You guys noted that the Classics and the AF1 share the same exactly geometry, but why does everyone say the Classics turn quicker than the AF1s? Very confusing.
Ace are seriously so bad at accurately measuring their own trucks and creating an accurate size chart to reflect that, and evidently describing it beyond a bunch of marketing buzzwords. AF1’s actually have a slightly longer wheelbase than the classics therefore altering the way the turn feels and providing more stability. The classics have axles that still bend to this day, and baseplates that will bust from slappies. AF1’s are miles ahead in terms of durability but the shitty rethreading axle nuts literally fly off the axles, you will need to replace them with regular ones right away if you don’t want any issues. Also, the washers click like crazy when turning so you’ll have to replace them with any other brand in order to make it stop. People will read this and think it’s just hate but it’s about keeping companies accountable and offering criticism to improve their product. Still the greatest feeling trucks ever and I will never skate anything else, despite them still not having their shit together. Next step after fixing those quirks is to offer an inverted kingpin option, those who actually grind their trucks to the axle need that shit.
My experience is the top/roadside washers click against the kingpin thread due to tight tolerances and washers being made of seemingly harder metal than most truck brands. The AF1 washers stop clicking eventually when edges begin to chamfer/break (if washers are rotated click starts again). A quick solution I have found for many truck sounds like squeaking/clicking is using all natural dye and fragrance free bar soap (grease, wax, oil seem to attract debris turning lubricant into a polishing paste, soap simply dries up and flakes off taking junk with it). I dissolve as much soap as distilled water can absorb making a strong solution and funnel it into a eye dropper type vessel. With trucks fully assembled one drop in pivot cups and one between the washers and kingpin nuts renders the trucks silent (edges will chamfer without clicking sounds). Warning though I am in the desert so anyone reading this may want to be careful about rusting kingpins and or washers. Applying soap solution just before skating should dry everything out during session. Trucks will feel a bit looser until dried.
@@n9tem7rebolt? You mean nut? Nowhere did I say someone should use the red rethreading die as a nut 🥴. The nuts themselves have rethreading built into them but they suck and don't hold securely onto the axle.
ive had 2 pairs of classics and on my second pair of AF1s, havent had any of these issues except the clicking of the bushing/washer clicking which I goes away, just part of the break in process. Although I will agree I do think the turning is different between the classic and AF1 is a bit different, AF1 being more stable imo. I think Ace AF1 is the most quality truck available and I've had about zero issues with my 2 pairs
66 af1s on my 8.75-9" decks all day, just pure fun! Ive tested them at 44(8.25) and Ill admit the turning isnt as fun on a slimmer setup. Amazing products nonetheless ty Ace! Af1 tool is the best as well, tiny with both rethreaders.
To make the AF1's a bit looser I filed down the rear truck top washer reducing its height by about a thread. With the front truck I use flat washers both top (a very thin Bones washer also modified) and bottom (sourced from a longboard) with the kingpin nut filled down from the bottom reducing its height by a thread or two. Nut flush front and back. 5'9, 147-157lb, 10.5 shoe, 30" inseam. 9"+ wide shaped decks with 15.25" wheelbases. AF1 66's with .25" risers and 60mm Bones SPF 84b v5 side cut wheels or 60mm 78a for getting around (I keep wheels on extra set of hangers and swap out when needed). The result is a truck that I can steer proficiently simply by turning my head/shoulder (not ideal for flip tricks). Before adding flat washers I could feel myself fighting the front truck a bit while carving. Considering my weight tends to be towards the back of the board this modification frees the front truck to follow the rear fluidly. Basically my setup is a cruiser that is quite capable of carving a bowl and ripping at high speeds (the faster I go the more stable it feels). I have run the above mentioned configuration for about a year. I played around with all sorts of bushings only to learn Ace bushings are magic, I love looser trucks and washer modification was what I needed to eek out the feeling I was craving.
@@n9tem7re they are cheaper and aluminum is softer and actually I got a pair of af1 60s the other week and they fit the 8.875 roger’s I ride and I’m sold. I even got in weld and a set of krux inverted kingpins and my good they are sick
stage 11 untill you ride ace, then you feel like you went from a indy to a venture. stage 11 is heavy and late responding, its indy's best till the stage 4 which was due to ace now crushing indy
You guys noted that the Classics and the AF1 share the same exactly geometry, but why does everyone say the Classics turn quicker than the AF1s? Very confusing.
ace 44 classic pilot here 🧑🏻✈️
I love my ace classic with the ace hard bushings. Best trucks ever
Ace are seriously so bad at accurately measuring their own trucks and creating an accurate size chart to reflect that, and evidently describing it beyond a bunch of marketing buzzwords. AF1’s actually have a slightly longer wheelbase than the classics therefore altering the way the turn feels and providing more stability. The classics have axles that still bend to this day, and baseplates that will bust from slappies. AF1’s are miles ahead in terms of durability but the shitty rethreading axle nuts literally fly off the axles, you will need to replace them with regular ones right away if you don’t want any issues. Also, the washers click like crazy when turning so you’ll have to replace them with any other brand in order to make it stop. People will read this and think it’s just hate but it’s about keeping companies accountable and offering criticism to improve their product. Still the greatest feeling trucks ever and I will never skate anything else, despite them still not having their shit together. Next step after fixing those quirks is to offer an inverted kingpin option, those who actually grind their trucks to the axle need that shit.
