I felt as this scene could have two different meanings. That Viktor leaving his humanity behind or that Sky never rlly was there. Sky being a projection of Viktor’s regret for her ever since she died.
The version of him has seen that violence will repeat itself over and over again if he doesn't interfere. His belief at that point is that the only way to stop senseless pain is to unify everyone including vander in his hivemind.
@@Lichtkrieger13 by... removing all their flaws and humanity and making them mindless followers? non-consentual too. and being very violent in the process
Writer Amanda Overton has confirmed that the Sky Viktor sees this season is an externalization of his own humanity, which he has subconsciously created for himself because he now feels so separated from other people but still desires to do good for them and to not be completely alone This episode the only way for him to survive is to destroy Vander's humanity and, in so doing, rid himself of the last vestiges of his own
Its good to see a reaction of a man to that beautiful showcase of love that isnt uncomfortableness or a "can we not" reaction. Anyways, what a marvelous scene, and they liberated all that tension and love in a similar context of when their first met, in a cell, with the same first shots of vi looking back at caitlyn in episode 5 of season 1 and everything 🥴🥰 It was so well done, way better than i expected
Tbf her sister did just dip heavily implying she's going to end herself moments before, though it's not out of character for Vi whatsoever so that's fine but that reaction is completely justifiable.
@@anitaremenarova6662In vis POV jinx seemed to be sad and was telling vi things that hold her back you have to remember that jinx has had mental problems since episode 4 and always act like she isn’t afraid to die and wants to so to vi and everyone else jinx is just a sad version of herself also vi can’t leave because war will happen the next day or 2 to look for her and she quite literally told her to enjoy herself for once that scene was her listening to jinx we know that jinx is likely going to try and kill herself but vi don’t have our knowledge so the scene makes sense and shouldn’t really have any problems unless you just don’t want to watch a sex scene
We don't know if Skye was actually Skye, or if she was a manifestation of his guilt, but either way, she definitely comes to represent his humanity and his compassion, so he's discarded that.
Yeah whether she was real or not, kind of became irrelevant but was a beautiful way to show how he was still trying hanging onto his humanity until he deemed that the problem to ending this cycle.
Your analysis is spot on. I wonder what would have happened if Jayce never blasted Viktor in the chest. As Viktor said to Singed, he wasn't willing to sacrifice Vander's humanity for 'the cause,' and (as you pointed out) he was letting people live their own lives with their own choices. But this outcome is still probably inevitable, namely due to Ambessa's involvement.
I feel like even if Jayce didn't try to prevent it, it was inevitable. If it wasn't going to be Ambessa, someone else would have eventually come along and did the same I imagine.
I bet the knowledge that she killed Caitlyn's mom must sit so strangely for Jinx now, after seeing Cait almost die trying to protect Jinx's own dad last episode... Also, I've seen some people complaining that Cait never actually apologizes out loud, but she and Jinx seem to have a similar idea about that. Sure, hearing it might be nice, but it doesn't undo what they did. Words can only go so far, so instead they apologize with their actions. And personally, I love that the final straw that makes Vi forgive Cait and become so overwhelmed with emotion she kinda jumps her is the realization that Cait broke the rules to free Jinx from prison, just like she did for Vi when they first met. Despite everything that's happened and changed, underneath it all Cait's still that same person who will take a risk and give a second chance to someone she has every reason to distrust or even despise She's still the same person Vi fell in love with
27:29 I definitely read it as he used the Hexcore to Conjure a version of Ms. Young to comfort him, even subconsciously. And as he leaves behind his humanity, he leaves behind the part of him that distinguishes between another and the self.
11:55 Mel isn't "touched by the Arcane" - her natural magic is just developing faster because the Arcane itself is active due to Viktor's actions. Edit: nevermind, I was wrong.
Using their words, that’s what they said in the show. They said she was "touched." Mages are from birth everyone else has to come into contact with it themselves.
