When Impact Drivers Have Too Much Power!! 😳
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- Too much power!!
We used my friends a Milwaukee M18 for the impact driving of the SDS Screws in this video. This tool is crazy powerful. Amazon has a great deal on it here: amzn.to/3vRjeRk
I prefer Bosch however - as it provides more feedback and control and thus prevents over-driving and stripping out the threads. Amazon also has them: amzn.to/4aTzWOV (Pro version with three power settings is what I linked, and what I use)
as a daily power tool user that impact seems pretty normal to me guy.
It’s an awesome impact driver for things that don’t need finesse. I’m a finish carpenter and prefer more feedback from the tool so I don’t blow things out. Personal preference I suppose.
@@mikelaplante1837congratulations
@@Wallymakesstuff maybe you’d do better with the 12v instead of the 18v
@@JLColetti1now that’s damn funny 😂 - I have both. But yeah it’s good to have all levels of power imo for different things.
@@mikelaplante1837anyone can do that but why risk it? Use the right tool for the job? As an AV technician I hardly ever need an impact besides MAYBE driving lags into wood for TV mounts. You could be fired in my field for using an impact on a rack.
The problem is that you bought a single-mode impact. Milwaukee sells a multi-mode impact driver that allows you to control the torque to a degree.
It’s not mine, it’s my friends. I use a Bosch with multi mode which was at the bottom level of our scaffolding. Good to know Milwaukee has multi mode.
But that’s for the professionals!😢
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Adjustable speed trigger and ratchet torque test are a good bypass
@@Wallymakesstuff you stole the scafold fixers impact? 🤣🤣🤣 please say it didnt have a bit in it for nuts too
This is exactly why the impact driver torque war is stupid. The consumers are cheering on the companies as the drivers become overpowered for their intended purpose.
Thank you for being the voice of reason in the sea of numbers and hype!
What they need to work on is the power of the battery skill saw, and all of them struggle
Agree, I have a 18 month old makita lxt, I have no idea on nm of tourq but it is sufficient, I certainly don't need any extra tourq.
Yeah, we aren't all driving in headbolts on a train engine lol
Wrong, when you’re driving 80 - 100mm roofing screws into steel or even timber all day the “driver being overpowered” is what keeps it from from being overworked and running into heat or other issues These high torque ones are the only ones that actually go all day without having to stop
Bought an m18 when you needed an m12
I call setting 3 "destroy", yeah she's a mighty driver
1. That beam has more ridges and valleys than the western United States.
(Sanding or properly planeing would fix this flaw)
2. M12 surge gives the best feedback for installation and removal of household fasteners.
3. The beam has a split at the end.
(Epoxy single part quick set)
Yeah that’s because that’s the low end Milwaukee impact. I have the m18 fuel surge and it has different mode settings on which auto stop at different torque amounts
I find yhe torque war between the companies to be rather silly. Back in the early 80s i found an old eletric impact from a factory line for heavy equipment axle assembly. The impact itself, has over 13,000ftlb of torque. I thought that was awesome when i was younger, now i know why EVERY one at the factory was set to the lowest setting, you literally cannot hold that thing without ripping your arm apart and is likely the reason they stopped making them like that. Its so powerful when i had a jig set up to test the torque thinking it qas only maxxing out at 1,000, it instantly ripped yhe jig apart and sent my buddy who was holding the one end down with an attached 4 foot long lever on the end, got lifted up and launched by it so fast he cpuldnt stop the trigger. It was wild
Omg that’s insane!!!
Finger control tells you exactly how much further to go, without going too far.
You'll hear the hits slow down if you use finger control to just apply enough power to turn the screw slowly. When it stops, the screw is seated.
Lags are intended for shearing purposes, there’s no reason you need to worry about how much compressing it’s doing. You tighten it until the head touches the surface. Done
Agreed, you don't need nut busting torque , I use Makita for the 25 yrs and have always had enough power doing jobs like this or several other kinds of work and not run into problems and some of the new ones have settings to help with these installments 👍
You don’t want it to struggle, having to look at your work is normal.
Except when you can’t see the work. The video doesn’t show it well, but this was on scaffolding and the camera was shooting from an area I was unable to see from. The lower part of the bracket blocked my view. And there are other models with controlled speed and power for the purpose of more control. Shorts sometimes don’t offer time for all the context.
I have an M12 and M18 Fuel inpact drivers. The M18 has so much power it barely impacts and just drives smaller screws straight in. I use the M12 most of the time. And the M18 for lag screws or ather large fastners.
