Inside the Chieftain's Hatch: AML-60, Part 2
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- Опубликовано: 1 окт 2024
- An example of how to buid a...erm... compact vehicle, this was a massive export success providing reasonable capability for a very affordable cost, the Panhard AML series of armored cars would be found in service with over 50 nations. Ireland had several variants, this second video covers mainly the HB variant.
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Panhard:"Lets make an amored vehicle with absolutely no ergonomics, just for fun".
French army. "Tres bien, we buy it!"
I think the one French-made military vehicle the Chieftain might enjoy is the Hotchkiss M201.
That it is literally a Willy's Jeep with a "Made in France" sticker is probably why.
fine for someone who isnt very tall
I had an uncle who was 5’2” who served in the REME. I used to wonder how he coped, but now think he was born to operate/ work on AFV.
As a person who barely passed 5'4"(now passing 5'2" going the other way), I have to smile at the Chieftain's struggles.👍👍
A hobbit would fit in there perfectly (as long as he skips all but breakfast, lunchens and dinner.
Ah yes, with age comes diminishing returns. ^~^
I'm like 5' 5" and happier about it all the time. There is no real benefit to being tall, unless it's in like hand to hand combat. Which I generally avoid.
@@justforever96 I can see better in crowds or concerts? But yeah, there's no cars or trucks you can't drive, and there's tons I can't. And clothing is a PITA.
Son was very happy to have stopped at 6' even. Let's not get started on flying.
I'm 6', I've also been to Holland a couple of times, I felt short. I was regularly at shoulder height to other guys, felt weird!
For what it's worth, that address does still exist, and is apparently considered a historical landmark. However, it now houses SNCF, France's train operator, so they MAY be a little confused about complaints regarding 60mm mortars. They might respond to complaints about leg room, though.
I was about to ask if there are any Parisians who know what's there now 😂
and here we see the Chieftain demonstrating how to man an AML-60 with one person :P
I started laughing when you said "you've gotta be kidding me, I'm in the turret ring". God bless you.
When The Chieftain says "Jesus Christ" when entering a vehicle,
You know the vehicle is a tad hard to get into or drive.
And we won't get to hear
"Oh bugger the tank is on fire"
😢
I love how he returns to his Irish voice when under pressure.
11:48 “unless you are a dwarf or vertically challenged”. I think I will use this phrase from now on.
I want to know what the difference is.
@@justforever96Dwarf: small stocky folk who live underground
Vertically challenged: small stocky folk who live above ground
Doesn't fit doesn't sit, although it was a worthy attempt
When the first three minutes of the video are a blooper reel...
For a moment I thought I heard the sound of a cutting torch firing up.
You're a good sport Mr Chieftain.
That's how you know it's going to be a good video
hahaha
Oh Bugger, the Chieftain is on fire! Oh never mind...
Man, my neck hurts just watching you do that. It's crazy they couldn't just suck it up and make it 20% bigger so average size people actually fit comfortably.
Because armor weighs a lot. The more volume you try to enclose with armor the more it weighs, and they probably had strict weight limitations to meet. It's not like it's just up to the company to make the best vehicle they can and then sell it, that are generally making it to a specific requirement. Its that or make it much thinner. And I guarantee you the 18-22 year old boys serving in this wouldn't find that anywhere near as difficult, even the taller ones. Age makes you stiff and awkward.
@@justforever96 youth and flexibility notwithstanding, making a vehicle so thoughtless about ergonomics will affect the effectiveness and survivability of the crew. Young people might be more flexible, but they’ll no less have to still twist around like a pretzel to even fit somewhat comfortably.
It’s the Army, you don’t fit the vehicle to the soldiers, you fit the soldiers to the vehicle.
When this thing was designed, French army consisted of conscripts.
It was easy to select the shorter ones for these vehicles.
At the time, All my « short » friends were directed to tanks units.
@@Gillymonster18 I'm sure they thought about ergonomics. They just prioritized other things and simply assigned short people as vehicle crews. You can either have the best vehicle possible or the best crew possible, but not both.
It all confirms my opinion that all armoured vehicles, when prototyped, should be manned by the designers and then a large fire lit underneath so that they can personally demonstrate how easy and fast it is to evacuate the vehicle when it is on fire. That will solve accessibility problems at the design stage by the Darwin method.
