Why Darth Vader Really HATED Darth Sidious(CANON & LEGENDS) - Explain Star Wars
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- Опубликовано: 30 май 2024
- Today you will learn how Vader really felt towards his master, Sidious was a cruel and heartless tyrant and this was apparent to Darth Vader first hand...
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Vader hated Sidious because Sidious basically played him. Then made him a slave again.
Daemon Blackfyre OMG I feel that exact same way I feel he was soully thinking about killing him from the very beginning but he had to be more patient and more careful that is why I love that he has his own evil side to Luke friends he has Doctor Aphra and bounty Hunter wookie and evil counter part of cp30 and R2D2 but unlike the cp30 the evil counter part of him is more badass matches with the badassness of R2D2
Anakin seemed to hate Palpatine the moment he was revealed to be a Sith, initially after his turn he thought he could overthrow Sidious and rule the galaxy with Padme.
Well, Sidious tricked Anakin into betraying his friends and family. And by the time Vader was put into his suit he had nothing left to live for.
Saesee Tiin RIP master Jedi
Well ,he still had kids to live for
Cosmin He didn't know that though
He knew that he had a child but not Twins.
Cosmin He found that out some time between A New Hope and the Empire Strikes Back.
Vader probably imagined Palpatine’s when face when killing all those Jedi and Rebels.
Darth Sidious was all that Darth Vader had left after the events pf Revenge of the Sith. That is why he remained loyal to him, until the Return of the Jedi.
cant blame Vader i would hate him as well
I thought he was... _my friend_
LOL! You drove him away with your manipulations!
You only had one friend. A little green one to be exact...
DasNiketin hahaha exactly 😂
Well he threw you to your death so I'm surprised you still think that
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Palpatine: it seems in you anger you have killed her Vader: NOOOOOO ! ( few years later ) Vader: wait Padme died in child birth palpatine: yes..... Vader: WHAT YOU SAID YOU COULD SAVE HER ! Palpatine: I lied..... Vader: ( throws palpatine in an air shaft of the Death Star palpatine: AAAHHHHH ! Vader: Finally he is dead
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Vader knew he had been lied to and that sidious had been manipulating him the entire time. The only thing Vader hated more than Sidious was himself.
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Darth Vader felt betrayed when his wife Died the main reason he turned to the Dark Side in the first place.
His mother being slaved and treat like an animal was the beginning. Throughout the clone wars was too. Then came to Padme which he transformed.
*Beast Titan* The darkside has been at Anakin's doorstep longer than that...
Because sidious killed padme amidala with poison
In canon Sidious seems to treat Vader with much more respect. Is this respect genuine?
Could you please do a video comparing Sidious’ treatment of Vader in canon compared to legends.
Greg It is a false respect and Vader know it.
Sidious still fears Vader tremendously, and thus, he respects his power, even if Vader was unable to take Sidious on due to his inexperience and being stuck in his metal coffin.
BLONIC- ORIGINAL CHARACTER DONUT STEEL Sidious always thought the only thing holding Anakin back was himself. He felt that if Anakin fully accepted the Dark side, he would finally reach his potential.
Greg Sidious also felt respect for Vader in Legends and even a tiny sliver of affection. But Vader, despite hating Sidious, begrudgingly respected him for his strength and intelligence.
You forget, one can respect their enemies even while hating them. To quote an exchange between The Arbiter and Locke from Halo:
" Your kind called him 'Demon'. Was that an insult or a compliment?"
"An insult to be sure, but one with a measure of respect."
That's a good outlook but also though I believe sideous also helped Vader become who he was by testing him. He got stronger and everything sideous did made him tougher and filled with more hate. If he didn't Vader would just be weak for he sat there feeling sorry for himself mentally. If sideous just let him be he would have become weak and pathetic
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After Revenge of the Sith Sidious gained everything, Anakin lost everything. Its says for itself.
K S And taking everything that Palpatine had would have been Vader's way of getting revenge on him
The whole Darth Vader story is the greatest tragedy of the Star Wars universe. Darth Sidious is my most hated.
Colleen Schmidt Agree. But I love to hate Sidious.
petr machacek that is very true
Have you noticed that he died the same way plageuis did he got too powerful and got to comfortable and Vader killed him
You are so right.
Sidious is my favorite character aside from Luke.
I think Darth Vader definitely hated Darth Sidious
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I think Anakin realized at some point he was tricked and that Sidious destroyed every thing he loved
Great video
Thank you, glad you enjoyed
Sith relationships are complicated. I think he hated Sidious _and_ respected him, just as Sidious seems to regard Plagueis with both contempt and a perverse form of respect, even after killing him (possibly at least in part due to the knowledge that he had to get him drunk and surprise him, as he probably stood no chance in a frontal assault).
