@@HubNut correct brake disc screws are available very cheap on ebay. There are 2 sizes of brake disc on the C5. Yours is likely the bigger one. Also, it’s possible to replace rear pads without splitting the callipers (unlike BX/CX)
You don't need to open the suspension reservior cap every time you raise it to service position, you can drive in that position at I think 3 mph to get through a flood or very deep snow but only with experience because if it goes over that speed it drops back to its normal position. I've a 2003 C5 with 300,000 miles.
"They were probably right, because people are idiots and like their rock hard suspension" Totally agree. Now excuse me as I go put coilovers on my subaru.
@@torresalex In my defense tho, I've got a BX for when I want soft and wafty, an accord for when I want nice and balanced, and a subaru on coilovers for when I need a reason to call in sick at work due to back pain.
@@adidragan HAhahaha! Love it! great taste in cars by the way, and I wish I could make more folk understand why having one car just won't do at all ;-)
I actually don't give a toss about cars, but I admire people who have knowledge and passion for their subject. They're enjoyable to watch. That includes you, me old China. You make your subject interesting. Well done.
@@nkt1 Yes, it's interesting isn't it! I just put diesel in mine and drive from A to B. I don't even look under the hood. I presume there's an engine in there, because the thng goes forward when i step on the gas. The dealership does all that stuff every 10,000K....but yeah, its fun to watch behind the scenes.
Hi Ian. Back in the year 2000 I had a 406 HDI (110) Estate. Same engine as your C5. I had it remapped to 136bhp. Made a massive difference. It was smoother, the power delivery was across a slightly better range making it more tractable, obviously it was quicker (I once saw an indicated 135mph out of it making my grandad remark “eh lad, it’s nearest thing to flying), and the added bonus was the economy improved. I used to get a regular 51mpg but in the fuel crisis of late 2000, I filled it right at the start and did over 900 miles on a full tank returning over 67mpg. Amazing. Obviously I had to drive like the village vicar to get that kind of return, but a great achievement nonetheless. Oh and yes. I also had a C5 in 2003. As soon as you swapped for this C5 and remarked about the wheel wobble, I instantly thought “I hope you can find somewhere with the adapter needed for the balancing machine”. Glad you got it sorted 👍 Enjoy the car
@@bentullett6068 I seem to remember a very early Hub Nut video with a slightly unhappy Ian towing a 1970s vintage caravan with a Citroen BX, so I'm not entirely sure he could be convinced of repeating that adventure.
@@Ragnar8504 but he now has different circumstances with a new lady in his life with children and he seems bit happier. You never know we could have hubnut caravan or trailer tent.
This reminds me a bit of my 1000 mile a week repping job days back in the nineties and the naughties. The days interspersed with driving, meeting customers, eating at roadside cafes, filling up at petrol stations and staying at guest houses and lodges. It was a nice job tho' it never paid much, but I enjoyed the trips, oddly because it my work gave me the freedom to plan my schedule to go where I liked when I liked. Seeing the British countryside from Scotland to Cornwall change through the seasons was an extra bonus.
Opens tailgate to a mahoosive boot and then says "we even managed to fit a weeks shopping in it"🤣. We are a family of five and I reckon I could easily squeeze a fortnights worth in that space!
Maybe it's a weeks shopping plus the family for a wee under cover picnic before heading home, while he sits in the boot with them criticising the rear wiper's poor performance :)
I bought my C5 in 2016 ('02 2.0 petrol). I was thinking of selling it last year, but now when I sorted almost everything out on it and it drives great, I want to keep it. It is such an underrated car....
An old yardbrush serves perfectly for keeping a tailgate open. Brush head on the tailgate, end of handle on the floor. Very cheap, always works. I had one in my Mercedes W123T for years, much cheaper than new struts.
A local tire (tyre?) company here in town prefers to mount snow tires to all four corners so they all have the same coefficient of traction. If a customer absolutely demands they go on the front of a front wheel drive car, they were told they could go somewhere else. He claimed there was too much chance of them swapping ends in the ice or snow.
Cècile - C - Cinq. A triple barrelled name, how upper crust! Such a unique name is befitting of how perfectly she has slotted into your operational fleet.
I had 3 C5's as company cars and loved them but once I was on my way to Holyhead en route to Ireland I had a blowout when I clipped a curb i had to get a new tyre but they couldn't balance for the same reason as you found so it was awful until I got to Coleraine and got them balanced. One suspension party trick was if you park with the wheels on full lock the car would carry on correcting up and down which bemused many people and also if you stamp on the foot brake when you pull the hand brake on it goes on much more securely because it operates on the front wheels, enjoy .
C5s diesels are usually pretty economical. 47 or 55mpg is pretty economical motoring. Loving the C5 adventures. Lots of great content coming too. You are spoiling us Mr. Hubnut.
My Dad had a DS21 in the 70s - now that was a floaty ride, trouble was it did cause us kids a bit of car sickness, I think that's why makers have gone for firmer rides. My wife hated my jag's ride but loves the Mini and her Fiesta (and even my crashy lowered mk1 mx5)😁
I drive a c5 2.0 in the executive version. This model c5 came with HA3 suspension and had optional HA3+. The HA3+ has the 3rd spheres and self leveling suspension. My car has the HA3+ and the previous c5 i had was the HA3. Its a fairly notable difference in comfort.
I had an Exclusive SE estate one of these in the early 2000s and absolutely loved it. Loads of ground breaking electronic toys (most of which packed up after a couple of years) but brilliant ride and great performance. The kids still say it was the most comfortable and roomy car we have had. Load of space for kids the dog, tents etc etc. And lowering suspension for loading difficult things like an arthritic dog or fitting a top box. If it didnt have an incurable problem with the turbo/get home mode I might still have it today.
Nice video and great car for the Hubnut family, Ian! I hope this will be a keeper for you. Have it remapped, put on some nice Michelin Cross Climate tires and fix brakes and speakers and you're good to go! 😁👍
Had similar issue with alloy wheels on my first Picasso, a 51 plate. Eventually bought steel wheels from a breakers. TIP: use a permanent marker to mark the position of the tyres on the wheels adjacent to the valve in case of punctures. The tyre fitter can then refit the tyres in the same position on the wheels and avoid the need for re-balancing.
On a car with this mileage on the engine, it would quite possibly result in needing a new turbo, new dual mass flywheel, and clouds of smoke under acceleration. DMF or turbo alone cost more than the price of the car, and are the reason so many scrap yards have so many relatively recent cars in them.
I've had cars remapped usually successfully. But the last one a 09 mondeo which I think has a similar engine but with 140 bhp to approx 180bhp didn't end well. While it improved performance and economy no end, at times it overwhelmed the clutch on acceleration especially with cruise control on motorway inclines. And less often in general driving. The car only had 25000 miles on it and was otherwise brilliant so I had it set back to factory. And back to a pleasant drive. Obviously the increased torque, but it was useless if I couldn't use it.
