@@ThwipThwipBoom Did you even watch the video? He already explained that's just not his way of playing. It's literally a video game to have fun. Dbd isn't even a competitive game lmfao so don't try to make it seem like it is. This game doesn't even have official winning conditions nor are you rewarded in anyway therefore it can't be competitive.
@@ThwipThwipBoom The competitive scene of dead by daylight is more comparable to the competitive scene in speedrunning. You are competing with other players in the competitive scene. But all the facts point to Dead By Daylight being a casual party asymmetric horror game.
"Who's dead harding the blast" I don't remember if it was JRM or Ayrun, but one of them has a clip where they dead harded a static blast so the killer didn't know they were there and then got a flashlight save bc of it. CLEARLY something that will happen every game. EDIT: It was Sweh, not Ayrun or JRM.
@@26Elias26 Yeah, sorry, it was Sweh. I couldn't find the clip and just assumed it was from Ayrun or JRM because of the amount of videos from them I am flooded in.
7:30 was playing solo queue vs a doctor and an injured Dwight was the last one alive and he dead harded a static blast the doctor used to try to find him, and it was the chadest shit I've ever scene
Not gonna lie… when Scott started talking about why their two arguments are different I realized that Otz is objectively right, but I agree with Scott because I play the same way as him.
@Fred Jones Your comparison doesn't work because what you say is a single (nonsensical) decision in a game, not sweating your ass off as killer is an entire playstyle. If you play to play and win by skill, not by cheap strategy, then Iron Will is great for survivors. If you try to win at any cost by tunneling and camping, then you have the mindset of a tournament killer. Noone in your average public lobbies will compliment you on that or have any fun at all. Please just don't. I ensure you, everyone will appreciate it. But with the single objective to win in mind Iron Will won't do much. Have a look at tournament teams. Does anyone ever run Iron Will? No, because it doesn't benefit you as much.
But isn't that only at the highest tier of play and players with good game knowledge? I'm a hardcore killer main but a newer survivor player and the killers I go up against rarely slug enough for unbreakable to come into play. Totally agree on decisive and borrowed time because even if the killer is ignorant of them they effect the game.
@@hanswurst9120 yeeeeah eeeveryone will appreciate it XD I kind of get the feeling you are : A) playing the strongest addons and perks on a strong killer which is why you dont require "cheap" tactics.. but you could argue if a spirit with mdr and ya is "skillfull" (take this example as a representative of 'a strong killer with strong stuff) B) you play on a low rank against not that good survivors C) you dont play that much killer at all (which links to the second) A lot of surv are really big d***** about winning. And in redranks you often see them bringing all the meta perks (especially dh and iron will) combined with strong items and call you a baby killer or other stupid insults in the after game chat or drop the ggez on you. You will loose games where you know that if you played a little more territorial. Or slugged some more you could have won the game. And is it cheap then? Or is it the right strategic decision which would actually made it a skillful thing to do. Skill is not only mechanical but strategy aswell.
Respectfully, it’s a weak argument to say the perks aren’t as good as iron will bc you’re not playing sweaty; the whole point is that those perks counter the most optimal killer playstyle. Playing chill is not the most optimal playstyle.
Its still valid to say that from his perspective those perks aren't as good (DS, BT, Unbreakable), because he's never in the situation to be affected by those perks. If every single killer played the most optimal way, those perks would be 100% necessary. If every killer avoided that playstyle, those perks would be worthless. I agree those perks are better, but they are all still situational. Playing as a killer that doesn't slug or hit injureds off hook regardless of what perks the survivors may or may not have, from your viewpoint it's 100% valid for you yourself to say that iron will causes more problems for you.
Well how many games do you play really sweaty, I think his point still stands since since the majority of players won’t play sweaty all games. Like otherwise you could say that Kindered is completely useless since if you play 4man SWF (witch is the most optimal way to play) it’s useless. Same with most aura reading perks.
It’s irks me so much when people say inception about the concept of layers. Inception is the concept of implanting an idea in someones mind and making them believe it’s their own.
I'm with Otz, BT adds the most health states for a single perk, potentially 6 extra health states for one player using BT on a team. That's an amazing amount of value imo.
If a person with BT unhooks a team-mate and that ally takes a hit during the BT duration, they are not downed by it. This is effectively a health state (Healthy>Injured>Dying, except you endure the transition from Injured to Dying in this case). This person, in theory, could unhook every team-mate twice and those people, in theory, could all get hit during BT each time. Thus, six health states of extra health from normal use of the perk. Not terribly likely, obviously, but yeah.
@@jackfinnian2064 He meant that with BT there is a chance to take even more hits, so the killer will have to hit people more w/o any benefit for him. "6 health states for one perk slot" is because you can bring 1 BT in the match and unhook other survivors 6 times = 6 BT's = 6 health states.
@@jackfinnian2064 sure np. If one player equips BT and does all the rescues (not hard to set up in a swf except his own) then the perk can activate six times in a game. If the killer hits the players when the perk is active (by bad decisions or by being forced to) then the player gets an additional health state by going into deep wounds rather than being downed. This can happen six times. This exact scenario is extremely unlikely but there is no perk which even comes close to the maximum potential of BT, especially given how two BT users can cover their whole team.