Me being 6'4" and nearly 300lbs., I'd have to nope out on trying to squeeze into these vehicles. 😅
As Ian of "Forgotten Weapons" says, "The French copy nobody and nobody copies the French"! 😊
They'd have to build the vehicle around you^^
Indeed regards the French and technology... though the gear knob is in the wrong place for a French vehicle, it should be sticking out of the dashboard ;)
@@jon-paulfilkins7820 Honda does this as well. Why I will never ever by a Honda.
Well in this case somebody did copy the French as the Southafricans used the Panhard AML as the base for their own Eland series of armoured cars.
@@Vonstab South Africa used the Panhard AML because no one else would sell them a license to produce their armored car designs.
The Lilliputian Military called and was asking where you left the vehicle...
Legend has it there are still a few patrolling along the Quadling border.
i dont like it, you cant tension anything...
❤
Here in South Africa we license produced them as Elands, but all the troops called em Noddy cars!
Hey, they can always shop them out to the Al Bahr shrines for their parade cars.
I never understood why they were called Noddy cars, but now I do after seeing the inside. Airforce for me!
@@dougerrohmer ja, never seen a photo of them deployed with all crew inside and hatches closed!
@@r2dter There was a thing on TV about Brug 14, where the luitenant was potting enemy infantry with his 9mm through the pistol ports, but I can't really remember the visuals.
If Trooper Moran couldn't fit in one, there's no way The Chieftain was going to 🤣 All we need now is the AMX-13, the AMX-10RC, and the Leclérc to try :D
3:17 So this is the new Metal Yoga...
Chieftain! Get out! You're in the kids car.
I think that it might actually be a 1/2 scale model for museum display purposes. I've seen people driving 1/2 scale traction engines at steam rallies.
@@alexandermonro6768 How the museum staff must have chortled. ..
8:12 The German TPz Fuchs and SpPz Luchs do have center indicators.
sooooo getting into said AML-60 "Gnome mobile"... Origami comes to mind... fold, spinal, mutilate and such. ^~^
France had a conscript army so no shortage of short soldiers .
The mentioned AMX 13 is from the 1950s/60s. During that time the USA still had one as well
@@mbr5742The US has never had a "conscript army" at any time. We have had drafts, which are like a lottery system for serving, which only comes into effort in wartime. Conscription means _all_ males of a certain age have to serve an obligatory period, war or peace. Then another few decades as reserves if they need you.
I think the fact that they are all young men had a lot more to do with it.
Drinking Wine at an early age might be stunting their growth.
Never tire of chieftain videos.
Don't take this as face value, but a long time ago i read it was to make use of smaller people for combat and reduce cost at the same time. Since there was still the conscription.
Might have been urban legend. So take it wth a grain of salt.
I does have a slight smell of the truth.
A lot of armored forces had height limits back in the older days of yore...
@@DragoonZeroAlpha So did the air force. I have personally seen WW2 fighter aircraft that i could not fit into and close the canopy. Plus, shorter people have less issues with G force, making them preferred for fighter pilots.
At 7:55. "Would've made sense to an engineer at the time."
As someone who has worked with engineers from 10+ countries, including working in french projects. I would claim that it is important to be specific here.
It would've made sense to a FRENCH engineer at the time. Lots of french engineering solutions make no sense to engineers from other countries. (German, Swedish, Italian, Spanish etc.) In my experience, the French way of designing things is sometimes good, sometimes bad, but almost always weird.
What? There’s a vision port in your rear? That HAS to be uncomfortable. Chieftain, the things you do to keep us entertained…impressive. And thanks!
For those times the commander has his head up his arse.
Basically, US Army vehicles are designed by the people who designed cars like the 1959 Cadillac. This vehicle was designed by the people who designed the Renault 2CV. 😅
Citroen 2 CV or Renault 4. I am 2 mtr and fit in both of them......
The M48 turret has space enough for Lil Bubba from Texas WITH the 10gallon hat on ;)
I’m 6’1” and I’ve ridden in the Renault 2CV, and this armored car wasn’t designed around any normal human being.
It'd be funny if the 2CV wasn't actually quite spacious despite it's size, thanks to its design.
I think that might be a disservice to the 2CV.... The AML seems more like a Teilhol VSP.
Three of my uncles were in the national guard when it was federalized in 1940. They decided to volunteer for tanks but were turned down because they were all between 6’ and 6’2”. They were offer artillery but decided to stay infantry. They were split up and all were in months of combat during the war. All survived
Extracting Private Ryan (from the tank).
I'm 6ft tall and was a driver/gunner in AML 60/90 with Irish Cavalry Corps. It was a tight fit, and I had to remove the back rest, but I was able to fit and drive and shoot.