From 28th May to 5th June 2002, in fact, the first week of the 2002 FIFA World Cup, my family had a C5 saloon as a rental car. It had a 3.0L V6 and 5 speed manual that made an electronic bong noise when shifted into reverse. It was quite lovely to drive, especially on the A-381 and AP-4 in southern Spain. 5th June we had to take it back to the rental car agency at Sevilla San Pablo airport (code SVQ).
friend of mine had a c5 and went all over UK and all across Europe with no problems, not sure of the c5,s weight but its about 166 kg heavier than the xantia which is quite a bit, and also fuel tank capacity when full could make a difference.
That digital trip display reminded me of my old Pug 807; features the same 2.0 HDi lump rated at 110BHP. If you think the C5 is a little sluggish...try on of these! But was really comfy and handled well for a bus! This one also had a DPF which was this car's undoing as one of the DPF re-gen sensors failed (I think on the Fuel Filler!) that caused it to soot up, by the time I noticed the inlet butterfly valves were already jammed solid (in a half-open state!) so was expensive to repair as the butterfly valves are in the head and the engine is slanted over just like the C5 engine bay, but the big difference being the positioning of the engine is effectively under the large expansive dashboard with no access panels, so engine has to be dropped out the bottom to work on! Perhaps I should've brought one of these instead!! Always liked the C5!
I just remembered that the C5s have an ECU that learns your driving style and adjusts throttle response etc. Maybe it's getting used to you hooning it now? There's also a song and dance you can do with the dash controls to reset the ECU to clear what it's learned.
I once had a Peugeot 306 which had wheels with no centre hole which was an absolute pain to get balanced. I ended up getting the centres bore out so they could get balanced at any regular tyre fitters which made life a lot easier. Either that or find some cheap alternative wheels on ebay if you intend on keep the car as a bit of a long term runner. Keep up the good stuff Ian 👍
actually I have just remembered ... The Exclusive had automatic rain sensors and windscreen wipers - not common for 2002 - which would also close the windows and sunroof when parked if it rained. Lovely! However..... thanks to the perverse french electrics it would also sometime do the opposite. I would look out the window in the pouring rain and see that Monsieur C5 had decided that the windows and sun roof should be wide open. Ce la guerre!
OMG, a Justy! I drove one in the late 80's with a CVT, which I liked. But that CVT was not reliable, and I couldn't afford a new Subaru Justy anyway. I really like this C5! Not surprised the younger generation likes it as well. And when your video on this came up, the instruction video for the Hydramatic suspension, how to repair, set correct height, etc., came up! And this uses totally synthetic fluide, FYI. Once you get all the problems (brakes, trim pieces, etc) sorted this will work very well for you, forbidding their are no other debilitating issues that will spring up. And fuel mileage is impressive! Well done HubNut, and Cécily !
I have used winter tyres all year round for the last 4 years. The three years before that I had WT wheels in winter (same tyres) and the summer tyre wheels in summer. The thing is I returned to the UK and just left the winters on. They are superior at anything under 10c which being the UK is a pretty common temperature. These are Michelin Alpine tyres, cost over £1000 and seem to last forever. Worth every penny for their grip.
If you are going to replace the gas struts of the rear hatch, make sure you're supporting the hatch with a stick or something similar. It would be a very HubNut moment but I don't wish the hatch to land on your head when you have removed a gas strut. Don't ask me how I know!
They are. I had a mounting point for a strut give way on my car, and the sound the strut made, can best be described as spioink! Required a bit of welding, that mounting point - it had simply given way over time due to the pressure the strut produces while in a compressed state.
I can only imagine. They're rather heavy, those hatches. For a while there, I drove around with a suitably long piece of wood fastened to the roof rack.
Excellent video, Ian. It's great tinkering with cars but there are times when its best just to let the experts have a look and pay them accordingly. Perhaps best to do that with the brakes as well - after all, you are now a family man. Either way, looks like you've landed yourself with one of your best cars, ever. Well done.
I used to look after a facelift C5 estate with the later 16v 2.0 diesel. Bought with 120,000 miles and still working fine when it got written off at 305,000 miles. Only repairs were rear swing arm bearings, two dual mass flywheels and a dash out job for the heater flaps.
Parents had a 2.2 C5 estate years ago. Went on to do over 300k miles. Had a similar issue with wheel balancing in their ownership. Our local tyre shop had an on car balancing machine
I've had a C5 estate for 6 years, no issues beyond normal wear-n-tear and parts are cheap. Recommend French Auto Solutions, NP4 8AQ, for servicing/MOT. They do a good job, reasonable pricing. Alternative to replacing those boot struts, an extendible prop. About £7. The boot strut thing seem to be cold weather problem. Best second hand car I've ever bought.
Bienvenue, Cécile (that’s “welcome, Cecily”). Good economy figures, Mr H - long-term I managed about 36mpg in my 2.2 HDi Exclusive Estate, rising to 43-44mpg on the family holiday amble-down from Normandy to south-west France; maybe mine just liked sipping “le gazole français” (diesel). Fond memories hearing the under-the-bonnet moo from the electric suspension pump; I always hoped I’d get some free cheese the next time I opened the bonnet 🤣🤣🤣
Had a c5 mk1.5 hatchback myself, a great car. Only sold it because I wanted a AWD car when it gets really slippery. I towed 6400 lbs behind my C5! And yes, that was with the petrol 2.0 and manual gearbox. Wonderful to be able to hook the heavy trailer on so easily, just lower and then raise the suspension.
Glad you like the C5. Peugeot also has wheels without a center hole, these wheels can be balanced with a special adapter, not every garage or tire company wants to invest in this.
If the disc bolts are stopping the disc from sitting flush, it would certainly make the disc/wheel wobble. I had similar happen on my MG Montego some years ago - and it doesn't need much out of true for an annoying wobble. Anyway, you got it sorted so thats good.
We had a 54 plate C5 exclusive that we managed to get up to 278k, great big barge with what seemed like big comfortable electric leather sofas. The 2.0 hdi engine and gearbox was completely reliable, what killed it in the end was collapsed suspension- started squeaking early on to be fair. We went through about 3 interior drivers side door handles, they may be made of metal but must be made of the cheapest grade stuff as they just kept snapping. Another common thing is the heater resistor packs, we went through about 4- just kept failing and in these with the climate control if the box with the huge heatsink dies, so does all the fan speeds. Ian, if you would like a Citroen C5 OEM dog guard mesh thing that clips into the small holes in the headliner you are welcome to have mine, think I've stashed it in the garage somewhere. May be useful with the 2 little ones...
I love this video. I got my 2006 Estate with Hydractive 3+ (2.0 HDi Exclusive 6-spd auto) back in May for £1,100 and I love it. The ride is smooth over gentle undulations etc, but over potholes and speed bumps like yours the suspension feels a bit worn, probably the bushes although I'm considering new spheres anyway, had the wrong wheels fitted which shook terribly, got some 16" from a VTR and now it's gone, the gearbox bangs and shunts if accelerating briskly (fine normally), the tailgate keeps hitting me on the head, headlight washers are missing, tailgate glass opens when I don't want it to and doesn't open when I do, etc etc, but honestly despite all that it's probably my favourite car that I've ever had, just edging out my old 307cc. Called mine Long Tim after watching that episode of The Office US. "Me love you long tim."
