Splatoon 3 is pretty much a reboot. What I mean by this is the old team that worked on 1 & 2 are long gone thus all the new developers are still learning how to improve the games. You can look this up on the game credits.
So. Multiplayer IS HARD to implement. And nintendo don't have a lot of exp with doing that. Remember the first time they even tried to do something with online services?? They asked hatena to do that for them. But nintendo have a lot of money so Im sure that they can fix everything pretty easy. They just lazy or something. Net code is hard. That's all just mine opinion tho.
@@sobinec For real. I dislike playing multiplayer bc of how way off unbalanced it is. I'm pretty sure it's why they hide user level numbers. Nintendo is usually like "hmm... let's take this competitive Splatoon team... and mix it with a relatively new user group... it will be fun for everyone!"
@@mrbeaks 1: rare update 2: updates that set 8 weapon OP (just play 3 match and you see the same team, over and over again 🙄) 3: low connection and the server kick you (and ban you 😂) 4: if you have a super connection, well the server will do his best to kill you 😂, you are hiding behind a wall ? Nope the other team see you 1s before that 🤣 5: ranked system based on farming (without talking about salmon-run) Bonus: the rng 😂 i spend over 3 000 000 coins trying to have a silver loot from the shell-out machine without success, and some guys got 3 golden shell 👀
What servers? It's just the consoles talking to each other, there’s no server connection. One console is the 'host', and the other consoles connect to the host.
Personally the thing that annoys me the most is the fact that the rank system is completely different and most of the time you will see low rank players going up against S + and X rank so much to the point that you can't even enjoy the game
Makes no sense why they even allow low rank players to be matched with X players in the first place. I don't get why they've hidden people's ranks in the lobby too.
No new - permanent - modes is a massive dealbreaker for me… I also thought we’d have more music by now, besides all this they could’ve dropped the DLC sooner to bring back more players who don’t want to pay £20 for NSO and everyday disconnections
@animal1nstinct394 That's absurd. God, I hope Nintendo doesn't milk the Splatoon franchise to death like how the other triple AAA companies are doing it. Also, Hisashi Nogami (the producer of Splatoon) confirmed that Splatoon 3 will be the last Splatoon game of inklings vs octarians saga.
For map design specifically, I’ve kept thinking to myself: I feel like Nintendo should go back to how they made maps in Splatoon 1 where they just slapped on some random stuff and see if it works. It did. Good maps like Mahi-Mahi Resort, Ancho-V Games, and Urchin Underpass, which had a stage renovation. In Splatoon 2, they wanted to force fights more, which is taking some of the alternative routes away, but didn’t do it too much. In S3, they went overboard in forcing fights. Now there is a heavy lack of flanks and side routes, as previously stated. And the new original maps that are added every season have the similar layout every time.
Nintendo lost it's touch with splatoon. Splatoon 2 was practically all-around and it was truly the golden for Splatoon. We got to use all of the features that were in the previous story mode in 1 and use our creativity to our advantage to ambush. But splatoon 3 by far is the worse game out of thr two, and the fact that they abandoned acnh just to work on 3 which splatoon 3 also got infected by the acnh virus it's not that surprising.
I've felt similarly this way for YEARS. Splatoon's maps had a lot of character to them from their layouts to their features. Camp Triggerfish's unique layout of each team's path leading directly to the "enemy's" path. Moray Tower's extreme, tall, and very different layout made me love it a lot (although I'm aware it's hated). Arowana Mall had a lot of tall side paths which were fun. Walleye Warehouse was quite open. Blackbelly Skatepark had a lot of slants and that iconic middle "tower". Bluefin Depot's middle having two different sections. Saltspray Rig having horizontal spawnpoints which instantly made the map very different than others. Hammerhead Bridge had a fun middle layout with many spots to fight in, grates, and the middle high grounds. Kelp Dome's above grate paths. Flounder Heights was very tall and many climbable walls (not just inkable). Many maps also had moving parts which soared the potential for Splatoon maps by a lot. Mahi-Mahi Resort's layout changes somewhat before one minute left. Piranha Pit, although absolutely terrible, had those moving conveyor belts. As basic as Port Mackerel is it had those moving Forklifts that you could climb. Museum D'Alfonsino with those rotating structures. Ancho-V Games had the first ever single player feature in a map, those propellor lifts. Saltspray Rig had those useless elevators and a funny little secret all the way in the back, which was a small moving platform being held up by a crane. Most of these maps were very flawed with spawn camping issues, unfun choke points, very hard to regain the middle of some maps, getting stuck in your base or your side. Splatoon 2 could've expanded on these map features and layouts and fixed the main flaws but it didn't. The only flaw they fixed was that most maps you couldn't enter the enemy's base so you couldn't spawn camp them. Most walls were ink resistant and there were less walls that you could actually the climb to the top of. The first map in the game, The Reef, had almost no walls that you could actually climb to the top of. Only two new maps had moving features, Sturgeon Shipyard and Wahoo World (correct me if I'm wrong). Some other maps had good ideas like Shellendorf Institute with its ink resistant top paths, Snapper Canal's layout that we've never seen before, but they were executed poorly. These maps were less fun had the same problems coke points, hard to regain middle control, being stuck in your base or on your side, or were just annoying to play on. Splatoon 2 did have Shifty Station though and despite those having many flaws because of how fast they were made, they were a ton of fun. Very unique maps, many use of single player features, and had moving parts. I thought FOR SURE the next game would take inspiration from those maps. Splatoon 3's lack of map designers really shows. We all know by now how awful and boring these maps are and I'm just very disappointed with this game entirely. I thought Barnacle & Dime could make somewhat of a comeback with basic design because it's fun in Turf War and has that third path "flank route" but Ranked just nukes half of that route for most modes making it very useless.
Splatoon 3 is like the Street Fighter 5, and Plus, they made the leveling system where you have to grind more like a snail's paste unless you sacrifice your tickets
Catalogs feel like chores with how long they take at this point. I’m just going to say it, and that’s the whole reason why I’m im falling out of style with this game. Catalogs were the only reason I really kept going, and it’s kinda upsetting how much I love this game. Along with this game’s hero mode which made me think I was genuinely going insane when playing, so many more questions and so many unresolved answers and it’s driving me NUTS. And with the fact that 3 is the last game continuing the story of Octavio and cuttlefish we’ll never get anything else resolved and I’m going to tear my hair out, NINTENDO PLEASE WHY DO YOU KEEP GIVNG US COOL THINGS AND NEVER DOING ANYTHING ELSE WITH WITH THEM -?! I agree with everything you said, I just wish Nintendo made everything less punishing and more clear,,
The story ending really grinds my gears because the Octarians (not Octolings) never got a proper ending either. There were certain interesting elements to their story that actually made them sympathetic at a second glance, but S3 just puts all the build-up they and Octavio had in the trash, and we'll never see them again. Truth be told, I feel bad for the guys. I certainly got invested for 7 years and got nothing.
@@grogg4372 I agree SO MUCH with this statement. Literally so much genocide and brainwashing was committed on Octavio’s soldiers by TarTar and Grizz and US and APPARENTLY we’re NOT GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE REPERCUSSIONS? No sending message from Octavio that he’ll try to fix things? NOTHING BUILT UP ON OCTAVIO’S RELATIONSHIP WITH CUTTLEFISH AFTER BEING DEHYDRATED-? Dude S3 would’ve been so much more interesting if Octavio was grabbed by grizz instead of cuttlefish, that would’ve been a real genuine threat having to fight off a brainwashed Octarian GENERAL and might even dive on how cuttlefish may or may not still care for his ex-friend dispite everything! It would’ve slightly build upon the story about the two people THAT LITERALLY CAUSED HALF OF THE ENTIRETY OF SPLATOON and Apparently not. I feel you dude, 7 years of cool lore all gone! I SPEEDRAN splatoon 3’s campaign the moment the game came out and it was like 11 at midnight and I genuinely couldn’t comprehend what was going on, I actually thought I was hallucinating on lack of sleep.
Exactly, alterna as a setting was really cool imo, but alterna as a story arc seemed kinda rushed, and I wish that nogami's team could've taken as much time as they needed.
Another thing that's great about Splatoon: How the dialogue shows the character's personalities, likes, dislikes, relationships with other characters, relationships with enviroment, relationship with events, relationship with players, etc. Basically, Splatoon 3 dialogue is on ANOTHER LEVEL. Even in my video, "My 3 favorite lines of dialogue" Where I only do one for each game, I mention how Splatoon 3 is the best for dialogue. My biggest hopes for Side Order is dialogue that brings Splatoon 3's dialogue even higher.
I hope the Octoling in Side Order gets to talk or at least show a personality. I personally don't like how people see Agent 4 because for me it's too out of character, if you read the bio on Inkopedia it says their silent but people make them seem loud, stupid, & annoying. If the Octoling doesn't talk (which they most likely won't) I just wanna see their personality, like some traumatic memories would be good enough because it would show they've had a traumatic past. I know Nintendo doesn't want them to talk probably because it wouldn't match the player but I honestly don't care if it does or doesn't.
@@ImNiceDw It's funny how when you think about it, most of the common fandom personalities for the Agents go against the few bits of canon information we've gotten, 4 as you've said, but OG 3 is hardly as edgy and cold as people love to make them. Splat 3 actually makes them pretty goofy and dramatic but also supportive towards Neo 3 and it's a shame people like to parrot them as basically hating everybody except 8 because shipping.
Ehh tbh the dialogue in splatoon 3 is kinda eh The characters in the story say or do next to nothing important ESPECIALLY the squid sisters who really don’t have any reason to be here And I feel the other games (mainly 2) did a better job establishing the characters I mean it took until the most recent update for deep cut to get unique lines for each map during the news
Number one is true for sure but also I don't play splatoon to be competitive, I play for fun. Fun is dampened for a lot of players when you're getting rinsed by better players constantly
I do wish there were more flank options and at I at least give nintendo props for some maps where you can't camp spawn-wish that was all of em Edited for clarification
Yep, same for me. I play casually but often end up with my character getting splatted by those of competitive players -and those who play using Pro Controllers- _(edit 2: invalidated, check replies)_ , leaving me to play 'competitively' while still playing casually. One thing I figured out is that I could set a custom button mapping that swaps the Y and B buttons, allowing me to play more comfortably using a Joy-Con pair. Edit: what I mentioned applies to when I play PvP modes, not Salmon Run.
it wouldn't be so bad if there was a large enough pool of casual players to mingle amongst each other, but with how bad the netcode issues and other problems are in splatoon 3, the active playerbase is too tiny to prevent casuals and hardcore players getting put in the same match
With the map designs and more aggressive specials, there’s really no such thing as playing casual anymore due to how you’re funnelled into the centre of the map and forced to fight constantly.
The fact Nintendo never has any interactions with the community is also part of the reason the game is dying They really want to make this a valid esports, but how are they if they’re not going to be receptive to feedback?
Nintendo don't care enough for this to be an esport, the tournaments they host have terrible rewards and clearly the online they made isnt made for games to have a competitive environment. Guess its a learning experience for them? lol
I'm pretty sure that nintendo is almost anti-competitive nintendo wants to make games for a casual audience. It feels like they actively remove feature that make games more competitive so that they're more accessible to a wider audience, just look at the transition from Smash Melee to Smash Brawl. However what they fail to realize is that removing said features or otherwise designing more casual elements over the competitive ones it makes the already dedicated player base start to lose interest
@@Animonkeysmash isn't designed by Nintendo and with Splatoon3 they are introducing a Tournament mode that seems to be really good within this month or the next. They already announced It.
Fr the Twitter account is so dead now, even the JP one. The main artist for the game barely even draws anything anymore. I really miss the "research lab" style of posts.
I find that it's not the first player who is the host, but rather the player with the best general connection. I have a fast wired internet connection and become the host a lot because of it (I can tell because clams collect faster in Clam Blitz if you're the host), but not having dedicated servers is still unacceptable.
i think the most basic feature missing is more communication in a game that rewards based off of team performance. "this way" is so ambiguous, but damn would it hurt to add 2 extra Dpad options such as "be careful" or "push!!"? coming from someone who prefers playing solo
I also would love to complete older catalogs. My schedule doesn’t allow me the time to finish a catalog a season. Like stacking catalogs so you can do that oldest one first and the newer one gets put at the end. This would also benefit people who don’t have constant access to a online membership or enough time to put into splat3
Honestly they kinda fixed that issue with the RANDOM gachapon system they have in the lobby area (in terms of emotes and banners). But I didn’t like that fix because it was so random. I say a way to fix it would be to choose which catalog to work with at any time. We wouldn’t lose access to the catalog rewards and would allow later players to get items that were exclusive before.
games from the last millennium had objectively better netcode than S3 / NSO can provide, "Unreal", a game from 1998 had a tickrate of 30, and could be set to as high as 90, while also using dedicated servers and lag compensation- the fact that a game 24 years later has none of these features speaks to the lack of care or knowledge on the team, it severely affects the playability and fairness of the game
My gripes with Splatoon 3 - Nintendo online is required for turf wars and salmon run. I wasn't able to play it for such a long time because I turned 18 and my card got canceled. Over a year later and I had to get my mom to pay for it to play again. - The weapons don't cost cash, making it significantly harder to try new weapons because it's easy waste the licenses which are hard to get. I'm just bad at turf wars which is why this is a problem for me. - There's no area around the place you spawn that keeps invulnerable to enemy attacks, which means you'll just die over and over again once they reach your spawn and camp there. This also can make people not want to play the game anymore as a result of it.
the second one is a BIG thing that competitive players don't realise. Most of the time we don't want to play weapons we don't like before being able to enjoy new weapons released in the seasonal updates. It takes like hundreds of hours to unlock every weapon, whereas in Splatoon 1 and 2 it was really easy with how abundant cash was so you could easily try out a bunch of weapons all at once to see what your favourites are.
There is at least one inaccesible area in your spawn in every single map (except umami ruins (for some reason) and hammerhead bridge, that has two of them but are almost useless.) So the spawn camping isn't as annoying as it was in splatoon 1 & 2
I'd like to add that (likely because the playerbase is so small right now) any new player is going to constantly get stomped on even in regular turf war, meaning that new player has to be okay with alternating between getting spawncamped and hard carried pretty much every match for quite a while. Even if you don't play to win, that's still not fun.
Being spawncamped seems like it's so much more of a problem in S3 compared to S1. In Splatoon 1 you at least were able to shoot in your spawn, in Splatoon 3 you're just in the air and can't do anything. The spawn armour doesn't work when it easily gets destroyed by Crab/zooka lmao
Bought the game for Christmas, can confirm, there were a few rounds where i couldn't even make it past the launch area because i was getting camped left and right, and its discouraging to say the least because i *want* to have fun, i *want* to enjoy the game but its frustrating seeing how huge of a gap there is in skill in TURF WARS, i dont even want to see what its like in ranked
In my opinion its dying to the casuals like myself that dont get content for 3 months until the next season. But for comp players not so much since the have patches and the meta to look foward to.