Simultaneously?
@@MrSheep-uv7up 😅
What was the bar on the back of the turret hatch used for,that chieftain pointed out ,do you remember?
"I assume it has some purpose or they won't have put it in." - French.😄
Watching the Chieftain twist about in that thing makes me thing he could do with even just a knock-off FAST helmet to save himself from potential impacts.
If ever there was a need for the Soviet leather tank crew helmet....
No room for it.
Would love to see a review of the British Army Ferret or Fox for comparison. Well done Chieftain.
I wonder if The Chieftain has a sense of adventure to visit South African and compare the AMLs with the Eland 60s/90s (aka Noddy Cars) together with all the various indigenous manufactured Armoured vehicles? I remember the Noddy Car drivers swinging themselves onto the seats feet first from that side door.
Not a good time for "Oh, bugger the AML is on fire."
"Oh bugger! The Chieftain is *dead*!"
"Oh bugger, it's amazing how quick a 6 foot something crew member can trample his crewmates to death to get out before they do."
Maybe you put it on like armor. So lift the top, put the Chieftain in and then lower the top half down and bolt in place 😂
I’d love to know how the South Africans operated so many of them considering the average size of the Afrikaans chaps.
Obviously the French don't like Texans😂
The Shire has found it's armored car.
Obviously it was intended only Leprechauns would be crewing these things.
Did the chieftain have more grey hair before or after climbing in/out of this vehicle? 🤔🤣
So were recruitment requirements back then that you need to be a contortionist to join the Cavalry Corps? Also we need a portfolio of all the moments of awkward sitting positions in tanks, starting with the Timoney lol.
I swear some of these vehicles were built for an alien species.
Or for Oompaloompas. 😅
The Mga Pilipino ?
Well they're French, so yeah.
Pygmies are found in areas that were ruled by France,no aliens needed
I'm 5,4,, and I loved my warrior ifv never had a problem
You can tell you're visiting home. The accent and pronunciation is coming to the surface.
Enjoy the Barry's tea!
Perhaps the bar across the back of the turret is for those entering via the Driver's hatch to pull themselves up into the turret (a bit like a chin up bar)?
6:30 your Aahhh is perfect french 👍
Hehe tall man get in funny French killa klown car.
Tis built for the Wee Ones me Lad.
I am curious on the AMX 30 tank
French vehicles inside space seem worse then soviet vehicles.
Only other two nations, I think that might have tighter space is chinese or north Korean.
I believe there was one French vehicle the Chieftain fit into, the Char B1. That was long time ago.
They need octopusman to drive the thing. And an emergency exit seems dubious in an 'oh no the tank is on fire' event.
I had a 1950 Renault Dauphine withe the same clutchless gear system ! They called a "Ferlec" clutch. It seemed to be the only one in Australia, and when it broke down, no-one knew how to repair it. Since I am only a couple of inches shorter than The Chieftain, my getting into that little Renault was like him getting into that AML-60 ! (I eventually converted it to a conventional pedal and clutch, and mounted the driver's seat further rearward.)
Designed for leprechauns ....green to match as well 😃
LoL, Chief..MEDIC..!!!... NICE TRY.. someone get the Jaws of Life for Chief..stat!! 😂
For some reason the turret contortions reminds me of inspector Clouseau part
I understand making compromises on crew comfort, but it seems like they went a bit too far on this, even if the average person crewing this was smaller than the Chieftain.
A french vehicle you are comfortable in, maybe char b1 commander/gunner maybe you can stand up fully and dont need to use the sling seat
"... why they went through so many links..." Ingenious and nonsensical. It's French.
"Today on The Chieftain Contorts Himself..."
Were post-Emergency Irish people unusually small for some reason? Because most of the post-1970 Irish people I know tend of seem slightly larger on average than Britons.
Basically they've bought a vehicle apparently designed to be crewed by jockeys...
We have FINALLY found a vehicle in which Chieftain DOES NOT fit!!!
Anyone who has worn the green/khaki/DPM is well aware that 5’6”-fully dressed with current AFV helmet-is the MAXIMUM practical height for a ‘turret head’. Nicholas Moran is very much an outlier.
Apparently it's not just the Russians that design armoured vehicles exclusively for hobbits.😂
3:41 My sensation of feeling dumb just now realizing the Otakar Cobra and Panhard VBL aren't the same guntruck.
Obviously designed to give the 4' 11" (150cm) conscripts something to do that didn't involve humping around backpacks larger than they were.🤣
How do you operate your conscription? Birthdate? Identity number? Random lottery?