From outside when it’s idling, you can certainly hear that the ‘acoustic’ engine top-cover is missing. Sounds like an old XUD engined diesel, straight after a cold start.
Had a Peugeot 306 station wagon which is very similar to the C5. When driven carefully, it made like 5 l per 100 km, which is excellent! Cheaper than walking!
Well done for another cracking vid HubNut, you do seem super pleased with your Swapsies "Cecilie" (beautiful name!), as are we ! I would imagine you would be somewhat less chipper had you had to cover the same no. of miles in the Primera, so good times! I'd guessed that the wheel wobble you originally reported was nothing more than wheel balancing, so very happy that that's that (yes I did mean to type it like "that") resolved. If there's plenty left on the the Winter tyres, and you're still evaluating whether she stays on the fleet, keep them where they are for now, as you're smart enough to know where the limits might be (and might not be "hooning" quite as much as you did with the AlfaSud ?! Good tip from Phillip below regarding the stubborn Window, with his silicone spray on the runners suggestion - if it persists after trying silicone, you might want to take the door card off and have a look at the wiring connections for slightly loose cabling. Personally I'd have to get the speakers sorted soonest, again, might just be lose connections (especially if they're after-market), and leave the remap for now 'til she's had a couple more tanks of good quality Coal Stay safe, keep 'em comin', much luv, and again, welcome to the fleet, Cecilie
The rear wiper does cover the full sweep of the rear glass - ie full 180 degrees. If yours isn't going the full sweep, the spindle is probably partially seized / one of the plastic motor mounts snapped off, meaning when it reaches a certain point the spring loaded link pin between the rotor arm on the glass and the motor cam just pops out and it doesn't travel any further (then it will pop back in when the motor direction swaps back). Fixing that can be a bit of a pain - the rear spindle is a pita to dismantle and finding a good used one is not easy (and individual parts for it not available due to shockingly bad oem Citroen parts supply these days) Absolutely brilliant cars though, I love mine and wouldn't be without it. Massively underestimated how good it would be and overlooked it for a long time due to green blooded snobbery (multi CX and Xantia ownership...). Much more reliable, simple to work on and cheap plentiful aftermarket parts supply for all the main serviceable items, too.
I'm with you, I go out of my way to shop where the people are nice to me and where my custom is appreciated. Good to see the C5 is working well, now get the stereo working......
I was going to say, It's not impossible, just call around to find your nearest tyre shop that does motorcycle tyres / wheels, who will be able to deal with hole centres down to 25mm, then you got to Mullins and the sign on the wall said it all! Tyre fitters that tell you these things don't know their own business. I agree, I preferred the BX suspension compared to the Xantia, this is looking good.
That fuel consumption is impressive. French diesels (especially of this era) are far better than anyone else's IMV My Laguna II 1.9 dCi usually gets 55/60 combined and my Dad's Clio II facelift with the 1.5 diesel was just as good. Newer Renault diesels we've had have still been very respectable but they've never achieved those sorts of figures
I've got an Xm with Centreless wheels also. A specialist or the likes of National tyres should have the adapter. If you get your branch of budget national etc to check with their other branches, they can track the adapter down. Its worked for me.
You should have a try put Wynns 325ml Injector Cleane for diesel in the tank. I did it on the way to Germany a long with V-Power Diesel and i got 62-68mpg. In my VW Golf 2.0 - 2005. Did 569miles from London to Oberwesel on half a tank of diesel. More Miss Hobnut.
Regarding the lack of power, have you considered trying a diesel turbo cleaning kit and/or EGR valve cleaner? Revive, Power Maxed and Wynn's brands seem to have a good reputation.
I was given the saloon version of this car by my brother when my Vectra's clutch went. Apart from the nice ride it gave and the 50 mpg I absolutely hated everything about this car. It went in to limp mode on the way home which I found later to be something to do with accelerating to quickly which I found dangerous going on to a motorway. It could be fixed by turning it off and on again. I was embarrassed driving it. It failed its MOT and it had to go to the scrap yard and my sister gave me her 2200 SRi Vecrta which was really quick until all the electrics went tits up. Got my self a nice E38 BMW now and I'm very happy.
@@markandisobel My brothers and sister were all richer than me, the cars were old and not worth much more than their scrap value.. They were buying new cars so instead of going through all the agro of selling the cars they asked me if I wanted them.
I worked at Barclays Citroen in Warrington and the launch model we were given sprung a rear main seal leak before it got off the transporter so I was among the first technicians to remove the gearbox on this, at the time new model..... Which was fun !
Hi Ian good video and I am glad that you are getting on with it ok, and I hope that it's not giving you any pain on a long journey, the name is a bit of a month full thou, all the best and safe travels
My understanding with mixing winter and summer tyres was that it is potentially dangerous in winter rather than summer, if you hit a patch of road which the winter tyres can grip far better than the summer tyres, there is potential for unpredictability. The worst situation would be having the winter tyres on the front, inspiring confidence in the handling in cold horrible conditions, but then the back can't follow and steps out of line.
Chris MULLINS tyres the best company i have ever come across i have had tyres from other companies and always end going to Chris for balancing . brilliant attitude and more than fair pricing cant recommend them enough
I know this is bad, even for me but there’s something I like about the sound of a 2.0 HDi idling. I had one in a 206sw, large engine little car, loved it and miss it badly! It still went well despite being the 90ps version and was comfy to boot 👍
Was driving a Berlingo Multispace (03 plate) HDI when in England in 05 and thought it was a bit gutless. The VW Sharan 1.9 TDi (04 plate) I drove also was much better, probably helped by its six speed manual compared to the Citroen’s five speeder. BTW, the Berlingo was green so it very quickly got called Kermit, lol!
Thinking about this, going by some of these comments, my then 2004, 4 year old C5 must of been remapped. I never experienced sluggishness. It was good for 130mph and more, although I thought the brakes underperformed, so never went that speed again and the miles per gallon was good for 60. Loved that car 🚗 Had it 9 years 🙂
I would say it's safer. If the temperature is low wet/icy and the summers are on the back the front will grip and the back will slide out. If the good tyres are on the back and the front runs wide you'll simply run wide. In dry weather pretty much everything will grip and in wet winters work well especially if less than 7 degrees. Ideally it's recommended to have the same type of tyres on each wheel.
I've never had a C5 although I did look at one once but went for a Rover 75 instead which was brilliant. I've had a GS, 2 BXs a new Xara and a new first gen Picasso. My children had Saxos and one had a BX for a while. I also had a diesel Peugeot 106 with no power steering which was great so long as you weren't parking it. Assuming the C5 uses a Peugeot chassis then they were renowned for how good they were so that could be part of the reason for the way it handles. To be honest I've found French cars in general to be good for suspension.