I love Splatoon and it just hurts seeing Nintendo and the developers making bad decision after bad decision. They can make the servers better and they just don’t. It’s really frustrating
@@M64bros Quite frankly, yes. I don't work in game design but I do work in software design and I'm sure the translation between publisher(Nintendo)/client to developers works about the same. Aka, High level of requirements such as the game needs X and Y but can't have Z comes from Nintendo. A project manager / lead game designer/ lead game developer offers some input to help clarify requirements and expectations and approve ideas and makes sure the game stays on track for release/content updates. Developers get the requirements and come up with ideas to make the game function and achieve goals they were tasked with. For example, Nintendo probably said hey there needs to be an online PvP game mode. Lead Designer and Lead Developer probably said cool we'll have these game modes from Splatoon 2 and will need some sort of matchmaking update. Developers probably worked on making the game modes and came up with the actual way the the game does matchmaking. After that, they probably showed it to the lead designer. Lead designer says cool this works and gives it the rubber stamp. The lead designer and developer then probably has some meeting with Nintendo exec staff and says hey we just finished up Multiplayer. Here's a local demo in the office. It'll match people of similar skill and will have these game modes. Boom Nintendo exec signs off. Of course this example skips a lot of the detail but this is the typical process in software development in general. Rinse and repeat until release until we get the game as the end user. Of course the developers could have been given awful requirements but 9 times out of 10 when something in the software isn't working right or there are bugs that the end user catches then it's up to the developers to fix it or at least attempt to and usually they have even more freedom post launch depending on the severity of the issue to get things in a working state. This is why you see such a massive difference between updates for PvP vs Salmon Run. Players complain in Salmon Run and we get some kind of fix (egg lag, FPS drops, eggstrawork freelance lobbies). They may not be perfect but at least they tackle the issue in a meaningful way. Meanwhile in PvP, a whole year later were still talking about the same issues we were after the game launched with little updates on even just a status of changes minus them adding a few poles on a handful of maps. Like even if they just said no we don't want to update the maps to make them more open or updates to improve the matchmaking system would take a considerable amount of time to straighten everything, that would be way better than the radio silence we've had for a year
It's actually even worse, there are legitimately no servers when playing in a match. The gameplay is all peer-to-peer connection (which is why it's so bad). The game's servers only handle matchmaking.
@@galaxykirby18 Stupid lag thingies! God, I hope Nintendo doesn't milk the Splatoon franchise to death like how the other triple AAA companies are doing it.
Nintendo is the king of taking one step forward and 500 steps back. I've never seen a company with such questionable decision choices. The problem is, they make really great games, they're just so out of touch on everything else.
def the maps they limit variability and honestly create a snowball effect. they affect the meta- which weapons can work best on these linear stages, which affects the match making- these same weapons pool into lobbies and if they arent matched with each other theyre matches with people who arent equipped to go against them, which lead to these nonlinear battles. Splatton 2 still had alot of these weapons, and specials, but because the maps were so much better we had none of these issues
I love the tone you carried and how organized your information is. You don't come off as angry or a hater but simply as a player criticizing a game that they want to see grow. Additionally the optimism you carry at the end was a good touch and I relate to it a lot. Splatoon 3 has potential and there is still time to improve and grow. It's just a matter of if people can wait and if Nintendo is willing to act. I love this video so, so much! It brings helpful discussion and lays out the problems that atleast one person can speak about. Outstanding video ❤
monster hunter rise uses NPLN too, the game started using it before s3 even launched, but in my time playing online in mhrise i have had less connection issues than i had playing splatoon
@@dd0669 honestly, like little to no connection issues when i play with my australian friend on rise but when it comes to s3, unstable connection every 5 seconds and youre lucky if you dont get booted
Big reason I stopped playing: the catalogues. It started simply enough: just play once a day every day and win one turf war (or Salmon Run shift if you like that better, though it can be harder to win). Play a little more during Splatfest. Profit. That all changed when I wanted to devote time and energy to other games or activities aside from Splatoon. Suddenly I had a sense of FOMO creep in, and I was (and still am) really upset about it. At this point I've determined that, as much as I really want the new gear, I'm just not going to get it. I sort of just said, "screw the FOMO" and did my thing. But I can't tell you how upset it makes me that this series used to have some awesome free gear drops and now it just... doesn't. I've already put in the hours. Don't make me put in more unless I want to. And trust me-- if you give me the freedom to do so, I'll want to. It's like asking for more money at this point, and I hate it. Sorry for the long rant, I just really needed to get that off my chest.
Dude the map layouts are brutal and the matchmaking for weapons is pain. I hate going in as a back line and getting an entire team of backlines back to back and going "hmm maybe i should switch" then i go more agressive and suddenly everyone else is too and there are no backlines. Like i swear this happens every time. Also the really simple things like no new game modes and the small amount of weapons (one of the new classes literally only has two weapons total). I hate what they did to poor mahi
Nice vid. Something to add as a casual player: - The grinding for everything that you haven't mentioned (there's lots). Sometimes the grind feels like working at a factory in Vietnam for below minimum wage. Missed a few days playing? Back to the catalog conveyor belt you go. The 4387564876473 exp ticket you got from the gunch machine don't do anything for the catalog btw. The catalog gets a special mention because it just ends up burning you out. You want to play for fun but the game turns into a chore from the get-go. - Lots of new players fall off before reaching level 10 because the matchmaking in Turf is so bad that it sometimes feels like the game is trying to punish you via macabre flagellation. There's no weapon or level matchmaking to speak of, I know that Glicko exists but honesty most people aren't going to bother with thins knowledge because the matchmaking still sucks. Couple having to play extremely aggro against people who play the game all day every day with maps that are only build like meat grinders and you get pesticide for all but the most invested. Open Anarchy is a "bully a child" simulator for sore losers who got their ass handed to them by a streamer in S+. - The casual-to-competitive imbalance has caused the community to spiral massively. A community for an online game is incredibly important, and the Splatoon playerbase used to be very welcoming and fun, now you see newcomers get bullied on the Reddit sub for complaining about getting matched against advanced players in their first 10 games. I used to follow a lot of Splat community content, now the expectations for everybody are high and casuals feel like they have no voice in the matter. - As a Turf lover the game feels like it lost the series' unique identity. S2 was already on crutches when it came to creative maps, S3 is either tetris meatgrinders or ports of S2 stages with half the shadows, light and vfx missing. Ink is just a way to get around faster or get up a small ledge, rolling is nice but there's only so much you can do here. - Challenges. Wow 50 people can play this, how nice. There are a lot of things in this game that feel expressly designed to deter as many players as possible. Honestly, S3 feels like a social experiment whose main goal is to analyze and test out as much out-there stuff as possible because they can get away with it due to how immensely popular the IP is. S3 and its successors are going to live long since the series is just too solid, but it is exactly the reason why the developers have stagnated.
As someone who's been playing the series since the first, 2,000 hours in Splatoon 2 alone, I'm shocked to say Splatoon 3 is the game that made me turn a blind eye against the series as a whole. I'll only be playing again once Side Order drops and only for that reason. The story is honestly the only reason I give Splatoon much of a thought now. Stopped playing after the Zelda Splatfest.
@@yokolighwanSAME. I feel like a lot of the comp players really enjoy this game whilst the people that played a lot but aren't in competitive (I had 1,750 hours in S2) are not enjoying it at all.
@@samzyyx wow you guys! I only have around 250 hours in 2 because I'm very busy but that game was like a drug to me. The divide between comp and casual players is bigger than ever. Doesn't help that there are no dedicated casual content creators like the comp scene has, at least nobody as popular. I see casuals get shunned like heretics in the current community, when I say they don't have a say in the matter I really mean it. Sad to see so many people fall off.
My only issue is the matchmaking. DC's? Whatever. They can be funny. The maps? Help me a lot! Im a front-liner, but its so much easier to keep track of everything and not get overstimulated and overwhelmed by being anxious 24/7 by not knowing where everyone is. However, the matchmaking is so unbearably terrible that i will be the MVP of my team, all gold metals, K/D ratio, carrying them the ENTIRE match, only for me to die ONCE and all of a sudden the other team knocks out/takes over map control and i cant do anything about it because my teammates have a K/D ratio of 2/10. Im an S+ player. This should not be happening.
all of these are good points. For me, personally, it's the catalogue. I have been maxing out two catalogues since Splatoon 3's release. My own and my brother's, since he gets too busy with work to really level it out. With how slow that bar fills up, even when you win, just feels like you aren't really making progress at all, like spending half a day for four levels in the catalogue in ridiculous, and maxing out TWO in three months just fuels burnout. I get that battle passes are the "thing" right now, but ffs just let people access the content whenever they want and not hide it behind guaranteed limited availability (as in you will 100% get it, but only during the season before you have to rely on random chance). It's unfair, time consuming, and kinda boring tbh... Not to mention that you'll get "teammates" every once in a while who do nothing to contribute to the match :/
That’s one thing I don’t understand for me the catalog levels I blitz through them almost in 1 or 2 days and then I’m just stuck with all this the second catalogs and third and fourth’s for the rest of the season so it gets boring. I think they should make it harder so you have to win more and get more xp to level up instead of it being so easy but that’s my opinion
Yeah I agree. I already maxed out this seasons catalog, I’m on the second one, level 50, to be exact but I wish they just gave us new shell out things than I stupid mystery box each 10 levels. Maybe it’s my fault for maxing out the catalog, but I wish there were exclusive tokens you got for leveling up catalog after you maxed it out.
@@splatoonsheldon226 appreciate the energy but you missed my point. I max out two catalogues, both are the first one which means there is a reward in every level. While you can blast through that, not everyone can and for me it takes over a month. As I said in my first comment, I usually spend half a day grinding for four levels, which just,,,, isn't good game design. Wanting to make it harder would just make it more time consuming and that is literally the exact opposite of what I was talking about. What they need to do is make that bar fill up faster and when you max it out give shell out tokens or better yet, salmon run scales! Literally anything but another catalog
@@-pavethewayforrenee-1155 ohhh I get what you are saying now I completely agree making it what you said fill quicker with better rewards in second and third catalogues would give more motivation to complete it and would be easier and better rather than it getting slept on. I think salmon scales, shell out machine tokens would be good maybe even ability chunks. I think that would also work for players like me because I’m level 135 or 6 and I’m blitzed the Catalog quickly and I’m now on the 3rd maybe fourth so that would work really well
@@splatoonsheldon226 yea! Even ability chuncjs because right now you can only get them from either random chance (tickets)or salmon run rewards. Honestly anything is better than the mystery box every ten levels 😔
What about Turf War being the most painful mode in this game? That's also important. You know, it's fine if one is a good player. Can't blame them for that. But many people play in Turf War like their life depends on it. And I often see top ranked battle or even top X battle players in Turf War, playing like their about to win a prize or something, in a supposedly casual game mode. That's honestly the biggest turn off for me. It surprises me that almost no one talks about that.
@eonstar One could still try to hold back a little. And don't get me wrong, I'm not expecting a win out of every battle. That would be boring. But is it too much to ask to not play like one is on a tournament or something? And that on... EVERY. SINGLE. MATCH! It's people like these, that ruin the fun in Turf War! Of course, this won't ruin the game as a whole, but it's still really annoying.
tbh I have maybe played turf war a total of 3 times (not including splat fest) now that there is a casual ranked mode Im surprised more people don't use that to sweat in. Let the turf war peeps be
As weird as this might sound, the fact that you *can't* rank down is one of the reasons i've been holding off on trying ranked: if i happen to reach a rank i'm not actually ready for, i'd be stuck facing loss after loss as i keep getting destroyed by players *much* more skilled than i am(and i already have self-esteem issues)
Great video. Leading up to Splatoon 3, my entire friend group and some other creators I play with were SO excited for the game's release. The test fire preview event was super fun, and everything about the game looked great. But it's reason #2, the netcode, that everyone I know stopped playing pretty quickly. CONSTANT disconnects at launch. They did a lot to fix that issue, so there was hope. But the more everyone played, the more we realized bad netcode, sketchy p2p connections, and a tick rate slower than Splatoon 1 (yep, S1 had a higher tick rate!) were issues we saw in nearly every single match. I had real ambition to put a team together and be a part of this game's community for the 2 years the game would be supported, but me and everyone I know stopped investing time into the game once we realized the network issues were everywhere and not going to be fixed. S3 was one of the most disappointed gaming experiences, and I just hope we get a truly good game in this series from Nintendo at some point.
I do understand why Nintendo doesn’t add actual servers. But I don’t understand why Nintendo doesn’t just add a lot of highly requested features like more kits or custom game mode options for Private Battles. Basically things that modders could add in mere hours or days. There are so many ways to add a lot of fun content while not having to sacrifice a lot of resources.
One thing that I think is missed, at least around 1:46, is that the high grind rates don’t just deter NEW players from playing - they can even burn out OLD players from playing, like they did for me.
I wish they had the option to play the ranked modes as...well unranked, you know a casual Tower, a casual Rainmaker, etc etc, it feels bleh when I'm not in the mood for ranked and just wanna play casually but my casual option is Turf War which can be more annoying than some ranked modes even. I also wish Challenges was a permanent game mode that maybe just rotated what the challenge was instead of appearing for like 2 days when everyone is asleep or at work/school then disappearing to who knows where for a week or two before reappearing again while everyone is asleep or busy like really...
Wow, someone who finally managed to keep my attention with an abundance of factual presentation and lack of non-related nonsense which is definitely uncommon for ten minute videos on this platform. Kudos and here’s a subscriber ✌️
If the dev team was even slightly competent and aware, we would have gotten at least a few of these issues addressed by now. It's been almost a year, and nothing has happened.
I think a missed opportunity would be some kind of Team Free for All lobbies, where the game lasts indefinitely and where you can join and leave and have your fun (something like diep io 2 teams mode)
I was the squeezer in one of your clips.I agree that they should have made x rank s+10 I’ve had a lot of matches where some people just look like they are throwing but they are generally trying their best they’re just being matched with 2000-2200 people when they might be 1800 I don’t really think it’s fair on them. That’s especially why I always thought league battle SHOULD have made a comeback because I’m a competitive player and I understand how frustrating it can be to go into open and just get a whole team just sweating their absolute balls off against casual player it’s demotivating. That’s why I thought league battles could be for sweats and open for more fun casual play but instead we got challenge battles which is another story in itself
I didn't think so many others agreed. This whole time I Ive been wanting to say that the third game just hasn't been hitting the same as it used to, but I was worried maybe it was just me or that so many people would attack me for it...thinking about it now, the new maps have been killing my interest a lot, I miss the chaotic freedom and gorilla warfare style play we used to have. I love splatoon and always have since 1, but this time something about it just ain't it.
Gonna be honest, I think another big reason as of why the game is falling off is cause it gets so repetitive so quickly. I'm honestly surprised that some of my comp splatty friends still play the game regularly cause its just gotten so boring and stale for me. At this point I'm just waiting for the dlc to drop or for Nintendo to release a new weapon that I wanna try out.
@@shame2189 I totally agree. Waiting 3 months just for like 5 weapons isn't worth it. They should've done what they did with the splatoon 1 and 2 weapons and drop a new one each week.