“Height”
And you don’t want to know where the remainder of the 60 rounds are stored, it’s uncomfortable to describe in public.
When I did my national service 45 years ago, my call-sign was trained on AML-60s run by the Airforce for ground defense. The thing I remember was the horrible lime green vinyl covering the seats, and the bright dayglow orange tape on the wheel. In the event, the Airforce changed its mind, and, in the end, we ended up with 5-ton Nissan trucks covered with mild steel plate pretending to be armour, with several pintle mounted FN Mags, a .50 caliber HMG, and a Chinese recoilless rifle for our convoy escort role.
Literally an armored "fighting" vehicle
It fights everyone, including the crew
You know….when you’re 60, you’re going to look back at these videos and say…WTF was I thinking!
France makes most of their AFVs to muck around in Africa.That is why they are so light,even at the expense of the bare minimum of armor for high intesity conflict(AMX-10) or crew comfort(this one).
My suspicion is that the french would conscript pygmies from their colony in Congo.
I wonder if it has something to do with France's export market, being France's prior colonial possessions. Indochina, as an example, isn't exactly blessed with NBA prospects.
Why design a vehicle who can’t get in too?
What about your LBE?
Rifle?
@TheChieftain sorry but what boots are you wearing??😂 they look very comfortable and stylish!
The French produce armored vehicles designed for B-24 Ball Turret gunners. They need to do something for their Toulouse-Lautrec family.
I'd imagine the average British tanker would look at all the contortions and then come up with the REAL complaint - "Where's the kettle?"
21:48 „I don't know which nation would buy [...]“
Ha, that's easy: the answer is always Elbonia.
why is there a letterbox screwed on an AML-60? Because Nicolas Moran is stuck forevefr in it! :)
I know it is kind of comparing apples to oranges, but. I'll take the interior of a Panther or a Tiger 1🥰 anytime, over this sick joke.😵💫
Don't you wish everyone was as concerned with ergo dynamics as the WWII US Army?
The US is also perfectly willing to say "pay so the vehicle is going to need to be bigger and heavier and will need 4 axles instead of 2 and will cost twice as much? Fine, fine. So these larger vehicles will require new bridges and logistic equipment to operate them? Fine, that's fine. Our present transport aircraft can't fit the new vehicles and we need to buy a new fleet of aircraft? Fine, you know what to do." Not all nations have that luxury. Compromises must be made.
And does the US _really_ "choose the best man for the job"? That doesn't seem to match the things i have heard.
the small size might be (slightly) justified as france even after WWII had still a quite large farmer population, and so the average frenchman was a tad bit shorter than the average american or irish (by about 4-5 cm according to what i can find with a speedy google search)
quite still small, but smaller average meant there was still a larger share of people eligible to fit in said tanks and ACs compared to the USA or Eire
still cramped tho
Oh, bugger! The armored car is on fire.
French armoured vehicles: If you can't get out you can't surrender.
man, a B17 ball turret gunner would find this vehicle cramped
Definitely design for some no taller than 5’6”. 5’2” would be better
Ergonomics. Do it. If your troops can't effectively fight their vehicle, you lose.
I've got it fathomed: Leprechauns! ;-)
They had to find some occupation for all of those bomber ball-turret gunners. . . Ok the few that survived.
Maybe this is an example of a one person fighting vehicle? 2:52 lol
Once you were in the drivers seat I was concerned they may need to gas axe a larger exit😂
It's the 1st armored vehicle made for Women to operate - 5' 4" or shorter requirement - or it's a kid's training tool for when they join the Army 🤪🤣🤣🤣
Not in the game WOT. Still, maybe someone in the Irish army will let me take one for a spin in exchange for a dozen hurls?
Go out the front window Nicky me lad, be a lot easier. I'm 3% Irish. :-)
So this vehicle know to be one of the biggest export success of the Cold War, have been used in dozens of battles and wars, was even used against tanks, is now just a meme for height/ french jokes in all the comments...congrats, great success on this, do a vid for that...
Just a guess but I'm thinking it's more than likely more made for the French Foreign Legion and they probably pretty much put the Asian guys in that
I didnt know Little Tikes made an armoured version of the Cozy Coupe.
"What is it about the French and their small armoured vehicles", well, all the big guys where in the Garde Impériale and died, so only the small ones are left.
You should try and do the L3/33 or maybe something like the Wiesel AWC
AML-60 Was designed to be crewed by Leprechauns