My experience is the top/roadside washers click against the kingpin thread due to tight tolerances and washers being made of seemingly harder metal than most truck brands. The AF1 washers stop clicking eventually when edges begin to chamfer/break (if washers are rotated click starts again).
A quick solution I have found for many truck sounds like squeaking/clicking is using all natural dye and fragrance free bar soap (grease, wax, oil seem to attract debris turning lubricant into a polishing paste, soap simply dries up and flakes off taking junk with it).
I dissolve as much soap as distilled water can absorb making a strong solution and funnel it into a eye dropper type vessel. With trucks fully assembled one drop in pivot cups and one between the washers and kingpin nuts renders the trucks silent (edges will chamfer without clicking sounds).
Warning though I am in the desert so anyone reading this may want to be careful about rusting kingpins and or washers. Applying soap solution just before skating should dry everything out during session. Trucks will feel a bit looser until dried.
You do know the rethreaders aren’t to be used as a regular bolt
@@n9tem7rebolt? You mean nut? Nowhere did I say someone should use the red rethreading die as a nut 🥴. The nuts themselves have rethreading built into them but they suck and don't hold securely onto the axle.
ive had 2 pairs of classics and on my second pair of AF1s, havent had any of these issues except the clicking of the bushing/washer clicking which I goes away, just part of the break in process. Although I will agree I do think the turning is different between the classic and AF1 is a bit different, AF1 being more stable imo.
I think Ace AF1 is the most quality truck available and I've had about zero issues with my 2 pairs
Thanks for the insight my friend. This is info i hoped to get from the video but that was basically just the sales pitch from the company.
66 af1s on my 8.75-9" decks all day, just pure fun! Ive tested them at 44(8.25) and Ill admit the turning isnt as fun on a slimmer setup. Amazing products nonetheless ty Ace! Af1 tool is the best as well, tiny with both rethreaders.
Do you think I should go with 60s for 8.5 ?
@@verseludes For AF1s you want the 55s with 8.5 decks
The classic 44’s are the best truck I’ve ever had.
The turn is SO smooth. Everything else feels weighty and sluggish by comparison.
Both amazing trucks. I slightly prefer the turn on the Classics though... not sure I agree that both models have the same geo.
I feel that the classics turn better..
Good stuff 🍻
AF1’s are the best trucks in the game. End of discussion.
is it just me or is cant tighten my ace 44 trucks like my dkate tool cant fit the nut
same with ace classic 55. annoying. I use a wrench
Inverted kingpin?????? Let's go
Ace 🙌
To make the AF1's a bit looser I filed down the rear truck top washer reducing its height by about a thread. With the front truck I use flat washers both top (a very thin Bones washer also modified) and bottom (sourced from a longboard) with the kingpin nut filled down from the bottom reducing its height by a thread or two. Nut flush front and back.
5'9, 147-157lb, 10.5 shoe, 30" inseam.
9"+ wide shaped decks with 15.25" wheelbases.
AF1 66's with .25" risers and 60mm Bones SPF 84b v5 side cut wheels or 60mm 78a for getting around (I keep wheels on extra set of hangers and swap out when needed).
The result is a truck that I can steer proficiently simply by turning my head/shoulder (not ideal for flip tricks).
Before adding flat washers I could feel myself fighting the front truck a bit while carving. Considering my weight tends to be towards the back of the board this modification frees the front truck to follow the rear fluidly.
Basically my setup is a cruiser that is quite capable of carving a bowl and ripping at high speeds (the faster I go the more stable it feels).
I have run the above mentioned configuration for about a year. I played around with all sorts of bushings only to learn Ace bushings are magic, I love looser trucks and washer modification was what I needed to eek out the feeling I was craving.
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I personally prefer classics over af1s.
How come !!?
@@n9tem7re they are cheaper and aluminum is softer and actually I got a pair of af1 60s the other week and they fit the 8.875 roger’s I ride and I’m sold. I even got in weld and a set of krux inverted kingpins and my good they are sick
Stage 11 all day
stage 11 untill you ride ace, then you feel like you went from a indy to a venture. stage 11 is heavy and late responding, its indy's best till the stage 4 which was due to ace now crushing indy
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