That’s a good way to go. I’d think the m18 is perfect for driving deck screws to save a ton of time on that.
Same, then I prefer a large 18v drill for anything over 4-5"
This is the way to go. I have the gen3 M18 and the M12 and I use the m12 95% of the time. Mode 1 is light hand tight, mode 2 with one impact is moderate hand tight. Mode 3 is give'r. The m18 might as well not have modes. I only ever use it in mode 3 for putting down big screws fast. It's faster with deck screws than the m12 and works great for that, but it's awful for handyman jobs around the inside of the house.
It’s the right tool for the job. It’s equipped with a VARIABLE speed trigger. Master that thing and you won’t need a 3 mode.
When torque settings are needed I prefer a drill.. Set it and forget it
I’ve been using the flex quick eject and if you use it on the small self tap mode it’s perfect for low torque applications as soon as it sinks it cuts out almost like a clutch. Been using it on cabinets with no issues. Was previously using a drill with a clutch.
That’s awesome, I’ll have to check it out!
Which is why I have a brand X 16 volt drill/driver for everyday small jobs. It beats using a hand held screwdriver but won't overdrive like an impact driver.
The new impacts have speed control which I quite enjoy
True the new Milwaukee stuff is ridiculous, they got me buying the last generation.
i broke the bitholder with mine, it was supposed to be rated for impact (brand is Ironside and it was a small yellow bit pack with a carbine hook)
I’ve broken many myself. But then again I go through thousands of screws per year.
Unironically I use the baby 1.5 batteries on mine so that it doesn’t drive short screws too fast.
My 12v pair does about 75% of my work. then the 20v and 20v high impact wrench -- which I rarely use.
Just throwing numbers, but for regular folks who aren't mechanics, 12v usually does the job just fine.
If anything's the problem, it's that folks over-torque, stripping, cross-threading, and sheering.
If you want more feedback from the tool try your regular drill with the clutch set where you prefer.
Try the surge now that ones a screw ripper since you can’t hear it impact distinctly
The main reason I haven’t gotten one. Tired my buddies out and immediately said I can’t use this because I have no idea what kind of resistance I’m hitting based on there being no sound or feedback. I’ll stick with my gen 2 impact
They don’t have power control stages.
Dewalt has power settings
The price these things are nowadays they ought to put torque settings on them
There's a variable trigger like almost every drill or impact on the market. Why most people use it as an on/off switch has always bugged the hell out of me.
Try using a drill with the clutch set to the correct setting.
That would be the correct way to drive those fasteners without damaging the work.
That’s his point. Lowest setting is too coarse.
@@joshsmithward8848 no it's not. He's not using a drill so where's the clutch 😂
Just gotta know how to use that finger right
I love my makita impact for things like this. I do alot of finish work so i know the feeling. Also met a door guy that uses that bosch 4 in 1 and i gotta say that tool is way too overlooked for what it can do.
Thanks for the feedback - (no pun intended 😂). I own that Bosch and it is so nice! (I was using a friends tool since it was handy, in this video).
Understandable not to be used to the way they work but for jobs that require more finesse you can use the power selector on 1 or 2 if 1 isn’t enough. Milwaukee impacts kick ass
I find that my M12 Fuel is plenty powerful. It’s more powerful than any 18 volt brushed impact drivers and some 18 volt brushless impact drivers. Even the M18 Fuel Gen 3 is ridiculously power.
Especially when your going through half inch of wood and half inch of drywall can’t believe it’s that strong
If youre waiting for the tool to struggle, youre doing it wrong. Drivers are for not struggling, that's why they have the driving power of the anvil, multiple settings, variable speed triggers, tightening modes that stop when the fasteners get tight..... You want a weak tool, dont use an M18, stick with your bullsh...i mean bosch.
Press on the trigger less… it’s an impact that have no variable speed mode (ie speed 1,2,3). My uncle has one… I think it sucks because it’s so weak and you have to get a good sense of how hard to squeeze
Bottom line. Get an impact with multiple speed options… I use speed 1 for screwing delicates shid, speed 2 for regular screwing, and the only time I use speed 3 is when I’m using torx screws that won’t be seems
In my opinion, it’s a trigger issue not a power issue. For this reason I prefer the dewalt lineup for drivers. Much smoother power metering.