@@pitchercheer7638I think what made Splatoon 2's updates work is that content dropped each week, then a MASSIVE update launched each month, larger than any of Splatoon 3 updates. Splatoon 2 also had way more balance adjustments, buffs and nerfs which although they could be drastic, imo they helped keep the game fresh and allowed the meta to be distinct from one another. Triple Splash in S3 lasted for like 6 months and multiple updates and Splash is still not 210p. enjoying Splatoon 3's new weapons and content is also very difficult for casual players unless you invest a lot of time into the game because of how long it takes to get a sheldon license, forces you to play weapons you don't like first to enjoy the new content
Somehow, I just stopped because my shyness increased in splatoon 3. In splatoon 2 I was always having the cool personality and now I don't wanna join a friend's private battle. I miss the time when I was always glitching with my friends-
Halfway through chill season I just took a massive break. And I barely played fresh season. I guess I was just super busy at that time but even with the extra time I had I just didn’t play. I’m only starting to play and grind a bunch in sizzle season, but even then, I still missed out on a lot
I agree grinding to level ten can be hard if your a fresh new player and not just the matchmaking in X rank is bad the matchmaking in turf war and anarchy open are really janky. The whole you have to work all the way to level ten to get to ranked shows why people think that turf war is the ONLY mode in splatoon it’s really sad but i really saw splat three dying because of all of these reasons when the game came out…
When I think about this I think about Splatoon’s successful launch on the Wii U, better map design, collaborations, better servers (for its time); Was something that made the game refreshing and never stale when new weapons/maps/splatfests came out, but ever since Nintendo started making Splatoon to be competitive heavy, the game became one sided for Competitive players, forgetting about the other audience, giving For Fun players nothing to do. I think Challenge mode is really fun but only lasting for a few hours just sucks, cause most people are busy with other things to participate.
Another big thing thats dropping off old players right now is factors outside of the game itself. MANY of the players of Splatoon are artists and creators, drawn to the game because of its funky and off-the-beaten-path style! unfortunately, since the economy is suffering, many players cant find time to play around how overworked they are. I pop in for about an hour during events and thats pretty much it these days, just because FOMO is exhausting- and so is work. If my silly funny video game feels more like work than my *actual work*, i dont want to play it. the sheer amount of time and effort that has to be put in to "get your dailies" is stupid. if i cant get set up, get all my daily stuff, and move on to having fun in 3 minutes or less? i have no desire to devote the one hour of video game time i have in an average day to playing splatoon and nothing but.
As an adult, $20 a year for online gaming entertainment is very convenient. Nothing beats free, but if I did have to pay, this is on the cheaper end for a yearly service that I have ever seen. Xbox and Playstation charge $60 minimum. And I bet most adults spend $15 to $20+ daily on food alone, whether to feed themselves or their family Im not complaining about the price at all. Could the online service be better? Of course it can. Maybe its just the switch hardware and software starting to be outdated compared to industry standard, aswell as the lack of dedicated servers, which I heard costs a fortune to set up and keep running. Shouldnt be a problem for Nintendo I suppose.
First im going to talk about the bad things about this game (some of it is only my opinion by my experiences with the game) One thing that got worse from Splatoon 2 is that you can't stay in the home menu while waiting for matches or in spectator mode because in Splatoon 3 it disconnects you after around 10 seconds which with people not being able to join private battles while in a match (which got changed with the last update), the poor netcode and people disconnecting before the start causing a lobby crash made them literally unplayable. Also the things you said like the terrible maps (tetris blocks), the netcode/online connection that doesn't function well and the not existing matchmaking (which i often jokingly call rng system) made the game just feel bad and way worse than Splatoon 2. And for the events, Splatfest just try to ruin fun sometimes because of the not existing matchmaking and being forced to play turf war instead of good modes and having only a single map rotation with the option to play turf with Splatoon 2 X rank point system. Eggstra work for me just gets boring way too quick and should in my opinion just be a second rotation instead of an event and it has the terrible reward system of Big Run which only gives the top 5% the reward that it feels worth grinding for (and I say that while getting in all Big Runs and 1 Eggstrawork gold the other Eggstrawork silver). Big Run is like the only good event and now with double scales it's just even better, but the reward system makes it just worse than it should be. Challenges are a fun idea but are for some reason just very limited time which is stupid nonsense and it makes challenges just way worse than they could be. Now to the good things about the game The story Mode is great and was fun to play, the special weapon design got way better than in Splatoon 2 and Salmon Run got fun maps, is now always playable and the king Salmonids got added. The balancing also starts to get better (with a few small exceptions) Thanks to anyone who took the time to read this
I second this a lot. I have many other gripes with this game tho. Here is the TL;DR - This game just turned out to be hyper-competitive and overall FOMO without giving lasting reasons for coming back and giving new/casual/players that prefer to play the game their own way a reason to continue. I am not looking forward to updates because the 3 month gap makes me lose interest knowing we only have 2 years worth of content updates. Which gets me less excited or hopeful that things will change. Feels like the game is being neglected and not only is it lacking new content, it is constantly making mistakes on what made the game fun in the 1st place. Give players that don't like competitiveness a CHOICE. I don't want the only fun of the game to be competitive. Not everyone will get to be top players (in fact MANY will be left out because you HAVE TO HAVE people at the bottom for others to stay on top). Not to mention I always preferred to play casually and just don't care to play ranked for the position, but to enjoy the fun modes. And that is being ruined too because the maps are not open enough for people to not have to confront others all the time (in other words, less strategizing and more skill based). This pressure to be good in order to progress is irritating and makes me want to play less. I can grow as a player if I have the opportunity to learn from mistakes and experiment. I can't have that when everything is overly competitive and the game keeps disconnecting/having issues. The FOMO is absolutely unnecessary all the time for a game to be attractive. You can have it as a side-gig to make people compelled to play every day, but it should NOT be the main reason for you to play the game. That is just telling me you don't care enough to put actual content that is engaging and that can last more than 2 years of content updates. If the main motivation for splatoon now is competitive with limited time content being pushed and not leaving people who don't have the time, patience and/or willingness to just check out boxes, then it is doomed for the long run. Mostly because this game is supposed to be a game that endures and can be played again later on. I got it early mostly because of splatfests, but I am sorely disappointed. I will not say it isn't better in other ways like taking off limited-time salmon run and balancing out the weapons overall, but what value does this game have for resale now that 9 months have passed? People should already have the game and new players would lose interest at first sight when they know how much lost "content" (aka fun events and collectibles) they lost that could be earned, but instead are now locked under RNG. If you reached this far, I also thank you for hearing me out 😊
ive had a game where we were so close to winning but all 7 other people disconnected because of just one person that disconnected first, so i guess this is valid advice
This video is well made and the ideas are well presented, so i liked the video. I play quite a bit of the competitive side and its amazing to see these issues adressed. Personally my issues are the maps (apparently in an interview the devs said they know people are complaining but won't change them because the maps are designed to "induce more fights"), the matchmaking (I always struggle to find matches in X rank, even S when I have to get back up) and the content flow. I simply dont feel the content to be enough, 10 months into the game's projected 2 year life span and a sizeable chunk of the weapons don't have second loadouts is ridiculous.
I had the game gifted to me on release and played it quite a lot. I nearly filled out the first catalog. This was filled with the dread of constant disconnects, dying to shots through the wall and overall a lot of it just *wasn't a good time* because I was a new player in a sea of Splatoon veterans. Without skill-based matchmaking in turf wars, I was just getting my butt handed to me on a silver platter constantly, and with the barrier of entry to ranked being so high, it felt atrocious to even get to that point. Eventually, I did get to that point! Only to find out that the matchmaking there was as bad as everywhere else. People from all sorts of ranks were allowed to go together, turning it into a hellish experience even there. On top of that, I have a slight disability, and to find out there's absolutely no accomodation for that within the game (because I can't use motion controls without it hurting like hell after a few minutes) was... well, sad really. The stick controls are so much worse than *just* motion controls, and it wouldn't even be that big of a problem but for SOME ASININE REASON, you're not allowed to use the right stick to go up and down without turning off motion, which could've alleviated a bit for me as I can handle slight bits. Just not, yknow, constant. Not that it matters, because the desyncing of the gyro sensor happens nearly constantly with the game as well, making it less of a fight against the opponent and more of a fight against my controller. In a lot of games, I can usually find little holes I can poke through to find a role within a team, but Splatoon 3's map design is just so linear. Often times I'd want to sneak through somewhere and I couldn't. This is why I loved the Ninja Squid ability. It would let me play a little outside of the boxed design, but even that doesn't work because the netcode will sometimes accidentally reveal your character by placing them outside of ink. Nothing works here. So to me who didn't even bother *trying* to get into S-Rank, the fact that they made X Battles more accessible feels incredibly stupid. It's a really hollow attempt at making a larger chunk of the playerbase feel better about their performance while not addressing actual problems. After exploding from absolute nothingness several times in a row due to someone else's lag during a splatfest, I eventually took the game out of my switch and just... never played it again. It's sad too, because I honestly enjoyed it. sometimes. when it wasn't a fight against the switch itself, or the shitty p2p netcode at 16hz. The game is riddled with retention boosters like the catalog, timed events and just how arduous it is to grind everything, I would want... It wasn't worth it. It wasn't worth dozens upon dozens of hours of frustration just to look a bit nicer in a game I didn't even want to play for 90% of that time.
As a very casual player who is easily intimidated by competitive players, I really wanna see more fun things you can do with friends. I know it's a shooter, but you can tell they also hold friendship in high regrards. I wish when taking pictures, you could actually pose with friends instead of using the throwing motion and jumping. It's also a super minisucule detail, but I wanna be able to see the other team preform booyeah and ouch.
I was a casual splatoon player in 2. I got to A+ rank, got only 1 *, and loved salmon run. Like I LOVED SR. The fall off from 2 to 3 is crazy. Content wise 3 is superior but to me, gameplay wise I prefer 2. I enjoy the maps better. That's really the meat and potatoes of it for me. I havent played splatoon 3 since OCTOBER bc I just didn't love the game like I loved splatoon 2. I had 900hrs in splatoon 2 and I'm pretty sure I have only 250 in 3 most of which being story mode trying to finish after alterna and then having some fun in SR. I think another issue that's ongoing for me is that as an adult I gotta work lol I miss out on so much of the "content" (challenges, big run, eggstra work and splat fests) because they're all on the weekends. I work 10hr shifts on the weekends, I can't just miss work to play splatfests or big run. I have a family to provide for. It just sucks. Splatoon in general alienates their adult players with that format imo. It should just be a week long event with ranked modes included. Nintendo needs to get it together
As someone who plays a supper agro weapon, the lack of flanks is really noticeable and rmakes games a lot less fun. Every now and then I’ll lose a game and think to myself: “of course I lost, I rushed in when I should’ve flanked” then I see the results screen map and it’s just: “oh yeah, there aren’t any flanks”
i actually noticed less people are playing, granted, there is an update coming up so people are holding out as to not get burnt out on the game, but queueing times are 3x as long for regular turf war with waiting over 100 seconds being the norm and its pretty sad. i just hope this update helps the game desperately
Competitively speaking, the game is complete garbage right now and that pains me to say that since Splatoon's been a massive part of my life since 2015. I still love all the characters, the lore and just the overall aesthetic of the game but playing it online is the most miserable experience for a multitude of reasons...it's a joke how bad it is. I installed earlier this month and my depression level has gone down drastically.
Y’all should go back to those games that make you pay 24.99$ for their version of a “catalog”. Don’t make Nintendo kick themselves for not making mad money off of this like every other game has. I’ll always respect how non predatory this game is. Every other game seems to be out for your wallet then anything else.
ive been getting into the game for the first time recently and i will say my main problem at first was the fact that i was just getting destroyed because the only people i got to play against were like maxed out full gear with good ass weapons and im just trying to figure out what im even doing i understand there probably isnt many new players but i wish they made a better effort at matching people against people around my level and not these people that have played everyday for the past year
I downloaded the game a few days ago. I had been playing Splatoon 2 for a year after release before I moved on to other things, so when I bought the new game I was excited to see what had changed. It was super confusing to get into, but I ignored that and decided to play some turf war after not playing in 5 years. Played. 10 matches, got wiped by X and S rank players when I had no clue what I was doing at all. I had SO many issues with connection that I had a very miserable time. The game is quite a hot mess and I am super disappointed at this to be honest.
I think the XP thing as the first point (reaching level 10 for newbies) is due to how to XP works in splat3 than splat2, since splat2 had done pretty well when it came to unlocking ranked in the previous game
I think quitting updates to Splatoon 2 has dealt considerable damage to the Splatoon franchise’s popularity. They should have just kept updating 2 and adding more expansions until the Switch got phased out for the next big console.
And the lack of side order news. Like we haven’t heard anything about it in 6 months. I’ve seen so many people that already forgot about it or don’t even care anymore. Nintendo is really shoveling their own grave💀
I find it weird that they announced the DLC and took our money for it so early - and now crickets for a year? And it's not coming until December? Or later? Like what?
I hate how they think smaller stages mean more fun. They literally went backwards with it. And brella. They thunk shooters are more deserving of buffs than brella
Ill pitch in that, as a two+ year participant in competitive Splatoon, my experience eroded away into, not being simply outplayed on a broad spectrum, but that of being stuffed out as an aggressive player, yes, like you described, not allowed to do flanks or plays away from my team. I main a weapon (blaster) that cannot fight head to head with more standard weapons and prepared teams. But thats all i was forced to do. Despite all effort, I wasnt improving, and I needed to hit a skill floor even more drastically high then i ever was to compete. And it crushed my heart to put the game down for such superficial reasons.
Turf War is frustrating to play where your projectiles get randomly deleted even though it looks like you got clean hits. Salmon Run rewards are mediocore. Rates too rare that requires months of nonstop grinding with friends (oh wait) just to get enough golds with no exchanges. Catalog rewards for Salmon Run are also a slog compared to other modes, and if you keep wiping at wave 1, it then becomes a frustrating experience. It also punishes you, regardless if someone did a baby rage quit or DC'd. Ranked is too restrictive, and slaps you with demotion resets when a season ends. Challenges? [LUL] Catalog has FOMO gear, but everything else goes to shell out when that ends with seemingly no way to attain said FOMO gear. Shell Out costs 30,000 per pull aside from your daily pull or conch shells (which goes away after a splatfest ends regardless of if you used them or not.) and completionists and collectionists would grovel over how poop the RNG is. Not everyone can complete After Alterna (due to rails being a skill check.) and thus a piece of gear, badge, and title is locked out. Honestly there should be an "Alterna"tive to this unlockable content or have this extra level have checkpoints so it doesn't become a 3 hour grind of pure BS regarding a balloon living by 1 HP because of spitball RNG on top of being unable to backtrack. It's either ride the rail or die. Badge system feels useless to me, and limited distributed badges just generated a toxic hellhole to boot. Events have this big RNG where the toxic soreness gets cranked up to 11 on top of having gold quota kept hidden until the last second, making it feel like you got ripped off after investing so much time into it. Threshold golds are a much more realistic solution. For a game that wants to appeal to casuals... it does EVERYTHING in its power to punish them at every turn.
i just got the game after waiting almost a year and i've been having fun but now i'm worried 😭 i did get a bunch of sweats in some of my matches and im almost level 10 but maxing out gear seems super overwhelming
Map design is a big issue for me. In splatoon 2 i used to flank a lot, but in splatoon 3 i see barely any opportunities to do so, so ive had to change my playstyle
Another thing that sucks is splatfests and community I feel like there are a lot more arguments surrounding splatoon nowadays maybe because it has a older audience now who have more access to social media but I have been seeing a lot of people posting hateful things about other players and just generally getting into arguments yeah this will happen in any online space but the way it’s gotten a lot more common in the splatoon community isn’t good as for splatfests it just makes this situation worse because of the mix of competitive and casual players it really just messes stuff up even more especially with there now being 3 teams I wouldn’t doubt that the community has driven people away at times and I see stuff getting pretty heated around splatfests especially with the recent love vs money vs fame fest splatoon online spaces have just been hell I just wanna see fun content not people arguing constantly
in splatoon 2, if a player got kicked the server would continue running but for some reason they decided for splatoon 3 that if ONE PERSON disconnects the ENTIRE server shuts down, which makes people rage and log off.
