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If you spoke German like myself & had talked to former Nazi mainly Women from the former national-socialist Women's league/Nationalsozialistische Frauenschaft you would realize the German really haven't changed deep down. All the Germans need to happen is their economy slumps or their ways of life are threated by say millions of migrants like Angela Merkel allowed opening the flood gates to Europe Schengen zone & then it is only a matter of time till old German habits of genocide return. Trust me when the Germans have a mad 1/2 an hour they lose their minds becoming meth monsters. Adolph along with the party let alone the nation was high as kites on meth, cocaine & opiates. So you know 1/4 of Germans have used hard illicit drugs & in practice do not prevent or tackle their usage. Regular users include 1 in 10 Germans. As Germany living condition worsen they will turn to drugs till their economy collapses turning once again to world conquest with a 4th rather then a 2nd & 3rd Reich. The German People have not changed & trust me we Englishmen are saints in comparison. Better to have the forcing you to pay tax rather then a German scientist sterilizing you or vivisecting you which is life dissection. Britain's crown was just as cruel to the English as it was to the colonies for the average life span of English working class child in most of the Victorian age was 7 years of age. What a lot don't understand about England is it has been under occupation by the Normans since 1066 & it never ended. Our departed Queen & her son Charles ''the simpleton'' lineage are German & Austo-Hungarian. We English haven't ruled our own lands since Oliver Cromwell & 15% of the male population died in our English civil war seeing of 17 other mainly catholic nations. Read (The Secret People) by G. K. Chesterton. I recommend it for then you might understand we Englishmen & what we really think of those toffs that reign over us from the continent!
Well, 7 of my 8 great-grandparents are off the boat immigrants and the one that isn't, my family has the tree dating back to the 17th century. And then for one of those 7, it's officially documented that we're not only descended from a King of Poland, but THE King of Poland (Jan III Sobieski).
You cracked the code in your video, if people are happy, fed, and housed, they won't support crazy ideas and go to desperate measures. Fear usually is the driving factor of bad actions.
@OvertRevival 'merica. You can't make something great again when it was never great to begin with. All roads lead back to Rome but all religions lead back to kabbalah.
Mm, that's what the Romans did and they used the comfort of their people against them. Disaster and hunger brings desperate change. Look at the French and Russian revolutions. Contentment gives the government perfect opportunities to rear end and manipulate their people
The reparations plus the Great Depression crippled the economy. Resentment builds. A hard working and moral people are suddenly hungry and broke. There were reasons the Jews were not loved . If you have ever worked a service job and dealt with an older German woman you would understand. If you have ever worked with a Jewish American Princess you would understand why the Jews are not held in high regard.
I don't think Italy ever really apologized about their war time actions. And, honestly, they didn't actually do many majorly heinous things from what I've heard. They gave Jews to the Nazis, like everyone else in mainland Europe, and they invaded North Africa unprovoked, but that was a European pass time back then. The worst stuff the Italians did relative to other war powers were probably done to other Italians.
@@Jotari Also Vichy-France deported Juice to Germany. You can go to Italy in these das and buy a Mussolini or Hilter wine, you can buy swastikas, etc. In Germany, we can go to prison for 5 years if we do a Führer-salute, we are so reflected and critical about the stuff our ancestors did. But in the heads of many people, Germany is still the moustache man land, Italy is the land of pizza and Japan is the land of sushi and Anime.
Aaaaaaand of course, Britain, France and USA were never racist countries and they had no colonies of course and Russians never did purges! But Germany was sooo evil. Irony off* In the end, human beings are good and evil, doesn't matter where they come from. Greetings from GerMania!
My grandfather was part of the first group of US army soldiers stationed in Germany (he was literally on the train from Paris to Berlin when the cease fire happened). His CO told them they’d actually had the most dangerous job, because they’d have to fight against the German resistance who wanted revenge. Instead, he spent his tour guarding flour trucks against starving civilians. I think that really shaped his kind and caring nature- he became a teacher and spent his retirement years teaching ESL to refugees and watching their children.
@@masonsmith3452 if you mean "legendary" in terms of always having candy and toys for the kids, than yes! he was also famous in our family for being able to get any baby or toddler to fall asleep. we used to joke that if there was a child under 3 in the room, he'd be holding in 5 minutes and the kid would be asleep in 10
As a German I'd argue what killed the Nazi idiology in Germany was the generation after the war. The fact so many Nazis got away, the fact no one made excuses for Nazism on a large scale, the fact the blame was accepted early on, allowed the following generation to see, read and learn about the unfairness of the original nürenberg trials and they went to correct them.
@@Michael-YTCSAD And there’s the USA’s project paper clips that literally absolved Nazi scientists from their trials and willingly brought them to the US and gave them government jobs. Got to remember that the eugenics movement didn’t die with Hitler, it only rebranded.
@@belafrank9866 something like that is never truly gone, but i'd argue that the vast majority of afd voters aren't actually into nazism. the vast majority of afd voters are scared and feel like the afd is the only party actually listening to them.
@@Michael-YTCSAD 90% of post war juges in germany were the same as in the 3rd reich ....the western allies were more interested in gaining an ally agist the east at a certain point. That germans not slid back to real nazis (compared to highly nationalistic partys) was due to a clear sighn of things geting better with the marschal plan. You dont go radical when you have a contry to rebuild and its geting visible better.
As a German, I'd argue that change was also in part driven by the next generation, the "68er Bewegung". The people who lived during the Nazi era were all to happy to either sweep the atrocities under the rug, justify them as a necessary evil or openly contest that Germany was in the wrong altogether (people neither like being told, nor do they like to view themselves, as evil. No matter how heinous the crime, people will find a way to justify it to themselves if given the chance). However the next generation of Germans started asking questions and wouldnt take "it was just a war like any other" as an answer. They demanded complete denazification and antifacism and that we acknowledge our past. Another important bit was the economic miracle, as you said. Besides providing jobs, food and shelter for the people, the economic upturn was also a source of pride, which is more important than people might think. The treaty of Versailles for example, wasn't actually all that special or harsh when compared to other treaties of it's time (in terms of reperations). What really riled up the people wasn't the reperations but the "Kriegsschuldparagraph", the article about who's to blame for the war. The people thought it was insulting that Germany alone was blamed for WW1 (it was very much a group effort). Neutering the military, which was quite possiblly the main source of pride in such a militaristic society as impirial Germany, didn't go down well either.
That may romanticize that generation a tad. I think their major contribution was resenting their parents and taking it out on their kids by making pretty much everything in the kids' education about the Reich and how horrible it was. It worked at least thus far, so I'm not arguing. But the brunt of the actual dealing with the past was borne by those born starting in the mid 60s.
I do understand your point and agree on some part of it, but in my opinion and from what I know, the treaty of Versailles was really harsh. They were as you said solely blamed for the 1 world war and so they had to pay a humongous amount of money. And then the French decided to be petty and occupied the Rhur Valley, the industrial heart of Germany and the Great Depression arrived and basically with all this, the economy failed and everything went to hell. I understand and do agree on your point but I don’t think minimizing the effects and how bad the treaty of Versailles is a good argument because it’s a big factor that contributed to the resentment of the German people and to the election of Hitler.
That is what the 68er claim nowadays, but there is little to support this view. All the big Nazi trials happened before 1968, and if you analyze speeches of famous 68er figures you'll see that most of them had little interest in the Nazi past aside from trying to delegitimize their opponents.
7:27, I believe Hoover was a major humanitarian during WW1, responsible for supplying food to civilians, including in Germany and in the former Russian empire during their civil war. Regarding his efforts in Russia, he said something to the effect of “i don’t care if I’m feeding the Bolsheviks there are millions of people starving and someone needs to help them.” That’s probably why his input was so significant.
His work in Belgium supplying food to 9 million people is considered one of the most successful private humanitarian organization successes of all time
Hoover was a really great guy weirdly enough considering how terribly he handled the great depression. You'd think he was some heartless monster but really he tried his best, just that he was completely wrong about what needed to get done. He was originally nominated by the republicans because neither party could find a good candidate and he just happened to be fairly well liked. More tragic than unlikable
@@ffreeze9924It made sense considering what he succeeded at. His whole life story was a Libertarian "Leave the people alone and private charity of the rich will solve everything" success story, he merely applied that reasoning to how governments should be run.
@@jodhod1498 will you please shut up. Hoover was never in favor of government hands off laissez-faire economics. That’s a myth they repeat in history class. He pushed for and signed into law the most intrusive high tariff in American history at the worst possible time. Causing retaliatory tariffs on mass. He’s the one that advocated that businesses keep on employees even though that was an absolutely stupid move to attempt during an economic downturn. He was the one that pushed for big public works projects to stimulate growth which didn’t make a dent besides getting the government into more debt and making it even less trustworthy for bonds, dollars, and investment. FDR was a continuation and expansion of Hooverism. Edit: (sorry for sounding harsh)
@jodhod1498 Too bad the rich only act in their own self-interest. Charity is just a way for them to buy positive PR, and letting them take over the government has proven disastrous.
@@CantoniaCustoms Traction is gained but they're definitely not without backlash and opposition. Germany can hear the dog whistles and they seem to not be on board with it. From what I can tell a lot of it isn't so much growing popularity as much as it is a lot of the smaller right wing parties uniting under one bigger party.
I think 2 extremely important factors you left out were the Marshall Plan and the subsequent Berlin Airlift. It signalled that there was a future for Germany in co-operation with the west. It showed that not only did they have a common enemy, but that their new allies were willing to go above and beyond to help them despite the war just 3 years earlier. That their commitment to assisting Germany was not just for show but was real
"It signalled that there was a future for Germany in co-operation with the west." I grew up in Vietnam. When I was a kid, I heard all kinds of VN govn't 's propaganda. Germany was the West or at least a major part of the West...Here you are talking about Germany cooperating with the West.😄Just a different point of view!
the west is the reason nzism is coming back in german elites,what stopped it was the way the union acted after ww2 aka mercifully we still get ty letters to this day from family members of german citizens that soviets soldiers saved in berlin from under the ruble and assisted with food that and the constant work rus did to find relatives of ww 2 soldiers despite the side people were fighting from,the west on the other had sterilised 40% of the populace it took in.
Yeah, that or just to put a proud and fake ass display of the few "good" sides of capitalism right on USSR's doorstep. They didn't do it out the kindness of their heart. It was calculated, like their whole participation in the war.
I think there's a German word that translates as 'labour of remembrance' describing things like the Berlin Holocaust memorial and stolpersteins ('stumbling stones' - brass plaques placed on the pavement outside the homes of holocaust victims). While the Germans of the 40s, 50s, and 60s wanted to forget, later generations started to ask uncomfortable questions of their elders about what happened. It's an ongoing process. UPDATE: Reading some of the comments, I'm reminded of the line of Brecht's at the end of 'Cross of Iron': "Don't rejoice in his defeat, you men. For though the world stood up and stopped the bastard, The bitch that bore him is in heat again."
Anything outside alzimers or dementia. Germans from the 40s,50s,60s SHOULD remember because there parents started it and i don't want them repeating history's like it's famous for
You didn't mention the Montanunion, the idea to combine the heavy industry in France, Germany and the Benelux. The economic cooperation between France and Germany was a controversial new approach in both countries, but it worked out really well, it brought together the former arch enemies, and was the first step to what is now the European Union.
Considering they're rich now, I think this quote sums it up: "There is no profit to be made from the destruction of the world. It's very bad for business."
@thatmoonant4256who would've thought that not spending money on the extermination of random minorities saves money that can be exchanged for goods and services.
The key to de-radicalisation does end up being economic growth. Unhappiness is why we want change so making people not starve is how you prevent drastic change. The Weimar Republic was somewhat fine during the roaring twenties and the Nauis knew that they had to act in 1933 because the economy was recovering and once it had they might not have had another shot at seizing power. Note that I'm German so those are the examples I've been exposed to the most so I'm obviously biased and working with a small sample size but I still think it somewhat holds up
I'd like to dispute this, this is a theory that people radicalized simply because of the economy and that is simply wrong. It is a myth that people voted for the nazis because of the economy, it is a myth because it ignores everything that happened before it ignores the already existing Antisemitism, revancism and anti democratic tendencys, social trends of the time, wich played a large role such as whole classes out of class think voting fo the nazis, the support of the military an the industrialists for Hitler, the previous 3 unstable gouverments their internal squabbles and contradictory politics Brünning deliberately crashing his gouverment, cooperation of the conservatives with the nazis, the inability of the SPD to call for a general strike. Why else is it though the especially beamte on above the average voted for the NSDAP? After all even in times of economic crisis their jobs were safe.
@@SamAronowYou're right. A nations wealth is not necessarily the instigating factor in radicalisation; it's a very nuanced subject. That being said; economic hardship can definitely be, and often is, a contributing factor. The metrics by which you measure that would ideally be in terms of wealth distribution and economic stratification in addition to GDP/HDI/etc.
The rehabilitation of Germany can be described in two words: Marshal Plan. Improve people's lives and living conditions and they will stop being Nazis. This is kind of the opposite of what we did in Iraq and Afghanistan. We drop a bomb on a village to kill one terrorist and end up creating 10 more terrorists.
The defeat was intentionally made unambiguous. The allies did _not_ want another "Stab in the back" myth. They were actually pretty worried about someone managing to kill Hitler. Because that one might have surrendered early.
A major reason for the stabbed in the back mythos was the fact that Germany wasn’t occupied after the First World War. The entente forced Germany out of territory it had occupied but never marched into Germany itself. So the Germans did not feel like a truly defeated people, a d hence why the treaty of Versailles was such a shock to them.