Best trigger is makita
Meanwhile Milwakee be like 'all then need is a fraction of our power' 😂
Harbor freight hercules impacts have a nice trigger that allows you to go really slow
I get your point but that is a job for a drill driver with the clutch set appropriately.
Try using the trigger like a throttle in your car. I have no issues with mine. If you use it only at 0 or 100% you are using it wrong.
Definitely a production tool. Framing etc.
I have an electric Rigid and it's the most powerful hand drill I own and the most dangerous. It does not have torque settings and a couple of times it felt like it almost broke my wrist because the bolt jammed but the drill kept spinning. I'm going to try and find one that has the power but adjustable!
My rigid has the speeds/impact levels and I use them all depending on the application
Thats one problem with these chynese battery tools in general, they have very poor quality triggers with bad or no speed control. Even without mutiple speed settings a good trigger would allow for complete control.
Put it on screw mode or 1 it will work out
If you want a tool that sounds like it is struggling while securing a fastener you should try some ryobi!
I own bosch and I can dig this video
If you know you know right!?
If you're using you're tool to the point its struggling, your tool isnt powerful enough, and most likely not going to have a good long life. Also, this is what variable speed impacts are for.
I gladly prefer a bosch jack hammer 4 years of heavy use no maintenance 10 hour work days Monday to Friday used for gold mining in Mexico vs Milwaukee 2 months of usage dead ☠️ certain tools from certain brands are better 😐 I Like my Gen 2 bosch freak 2 in 1 blue tooth impact 1/2 inch chuck for sockets taking off lug nuts hollowed out center for 1/4 inch bits 🤷♂️
I love my Bosch tools also! They seem much more designed around control and function than speed. I’m a professional also - never had a Bosch fail, but I’ve burned through DeWalt and Milwaukee fairly easily before I switched.
From what I understand a trick of the trade is don't use ratchet guns on wood usie actual drill on wood, and the compression tension will slow it down the ratchet mechanism will cause it to drive through
I use an impact driver on wood - but it has multiple settings and a highly variable trigger rate. It works great. (Bosch, and I know Milwaukee has one like this too). But the single speed high powered versions are overkill for finesse work and you’d be better off with a drill in that scenario.
to be fair there is no way you can determine what the torque actually is no matter what pistol you use, much like a tire shop cannot when they blast on lugnuts and claim to do it all the time or have familiarity with the tool. get it close and then finish with a torque wrench. if you must go for "good and tight" or go by feel just use a socket.
This sounds like a first world problem to me. Love my Milwaukee’s but that is a small price to pay. If it’s the gen four then it’s also crazy quiet compared to the rest so it seems extra powerful when it’s really just way quieter.
I have a milwaukee 3/8 angled ratchet, I have to slow it down sometimes because it could snap off bolt heads...
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I work in HVAC and have one of the first gen brushless HP 3 speed impact drivers (the one with three LEDs on the nose) from Ryobi and I normally run second speed and know how to feather the trigger so as to not overdrive or strip screws. I only break out speed 3 on 1/2" and 9/16" fastener heads. There is a point where too much speed can lead to stripped threads because of too much power.
I actually prefer my Milwaukee M12 Fuel Impact (Model 2553-20) because it has different settings. I had that same M18 impact, and it was a beast lol but for more finesse I prefer my M12. Hell, I use my M12 stuff more than my M18 anymore. M12 has plenty of power it surprised me when I bought into the system. But you're right, it doesn't give you any feedback, it's a workhorse.
It kind of reminds me of trucks battling for mpg’s at the expense of important things that once made them serve their purpose. (V8’s and steel vs turbos and aluminum/plastic) - but if you’re not taking your truck to work or off-road then that’s a moot point.
And that’s why I have the Surge! 😃
If you want feel and control, just learn how to use a trigger and buy a regular drill. Impacts are not for precise or delicate work.
The M12 installation driver is great for finish work.
Oh i bought something and wouldntchaknow its just too good. They work fine
😂
This video actually makes me want to go out and buy one…thank you
Buy something better than this one.
It doesn’t mean it’s a bad tool, just the wrong tool for the job.
Thats what she said
People need to learn how to use variable speed triggers i barely take mine out of speed 3
Why do they call tek drivers impact drivers? Impact drivers have a 1/2" square drive for sockets. Like the original impact drivers that you hit with a hammer. Driver drills have chucks and tek drivers clip the hex shaft bits in.