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Did count dooku hate sidious?
Did sidious Hate plagueis?
Cleel Elezeel Dooku hated Sidious. Sidious was genuinely friends with Plaguies at one point, but the harsh Sith training and neglect destroyed their friendship and cause Sidious to loathe him.
In "Yoda: The Dark Rendezvous" (probably not cannon, but frankly idc) Dooku fears Sidious and probably hates him. He definitely has no real attachment to him and he actually still does have real attachment to his first master, albeit he hides it and refuses to admit it. In this story, which is imo the best Dooku-involving piece of fiction ever created regardless of George Lucas stamp or the lack of it on it, Dooku is truly a tragic character, feeling deep emotional pain and at one point has a genuine desire to turn back to the Jedi cause. It can be derived from his thoughts expressed in the novel that Sidious disgusts him in a way, although he would of course never admit that either.
The prequels butchered him in my opinion just like they butchered Yoda and the Jedi philosophy. Great movies, but on those aspects a butchery
This video DID make my day better. Thanks!
Sidious was such a joker, always putting sand in Vaders suit.
This makes me realize that we would have been better served with a couple of Vader movies in the way we got Rogue One.
This is such an awesome channel!!
Why does Sidious look like he's got an extra chromosome in the thumbnail?
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Its what happens when you dew it too much.
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Love the Lawless playing in the background.
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I thought it was obvious why he hates Sidious. Sheev helped ruin his life
John Porteous He Helped Make His Life Better
They both knew that if either could replace the other, they would do so GLADLY... And they both knew that the other knew it as well
Good Video Love Your Videos
I just wonder how the sith population could grow with the rule of two when master and apprentice always went killing each other
TheCludo Under the rule of two the order of Sith lords only really grows when necessary. I.E. an apprentice kills their master and now most take on an apprentice of their own thus ensuring the orders continual growth and evolution.
So while the apprentice is under the master they can take an apprentice of there own or some masters would have a second apprentice like plegues
The question at the end seems to imply an either/or choice concerning Vader hating or respecting Sidious. I think it was both/and. His hated grew over time, but there was still respect for his power and his ability to manipulate events.
This made my day better
Your views ring true my friend Bessy. Cheers.
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Actually youre wrong on some of these points, palpatine was actually glad vader was handicapped. He knew vader could never defeat him because of his disabilities so he didnt have to worry about vader usurping him. Vader WANTED to kill palpatine, but he knew he couldn't so he had no other choice but to be his apprentice.
Yeah, that's why Palpatine wanted Luke in RotJ as his new apprentice
Ikerus 007 because vaders time was coming to an end he was an old man and started to slow down. If palpatine had young luke he could mold him to whatever apprentice he wanted
WorthyBuilds Vader was aging but was perhaps fifty years old at the time that had lapsed in the decades following ROTS. Not at all like Dooku at eighty three at the time of his death. Vader could’ve lived perhaps another fifty years.
well in part that also vader fault since he could just upgrade his suit to be way better and be resistant to lightning but opted to not do it
"Vader created his own faction"
Can you please make a video elaborating on this? What became of them?
Legend: ?
OT: dead on. Vader accepted the light.
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Sidious calls Vader his friend unironically so he couldnt have hated Vader. Vader held a grudge on Sidious but he didnt hate him as seen in the original trilogy.
The word friend holds a pretty empty meaning in Sidious eyes all that Vader truly was to him was a tool of his creation to achieve his goals I doubt he even had the ability to feel anything, but hate.
And Vader well other than the fact that he wasn't really powerful enough to kill his Master on his own one was has to remember that he was also an utterly broken man who had literally lost everything that meant something too him all he had truly left in his sad and painful life was Sidious you can say in a twisted way that Vader was emotionally shackled to him like a slave was to his Master and it wasn't until Luke came along when he slowly started to break free from those shackles.
Now that doesn't mean that Vader had any form of real genuine love for Sidious as the Video stated Vader clearly secretly had a deep hatred buried inside of him for what Sidious did him and all that had cost him, however the fear of having no one and being all alone in the world was always greater in his mind and thus he remained a loyal companion to his Master until his son came into the picture
All in all you can say the relationship between Vader and Sidious was a match made in hell it was build on personal desirers and necessities and by no means was a true genuine friendship.
Vader is above Palpatine in everything except knowledge of the Force, but Vader still rivals him:
Through his veins courses the bloodline of the most powerful Jedi and Sith, and Ren sees it as his birthright to rule the weaker beings in the galaxy.