@@dkupke Keep also in mind that the French deliberately fleeced Germany using that contract, probably as revenge for the war of 1870. A big part of the resentment came about because of that paper.
On a side note, it's funny that people talk up Operation Paperclip at the war's end as though we welcomed the German scientists with open arms, but in reality it was a lot closer to, "Ok, you can either come work for us and be under our watch for the rest of your lives as you build technology for America.....OR, we can hand you over to the Soviets that you spent the last four years developing weapons to kill and see how they treat you." It was really blackmail more than anything because they knew if they stayed anywhere near East Germany it was only a matter of time before they get shot.
They wouldn’t shoot them. The Soviets wanted the scientists to work for them too. It’s just they would be less “nice” about it. More than likely you’d be forced to live in a special unregistered city that you couldn’t leave while getting a healthy dose of Communist propaganda
@@robertortiz-wilson1588 Not really, the difference between Americans and Soviet program was that Americans gave them very prestigious jobs and very high positions in society, while the Soviets just used their knowledge for their own programme and then threw them in jail, which was obviously the better thing to do.
@@indranayak5506 not really, the soviets weren't able to capture the scientists. What they WERE able to capture were all of Germany's advanced rocketry labs and launch platforms and worked off of stolen notes. And let's be real, they wouldn't have thrown them in jail, they would've had them tortured until they died from it. As for those "high society" positions in America, it was the definition of a gilded cage.
Some of my friends were/are German, very rarely does the subject come up. When it does, they are hesitant and I can tell and have been told it is a dark mark on their history, something that they are not proud of. They are still proud to be German, just not good for their national conscience. They’re great friends and I never hesitate to help them if they need it.
I noticed this too, and I feel like the germans did something very different about how they talk about their history to their students compared to americans...I have met many americans that are almost proud of hiroshima, but have never met a german that was not regretful about their history.
@@corneliahanimann2173you also see brits happy about blowing uo germwn cities who use the blitz as a gotcha revenge excuse. You see Brits hating the Irish, Scottish, and Welsh and proud if their colonization. You see Japan proud of their past. You see Russians proud of rheir bad history. You see North Korwans hating the west. Germans are not proud of their history or any bad things they did unlike a LOT of countries histories. Germans are smart.
One thing you did not mention was that there was a politocal post war consensus. Adenauer and many other important politicians, especially social democrats, were people who were caged, fled or straight up put into concentration camps during the nazi regime, so their positions were often quite intensly anti-nazi. (To be fair, there were still Nazis even in Adenauer's close circle)
Isn’t it confounding? If it wasn’t for Bismarck who was the first successful social democrat there would never have been a German nation to begin with.
@@LlyleHunter i think you missed the part where bismarck wasn't a social-democrat but rather fought against the rise of it during the 1880s and even introduced the socialist-law
@@LlyleHunter if someone was a social-democrat they wouldn’t be praised as patriotic such as Karl Marx and Wilhelm Pieck, even the most atrocious people in history such as Mussolini and Hitler were raised as socialists well into their adulthood
The founder of the German FBI was ex SS general of the Eastern Front gehlen, he was installed in West Germany as Head of the bundesnachrichtendienst that was first known as operation gehlen. All in an attempt to combat the surge of communist support. This of course was not only tolerated but supported by the US, giving more credibility to the fascist nature of the US that still haunts us today. Besides that Germany has only recently started reckoning with it's post war nazi history this includes the fact that most cdu party functionaries were ex Nazis and that for a long time after the war most (75%) of the High Court jurists were also ex Nazis. Fun little addendum one of the first NATO generals was a nazi general with of course experience on the eastern front. Again proving that NATO is simply a modern day continuation of fascist imperialism.
My father was German, born in the 1930s. His early memories include the occupation. One thing to remember is that Germans knew that it was personally dangerous to defy or upset occupation forces. You don't tell the people with the guns the things that you really think, you tell them the things they want to hear. So there are certain biases that the descendants of Allied occupation forces heard from German civilians. The Western allies also had the silent threat of pointing to the Russians. "If you don't behave yourselves, we can leave and let *them* have at you.
Actions have consequences! germany has no wright to hold a so called "grudge" as the title of the video, the only reason they could hold a grudge as sour losers who lost a war that they started, so yall have no wright to hold anything against. The defeat of your own doing, its quite offensive if any did hold a grudge!
@@goodone5590the war had already begun when they placed sanctions and reparations on germany after ww1 everyone has a different perspective imagine yourself as a german after ww1 you’d be angry,depressed, struggling, and etc. not to mention germany offered to liberate 7 out of 9 countries it conquered and also offered to puppet poland keep danzig and a couple of french provinces in return of peace. Churchill decline which resulted in 40+ million deaths educate yourself before you play the blame game there are two sides to every argument.
Goddamn were the Russians that scary? How did the people even know about their atrocities you’d think the Germany government would cover it up so the people won’t get scared Also was it just German command that believed that Russia was a paper tiger or did the people also believe it because it probably would’ve been a shock to see the supposedly paper tiger defeat you
Holding a grudge is what got their country literally leveled with the ground. At a certain point of humiliation, pain and heartbreak, it's just not worth it anymore.
not to mention the more you appologize to people you consider allies, the more they realize they can take advantage of you. (I'm not referring to jews here, i'm referring to the ones who use anti-semetism as a fake cry)
The Soviet People did the vast majority of the fighting, won the war and, suffered the worst by far more than anyone in the war the Germans had it coming!
White Supremacy was a western ideal in 1946. White America was still very antisemitic and racist in the 1950s. Most of America hated Jews and dark skinned people for decades after World War II.
Like westren Europe wasn't military occupied by U.S after ww2 Till this day, a huge presence of U.S military is in Germany You aren't as free as you think you are
Napoleon didn’t split germany, he created the confederation of the rhine to administer some of the german states more effectively. The holy roman emperor who was emperor of austria as well, didn’t want napeleon to take the title, so he dissolved the holy roman empire
It shaped Europe. But I doubt, that it had some influence on the rest of the world. Because e.g. apartheid was still a big thing in Southafrica for a long time after WW2
Germany after WW2: God, never again. We were wrong. Please; please, let us not walk down that road again. Japan after WW2: *AND I WOULD HAVE GOTTEN AWAY WITH IT, TOO, IF IT WEREN'T FOR YOU MEDDLING KIDS!*
I don't know if it comes in the other videos but you sell Adenauer a little bit short here. He really did achieve something truely spectecular, he got a lot of conservatives in Germany who were more in favor to authoritarian regimes to accept democracy. While they still were conservative and some probably would have abandoned democracy a long and stable government push back against these forces.
I'm glad to see you glossing over the romanticized parts of this era and are instead focusing on the backroom dealing that is just as important in shaping the world.
He literally romanticized what happened with Poland, the Soviets kept part of the territory they stole when they invaded Poland together with the Nazis and then kept it and stole parts of Germany's territory and handed that to Poland.
The Us should should taken over the entire planet when it had the ability to do so They could have renamed the European countries to Germy Eggl and Fuga Oh and I almost forgot Ukrussia
@@IskelderonPoland and all the territory in Eastern Europe should be given back to Russia. Not sure why Gorbachev let some radicals steal oblasts that belonged to Russia for hundreds of years and still do.
@@ericlee5515 Russia should return the territories those thieving bastards stole when they invaded Poland together with their buddy Hitler before that lovers' quarrel caused them to split.
The story of the new currency is worth telling! The first year’s coins were minted in the US and flown to Germany. They didn’t say “Bundesrepublik Deutschland” but “Bank Deutsche Lander”. Everyone got an equal allotment initially. All previous currencies were declared void but there were mechanisms to legally convert them to the new currencies, with limitations. The new 10 Pfennig pieces from that year (1948) were still in circulation right up until the Euro was introduced in 1999.
Imagine: the German central bank is older than the country itself! That does tell something about the priorities at that time (there were practical reasons as well). But it makes sense, Germany had had TWO gigantic inflation crises before.
The history of a country's currency is as fascinating and meaningful as the wars it fights. It says a lot about the political sentiments and the way it sees itself and what it considers important from the way it is designed ( what persons are selected to be on the denominations, i.e.) to the way it is legally designated. In Germany, the Reichsmark was still legal tender until the introduction of the Bundesmark years later, even tho technically, the governing authority, the Nazi government, had ceased to exist. Fiat currency if there ever was one.
"What are we supposed to do when the pendulum swings the other way?" This portion of the video is one of the most chilling ways I've heard this type of concept explained. Drives home the hopelessness of it.
Make them comfortably middle class. The FDR policies of the 30s and 40s made Americans richer in the 50s. When everyone has a comfortable job, nice house, etc. They don't care as much about hating others. And when you don't allow such disparities of wealth to create haves and have nots.
@@robertcourtemanche9185 That's not the case at all. Many of the U.S. economic restrictions being lifted after the war was what allowed the economy to flourish. FDR's policies actually made things worse.
@@Cacowninja Then why after Reagan, even though there was a short term boost in spending and living quality during the 80's, when there was a cut back on regulations and continued lax regulations, has the American population gotten significantly poorer and the middle class shrink?
dont forget, your US republicans would like to have a Nazi president, so they searching now for a Nazi speaker of the house! the biggest threat to the worlds security are the USA....
Mate, i think you are really seeling konrad adenauer short here. The man wasn't ending denazification because he had any love for the bastards [having been persecuted by them himself] but because it was ineffective. Instead he oversaw both the effective rebuild of germany and made sure to recognize such things as the oder-neisse line as the new german frontier, aka we wouldn't go after poland in the future
Big mistake and the essence of an illegitimate German state. Germany has every right to go after its stolen land being illegally occupied by Poland. At the same time, Poland has every right to pursue its stolen territories from Ukraine
@@yonekduhyote just because it was granted to poland doesnt mean its stolen these days. the connection to danzig and the ostgebiete is purely severed. its not german anymore.
Americas policy with pacifying Germany, Japan, came down to 3 things. 1) Mass constitutional reforms. Restrict the country at a governmental level with new constitutions and systems of power that prevent it from becoming a geo-political hard-power actor. 2) Economic growth. Tie their economy to the USA in such a way that the normal citizen will be more well off and less likely to demand change. Nobody ever rebelled on a full stomach. 3) Fear of the USSR. Both the German government and its people would have much rather been a part of the western allies sphere of influence than that of the USSR. This point helps bolster support across the board on allying with the USA.
American politicians didnt really care about the Iraq war. That wasn’t a war for us, I’m sure the dead and displaced Iraqi civilians would disagree but the fact is we weren’t trying very hard as a nation in that conflict. So we quickly forgot like we do with everything else in the news cycle, and nobody really cared to pick up the pieces. It probably didn’t help that a lot of Iraqis have brown skin, but we were extremely racist about the Japanese too and they ended up pretty wealthy & mostly a democracy.
Well the simple answer is it's kinda hard to hold a grudge when you're occupied for 70 years. Like if Prussia occupied France from 1870-1940 we would have avoided WW1 and 2.
@conductingintomfoolery9163 What about all the empires that conquered land held them for a long period of time and assimilated the people of those lands.
@@BobBob-eb4io No they held them by title and enclaves. Just look at colonization. Their was a few thousand whites in africa. They didn't control shit lmao.
I wonder if jack enjoys reading the comments of people who share their expirences, told from their grand parents, and extra insight into parts that he didnt have time to cover. For me, the comments are part of the video. They are always full of interesting tales and free bits of additional history
5:23 if my memory serves this is almost verbatim the conversation that actually happened, complete with Roosvelt's "you think 49,000 would be enough?" joke, Churchill walking out in disgust, and Stalin claiming it was a joke
What is different between the aftermath of WW 1 and WW 2 is that after WW 1 the German people felt (some might say rightfully so) robbed by the great European powers after losing a war they were essentially dragged into against their will, and made out to be the big bad of the whole conflict. The resentment simmered for a couple decades and it was the main factor that kept the populace complacent while the nazi party slowly took over the country. After WW 2 however the people were keenly aware of the atrocities their government and the army committed. I recall stories of allied troops taking groups of German civilians to the Nazi death camps shortly after Germany's capitulation in 1945, having them witness firsthand the barbaric atrocities happening under their noses, and metaphorically rubbing said noses in their own shit. Germany got it seared into their very souls that extremist "us vs. them" ideologies would lead both their country and the rest of Europe to ruin.
Yeah, that sums it up. Before WW1 Germany fought the Franco-Prussian war. Prussia stole some land from France and that was it. France as a nation and society continued on and even prospered. But then Germany loses a war which they were dragged into, and a lot of its territory is stripped, their society and economy destroyed and they were completely humiliated. It makes sense how they'd be resentful since that was generally not how you treated defeated nations. Even after Napoleon, France continued on doing good but once the shoe was on the other foot everyone dog piled on Germany.
Germany: Please guys I am so sorry EU: Don't worry bro, we forgive you Meanwhile in Asia China: If it was not for America, I would gladly turn your islands into glass Japan: If it was not America, I would gladly do it all over again.
Every time we talk about denazification we only talk about it from a west german prospective, i was hopping Jack would cover what was happening in the east because my favorite thing about this channel is that he covers the lesser know historys, so i was kinda disappointed when he just did the same as other history channels on yt and talked about the west as it is the only part that matters.
@@AL-lh2htConsidering that East Germany was really the only part of Germany that was effectively denazified, I think you can give some credit to Stalin without "defending Stalinism".
@@antekpatyk9425 it really wasn’t. People just assume that. The East Germans were punished more as a collective and dissident groups were never allowed to pop up because of how expensive the surveillance and suppression apparatus became. Not to mention it was a one party state without worry of having another party gaining popularity.