@@fred7883 Scott and Otz are buds and have played together many times before, so this video is not “entitlement” he’s just being silly. Don’t be annoying
put autodidact in there. especially if you play with a swf. it feels like a meme perk until you realize it actually fucking works really well once you get those first two skill checks get out of the way
Well, in many cases, what works against you personally is much more important and impactful than what generically works best. That's why tournament teams (in anything, not just DBD) study how the other teams compete, how they play, etc. That said, I get your point.
What might have influenced otz’ opinion on these perks could honestly be his winstreak project. This project forces him to play sweaty, sometimes tunneling people off-hook or soft-core camping. This could explain why to him, DS,UB and BT seem more impactful as he’s forced to either respect them or risk loosing valuable time. Iron will alone however does not make you win/loose a game in a winstreak or at least it’s not as apparent when it does
Scott: This is the strongest perk and here's why. Otz: These perks are stronger and here's why. Scott: Well, I don't even want to win so it doesn't matter to me.
I think BT, DS and Unbreakable ARE the strongest perks when you look at how the game would be played if they were removed. But if we're talking about the strongest perks to BRING, they're definitely not as good as some of the exhaustion perks. And the fact that you do not even need to bring BT, DS or Unbreakable in a lot of cases, since decent killers will play around avoiding those even when they don't know if they're in use, makes them even less valuable to bring.
Hey Scott, there's a few notable exceptions to Iron Will working well against every killer. The Plague and Nemesis can infect, making survivors emit sickness sounds which render Iron Will basically useless.
8:54 80% of survivors at least run an exhaustion perk, either Dead Hard, Sprint Burst, Lithe or Balance Landing. If you keep track of survivors and their exhaustion perk, waiting for Dead Hard is not something you need to do all the time. I would say that the other perks, like BT, DS or Unbreakable drive more fear in the killers than DH.
@Fornax It's strong at some loops. If you leave a Pallet Gym even after a stun with Smash Hit, the killer will catch up to you quite fast. It has the same problem as Lithe, at some windows you need to waste the perk because you need to see where the killer is coming from.
"otz is arguing from a very competitive 'I want to win' perspective." What other perspective is there when you're arguing about the strongest perks in a competitive multiplayer game? The better argument would be you were looking at it from a "whether I take the perk or not" perspective as opposed to "whether it's in the game or not."
Yeah I’ve been having plenty of games where the survivors are silent on the ground. Really sucks if it happens during EGC and I can’t find the last guy
I have actually taken Iron WIll off, because I get this free-Iron-Will bug so often. Also apparently this bug is actually server-side. Because everytime I cant hear myself, the killer appears to not hear me either. Interesting how this game works.
I also got triggered when he said "that's about it" as if changing your chase style isnt big deal, in a game where chase time matters a ton lol. how many times has he lost a chase because the other person already went to another tile, while he was still looping/mindgaming the same one, but didnt know the survivor already left because of iron will? how is that an easily swept away "thats about it" point in DBD lol.
Literally doesn't matter. Something that gives you an advantage for free is more powerful than something that uses up a limited number of slots. You can run what you think are the strongest perks, and you'll still benefit from everything Otz says. You get the free ~0.1 effect from the perk existing, regardless of your loadout.
I think Unbreakable's inconsistency argument also applies to Iron Will, albeit to a lesser degree. Every Killer has to worry about Unbreakable (Pyramid Head is possibly the best Killer against it since he can cage someone he'd otherwise have to slug but that's fairly niche). It's also a perk that single-handedly demolishes Killers like Oni, Plague, Twins, Myers, Huntress etc... really, any snowball Killer. So it's moderately good into any Killer with a chance of being BACKBREAKING against certain Killers. Many Killers have ways to work around Iron Will/flat out ignore it. Plague: good luck hiding your sounds when you're puking and retching lol Doctor: if they're in chase with you in Madness III, they're constantly screaming (and potentially glowing/revealing their aura in other ways depending on addons) so you're NEVER losing them Hag/Trapper: if they run into a trap it doesn't matter if Iron Will makes them quiet as a mouse, they're still gonna get slapped Twins: between Victor's detection radius highlighting Iron Will gamers, Victor's built in Bloodhound meaning anyone injured is spilling Kool-Aid all over the floor, and Victor's playmates when he's attached having their location given away by a loudly shrieking French child tearing into their skull... you're not making many Iron Will plays against a smart Twins. Myers and Ghostface are both stealth Killers, meaning you need to heal against them to not get jumped, and insta-down Killers, meaning they'll be taking you from healthy to downed a lot without Iron Will ever becoming a factor. Hell, Nemesis even makes his Contamination targets cough. No Killer can consistently work around Unbreakable, and several Killers are wrecked by a single Unbreakable just as part of their daily business. Several Killers can consistently work around/ignore IW, and it only really demolishes a single Killer (Spirit, who is strong enough and has enough visual cues to be able to work around it anyway)
I think you should rate these perks more from a survivor side of view, ds or bt might not bother you when playing killer but as a survivor you get lots of value almost every game.
He already talked about it in some of his past videos about the patch it was changed in, if I recall correctly. Also shh, don't talk about it or more survivors will start running it.
So he saying I can have Iron Will and killers will still THINK I have 4 other perks and they will waste extra time thinking Im gonna dead hard? Epic Iron Will works and the other 4 that I dont have will still work, I just get Iron Will on top of it all
I whole heartedly believe that OTZ put unbreakable so high because he gets DS's probably 3 times more often than Scott. He's so tired of getting DS over the years that he slugs pretty hard and therefore the unbreakable plays you say are so rare are pretty frequent for him.