-- The Force Awakens Visual Dictionary
Vader never lost potential or power:
VADER COMPLETED HIS MEDITATION and opened his eyes. His pale, flame-savaged face stared back at him from out of the reflective black surface of his pressurized meditation chamber. Without the neural connection to his armor, he was conscious of the stumps of his legs, the ruin of his arm, the perpetual pain in his flesh. He welcomed it. Pain fed his hate, and hate fed his strength. Once, as a Jedi, he had meditated to find peace. Now he meditated to sharpen the edges of his anger.
He stared at his reflection a long time. His injuries had deformed his body, left it a ruin, but they’d perfected his spirit, strengthening his connection to the Force. Suffering had birthed insight.
-- Lords Of The Sith
Sidious views Vader as a threat as early as 14 years before Vader's prime:
"Somewhere in the back of Palpatine's mind, he knows what Vader's potential is. He feels he may be wrong, but he is wary of it. So he's very interested in determining his ability to manipulate Vader and testing his loyalty and assuring himself that this tiger that he holds by the tail is going to stay that way."
-- Insider 157
Yoda and Obi-Wan viewed Vader as more dangerous than Sidious:
"...Even as they trained me, molded me into a weapon to confront and destroy their greatest enemy--my father."
-- The Last Jedi Comic 1
Kylo and Snoke don't even acknowledge Sidious, but they admire Vader:
"You, you're afraid that you'll never be as strong as Darth Vader."
-- The Force Awakens
"Forgive me. I feel it again. The pull to the light. Supreme Leader senses it. Show me again, the power of the darkness, and I will let nothing stand in our way. Show me, Grandfather, and I will finish what you started."
-- The Force Awakens
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Because Palp stole his lightsaber-icecream and he never got an excuse.
Oooohhhh yay, I have wondered about this!
Just imagine how uncomfortable that suit of his was. He hated everyone.
I can't believe Sidious would ever turn his back on Vader and when he did, he paid dearly for it.
Codependency is the best word for this relationship. Fierce resentment of on both sides, but they cling to each other out of necessity
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Hatred is a huge part of the Sith practice, but usually the master & apprentice have personal reasons for hating each other. Vader hated Sidious for his deceptions & lording his power over him but he could not act out on his anger because Sidious had many safeguards in place to have advantages (one of these being that Vader's suit was extra vulnerable to Sidious' force lightning), Sidious was also one of two people he truly feared (the other being his old master, Obi Wan Kenobi) it was only in the end when Vader was willing to risk his own life that he finally destroyed Sidious in order to save his son
So intresting video
In the novelization of the 1st Star Wars (which I used to own) there is a passage where Vader speaks disparagingly, "As the Emperor commands."
In the Revenge of the Sith, Vader tries to tantalize his son by telling him that Palpatine fears him and inviting him to join him at his father's side and end the destructive conflict.
In the novelization of "The Return of the Jedi", (which I also used to own) there are several passages where Vader muses on a post-Palpatine regime, how he must patiently shepherd his son along so is to be ready not too early and not too late. And of course in the movie, how could teen extends the invitation to Luke to take his father's place at the emperor's side.
This of course is a miscalculation. It reawakens Luke's love for his father and remind him off his resolve to see his father reclaimed and redeemed. And Palpatine's slow execution of Luke by the Dark Side lightning reawakens love and compassion in the soul of Anakin.
There is a quote from JRR Tolkien's Silmarillion, one of my fave quotes in all of literature. "For to him that is pitiless the deeds of pity are ever strange and beyond reckoning." It's a lesson that Morgoth, Sauron, and Palpatine failed to learn.
Impressive, most impressive
One man wrote a screenplay in the mid nineteen seventies and it's now 20I8 and there are so many characters and theories and back stories and subplots and branches of the family tree and fan clubs and toys and books and copyrighted material and on and on and on.... It's staggering. All from one little unknown screenplay written by the director of American Graffiti way back in the seventies.
Anikan could’ve killed Palpatine but he needed time for Luke to become a Jedi
Vader finally found out that Sidious was lying to him and manipulated his love of family and fear of loss to turn him. However he knew since he lost much of his Force using power when he was almost killed by Obi-Wan and confined to that suit. The Force is generated by living things not artificial and mechanical stuff.
Remember Sidious had been manipulating Anakin since he was little and really dug his hooks into him after the loss of his mother. He should’ve put more of his trust into Obi Wan but the Jedi would’ve shut him down for being emotional. They discouraged it.
Imagine finding out the guy you trusted in since you were little was just lying and using you to their own purposes to gain power. I’d be extremely angry if that happened to me. Vader masked his true feelings from Sidious and bided his time.
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I say begrudging respect because sometimes your hated enemy has great skills or mind or weapons or SOMETHING... to the point where it gets annoying!
The music was from the Clone Wars where Sidious fought Maul and Savage.
I think Vader truly did hate sidious for his lies about saving padme, but then understood that it was the ways of the darkside anyway but still hated him anyway since that was his wife.