Nah, that's not true. If it that was true, 1945 would be the year of the Nazis and didn't. Europeans/westerners, and Germans in particular, are sheeps looking for a shepard, once the allies got ridden of the no no shepards, it was cake party.
It's more the belief that the change in living standard is justified. For instance, in the middle ages, monarchy was often supported because it was believed to be necessary to support the integrity of society regardless of the effects on the economy. For hundreds of years, democracy was considered completely absurd outside of trading states. In fact, the fact democracy and republicanism was ever accepted is surprising. Looking at the French Revolution, republicanism just barely held, and it took maybe 80 or so years just to stabilize the country. And the American federation only happened because if the "states" were separate, European powers would either fill the power void or the country would solidify into two separate states on their own. There are plenty of stories of how people wanted a replacement King. And looking at Latin America, do I even have to say much?
@@TonyStark-mm6qy India's problem is that the only thing that holds it together as a country is that it's an ex-British colony. Their standard of living is already so low it's decently hard to destabilize them. But if a single war came that country would collapse almost instantly without foreign help. The people there genuinely don't give a shit about the country because they have a cultural history of discrediting government entirely as a naturally corrupt institution that doesn't care about them. So, I mean. Yeah, democracy works. But democracy only works because the people don't care either way.
It's cool to see jack telling the story of some random religous movement on england in the 18th century, or some weird medieval historical figure, but this video was an absolute masterpiece. Got legit goosebumps about the philosophical question he asked there at the end
I’d like to see the same kind of analysis on Japan The truth is, somehow, the post-war West lucked out with having the right people, ideas, economic conditions, and . . . maybe just dumb luck serendipitously assisted by an industrious defeated population (forced to rebuild from a clean slate of utter destruction) that helped both Germany and Japan transforming into democratic-industrial powerhouses.
The difference with Japan is that Australia and America occupied a feudal country. The novelty of owning property for instance after 1945 for the Japanese meant that they had an investment in their country, not their emperor. Their society was changed by defeat, occupation and being forcibly civilised whereas the Germans were similar but half the country was that terrified of the Soviets that fear rather than force quickly aligned them with civilisation.
One error; not the cartels were dissolved, only one, the IG Farben (today BASF) , Siemens, Krupp, Thyssen et al. were not touched, but then they were in the British zone, while IG Farben was in the American zone.
4:18 I love the concept of FDR throwing darts at a portrait of Hitler. I could definitely see Teddy doing that. Though, he would probably be throwing bowling balls at 20 paces at cardboard cutouts or Hitler.
In 1980 when I was in a public square in Munich a group of German youth came marching through the square dressed in khaki and stridently singing songs. Reall reminded me of WWII youth groups, but I really had no idea what they were about.
I'm not sure if I'm convinced by the points Jack makes in this video, but maybe that's because it's not exactly a topic that can be easily boiled down into a short video, and is hard to summarize even in longer form historiography. I would love to see another video that goes further into post-war West Germany's history, especially the 'German Autumn' of 1977.
Really hoping you cover the forced rationing of occupied civilians. The philosophy was that even if there were loyalists, none would have the energy to revolt. Can’t comment on its effectiveness, but it did ruin civilian sentiment of U.S. Troops.
I'm pretty sure the Allies did NOT do everything they could to break Germany to the point that it wouldn't be a threat after WWI. If anything I think this was a case of being to strict and too lenient at the same time.
Germany was already so broken that they can't even be a threat anymore. Being bombed relentlessly for 4 years and being actually invaded with fighting occurring in the streets helps prevent a "we lost because backstabbers" myth. When your invaders coming in from the west have an ENTIRELY mechanized army instead of having horses pull their supplies, have so much supply that they can effectively give away food, and so much fuel that they can actually use their mechanized force (not to mention the experience to be better warfighters than your troops). You too would know that the war is over and that your side lost without anyone stabbing you in the back.
France went out of its way to completely destroy what was left of German economy and starve the people. Then there were humiliations like the forced labor as part of reparations. Great job, baguettes.
"Stalin was doing Stalin things to the zone he occupied" And isn't it funny that you can trace a clear line of said zone with a map of Germany's current political parties and the one party that's discussed to be disbanded on the grounds of being unconstitutional every other month?
@@l.o.b.2433 Ahh yes, because AfD, a party filled with ex-CDU people and co-led by a lesbian, are all just "ebil nootzis". And how dare I have sympathy for one of modern history's greatest empires?
You do realise that AfD's voterbase is primarily people below the age of 30, people that were born after the "reunification" which completely destroyed the East German economy
Id wager the de-nazification of Germany could have been a bit too effective. Within my generation and the previous generation i can see various people who have an absolute hatred for Germany as a whole, its people, its tradition and anything it stands and ever stood for. The guilt complex is strong, and sadly a lot of those people made it into politics into positions of power. How this will end...hopefully soon, otherwise its gonna be a rough decade.
@@svevsky What country is apologizing for their colonial past without having one? Cuz as i see it, it looks like the ones who had it really don't want to apologize
Sounds like it is working exactly as intended. When your national story and sovereignty is lost in a war, the occupiers aren't going to give you a narrative that moralizes you. Germany is still occupied, and there are plenty of collaborators ready and willing to hate their own people for personal gain.
As a german I can say, many of us have a grudge against the victorious powers. Not because they won the war, but because we are constantly reminded that we are the bad guys. Loving our country or culture is shunned, mostly by the younger generation, because of our past. Anyone who is even the slightest bit nationalistic, is considered a possible Nazi. Sometimes such nationalistic persons or groups are even called Nazi, even if they have no connection to national socialism at all. In our desire to prevent the return of an extreme, most of us picked another extreme. An extreme that's as ruthless as the Nazis, just their motivation is different.
@@TheInfintyithGoofball No, I haven't picked an extreme. At least non of the extremes currently popular. My extreme is the rule of truth and freedom. The only acceptable laws are those of the universe. Everything else is nothing but the attempt of playing god and forcing human belief's onto nature. All of the popular extremes, and their moderate counterparts, follow this path and this is disgusting to me.
Because Japan was forced to downsize their armed forces after ww2 and weren’t allowed to build up their defence force like everyone else. Their infrastructure grew exponentially from all the money not going towards funding military development. On the other hand. America spends so much of their budget on their military but they still don’t have universal healthcare and their public transport sucks ass. War really has unforeseen or long term consequences, good and bad.
Simply put... Russia... Around the same time the US dropped the atomic bomb the USSR had invaded Manchuria with plans to move on Hokkaido and formally declared war on Japan despite their neutrality pact. It's increasingly considered the primary reason for Japan's surrender. This made it abundantly clear to Japan that the Soviets would not be a third party mediator between Japan and the US which terrified them since they would now be fighting a war on two fronts against two countries with grudges against them. So Japan accepted an unconditional surrender. The turn-around was likely because Japan was putting its hopes on the US to keep them safe from the Soviets.
And with "Nazi" we mean anyone who dares to have a different opinion than the ruling utterly trisomic suicidal-fascist political-medial complex specifies.😀
Why is Belgium mentioned as countries not acknowledging their past? If it’s about Congo, we get taught about the atrocities during Leopold II’s reign in high school. This might not have been 50 years ago during my dad’s time in high school, but nowadays this subject is widely known and official apologies both by the royal family and prime ministers have been made so often it is getting annoying for many Belgians who despite acknowledging it happened, they know they personally have nothing to do with it.
It is not so much for not having anything to do with it, it is rather the realization that Belgians need to realize that their standard of living and wealth and the monarchy's wealth relied on the murder, rape, and exploitation of a country, and that those achievements did not just come by themselves. It also helps you understand that you being a Belgian does not make you better in the vastness of the universe though you may enjoy a higher standard of living and be wealthier but have to realize that Belgian monarchy killed for you to have those things. That is the difference that they want you to understand.
@@jacqueslee2592 the standard of living of Belgium has always been amongst the highest in the world and that wouldnt have changed even if the congo had never been colonized. Belgians didnt become rich off Kongo's resources
@@future9252 Belgium got something out of its colonies. In that era, the resources that Belgium needed for industrialization were not in Europe. Compared to other European nations like France and Germany, Belgium would have not been able to sustain its industrialization and economy without resources exploited from Congo, a country that is almost the size of France if not greater.
0:21 this was ironically the biggest reason for WW2 to come as we know it. It would have come anyways imo because the Soviets armed themselves a crazy amount since they became a thing (look up their military spending from the 1920's onwards compared to the rest of the world, long before Hitler even was a political figure of note) and tried to roll into Europe between WW1 and WW2, the Interwar Period but got stopped in Poland. But the Treaty of Versailles and all its injustice was the biggest factor for WW2 to start and was also what gave Hitler his staircase to power.
That's what people continue to get wrong about Molotov-Ribbentrop, another conflict in that direction was inevitable, but both sides needed more time to rearm.
You do realise that Pilsudski started the Polish-Soviet war when he invaded Ukraine and Belarus, right ? You do realise that Versailles was incredibly lenient and borderline unenforced to the point that for most of the 20s Germany was perfectly capable of paying the reparations but chose not to out of spite ?
It ain't that simple chap, the Soviets meant to roll into the west sooner or later, i recommend you read up on it a little bit before throwing around statements like that, and Versailles was an abomination that never should have happened. You are insanely bias'd, Germany got hyperinflation, they could in fact NOT pay that. @@RUclipsisntlettingmeuseczech
@@DontKnow-hr5my Unsure if my reply got through since I don't see it here so I'll say more. I implore you to take your own advice and actually look up the facts around Versailles, there's plenty of videos and articles debunking the myths that originated from Goebbels, Hugenberg and the like. The idea that the Soviets intended to "roll into Europe" is based on nothing but feels and completely dismisses literally every aspect of Soviet Foreign and Military policy during the Interwar years.
I am not talking based on nothing, Versailles was a blight that was the cause for all of this, and even if we take your stance and say they WOULD have been able to pay it off properly, completely leaving out the matter of the HYPERINFLATION that the average german suffered due to it. Even if we play by your rulebook, just on a political scale alone, was Versailles one of the biggest political leverages Hitler had to gain support. It was a mistake, there is no way to argue properly against it in hindsight. The Soviets ALWAYS had planned to spread their Revolution outside their borders, they wished to use the instability after WW1 to do exactly that, they armed themselves since their existence long before Hitler was even a political figuere more than any other nation on the planet all the way up to WW2. You can look these things up quite easily and there is not much to argue against it. @@RUclipsisntlettingmeuseczech
@@bastagoliuosgoliz7587 Italy is still occupied just not anywhere near as heavily as Germany or Japan as it simply isn't as large a priority. There are 7 US military bases that I know of in Italy.
Sure, some real politics, but the real difference was economy. Cross reference this with Japan and you'll see that while coutural strategies and outcomes were very different, the result was still the same, strong economies with strong democracy. In most cases I have very little love for the US, but this is an area where US policies made the whole world a better place, probably for everyone. They may have been as generous as they were for cold war reasons, but Germany and Japan emerging as such strong democracies is very important, and very very good.
I've never been entirely sure if I should be buoyed by the growth of Germany out of Nazism, or apprehensive about the implications of it for social and civil progress. Germany today, and Europe as a whole, is dealing with a lot of the ramifications of these post-War policies today...
Side note: videos like this are really important, and RUclips needs to get it through their thick heads that blanket throttling anything remotely to do with Nazism is besides the point and not at all helpful...
I am apprehensive. Social and civil ideals mean nothing if the people that carry them are reduced to a minority in their own homelands. Polls have shown that the European people are opposed to the mass migration being forced upon them, yet their governments facilitate precisely the opposite. I am increasingly beginning to view "democracy" as a curse word
@@GrigoriRasputinRightBehindYou yet the reality is that diversity with safeguards is the only way to really cure humanities social ills longterm. Feels like a dangerous paradox, and it's part of the issue of democracy as an absolute...
@@ChapterGrim Says who? European nations excelled under (relative) racial homogeneity. Same with Asian nations. Social ills appear to be increasing as diversity increases - not decreasing. And how are these "safeguards" enforced? At the bare minimum, all diverse groups in a nation would have to be united in their comittment to tolerance of all other groups. It's pretty clear that this is not the case.
this video fails to understand the decade long struggle against (neo)nazi elements in germany. After the war most nazis stayed in their positions of power, denazification was mostly inefficient. Especially the police and secret service are to name. Naziideology became more flexible and was "reinterpreted" into various other worldviews, mostly anti-communism. It wasnt until the student protests of the 60s, when we first see an open confrontation with crimes of the past. Nazism in germany had somewhat of a resurgence in the 1990s and after the refugee crisis of 2015. Atm a concerning ammount of people isnt convinced in the concept of "Erinnerungskultur" anymore and the right wing parties are getting traction again. major factors in the decline of nazism in germany: -economic growth -loss of family members/friends etc. due to the war; not wanting to relive the trauma -reformed constitution and electoral process (compared to weimar) -ban of extreme rightwing political parties -strict ban of nazi iconographie -nazi ideology tranforming into anti-communism -> fitting into the coldwar setting -> less easy to recognize as nazism -impossibility to win a war against either Nato or Warsawpact; Nazism = suicide -european integration (-> EU) solving all of germany's problems etc. etc.
“Low man on the totem pole” is what I’m guessing, or the “GOD Complex” and “OTHER things” that can’t be typed for fear of comment being removed.🤷🏻♀️ ✌🏻
Cuz historically they were very easy targets. They get put in higher positions because their environment led to that, they had to study harder, save harsher and survive better than the rest. The jews in the roman times were put as bankers or tax collectors because they were better at maths on average. The only safe place for jews was in Muslim countries for a short time. Gypsies and jews were treated horribly for a long time but jews had picked for higher education and gypsies picked to become normads.