@@steventomasi5557 I mean, most of her choices make no sense if you pay attention throughout the series. This is completely in character, as frustrating as it is.
the vi and cait scene was so cathartic (though i wasn’t looking for most of it, i felt like i was intruding on a personal moment 😭) they’re about to go to a big fight, they dont know if they’ll survive, after everything - it’s time to go out with a bang
Man I love that scene with Jayce, Mel, and the creature in the council room! That thing was just so fast and creepy, and then they defeated it in a satisfying way!
Vanders memories being taken away from him completely broke me. Can't wait to the see the video of the song that plays during that sequence which is coming out tomorrow, so I can sob all over again, probably.
This is a setup episode and while i overall think its well delivered i dont like how fast they gloss over Ishas death like she isnt mentioned once this episode we only see Jinxs reaction to it and Viktor does a full shift from empathetic pacifist leader to i will work with a genocidal maniac to get what i want in what feels like minutes like yeah hes in a bad situation but i just doesnt feel right with how fast it happens. Looking forward to your reaction to the finale Omni.
I’d say it makes sense for victor at least one he got healed without his permission and to he figured out that what stops humanity to evolve is how different our emotions ideas are so he sees everyone merging to one as the perfect solution and he literally tries to do it peacefully but knows that force could be necessary so asks for ambesas help when it was his only option I do think 10 extra minutes per episode would be good but the show is still peak as is it has never been a flawless show
I feel like Caitlyn is not having any concern for her junior officer or her feelings. she probably now knows that Caitlyn was using her to be a placeholder for Vi. We also never see Caitlyn talk to maddie or even mention a break up with her. Hopefully that won't have any repercussions.... *no spoilers*
It frustrates me that some folks seem to think that before Jayce blasted him, Viktor was doing something good. They seem not to understand that the end result was always glorious evolution, the only reason that he wasn't being aggressive about it was because of the last vestiges of Viktor's humanity, as personified in some way as that apparition of Skye, was still keeping the naturally consumptive impulse of the wild arcane power in check. The annihilation of individuality and free will is a bad thing; there is a difference between peace; and quiet. Viktor consumed and quieted all of the afflicted, it was a good thing for them as they were ravaged by various ailments, but at some point he would have been converting the unwilling and then we get the wasteland that Jayce saw. In other media the hivemind that seeks conformity of thought and action is written as purely malevolent and mechanical so people automatically rebel against it. This shows that if you literally just put a pretty face and vaguely nice words on something they will feed themselves to it. This is why I love Viktor's arc the most, I got to know him before the change so that I keep hoping he really is somehow good after the fusion. The moment we got that scene at the end of Act2, Ep5 where we see that he can just slide into Sallo's body with zero resistance, I knew the Viktor that we camae to know in season 1 was pretty much gone. His good intention was there, but the arcane was corrupting and co-opting that purpose to fullfill its innate impulses. I love the final symbolism of Viktor;s evolution is that the last visibly recognizable portion of his humanity, his face, split and peels away to show the final form. It is beautiful and terrible. Edit: The corrupted hammer does have very greataxe looking qualities. It also shows the change in Jayce from like contained and orderly to touched but the chaos of the Arcane. Again great art direct that tells a story all by itself. The automaton fight fight scene where it look at the hammer and we see astral Viktor given pause, is I think because he recognizes the like arcane signature as being very similar to his own, that is why it trips him up for a second. It is no longer purely hextech.
Did anyone else find the music choice for what happened to Viktor, Vander/Warwick and the rest of the commune kinda, tactless? Good song but not where I’d place it.
Bit of a miss for me that they have the Vi/Cait sex scene in a dirty jail cell moments after her sister ran away but hey ho, i'm sure shippers loved it. I did like Ambessa's conversation with Mel; when you find out there's a secret society of magic assholes controlling your country from the shadows you can either ignore it or do something about it. Really liked the last Viktor scene as well, Twenty-One Pilots cooked with that song.