I think what’s interesting is that they both agree on the perks, but just disagree with what makes a perk the best. Otz seems to think that a perk having an effect when it’s not there is what makes the best perks, and Scott thinks that what matters is what happens when you equip the perk, which is some really interesting discourse.
The problem I have with the first 3 perks is that they're very inconsistent, because if killers want to win they stay away from hooks and try to get pressure instantly to win, iron will is so much more consistent
Like with iron will no matter what killer u get, it's going to work even if it's a one shot killer once u get saved it will work, whilst the first 3 depends on the killer u get, u could get sweaty u could get a chill killer
Yeah i agree. With the exception of BT and the exhaustion perks i think that Unbreakable and DS rarely come into play. Usually when survivors have DS they make it so obvious by running around without a care in the world so i can down them and just slug them or maybe even completely ignore them and let them be useless for 60 seconds if they want to keep their DS. DS is just a safety net of a perk that saves you if you do get tunneled which doesn't happen all that often. Most of the time when you get unhooked the killer already has eyes on another survivor and if he does come back then BT will save you more often that DS will. And as for Unbreakable I rarely see a reason why I should slug. That may be just the way I like to play but unless there is a survivor right in front of me that won't loop me for 25 seconds or take me far away from the slug i see no reason as to why I shouldn't hook them.
@@thesenutties9740 yep the problem with Ds now is that survivors are too scared to do objectives because they'll lose it, which inturn benefits the killer
@@thesenutties9740 also with unbreakable, and there's another survivor is close you will down one and just got for 1 hit on the other then end up going back to downed guy it takes less then 15 seconds and if the survivor is too far you'll just ignore him
My biggest problem with placing Borrowed Time at the top vs Iron Will is that you will almost ALWAYS get value out of Iron Will whereas there are plenty of instances of you not really getting much value out of Borrowed Time. Yet people only ever seem to consider the max potential of the perk rather than the consistent utility. In my opinion, new Borrowed Time gets easily cucked by just waiting out the timer, especially if the survivors are coming from basement. It takes almost half the timer just to leave basement lmao It is very easy to just run survivors down now. People really don't realize how huge that reduction of 3 seconds is. Imo, Iron Will is better simply by the constant value I get out of it. I would probably never run a build without Iron Will. In general, I just really disagree with the perspective of rating things primarily max potential or "DBD in theory" approach. In theory, a Killer could navigate around Borrowed Time every time by just not going back to the hook or finding a way around body blockers and then you get NO VALUE out of Borrowed Time. Whereas, with exhaustion perks and Iron Will, you will ALWAYS get value out of them. Hell, I would even argue that if we are going by max potential, then Iron Will STILL has the best max potential of any perk. Iron Will is quite literally a game changing perk that allows you access to new options/decisions against good killers and can allow you to leave tiles early while the killer mindgames themselves, wasting their time and allowing you to maintain pallets for yourself and your team later on. No other perk can really do that. Edit: Yeah, I really don't like how Darva trivializes how much Iron Will changes chases. Iron Will is quite literally the difference between a 20-30 second chase and 2-3 minute chase with minimal pallets used. That is nothing to sneeze at or brush off. People really need to stop sleeping on Iron Will.
Honestly man, I feel like you and him having a healthy debate about the game is great! Talking different strategies and ways to play the game is one of the best ways to open people's eyes and keep the game healthy and fresh. I love both of y'all's content and I'm really glad you responded to his response lol. Keep on keepin on Scott. Love you dawg
Otz responded to this on his stream and his chat was embarrassing, went full hostility mode towards Scott. Scott and Otz actually have good chemistry whether they're cooperating or debating, it's all in good fun. Socially awkward twitch viewers lol
From what I can tell, his infographic is a display of the best perks for survivor, exhaustion or otherwise, so it gives a little bit of a comparison for the viewer to draw from
@@silenthill3r794 i get that but otzd title is best non exhaustion perk but puts 2 in the line up so eithet doesnt know what exhaustion means or hes just being a bot again
the amount of times iron will has actually saved me, or allowed me to get saves i wouldn't have been able to get without it, it's such a valuable perk.
There’s 2 ways to settle this: 1. Cowshed 1v1 (Winner gets both youtube channels) 2. Parking Lot Fight to the death (Loser’s final words must be their Onlyfans password)
That's a very long way of saying you're a nice guy Scott. 😏
Go to bed
The robot is here! Nowhere is safe.
the robot knows all the robot sees all
Okay mr roboto
sounds like something a robot that's very nice would say
Okay now let's all gang up on Zubat
demopls
Ye
LOL
"unluckyyy.."
Let's shove him in a fkn pokeball
"I'm not gonna take shit from a robot"
*Biggest roast ever made*
@@ThwipThwipBoom Real otz is gone. That's clearly not Otzdarva. I.e a robot
@@qwertyasdfgh9815 facts!
@@ThwipThwipBoom Did you even watch the video? He already explained that's just not his way of playing. It's literally a video game to have fun. Dbd isn't even a competitive game lmfao so don't try to make it seem like it is. This game doesn't even have official winning conditions nor are you rewarded in anyway therefore it can't be competitive.