7:30 Okay, so surely I’m not the only person that thought Herbert Hoover sorta just…fell into the phantom zone or something after FDR got elected right?
The allies did prevent the nazis taking power back and seeing all the issues former Warsaw Pact nations had in the past and continue to have. Even today there's a worse neo nazi problem in former east Germany compared to former west Germany.
Man your channel is so informative and humorous, I makes my day 😊 I think most people only what satisfaction with their life and as long as they and their kids are fed and comfortable they're willing to face the truth of their actions and Germany became what it became, at least in the west, because we didn't destroy them like they thought we would
What i think would be an interesting discussion, would be the "inheritance of your countries sins", because for example, as someone born in germany, i got reminded of nazi germany the moment i came out of my mother. So its a debate for me between learning from history and not repeating it, but why is it my fault for randomly being born on this specific part of european dirt?
Well I am from a country that killed its indigenous people and do not talk about, Japan does not talk about what it did in China and elsewhere, and now some of the US states are trying to erase history. So, at least one of our countries has got the past correct.
Everyone has ancestors who did terrible things one way or another. Anyone who looks down on others for that is a hypocrite, their own family tree has dark spots even if they dont know them. And we are not responsible for our ancestors wrongdoing, only responsible for ourselves doing what is right, knowing our ancestors evils is not something to be ashamed of but glad about, as it helps guide us towards how to do better.
@@rb239rtrThe US does talk about it though and says it was bad. It’s just not very relevant in political talk because the conquest of the continent is over and was very successful thus very few people are left to complain. Germany will be shamed because they are surrounded by those they tried to kill and failed who are still pissed about it.
Idk I’m American. Recent political climate revels in finger wagging at all last American and Western sins…but It’s gotta be extremely difficult to carry the weight of being born in postwar Germany. You are living in a super relevant nation that is the engine of the EU yet of all German history, there is ONE thing that comes to kind when anyone mentions the county. Germany is probably somewhere in the top 3 still existing nations when it comes to great writers, thinkers, artists, innovators, etc and the one time all hell broke lose for a decade, and not only in Germany but across the globe humans were suddenly behaving like serial killers the world over, and Germany will be the ones to carry that weight for prob another century if not until the end of nation states. I think what happened there prob could have happened anywhere and it was a matter of all the worst forces aligning into the centerpiece of a historical global moment of absolute nihilistic, desperate insanity. Those who were born in Germany since have no more blame or reason to carry that weight than an Inuit born in Proto-Canada in 1359.
Have you been to Dachau? I have. Do you know someone whose relative was in a camp? I do. Realpolitik may have been an influence. But the heart of what changed the German people who then changed their nation were those who wrote the new history textbooks which told the unvarnished truth. At first, 1945-1955, survivors had to justify what they had done or failed to do in order to sleep at night. The truth telling started with Ike when upon liberating camps he ordered his men to round up the townspeople. I’m sure they were terrified and expected the victors to do something Nazi-like and slaughter them all. But Ike directed our soldiers to systematically escort the townspeople through the camps. He was determined no one later would look at the photos and film he also insisted be taken in copious amounts and cry the 1940’s equivalent of “These photos are fake! You Yanks photoshopped them with some fancy American AI!” Ike insisted they see the horror for themselves-the emaciated survivors, the piles of thin corpses not yet incinerated-he ordered the German people to see, to smell for themselves the despicable inhumanity their own had perpetrated. That is what changed Germany. Not right away, but the truth made it into their school textbooks. The children born in the 40s and 50s who had been taught the truth have changed Germany. Knowing for 45 years what their own East Germans were suffering made that knowing real and present, not just cold history. Sure, economic aid helped and our insistence they become a democracy helped but that alone may not have been enough. The truth changed Germany. The truth.
Sadly the truth is varnished When people feel the need to actively lie about the conditions of concentration camps and things done. It devalues the truth of what happened [Insert holocaust grifters that claim "it was real in my head so its okay"] This is one of few things where the truth must be sacred and any smearing of it punished severely. Enough lies and ammunition is given for these cretins to claim the truth was a lie, I don't want to see these horrors repeated because of that
More like atrocity propaganda. Some of "the truth" that was produced during 1945-1988 isn't shown today anymore, because it turned out to be made up and "serious" historians are afraid that it would damage the historical narrative if the public at large became aware that the Allies made some addition to the already gruesome things that happened in the concentration camps. Eisenhower's little stun of dragging innocent civillians into to camps to look at corpses also speaks more about the lack of self awareness and self righteousness the USA had at the time. After all it was the culture of the USA that taught the Nazis the concept of the Untermensch, how to segregate society along race lines and ideas how to improve racial hygiene. Contemporary retards belief the narrative that the USA has become Facist or something similar to it, because of the influence of migrating Nazis after the second World War. The truth of the matter is that Nazis Germany became the way it was by adopting ideas from the USA, France and the British Empire.
As someone who had ancestors murdered in the Holocaust... you're wrong. Your view is a fairytale view. Mercedes, Porche, BMW, and Opel all had strong Nazi ties and were never held accountable for it... and for a good reason! Because they helped recover Germany's economy. That recovery allowed the German people to feel optimism and look into the future as part of the democratic West rather than feel the need to look into Nazism or communism.
Corelli Barnett has written an article on this exact topic, comparing Iraq with Germany. Basically, it helps to handle occupation with some competency. It is also easier when you have some plans laid beforehand.
I heard a comment about this, though I can't remember where or who said it. "Germany was the first nation occupied by the Nazis, and the last nation to be liberated from them!" I think it's a pretty good summary of what was going on.
That would be too easy. There were reasons why the first German democracy, the Weimar Republic, didn't work well, and Germans preferred an authoritarian ideology to the chaos of the years before. The Allies did take that account after their victory, and built a better and more stable country.
When you think about it, there's isn't a group of people on any continent that never suffered dispossession, subjugation, or war. The ones intellectually strong enough are quicker to get on their feet and establish themselves without clinging to grudges. It might sound offensive to some, but... ah, well. The Germans are a nation known for classical composers, strong industry, top-level technology, a huge history, and Rammstein. They have too much to live for. If you notice, groups where people complain more are often groups that struggle. And the popular notion is that these groups suffer because of someone, let's say colonial powers, subjugating them... but no one has suffered colonialism like the Irish, and they're not bitter. It's also to do with mentality! Part of the blame lies within. I'm part Russian, and I can see that masochism and passivity, unfortunately, are a part of Russian mentality. Many Russians think they're tough and that the West is weak because Russians take abuse from their government without complaining. They turned being a cuck into a show of strength lol. Let's talk about poverty. When a family in Sub-Saharan Africa or Pakistan still chooses to have 7 kids when they can barely afford to feed one, who exactly do you have to blame?
This specially in Italy went underground years of lead also then after the USSR collapsed various Russian groups just sprung up particularly violent those tend to be.
Man it is really really crazy how like these people totally went absolutely nuts and then became super peaceful. Its seriously so unbelievable. Of course no one ever lies about a single thing ever in war so we can trust whatever anyone says without questioning their allegiance.
Similar to how people went nuts during the plandemic. Gave up their rights, didn't question so-called, 'authority,', ratted out neighbors, etc. Think it only could happen to 'those people?' Think again.
@@vigilante619 of course. I always trust cults that wish to bring about weird Abrahamic world ending prophesies. They’re by far the most trustworthy people I must say.
Think about this piece of folk wisdom: The leopard cannot change his spots. Which is the most war-like country today in Europe? Why do you think this has changed from the past?
@@vigilante619 You are living in a fake reality where people's opinions are formed by a centrally controlled media apparatus. The entire system is corrupt. It needs to go.
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If you spoke German like myself & had talked to former Nazi mainly Women from the former national-socialist Women's league/Nationalsozialistische Frauenschaft you would realize the German really haven't changed deep down.
All the Germans need to happen is their economy slumps or their ways of life are threated by say millions of migrants like Angela Merkel allowed opening the flood gates to Europe Schengen zone & then it is only a matter of time till old German habits of genocide return.
Trust me when the Germans have a mad 1/2 an hour they lose their minds becoming meth monsters.
Adolph along with the party let alone the nation was high as kites on meth, cocaine & opiates.
So you know 1/4 of Germans have used hard illicit drugs & in practice do not prevent or tackle their usage.
Regular users include 1 in 10 Germans.
As Germany living condition worsen they will turn to drugs till their economy collapses turning once again to world conquest with a 4th rather then a 2nd & 3rd Reich.
The German People have not changed & trust me we Englishmen are saints in comparison.
Better to have the forcing you to pay tax rather then a German scientist sterilizing you or vivisecting you which is life dissection.
Britain's crown was just as cruel to the English as it was to the colonies for the average life span of English working class child in most of the Victorian age was 7 years of age.
What a lot don't understand about England is it has been under occupation by the Normans since 1066 & it never ended.
Our departed Queen & her son Charles ''the simpleton'' lineage are German & Austo-Hungarian.
We English haven't ruled our own lands since Oliver Cromwell & 15% of the male population died in our English civil war seeing of 17 other mainly catholic nations.
Read (The Secret People) by G. K. Chesterton.
I recommend it for then you might understand we Englishmen & what we really think of those toffs that reign over us from the continent!
Well, 7 of my 8 great-grandparents are off the boat immigrants and the one that isn't, my family has the tree dating back to the 17th century.
And then for one of those 7, it's officially documented that we're not only descended from a King of Poland, but THE King of Poland (Jan III Sobieski).
german in Argentina? pffft a german in canada would be hailed as freedom fighting hero
So Jacks here talking about Nazi's then says the sponsor is his heritage. Not looking at the screen at the time makes it better. XD
I couldn't believe my ears, or my eyes!! 🤣
I did Nazi that coming.
@@westrim Neider did eye.
I had a little lol @ him saying "especially if youre living in argentina"
Jack's grandparents are Argentinan
You cracked the code in your video, if people are happy, fed, and housed, they won't support crazy ideas and go to desperate measures. Fear usually is the driving factor of bad actions.
The hegelian dialectic
@OvertRevival 'merica. You can't make something great again when it was never great to begin with.
All roads lead back to Rome but all religions lead back to kabbalah.
To paraphrase FDR “dictatorships are made by people who are hungry and out of a job”
Mm, that's what the Romans did and they used the comfort of their people against them. Disaster and hunger brings desperate change. Look at the French and Russian revolutions. Contentment gives the government perfect opportunities to rear end and manipulate their people
The reparations plus the Great Depression crippled the economy. Resentment builds. A hard working and moral people are suddenly hungry and broke. There were reasons the Jews were not loved . If you have ever worked a service job and dealt with an older German woman you would understand. If you have ever worked with a Jewish American Princess you would understand why the Jews are not held in high regard.
Germany: we’re so sorry about the horrible things we did during the war
Italy: us too
Japan: war? What war I don’t remember any war…
Correction:
War? What war? I don't think we got involved...
Italy isn't really sorry. Mussolini is still respected in Italy.
I don't think Italy ever really apologized about their war time actions. And, honestly, they didn't actually do many majorly heinous things from what I've heard. They gave Jews to the Nazis, like everyone else in mainland Europe, and they invaded North Africa unprovoked, but that was a European pass time back then. The worst stuff the Italians did relative to other war powers were probably done to other Italians.
@@Jotari
Also Vichy-France deported Juice to Germany.
You can go to Italy in these das and buy a Mussolini or Hilter wine, you can buy swastikas, etc.
In Germany, we can go to prison for 5 years if we do a Führer-salute,
we are so reflected and critical about the stuff our ancestors did.
But in the heads of many people, Germany is still the moustache man land,
Italy is the land of pizza and Japan is the land of sushi and Anime.
Aaaaaaand of course, Britain, France and USA were never racist countries and they had no colonies of course and Russians never did purges!
But Germany was sooo evil.
Irony off*
In the end, human beings are good and evil, doesn't matter where they come from.
Greetings from GerMania!
My grandfather was part of the first group of US army soldiers stationed in Germany (he was literally on the train from Paris to Berlin when the cease fire happened). His CO told them they’d actually had the most dangerous job, because they’d have to fight against the German resistance who wanted revenge. Instead, he spent his tour guarding flour trucks against starving civilians. I think that really shaped his kind and caring nature- he became a teacher and spent his retirement years teaching ESL to refugees and watching their children.
An incredibly heart warming story from what could have been a brutal experience. His parents really raised him right, that's solid humanity!
Your grandfather was sound
Man is a bloody legend.
@@masonsmith3452 if you mean "legendary" in terms of always having candy and toys for the kids, than yes! he was also famous in our family for being able to get any baby or toddler to fall asleep. we used to joke that if there was a child under 3 in the room, he'd be holding in 5 minutes and the kid would be asleep in 10
Esperanto sign language?
As a German I'd argue what killed the Nazi idiology in Germany was the generation after the war. The fact so many Nazis got away, the fact no one made excuses for Nazism on a large scale, the fact the blame was accepted early on, allowed the following generation to see, read and learn about the unfairness of the original nürenberg trials and they went to correct them.
Indeed. I'm disappointed that the Allies didn't force Argentina to hand over the Nazi's they were harboring post-war.
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And there’s the USA’s project paper clips that literally absolved Nazi scientists from their trials and willingly brought them to the US and gave them government jobs. Got to remember that the eugenics movement didn’t die with Hitler, it only rebranded.
I'd argue it's not gone. Did you see the surveys about asylum and that the afd has 23%?
@@belafrank9866 something like that is never truly gone, but i'd argue that the vast majority of afd voters aren't actually into nazism. the vast majority of afd voters are scared and feel like the afd is the only party actually listening to them.