I really liked the scene of Sky telling Viktor that he won't miss her. It says so much with so little.
I felt as this scene could have two different meanings. That Viktor leaving his humanity behind or that Sky never rlly was there. Sky being a projection of Viktor’s regret for her ever since she died.
Well Vi did say when they met "under city is going to eat you alive" to Kait and well she was right from a certain point of view
I read this in Obi-Wans voice!
Ayo?
ate her up good 😂
Ep. 6 Victor- "I will not sacrifice his humanity for your cause."
Ep. 8 Victor- Nevermind
Goodbye Vander...😭
The version of him has seen that violence will repeat itself over and over again if he doesn't interfere. His belief at that point is that the only way to stop senseless pain is to unify everyone including vander in his hivemind.
I found it interesting that of all the places he could have been shot, it was when Victor lost his heart that his outlook changed.
@@Lichtkrieger13 by... removing all their flaws and humanity and making them mindless followers? non-consentual too. and being very violent in the process
@@mathies3598yep! you got it!
Writer Amanda Overton has confirmed that the Sky Viktor sees this season is an externalization of his own humanity, which he has subconsciously created for himself because he now feels so separated from other people but still desires to do good for them and to not be completely alone
This episode the only way for him to survive is to destroy Vander's humanity and, in so doing, rid himself of the last vestiges of his own
"There's no good version of me."
Damn , that hits hard especially after the last episode.
Its good to see a reaction of a man to that beautiful showcase of love that isnt uncomfortableness or a "can we not" reaction.
Anyways, what a marvelous scene, and they liberated all that tension and love in a similar context of when their first met, in a cell, with the same first shots of vi looking back at caitlyn in episode 5 of season 1 and everything 🥴🥰
It was so well done, way better than i expected
Tbf her sister did just dip heavily implying she's going to end herself moments before, though it's not out of character for Vi whatsoever so that's fine but that reaction is completely justifiable.
@@anitaremenarova6662In vis POV jinx seemed to be sad and was telling vi things that hold her back you have to remember that jinx has had mental problems since episode 4 and always act like she isn’t afraid to die and wants to so to vi and everyone else jinx is just a sad version of herself also vi can’t leave because war will happen the next day or 2 to look for her and she quite literally told her to enjoy herself for once that scene was her listening to jinx we know that jinx is likely going to try and kill herself but vi don’t have our knowledge so the scene makes sense and shouldn’t really have any problems unless you just don’t want to watch a sex scene
We don't know if Skye was actually Skye, or if she was a manifestation of his guilt, but either way, she definitely comes to represent his humanity and his compassion, so he's discarded that.
Yeah whether she was real or not, kind of became irrelevant but was a beautiful way to show how he was still trying hanging onto his humanity until he deemed that the problem to ending this cycle.
Your analysis is spot on. I wonder what would have happened if Jayce never blasted Viktor in the chest. As Viktor said to Singed, he wasn't willing to sacrifice Vander's humanity for 'the cause,' and (as you pointed out) he was letting people live their own lives with their own choices. But this outcome is still probably inevitable, namely due to Ambessa's involvement.
I feel like even if Jayce didn't try to prevent it, it was inevitable. If it wasn't going to be Ambessa, someone else would have eventually come along and did the same I imagine.
I bet the knowledge that she killed Caitlyn's mom must sit so strangely for Jinx now, after seeing Cait almost die trying to protect Jinx's own dad last episode...
Also, I've seen some people complaining that Cait never actually apologizes out loud, but she and Jinx seem to have a similar idea about that. Sure, hearing it might be nice, but it doesn't undo what they did. Words can only go so far, so instead they apologize with their actions. And personally, I love that the final straw that makes Vi forgive Cait and become so overwhelmed with emotion she kinda jumps her is the realization that Cait broke the rules to free Jinx from prison, just like she did for Vi when they first met. Despite everything that's happened and changed, underneath it all Cait's still that same person who will take a risk and give a second chance to someone she has every reason to distrust or even despise
She's still the same person Vi fell in love with
27:29 I definitely read it as he used the Hexcore to Conjure a version of Ms. Young to comfort him, even subconsciously. And as he leaves behind his humanity, he leaves behind the part of him that distinguishes between another and the self.