I ordered 12 volts for our guys at work so they wouldn’t tear up our tooling
You can actually hear tone difference as it tightens up to the wood and metal just saying
The tool is doing it's job and it's your job to use the right tool. This is why instillation drivers and drills with clutches exist. Do you realize how silly "going by the sound of the tool struggling" sounds? Hell, your battery life has just as much to do with that as the impact driver
I apologize for offending you.
@@Wallymakesstuff No worries man, I appreciate the apology. You had me stressing, I thought you might be a moron.
I was taught that we heat the block and use it to break bolts loose, not drive them in bc you'll strip the threads inside. And to always tighten and torque by hand to keep even pressure with all surrounding bolts so the surfaces mate properly, no gaps or stretching
This is an "impact screwdriver" rather than an "impact wrench".
It's built for a different purpose, namely, installing screws, not removing bolts.
Your statement is 100% true when installing bolts in a mechanical assembly.
When screwing things together on a construction site, you can often just impact drive screws in. (From what I gather, I'm an engineer, not carpenter or joiner)
@@richardwillson101even on a construction site, theres still things you want to tighten evenly so they fit properly. You cant always just fo full bore until it stops spinning then move to the next. You can either sink it too far, or throw it out of aquare
I personally prefer Milwaukee for mechanic work
Yeah seems like it would rock for that type of work. This one belonged to my friend. I use a Bosch for my carpentry business.
do you need an impact for that or would a regular cordless drill give you better feedback
There are many things to go into on this here video. Just know that they get more powerful and there are less powerful. Know your tool
Same problem for me.. I mostly use molly anchors in drywall most of the time and it drives it through every god damn time.. so I need to re-do the whole process..
Yeah - some models just don’t offer much variability in the control or sound feedback. I own the Bosch pro model for my business and it has a lot more finesse. Many on this post have stated the Milwaukee fuel surge and the M12’s offer more control. Thanks for keeping your comment productive 👍
You're using the wrong tool for the job, like 98% of people that don't know what an impact is for.
Triple hammer
You just have to use a crappy Milwaukee bit on it.. I can't believe how bad the bits are vs. the tools.. They round off and slip from the fasteners so you don't need feedback, just hold the trigger until the bit fails and you:re good..
I’d actually say if it can put it all the way in it’s good.
Two or three clicks past the bottom does most tasks.
If your impact doesnt have a multi mode you bought the wrong impact
I remember when ryobi and Hitachi/hikoki were the only ones with soft starts
Removed them around 2015-2017
Added then back when the rest of companies started adding multi mode impacts
My buddy bought this one. I use a variable speed Bosch. Multiple settings, and a trigger that has more variable control.
That’s the baby
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Don’t worry, it’ll break soon and you’ll be using the Bosch full time😅
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You could always change the settings instead of running it at full wack 🤔
My Milwaukee is so powerful👆🏻🤓
Add a washer. Just say, you might get into troubles there
Get the one with power settings....
I personally just use my eyes
Looks like a job for a drill driver rather than an impact driver.
Just f’in send it bud
Get yourself a cryobi. The struggle you need will be there. I mean Ryobi. I prefer Dewalt, guaranteed tough.
you wouldn’t have to struggle to see the head of the screw if your phone wasn’t in front of your face
I'll take a good impact driver all day over one that struggles. You should start buying tools from dollar general. If that's what you like.
Just wait till you pick up a gen 4 fuel 😂
I just might, for automotive needs.
You would know because your hand would be smacked against the ceiling.
i’m just tryna park my scorpius in a polaris. without becoming poor.
That’s why you use the drill and set the clutch😅
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Milwaukee on top always 👑
I feel like your asking a driver to to a drills job …. They also make impact drivers with variable modes 😂😂
I have a variable speed Bosch. This was my friends driver.
Ryobi doing things!
Aaah so it works, neat…
My Milwaukee’s have a lower setting. Do the non-fuel versions not have that?
Seems to be the case. Bosch is the same way. That’s what I’ve been running. This one was my friends.
If you hear that noise that means it’s struggling at least a little bit
Drills and impacts are already powerful enough for the job required. They should spend time trying to improve other tools in the brand that are actually underpowered. Gets to a point when too much power is just stupid and no one cares anyway if you can sink a bolt 0.000003 seconds faster than the other guy.
Exactly.
Does it not have a variable trigger?
Use the app
And set the drive
Wasn’t aware that was an option.
@@Wallymakesstuff only works with one key models I believe.
I’ll keep my Milwaukee 😊