@@Michael-YTCSAD 90% of post war juges in germany were the same as in the 3rd reich ....the western allies were more interested in gaining an ally agist the east at a certain point. That germans not slid back to real nazis (compared to highly nationalistic partys) was due to a clear sighn of things geting better with the marschal plan. You dont go radical when you have a contry to rebuild and its geting visible better.
As a German, I'd argue that change was also in part driven by the next generation, the "68er Bewegung". The people who lived during the Nazi era were all to happy to either sweep the atrocities under the rug, justify them as a necessary evil or openly contest that Germany was in the wrong altogether (people neither like being told, nor do they like to view themselves, as evil. No matter how heinous the crime, people will find a way to justify it to themselves if given the chance). However the next generation of Germans started asking questions and wouldnt take "it was just a war like any other" as an answer. They demanded complete denazification and antifacism and that we acknowledge our past. Another important bit was the economic miracle, as you said. Besides providing jobs, food and shelter for the people, the economic upturn was also a source of pride, which is more important than people might think.
The treaty of Versailles for example, wasn't actually all that special or harsh when compared to other treaties of it's time (in terms of reperations). What really riled up the people wasn't the reperations but the "Kriegsschuldparagraph", the article about who's to blame for the war. The people thought it was insulting that Germany alone was blamed for WW1 (it was very much a group effort). Neutering the military, which was quite possiblly the main source of pride in such a militaristic society as impirial Germany, didn't go down well either.
That may romanticize that generation a tad. I think their major contribution was resenting their parents and taking it out on their kids by making pretty much everything in the kids' education about the Reich and how horrible it was. It worked at least thus far, so I'm not arguing. But the brunt of the actual dealing with the past was borne by those born starting in the mid 60s.
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Slaves marketed as Germans are often unattractive when compared to germanic peoples. I know in a Royal Blooded germanic.
I do understand your point and agree on some part of it, but in my opinion and from what I know, the treaty of Versailles was really harsh. They were as you said solely blamed for the 1 world war and so they had to pay a humongous amount of money. And then the French decided to be petty and occupied the Rhur Valley, the industrial heart of Germany and the Great Depression arrived and basically with all this, the economy failed and everything went to hell. I understand and do agree on your point but I don’t think minimizing the effects and how bad the treaty of Versailles is a good argument because it’s a big factor that contributed to the resentment of the German people and to the election of Hitler.
That is what the 68er claim nowadays, but there is little to support this view. All the big Nazi trials happened before 1968, and if you analyze speeches of famous 68er figures you'll see that most of them had little interest in the Nazi past aside from trying to delegitimize their opponents.
7:27, I believe Hoover was a major humanitarian during WW1, responsible for supplying food to civilians, including in Germany and in the former Russian empire during their civil war. Regarding his efforts in Russia, he said something to the effect of “i don’t care if I’m feeding the Bolsheviks there are millions of people starving and someone needs to help them.”
That’s probably why his input was so significant.
His work in Belgium supplying food to 9 million people is considered one of the most successful private humanitarian organization successes of all time
Hoover was a really great guy weirdly enough considering how terribly he handled the great depression. You'd think he was some heartless monster but really he tried his best, just that he was completely wrong about what needed to get done. He was originally nominated by the republicans because neither party could find a good candidate and he just happened to be fairly well liked. More tragic than unlikable
@@ffreeze9924It made sense considering what he succeeded at. His whole life story was a Libertarian "Leave the people alone and private charity of the rich will solve everything" success story, he merely applied that reasoning to how governments should be run.
@@jodhod1498 will you please shut up. Hoover was never in favor of government hands off laissez-faire economics. That’s a myth they repeat in history class. He pushed for and signed into law the most intrusive high tariff in American history at the worst possible time. Causing retaliatory tariffs on mass. He’s the one that advocated that businesses keep on employees even though that was an absolutely stupid move to attempt during an economic downturn. He was the one that pushed for big public works projects to stimulate growth which didn’t make a dent besides getting the government into more debt and making it even less trustworthy for bonds, dollars, and investment. FDR was a continuation and expansion of Hooverism.
Edit: (sorry for sounding harsh)
@jodhod1498 Too bad the rich only act in their own self-interest. Charity is just a way for them to buy positive PR, and letting them take over the government has proven disastrous.
"This video about 1940's Germany is sponsored by My Heritage!"
_Oh no_
It's nonsensical to associate the two things and level everything dude
@@dusk6159 its a joke dude
@@qhu3878 It's a GOOD joke.
@@qhu3878 a great joke*
don't jinx it...
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The AFD is gaining traction in germany with the pop song translating roughly to "foreigners out" being a popular trend online.
@@CantoniaCustomsthey are based
@@CantoniaCustoms Traction is gained but they're definitely not without backlash and opposition. Germany can hear the dog whistles and they seem to not be on board with it.
From what I can tell a lot of it isn't so much growing popularity as much as it is a lot of the smaller right wing parties uniting under one bigger party.
@@CantoniaCustoms I mean the migrants are not intergrating, they have a right to be unhappy.
I think 2 extremely important factors you left out were the Marshall Plan and the subsequent Berlin Airlift. It signalled that there was a future for Germany in co-operation with the west. It showed that not only did they have a common enemy, but that their new allies were willing to go above and beyond to help them despite the war just 3 years earlier. That their commitment to assisting Germany was not just for show but was real
That and the fact that the only alternative was bolshevism.
"It signalled that there was a future for Germany in co-operation with the west." I grew up in Vietnam. When I was a kid, I heard all kinds of VN govn't 's propaganda. Germany was the West or at least a major part of the West...Here you are talking about Germany cooperating with the West.😄Just a different point of view!
@@hanaluong2672 Not different points of view but Marshal Plan and Vietnam were at different times.
the west is the reason nzism is coming back in german elites,what stopped it was the way the union acted after ww2 aka mercifully we still get ty letters to this day from family members of german citizens that soviets soldiers saved in berlin from under the ruble and assisted with food that and the constant work rus did to find relatives of ww 2 soldiers despite the side people were fighting from,the west on the other had sterilised 40% of the populace it took in.
Yeah, that or just to put a proud and fake ass display of the few "good" sides of capitalism right on USSR's doorstep. They didn't do it out the kindness of their heart. It was calculated, like their whole participation in the war.
I think there's a German word that translates as 'labour of remembrance' describing things like the Berlin Holocaust memorial and stolpersteins ('stumbling stones' - brass plaques placed on the pavement outside the homes of holocaust victims). While the Germans of the 40s, 50s, and 60s wanted to forget, later generations started to ask uncomfortable questions of their elders about what happened. It's an ongoing process.
UPDATE: Reading some of the comments, I'm reminded of the line of Brecht's at the end of 'Cross of Iron':
"Don't rejoice in his defeat, you men.
For though the world stood up and stopped the bastard,
The bitch that bore him is in heat again."
It's all just jewish humiliation rituals
I like to ask the ethnicity of the founder of the first trans clinic
@@PunishedMushu I'd like to ask what connection ethnicity has with one's actions, good, bad, or otherwise
@@PunishedMushu say it with your chest, coward.
Anything outside alzimers or dementia. Germans from the 40s,50s,60s SHOULD remember because there parents started it and i don't want them repeating history's like it's famous for
You didn't mention the Montanunion, the idea to combine the heavy industry in France, Germany and the Benelux. The economic cooperation between France and Germany was a controversial new approach in both countries, but it worked out really well, it brought together the former arch enemies, and was the first step to what is now the European Union.
So much of society just goes back to the economy beneath all the political posturing.
Considering they're rich now, I think this quote sums it up: "There is no profit to be made from the destruction of the world. It's very bad for business."
"We've been fighting France for control of Europe for centuries. Let's team up with them and control Europe with money instead."
@thatmoonant4256who would've thought that not spending money on the extermination of random minorities saves money that can be exchanged for goods and services.
@@kittycatwithinternetaccess2356mostly just kinda kept to themself I think
@@kittycatwithinternetaccess2356 Look up 'Swiss Banking Scandal.' That should explain it.
Which Rule of Acquisition is that?
The key to de-radicalisation does end up being economic growth. Unhappiness is why we want change so making people not starve is how you prevent drastic change. The Weimar Republic was somewhat fine during the roaring twenties and the Nauis knew that they had to act in 1933 because the economy was recovering and once it had they might not have had another shot at seizing power.
Note that I'm German so those are the examples I've been exposed to the most so I'm obviously biased and working with a small sample size but I still think it somewhat holds up
OTOH there are plenty of societies today that have become wealthy while also failing to de-radicalize or indeed becoming more radical.
I'd like to dispute this, this is a theory that people radicalized simply because of the economy and that is simply wrong. It is a myth that people voted for the nazis because of the economy, it is a myth because it ignores everything that happened before it ignores the already existing Antisemitism, revancism and anti democratic tendencys, social trends of the time, wich played a large role such as whole classes out of class think voting fo the nazis, the support of the military an the industrialists for Hitler, the previous 3 unstable gouverments their internal squabbles and contradictory politics Brünning deliberately crashing his gouverment, cooperation of the conservatives with the nazis, the inability of the SPD to call for a general strike. Why else is it though the especially beamte on above the average voted for the NSDAP? After all even in times of economic crisis their jobs were safe.
@@SamAronowYou're right. A nations wealth is not necessarily the instigating factor in radicalisation; it's a very nuanced subject.
That being said; economic hardship can definitely be, and often is, a contributing factor. The metrics by which you measure that would ideally be in terms of wealth distribution and economic stratification in addition to GDP/HDI/etc.
The rehabilitation of Germany can be described in two words: Marshal Plan.
Improve people's lives and living conditions and they will stop being Nazis.
This is kind of the opposite of what we did in Iraq and Afghanistan. We drop a bomb on a village to kill one terrorist and end up creating 10 more terrorists.
@@SamAronow Would you mind providing examples? it's an honest question
"What stopped the Germans from coming back" lmao
but hey, watch this space, only time will tell.
Because they found out they were crap at world wars!
@@thesmithersyThe almost made it to the point of minimal victory twice. And almost won in wwII but someones ego got in the way at staliningrad
@@thesmithersycrap? They held on against great powers for years, I wouldn't call that crap lmao
@@Failure_studios29090 But they still lost!
@@thesmithersy that don't mean they're crap, that's like saying the usa is crap at wars because it lost to a bunch of rice farmers in vietnam
The defeat was intentionally made unambiguous. The allies did _not_ want another "Stab in the back" myth.
They were actually pretty worried about someone managing to kill Hitler. Because that one might have surrendered early.
Yep. Sometimes, to make something last, you gotta do it the hard way.
@@westrimyes indeed most real wars are a contest of attrition blitzkrieg rapid action stuff is more of a myth which has fetishised rather
A major reason for the stabbed in the back mythos was the fact that Germany wasn’t occupied after the First World War. The entente forced Germany out of territory it had occupied but never marched into Germany itself. So the Germans did not feel like a truly defeated people, a d hence why the treaty of Versailles was such a shock to them.
@@dkupkeAs the war ended, revolution broke out in Germany and many of the leaders were Jewish.
@@dkupke Keep also in mind that the French deliberately fleeced Germany using that contract, probably as revenge for the war of 1870.
A big part of the resentment came about because of that paper.
On a side note, it's funny that people talk up Operation Paperclip at the war's end as though we welcomed the German scientists with open arms, but in reality it was a lot closer to, "Ok, you can either come work for us and be under our watch for the rest of your lives as you build technology for America.....OR, we can hand you over to the Soviets that you spent the last four years developing weapons to kill and see how they treat you."
It was really blackmail more than anything because they knew if they stayed anywhere near East Germany it was only a matter of time before they get shot.
They wouldn’t shoot them. The Soviets wanted the scientists to work for them too.
It’s just they would be less “nice” about it. More than likely you’d be forced to live in a special unregistered city that you couldn’t leave while getting a healthy dose of Communist propaganda
Knowledge is knowledge those scientific advances did more good than staying on a prison or diying
The average mid-wit that brings up Operation Paperclip is oblivious to the fact that the Soviets had the same program doing the exact same thing.
@@robertortiz-wilson1588 Not really, the difference between Americans and Soviet program was that Americans gave them very prestigious jobs and very high positions in society, while the Soviets just used their knowledge for their own programme and then threw them in jail, which was obviously the better thing to do.
@@indranayak5506 not really, the soviets weren't able to capture the scientists. What they WERE able to capture were all of Germany's advanced rocketry labs and launch platforms and worked off of stolen notes. And let's be real, they wouldn't have thrown them in jail, they would've had them tortured until they died from it.
As for those "high society" positions in America, it was the definition of a gilded cage.
Some of my friends were/are German, very rarely does the subject come up. When it does, they are hesitant and I can tell and have been told it is a dark mark on their history, something that they are not proud of. They are still proud to be German, just not good for their national conscience. They’re great friends and I never hesitate to help them if they need it.
I noticed this too, and I feel like the germans did something very different about how they talk about their history to their students compared to americans...I have met many americans that are almost proud of hiroshima, but have never met a german that was not regretful about their history.
@@corneliahanimann2173 Pocos alemanes conoces.
@@corneliahanimann2173you also see brits happy about blowing uo germwn cities who use the blitz as a gotcha revenge excuse. You see Brits hating the Irish, Scottish, and Welsh and proud if their colonization. You see Japan proud of their past. You see Russians proud of rheir bad history. You see North Korwans hating the west. Germans are not proud of their history or any bad things they did unlike a LOT of countries histories. Germans are smart.
One thing you did not mention was that there was a politocal post war consensus. Adenauer and many other important politicians, especially social democrats, were people who were caged, fled or straight up put into concentration camps during the nazi regime, so their positions were often quite intensly anti-nazi.
(To be fair, there were still Nazis even in Adenauer's close circle)
everyone in Germany was a nazi at least on paper or they were in a KZ.