3 things that made me drop Splatoon 3 personally were the grunge soundtracks, the bad level designs/rotations in the game & worst of all being the removal of Shifty Station; killing all the hype I had for splatfests because their incorporating mechanics from the single player campaign into multiplayer situations.
While Splatoon 2 had many issues I found it more enjoyable and played much longer(better OST, better maps, better idols, etc) than 3 as 2 felt like a true sequel to 1 whereas 3 introduced not much for meaningful additions that felt like a 3rd installment and for whatever reason Octolings STILL HAVE LESS STYLES THAN INKLINGS. Just why Nintendo?
its sad that Splatoon dying off is only a problem in America GENUINELY not saying that out of any negative place, they literally just only market it in Japan and the playerbase is still going strong over there. They even had Baskin Robbins Splatoon flavors that were exclusive to Japan.. Lol, and all the tournaments and merch they have that's exclusive as well. I'd love to see the love shared a little
I feel like the Splatoon Nintendo Team either > consists of like 6 people > consists of incompetent people or > consists of people who are underpaid like what the f
I'm currently playing my last Splatfest before my college years and for an overwhelming majority of all my matches, I'm matched either with custom teams or awful teammates. Aggravating
Same, it’s pretty annoying. during the splatfest i lost 70% of my matches because of the bad matchmaking. it wasn’t fun so i stopped playing midst the splatfest
The maps and matchmaking are the biggest thing I noticed as a turf wars lover and it makes Splatoon 3 feel so bad in comparison to Splatoon 2 as someone who plays at a casual level So many of these maps feel so trapped with no ways to flank, and one way drop areas with no inkable walls and then combined with me starting the game for the first time and days of constantly in matches with players with all their gear and abilities minmaxed its like wtf It's like night and day when I stop playing these some of cramped to heck maps and get to play on something like Flounder Heights, Mako Mart, Manta Maria and realize wow these are so much more fun in comparison now
If side order needs to be released when things like map design are fixed that way the new surge in popularity will also see that the game has improved But we all know thats not going to happen
I feel like something that bothers me SO much but nobody really talks about, is the THEME of the maps. in the first two games, I felt like I was in the buildings or environments the game told me I was in! there was decoration, themeing, layouts, etc. but now? its just the same wooden or plain colored floor, random uninkable walls, the same layouts, with NO decorations or theming. its just sad to play.
Hey! Loved the video, it really shows the lacking parts in Splatoon 3 and I totally agree. I did wonder, what music did you use starting at at 2:10 ? It sounds like “Shellfie” but when I keep listening it sounds like a remix. Or maybe it is just the normal song and I am hearing things.. 😛
I'm not the type of player who usually gets into online multiplayer games, but Splatoon 1 was one of my most heavily played games ever, literally just me playing Turf War for over 1,000 hours. I played Splatoon 2 for hundreds of hours as well. Splatoon 3, I haven't played in months, not even the last couple Splatfests, which I used to religiously show up for. It really makes me sad, because I still think the game is cool and fun, but I don't feel the same draw as the first game. I really miss the original line up of specials, and I think your points about the map design pushing you into more aggressive play probably applies too. When I bought the game and told it to carry over my experience from 2 into the matchmaking, I immediately regretted it, because I feel constantly outclassed every single time I play, and I get frustrated super quickly. At this point, I'm just waiting for the new single player content. Oh and also the Sp1 themed DLC was kinda trash lol, you'd think you could at least get a squid sisters news show if you're in Inkopolis.
Since I played in Splatoon 2 and got some stuff for playing it and started playing Splatoon 3 I was able to start ranked match no matter my level, so seeing lv.10 in order to join ranked was a wow to me.
Another problem is the catolog, i half quit because of how hard it is for me to grind just because of catalog exclusive rewards. idk if they will come back but that not being specified is a big problem. TLDR: Catalog too similar to battle pass
I had a goal last season to reach rank x top500 only because I wanted the badge, but I became really frustrated after reaching 2200 as an octobrush main, really felt like I had to perform perfectly each game or I would be throwing the game because the maps are so frustrating sometimes😭
to be honest, the online subscription is the only reason I'm still playing splatoon 1. I could justify 60$ if I knew I'd have it forever, but I'm not paying 20$ more a year just so I can rent an upgraded version of 1 game. and no, the campaign doesn't make a difference to me since I already pirated and beat it lol
Personally for me, I started the series on splatoon 1 as a kid when I first got my Wii U Instantly fell in love with it (I was garbage) and the world Nintendo made and when they announced splatoon 2 I lost my shit. Dude the jump from splatoon 1 too 2 was so great, not only the graphics where amazing but they added so much more to the game new mechanics new modes etc etc. Going back to play splatoon 1 feels like a different game to 2. However when 3 came out I didn’t really get the same hype as 2, I don’t know if it’s me just getting older but in my honest opinion it just lacked in content. People enjoyed the story mode of splatoon 3 but I really disliked it, the areas was plain and simple and the story was alright but wasn’t as fulfilling as 2 or 1 to me. 3 just felt like a more tweaked and competitive 2 then anything. Maybe it’s because it’s the same hardware and yes I know splatoon 2 was on switch and that obviously meant more things could be done but damn bro splatoon 3 really just felt empty
fr tho they need to make it so EXP boost food buffs can affect your catalogue level. it would also help players not get burnt out so easily, and prevent them from getting discouraged due to missing catalogue rewards they really wanted. getting them from the gacha machine just isnt enough.
3:14 this kind of system is called listen server, where there TECHNICALLY is a server but the server is running the client software as well (leading essentially to what you are calling "host" here). This is not peer to peer. An example of definition perfect p2p is Smash Ultimate's quickplay, where there is no server software running on either player (OR that ALL players are running the server software, depends on the implementation but without the source code it is hard to confirm).
First off, just wanted to say great video! In terms of problems with Splatoon, my biggest issue with the game ties back into what you were talking about for matchingmaking but from a more casual perspective. The fact that Turf war is the only true casual PvP game mode (especially after they basically turned Anarchy Open into League) is honestly a huge problem imo. Ideally, from my perspective when they added Challenges they should have kept their idea for timed PvP competitions. However, they should have added a full always on rotation game mode with these fun mode ideas and it used the fresh meter like in turf war. Personally, because of the competitive nature and awkward timing of Challenges, I haven't played over half the game modes because honestly it's just frustrating playing against people that play PvP nonstop. Before someone says it, yes it is a skill issue on a personal level. However, I think Nintendo skill capping the few pieces of fresh content for pvp in the game combined with their awful matchmaking just makes PvP hard to play in the game from a casual and new player perspective compared to other "competitive" shooter games like Fortnite, Overwatch, or even Valorant. As a casual or new player in those games it feels like you're getting matched appropriately and actually have a chance to learn how to play the game before getting matched up against people that play tournaments or have been grinding PvP since day 1. My second biggest problem with Splatoon 3 is Splatfest and the communities interaction with the event. For Splatfest, it seems like any semblance of matchmaking just gets thrown out the window and most games end up in a definite win or loss in the first 20 seconds. However, this is the time where most casual players will come out of retirement to play the game and imo when matchmaking should be operating at its best rather than at its worst. Not to mention that on Twitter before, during, and after each Splatfest, there's always some crazy scandal or bad publicity going on between players/teams and just overall negativity. The reason I bring this up because I've noticed large general Nintendo streamers (1000+ avg twitch viewers and 1M+ YT subscribers) talking about how they had planned on streaming and making content for Splatoon occasionally (some example of plans I heard a weekly Splatoon streams, splatfest streams, and new update streams and videos) but have had such a bad impression with it casually due to Splatfest and seeing Splatoon Twitter have monthly meltdowns that they completely reversed their plans on covering the game. As someone who got into Splatoon from watching creators like these try the game out during launch, it's a whole lot of free publicly that the game is missing out on. After mentioning so much negativity around the game, I do want to say that I appreciate Salmon Run. Idk if there's different teams working on Salmon Run and PvP but if they are, the PvP team need to ask the Salmon Run team for feedback. It's like night and day between the two halves of the online experience. For starters, I have rarely seen disconnects in Salmon Run and when they do happen, the game adjusts to fit having less players. Second, When there are issues that players are complaining about (egg lag, frame drops at high evp, no freelance in eggstrawork) the developers actually listened and tried to make changes to fix what they could given the online P2P limitations and switch hardware to lessen the impact compared to the mostly silent treatment about core issues in PvP that people have mentioned since the game launched last year. Lastly, in terms of skill required to play, the learning curve is so much friendlier for people that want to play at any level. Want to be a pure casual or just starting out? Cool there's meaningful ranks you can be in for that experience Want to sweat or try overfishing? Cool you can grind up to high hazard levels or even go for 9s if you're good enough. All the time getting matched randomly with people at similar levels to you. No matter your skill level progression feels meaningful Ironically, the most frustrating part of Salmon Run for me is tied back to PvP. The fact that the lobbies reset with the PvP rotations. I've lost so many amazing freelance lobbies due to PvP rotations dumping us all back out into the Grizzco hub. However, we can't always get what we want I guess lol It just seems that a lot more care goes into Salmon Run than PvP which is a bit sad since most people naturally gravitate towards PvP first and give up on the game before seeing how great other aspects of the game are like the Story mode and Salmon Run
Splatoon is just bad now. Maybe if the devs actually made challenges more often, eggstrawork 1 week long and happen at least once a month, add actually decent maps, finally give us a new ranked mode and if squid disters did the news in DlC, if Nintendo brought back Squid jump for ppl who PAID for it and if they finally added a real NEW mode for regular online. Salmon Run is carrying splatoon right now and even so its not something everyone enjoys. Tableturf is totally irrelevant and could easily be made into something better, and should also be on mobile This next update might be the devs last opportunity to save the game before it actually becomes like most other shooters and truly dues.
it's incredible how the 20 dollars a year that i thought were for going towards maintaining servers turned out to be totally false. we're paying for a service that is not just low-quality, but also lacks actual servers?? what are we paying for then? and i'm glad someone else pointed out the lack of content. i miss squid beatz dearly (i liked the jukebox addition, but it doesn't really feel like enough) and the catalog just feels like a frustrating chore to slog through. i really wish more care was put into this game, i've been playing since the very first splatfest in splatoon 1 and the previous games were so creative and innovating!! they did a great job with both the previous games and actually listened to the community :] i still have fun playing splatoon 3, but it feels like i just keep getting disappointed when it comes to this game :(
im only lvl 16 and just lost 5 games in a row to fully kited sweats in turf war, like how tf did i lose a match against 3 chargers and a Explosher in TURF WAR. Like I'm just trying to have casual fun T_T
ive found it increasingly difficult to find an x rank game, it always says not enough players and after like 7 mins of queue times it works but i get put against a team of a much higher skill level than my own, im not the best player but it doesnt help when i get teammates who take the rainmaker to our checkpoint when im shouting 'this way' at them at the opponents checkpoint. my biggest problem is with the matchmaking system and the map design, the maps need to stop being so catered towards campy weapons like the splatlings and snipers and add more variety, its made the game much more aggressive to a lot of players, they also need to stop bringing out weapons that are completely imbalanced compared to other weapons and actually focus on fixing the balancing issues between weapons from, their damage amounts to the specials. this is combined with the really bad map design and matchmaking that makes it harder when it gives you 2 or 3 snipers on your team. the game has too many issues and the next content update should add new stuff but primarily balance the game more, change map designs, and overhaul the matchmaking process. id be completely fine if it took them a while to do it and actually get stuff done instead of rushing an update through because NEW CONTENT. it feels almost as if the game is already slowing to a complete stop and i further think after the dlc the updates could possibly get smaller and more spread out. they need to take some careful time with it and maybe actually play the game theyve made haha
Here's a good video on the state of X rank by the way for more on that section: ruclips.net/video/Dbl1qAaULY8/видео.html
Splatoon 3 is pretty much a reboot. What I mean by this is the old team that worked on 1 & 2 are long gone thus all the new developers are still learning how to improve the games. You can look this up on the game credits.
So. Multiplayer IS HARD to implement. And nintendo don't have a lot of exp with doing that. Remember the first time they even tried to do something with online services?? They asked hatena to do that for them. But nintendo have a lot of money so Im sure that they can fix everything pretty easy. They just lazy or something. Net code is hard. That's all just mine opinion tho.
@@sobinec For real. I dislike playing multiplayer bc of how way off unbalanced it is. I'm pretty sure it's why they hide user level numbers. Nintendo is usually like "hmm... let's take this competitive Splatoon team... and mix it with a relatively new user group... it will be fun for everyone!"
@@mrbeaks Mab nintendo need to ask hatena for help? But I don't think that thats going to help... Damn...
@@mrbeaks 1: rare update
2: updates that set 8 weapon OP (just play 3 match and you see the same team, over and over again 🙄)
3: low connection and the server kick you (and ban you 😂)
4: if you have a super connection, well the server will do his best to kill you 😂, you are hiding behind a wall ? Nope the other team see you 1s before that 🤣
5: ranked system based on farming (without talking about salmon-run)
Bonus: the rng 😂 i spend over 3 000 000 coins trying to have a silver loot from the shell-out machine without success, and some guys got 3 golden shell 👀
It’s infuriating how nintendo has billions of dollars to pour into new and better servers and yet they do nothing.
What servers? It's just the consoles talking to each other, there’s no server connection. One console is the 'host', and the other consoles connect to the host.
@@NapaCatwith local play, yes but its litterally an online game dude....
@@NapaCateven though it does use p2p which kinda yes host and than players but it is online
@@NapaCatthat's the problem, you telling me a billion dollar company can't get servers?
They just put it all into *More popular games* like the new Mario game, I assume.
Personally the thing that annoys me the most is the fact that the rank system is completely different and most of the time you will see low rank players going up against S + and X rank so much to the point that you can't even enjoy the game
Makes no sense why they even allow low rank players to be matched with X players in the first place. I don't get why they've hidden people's ranks in the lobby too.
Yeah, good point
Ranks are probably hidden bc they know how shitty their matchmaking system is 🙄
Seems like a skill issue to me
It actually is😭
No new - permanent - modes is a massive dealbreaker for me… I also thought we’d have more music by now, besides all this they could’ve dropped the DLC sooner to bring back more players who don’t want to pay £20 for NSO and everyday disconnections
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You know that DLC is being developed and require times to do that?