@@ThwipThwipBoom The competitive scene of dead by daylight is more comparable to the competitive scene in speedrunning. You are competing with other players in the competitive scene. But all the facts point to Dead By Daylight being a casual party asymmetric horror game.
@@ThwipThwipBoom why would he take a page from a robot?
Plot twist: Theyre both robots.
Botzdarva & Bot Jund
WOAH
I'm dying omg
More like Got Spund
Jund is more human tbf
And Zubot
Listen to the guy who reverse chainsawed in to a Quentin in the corner or the guy who got spun by Quentin.
i bet it was the same quentin as well
"Spine chill is the best non-exhaustion perk" - a myers main, probably
I play a lot of stealthy killers and it can be really annoying.
Honestly of IW Is #6, then SC Is #7. Fight me.
@@JagEterCoola where is adrenaline then? It’s kinda a hugeeeee perk
@@josephflash3120 adrenaline sucks unless you have god teammates or swf otherwise you will never get it. Do you consider hope god tier?
@@Leavemealone670 so you need god tier teammates to finish 5 generators lmao
Listen, no offence, but I will listen to someone who was not spun by Quentin
Meanwhile Otz got the reverse chainsaw into a quention hiding in a corner.
@@skeletor2012 ok but otz gets spun by neas and zubat gets spun by kates
@@orber7057 not a quentin though
I like that this has happened over a year ago and hes still being made fun off for it
@@jemtjinaton8042 it's because:
1) it was a Quentin
2) he hadn't been spun in like 2 years
3) it was on basement stairs
Scott in 2027: “And that’s why I think Otzdarva’s wrong, if that even is his real name.”
"Who's dead harding the blast"
I don't remember if it was JRM or Ayrun, but one of them has a clip where they dead harded a static blast so the killer didn't know they were there and then got a flashlight save bc of it. CLEARLY something that will happen every game.
EDIT: It was Sweh, not Ayrun or JRM.
Sweh did that on haddon vs a doctor
@@26Elias26 Yeah, sorry, it was Sweh. I couldn't find the clip and just assumed it was from Ayrun or JRM because of the amount of videos from them I am flooded in.
dead harding a doc shock is very normal to be honest. it can save your life
How hard must the timing of that be?
@@hamdangamingofficial4763 different from dead harding a blast though
7:30 was playing solo queue vs a doctor and an injured Dwight was the last one alive and he dead harded a static blast the doctor used to try to find him, and it was the chadest shit I've ever scene
With dwight i get killed off fairly quickly it might be full p3 dwight but i usually get targeted immediately so i cant do plays like that
Didn’t know you could do that woah
@@ThwipThwipBoom scott was memeing most of this video
@@ThwipThwipBoom no one plays doc and the chance that this happens is so low it really doesnt matter
@@ThwipThwipBoom otz is funny? I like him as a RUclipsr but I've never even seen him laugh or crack a smile lol
Seeing scott grin at the "here in the flesh" joke made my day
I’m honestly curious how long this will go on for, and how crazy these titles will get
My bet: At least 1 week until it settles in a 12:00 hour live discussion
Idk maybe we can make a religion out of this?
i want scott to just upload called "shut up" with him doing nothing but throwing out baseless and ineffective insults at otz
@@MrxD-cg5xs don't
@@puffi8182 "you're a poopyhead"
We all knew this video would take place. The great fight man vs machine
Lmao
More like the muscled spoon snuggles the bearded hologram
I can't wait for this to be a series between Scott Spunned and "Otz"
Dad and Uncle are fighting again, I'm going to have severe childhood trauma
Not gonna lie… when Scott started talking about why their two arguments are different I realized that Otz is objectively right, but I agree with Scott because I play the same way as him.
@Fred Jones Your comparison doesn't work because what you say is a single (nonsensical) decision in a game, not sweating your ass off as killer is an entire playstyle. If you play to play and win by skill, not by cheap strategy, then Iron Will is great for survivors. If you try to win at any cost by tunneling and camping, then you have the mindset of a tournament killer. Noone in your average public lobbies will compliment you on that or have any fun at all. Please just don't. I ensure you, everyone will appreciate it. But with the single objective to win in mind Iron Will won't do much. Have a look at tournament teams. Does anyone ever run Iron Will? No, because it doesn't benefit you as much.
But isn't that only at the highest tier of play and players with good game knowledge? I'm a hardcore killer main but a newer survivor player and the killers I go up against rarely slug enough for unbreakable to come into play. Totally agree on decisive and borrowed time because even if the killer is ignorant of them they effect the game.
@@hanswurst9120 yeeeeah eeeveryone will appreciate it XD I kind of get the feeling you are :
A) playing the strongest addons and perks on a strong killer which is why you dont require "cheap" tactics.. but you could argue if a spirit with mdr and ya is "skillfull" (take this example as a representative of 'a strong killer with strong stuff)
B) you play on a low rank against not that good survivors
C) you dont play that much killer at all (which links to the second)
A lot of surv are really big d***** about winning. And in redranks you often see them bringing all the meta perks (especially dh and iron will) combined with strong items and call you a baby killer or other stupid insults in the after game chat or drop the ggez on you.
You will loose games where you know that if you played a little more territorial. Or slugged some more you could have won the game. And is it cheap then? Or is it the right strategic decision which would actually made it a skillful thing to do. Skill is not only mechanical but strategy aswell.