Isn’t it confounding? If it wasn’t for Bismarck who was the first successful social democrat there would never have been a German nation to begin with.
@@LlyleHunter i think you missed the part where bismarck wasn't a social-democrat but rather fought against the rise of it during the 1880s and even introduced the socialist-law
@@LlyleHunter if someone was a social-democrat they wouldn’t be praised as patriotic such as Karl Marx and Wilhelm Pieck, even the most atrocious people in history such as Mussolini and Hitler were raised as socialists well into their adulthood
The founder of the German FBI was ex SS general of the Eastern Front gehlen, he was installed in West Germany as Head of the bundesnachrichtendienst that was first known as operation gehlen.
All in an attempt to combat the surge of communist support. This of course was not only tolerated but supported by the US, giving more credibility to the fascist nature of the US that still haunts us today.
Besides that Germany has only recently started reckoning with it's post war nazi history this includes the fact that most cdu party functionaries were ex Nazis and that for a long time after the war most (75%) of the High Court jurists were also ex Nazis.
Fun little addendum one of the first NATO generals was a nazi general with of course experience on the eastern front.
Again proving that NATO is simply a modern day continuation of fascist imperialism.
My father was German, born in the 1930s. His early memories include the occupation.
One thing to remember is that Germans knew that it was personally dangerous to defy or upset occupation forces. You don't tell the people with the guns the things that you really think, you tell them the things they want to hear. So there are certain biases that the descendants of Allied occupation forces heard from German civilians.
The Western allies also had the silent threat of pointing to the Russians. "If you don't behave yourselves, we can leave and let *them* have at you.
Actions have consequences! germany has no wright to hold a so called "grudge" as the title of the video, the only reason they could hold a grudge as sour losers who lost a war that they started, so yall have no wright to hold anything against. The defeat of your own doing, its quite offensive if any did hold a grudge!
@@goodone5590the war had already begun when they placed sanctions and reparations on germany after ww1 everyone has a different perspective imagine yourself as a german after ww1 you’d be angry,depressed, struggling, and etc. not to mention germany offered to liberate 7 out of 9 countries it conquered and also offered to puppet poland keep danzig and a couple of french provinces in return of peace. Churchill decline which resulted in 40+ million deaths educate yourself before you play the blame game there are two sides to every argument.
@@goodone5590Idiot
@@goodone5590that’s not how humans work
Goddamn were the Russians that scary? How did the people even know about their atrocities you’d think the Germany government would cover it up so the people won’t get scared
Also was it just German command that believed that Russia was a paper tiger or did the people also believe it because it probably would’ve been a shock to see the supposedly paper tiger defeat you
Holding a grudge is what got their country literally leveled with the ground. At a certain point of humiliation, pain and heartbreak, it's just not worth it anymore.
Pretty sure that getting their country leveled with the ground tends to create more grudges, so that's not the reason why.
not to mention the more you appologize to people you consider allies, the more they realize they can take advantage of you. (I'm not referring to jews here, i'm referring to the ones who use anti-semetism as a fake cry)
Yeah but it was a hella of a start
The whole Europe was leveled
haha look! an american is telling us how radicalism works 😂
"Come back. Stalin is not a man who solves his problems with purges." Brilliant 😂
The USSR occupation of eastern Europe was a huge motivation for Germans to embrace the western ideals.
Not forget the east part of Germany.
Especially after the way the Soviets raped and pillaged their way westward, raping nearly every female from eight to eighty while "liberating" them.
The Soviet People did the vast majority of the fighting, won the war and, suffered the worst by far more than anyone in the war the Germans had it coming!
White Supremacy was a western ideal in 1946. White America was still very antisemitic and racist in the 1950s. Most of America hated Jews and dark skinned people for decades after World War II.
Like westren Europe wasn't military occupied by U.S after ww2
Till this day, a huge presence of U.S military is in Germany
You aren't as free as you think you are
Napoleon didn’t split germany, he created the confederation of the rhine to administer some of the german states more effectively. The holy roman emperor who was emperor of austria as well, didn’t want napeleon to take the title, so he dissolved the holy roman empire
The holy Roman empire neither holy nor Roman was a spent force by then and rather hoary
@@charlesburgoyne-probyn6044 Greatest branding exercise in history though.
Also, the East Germans didn’t choose anything, communism was forced on them
@@charlesburgoyne-probyn6044 it was holy and a empire but not roman
@@charlesburgoyne-probyn6044
Holy: Pope said so
Roman: Pope said so
Empire: Pope said so
Stop being a cuck
4:37 "incredible violence" lmao
I’d love more videos about this time in history. 1945 to 1950 really shaped our whole world in so many ways we take for granted.
Agreed, the post-war chaos is described well in Aftermath by Jahner. It's Germany centered and shows how crazy the nation was during those years.
Most of that era was already planned before the end of the war anyways
It’s the most lied about period in human history. Go right ahead and watch more videos. Even this one is almost entirely BS
the winner takes it all, and rewrites history. A lot of bs in these videos.
It shaped Europe. But I doubt, that it had some influence on the rest of the world. Because e.g. apartheid was still a big thing in Southafrica for a long time after WW2
Germany after WW2: God, never again. We were wrong. Please; please, let us not walk down that road again.
Japan after WW2: *AND I WOULD HAVE GOTTEN AWAY WITH IT, TOO, IF IT WEREN'T FOR YOU MEDDLING KIDS!*
I don't know if it comes in the other videos but you sell Adenauer a little bit short here. He really did achieve something truely spectecular, he got a lot of conservatives in Germany who were more in favor to authoritarian regimes to accept democracy. While they still were conservative and some probably would have abandoned democracy a long and stable government push back against these forces.
It makes sense now, why the conservatives act like nazis alot of the times here in Germany.
RIP to the guy replying to you getting shadowbanned
Nazi Germany was democratic. Hitler ruled by plebiscite. It was important to him that he had popular backing of the people for his reforms
@@Brent-jj6qitwo guys
how did he do that ?
I'm glad to see you glossing over the romanticized parts of this era and are instead focusing on the backroom dealing that is just as important in shaping the world.
He literally romanticized what happened with Poland, the Soviets kept part of the territory they stole when they invaded Poland together with the Nazis and then kept it and stole parts of Germany's territory and handed that to Poland.
The Us should should taken over the entire planet when it had the ability to do so
They could have renamed the European countries to Germy Eggl and Fuga
Oh and I almost forgot Ukrussia
@@nothanks9503 Either you're drunk, or a natural at talking out of your ass.
@@IskelderonPoland and all the territory in Eastern Europe should be given back to Russia. Not sure why Gorbachev let some radicals steal oblasts that belonged to Russia for hundreds of years and still do.
@@ericlee5515 Russia should return the territories those thieving bastards stole when they invaded Poland together with their buddy Hitler before that lovers' quarrel caused them to split.
The story of the new currency is worth telling! The first year’s coins were minted in the US and flown to Germany. They didn’t say “Bundesrepublik Deutschland” but “Bank Deutsche Lander”. Everyone got an equal allotment initially. All previous currencies were declared void but there were mechanisms to legally convert them to the new currencies, with limitations. The new 10 Pfennig pieces from that year (1948) were still in circulation right up until the Euro was introduced in 1999.
Imagine: the German central bank is older than the country itself! That does tell something about the priorities at that time (there were practical reasons as well). But it makes sense, Germany had had TWO gigantic inflation crises before.
The history of a country's currency is as fascinating and meaningful as the wars it fights. It says a lot about the political sentiments and the way it sees itself and what it considers important from the way it is designed ( what persons are selected to be on the denominations, i.e.) to the way it is legally designated.
In Germany, the Reichsmark was still legal tender until the introduction of the Bundesmark years later, even tho technically, the governing authority, the Nazi government, had ceased to exist.
Fiat currency if there ever was one.
"What are we supposed to do when the pendulum swings the other way?" This portion of the video is one of the most chilling ways I've heard this type of concept explained. Drives home the hopelessness of it.
The answer is to destroy the pendulum
Make them comfortably middle class. The FDR policies of the 30s and 40s made Americans richer in the 50s. When everyone has a comfortable job, nice house, etc. They don't care as much about hating others. And when you don't allow such disparities of wealth to create haves and have nots.
@@robertcourtemanche9185 That's not the case at all.
Many of the U.S. economic restrictions being lifted after the war was what allowed the economy to flourish.
FDR's policies actually made things worse.
@@Cacowninja Then why after Reagan, even though there was a short term boost in spending and living quality during the 80's, when there was a cut back on regulations and continued lax regulations, has the American population gotten significantly poorer and the middle class shrink?
dont forget, your US republicans would like to have a Nazi president,
so they searching now for a Nazi speaker of the house!
the biggest threat to the worlds security are the USA....
Mate, i think you are really seeling konrad adenauer short here.
The man wasn't ending denazification because he had any love for the bastards [having been persecuted by them himself] but because it was ineffective. Instead he oversaw both the effective rebuild of germany and made sure to recognize such things as the oder-neisse line as the new german frontier, aka we wouldn't go after poland in the future
He never reconized that frontier
Big mistake and the essence of an illegitimate German state. Germany has every right to go after its stolen land being illegally occupied by Poland. At the same time, Poland has every right to pursue its stolen territories from Ukraine
@@yonekduhyote just because it was granted to poland doesnt mean its stolen these days. the connection to danzig and the ostgebiete is purely severed. its not german anymore.
@@yonekduhyote stay mad kraut lmfao
@@rey6708 The jury is still out on that decision!
Americas policy with pacifying Germany, Japan, came down to 3 things.
1) Mass constitutional reforms. Restrict the country at a governmental level with new constitutions and systems of power that prevent it from becoming a geo-political hard-power actor.
2) Economic growth. Tie their economy to the USA in such a way that the normal citizen will be more well off and less likely to demand change. Nobody ever rebelled on a full stomach.
3) Fear of the USSR. Both the German government and its people would have much rather been a part of the western allies sphere of influence than that of the USSR. This point helps bolster support across the board on allying with the USA.
And they failed to do any of that in Iraq probably because they didn’t really care that much about it
American politicians didnt really care about the Iraq war. That wasn’t a war for us, I’m sure the dead and displaced Iraqi civilians would disagree but the fact is we weren’t trying very hard as a nation in that conflict. So we quickly forgot like we do with everything else in the news cycle, and nobody really cared to pick up the pieces.
It probably didn’t help that a lot of Iraqis have brown skin, but we were extremely racist about the Japanese too and they ended up pretty wealthy & mostly a democracy.
Almost spit my drink out at 2:15. Great subtle joke.
😂
6:50 "As much as possible were tracked down to be made an example of"
Meanwhile the US and soviets : damn those are nice scientists you got there
Tom Lehrer wrote a song about one of them: ruclips.net/video/TjDEsGZLbio/видео.html
US were smart unlike dumb england and France
Well the simple answer is it's kinda hard to hold a grudge when you're occupied for 70 years. Like if Prussia occupied France from 1870-1940 we would have avoided WW1 and 2.
Literally the only time in history this worked
@conductingintomfoolery9163 What about all the empires that conquered land held them for a long period of time and assimilated the people of those lands.
@@BobBob-eb4io No they held them by title and enclaves. Just look at colonization. Their was a few thousand whites in africa. They didn't control shit lmao.
@@conductingintomfoolery9163 i was talking more ancient empires not colonialism
@@BobBob-eb4io It wanted an excuse to shit-talk White people.
I wonder if jack enjoys reading the comments of people who share their expirences, told from their grand parents, and extra insight into parts that he didnt have time to cover.
For me, the comments are part of the video. They are always full of interesting tales and free bits of additional history
5:23 if my memory serves this is almost verbatim the conversation that actually happened, complete with Roosvelt's "you think 49,000 would be enough?" joke, Churchill walking out in disgust, and Stalin claiming it was a joke
Rare Stalin W
@@space1546 no
What didant know that 😮😮 also like 37
"anyway, Stalin was doing Stalin things to the zone he'd occupied" lol
What is different between the aftermath of WW 1 and WW 2 is that after WW 1 the German people felt (some might say rightfully so) robbed by the great European powers after losing a war they were essentially dragged into against their will, and made out to be the big bad of the whole conflict. The resentment simmered for a couple decades and it was the main factor that kept the populace complacent while the nazi party slowly took over the country.
After WW 2 however the people were keenly aware of the atrocities their government and the army committed. I recall stories of allied troops taking groups of German civilians to the Nazi death camps shortly after Germany's capitulation in 1945, having them witness firsthand the barbaric atrocities happening under their noses, and metaphorically rubbing said noses in their own shit. Germany got it seared into their very souls that extremist "us vs. them" ideologies would lead both their country and the rest of Europe to ruin.
Yeah, that sums it up. Before WW1 Germany fought the Franco-Prussian war. Prussia stole some land from France and that was it. France as a nation and society continued on and even prospered.
But then Germany loses a war which they were dragged into, and a lot of its territory is stripped, their society and economy destroyed and they were completely humiliated. It makes sense how they'd be resentful since that was generally not how you treated defeated nations. Even after Napoleon, France continued on doing good but once the shoe was on the other foot everyone dog piled on Germany.
Lol u talk as if USA japan england France russia didnt commit genocide mass human crimes and only nazis were bad Lol
History is written by winners
Germany: Please guys I am so sorry
EU: Don't worry bro, we forgive you
Meanwhile in Asia
China: If it was not for America, I would gladly turn your islands into glass
Japan: If it was not America, I would gladly do it all over again.