Also they added like 6 new song and plenty more should arrive with the dlc
@@Polmo1997 Let the developers of Nintendo/Splatoon take time for Splatoon 3: Side Order.
locking so much music to the lobby and not using it I battles is foolish
@animal1nstinct394 That's absurd.
God, I hope Nintendo doesn't milk the Splatoon franchise to death like how the other triple AAA companies are doing it.
Also, Hisashi Nogami (the producer of Splatoon) confirmed that Splatoon 3 will be the last Splatoon game of inklings vs octarians saga.
For map design specifically, I’ve kept thinking to myself: I feel like Nintendo should go back to how they made maps in Splatoon 1 where they just slapped on some random stuff and see if it works. It did. Good maps like Mahi-Mahi Resort, Ancho-V Games, and Urchin Underpass, which had a stage renovation.
In Splatoon 2, they wanted to force fights more, which is taking some of the alternative routes away, but didn’t do it too much.
In S3, they went overboard in forcing fights. Now there is a heavy lack of flanks and side routes, as previously stated. And the new original maps that are added every season have the similar layout every time.
Nintendo lost it's touch with splatoon. Splatoon 2 was practically all-around and it was truly the golden for Splatoon. We got to use all of the features that were in the previous story mode in 1 and use our creativity to our advantage to ambush. But splatoon 3 by far is the worse game out of thr two, and the fact that they abandoned acnh just to work on 3 which splatoon 3 also got infected by the acnh virus it's not that surprising.
I've felt similarly this way for YEARS. Splatoon's maps had a lot of character to them from their layouts to their features. Camp Triggerfish's unique layout of each team's path leading directly to the "enemy's" path. Moray Tower's extreme, tall, and very different layout made me love it a lot (although I'm aware it's hated). Arowana Mall had a lot of tall side paths which were fun. Walleye Warehouse was quite open. Blackbelly Skatepark had a lot of slants and that iconic middle "tower". Bluefin Depot's middle having two different sections. Saltspray Rig having horizontal spawnpoints which instantly made the map very different than others. Hammerhead Bridge had a fun middle layout with many spots to fight in, grates, and the middle high grounds. Kelp Dome's above grate paths. Flounder Heights was very tall and many climbable walls (not just inkable). Many maps also had moving parts which soared the potential for Splatoon maps by a lot. Mahi-Mahi Resort's layout changes somewhat before one minute left. Piranha Pit, although absolutely terrible, had those moving conveyor belts. As basic as Port Mackerel is it had those moving Forklifts that you could climb. Museum D'Alfonsino with those rotating structures. Ancho-V Games had the first ever single player feature in a map, those propellor lifts. Saltspray Rig had those useless elevators and a funny little secret all the way in the back, which was a small moving platform being held up by a crane.
Most of these maps were very flawed with spawn camping issues, unfun choke points, very hard to regain the middle of some maps, getting stuck in your base or your side. Splatoon 2 could've expanded on these map features and layouts and fixed the main flaws but it didn't. The only flaw they fixed was that most maps you couldn't enter the enemy's base so you couldn't spawn camp them. Most walls were ink resistant and there were less walls that you could actually the climb to the top of. The first map in the game, The Reef, had almost no walls that you could actually climb to the top of. Only two new maps had moving features, Sturgeon Shipyard and Wahoo World (correct me if I'm wrong). Some other maps had good ideas like Shellendorf Institute with its ink resistant top paths, Snapper Canal's layout that we've never seen before, but they were executed poorly. These maps were less fun had the same problems coke points, hard to regain middle control, being stuck in your base or on your side, or were just annoying to play on. Splatoon 2 did have Shifty Station though and despite those having many flaws because of how fast they were made, they were a ton of fun. Very unique maps, many use of single player features, and had moving parts. I thought FOR SURE the next game would take inspiration from those maps.
Splatoon 3's lack of map designers really shows. We all know by now how awful and boring these maps are and I'm just very disappointed with this game entirely. I thought Barnacle & Dime could make somewhat of a comeback with basic design because it's fun in Turf War and has that third path "flank route" but Ranked just nukes half of that route for most modes making it very useless.
Yeah I don't like the new map for Mahi Mahi Resort in Splatoon 3. The original map was alot better!!!!!
Splatoon 3 is like the Street Fighter 5, and Plus, they made the leveling system where you have to grind more like a snail's paste unless you sacrifice your tickets
@@daichiboiSnail's paste? Eeeeeew...
Catalogs feel like chores with how long they take at this point. I’m just going to say it, and that’s the whole reason why I’m im falling out of style with this game. Catalogs were the only reason I really kept going, and it’s kinda upsetting how much I love this game. Along with this game’s hero mode which made me think I was genuinely going insane when playing, so many more questions and so many unresolved answers and it’s driving me NUTS. And with the fact that 3 is the last game continuing the story of Octavio and cuttlefish we’ll never get anything else resolved and I’m going to tear my hair out, NINTENDO PLEASE WHY DO YOU KEEP GIVNG US COOL THINGS AND NEVER DOING ANYTHING ELSE WITH WITH THEM -?!
I agree with everything you said, I just wish Nintendo made everything less punishing and more clear,,
Would you rather play a game where you have to pay money to use their version of a catalog?
Baffles me how the level up tickets don’t affect the catalog level at all. Makes them even more useless than they already are
The story ending really grinds my gears because the Octarians (not Octolings) never got a proper ending either. There were certain interesting elements to their story that actually made them sympathetic at a second glance, but S3 just puts all the build-up they and Octavio had in the trash, and we'll never see them again. Truth be told, I feel bad for the guys. I certainly got invested for 7 years and got nothing.
@@grogg4372 I agree SO MUCH with this statement. Literally so much genocide and brainwashing was committed on Octavio’s soldiers by TarTar and Grizz and US and APPARENTLY we’re NOT GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE REPERCUSSIONS? No sending message from Octavio that he’ll try to fix things? NOTHING BUILT UP ON OCTAVIO’S RELATIONSHIP WITH CUTTLEFISH AFTER BEING DEHYDRATED-? Dude S3 would’ve been so much more interesting if Octavio was grabbed by grizz instead of cuttlefish, that would’ve been a real genuine threat having to fight off a brainwashed Octarian GENERAL and might even dive on how cuttlefish may or may not still care for his ex-friend dispite everything! It would’ve slightly build upon the story about the two people THAT LITERALLY CAUSED HALF OF THE ENTIRETY OF SPLATOON and Apparently not. I feel you dude, 7 years of cool lore all gone! I SPEEDRAN splatoon 3’s campaign the moment the game came out and it was like 11 at midnight and I genuinely couldn’t comprehend what was going on, I actually thought I was hallucinating on lack of sleep.
Exactly, alterna as a setting was really cool imo, but alterna as a story arc seemed kinda rushed, and I wish that nogami's team could've taken as much time as they needed.
Another thing that's great about Splatoon: How the dialogue shows the character's personalities, likes, dislikes, relationships with other characters, relationships with enviroment, relationship with events, relationship with players, etc. Basically, Splatoon 3 dialogue is on ANOTHER LEVEL. Even in my video, "My 3 favorite lines of dialogue" Where I only do one for each game, I mention how Splatoon 3 is the best for dialogue. My biggest hopes for Side Order is dialogue that brings Splatoon 3's dialogue even higher.
Yeah, if there is one thing that splatoon has been getting better at, it's storytelling and personalities of the characters
I hope the Octoling in Side Order gets to talk or at least show a personality. I personally don't like how people see Agent 4 because for me it's too out of character, if you read the bio on Inkopedia it says their silent but people make them seem loud, stupid, & annoying. If the Octoling doesn't talk (which they most likely won't) I just wanna see their personality, like some traumatic memories would be good enough because it would show they've had a traumatic past. I know Nintendo doesn't want them to talk probably because it wouldn't match the player but I honestly don't care if it does or doesn't.
@@ImNiceDw It's funny how when you think about it, most of the common fandom personalities for the Agents go against the few bits of canon information we've gotten, 4 as you've said, but OG 3 is hardly as edgy and cold as people love to make them. Splat 3 actually makes them pretty goofy and dramatic but also supportive towards Neo 3 and it's a shame people like to parrot them as basically hating everybody except 8 because shipping.
@@-memoria-2136 They sometimes make 8 kinda sensitive.
Ehh tbh the dialogue in splatoon 3 is kinda eh
The characters in the story say or do next to nothing important ESPECIALLY the squid sisters who really don’t have any reason to be here
And I feel the other games (mainly 2) did a better job establishing the characters
I mean it took until the most recent update for deep cut to get unique lines for each map during the news
Number one is true for sure but also I don't play splatoon to be competitive, I play for fun. Fun is dampened for a lot of players when you're getting rinsed by better players constantly
I do wish there were more flank options and at I at least give nintendo props for some maps where you can't camp spawn-wish that was all of em
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Yep, same for me. I play casually but often end up with my character getting splatted by those of competitive players -and those who play using Pro Controllers- _(edit 2: invalidated, check replies)_ , leaving me to play 'competitively' while still playing casually.
One thing I figured out is that I could set a custom button mapping that swaps the Y and B buttons, allowing me to play more comfortably using a Joy-Con pair.
Edit: what I mentioned applies to when I play PvP modes, not Salmon Run.
it wouldn't be so bad if there was a large enough pool of casual players to mingle amongst each other, but with how bad the netcode issues and other problems are in splatoon 3, the active playerbase is too tiny to prevent casuals and hardcore players getting put in the same match
This.
With the map designs and more aggressive specials, there’s really no such thing as playing casual anymore due to how you’re funnelled into the centre of the map and forced to fight constantly.
The fact Nintendo never has any interactions with the community is also part of the reason the game is dying
They really want to make this a valid esports, but how are they if they’re not going to be receptive to feedback?
Nintendo don't care enough for this to be an esport, the tournaments they host have terrible rewards and clearly the online they made isnt made for games to have a competitive environment.
Guess its a learning experience for them? lol
I'm pretty sure that nintendo is almost anti-competitive nintendo wants to make games for a casual audience. It feels like they actively remove feature that make games more competitive so that they're more accessible to a wider audience, just look at the transition from Smash Melee to Smash Brawl. However what they fail to realize is that removing said features or otherwise designing more casual elements over the competitive ones it makes the already dedicated player base start to lose interest
@@Animonkeysmash isn't designed by Nintendo and with Splatoon3 they are introducing a Tournament mode that seems to be really good within this month or the next. They already announced It.
Fr the Twitter account is so dead now, even the JP one. The main artist for the game barely even draws anything anymore. I really miss the "research lab" style of posts.
I find that it's not the first player who is the host, but rather the player with the best general connection. I have a fast wired internet connection and become the host a lot because of it (I can tell because clams collect faster in Clam Blitz if you're the host), but not having dedicated servers is still unacceptable.
i think the most basic feature missing is more communication in a game that rewards based off of team performance. "this way" is so ambiguous, but damn would it hurt to add 2 extra Dpad options such as "be careful" or "push!!"? coming from someone who prefers playing solo
so true!!!
I also would love to complete older catalogs. My schedule doesn’t allow me the time to finish a catalog a season. Like stacking catalogs so you can do that oldest one first and the newer one gets put at the end. This would also benefit people who don’t have constant access to a online membership or enough time to put into splat3
Agreed. Or, they could even let us choose what catalogues we can do first
Honestly they kinda fixed that issue with the RANDOM gachapon system they have in the lobby area (in terms of emotes and banners). But I didn’t like that fix because it was so random. I say a way to fix it would be to choose which catalog to work with at any time. We wouldn’t lose access to the catalog rewards and would allow later players to get items that were exclusive before.
games from the last millennium had objectively better netcode than S3 / NSO can provide, "Unreal", a game from 1998 had a tickrate of 30, and could be set to as high as 90, while also using dedicated servers and lag compensation- the fact that a game 24 years later has none of these features speaks to the lack of care or knowledge on the team, it severely affects the playability and fairness of the game
My gripes with Splatoon 3
- Nintendo online is required for turf wars and salmon run. I wasn't able to play it for such a long time because I turned 18 and my card got canceled. Over a year later and I had to get my mom to pay for it to play again.
- The weapons don't cost cash, making it significantly harder to try new weapons because it's easy waste the licenses which are hard to get. I'm just bad at turf wars which is why this is a problem for me.
- There's no area around the place you spawn that keeps invulnerable to enemy attacks, which means you'll just die over and over again once they reach your spawn and camp there. This also can make people not want to play the game anymore as a result of it.
the second one is a BIG thing that competitive players don't realise. Most of the time we don't want to play weapons we don't like before being able to enjoy new weapons released in the seasonal updates. It takes like hundreds of hours to unlock every weapon, whereas in Splatoon 1 and 2 it was really easy with how abundant cash was so you could easily try out a bunch of weapons all at once to see what your favourites are.
i will agree with the last one, especially around splatfests then players gets really campy.
There is at least one inaccesible area in your spawn in every single map (except umami ruins (for some reason) and hammerhead bridge, that has two of them but are almost useless.) So the spawn camping isn't as annoying as it was in splatoon 1 & 2
I agree to the first one. Game subscriptions should be separate from online multiplayer.
I'd like to add that (likely because the playerbase is so small right now) any new player is going to constantly get stomped on even in regular turf war, meaning that new player has to be okay with alternating between getting spawncamped and hard carried pretty much every match for quite a while. Even if you don't play to win, that's still not fun.
Being spawncamped seems like it's so much more of a problem in S3 compared to S1. In Splatoon 1 you at least were able to shoot in your spawn, in Splatoon 3 you're just in the air and can't do anything. The spawn armour doesn't work when it easily gets destroyed by Crab/zooka lmao
yeah, they need a pro turf war like in splatfests
Bought the game for Christmas, can confirm, there were a few rounds where i couldn't even make it past the launch area because i was getting camped left and right, and its discouraging to say the least because i *want* to have fun, i *want* to enjoy the game but its frustrating seeing how huge of a gap there is in skill in TURF WARS, i dont even want to see what its like in ranked
In my opinion its dying to the casuals like myself that dont get content for 3 months until the next season. But for comp players not so much since the have patches and the meta to look foward to.
I still don’t get why new Season content isn’t dropped throughout the whole Season rather than all at once
the skill gap from 2 to 3 was crazy for me, i cannot get out of spawn in some matches
I love Splatoon and it just hurts seeing Nintendo and the developers making bad decision after bad decision. They can make the servers better and they just don’t. It’s really frustrating
Do you really think blaming the developers will make things even better?
Yes. They're the people making the damn game. They deserve as much criticism as Nintendo.
@@M64bros Quite frankly, yes. I don't work in game design but I do work in software design and I'm sure the translation between publisher(Nintendo)/client to developers works about the same. Aka, High level of requirements such as the game needs X and Y but can't have Z comes from Nintendo. A project manager / lead game designer/ lead game developer offers some input to help clarify requirements and expectations and approve ideas and makes sure the game stays on track for release/content updates. Developers get the requirements and come up with ideas to make the game function and achieve goals they were tasked with.