@@lfr234 winning isn't the most important thing for everyone. You seem to be forgetting that
@Fred Jones And why are you next to a hooked survivor anyway? Because you're camping. Scummy, isn't it?
Respectfully, it’s a weak argument to say the perks aren’t as good as iron will bc you’re not playing sweaty; the whole point is that those perks counter the most optimal killer playstyle. Playing chill is not the most optimal playstyle.
Right
that’s exactly what I was thinking
Its still valid to say that from his perspective those perks aren't as good (DS, BT, Unbreakable), because he's never in the situation to be affected by those perks. If every single killer played the most optimal way, those perks would be 100% necessary. If every killer avoided that playstyle, those perks would be worthless. I agree those perks are better, but they are all still situational. Playing as a killer that doesn't slug or hit injureds off hook regardless of what perks the survivors may or may not have, from your viewpoint it's 100% valid for you yourself to say that iron will causes more problems for you.
But its still not the best tact to call it "sweaty," playing the meta isn't really sweaty
Well how many games do you play really sweaty, I think his point still stands since since the majority of players won’t play sweaty all games. Like otherwise you could say that Kindered is completely useless since if you play 4man SWF (witch is the most optimal way to play) it’s useless. Same with most aura reading perks.
Watching Otz's live stream and he's now reacting to scotts reaction video. What is this inception
if anyone wants to watch it, it's 4:54:10 on the most recent VOD
We need another layer
It’s irks me so much when people say inception about the concept of layers. Inception is the concept of implanting an idea in someones mind and making them believe it’s their own.
@@gmandersson6409 Inception- The establishment or starting point of an institution or activity. Looks like we're both wrong😁
@@thomascunning8248 nah if you're referencing the way the movie uses the word, which everybody is, they're actually correct
The "I'm not gonna take shit from a robot" got me dying
I'm with Otz, BT adds the most health states for a single perk, potentially 6 extra health states for one player using BT on a team. That's an amazing amount of value imo.
Could you explain that I don’t understand what you mean
If a person with BT unhooks a team-mate and that ally takes a hit during the BT duration, they are not downed by it. This is effectively a health state (Healthy>Injured>Dying, except you endure the transition from Injured to Dying in this case). This person, in theory, could unhook every team-mate twice and those people, in theory, could all get hit during BT each time. Thus, six health states of extra health from normal use of the perk. Not terribly likely, obviously, but yeah.
@@jackfinnian2064 He meant that with BT there is a chance to take even more hits, so the killer will have to hit people more w/o any benefit for him. "6 health states for one perk slot" is because you can bring 1 BT in the match and unhook other survivors 6 times = 6 BT's = 6 health states.
@@jackfinnian2064 sure np. If one player equips BT and does all the rescues (not hard to set up in a swf except his own) then the perk can activate six times in a game. If the killer hits the players when the perk is active (by bad decisions or by being forced to) then the player gets an additional health state by going into deep wounds rather than being downed. This can happen six times.
This exact scenario is extremely unlikely but there is no perk which even comes close to the maximum potential of BT, especially given how two BT users can cover their whole team.
Lol others already answered, but at least we all basically agree
Gosh we have are having a savage rivalry between a Best buy fast food worker and a robot. Its too hard to call who will come out on top
Confirmed: Scott does not like slaughtering babies. The baby community can rest easy now.
Thank you
@@Simple_Grey_line I’m glad we could finally confirm this
was really scared for the entirety of my life even before I knew this man existed so i’m glad we can confirm this
Finally, the DBD twin mains can rest
I love people like you all. Please stay being humble bumble bees 😇
1:06 This picture of Scott "Best Buy" Jund debunks any further counter argument, case closed.
Pretty sure they’re just teasing each other
The war to end all wars
That makes zero sense
@@nanimarcator5193 I think it’s a quote about one of the world wars. I remember one of them was called the war to end all wars
@@fred7883 I’m pretty sure it’s 2 reasonable people but one is very clearly acting entitled…
@@fred7883 why did you specify american dbd streams?
@@fred7883 Scott and Otz are buds and have played together many times before, so this video is not “entitlement” he’s just being silly. Don’t be annoying
Infinity War is the most ambitious crossover event in history
Me:
Scott Spund vs Botzdarva
@@Herman_Hedning very cool, no one asked
@@garlic_boi pretty sure he was trynna make a joke. If not, then your commet is reasonable
@@Herman_Hedning again, nobody asked
@@Herman_Hedning you asking isn’t the factor, it’s us asking. What master do you serve?
@@Herman_Hedning “are you from earth?”
Next video from otzs Responding to: Responding to Heretical Claims that Iron Will is Not the Best from Otzdarva
And its 14hrs long and all 1 take
he reacted on stream lulw
“there’s only like 7 good survivor perks in the game” SAD BUT TRUE LOL
Unbrekable,Decisive Strike,Dead Hard,Iron Will,Borrowed Time,Adrenaline,Deliverance,Soul Guard,Sprint Burst,Boon Circle of Healing
@@fellowgoyimwhite7630 yeah granted those are all meta but some are better than others by a landslide
Still think dead hard is the best perk. If you use it against a console player it crashes there game insta escape!