I used to have a c5 estate, it was the newer shape 1, it was on an 06 plate, it was a lovely car to drive and own, wish I could get another, but I shall wait....
The BX didn't have electrically-powered suspension, the pump was driven by a belt from the engine that used to squeal like a pig half the time. I loved my BXs - had three.
Indeed. Electric pump was a change for the C5. That belt on the BXs must be VERY tight. Can't say I've ever had one squeal and I've owned many BXs. Did have one blow a front to rear hydraulic pipe once though... That was messy.
Oh and on the remap - if you go that route make sure you go for one which doesn't have the ultra snatch throttle response. A lot of them leave you with a throttle which gives you everything in the first inch and it makes it bloomin annoying to drive smoothly/sedately because you're always pulling your foot back. There are ones which don't do that (I had one on a Peugeot years back) and the extra torque - especially delivered fairly low down makes a big difference. You find yourself a gear higher most of the time because it will just pull.
20,000 miles on a HDI Berlingo van from new and it needed new discs, it seemed to be a thing in the early 2000 to give service depts some work... they wanted £250 to supply fit 2 front discs and pads... the van was mine and out of warranty.... I got the parts from a motor factor..£25 +vat fitted in about an hour myself....
While I do think citrons have got better they still like to be awkward I generally admired citrons for being different, but generally avoided. As usual I’m loving this video thank you
I think that is a sharp looking car. By the way, one of the things that happens when cars sit is that rust forms on the discs along the edges of the pads. I noticed that on your left front rotor. If the rust is bad enough, it will cause shuddering and such when you brake. In my experience it doesn't go away unless it is relatively minor rusting. The fix, of course is turning or replacing the rotors.
nice video, yeah, should have mentioned solid centre alloys, rear brake calipers in my comment on other video of this car. to be honest the calipers aren't too bad, but can corrode where the pad securing bolts pass through. same as BX, Xantia. the front calipers problem is caused by the automatic handbrake adjusters not freeing off. iv'e had mechanics trying to wind the pistons in the wrong direction (there's meant to be an arrow indicating direction of rotation). my C5 is also a 2002, and its had rear calipers replaced and the front calipers replaced twice. if your'e not careful a mechanic will say the HB adjusters are seized and recommend replacing them (ask me how i know) but they can be freed up with a bit of elbow grease. 54 mpg is spot on and without the complicated particle filter fluid system is quite clean. You said previously that yours is fitted with AC, but i couldn't see it in the video. one way to see if its present is to turn the climate controls down, if it only goes down to 16 degrees, then you don't have it. watch out for warnings on display, usually dirty egr (mechanical, just needs a clean) or maf, again just needs cleaning, or new air filter or replacing (Cheap). WATCH OUT FOR THE INTERIOR DOOR HANDLES, especially on passenger side.
We had a 2.2hdi auto it was a fantastic car apart from electrical issues that were often fixed by disconnecting the battery for 20 mins, also the hassle of getting centreless wheels balanced
The economy, I find impressive, considering the Toyota Prius is about 60 mpg ,and the Hyundai Ioniq is about 57 mpg, and both are hybrids by comparison. Well done Ian.
I remember now, the button under the rear wiper, that you had in your hand, releases the rear window in its own right, I disconnected it (disconnect actuator in rear door panel) as the rear window kept opening at random moments, be warned!!!, also if the rear windscreen wiper fails to work, it's seized, remove whole through glass mechanism and replace.
Chris Mullins is great, been using him for years for car and motorbike tyres. My C5 only had 90BHP, it was as slow as molasses. I often dreamt of having 110BHP especially when overtaking.
I`d have called her Oboe after the number plate ;) ...... and 45Mpg isn`t thirsty Ian, that`s sipping it for a land yacht that size (so the 50-odd you`re getting is a miracle)
Ive done just over 800 miles this week in my 1997 SAAB 9000 Aero 2.3T. (Which is remapped to 360bhp). And it averaged 41.6mpg. Amazing for a petrol car. But they are quite a slippery design and i guess the weight of 1250kg helps. I would imagine the C5 is near 1600kg.
Wrong cap mate that’s the coolant one the lds is underneath the drivers side cover.
That's HubNut! Cheers...
@@HubNut your welcome from Aussie Citroen mechanic
@@HubNut S'ok Ian. I had a C5 and hadn't noticed your mistake either, in fact I didn't realise you had to release the cap anyway! Lovely car.
You'd have thought the warning on the cap about removing it when hot would have been a clue. A little knowledge and all that.
@@HubNut "there's already a bit of pressure in that". Thank the lord it didn't scald you. I was covering my face just watching.
Ian, that cap you removed was the coolant header! The reservoir for suspension fluid is under that cover.
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@@HubNut correct brake disc screws are available very cheap on ebay. There are 2 sizes of brake disc on the C5. Yours is likely the bigger one.
Also, it’s possible to replace rear pads without splitting the callipers (unlike BX/CX)
If I remember correctly the cap on my DS’ hydraulic reservoir has a little hole. They are not getting cleverer...
@@urshochstrasser8859 true, but from what I gather, the c5 and c6 are very different animals to the earlier LHM cars.
You don't need to open the suspension reservior cap every time you raise it to service position, you can drive in that position at I think 3 mph to get through a flood or very deep snow but only with experience because if it goes over that speed it drops back to its normal position. I've a 2003 C5 with 300,000 miles.
"They were probably right, because people are idiots and like their rock hard suspension"
Totally agree. Now excuse me as I go put coilovers on my subaru.
You beat me to it. I want to print that on a T-shirt.
"People are idiots and like their rock hard suspension"
- Hubnut, 2021
@@torresalex In my defense tho, I've got a BX for when I want soft and wafty, an accord for when I want nice and balanced, and a subaru on coilovers for when I need a reason to call in sick at work due to back pain.
@@adidragan HAhahaha! Love it! great taste in cars by the way, and I wish I could make more folk understand why having one car just won't do at all ;-)
Lol. :)
@@christhesnaildriver Ooooh! You'll have the tree huggers after you😮😮
I actually don't give a toss about cars, but I admire people who have knowledge and passion for their subject. They're enjoyable to watch. That includes you, me old China. You make your subject interesting. Well done.
I can’t even drive, so I watch Hubnut to see the kind of pottering I would do if I had a car and somewhere to work on it.
@@nkt1 Yes, it's interesting isn't it! I just put diesel in mine and drive from A to B. I don't even look under the hood. I presume there's an engine in there, because the thng goes forward when i step on the gas. The dealership does all that stuff every 10,000K....but yeah, its fun to watch behind the scenes.