For example, Nintendo probably said hey there needs to be an online PvP game mode. Lead Designer and Lead Developer probably said cool we'll have these game modes from Splatoon 2 and will need some sort of matchmaking update. Developers probably worked on making the game modes and came up with the actual way the the game does matchmaking. After that, they probably showed it to the lead designer. Lead designer says cool this works and gives it the rubber stamp. The lead designer and developer then probably has some meeting with Nintendo exec staff and says hey we just finished up Multiplayer. Here's a local demo in the office. It'll match people of similar skill and will have these game modes. Boom Nintendo exec signs off. Of course this example skips a lot of the detail but this is the typical process in software development in general. Rinse and repeat until release until we get the game as the end user.
Of course the developers could have been given awful requirements but 9 times out of 10 when something in the software isn't working right or there are bugs that the end user catches then it's up to the developers to fix it or at least attempt to and usually they have even more freedom post launch depending on the severity of the issue to get things in a working state. This is why you see such a massive difference between updates for PvP vs Salmon Run. Players complain in Salmon Run and we get some kind of fix (egg lag, FPS drops, eggstrawork freelance lobbies). They may not be perfect but at least they tackle the issue in a meaningful way. Meanwhile in PvP, a whole year later were still talking about the same issues we were after the game launched with little updates on even just a status of changes minus them adding a few poles on a handful of maps. Like even if they just said no we don't want to update the maps to make them more open or updates to improve the matchmaking system would take a considerable amount of time to straighten everything, that would be way better than the radio silence we've had for a year
@@CC42_ who do you refer as "nintendo" here? lol
@@CC42_ Nah, developer follow instructions from the vertices
Nintendo needs better servers for all online games to be honest
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It's actually even worse, there are legitimately no servers when playing in a match. The gameplay is all peer-to-peer connection (which is why it's so bad). The game's servers only handle matchmaking.
@@galaxykirby18 Stupid lag thingies!
God, I hope Nintendo doesn't milk the Splatoon franchise to death like how the other triple AAA companies are doing it.
its unreal how we're being forced to pay for an online service thats garbage and just barely works
@@geeworm That's absurd
Nintendo is the king of taking one step forward and 500 steps back. I've never seen a company with such questionable decision choices. The problem is, they make really great games, they're just so out of touch on everything else.
nintendo dont do anything, the developers, people, human beings, make those decisions.
I'm sure Satoru Iwata is rolling in his grave right now 😔
def the maps they limit variability and honestly create a snowball effect. they affect the meta- which weapons can work best on these linear stages, which affects the match making- these same weapons pool into lobbies and if they arent matched with each other theyre matches with people who arent equipped to go against them, which lead to these nonlinear battles. Splatton 2 still had alot of these weapons, and specials, but because the maps were so much better we had none of these issues
they should’ve put more emphasis on the seasons. like make them actually feel important and different the way other live service games do
I love the tone you carried and how organized your information is. You don't come off as angry or a hater but simply as a player criticizing a game that they want to see grow.
Additionally the optimism you carry at the end was a good touch and I relate to it a lot. Splatoon 3 has potential and there is still time to improve and grow. It's just a matter of if people can wait and if Nintendo is willing to act.
I love this video so, so much! It brings helpful discussion and lays out the problems that atleast one person can speak about.
Outstanding video ❤
I definitely think that if nintendo didn't use splatoon 3 as a testing ground for NPLN the connection issues wouldnt be as bad
monster hunter rise uses NPLN too, the game started using it before s3 even launched, but in my time playing online in mhrise i have had less connection issues than i had playing splatoon
@@VitsunneMore users putting the infrastructure under more stress?
@@dd0669 no idea if i am gonna be honest i just find it quite astounding
@@Vitsunne It's definitely poor from Nintendo
@@dd0669 honestly, like little to no connection issues when i play with my australian friend on rise but when it comes to s3, unstable connection every 5 seconds and youre lucky if you dont get booted
Big reason I stopped playing: the catalogues. It started simply enough: just play once a day every day and win one turf war (or Salmon Run shift if you like that better, though it can be harder to win). Play a little more during Splatfest. Profit.
That all changed when I wanted to devote time and energy to other games or activities aside from Splatoon. Suddenly I had a sense of FOMO creep in, and I was (and still am) really upset about it. At this point I've determined that, as much as I really want the new gear, I'm just not going to get it. I sort of just said, "screw the FOMO" and did my thing. But I can't tell you how upset it makes me that this series used to have some awesome free gear drops and now it just... doesn't. I've already put in the hours. Don't make me put in more unless I want to. And trust me-- if you give me the freedom to do so, I'll want to. It's like asking for more money at this point, and I hate it.
Sorry for the long rant, I just really needed to get that off my chest.
Dude the map layouts are brutal and the matchmaking for weapons is pain. I hate going in as a back line and getting an entire team of backlines back to back and going "hmm maybe i should switch" then i go more agressive and suddenly everyone else is too and there are no backlines. Like i swear this happens every time. Also the really simple things like no new game modes and the small amount of weapons (one of the new classes literally only has two weapons total).
I hate what they did to poor mahi
Nice vid. Something to add as a casual player:
- The grinding for everything that you haven't mentioned (there's lots). Sometimes the grind feels like working at a factory in Vietnam for below minimum wage. Missed a few days playing? Back to the catalog conveyor belt you go. The 4387564876473 exp ticket you got from the gunch machine don't do anything for the catalog btw. The catalog gets a special mention because it just ends up burning you out. You want to play for fun but the game turns into a chore from the get-go.
- Lots of new players fall off before reaching level 10 because the matchmaking in Turf is so bad that it sometimes feels like the game is trying to punish you via macabre flagellation. There's no weapon or level matchmaking to speak of, I know that Glicko exists but honesty most people aren't going to bother with thins knowledge because the matchmaking still sucks. Couple having to play extremely aggro against people who play the game all day every day with maps that are only build like meat grinders and you get pesticide for all but the most invested. Open Anarchy is a "bully a child" simulator for sore losers who got their ass handed to them by a streamer in S+.
- The casual-to-competitive imbalance has caused the community to spiral massively. A community for an online game is incredibly important, and the Splatoon playerbase used to be very welcoming and fun, now you see newcomers get bullied on the Reddit sub for complaining about getting matched against advanced players in their first 10 games. I used to follow a lot of Splat community content, now the expectations for everybody are high and casuals feel like they have no voice in the matter.
- As a Turf lover the game feels like it lost the series' unique identity. S2 was already on crutches when it came to creative maps, S3 is either tetris meatgrinders or ports of S2 stages with half the shadows, light and vfx missing. Ink is just a way to get around faster or get up a small ledge, rolling is nice but there's only so much you can do here.
- Challenges. Wow 50 people can play this, how nice.
There are a lot of things in this game that feel expressly designed to deter as many players as possible. Honestly, S3 feels like a social experiment whose main goal is to analyze and test out as much out-there stuff as possible because they can get away with it due to how immensely popular the IP is. S3 and its successors are going to live long since the series is just too solid, but it is exactly the reason why the developers have stagnated.
As someone who's been playing the series since the first, 2,000 hours in Splatoon 2 alone, I'm shocked to say Splatoon 3 is the game that made me turn a blind eye against the series as a whole. I'll only be playing again once Side Order drops and only for that reason. The story is honestly the only reason I give Splatoon much of a thought now. Stopped playing after the Zelda Splatfest.
@@yokolighwanSAME. I feel like a lot of the comp players really enjoy this game whilst the people that played a lot but aren't in competitive (I had 1,750 hours in S2) are not enjoying it at all.
@@samzyyx wow you guys! I only have around 250 hours in 2 because I'm very busy but that game was like a drug to me.
The divide between comp and casual players is bigger than ever. Doesn't help that there are no dedicated casual content creators like the comp scene has, at least nobody as popular. I see casuals get shunned like heretics in the current community, when I say they don't have a say in the matter I really mean it.
Sad to see so many people fall off.
My only issue is the matchmaking. DC's? Whatever. They can be funny. The maps? Help me a lot! Im a front-liner, but its so much easier to keep track of everything and not get overstimulated and overwhelmed by being anxious 24/7 by not knowing where everyone is. However, the matchmaking is so unbearably terrible that i will be the MVP of my team, all gold metals, K/D ratio, carrying them the ENTIRE match, only for me to die ONCE and all of a sudden the other team knocks out/takes over map control and i cant do anything about it because my teammates have a K/D ratio of 2/10. Im an S+ player. This should not be happening.
all of these are good points. For me, personally, it's the catalogue. I have been maxing out two catalogues since Splatoon 3's release. My own and my brother's, since he gets too busy with work to really level it out. With how slow that bar fills up, even when you win, just feels like you aren't really making progress at all, like spending half a day for four levels in the catalogue in ridiculous, and maxing out TWO in three months just fuels burnout. I get that battle passes are the "thing" right now, but ffs just let people access the content whenever they want and not hide it behind guaranteed limited availability (as in you will 100% get it, but only during the season before you have to rely on random chance). It's unfair, time consuming, and kinda boring tbh... Not to mention that you'll get "teammates" every once in a while who do nothing to contribute to the match :/
That’s one thing I don’t understand for me the catalog levels I blitz through them almost in 1 or 2 days and then I’m just stuck with all this the second catalogs and third and fourth’s for the rest of the season so it gets boring. I think they should make it harder so you have to win more and get more xp to level up instead of it being so easy but that’s my opinion
Yeah I agree. I already maxed out this seasons catalog, I’m on the second one, level 50, to be exact but I wish they just gave us new shell out things than I stupid mystery box each 10 levels. Maybe it’s my fault for maxing out the catalog, but I wish there were exclusive tokens you got for leveling up catalog after you maxed it out.
@@splatoonsheldon226 appreciate the energy but you missed my point. I max out two catalogues, both are the first one which means there is a reward in every level. While you can blast through that, not everyone can and for me it takes over a month. As I said in my first comment, I usually spend half a day grinding for four levels, which just,,,, isn't good game design. Wanting to make it harder would just make it more time consuming and that is literally the exact opposite of what I was talking about. What they need to do is make that bar fill up faster and when you max it out give shell out tokens or better yet, salmon run scales! Literally anything but another catalog
@@-pavethewayforrenee-1155 ohhh I get what you are saying now I completely agree making it what you said fill quicker with better rewards in second and third catalogues would give more motivation to complete it and would be easier and better rather than it getting slept on. I think salmon scales, shell out machine tokens would be good maybe even ability chunks. I think that would also work for players like me because I’m level 135 or 6 and I’m blitzed the Catalog quickly and I’m now on the 3rd maybe fourth so that would work really well
@@splatoonsheldon226 yea! Even ability chuncjs because right now you can only get them from either random chance (tickets)or salmon run rewards. Honestly anything is better than the mystery box every ten levels 😔
What about Turf War being the most painful mode in this game? That's also important.
You know, it's fine if one is a good player. Can't blame them for that.
But many people play in Turf War like their life depends on it.
And I often see top ranked battle or even top X battle players in Turf War, playing like their about to win a prize or something, in a supposedly casual game mode.
That's honestly the biggest turn off for me.
It surprises me that almost no one talks about that.
A high ranked players casual will likely feel like try harding to a normal player though.
@eonstar One could still try to hold back a little. And don't get me wrong, I'm not expecting a win out of every battle. That would be boring.
But is it too much to ask to not play like one is on a tournament or something?
And that on... EVERY. SINGLE. MATCH!
It's people like these, that ruin the fun in Turf War!
Of course, this won't ruin the game as a whole, but it's still really annoying.
I sort of agree, but you can’t really get mad at the game for having lots of good players.
tbh I have maybe played turf war a total of 3 times (not including splat fest) now that there is a casual ranked mode Im surprised more people don't use that to sweat in. Let the turf war peeps be
@stxrryreallysucks Ouch... ><
Good that I stay away from ranked.
It really can't get any worse.
As weird as this might sound, the fact that you *can't* rank down is one of the reasons i've been holding off on trying ranked: if i happen to reach a rank i'm not actually ready for, i'd be stuck facing loss after loss as i keep getting destroyed by players *much* more skilled than i am(and i already have self-esteem issues)
you are able to rank down
@@pixiehunter5724 does that apply to all the ranks?(and can it be done manually?)
@@s12y6o24You can reset your rank
@@s12y6o24 yeah, but only once each season
You can do it yourself manually, but only once each season. I wonder why only once?
4:22 no wonder I got sniped while behind a wall once 💀
Once?
@@d.rinrin fair point, more than once I’d say
Great video. Leading up to Splatoon 3, my entire friend group and some other creators I play with were SO excited for the game's release. The test fire preview event was super fun, and everything about the game looked great. But it's reason #2, the netcode, that everyone I know stopped playing pretty quickly. CONSTANT disconnects at launch. They did a lot to fix that issue, so there was hope. But the more everyone played, the more we realized bad netcode, sketchy p2p connections, and a tick rate slower than Splatoon 1 (yep, S1 had a higher tick rate!) were issues we saw in nearly every single match. I had real ambition to put a team together and be a part of this game's community for the 2 years the game would be supported, but me and everyone I know stopped investing time into the game once we realized the network issues were everywhere and not going to be fixed. S3 was one of the most disappointed gaming experiences, and I just hope we get a truly good game in this series from Nintendo at some point.
I do understand why Nintendo doesn’t add actual servers. But I don’t understand why Nintendo doesn’t just add a lot of highly requested features like more kits or custom game mode options for Private Battles. Basically things that modders could add in mere hours or days. There are so many ways to add a lot of fun content while not having to sacrifice a lot of resources.
One thing that I think is missed, at least around 1:46, is that the high grind rates don’t just deter NEW players from playing - they can even burn out OLD players from playing, like they did for me.
I wish they had the option to play the ranked modes as...well unranked, you know a casual Tower, a casual Rainmaker, etc etc, it feels bleh when I'm not in the mood for ranked and just wanna play casually but my casual option is Turf War which can be more annoying than some ranked modes even.
I also wish Challenges was a permanent game mode that maybe just rotated what the challenge was instead of appearing for like 2 days when everyone is asleep or at work/school then disappearing to who knows where for a week or two before reappearing again while everyone is asleep or busy like really...
Wow, someone who finally managed to keep my attention with an abundance of factual presentation and lack of non-related nonsense which is definitely uncommon for ten minute videos on this platform. Kudos and here’s a subscriber ✌️
If the dev team was even slightly competent and aware, we would have gotten at least a few of these issues addressed by now.
It's been almost a year, and nothing has happened.
If you're referring to the server stuff, I'm fairly certain that's not one of their decisions.
@@squiddu The map design, balancing and lack of new content on the other hand…
most the devs working on zelda, mario, and pikmin. they left splatoon 3 to die lol
@@hAze_the_shrimp TOTK and Pikmin 4 are complete, and SMB Wonder is around the corner.
Those troglodytes have *no* excuses.
@@platy4700 they dont now lol
I think a missed opportunity would be some kind of Team Free for All lobbies, where the game lasts indefinitely and where you can join and leave and have your fun (something like diep io 2 teams mode)
I was the squeezer in one of your clips.I agree that they should have made x rank s+10 I’ve had a lot of matches where some people just look like they are throwing but they are generally trying their best they’re just being matched with 2000-2200 people when they might be 1800 I don’t really think it’s fair on them. That’s especially why I always thought league battle SHOULD have made a comeback because I’m a competitive player and I understand how frustrating it can be to go into open and just get a whole team just sweating their absolute balls off against casual player it’s demotivating. That’s why I thought league battles could be for sweats and open for more fun casual play but instead we got challenge battles which is another story in itself
I didn't think so many others agreed. This whole time I Ive been wanting to say that the third game just hasn't been hitting the same as it used to, but I was worried maybe it was just me or that so many people would attack me for it...thinking about it now, the new maps have been killing my interest a lot, I miss the chaotic freedom and gorilla warfare style play we used to have. I love splatoon and always have since 1, but this time something about it just ain't it.