Agreed
Unless you're on console, in which case it actually gets you downed 👍
I know this is a joke but the fact people I had someone tell me they do this just because it can happen is disgusting
I got a ps5 dead hard works fine for me does suck for those with older consoles tho
@@joshuabeaud dbd is working with consoles to make it so if you wanna use dh u need to upgrade
"Jesus.. He's so Powerful" 🤣🤣🤣
"Everyone runs an exhaustion perk"
except me, who runs bond, kindred, BT and an interchangable meme perk every match to spice it up
put autodidact in there. especially if you play with a swf. it feels like a meme perk until you realize it actually fucking works really well once you get those first two skill checks get out of the way
Open-handed actually fits kindred and bond REALLY well. 32m radius of the killers aura to the hook is amazing, especially on indoor maps
Scott, he’s a robot. He doesn’t need a script
“Iron will is the best perk” (against me)*
Well, in many cases, what works against you personally is much more important and impactful than what generically works best. That's why tournament teams (in anything, not just DBD) study how the other teams compete, how they play, etc.
That said, I get your point.
Literally the whole argument that shouldn't had existed.
What might have influenced otz’ opinion on these perks could honestly be his winstreak project. This project forces him to play sweaty, sometimes tunneling people off-hook or soft-core camping. This could explain why to him, DS,UB and BT seem more impactful as he’s forced to either respect them or risk loosing valuable time. Iron will alone however does not make you win/loose a game in a winstreak or at least it’s not as apparent when it does
Scott: This is the strongest perk and here's why.
Otz: These perks are stronger and here's why.
Scott: Well, I don't even want to win so it doesn't matter to me.
I love how when someone makes a response to any of this man’s videos he cracks his knuckles and goes into a response with a smile
Best Buy does sell food. Usually up at the front. You can get sodas, candy, crips, and the like. Sounds pretty fishy that you didn't know that Scott.
I just finished watching otzdarva's video, this is great lmao
Same bro i refreshed my feed and this video was up. Perfect timing 🔥🙏🏾
Nah bro, lot of gibirish. So booring. Who even is this goof?
I think BT, DS and Unbreakable ARE the strongest perks when you look at how the game would be played if they were removed. But if we're talking about the strongest perks to BRING, they're definitely not as good as some of the exhaustion perks. And the fact that you do not even need to bring BT, DS or Unbreakable in a lot of cases, since decent killers will play around avoiding those even when they don't know if they're in use, makes them even less valuable to bring.
they are so strong that you dont even need to bring them which reduces their importance
what a funny thing
"The best perk is whatever you think is the best"
Weird way to pronounce sprint burst but I see you
Hey Scott, there's a few notable exceptions to Iron Will working well against every killer. The Plague and Nemesis can infect, making survivors emit sickness sounds which render Iron Will basically useless.
if Scott suddenly changes his opinion, it is because the Russians got him and have converted him into a robot.
hi thanos kranberry
Or the Canadians kidnapped him
We will not do this. Dont worry.
8:54 80% of survivors at least run an exhaustion perk, either Dead Hard, Sprint Burst, Lithe or Balance Landing. If you keep track of survivors and their exhaustion perk, waiting for Dead Hard is not something you need to do all the time. I would say that the other perks, like BT, DS or Unbreakable drive more fear in the killers than DH.
For me, Smash Hit and Head On are meme perks. I can expect Camaraderie more often than Smash Hit.
@Fornax It's strong at some loops. If you leave a Pallet Gym even after a stun with Smash Hit, the killer will catch up to you quite fast. It has the same problem as Lithe, at some windows you need to waste the perk because you need to see where the killer is coming from.
I wanna see how far this goes
7:35 u can dh through a static blast and get a flashlight save when the killer wont expect it thats the main reason to do it
Best Buy doesn’t sell food? That explains the food quality.
'Everyone runs an exhaustion perk' - Me, who often doesn't: smiles nervously
Iron will is my exhaustion perk slot, I hear you
better joke would be "doesnt sweat nervously"
A "fix" for solo queue would be for survivors to be able to see other survivors' loadout in the pre-game screen
"otz is arguing from a very competitive 'I want to win' perspective." What other perspective is there when you're arguing about the strongest perks in a competitive multiplayer game? The better argument would be you were looking at it from a "whether I take the perk or not" perspective as opposed to "whether it's in the game or not."
I've been getting the free iron will bug almost every other game now. Is it just me that's it's happening too?
Yeah I’ve been having plenty of games where the survivors are silent on the ground. Really sucks if it happens during EGC and I can’t find the last guy
I have actually taken Iron WIll off, because I get this free-Iron-Will bug so often.
Also apparently this bug is actually server-side. Because everytime I cant hear myself, the killer appears to not hear me either. Interesting how this game works.
When I saw Otz's video earlier, I knew we were in for a treat with Scott
Lmao watching Otz's first, I didn't even realize the head knock was specifically for Scott
I also got triggered when he said "that's about it" as if changing your chase style isnt big deal, in a game where chase time matters a ton lol. how many times has he lost a chase because the other person already went to another tile, while he was still looping/mindgaming the same one, but didnt know the survivor already left because of iron will? how is that an easily swept away "thats about it" point in DBD lol.
Literally doesn't matter. Something that gives you an advantage for free is more powerful than something that uses up a limited number of slots.
You can run what you think are the strongest perks, and you'll still benefit from everything Otz says. You get the free ~0.1 effect from the perk existing, regardless of your loadout.