He was definitely conflicted when Boba told him the news and he for sure felt betrayed and hate towards Sidious however the last bit of loyalty towards Sidious left when he was witnessing the child that he said was alive was now getting killed.
Still. From everything star wars I've seen and read. The ending where Vader kills Sidious has *nothing* to do with the Light Side. Protecting your family (who you protect because *YOU* care about them, there were other Sith who saved their families or tried to at least), seeing an opportunity to usurp power from your master while he's distracted? Everyone talks about that act as if it was a ''light side'' action, but it's absolutely not. Sure, the end result may have been 'good', but the way he murders his master has nothing light about it. What's next? Sidious is actually a Jedi because killing his master while he was drunk/high/asleep/whatever to take over the galaxy and install order (which is what he wanted)? Sounds just as good to me ;p
I think the fact he had to think about killing Palpatine over saving his son that was only trying to help him implies he couldn't have really hated Palpatine that much, or there really wouldn't have been much to think about. Though I definitely don't think he liked him either.
Both I hate him and respect him
It's hard to imagine that Vader didn't feel great contempt for such a purely self serving old man who delighted in torturing him and others. Plus I never really figured Vader for the cosmic lapdog type."What is thy bidding, my master?" Sheeesh! Nah, Vader was just on the hook.
Sidious had the means to vaporize his apprentice with the push of a button at any time, but refrained from doing so because he desired a worthy heir and Vader had proven himself more worthy than others, despite his questionable loyalty- which was understandable for a sith.
Vader only turned to the dark side to save his wife and babies (though getting back at Windu made it easier), but when that turned out to be the very thing that killed them, all he had left to live for was bringing order to his new empire, and payback against the man who took everything form him. He bided his time with both, until Luke...
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what if anakin obi wan and palpatine would have died on that ship that anakin had emergency landing on coruscant?
this would be a nice "what if", i really would like to see this, there is much to talk about for example what grevious and all the others would do
Is “The Emperors Message” Is on Blu-Ray Ed. 2011 or Special DVD 2004?
I mean 2004 Bonus DVD
Pffft Palpatine in the thumbnail looks so friggin derpy!
"Beware your master. Beware your apprentice. Never be caught off guard. Only then will you survive." I think it's safe to say betrayal is the Sith norm. After all, their goal is to obtain power, not matter what. With power comes freedom, as you can break free from your master's shackles. Sith code :)
Anakin had plans to betray Palpatine almost immediately after becoming a sith. When he told Padme he would overthrow him and they could rule the galaxy together.
You can tell in jedi when vader is beside the emporer they're ready to attack and kill each other
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I much prefer their relationship in canon Over legends. In Legends he just treats Vader like shit while Vader was a real pushover.
I never entirely understood why the rule of 2 was not abandoned after the fall of the jedi. Most explanations for its creation are based around the idea of keeping the Sith small, under the Jedi's radar, yet still strong. But once the Jedi order was gone, the idea of small numbers and hiding in the shadows was no longer needed... So why not build a Sith order?
Vader respected the way of the sith for the orders ways of obtaining power and knowledge, but hated Sidious due to all that he made him become , stared using his master as the fuel to his hate for his own conquest, had to play it smart to win , paid off in the end.
As soon as he was named Vader, he should have yelled (Liar!) and thrown him out the window after Mace. When the Jedi's asked what happened, he could say that I stopped the Sith Lord and his new apprentice. Now I know why Mace didn't want me to be a master and discover the truth of all this.
What If Vader murdered Palpatine a lot earlier?
So all those sins Darth Vader had done were unintentional.
Respect fueled by hate that was born from Fear...or Love Maybe?
Ah that makes sense.
I think he had both respect and real hatred
If only Vader were more man than machine. The way with the Sith and Jedi are is the apprentice is usually more powerful.
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Sidious never cared all that much about the rule of two. He trained Darth Maul while Plagueis was still alive and he made sure that other force sensitive candidates would constantly challenge Vader. While we know that a dark side user and a Sith aren't the same, it still says a lot about Sidious IMO.
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Dark side leave you to depression and rebellion
The Sith is like high school, everyone hates each other.
Poor vergin lol
I despise liars. All respect I had for my master disintegrated with the revolution of my son's existence. He had no interest in saving Padmè and no interest in helping me.
He never taught him the high ground
I always thought they was friends. Vader respected his master as the master appreciate relateaship.
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Oh I have no doubt that. I said absolutely hated his master especially after learning that Academy was not killed by his hands and then probably out through time found out that how the team just absolutely wanted her dead in the first place anyway but as was said was no longer Darth Vader he became Anakin Skywalker again as he ended his master and did not follow the Sith tradition killing and pure hatred in order to succeed his master.