Hi Ian. Back in the year 2000 I had a 406 HDI (110) Estate. Same engine as your C5. I had it remapped to 136bhp. Made a massive difference. It was smoother, the power delivery was across a slightly better range making it more tractable, obviously it was quicker (I once saw an indicated 135mph out of it making my grandad remark “eh lad, it’s nearest thing to flying), and the added bonus was the economy improved. I used to get a regular 51mpg but in the fuel crisis of late 2000, I filled it right at the start and did over 900 miles on a full tank returning over 67mpg. Amazing. Obviously I had to drive like the village vicar to get that kind of return, but a great achievement nonetheless. Oh and yes. I also had a C5 in 2003. As soon as you swapped for this C5 and remarked about the wheel wobble, I instantly thought “I hope you can find somewhere with the adapter needed for the balancing machine”. Glad you got it sorted 👍 Enjoy the car
"... absolutely fine, problem free ..., I cannot complain at all." Sounds like you'll be changing it fairly soon then, Ian! 🙂
No Miss Hubnut has a idea for that tow bar, known as a caravan.
@@bentullett6068 I seem to remember a very early Hub Nut video with a slightly unhappy Ian towing a 1970s vintage caravan with a Citroen BX, so I'm not entirely sure he could be convinced of repeating that adventure.
@@Ragnar8504 but he now has different circumstances with a new lady in his life with children and he seems bit happier. You never know we could have hubnut caravan or trailer tent.
@@bentullett6068 True, and it's a different car too.
I'm sure we'd all like to see a HubNut audio install video 👍
And yes, re maps for the HDi are cheap and readily available.
No, we would not. HubNut and electrics do not mix.
This reminds me a bit of my 1000 mile a week repping job days back in the nineties and the naughties. The days interspersed with driving, meeting customers, eating at roadside cafes, filling up at petrol stations and staying at guest houses and lodges. It was a nice job tho' it never paid much, but I enjoyed the trips, oddly because it my work gave me the freedom to plan my schedule to go where I liked when I liked. Seeing the British countryside from Scotland to Cornwall change through the seasons was an extra bonus.
Opens tailgate to a mahoosive boot and then says "we even managed to fit a weeks shopping in it"🤣. We are a family of five and I reckon I could easily squeeze a fortnights worth in that space!
Maybe it's a weeks shopping plus the family for a wee under cover picnic before heading home, while he sits in the boot with them criticising the rear wiper's poor performance :)
@@markwright3161 wiping ones rear is vitally important
I bought my C5 in 2016 ('02 2.0 petrol). I was thinking of selling it last year, but now when I sorted almost everything out on it and it drives great, I want to keep it. It is such an underrated car....
An old yardbrush serves perfectly for keeping a tailgate open. Brush head on the tailgate, end of handle on the floor. Very cheap, always works. I had one in my Mercedes W123T for years, much cheaper than new struts.
A local tire (tyre?) company here in town prefers to mount snow tires to all four corners so they all have the same coefficient of traction. If a customer absolutely demands they go on the front of a front wheel drive car, they were told they could go somewhere else. He claimed there was too much chance of them swapping ends in the ice or snow.
So happy to see you in the C5. It seems perfect for you as a daily and compliments Giselle and Ellie.
Cècile - C - Cinq. A triple barrelled name, how upper crust! Such a unique name is befitting of how perfectly she has slotted into your operational fleet.
I had 3 C5's as company cars and loved them but once I was on my way to Holyhead en route to Ireland I had a blowout when I clipped a curb i had to get a new tyre but they couldn't balance for the same reason as you found so it was awful until I got to Coleraine and got them balanced.
One suspension party trick was if you park with the wheels on full lock the car would carry on correcting up and down which bemused many people and also if you stamp on the foot brake when you pull the hand brake on it goes on much more securely because it operates on the front wheels, enjoy .
C5s diesels are usually pretty economical. 47 or 55mpg is pretty economical motoring. Loving the C5 adventures. Lots of great content coming too. You are spoiling us Mr. Hubnut.
My Dad had a DS21 in the 70s - now that was a floaty ride, trouble was it did cause us kids a bit of car sickness, I think that's why makers have gone for firmer rides. My wife hated my jag's ride but loves the Mini and her Fiesta (and even my crashy lowered mk1 mx5)😁
I drive a c5 2.0 in the executive version. This model c5 came with HA3 suspension and had optional HA3+. The HA3+ has the 3rd spheres and self leveling suspension. My car has the HA3+ and the previous c5 i had was the HA3. Its a fairly notable difference in comfort.
Glad to see that family transport is sorted. Plus, it has a tow bar. For a caravan....
Great to see the C5 being enjoyed
I had an Exclusive SE estate one of these in the early 2000s and absolutely loved it. Loads of ground breaking electronic toys (most of which packed up after a couple of years) but brilliant ride and great performance. The kids still say it was the most comfortable and roomy car we have had. Load of space for kids the dog, tents etc etc. And lowering suspension for loading difficult things like an arthritic dog or fitting a top box. If it didnt have an incurable problem with the turbo/get home mode I might still have it today.
54MPG in a C5 estate...... All of a sudden I'm feeling VERY tempted.....
I spent a night in the back of a C5 estate with a sleeping bag at Borth back in 2003. It certainly has the space to just stretch out.
Nice video and great car for the Hubnut family, Ian! I hope this will be a keeper for you. Have it remapped, put on some nice Michelin Cross Climate tires and fix brakes and speakers and you're good to go! 😁👍
If it's going to be remapped, I'd recommend uprating the brakes, going by my experience
@@markfrankham1 he's not going to race it, will be fine 😉
Had similar issue with alloy wheels on my first Picasso, a 51 plate. Eventually bought steel wheels from a breakers. TIP: use a permanent marker to mark the position of the tyres on the wheels adjacent to the valve in case of punctures. The tyre fitter can then refit the tyres in the same position on the wheels and avoid the need for re-balancing.
Would be interested to see this one get a remap. I don't believe I've seen such things happen before on HubNut, would be an interesting first.
Yeah me too, I suggested it on the last video
Remap probably cost the value of the car. Hardly a performance car, and would probably see the clutch off, can't see the point personally.
On a car with this mileage on the engine, it would quite possibly result in needing a new turbo, new dual mass flywheel, and clouds of smoke under acceleration. DMF or turbo alone cost more than the price of the car, and are the reason so many scrap yards have so many relatively recent cars in them.
@@Zadster ive had 3 of my cars remapped and never had an issue with any of them. My dad still has one of them , a 2006 Bmw 320d. It’s properly quick
I've had cars remapped usually successfully. But the last one a 09 mondeo which I think has a similar engine but with 140 bhp to approx 180bhp didn't end well. While it improved performance and economy no end, at times it overwhelmed the clutch on acceleration especially with cruise control on motorway inclines. And less often in general driving. The car only had 25000 miles on it and was otherwise brilliant so I had it set back to factory. And back to a pleasant drive. Obviously the increased torque, but it was useless if I couldn't use it.