Yeah, he fully embraces the solipsism of his worldview.
11:55
Mel isn't "touched by the Arcane" - her natural magic is just developing faster because the Arcane itself is active due to Viktor's actions.
Edit: nevermind, I was wrong.
Using their words, that’s what they said in the show. They said she was "touched." Mages are from birth everyone else has to come into contact with it themselves.
@@Omn1Media
That's true - I forgot for a moment there that the "Arcane" is basically just the magic of Runeterra in general.
Thanks for a reminder.
I'm glad someone understood the point of the sex scene.
I'm wondering why is Vi chowing down on her cupcake instead of stopping her sister from killing herself
@@steventomasi5557 Probably because she has no idea her sister is thinking about killing herself. She doesn't have the same information as the viewer.
@@steventomasi5557 I mean, most of her choices make no sense if you pay attention throughout the series. This is completely in character, as frustrating as it is.
@@Quantum_Penguin "There's no good version of me" "I'm ending the cycle" Uhhhh, sure bub.
@@steventomasi5557also jinx told her that she should be with cait
Vi and Cait just expressed all their feelings in the deepest way possible.
Between the legs
I teared up in every jinx scene and vander is completely gone 😢. Can I say tho that jinx looks beautiful with her hair down
King Princess really out here writing songs for both Cait x Vi AND Marcy x Princess Bubblegum - truly the queen (king) of animated queer women anthems
Automaton that attacked Jayce and Mel is the first guy that was healed by Victor, the guy from season 1 who betrays Vi and Cait.
You mean Huck the bartender?
@@MynicknameisViolet he is not a bartender
Man, huck went through his own arc like I felt bad for him
He truly got hucked over.
@ omg lol 😆
the vi and cait scene was so cathartic (though i wasn’t looking for most of it, i felt like i was intruding on a personal moment 😭)
they’re about to go to a big fight, they dont know if they’ll survive, after everything - it’s time to go out with a bang
Jinx being suicidal is so sad but really in character. Ever since her fight with Ekko 😢
jinx has litterally been suicidal the entire time safe for when she had isha
These last 3-2 Minutes HURT. Like we haven't suffered enough already in Act II with Vander now this! xD
Love your reactions and commentary!!
Man I love that scene with Jayce, Mel, and the creature in the council room! That thing was just so fast and creepy, and then they defeated it in a satisfying way!
My favorite characters were Heimerdinger and Vander and they killed Heimerdinger and erased Vander in back to back episodes! This show is pain!
episode 9 is coming
Something wicked this way comes~
Yay! Thanks, Omni! Such a wild ride!
Sesbian Lex, yippee!
yippee? 😏
Vanders memories being taken away from him completely broke me. Can't wait to the see the video of the song that plays during that sequence which is coming out tomorrow, so I can sob all over again, probably.
22:14 HAHAAHAHA HHAHAHHHA HHHAHAAAHAA ohh
This is a setup episode and while i overall think its well delivered i dont like how fast they gloss over Ishas death like she isnt mentioned once this episode we only see Jinxs reaction to it and Viktor does a full shift from empathetic pacifist leader to i will work with a genocidal maniac to get what i want in what feels like minutes like yeah hes in a bad situation but i just doesnt feel right with how fast it happens. Looking forward to your reaction to the finale Omni.