Teaming up with the ussr was basically like teaming up with a serial killer with a knife to stop the serial killer with a gun
Well said
Average western monkeys talk
what were the soviet union genocidal ideals
Every time we talk about denazification we only talk about it from a west german prospective, i was hopping Jack would cover what was happening in the east because my favorite thing about this channel is that he covers the lesser know historys, so i was kinda disappointed when he just did the same as other history channels on yt and talked about the west as it is the only part that matters.
The major difference is that east germany was punished harder and for longer, which was 100% deserved. The west went easy on west germany.
@@cypress2647defending Stalinism is a odd choice.
@@AL-lh2ht I dont support stalinism, but I wont defend nazis from what stalin wants to do with them ;)
@@AL-lh2htConsidering that East Germany was really the only part of Germany that was effectively denazified, I think you can give some credit to Stalin without "defending Stalinism".
@@antekpatyk9425 it really wasn’t. People just assume that. The East Germans were punished more as a collective and dissident groups were never allowed to pop up because of how expensive the surveillance and suppression apparatus became. Not to mention it was a one party state without worry of having another party gaining popularity.
Jack is slowly learning that increases/decreases in standard of living is what affects radicalisation and stability of nations and progress.
Nah, that's not true. If it that was true, 1945 would be the year of the Nazis and didn't. Europeans/westerners, and Germans in particular, are sheeps looking for a shepard, once the allies got ridden of the no no shepards, it was cake party.
It's more the belief that the change in living standard is justified. For instance, in the middle ages, monarchy was often supported because it was believed to be necessary to support the integrity of society regardless of the effects on the economy. For hundreds of years, democracy was considered completely absurd outside of trading states.
In fact, the fact democracy and republicanism was ever accepted is surprising. Looking at the French Revolution, republicanism just barely held, and it took maybe 80 or so years just to stabilize the country. And the American federation only happened because if the "states" were separate, European powers would either fill the power void or the country would solidify into two separate states on their own. There are plenty of stories of how people wanted a replacement King.
And looking at Latin America, do I even have to say much?
@@poetryflynn3712 but what about India ? Democracy pretty much works well there
@@TonyStark-mm6qy India's problem is that the only thing that holds it together as a country is that it's an ex-British colony. Their standard of living is already so low it's decently hard to destabilize them. But if a single war came that country would collapse almost instantly without foreign help. The people there genuinely don't give a shit about the country because they have a cultural history of discrediting government entirely as a naturally corrupt institution that doesn't care about them.
So, I mean. Yeah, democracy works. But democracy only works because the people don't care either way.
11:39 BRO THIS FRAME OUT OF CONTEXT
You're awesome Jack! Please do James the Conqueror of Aragon! The longest reigning monarch of the iberian peninsula!🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
It's cool to see jack telling the story of some random religous movement on england in the 18th century, or some weird medieval historical figure, but this video was an absolute masterpiece. Got legit goosebumps about the philosophical question he asked there at the end
"Little did he know tgey did come back, under a diffrent name with different allies" the climax of the movie (guess who's back)
I’d like to see the same kind of analysis on Japan The truth is, somehow, the post-war West lucked out with having the right people, ideas, economic conditions, and . . . maybe just dumb luck serendipitously assisted by an industrious defeated population (forced to rebuild from a clean slate of utter destruction) that helped both Germany and Japan transforming into democratic-industrial powerhouses.
The difference with Japan is that Australia and America occupied a feudal country. The novelty of owning property for instance after 1945 for the Japanese meant that they had an investment in their country, not their emperor. Their society was changed by defeat, occupation and being forcibly civilised whereas the Germans were similar but half the country was that terrified of the Soviets that fear rather than force quickly aligned them with civilisation.
"Embracing Defeat: Japan in the Wake of World War II" by John W. Dower Highly recommend.
@@seanlander9321 The Occupation of Japan is sometimes referred as the "second westernisation" of the country.
Japanese are busy watching hentai
7:08 the part many conveniently leave out.
I hate to break it to you but... they are back. Their sitting in the Parliament right now.
They are going green now.
@@TOK150 Really? Don't they like Blue anymore?
One error; not the cartels were dissolved, only one, the IG Farben (today BASF) , Siemens, Krupp, Thyssen et al. were not touched, but then they were in the British zone, while IG Farben was in the American zone.
Don't forget Volkswagen
4:18 I love the concept of FDR throwing darts at a portrait of Hitler. I could definitely see Teddy doing that. Though, he would probably be throwing bowling balls at 20 paces at cardboard cutouts or Hitler.
In 1980 when I was in a public square in Munich a group of German youth came marching through the square dressed in khaki and stridently singing songs. Reall reminded me of WWII youth groups, but I really had no idea what they were about.
We were brainwashed, but trust me, the Grudge is coming and you'll join us alongside in it.
first need to get through the brainwashing program
The façade is cracking, the censorship is failing, the threats no longer scare us.
The brainwashing was the atrocity propaganda.
I'm not sure if I'm convinced by the points Jack makes in this video, but maybe that's because it's not exactly a topic that can be easily boiled down into a short video, and is hard to summarize even in longer form historiography. I would love to see another video that goes further into post-war West Germany's history, especially the 'German Autumn' of 1977.
1:40 I enjoyed the Wolfenstein 3D reference
That referee who caught the ball and said “you ladies alr” stopped the Nazis from coming back
1:25 I love how it goes from legitimate countries that could have gotten germany's land to random groups and organizations
The allies actually burned more books in post-wwii germany, than nazis ever did
Unfortunately book burning has been and probably always will be a popular tactic
Really hoping you cover the forced rationing of occupied civilians. The philosophy was that even if there were loyalists, none would have the energy to revolt. Can’t comment on its effectiveness, but it did ruin civilian sentiment of U.S. Troops.
5:45 "...the 3 major powers, and also France..." LOL!
After occupation? Germany is still occupied by the Allies to this day.
Gonna need evidence for that...
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US Bases
I'm pretty sure the Allies did NOT do everything they could to break Germany to the point that it wouldn't be a threat after WWI. If anything I think this was a case of being to strict and too lenient at the same time.
Honestly considering France's behaviour I would say they were hellbent on breaking Germany in any way they could.
@@fallout44454frenchy are to blame
@@MyHentaiGirland English
Germany was already so broken that they can't even be a threat anymore. Being bombed relentlessly for 4 years and being actually invaded with fighting occurring in the streets helps prevent a "we lost because backstabbers" myth.
When your invaders coming in from the west have an ENTIRELY mechanized army instead of having horses pull their supplies, have so much supply that they can effectively give away food, and so much fuel that they can actually use their mechanized force (not to mention the experience to be better warfighters than your troops).
You too would know that the war is over and that your side lost without anyone stabbing you in the back.
France went out of its way to completely destroy what was left of German economy and starve the people. Then there were humiliations like the forced labor as part of reparations. Great job, baguettes.
"Stalin was doing Stalin things to the zone he occupied"
And isn't it funny that you can trace a clear line of said zone with a map of Germany's current political parties and the one party that's discussed to be disbanded on the grounds of being unconstitutional every other month?
He just didn't like competition.
Much of AfD isn't even that extreme, especially when compared to Die Linke.
@@tylerbozinovski427
>Defends AfD
>Has a Kaiserreich nationblob as a profile picture
Yeah, that tracks
@@l.o.b.2433 Ahh yes, because AfD, a party filled with ex-CDU people and co-led by a lesbian, are all just "ebil nootzis". And how dare I have sympathy for one of modern history's greatest empires?
You do realise that AfD's voterbase is primarily people below the age of 30, people that were born after the "reunification" which completely destroyed the East German economy
FDR playing darts with the portrait of Hitler made me burst out laughing. Great video!
Id wager the de-nazification of Germany could have been a bit too effective. Within my generation and the previous generation i can see various people who have an absolute hatred for Germany as a whole, its people, its tradition and anything it stands and ever stood for. The guilt complex is strong, and sadly a lot of those people made it into politics into positions of power.
How this will end...hopefully soon, otherwise its gonna be a rough decade.
And then there is the Canadian parlament
@@svevsky What country is apologizing for their colonial past without having one?
Cuz as i see it, it looks like the ones who had it really don't want to apologize
Sounds like it is working exactly as intended. When your national story and sovereignty is lost in a war, the occupiers aren't going to give you a narrative that moralizes you. Germany is still occupied, and there are plenty of collaborators ready and willing to hate their own people for personal gain.
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My only complaint about Jack posting? He did it when I was already midway thru my ten and I cant enjoy the facts fully and immediately
After Occupation
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As a german I can say, many of us have a grudge against the victorious powers. Not because they won the war, but because we are constantly reminded that we are the bad guys. Loving our country or culture is shunned, mostly by the younger generation, because of our past. Anyone who is even the slightest bit nationalistic, is considered a possible Nazi. Sometimes such nationalistic persons or groups are even called Nazi, even if they have no connection to national socialism at all. In our desire to prevent the return of an extreme, most of us picked another extreme. An extreme that's as ruthless as the Nazis, just their motivation is different.
I...
well that sounds like it sucks and also I'm curious as to if you're saying that you personally picked an extreme?
@@TheInfintyithGoofball No, I haven't picked an extreme. At least non of the extremes currently popular. My extreme is the rule of truth and freedom. The only acceptable laws are those of the universe. Everything else is nothing but the attempt of playing god and forcing human belief's onto nature. All of the popular extremes, and their moderate counterparts, follow this path and this is disgusting to me.
But this is something that Germans do to themselves. The "victorious powers" are not demanding that people waving a German flag are called Nazis.
@@ronald3836they do. 80 years of brainwashing through education will do that to a people.
Whoa he’s starting to get it… quick call him a nazi and have him prove he’s not by saying he loves kebabs
5:35
Everyone laughs until Stalin follows through with his jokes. A real prankster that guy.
I often wondered this same question in terms of the American Occupation of Japan and how that society did a complete 180 after the war.
Because America didn't kill the monarchy and treated them well.
Because Japan was forced to downsize their armed forces after ww2 and weren’t allowed to build up their defence force like everyone else.
Their infrastructure grew exponentially from all the money not going towards funding military development.
On the other hand.
America spends so much of their budget on their military but they still don’t have universal healthcare and their public transport sucks ass.
War really has unforeseen or long term consequences, good and bad.
@@Hoolygamer That one is more of a lobbying issue than a military spending issue although there is certainly waste there.
Simply put... Russia...
Around the same time the US dropped the atomic bomb the USSR had invaded Manchuria with plans to move on Hokkaido and formally declared war on Japan despite their neutrality pact. It's increasingly considered the primary reason for Japan's surrender.
This made it abundantly clear to Japan that the Soviets would not be a third party mediator between Japan and the US which terrified them since they would now be fighting a war on two fronts against two countries with grudges against them.
So Japan accepted an unconditional surrender.
The turn-around was likely because Japan was putting its hopes on the US to keep them safe from the Soviets.
Clement Attlee should feature heavily if we're talking about '45-'50
Love the bill wurtz refrence.
"Open the country. Stop having it be closed" lol
Opening the country leads to high crime rates
Sadly it looks like they are coming back after all -_-
Oof 😓
And with "Nazi" we mean anyone who dares to have a different opinion than the ruling utterly trisomic suicidal-fascist political-medial complex specifies.😀
Good, they never should've left. He never wanted war.
Why is Belgium mentioned as countries not acknowledging their past? If it’s about Congo, we get taught about the atrocities during Leopold II’s reign in high school. This might not have been 50 years ago during my dad’s time in high school, but nowadays this subject is widely known and official apologies both by the royal family and prime ministers have been made so often it is getting annoying for many Belgians who despite acknowledging it happened, they know they personally have nothing to do with it.
All Belgians are forever responsible for this!
It is not so much for not having anything to do with it, it is rather the realization that Belgians need to realize that their standard of living and wealth and the monarchy's wealth relied on the murder, rape, and exploitation of a country, and that those achievements did not just come by themselves. It also helps you understand that you being a Belgian does not make you better in the vastness of the universe though you may enjoy a higher standard of living and be wealthier but have to realize that Belgian monarchy killed for you to have those things. That is the difference that they want you to understand.
This comment is why Belgium is there
@@jacqueslee2592 the standard of living of Belgium has always been amongst the highest in the world and that wouldnt have changed even if the congo had never been colonized. Belgians didnt become rich off Kongo's resources
@@future9252 Belgium got something out of its colonies. In that era, the resources that Belgium needed for industrialization were not in Europe. Compared to other European nations like France and Germany, Belgium would have not been able to sustain its industrialization and economy without resources exploited from Congo, a country that is almost the size of France if not greater.
0:21 this was ironically the biggest reason for WW2 to come as we know it. It would have come anyways imo because the Soviets armed themselves a crazy amount since they became a thing (look up their military spending from the 1920's onwards compared to the rest of the world, long before Hitler even was a political figure of note) and tried to roll into Europe between WW1 and WW2, the Interwar Period but got stopped in Poland. But the Treaty of Versailles and all its injustice was the biggest factor for WW2 to start and was also what gave Hitler his staircase to power.
That's what people continue to get wrong about Molotov-Ribbentrop, another conflict in that direction was inevitable, but both sides needed more time to rearm.
You do realise that Pilsudski started the Polish-Soviet war when he invaded Ukraine and Belarus, right ?
You do realise that Versailles was incredibly lenient and borderline unenforced to the point that for most of the 20s Germany was perfectly capable of paying the reparations but chose not to out of spite ?
It ain't that simple chap, the Soviets meant to roll into the west sooner or later, i recommend you read up on it a little bit before throwing around statements like that, and Versailles was an abomination that never should have happened. You are insanely bias'd, Germany got hyperinflation, they could in fact NOT pay that. @@RUclipsisntlettingmeuseczech
@@DontKnow-hr5my Unsure if my reply got through since I don't see it here so I'll say more. I implore you to take your own advice and actually look up the facts around Versailles, there's plenty of videos and articles debunking the myths that originated from Goebbels, Hugenberg and the like. The idea that the Soviets intended to "roll into Europe" is based on nothing but feels and completely dismisses literally every aspect of Soviet Foreign and Military policy during the Interwar years.