From 28th May to 5th June 2002, in fact, the first week of the 2002 FIFA World Cup, my family had a C5 saloon as a rental car. It had a 3.0L V6 and 5 speed manual that made an electronic bong noise when shifted into reverse. It was quite lovely to drive, especially on the A-381 and AP-4 in southern Spain. 5th June we had to take it back to the rental car agency at Sevilla San Pablo airport (code SVQ).
friend of mine had a c5 and went all over UK and all across Europe with no problems, not sure of the c5,s weight but its about 166 kg heavier than the xantia which is quite a bit, and also fuel tank capacity when full could make a difference.
Yeah, a c5 is not a light car by any means. But that goes for every car these days.
Drove a 5 series BMW recently shocking ride quality, so happy to get back in my Xantia.
The thing is the bmw will handle really well and most Citroen’s just wobble round corners it’s each to their own
That digital trip display reminded me of my old Pug 807; features the same 2.0 HDi lump rated at 110BHP. If you think the C5 is a little sluggish...try on of these! But was really comfy and handled well for a bus! This one also had a DPF which was this car's undoing as one of the DPF re-gen sensors failed (I think on the Fuel Filler!) that caused it to soot up, by the time I noticed the inlet butterfly valves were already jammed solid (in a half-open state!) so was expensive to repair as the butterfly valves are in the head and the engine is slanted over just like the C5 engine bay, but the big difference being the positioning of the engine is effectively under the large expansive dashboard with no access panels, so engine has to be dropped out the bottom to work on! Perhaps I should've brought one of these instead!! Always liked the C5!
A squirt of silicone spray works wonders with sticky windows, in the runners, 😁👍
Agree Phillip - done that myself and they glide through after a few passes
Sounded like a switch problem to me. Electrical contact cleaner worked for me "
I just remembered that the C5s have an ECU that learns your driving style and adjusts throttle response etc. Maybe it's getting used to you hooning it now?
There's also a song and dance you can do with the dash controls to reset the ECU to clear what it's learned.
I once had a Peugeot 306 which had wheels with no centre hole which was an absolute pain to get balanced. I ended up getting the centres bore out so they could get balanced at any regular tyre fitters which made life a lot easier. Either that or find some cheap alternative wheels on ebay if you intend on keep the car as a bit of a long term runner.
Keep up the good stuff Ian 👍
actually I have just remembered ... The Exclusive had automatic rain sensors and windscreen wipers - not common for 2002 - which would also close the windows and sunroof when parked if it rained. Lovely! However..... thanks to the perverse french electrics it would also sometime do the opposite. I would look out the window in the pouring rain and see that Monsieur C5 had decided that the windows and sun roof should be wide open. Ce la guerre!
OMG, a Justy! I drove one in the late 80's with a CVT, which I liked. But that CVT was not reliable, and I couldn't afford a new Subaru Justy anyway.
I really like this C5! Not surprised the younger generation likes it as well.
And when your video on this came up, the instruction video for the Hydramatic suspension, how to repair, set correct height, etc., came up! And this uses totally synthetic fluide, FYI.
Once you get all the problems (brakes, trim pieces, etc) sorted this will work very well for you, forbidding their are no other debilitating issues that will spring up. And fuel mileage is impressive! Well done HubNut, and Cécily !
Definitely get it remapped. The added torque is very noticeable. You won't regret it and it could be a good couple of vids, before and after.
Knowing Ian's luck the clutch will expire shortly after a remap 😆
I have used winter tyres all year round for the last 4 years. The three years before that I had WT wheels in winter (same tyres) and the summer tyre wheels in summer. The thing is I returned to the UK and just left the winters on. They are superior at anything under 10c which being the UK is a pretty common temperature. These are Michelin Alpine tyres, cost over £1000 and seem to last forever. Worth every penny for their grip.
If you are going to replace the gas struts of the rear hatch, make sure you're supporting the hatch with a stick or something similar. It would be a very HubNut moment but I don't wish the hatch to land on your head when you have removed a gas strut. Don't ask me how I know!
I reckon they must be under allot of pressure too, to be able to assist the lift from that tight an angle
They are. I had a mounting point for a strut give way on my car, and the sound the strut made, can best be described as spioink! Required a bit of welding, that mounting point - it had simply given way over time due to the pressure the strut produces while in a compressed state.
@@hadtopicausername It also hurts your legs quite a lot if it comes down whilst you are lying on your back trying to fit the bastard struts. :(
I can only imagine. They're rather heavy, those hatches. For a while there, I drove around with a suitably long piece of wood fastened to the roof rack.
Excellent video, Ian. It's great tinkering with cars but there are times when its best just to let the experts have a look and pay them accordingly. Perhaps best to do that with the brakes as well - after all, you are now a family man. Either way, looks like you've landed yourself with one of your best cars, ever. Well done.
I used to look after a facelift C5 estate with the later 16v 2.0 diesel. Bought with 120,000 miles and still working fine when it got written off at 305,000 miles. Only repairs were rear swing arm bearings, two dual mass flywheels and a dash out job for the heater flaps.
Parents had a 2.2 C5 estate years ago. Went on to do over 300k miles. Had a similar issue with wheel balancing in their ownership. Our local tyre shop had an on car balancing machine
I've had a C5 estate for 6 years, no issues beyond normal wear-n-tear and parts are cheap. Recommend French Auto Solutions, NP4 8AQ, for servicing/MOT. They do a good job, reasonable pricing. Alternative to replacing those boot struts, an extendible prop. About £7. The boot strut thing seem to be cold weather problem. Best second hand car I've ever bought.
I saw that derybyshire car collection in the daily mail and thought it would be hubnut heaven.
Bienvenue, Cécile (that’s “welcome, Cecily”). Good economy figures, Mr H - long-term I managed about 36mpg in my 2.2 HDi Exclusive Estate, rising to 43-44mpg on the family holiday amble-down from Normandy to south-west France; maybe mine just liked sipping “le gazole français” (diesel). Fond memories hearing the under-the-bonnet moo from the electric suspension pump; I always hoped I’d get some free cheese the next time I opened the bonnet 🤣🤣🤣
C5 : fabulous car!
Had a c5 mk1.5 hatchback myself, a great car. Only sold it because I wanted a AWD car when it gets really slippery.
I towed 6400 lbs behind my C5! And yes, that was with the petrol 2.0 and manual gearbox. Wonderful to be able to hook the heavy trailer on so easily, just lower and then raise the suspension.
Spray some electrical contact cleaner in the window switches and that problem is very likely fixed for a long time. Had the same thing on my C4.
Glad you like the C5. Peugeot also has wheels without a center hole, these wheels can be balanced with a special adapter, not every garage or tire company wants to invest in this.
Renault has them too.
And not every tyre place knows how to use it if they have one - I had to show one fitter how it worked.
If the disc bolts are stopping the disc from sitting flush, it would certainly make the disc/wheel wobble. I had similar happen on my MG Montego some years ago - and it doesn't need much out of true for an annoying wobble. Anyway, you got it sorted so thats good.
I'm calling it now: Ian will move the C5 on before Rita the Rover is (finally) rehomed.
You heard it first here folks.
