Stephan Acting Weird in Jennifer Soto's House Before Madeline Soto Disappeared | 2nd Roommate, Pt. 3
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I agree! No excuse for sending your 13 year old to sleep in bed with your 37 yr old boyfriend!!! It's infuriating. She should be facing charges for that alone.
Ex-boyfriend ! It’s infuriating!
If the don’t charge her than I lose all hope for true justice.
The roommate seems more upset than Jen was in all and any of her interviews
It was very telling of her own trauma because she felt guilty and blamed herself. She's been gaslit and trying to compute 😢
This is a reaction of a real mother!
Yes! We need more Madeline! I think we're all so invested because it was such a tragedy what happened to her. A PREVENTABLE tragedy.
The way she cries for Maddie and feels guilt for what happened (even though not her fault) is how Jen should have acted. She seems more upset than Maddie's actual mom does.
She shows guilt, which I believe, but not all of it feels genuine. “At the end of the day, I (Natalie) don’t want beef” is a disaster waiting to happen.
The Spanish-speaking roommate seemed the only truly honest one, genuinely shocked at being a victim-unlike Natalie, who chooses ignorance… 😩
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Natalie is involved with Jenn's family and has been her sister's best friend forever. There is no way she is going to tell the truth about Jenn. She made it very clear she put culture and family first and she considered what happened to Maddie family business. That's why the police put her name out there. They don't believe she is telling the full truth.
My God this Poor Beautiful child, I hate that she is no longer with us, but I am glad to know she will never be harmed again! She is resting in Gods arms now . RIP Sweetheart ❤
Amen 🙏🏼
Jen saying the woody Allen comment proved she was insecure of SS being interested in her daughter and taking him away from herself.
I believe she is the one who flipped out and k*lled that poor child
It’s pretty clear that Jenn didn’t love Maddie-everything she says about her is extremely negative. 😢
Reminds me so much of my relationship with my "mother" it's scary 😨 There's defo a level of jealousy there. Jenns gonna be in a prison of her own making now. For life. She has to live with her inability to protect her daughter forever.
A partition area for a vulnerable 12 year old girl in a home with roommates is the first red flag 🚩 Jenn didn’t care about Maddie’s well being whatsoever.
Yeah. And this roommate had a son Maddie’s age! Their whole living situation is insane to me.
He was 17 I thought.
Regardless it's so wrong!@@jenniferruth812
It’s just so sad, I remember being a teenager and being locked in my room, picking out clothes, talking on the phone, doing what teenagers do! And that poor girl had a see through box in a living to live in. Sigh! Justice for Maddie!
And yet, Jennifer didn't send her to that partition area in the living room, she send her to this monster's bedroom.
No way Jenn was fooled- there is no way. I cannot believe she didn’t know.
There was nothing wrong medically or physically with Maddie except for her mother and SS!
Anyone! Someone! Please make it make sense, bc no one seems to be addressing this. EVERYONE, family, friends, roommates, SS and JS themselves ALL say that Maddie and Jenn always slept together. Jenn says she can count on one hand how many times she SENT SS and Maddie to sleep upstairs, but yet Maddie had a room in the living room where the whole home could see in. HOW are there 1700 images of Maddie that NO ONE knew about?? Something doesn't pass the smell test!
I don't think the renters were there very much. But Jen was almost always there.
Probably when no one was home but them two.
Literally!!!! None of this feels right. Not a single person seems on track.
@@HerMajesty1 but they say the same thing!
@@squishybear5728 not according to Jenn, who was ALWAYS there
Everyone else seems to be more emotional of what had happened to Maddie than her own mother.
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Jenn expressed none of this pain, emotion, distress or anger. She knew the truth and was likely involved in the cover-up. The roommate is showing more genuine feeling than Jenn ever did in her interviews. Jenn was more concerned about Stephan.
This lady sounds more empathetic and upset for Maddie than Maddies own mother, so sad anf depraved. I wish Maddie all the love she deserves up in Heaven. So ridiculous ppl have children and then allow/do this to happen to them.
She’s the only person who has seemed genuinely upset by Maddie’s whole situation.
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If you listen to the other roommate’s interview, she said that Jen did not like sleeping alone. So they kept saying it was Maddie, but Jen seems to have fostered a codependent relationship with her daughter.
It is so disturbing...And SS wasn't even renting that room. It was vacant!! Jennifer's ex husband Steven also said Maddie didn't want to sleep alone, but he didn't like that. Also, Jennifer said that Mattie didn't like the make shift room because of spiders and it was too dark. I can see that. After all it was right next to the front door and right off that kitchen. As a kid, I wouldn't want that. But, I do understand what you are saying. There is an easy way to wean kids off of wanting to sleep in their parent's bed!
One thing about these peds are they are sneaky bstrds.
Yea how about giving up YOUR BEDROOM TO YOUR CHILD!?! JENN IS AS SICK AS SS
Rest in power Maddie
There is a strong resemblance between Jen and Maddie. I hope Jen sees Maddie every time she looks in the mirror.
Except that Maddie is objectively much better-looking. She was still in her awkward years, I'm sure she would have blossomed into a stunning young woman, had she been given the chance to grow up 😢
So true. I hope that also.
Jen was jealous of Maddie which is why Jen was getting Botox treatment although she couldn't hold a job
@@sheilaconcitis8385Pretty odd isn't it? That she was able to afford Botox with her lack of regular employment. Not to mention the weight loss surgery. It makes you wonder where the money was coming from for all that. That makes me very suspicious of her right along with stephan.just my opinion.