I’d say it makes sense for victor at least one he got healed without his permission and to he figured out that what stops humanity to evolve is how different our emotions ideas are so he sees everyone merging to one as the perfect solution and he literally tries to do it peacefully but knows that force could be necessary so asks for ambesas help when it was his only option I do think 10 extra minutes per episode would be good but the show is still peak as is it has never been a flawless show
Also I think they don’t mention isha because it is wound they don’t have enough time to heal yet
Also, Omni, I admire yours and many other reaction channels ability to commit to full series and editing challenges! Keep working hard!!!
Viktor’s transformation is SO COOL
"Keep wanting to call it an axe." In all fairness, this variation of the hammer is very axe like in it's visual aesthetic.
I feel like Caitlyn is not having any concern for her junior officer or her feelings. she probably now knows that Caitlyn was using her to be a placeholder for Vi. We also never see Caitlyn talk to maddie or even mention a break up with her. Hopefully that won't have any repercussions.... *no spoilers*
Those French animators knew exactly what they were doing. Probably from experience 😏😏😏
To be fair, his Arcane corrupted hammer has some axe like qualities
Vi got to eat her cupcake
It frustrates me that some folks seem to think that before Jayce blasted him, Viktor was doing something good.
They seem not to understand that the end result was always glorious evolution, the only reason that he wasn't being aggressive about it was because of the last vestiges of Viktor's humanity, as personified in some way as that apparition of Skye, was still keeping the naturally consumptive impulse of the wild arcane power in check. The annihilation of individuality and free will is a bad thing; there is a difference between peace; and quiet. Viktor consumed and quieted all of the afflicted, it was a good thing for them as they were ravaged by various ailments, but at some point he would have been converting the unwilling and then we get the wasteland that Jayce saw.
In other media the hivemind that seeks conformity of thought and action is written as purely malevolent and mechanical so people automatically rebel against it. This shows that if you literally just put a pretty face and vaguely nice words on something they will feed themselves to it. This is why I love Viktor's arc the most, I got to know him before the change so that I keep hoping he really is somehow good after the fusion. The moment we got that scene at the end of Act2, Ep5 where we see that he can just slide into Sallo's body with zero resistance, I knew the Viktor that we camae to know in season 1 was pretty much gone. His good intention was there, but the arcane was corrupting and co-opting that purpose to fullfill its innate impulses.
I love the final symbolism of Viktor;s evolution is that the last visibly recognizable portion of his humanity, his face, split and peels away to show the final form. It is beautiful and terrible.
Edit: The corrupted hammer does have very greataxe looking qualities. It also shows the change in Jayce from like contained and orderly to touched but the chaos of the Arcane. Again great art direct that tells a story all by itself. The automaton fight fight scene where it look at the hammer and we see astral Viktor given pause, is I think because he recognizes the like arcane signature as being very similar to his own, that is why it trips him up for a second. It is no longer purely hextech.
Excited for you to watch the finale ❤
Viktor VGU incoming
This show was so much to take in that I need to go to therapy...
Ight imma head out...
oh im early EARLY this time, heck yeah excited to see this reaction!
apparently, the cait vi was much much longer but they needed to cut out parts of it in order to keep the PG rating... make of that what you will
Yep, Jinx completely give up at this time
Did anyone else find the music choice for what happened to Viktor, Vander/Warwick and the rest of the commune kinda, tactless?
Good song but not where I’d place it.
Man , do you like the WWE? I would love to see your reactions to RAW and Smackdown
Do a flip next ep
nah jayce pushed viktor to turn into this, he wasnt gonna go this far but because of jayce he now believes this is the only way
That's what I said lol
Bit of a miss for me that they have the Vi/Cait sex scene in a dirty jail cell moments after her sister ran away but hey ho, i'm sure shippers loved it. I did like Ambessa's conversation with Mel; when you find out there's a secret society of magic assholes controlling your country from the shadows you can either ignore it or do something about it. Really liked the last Viktor scene as well, Twenty-One Pilots cooked with that song.
Hey now, Vi is the female Jayce all she does are bad decisions lol
It felt unexpected def, but who knows how long VI was in the cell?
So much homophobia