Unbreakable only gets you up from the ground once a match thats about it
This way any perk can sound bad
Using the D&D music in the background must have been comeback for Scott using Otz's stream when he had to clean up after a catccident.
as always i have no clue what Scott's talking about, but i like the way he says it.
I think Unbreakable's inconsistency argument also applies to Iron Will, albeit to a lesser degree. Every Killer has to worry about Unbreakable (Pyramid Head is possibly the best Killer against it since he can cage someone he'd otherwise have to slug but that's fairly niche). It's also a perk that single-handedly demolishes Killers like Oni, Plague, Twins, Myers, Huntress etc... really, any snowball Killer. So it's moderately good into any Killer with a chance of being BACKBREAKING against certain Killers.
Many Killers have ways to work around Iron Will/flat out ignore it.
Plague: good luck hiding your sounds when you're puking and retching lol
Doctor: if they're in chase with you in Madness III, they're constantly screaming (and potentially glowing/revealing their aura in other ways depending on addons) so you're NEVER losing them
Hag/Trapper: if they run into a trap it doesn't matter if Iron Will makes them quiet as a mouse, they're still gonna get slapped
Twins: between Victor's detection radius highlighting Iron Will gamers, Victor's built in Bloodhound meaning anyone injured is spilling Kool-Aid all over the floor, and Victor's playmates when he's attached having their location given away by a loudly shrieking French child tearing into their skull... you're not making many Iron Will plays against a smart Twins.
Myers and Ghostface are both stealth Killers, meaning you need to heal against them to not get jumped, and insta-down Killers, meaning they'll be taking you from healthy to downed a lot without Iron Will ever becoming a factor.
Hell, Nemesis even makes his Contamination targets cough.
No Killer can consistently work around Unbreakable, and several Killers are wrecked by a single Unbreakable just as part of their daily business.
Several Killers can consistently work around/ignore IW, and it only really demolishes a single Killer (Spirit, who is strong enough and has enough visual cues to be able to work around it anyway)
The reason Otzdarva made best buy seem like a fast-food restaurant because he is a robot, so the electronics are food for him.
He found that image on Google. Literally just said that on his stream rn
@@kirstyduffin2486 That's just what he wants you to think
@@theshpee1214 that’s your opinion. If you watched the stream you’d see him bring it up on Google so 🤷🏻♀️
@@kirstyduffin2486 I’m starting to think you are a robot yourself considering you lack a sense of humor
@@bear8485 who cares? Literally no one.
I think you should rate these perks more from a survivor side of view, ds or bt might not bother you when playing killer but as a survivor you get lots of value almost every game.
Ok but we're still nerfing pig right?
"I'm not going to take shit from a Robot." - Scott Jund
Day one of trying to convince Scott to talk about how good Lucky Break is.
He already talked about it in some of his past videos about the patch it was changed in, if I recall correctly.
Also shh, don't talk about it or more survivors will start running it.
Oh god Scott has changed
This is what happens to spin victims
Cleary these noobies have never used tecnician and poised or the secret op deliverance and second wind FOOOLLLLS. smh...
Even better when used together
the ace one that gives you addons that I can never remember the name of and plunderers
@@jamescarrotcsl8 kinda true but it Will keep ur good ad-ons when u escape
@@CZARFAZE green keys with blood amber 😩
@@jamescarrotcsl8 yellow beamer with oddbulb and accuracy increase ad-ons😎
Scott: who tf is deadharding through a blast?
Sweh: so yeah...
On the question of having a way of telling that people have unbreakable in solo queue: everyone bring buckle up
So he saying I can have Iron Will and killers will still THINK I have 4 other perks and they will waste extra time thinking Im gonna dead hard? Epic Iron Will works and the other 4 that I dont have will still work, I just get Iron Will on top of it all
Well since the devs put the Discordance 1 vs 3 debate in the dirt they need *something* to argue about now
You can hear the static blast charging up, so it's actually viable to dead hard through it to avoid being found
Dead Hard through a blast when you want to do a flashlight safe
I whole heartedly believe that OTZ put unbreakable so high because he gets DS's probably 3 times more often than Scott. He's so tired of getting DS over the years that he slugs pretty hard and therefore the unbreakable plays you say are so rare are pretty frequent for him.
"He's playing my music ,the fooker" 😂
oh boy here we go 😂😂 this is as close to live debate I've ever gotten and it is PRECIOUS because of these two special bois
"Iron will isn't the best non exhaustion perk in DBD" proceeds to talk about dead hard and sprint burst for 5 ish mins
I think what’s interesting is that they both agree on the perks, but just disagree with what makes a perk the best. Otz seems to think that a perk having an effect when it’s not there is what makes the best perks, and Scott thinks that what matters is what happens when you equip the perk, which is some really interesting discourse.
The problem I have with the first 3 perks is that they're very inconsistent, because if killers want to win they stay away from hooks and try to get pressure instantly to win, iron will is so much more consistent
Like with iron will no matter what killer u get, it's going to work even if it's a one shot killer once u get saved it will work, whilst the first 3 depends on the killer u get, u could get sweaty u could get a chill killer
except none of it works.
Yeah i agree. With the exception of BT and the exhaustion perks i think that Unbreakable and DS rarely come into play. Usually when survivors have DS they make it so obvious by running around without a care in the world so i can down them and just slug them or maybe even completely ignore them and let them be useless for 60 seconds if they want to keep their DS. DS is just a safety net of a perk that saves you if you do get tunneled which doesn't happen all that often. Most of the time when you get unhooked the killer already has eyes on another survivor and if he does come back then BT will save you more often that DS will.