We had a 54 plate C5 exclusive that we managed to get up to 278k, great big barge with what seemed like big comfortable electric leather sofas.
The 2.0 hdi engine and gearbox was completely reliable, what killed it in the end was collapsed suspension- started squeaking early on to be fair.
We went through about 3 interior drivers side door handles, they may be made of metal but must be made of the cheapest grade stuff as they just kept snapping. Another common thing is the heater resistor packs, we went through about 4- just kept failing and in these with the climate control if the box with the huge heatsink dies, so does all the fan speeds.
Ian, if you would like a Citroen C5 OEM dog guard mesh thing that clips into the small holes in the headliner you are welcome to have mine, think I've stashed it in the garage somewhere. May be useful with the 2 little ones...
Thank you. I was thinking a dog guard might be useful! ian@hubnut.org - I may be able to collect.
Great lunchtime treat, that C5 looks so comfy to be in to drive.
Looking forward to seeing the car journey museum video.
I love this video. I got my 2006 Estate with Hydractive 3+ (2.0 HDi Exclusive 6-spd auto) back in May for £1,100 and I love it. The ride is smooth over gentle undulations etc, but over potholes and speed bumps like yours the suspension feels a bit worn, probably the bushes although I'm considering new spheres anyway, had the wrong wheels fitted which shook terribly, got some 16" from a VTR and now it's gone, the gearbox bangs and shunts if accelerating briskly (fine normally), the tailgate keeps hitting me on the head, headlight washers are missing, tailgate glass opens when I don't want it to and doesn't open when I do, etc etc, but honestly despite all that it's probably my favourite car that I've ever had, just edging out my old 307cc. Called mine Long Tim after watching that episode of The Office US. "Me love you long tim."
Your dome light is on. :-)
Yes, it seems to have a mind of its own...
From outside when it’s idling, you can certainly hear that the ‘acoustic’ engine top-cover is missing. Sounds like an old XUD engined diesel, straight after a cold start.
Had a Peugeot 306 station wagon which is very similar to the C5. When driven carefully, it made like 5 l per 100 km, which is excellent! Cheaper than walking!
This is so much better than the Primera!
It will be pad material to disc transfer from sitting with foot on the brake whilst warm.
Comfortable, practical, economical, kids like it, it'll be sold shortly
Well done for another cracking vid HubNut, you do seem super pleased with your Swapsies "Cecilie" (beautiful name!), as are we ! I would imagine you would be somewhat less chipper had you had to cover the same no. of miles in the Primera, so good times!
I'd guessed that the wheel wobble you originally reported was nothing more than wheel balancing, so very happy that that's that (yes I did mean to type it like "that") resolved. If there's plenty left on the the Winter tyres, and you're still evaluating whether she stays on the fleet, keep them where they are for now, as you're smart enough to know where the limits might be (and might not be "hooning" quite as much as you did with the AlfaSud ?!
Good tip from Phillip below regarding the stubborn Window, with his silicone spray on the runners suggestion - if it persists after trying silicone, you might want to take the door card off and have a look at the wiring connections for slightly loose cabling.
Personally I'd have to get the speakers sorted soonest, again, might just be lose connections (especially if they're after-market), and leave the remap for now 'til she's had a couple more tanks of good quality Coal
Stay safe, keep 'em comin', much luv, and again, welcome to the fleet, Cecilie
Love the C5 Estates,I'm on my 3rd one now. I've never had one that had no centre hole in the wheels though. My family refer to it as ,'The Bus'.
The rear wiper does cover the full sweep of the rear glass - ie full 180 degrees.
If yours isn't going the full sweep, the spindle is probably partially seized / one of the plastic motor mounts snapped off, meaning when it reaches a certain point the spring loaded link pin between the rotor arm on the glass and the motor cam just pops out and it doesn't travel any further (then it will pop back in when the motor direction swaps back).
Fixing that can be a bit of a pain - the rear spindle is a pita to dismantle and finding a good used one is not easy (and individual parts for it not available due to shockingly bad oem Citroen parts supply these days)
Absolutely brilliant cars though, I love mine and wouldn't be without it. Massively underestimated how good it would be and overlooked it for a long time due to green blooded snobbery (multi CX and Xantia ownership...). Much more reliable, simple to work on and cheap plentiful aftermarket parts supply for all the main serviceable items, too.
I'm with you, I go out of my way to shop where the people are nice to me and where my custom is appreciated. Good to see the C5 is working well, now get the stereo working......
I was going to say, It's not impossible, just call around to find your nearest tyre shop that does motorcycle tyres / wheels, who will be able to deal with hole centres down to 25mm, then you got to Mullins and the sign on the wall said it all! Tyre fitters that tell you these things don't know their own business. I agree, I preferred the BX suspension compared to the Xantia, this is looking good.
That fuel consumption is impressive. French diesels (especially of this era) are far better than anyone else's IMV
My Laguna II 1.9 dCi usually gets 55/60 combined and my Dad's Clio II facelift with the 1.5 diesel was just as good. Newer Renault diesels we've had have still been very respectable but they've never achieved those sorts of figures
I've got an Xm with Centreless wheels also. A specialist or the likes of National tyres should have the adapter. If you get your branch of budget national etc to check with their other branches, they can track the adapter down. Its worked for me.
You should have a try put Wynns 325ml Injector Cleane for diesel in the tank. I did it on the way to Germany a long with V-Power Diesel and i got 62-68mpg. In my VW Golf 2.0 - 2005. Did 569miles from London to Oberwesel on half a tank of diesel. More Miss Hobnut.
Regarding the lack of power, have you considered trying a diesel turbo cleaning kit and/or EGR valve cleaner? Revive, Power Maxed and Wynn's brands seem to have a good reputation.
I'm thinking of getting on of these as a daily driver
I was given the saloon version of this car by my brother when my Vectra's clutch went. Apart from the nice ride it gave and the 50 mpg I absolutely hated everything about this car. It went in to limp mode on the way home which I found later to be something to do with accelerating to quickly which I found dangerous going on to a motorway. It could be fixed by turning it off and on again. I was embarrassed driving it. It failed its MOT and it had to go to the scrap yard and my sister gave me her 2200 SRi Vecrta which was really quick until all the electrics went tits up. Got my self a nice E38 BMW now and I'm very happy.
@@markandisobel My brothers and sister were all richer than me, the cars were old and not worth much more than their scrap value.. They were buying new cars so instead of going through all the agro of selling the cars they asked me if I wanted them.
I worked at Barclays Citroen in Warrington and the launch model we were given sprung a rear main seal leak before it got off the transporter so I was among the first technicians to remove the gearbox on this, at the time new model..... Which was fun !
I truly hope you can start enjoying your C5 to its fullest soon. Smart choice to just sort every niggle out now rather than sitting on them.
This car is a comfort champion in its class, the version with the Hybrid 3 suspension system makes the vehicle drive as if it were on cushions!