Gonna be honest, I think another big reason as of why the game is falling off is cause it gets so repetitive so quickly. I'm honestly surprised that some of my comp splatty friends still play the game regularly cause its just gotten so boring and stale for me. At this point I'm just waiting for the dlc to drop or for Nintendo to release a new weapon that I wanna try out.
The seasonal weapon drop really doesn't work tbh, kills all the fun. Splat 1 & 2's update cycles were way more engaging.
Same
@@shame2189 I totally agree. Waiting 3 months just for like 5 weapons isn't worth it. They should've done what they did with the splatoon 1 and 2 weapons and drop a new one each week.
@@pitchercheer7638I think what made Splatoon 2's updates work is that content dropped each week, then a MASSIVE update launched each month, larger than any of Splatoon 3 updates.
Splatoon 2 also had way more balance adjustments, buffs and nerfs which although they could be drastic, imo they helped keep the game fresh and allowed the meta to be distinct from one another. Triple Splash in S3 lasted for like 6 months and multiple updates and Splash is still not 210p.
enjoying Splatoon 3's new weapons and content is also very difficult for casual players unless you invest a lot of time into the game because of how long it takes to get a sheldon license, forces you to play weapons you don't like first to enjoy the new content
Somehow, I just stopped because my shyness increased in splatoon 3. In splatoon 2 I was always having the cool personality and now I don't wanna join a friend's private battle. I miss the time when I was always glitching with my friends-
Halfway through chill season I just took a massive break. And I barely played fresh season. I guess I was just super busy at that time but even with the extra time I had I just didn’t play. I’m only starting to play and grind a bunch in sizzle season, but even then, I still missed out on a lot
I agree grinding to level ten can be hard if your a fresh new player and not just the matchmaking in X rank is bad the matchmaking in turf war and anarchy open are really janky. The whole you have to work all the way to level ten to get to ranked shows why people think that turf war is the ONLY mode in splatoon it’s really sad but i really saw splat three dying because of all of these reasons when the game came out…
Getting to X rank is super hard. Especially with all the disconnects.
@@frodo-baggins420yeah for some reason i never stuggle with DCs but x rank can be real hard
After putting over 5000 hours in Splatoon 2, now I play 3 only on splatfests, and the online lag is HORRIBLE
When I think about this I think about Splatoon’s successful launch on the Wii U, better map design, collaborations, better servers (for its time); Was something that made the game refreshing and never stale when new weapons/maps/splatfests came out, but ever since Nintendo started making Splatoon to be competitive heavy, the game became one sided for Competitive players, forgetting about the other audience, giving For Fun players nothing to do. I think Challenge mode is really fun but only lasting for a few hours just sucks, cause most people are busy with other things to participate.
Another big thing thats dropping off old players right now is factors outside of the game itself. MANY of the players of Splatoon are artists and creators, drawn to the game because of its funky and off-the-beaten-path style! unfortunately, since the economy is suffering, many players cant find time to play around how overworked they are. I pop in for about an hour during events and thats pretty much it these days, just because FOMO is exhausting- and so is work. If my silly funny video game feels more like work than my *actual work*, i dont want to play it. the sheer amount of time and effort that has to be put in to "get your dailies" is stupid. if i cant get set up, get all my daily stuff, and move on to having fun in 3 minutes or less? i have no desire to devote the one hour of video game time i have in an average day to playing splatoon and nothing but.
As an adult, $20 a year for online gaming entertainment is very convenient. Nothing beats free, but if I did have to pay, this is on the cheaper end for a yearly service that I have ever seen. Xbox and Playstation charge $60 minimum. And I bet most adults spend $15 to $20+ daily on food alone, whether to feed themselves or their family
Im not complaining about the price at all. Could the online service be better? Of course it can. Maybe its just the switch hardware and software starting to be outdated compared to industry standard, aswell as the lack of dedicated servers, which I heard costs a fortune to set up and keep running. Shouldnt be a problem for Nintendo I suppose.
First im going to talk about the bad things about this game (some of it is only my opinion by my experiences with the game)
One thing that got worse from Splatoon 2 is that you can't stay in the home menu while waiting for matches or in spectator mode because in Splatoon 3 it disconnects you after around 10 seconds which with people not being able to join private battles while in a match (which got changed with the last update), the poor netcode and people disconnecting before the start causing a lobby crash made them literally unplayable.
Also the things you said like the terrible maps (tetris blocks), the netcode/online connection that doesn't function well and the not existing matchmaking (which i often jokingly call rng system) made the game just feel bad and way worse than Splatoon 2. And for the events, Splatfest just try to ruin fun sometimes because of the not existing matchmaking and being forced to play turf war instead of good modes and having only a single map rotation with the option to play turf with Splatoon 2 X rank point system. Eggstra work for me just gets boring way too quick and should in my opinion just be a second rotation instead of an event and it has the terrible reward system of Big Run which only gives the top 5% the reward that it feels worth grinding for (and I say that while getting in all Big Runs and 1 Eggstrawork gold the other Eggstrawork silver). Big Run is like the only good event and now with double scales it's just even better, but the reward system makes it just worse than it should be. Challenges are a fun idea but are for some reason just very limited time which is stupid nonsense and it makes challenges just way worse than they could be.
Now to the good things about the game
The story Mode is great and was fun to play, the special weapon design got way better than in Splatoon 2 and Salmon Run got fun maps, is now always playable and the king Salmonids got added. The balancing also starts to get better (with a few small exceptions)
Thanks to anyone who took the time to read this
I second this a lot. I have many other gripes with this game tho.
Here is the TL;DR - This game just turned out to be hyper-competitive and overall FOMO without giving lasting reasons for coming back and giving new/casual/players that prefer to play the game their own way a reason to continue.
I am not looking forward to updates because the 3 month gap makes me lose interest knowing we only have 2 years worth of content updates. Which gets me less excited or hopeful that things will change. Feels like the game is being neglected and not only is it lacking new content, it is constantly making mistakes on what made the game fun in the 1st place.
Give players that don't like competitiveness a CHOICE. I don't want the only fun of the game to be competitive. Not everyone will get to be top players (in fact MANY will be left out because you HAVE TO HAVE people at the bottom for others to stay on top). Not to mention I always preferred to play casually and just don't care to play ranked for the position, but to enjoy the fun modes. And that is being ruined too because the maps are not open enough for people to not have to confront others all the time (in other words, less strategizing and more skill based). This pressure to be good in order to progress is irritating and makes me want to play less. I can grow as a player if I have the opportunity to learn from mistakes and experiment. I can't have that when everything is overly competitive and the game keeps disconnecting/having issues.
The FOMO is absolutely unnecessary all the time for a game to be attractive. You can have it as a side-gig to make people compelled to play every day, but it should NOT be the main reason for you to play the game. That is just telling me you don't care enough to put actual content that is engaging and that can last more than 2 years of content updates. If the main motivation for splatoon now is competitive with limited time content being pushed and not leaving people who don't have the time, patience and/or willingness to just check out boxes, then it is doomed for the long run. Mostly because this game is supposed to be a game that endures and can be played again later on.
I got it early mostly because of splatfests, but I am sorely disappointed. I will not say it isn't better in other ways like taking off limited-time salmon run and balancing out the weapons overall, but what value does this game have for resale now that 9 months have passed? People should already have the game and new players would lose interest at first sight when they know how much lost "content" (aka fun events and collectibles) they lost that could be earned, but instead are now locked under RNG.
If you reached this far, I also thank you for hearing me out 😊
ive had a game where we were so close to winning but all 7 other people disconnected because of just one person that disconnected first, so i guess this is valid advice
This video is well made and the ideas are well presented, so i liked the video.
I play quite a bit of the competitive side and its amazing to see these issues adressed.
Personally my issues are the maps (apparently in an interview the devs said they know people are complaining but won't change them because the maps are designed to "induce more fights"), the matchmaking (I always struggle to find matches in X rank, even S when I have to get back up) and the content flow.
I simply dont feel the content to be enough, 10 months into the game's projected 2 year life span and a sizeable chunk of the weapons don't have second loadouts is ridiculous.
I had the game gifted to me on release and played it quite a lot. I nearly filled out the first catalog.
This was filled with the dread of constant disconnects, dying to shots through the wall and overall a lot of it just *wasn't a good time* because I was a new player in a sea of Splatoon veterans. Without skill-based matchmaking in turf wars, I was just getting my butt handed to me on a silver platter constantly, and with the barrier of entry to ranked being so high, it felt atrocious to even get to that point.
Eventually, I did get to that point! Only to find out that the matchmaking there was as bad as everywhere else. People from all sorts of ranks were allowed to go together, turning it into a hellish experience even there. On top of that, I have a slight disability, and to find out there's absolutely no accomodation for that within the game (because I can't use motion controls without it hurting like hell after a few minutes) was... well, sad really. The stick controls are so much worse than *just* motion controls, and it wouldn't even be that big of a problem but for SOME ASININE REASON, you're not allowed to use the right stick to go up and down without turning off motion, which could've alleviated a bit for me as I can handle slight bits. Just not, yknow, constant. Not that it matters, because the desyncing of the gyro sensor happens nearly constantly with the game as well, making it less of a fight against the opponent and more of a fight against my controller. In a lot of games, I can usually find little holes I can poke through to find a role within a team, but Splatoon 3's map design is just so linear. Often times I'd want to sneak through somewhere and I couldn't. This is why I loved the Ninja Squid ability. It would let me play a little outside of the boxed design, but even that doesn't work because the netcode will sometimes accidentally reveal your character by placing them outside of ink. Nothing works here.
So to me who didn't even bother *trying* to get into S-Rank, the fact that they made X Battles more accessible feels incredibly stupid. It's a really hollow attempt at making a larger chunk of the playerbase feel better about their performance while not addressing actual problems.
After exploding from absolute nothingness several times in a row due to someone else's lag during a splatfest, I eventually took the game out of my switch and just... never played it again. It's sad too, because I honestly enjoyed it. sometimes. when it wasn't a fight against the switch itself, or the shitty p2p netcode at 16hz. The game is riddled with retention boosters like the catalog, timed events and just how arduous it is to grind everything, I would want... It wasn't worth it. It wasn't worth dozens upon dozens of hours of frustration just to look a bit nicer in a game I didn't even want to play for 90% of that time.
As a very casual player who is easily intimidated by competitive players, I really wanna see more fun things you can do with friends. I know it's a shooter, but you can tell they also hold friendship in high regrards. I wish when taking pictures, you could actually pose with friends instead of using the throwing motion and jumping. It's also a super minisucule detail, but I wanna be able to see the other team preform booyeah and ouch.
I was a casual splatoon player in 2. I got to A+ rank, got only 1 *, and loved salmon run. Like I LOVED SR.
The fall off from 2 to 3 is crazy. Content wise 3 is superior but to me, gameplay wise I prefer 2. I enjoy the maps better. That's really the meat and potatoes of it for me. I havent played splatoon 3 since OCTOBER bc I just didn't love the game like I loved splatoon 2. I had 900hrs in splatoon 2 and I'm pretty sure I have only 250 in 3 most of which being story mode trying to finish after alterna and then having some fun in SR.
I think another issue that's ongoing for me is that as an adult I gotta work lol I miss out on so much of the "content" (challenges, big run, eggstra work and splat fests) because they're all on the weekends. I work 10hr shifts on the weekends, I can't just miss work to play splatfests or big run. I have a family to provide for. It just sucks. Splatoon in general alienates their adult players with that format imo. It should just be a week long event with ranked modes included. Nintendo needs to get it together
As someone who plays a supper agro weapon, the lack of flanks is really noticeable and rmakes games a lot less fun. Every now and then I’ll lose a game and think to myself: “of course I lost, I rushed in when I should’ve flanked” then I see the results screen map and it’s just: “oh yeah, there aren’t any flanks”
i actually noticed less people are playing, granted, there is an update coming up so people are holding out as to not get burnt out on the game, but queueing times are 3x as long for regular turf war with waiting over 100 seconds being the norm and its pretty sad. i just hope this update helps the game desperately
Competitively speaking, the game is complete garbage right now and that pains me to say that since Splatoon's been a massive part of my life since 2015. I still love all the characters, the lore and just the overall aesthetic of the game but playing it online is the most miserable experience for a multitude of reasons...it's a joke how bad it is. I installed earlier this month and my depression level has gone down drastically.
Y’all should go back to those games that make you pay 24.99$ for their version of a “catalog”. Don’t make Nintendo kick themselves for not making mad money off of this like every other game has.
I’ll always respect how non predatory this game is. Every other game seems to be out for your wallet then anything else.
ive been getting into the game for the first time recently and i will say my main problem at first was the fact that i was just getting destroyed because the only people i got to play against were like maxed out full gear with good ass weapons and im just trying to figure out what im even doing i understand there probably isnt many new players but i wish they made a better effort at matching people against people around my level and not these people that have played everyday for the past year
I downloaded the game a few days ago. I had been playing Splatoon 2 for a year after release before I moved on to other things, so when I bought the new game I was excited to see what had changed. It was super confusing to get into, but I ignored that and decided to play some turf war after not playing in 5 years. Played. 10 matches, got wiped by X and S rank players when I had no clue what I was doing at all. I had SO many issues with connection that I had a very miserable time. The game is quite a hot mess and I am super disappointed at this to be honest.
I think the XP thing as the first point (reaching level 10 for newbies) is due to how to XP works in splat3 than splat2, since splat2 had done pretty well when it came to unlocking ranked in the previous game
yeah I agree, in S3 it takes longer for some reason
I think quitting updates to Splatoon 2 has dealt considerable damage to the Splatoon franchise’s popularity. They should have just kept updating 2 and adding more expansions until the Switch got phased out for the next big console.
And the lack of side order news. Like we haven’t heard anything about it in 6 months. I’ve seen so many people that already forgot about it or don’t even care anymore. Nintendo is really shoveling their own grave💀
I find it weird that they announced the DLC and took our money for it so early - and now crickets for a year? And it's not coming until December? Or later? Like what?
I hate how they think smaller stages mean more fun. They literally went backwards with it. And brella. They thunk shooters are more deserving of buffs than brella
Ill pitch in that, as a two+ year participant in competitive Splatoon, my experience eroded away into, not being simply outplayed on a broad spectrum, but that of being stuffed out as an aggressive player, yes, like you described, not allowed to do flanks or plays away from my team. I main a weapon (blaster) that cannot fight head to head with more standard weapons and prepared teams. But thats all i was forced to do. Despite all effort, I wasnt improving, and I needed to hit a skill floor even more drastically high then i ever was to compete. And it crushed my heart to put the game down for such superficial reasons.
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I’m very new to this game, so to me this whole world seems new. I’m excited to improve :)
Turf War is frustrating to play where your projectiles get randomly deleted even though it looks like you got clean hits.