I am not talking based on nothing, Versailles was a blight that was the cause for all of this, and even if we take your stance and say they WOULD have been able to pay it off properly, completely leaving out the matter of the HYPERINFLATION that the average german suffered due to it. Even if we play by your rulebook, just on a political scale alone, was Versailles one of the biggest political leverages Hitler had to gain support. It was a mistake, there is no way to argue properly against it in hindsight. The Soviets ALWAYS had planned to spread their Revolution outside their borders, they wished to use the instability after WW1 to do exactly that, they armed themselves since their existence long before Hitler was even a political figuere more than any other nation on the planet all the way up to WW2. You can look these things up quite easily and there is not much to argue against it. @@RUclipsisntlettingmeuseczech
What do you mean "after"? Germany (and Italy and japan) are still occupied.
What are you talking about
Italy not but germany definetly
@@bastagoliuosgoliz7587 Italy is still occupied just not anywhere near as heavily as Germany or Japan as it simply isn't as large a priority. There are 7 US military bases that I know of in Italy.
@@guycrew3973 Germany as a state is occupied by the US military and has been since the end of WW2. I don't know how much more clear I can be.
@@Cardulionax The West German now German government was and still is a puppet state.
Sure, some real politics, but the real difference was economy. Cross reference this with Japan and you'll see that while coutural strategies and outcomes were very different, the result was still the same, strong economies with strong democracy. In most cases I have very little love for the US, but this is an area where US policies made the whole world a better place, probably for everyone. They may have been as generous as they were for cold war reasons, but Germany and Japan emerging as such strong democracies is very important, and very very good.
I've never been entirely sure if I should be buoyed by the growth of Germany out of Nazism, or apprehensive about the implications of it for social and civil progress. Germany today, and Europe as a whole, is dealing with a lot of the ramifications of these post-War policies today...
Side note: videos like this are really important, and RUclips needs to get it through their thick heads that blanket throttling anything remotely to do with Nazism is besides the point and not at all helpful...
They probably need a partner programme for history channels etc...
I am apprehensive. Social and civil ideals mean nothing if the people that carry them are reduced to a minority in their own homelands. Polls have shown that the European people are opposed to the mass migration being forced upon them, yet their governments facilitate precisely the opposite. I am increasingly beginning to view "democracy" as a curse word
@@GrigoriRasputinRightBehindYou yet the reality is that diversity with safeguards is the only way to really cure humanities social ills longterm. Feels like a dangerous paradox, and it's part of the issue of democracy as an absolute...
@@ChapterGrim Says who? European nations excelled under (relative) racial homogeneity. Same with Asian nations. Social ills appear to be increasing as diversity increases - not decreasing. And how are these "safeguards" enforced? At the bare minimum, all diverse groups in a nation would have to be united in their comittment to tolerance of all other groups. It's pretty clear that this is not the case.
i guess you could say after ww1 france punished germany severly 3:18
this video fails to understand the decade long struggle against (neo)nazi elements in germany. After the war most nazis stayed in their positions of power, denazification was mostly inefficient. Especially the police and secret service are to name. Naziideology became more flexible and was "reinterpreted" into various other worldviews, mostly anti-communism. It wasnt until the student protests of the 60s, when we first see an open confrontation with crimes of the past. Nazism in germany had somewhat of a resurgence in the 1990s and after the refugee crisis of 2015. Atm a concerning ammount of people isnt convinced in the concept of "Erinnerungskultur" anymore and the right wing parties are getting traction again.
major factors in the decline of nazism in germany:
-economic growth
-loss of family members/friends etc. due to the war; not wanting to relive the trauma
-reformed constitution and electoral process (compared to weimar)
-ban of extreme rightwing political parties
-strict ban of nazi iconographie
-nazi ideology tranforming into anti-communism -> fitting into the coldwar setting -> less easy to recognize as nazism
-impossibility to win a war against either Nato or Warsawpact; Nazism = suicide
-european integration (-> EU) solving all of germany's problems
etc. etc.
The biggest failing of yeh vidoe.
student radicals in the 60s destroyed society, they were ungrateful middle class jewish socialists
5:53 "and also France" lmao
I'm confused. Why did Germany blame the jews if France was the one punishing them?
“Low man on the totem pole” is what I’m guessing, or the “GOD Complex” and “OTHER things” that can’t be typed for fear of comment being removed.🤷🏻♀️ ✌🏻
Same reason why Jews are getting hated today
Cuz historically they were very easy targets. They get put in higher positions because their environment led to that, they had to study harder, save harsher and survive better than the rest. The jews in the roman times were put as bankers or tax collectors because they were better at maths on average. The only safe place for jews was in Muslim countries for a short time. Gypsies and jews were treated horribly for a long time but jews had picked for higher education and gypsies picked to become normads.
7:30 Okay, so surely I’m not the only person that thought Herbert Hoover sorta just…fell into the phantom zone or something after FDR got elected right?
He later became a humanitarian that helped many people after WW2 during food shortages until his death in 1969.
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@@steamstream777he had already been a humanitarian before he became president. That what made him so popular.
Allies: oh no we don't know how to stop nazis from coming back
Stalin: 🙋🔫🔫
The allies did prevent the nazis taking power back and seeing all the issues former Warsaw Pact nations had in the past and continue to have. Even today there's a worse neo nazi problem in former east Germany compared to former west Germany.
Is the second line a reference to the Soviet offensive plans from 1941?
Man your channel is so informative and humorous, I makes my day 😊 I think most people only what satisfaction with their life and as long as they and their kids are fed and comfortable they're willing to face the truth of their actions and Germany became what it became, at least in the west, because we didn't destroy them like they thought we would
What stopped them coming back?
... Good point.
BOYS, WE MARCH!
They already are everywhere.
They got board games and realized conquest with friends and a beer at home was way more fun than death and destruction abroad.
What i think would be an interesting discussion, would be the "inheritance of your countries sins", because for example, as someone born in germany, i got reminded of nazi germany the moment i came out of my mother. So its a debate for me between learning from history and not repeating it, but why is it my fault for randomly being born on this specific part of european dirt?
Well I am from a country that killed its indigenous people and do not talk about, Japan does not talk about what it did in China and elsewhere, and now some of the US states are trying to erase history.
So, at least one of our countries has got the past correct.
Everyone has ancestors who did terrible things one way or another. Anyone who looks down on others for that is a hypocrite, their own family tree has dark spots even if they dont know them. And we are not responsible for our ancestors wrongdoing, only responsible for ourselves doing what is right, knowing our ancestors evils is not something to be ashamed of but glad about, as it helps guide us towards how to do better.
Cultures and societies pass down traditions that affect everybody to some capacity, which thereby shape how the place they live in operates somewhat.
@@rb239rtrThe US does talk about it though and says it was bad. It’s just not very relevant in political talk because the conquest of the continent is over and was very successful thus very few people are left to complain. Germany will be shamed because they are surrounded by those they tried to kill and failed who are still pissed about it.
Idk I’m American. Recent political climate revels in finger wagging at all last American and Western sins…but It’s gotta be extremely difficult to carry the weight of being born in postwar Germany. You are living in a super relevant nation that is the engine of the EU yet of all German history, there is ONE thing that comes to kind when anyone mentions the county. Germany is probably somewhere in the top 3 still existing nations when it comes to great writers, thinkers, artists, innovators, etc and the one time all hell broke lose for a decade, and not only in Germany but across the globe humans were suddenly behaving like serial killers the world over, and Germany will be the ones to carry that weight for prob another century if not until the end of nation states. I think what happened there prob could have happened anywhere and it was a matter of all the worst forces aligning into the centerpiece of a historical global moment of absolute nihilistic, desperate insanity. Those who were born in Germany since have no more blame or reason to carry that weight than an Inuit born in Proto-Canada in 1359.
Have you been to Dachau? I have. Do you know someone whose relative was in a camp? I do. Realpolitik may have been an influence. But the heart of what changed the German people who then changed their nation were those who wrote the new history textbooks which told the unvarnished truth. At first, 1945-1955, survivors had to justify what they had done or failed to do in order to sleep at night. The truth telling started with Ike when upon liberating camps he ordered his men to round up the townspeople. I’m sure they were terrified and expected the victors to do something Nazi-like and slaughter them all. But Ike directed our soldiers to systematically escort the townspeople through the camps. He was determined no one later would look at the photos and film he also insisted be taken in copious amounts and cry the 1940’s equivalent of “These photos are fake! You Yanks photoshopped them with some fancy American AI!” Ike insisted they see the horror for themselves-the emaciated survivors, the piles of thin corpses not yet incinerated-he ordered the German people to see, to smell for themselves the despicable inhumanity their own had perpetrated. That is what changed Germany. Not right away, but the truth made it into their school textbooks. The children born in the 40s and 50s who had been taught the truth have changed Germany. Knowing for 45 years what their own East Germans were suffering made that knowing real and present, not just cold history. Sure, economic aid helped and our insistence they become a democracy helped but that alone may not have been enough. The truth changed Germany. The truth.
Sadly the truth is varnished
When people feel the need to actively lie about the conditions of concentration camps and things done. It devalues the truth of what happened
[Insert holocaust grifters that claim "it was real in my head so its okay"]
This is one of few things where the truth must be sacred and any smearing of it punished severely. Enough lies and ammunition is given for these cretins to claim the truth was a lie, I don't want to see these horrors repeated because of that
I was in Dachau 35 years ago, it seems like it was yesterday.😢
More like atrocity propaganda. Some of "the truth" that was produced during 1945-1988 isn't shown today anymore, because it turned out to be made up and "serious" historians are afraid that it would damage the historical narrative if the public at large became aware that the Allies made some addition to the already gruesome things that happened in the concentration camps. Eisenhower's little stun of dragging innocent civillians into to camps to look at corpses also speaks more about the lack of self awareness and self righteousness the USA had at the time. After all it was the culture of the USA that taught the Nazis the concept of the Untermensch, how to segregate society along race lines and ideas how to improve racial hygiene. Contemporary retards belief the narrative that the USA has become Facist or something similar to it, because of the influence of migrating Nazis after the second World War. The truth of the matter is that Nazis Germany became the way it was by adopting ideas from the USA, France and the British Empire.
As someone who had ancestors murdered in the Holocaust... you're wrong. Your view is a fairytale view.
Mercedes, Porche, BMW, and Opel all had strong Nazi ties and were never held accountable for it... and for a good reason! Because they helped recover Germany's economy.
That recovery allowed the German people to feel optimism and look into the future as part of the democratic West rather than feel the need to look into Nazism or communism.
Corelli Barnett has written an article on this exact topic, comparing Iraq with Germany. Basically, it helps to handle occupation with some competency. It is also easier when you have some plans laid beforehand.
3:46 Anyone else get the History of Japan (Bill Wurtz) reference on 4. ?
I heard a comment about this, though I can't remember where or who said it. "Germany was the first nation occupied by the Nazis, and the last nation to be liberated from them!"
I think it's a pretty good summary of what was going on.
But it too easily takes away the blame from the German people.
Bullshit.
That would be too easy. There were reasons why the first German democracy, the Weimar Republic, didn't work well, and Germans preferred an authoritarian ideology to the chaos of the years before. The Allies did take that account after their victory, and built a better and more stable country.
The BSA eagle scout badge, that legitimately sent me.
Had to go back and watch again just to make sure.
3:12 was wondering where the ads went
When you think about it, there's isn't a group of people on any continent that never suffered dispossession, subjugation, or war. The ones intellectually strong enough are quicker to get on their feet and establish themselves without clinging to grudges.
It might sound offensive to some, but... ah, well. The Germans are a nation known for classical composers, strong industry, top-level technology, a huge history, and Rammstein. They have too much to live for.
If you notice, groups where people complain more are often groups that struggle. And the popular notion is that these groups suffer because of someone, let's say colonial powers, subjugating them... but no one has suffered colonialism like the Irish, and they're not bitter. It's also to do with mentality! Part of the blame lies within.
I'm part Russian, and I can see that masochism and passivity, unfortunately, are a part of Russian mentality. Many Russians think they're tough and that the West is weak because Russians take abuse from their government without complaining. They turned being a cuck into a show of strength lol.
Let's talk about poverty. When a family in Sub-Saharan Africa or Pakistan still chooses to have 7 kids when they can barely afford to feed one, who exactly do you have to blame?
We irish are very much bitter and like to complain, or moan as we say. Idk were you get that from.
What stopped them from coming back? Well, it’s hard to come back when you never left.
This specially in Italy went underground years of lead also then after the USSR collapsed various Russian groups just sprung up particularly violent those tend to be.
Austria: 👀
Man it is really really crazy how like these people totally went absolutely nuts and then became super peaceful. Its seriously so unbelievable. Of course no one ever lies about a single thing ever in war so we can trust whatever anyone says without questioning their allegiance.
Similar to how people went nuts during the plandemic. Gave up their rights, didn't question so-called, 'authority,', ratted out neighbors, etc. Think it only could happen to 'those people?' Think again.
@@vigilante619 of course. I always trust cults that wish to bring about weird Abrahamic world ending prophesies. They’re by far the most trustworthy people I must say.
Think about this piece of folk wisdom: The leopard cannot change his spots. Which is the most war-like country today in Europe? Why do you think this has changed from the past?
@@vigilante619 You are living in a fake reality where people's opinions are formed by a centrally controlled media apparatus. The entire system is corrupt. It needs to go.