Hi Ian good video and I am glad that you are getting on with it ok, and I hope that it's not giving you any pain on a long journey, the name is a bit of a month full thou, all the best and safe travels
My understanding with mixing winter and summer tyres was that it is potentially dangerous in winter rather than summer, if you hit a patch of road which the winter tyres can grip far better than the summer tyres, there is potential for unpredictability.
The worst situation would be having the winter tyres on the front, inspiring confidence in the handling in cold horrible conditions, but then the back can't follow and steps out of line.
I remember watching that video of the xm trying to run away lucky you were quick enough to stop it 😅
Glad you bought it
Chris MULLINS tyres the best company i have ever come across i have had tyres from other companies and always end going to Chris for balancing . brilliant attitude and more than fair pricing cant recommend them enough
Oh there’s no harm in winter tyres in summer. They are a bit more vague as the tread moves around but nothing bad and not dangerous.
I know this is bad, even for me but there’s something I like about the sound of a 2.0 HDi idling. I had one in a 206sw, large engine little car, loved it and miss it badly!
It still went well despite being the 90ps version and was comfy to boot 👍
Was driving a Berlingo Multispace (03 plate) HDI when in England in 05 and thought it was a bit gutless. The VW Sharan 1.9 TDi (04 plate) I drove also was much better, probably helped by its six speed manual compared to the Citroen’s five speeder. BTW, the Berlingo was green so it very quickly got called Kermit, lol!
Thinking about this, going by some of these comments, my then 2004, 4 year old C5 must of been remapped. I never experienced sluggishness. It was good for 130mph and more, although I thought the brakes underperformed, so never went that speed again and the miles per gallon was good for 60. Loved that car 🚗 Had it 9 years 🙂
I feel this one had lost a few horses over the years. It didn't feel much perkier than the 90bhp Berlingo I have now.
I would say it's safer. If the temperature is low wet/icy and the summers are on the back the front will grip and the back will slide out. If the good tyres are on the back and the front runs wide you'll simply run wide. In dry weather pretty much everything will grip and in wet winters work well especially if less than 7 degrees. Ideally it's recommended to have the same type of tyres on each wheel.
Had a Santa Fe. Winter tyres. 48 months in a row as forgot to change them, no issues. 👍
I've never had a C5 although I did look at one once but went for a Rover 75 instead which was brilliant. I've had a GS, 2 BXs a new Xara and a new first gen Picasso. My children had Saxos and one had a BX for a while. I also had a diesel Peugeot 106 with no power steering which was great so long as you weren't parking it.
Assuming the C5 uses a Peugeot chassis then they were renowned for how good they were so that could be part of the reason for the way it handles. To be honest I've found French cars in general to be good for suspension.
I used to have a c5 estate, it was the newer shape 1, it was on an 06 plate, it was a lovely car to drive and own, wish I could get another, but I shall wait....
Thanks for a great video, Ian. Looks like she really suits your needs too.
The BX didn't have electrically-powered suspension, the pump was driven by a belt from the engine that used to squeal like a pig half the time. I loved my BXs - had three.
Indeed. Electric pump was a change for the C5. That belt on the BXs must be VERY tight. Can't say I've ever had one squeal and I've owned many BXs. Did have one blow a front to rear hydraulic pipe once though... That was messy.
Oh and on the remap - if you go that route make sure you go for one which doesn't have the ultra snatch throttle response. A lot of them leave you with a throttle which gives you everything in the first inch and it makes it bloomin annoying to drive smoothly/sedately because you're always pulling your foot back. There are ones which don't do that (I had one on a Peugeot years back) and the extra torque - especially delivered fairly low down makes a big difference. You find yourself a gear higher most of the time because it will just pull.
20,000 miles on a HDI Berlingo van from new and it needed new discs, it seemed to be a thing in the early 2000 to give service depts some work... they wanted £250 to supply fit 2 front discs and pads... the van was mine and out of warranty.... I got the parts from a motor factor..£25 +vat fitted in about an hour myself....
While I do think citrons have got better they still like to be awkward I generally admired citrons for being different, but generally avoided. As usual I’m loving this video thank you
I don't want to be a smart arse but a Citron is a lemon!!
You're making me miss mine, Ian. I had the exact same spec, and although it was underpowered it was great.
I think that is a sharp looking car. By the way, one of the things that happens when cars sit is that rust forms on the discs along the edges of the pads. I noticed that on your left front rotor. If the rust is bad enough, it will cause shuddering and such when you brake. In my experience it doesn't go away unless it is relatively minor rusting. The fix, of course is turning or replacing the rotors.
nice video, yeah, should have mentioned solid centre alloys, rear brake calipers in my comment on other video of this car. to be honest the calipers aren't too bad, but can corrode where the pad securing bolts pass through. same as BX, Xantia. the front calipers problem is caused by the automatic handbrake adjusters not freeing off. iv'e had mechanics trying to wind the pistons in the wrong direction (there's meant to be an arrow indicating direction of rotation). my C5 is also a 2002, and its had rear calipers replaced and the front calipers replaced twice. if your'e not careful a mechanic will say the HB adjusters are seized and recommend replacing them (ask me how i know) but they can be freed up with a bit of elbow grease. 54 mpg is spot on and without the complicated particle filter fluid system is quite clean. You said previously that yours is fitted with AC, but i couldn't see it in the video. one way to see if its present is to turn the climate controls down, if it only goes down to 16 degrees, then you don't have it. watch out for warnings on display, usually dirty egr (mechanical, just needs a clean) or maf, again just needs cleaning, or new air filter or replacing (Cheap).
WATCH OUT FOR THE INTERIOR DOOR HANDLES, especially on passenger side.
Never have truer words been spoken. The public are idiots and like their rock-hard suspension. Indeed, HubNut. Indeed. Give me a soft ride any day.
We had a 2.2hdi auto it was a fantastic car apart from electrical issues that were often fixed by disconnecting the battery for 20 mins, also the hassle of getting centreless wheels balanced
The economy, I find impressive, considering the Toyota Prius is about 60 mpg ,and the Hyundai Ioniq is about 57 mpg, and both are hybrids by comparison. Well done Ian.
I remember now, the button under the rear wiper, that you had in your hand, releases the rear window in its own right, I disconnected it (disconnect actuator in rear door panel) as the rear window kept opening at random moments, be warned!!!, also if the rear windscreen wiper fails to work, it's seized, remove whole through glass mechanism and replace.
Chris Mullins is great, been using him for years for car and motorbike tyres.
My C5 only had 90BHP, it was as slow as molasses. I often dreamt of having 110BHP especially when overtaking.
I`d have called her Oboe after the number plate ;) ...... and 45Mpg isn`t thirsty Ian, that`s sipping it for a land yacht that size (so the 50-odd you`re getting is a miracle)
Ive done just over 800 miles this week in my 1997 SAAB 9000 Aero 2.3T. (Which is remapped to 360bhp). And it averaged 41.6mpg. Amazing for a petrol car. But they are quite a slippery design and i guess the weight of 1250kg helps. I would imagine the C5 is near 1600kg.