Salmon Run rewards are mediocore. Rates too rare that requires months of nonstop grinding with friends (oh wait) just to get enough golds with no exchanges.
Catalog rewards for Salmon Run are also a slog compared to other modes, and if you keep wiping at wave 1, it then becomes a frustrating experience.
It also punishes you, regardless if someone did a baby rage quit or DC'd.
Ranked is too restrictive, and slaps you with demotion resets when a season ends.
Challenges? [LUL]
Catalog has FOMO gear, but everything else goes to shell out when that ends with seemingly no way to attain said FOMO gear.
Shell Out costs 30,000 per pull aside from your daily pull or conch shells (which goes away after a splatfest ends regardless of if you used them or not.) and completionists and collectionists would grovel over how poop the RNG is.
Not everyone can complete After Alterna (due to rails being a skill check.) and thus a piece of gear, badge, and title is locked out. Honestly there should be an "Alterna"tive to this unlockable content or have this extra level have checkpoints so it doesn't become a 3 hour grind of pure BS regarding a balloon living by 1 HP because of spitball RNG on top of being unable to backtrack. It's either ride the rail or die.
Badge system feels useless to me, and limited distributed badges just generated a toxic hellhole to boot.
Events have this big RNG where the toxic soreness gets cranked up to 11 on top of having gold quota kept hidden until the last second, making it feel like you got ripped off after investing so much time into it. Threshold golds are a much more realistic solution.
For a game that wants to appeal to casuals... it does EVERYTHING in its power to punish them at every turn.
i just got the game after waiting almost a year and i've been having fun but now i'm worried 😭 i did get a bunch of sweats in some of my matches and im almost level 10 but maxing out gear seems super overwhelming
Map design is a big issue for me. In splatoon 2 i used to flank a lot, but in splatoon 3 i see barely any opportunities to do so, so ive had to change my playstyle
Another thing that sucks is splatfests and community I feel like there are a lot more arguments surrounding splatoon nowadays maybe because it has a older audience now who have more access to social media but I have been seeing a lot of people posting hateful things about other players and just generally getting into arguments yeah this will happen in any online space but the way it’s gotten a lot more common in the splatoon community isn’t good as for splatfests it just makes this situation worse because of the mix of competitive and casual players it really just messes stuff up even more especially with there now being 3 teams I wouldn’t doubt that the community has driven people away at times and I see stuff getting pretty heated around splatfests especially with the recent love vs money vs fame fest splatoon online spaces have just been hell I just wanna see fun content not people arguing constantly
they taking too long to make updates and give new stuff and remove time restraints
in splatoon 2, if a player got kicked the server would continue running but for some reason they decided for splatoon 3 that if ONE PERSON disconnects the ENTIRE server shuts down, which makes people rage and log off.
3 things that made me drop Splatoon 3 personally were the grunge soundtracks, the bad level designs/rotations in the game & worst of all being the removal of Shifty Station; killing all the hype I had for splatfests because their incorporating mechanics from the single player campaign into multiplayer situations.
While Splatoon 2 had many issues I found it more enjoyable and played much longer(better OST, better maps, better idols, etc) than 3 as 2 felt like a true sequel to 1 whereas 3 introduced not much for meaningful additions that felt like a 3rd installment and for whatever reason Octolings STILL HAVE LESS STYLES THAN INKLINGS. Just why Nintendo?
its sad that Splatoon dying off is only a problem in America
GENUINELY not saying that out of any negative place, they literally just only market it in Japan and the playerbase is still going strong over there. They even had Baskin Robbins Splatoon flavors that were exclusive to Japan.. Lol, and all the tournaments and merch they have that's exclusive as well. I'd love to see the love shared a little
I feel like the Splatoon Nintendo Team either
> consists of like 6 people
> consists of incompetent people
or > consists of people who are underpaid
like what the f
I'm currently playing my last Splatfest before my college years and for an overwhelming majority of all my matches, I'm matched either with custom teams or awful teammates. Aggravating
Same, it’s pretty annoying. during the splatfest i lost 70% of my matches because of the bad matchmaking. it wasn’t fun so i stopped playing midst the splatfest
You can tell this is the Animal Crossing: New Horizons dev team, and I don’t mean that as a positive.
The maps and matchmaking are the biggest thing I noticed as a turf wars lover and
it makes Splatoon 3 feel so bad in comparison to Splatoon 2 as someone who plays at a casual level
So many of these maps feel so trapped with no ways to flank, and one way drop areas with no inkable walls and then combined with me starting the game for the first time and days of constantly in matches with players with all their gear and abilities minmaxed its like wtf
It's like night and day when I stop playing these some of cramped to heck maps and get to play on something like Flounder Heights, Mako Mart, Manta Maria and realize wow these are so much more fun in comparison now
I'm surprised people are okay with the rotation system. 2 maps every 2 hours just makes me get bored of playing after a few matches
If side order needs to be released when things like map design are fixed that way the new surge in popularity will also see that the game has improved
But we all know thats not going to happen
I feel like something that bothers me SO much but nobody really talks about, is the THEME of the maps. in the first two games, I felt like I was in the buildings or environments the game told me I was in! there was decoration, themeing, layouts, etc. but now? its just the same wooden or plain colored floor, random uninkable walls, the same layouts, with NO decorations or theming. its just sad to play.
"outdated peer to peer"
me, a fighting game addict
Hey! Loved the video, it really shows the lacking parts in Splatoon 3 and I totally agree. I did wonder, what music did you use starting at at 2:10 ? It sounds like “Shellfie” but when I keep listening it sounds like a remix. Or maybe it is just the normal song and I am hearing things.. 😛
the song is indeed shellfie
I feel like the map design plays a major part in this due to how much of a slog they can be
I think a problem are the challenges and the 2-hour time they're in. Why not make it a weekend thing like Big Run or Splatfests.
I'm not the type of player who usually gets into online multiplayer games, but Splatoon 1 was one of my most heavily played games ever, literally just me playing Turf War for over 1,000 hours. I played Splatoon 2 for hundreds of hours as well. Splatoon 3, I haven't played in months, not even the last couple Splatfests, which I used to religiously show up for. It really makes me sad, because I still think the game is cool and fun, but I don't feel the same draw as the first game. I really miss the original line up of specials, and I think your points about the map design pushing you into more aggressive play probably applies too. When I bought the game and told it to carry over my experience from 2 into the matchmaking, I immediately regretted it, because I feel constantly outclassed every single time I play, and I get frustrated super quickly. At this point, I'm just waiting for the new single player content.
Oh and also the Sp1 themed DLC was kinda trash lol, you'd think you could at least get a squid sisters news show if you're in Inkopolis.
Since I played in Splatoon 2 and got some stuff for playing it and started playing Splatoon 3 I was able to start ranked match no matter my level, so seeing lv.10 in order to join ranked was a wow to me.
Another problem is the catolog, i half quit because of how hard it is for me to grind just because of catalog exclusive rewards. idk if they will come back but that not being specified is a big problem.
TLDR: Catalog too similar to battle pass
I had a goal last season to reach rank x top500 only because I wanted the badge, but I became really frustrated after reaching 2200 as an octobrush main, really felt like I had to perform perfectly each game or I would be throwing the game because the maps are so frustrating sometimes😭
This season it`s even worse to get Top 500 because if you don`t play Nzap or Splattershot it takes so long to get a match even with only 2000 power
to be honest, the online subscription is the only reason I'm still playing splatoon 1. I could justify 60$ if I knew I'd have it forever, but I'm not paying 20$ more a year just so I can rent an upgraded version of 1 game.
and no, the campaign doesn't make a difference to me since I already pirated and beat it lol
Personally for me, I started the series on splatoon 1 as a kid when I first got my Wii U Instantly fell in love with it (I was garbage) and the world Nintendo made and when they announced splatoon 2 I lost my shit. Dude the jump from splatoon 1 too 2 was so great, not only the graphics where amazing but they added so much more to the game new mechanics new modes etc etc. Going back to play splatoon 1 feels like a different game to 2. However when 3 came out I didn’t really get the same hype as 2, I don’t know if it’s me just getting older but in my honest opinion it just lacked in content. People enjoyed the story mode of splatoon 3 but I really disliked it, the areas was plain and simple and the story was alright but wasn’t as fulfilling as 2 or 1 to me. 3 just felt like a more tweaked and competitive 2 then anything. Maybe it’s because it’s the same hardware and yes I know splatoon 2 was on switch and that obviously meant more things could be done but damn bro splatoon 3 really just felt empty
I got so tired to grind the catalogue tbh..
fr tho they need to make it so EXP boost food buffs can affect your catalogue level. it would also help players not get burnt out so easily, and prevent them from getting discouraged due to missing catalogue rewards they really wanted. getting them from the gacha machine just isnt enough.
Same
3:14 this kind of system is called listen server, where there TECHNICALLY is a server but the server is running the client software as well (leading essentially to what you are calling "host" here).
This is not peer to peer. An example of definition perfect p2p is Smash Ultimate's quickplay, where there is no server software running on either player (OR that ALL players are running the server software, depends on the implementation but without the source code it is hard to confirm).
First off, just wanted to say great video!
In terms of problems with Splatoon, my biggest issue with the game ties back into what you were talking about for matchingmaking but from a more casual perspective. The fact that Turf war is the only true casual PvP game mode (especially after they basically turned Anarchy Open into League) is honestly a huge problem imo. Ideally, from my perspective when they added Challenges they should have kept their idea for timed PvP competitions. However, they should have added a full always on rotation game mode with these fun mode ideas and it used the fresh meter like in turf war.
Personally, because of the competitive nature and awkward timing of Challenges, I haven't played over half the game modes because honestly it's just frustrating playing against people that play PvP nonstop. Before someone says it, yes it is a skill issue on a personal level. However, I think Nintendo skill capping the few pieces of fresh content for pvp in the game combined with their awful matchmaking just makes PvP hard to play in the game from a casual and new player perspective compared to other "competitive" shooter games like Fortnite, Overwatch, or even Valorant. As a casual or new player in those games it feels like you're getting matched appropriately and actually have a chance to learn how to play the game before getting matched up against people that play tournaments or have been grinding PvP since day 1.
My second biggest problem with Splatoon 3 is Splatfest and the communities interaction with the event. For Splatfest, it seems like any semblance of matchmaking just gets thrown out the window and most games end up in a definite win or loss in the first 20 seconds. However, this is the time where most casual players will come out of retirement to play the game and imo when matchmaking should be operating at its best rather than at its worst. Not to mention that on Twitter before, during, and after each Splatfest, there's always some crazy scandal or bad publicity going on between players/teams and just overall negativity. The reason I bring this up because I've noticed large general Nintendo streamers (1000+ avg twitch viewers and 1M+ YT subscribers) talking about how they had planned on streaming and making content for Splatoon occasionally (some example of plans I heard a weekly Splatoon streams, splatfest streams, and new update streams and videos) but have had such a bad impression with it casually due to Splatfest and seeing Splatoon Twitter have monthly meltdowns that they completely reversed their plans on covering the game. As someone who got into Splatoon from watching creators like these try the game out during launch, it's a whole lot of free publicly that the game is missing out on.
After mentioning so much negativity around the game, I do want to say that I appreciate Salmon Run. Idk if there's different teams working on Salmon Run and PvP but if they are, the PvP team need to ask the Salmon Run team for feedback. It's like night and day between the two halves of the online experience. For starters, I have rarely seen disconnects in Salmon Run and when they do happen, the game adjusts to fit having less players.
Second, When there are issues that players are complaining about (egg lag, frame drops at high evp, no freelance in eggstrawork) the developers actually listened and tried to make changes to fix what they could given the online P2P limitations and switch hardware to lessen the impact compared to the mostly silent treatment about core issues in PvP that people have mentioned since the game launched last year.
Lastly, in terms of skill required to play, the learning curve is so much friendlier for people that want to play at any level. Want to be a pure casual or just starting out? Cool there's meaningful ranks you can be in for that experience
Want to sweat or try overfishing? Cool you can grind up to high hazard levels or even go for 9s if you're good enough. All the time getting matched randomly with people at similar levels to you. No matter your skill level progression feels meaningful
Ironically, the most frustrating part of Salmon Run for me is tied back to PvP. The fact that the lobbies reset with the PvP rotations. I've lost so many amazing freelance lobbies due to PvP rotations dumping us all back out into the Grizzco hub. However, we can't always get what we want I guess lol
It just seems that a lot more care goes into Salmon Run than PvP which is a bit sad since most people naturally gravitate towards PvP first and give up on the game before seeing how great other aspects of the game are like the Story mode and Salmon Run
Splatoon is just bad now. Maybe if the devs actually made challenges more often, eggstrawork 1 week long and happen at least once a month, add actually decent maps, finally give us a new ranked mode and if squid disters did the news in DlC, if Nintendo brought back Squid jump for ppl who PAID for it and if they finally added a real NEW mode for regular online.
Salmon Run is carrying splatoon right now and even so its not something everyone enjoys. Tableturf is totally irrelevant and could easily be made into something better, and should also be on mobile
This next update might be the devs last opportunity to save the game before it actually becomes like most other shooters and truly dues.
it's incredible how the 20 dollars a year that i thought were for going towards maintaining servers turned out to be totally false. we're paying for a service that is not just low-quality, but also lacks actual servers?? what are we paying for then?
and i'm glad someone else pointed out the lack of content. i miss squid beatz dearly (i liked the jukebox addition, but it doesn't really feel like enough) and the catalog just feels like a frustrating chore to slog through. i really wish more care was put into this game, i've been playing since the very first splatfest in splatoon 1 and the previous games were so creative and innovating!! they did a great job with both the previous games and actually listened to the community :]
i still have fun playing splatoon 3, but it feels like i just keep getting disappointed when it comes to this game :(
im only lvl 16 and just lost 5 games in a row to fully kited sweats in turf war, like how tf did i lose a match against 3 chargers and a Explosher in TURF WAR. Like I'm just trying to have casual fun T_T
what sucks about community feedback is that a large part of the community speaks an entirely different language than the developers in japan
ive found it increasingly difficult to find an x rank game, it always says not enough players and after like 7 mins of queue times it works but i get put against a team of a much higher skill level than my own, im not the best player but it doesnt help when i get teammates who take the rainmaker to our checkpoint when im shouting 'this way' at them at the opponents checkpoint. my biggest problem is with the matchmaking system and the map design, the maps need to stop being so catered towards campy weapons like the splatlings and snipers and add more variety, its made the game much more aggressive to a lot of players, they also need to stop bringing out weapons that are completely imbalanced compared to other weapons and actually focus on fixing the balancing issues between weapons from, their damage amounts to the specials. this is combined with the really bad map design and matchmaking that makes it harder when it gives you 2 or 3 snipers on your team. the game has too many issues and the next content update should add new stuff but primarily balance the game more, change map designs, and overhaul the matchmaking process. id be completely fine if it took them a while to do it and actually get stuff done instead of rushing an update through because NEW CONTENT. it feels almost as if the game is already slowing to a complete stop and i further think after the dlc the updates could possibly get smaller and more spread out. they need to take some careful time with it and maybe actually play the game theyve made haha
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