And as for Unbreakable I rarely see a reason why I should slug. That may be just the way I like to play but unless there is a survivor right in front of me that won't loop me for 25 seconds or take me far away from the slug i see no reason as to why I shouldn't hook them.
@@thesenutties9740 yep the problem with Ds now is that survivors are too scared to do objectives because they'll lose it, which inturn benefits the killer
@@thesenutties9740 also with unbreakable, and there's another survivor is close you will down one and just got for 1 hit on the other then end up going back to downed guy it takes less then 15 seconds and if the survivor is too far you'll just ignore him
Rebuttal on the 1st point: Best buy sells food, well chips and snacks but I count it
Scott got spun so hard he thought he was discussing with Otzdarva
"Heretical claims" I laughed so hard xD
Scott vs Otz out here debating about Iron Will
Me who has spotify 24/7: Where sound?
Me who cant hear survivors anyways, because apparently my game is broken: "Wait, survivors make sound?"
My biggest problem with placing Borrowed Time at the top vs Iron Will is that you will almost ALWAYS get value out of Iron Will whereas there are plenty of instances of you not really getting much value out of Borrowed Time. Yet people only ever seem to consider the max potential of the perk rather than the consistent utility.
In my opinion, new Borrowed Time gets easily cucked by just waiting out the timer, especially if the survivors are coming from basement. It takes almost half the timer just to leave basement lmao It is very easy to just run survivors down now. People really don't realize how huge that reduction of 3 seconds is.
Imo, Iron Will is better simply by the constant value I get out of it. I would probably never run a build without Iron Will.
In general, I just really disagree with the perspective of rating things primarily max potential or "DBD in theory" approach. In theory, a Killer could navigate around Borrowed Time every time by just not going back to the hook or finding a way around body blockers and then you get NO VALUE out of Borrowed Time. Whereas, with exhaustion perks and Iron Will, you will ALWAYS get value out of them.
Hell, I would even argue that if we are going by max potential, then Iron Will STILL has the best max potential of any perk. Iron Will is quite literally a game changing perk that allows you access to new options/decisions against good killers and can allow you to leave tiles early while the killer mindgames themselves, wasting their time and allowing you to maintain pallets for yourself and your team later on. No other perk can really do that.
Edit: Yeah, I really don't like how Darva trivializes how much Iron Will changes chases. Iron Will is quite literally the difference between a 20-30 second chase and 2-3 minute chase with minimal pallets used. That is nothing to sneeze at or brush off.
People really need to stop sleeping on Iron Will.
Honestly man, I feel like you and him having a healthy debate about the game is great! Talking different strategies and ways to play the game is one of the best ways to open people's eyes and keep the game healthy and fresh.
I love both of y'all's content and I'm really glad you responded to his response lol.
Keep on keepin on Scott. Love you dawg
Its okay Scott. You're only human.
Otz responded to this on his stream and his chat was embarrassing, went full hostility mode towards Scott. Scott and Otz actually have good chemistry whether they're cooperating or debating, it's all in good fun. Socially awkward twitch viewers lol
no
Little did Scott know that there would be a new Sheriff in Town named Circle of Healing.
0:20 ah yes, iron will, the best exhaustion perk
Am i the only 1 confused why Otzd added exhaustion perks to a discussion about what the best non-exhauation perks are 🤣🤣🤣
From what I can tell, his infographic is a display of the best perks for survivor, exhaustion or otherwise, so it gives a little bit of a comparison for the viewer to draw from
@@silenthill3r794 i get that but otzd title is best non exhaustion perk but puts 2 in the line up so eithet doesnt know what exhaustion means or hes just being a bot again
@@silenthill3r794 but it’s a complete 180 from the topic 😂😂😂
Botzdarva was crushed this debate
I'm not going to lie he kind of was he's a really good killer in Survivor but he's objectively wrong quite often
Wrong, otz is objectively correct in his points.
the amount of times iron will has actually saved me, or allowed me to get saves i wouldn't have been able to get without it, it's such a valuable perk.
When the killer is deaf, this perk doesn't do anything
True Talent: *brings up old drama on Twitter*
Otz and Scott:
I'm sorry Scott, Otz won in the first 5 seconds.
"I don't really understand that arguement, so I'm not going to respond to it." Wise words
I just came back to this video for the first 2 minutes, nothing else
There’s 2 ways to settle this:
1. Cowshed 1v1 (Winner gets both youtube channels)
2. Parking Lot Fight to the death (Loser’s final words must be their Onlyfans password)
Didn't know you and otzdarva hated that much each other. I'm pretty surprised .
He just doesn’t like robots. Which Otz is. Obviously
You both make quality vids. Straight up.
But that end is cracking my shit up.
Holy fuck I know I did not see it coming.
Scott v. Tru Drama: I sleep.
Scott v. Otz-Dram-va: REAL SHIT?
(I kid, there's no actual drama)
I wonder how long this will go on. Will be here for it.
Man, I love these just peaceful discussions with each other and not just putting down their arguments.
"I'm not gonna take shit from a robot" got me totally off guard and I had to take a minute ro recover 🤣
Now I want Otz to make a video "Responding to Scottjund's response of my response"