Even jens sisters best friend/roomates can say and react like you would think a "normal" person would. She is crying and blaming herself and saying she wished she had paid more attention, but I've never heard jen say anything remotely close in all these interviews. That's why I feel she already knew or at least assumed something. She juat doesn't react like a caring,loving mom would.....in my opinion thanks for sharing this Gavin. Happy belated birthday 🤍
If I remember correctly, even SS’s mom cried for Maddie o their interview Hidden True Crime. But Jen only cries when LEOs are being ‘mean’ to her.
@@jenniferruth812 so true
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If Jen takes medication that makes her sleep extremely soundly, why did she have to kick Maddie out of bed? I just don’t get it. The medication would let her sleep through anything.
Exactly I take mirtazapine for my insomnia, and my 5 year old will come on my bed and be a gymnast. Doesn’t bother me none, soon as she goes to sleep, I carry her right back to her bed. Jen is full of it!
Exactly, it makes no sense. But even if that was the case, why not send her to sleeping in her own space? Sending her daughter to sleep with a grown up man, makes no sense, unless J.Soto did it purposefully.
@@katiathompson5508 right! No excuse for the nonsense. She should go to jail for the clear fact that she did something like that! It’s disgusting and unjustifiable. There’s nothing that she can say to make it make sense!
It will.. I was on bipolar meds for years and my daughters slept with me.. never a problem with them waking me up accidentally.
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How can you say it’s not her guilt to feel ? everyone in that home is guilty of not being present , and they all failed miserably .
It makes me want to scream with how everyone has been more emotional & concerned about Maddie than her own mother.
She seems more distraught than Jenn!
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Disagree. Besides it's too f****** late
Nonono...covering up for each other. Drug addicts imo
I wasn't feeling well earlier, but I saw the replay. Another great discussion.
Thank you so much for really digging into this. It is sad that monsters hurt children, but we must face these evil monsters and protect our babies.
This lady is more distressed than Maddies own mother!
Natalie is complimentary of Jen, but it's very measured. Seems intentional. It's her best friend's sister so she has to tread lightly for the sake of that friendship
And because she lives with Jen she sounds sketchy as hell. Contradicts herself alot
I figure Natalie compliments Jen so
Much because she lives in her house.
Over seven years with the same man, his password was his birthday. How did she not see the pictures?
💚💜 I'm Here for the Replay.
Thank You Gavin.
Natalie seems to be very cautious in how she speaks of Jenn. Doing her best to paint her in a Positive Light. .
I understand that she has gone through her own Horrible nightmare regarding SA. She sounds Terrified in having to Deal with All of This.
She cannot lose her Best Friend over saying Anything Bad about Jenn.
She must get past that and tell everything she knows to be Truth. Be A Witness for Maddie 's Sake. 🙏💜💚
Did she know they were sleeping together without Mom?
Being in a conflict of interest clouds judgment, making it hard to see clearly or ensure anyone’s safety. Her son was in real danger, yet she prioritized friends. She’s fostering an environment that naturally breeds toxic dynamics and abuse. She’s failing everyone, including her own child.
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I don't know for sure. It's possible that she did and doesn't want to admit it to herself; let alone the Detectives.
She's questioning everything she thought about the Living Situation , now. I hope that She comes forward with Anything She remembers between that Interview and today.
0:58 you should definitely keep covering this cake as long as new stuff is coming out so frequently I feel like it would be confusing to add other episodes in between these
Is it a tasty cake? 😅
If Jen didn't think it was wrong to have SS sleep with her 13 year old daughter, what about when her roommate texted her because SS was playing Atari in his room alone with Maddie and asking if that was okay by her, then Jen had to realize (even if she didn't before) that others view them being alone in a bedroom together isn't right. Let alone sleeping together!
That poor girl - she feels insecure because she was unaware. See how a predator can wreck lives of everyone around! Anyone that knew that child feels betrayed and horrified!
Seriously I hope he gets capital punishment. It’s truly heartbreaking 💔
Still she thinks Jenn could not have anything to do with it, but she didn’t think SS could have either.
What a horrible emotional betrayal.
34:45 You raise a great point about Maddie’s (real) sleeping preferences. Remember, she had no interest in the “Maddie Sandwich” proposed by bio dad during her visit. And I think the stepdad said she did not sleep with them while he lived in the house.
He's the bio dad not step dad Maddie had a bio dad and step mom! Jsyk best wishes!!!
She was OK with sleeping with both her bio dad and her stepmother all together (a.k.a. "the Maddie sandwich") and she was OK to sleep with her stepmother only.
What she was against was being in bed with her bio dad only. Most probably, she thought that all men would abuse her like Stephan.
@@annarose4828 no, she also had another step dad (who was there before stefan)
Please stay on precious Maddie’s case. She didn’t have protectors in life. I want justice here on earth for her. I know she’ll get her heavenly justice. 😭♥️🙏
They ALL need to be investigated...
I can’t get my head around the fact that even after she knew her daughter was dead. The first thing on her mind was to get an attorney for that pig.
This monster should not referred to as Mr. That is a term of respect. He should be referred to as Inmate because that’s what he is.
Me too, I can't stop thinking about that child...please keep bringing info❤
When I raised my son as a single woman, we never raised our voice. He was kind to me and I was the same with him. He loved athletics and I helped him practice when he was younger. It was beautiful watching his baseball pitching skills develop!! It bothers me when teenagers yell at their mothers. And it upsets me even more when adult mothers yell at their daughters. But as a speech therapist, I was serious about communicating in a normal or regulated tone.
Love the way you represent your videos, Not talking over them 💯 Much xoxo and a lot of blessings to You and your family 🙏
My heart breaks for Maddie and I feel so angry with her mother. I see Maddie's beautiful smile but look into her eyes for truth and truly hope she gets justice for this horrific life that was her norm. Unfortunately, I had a cruel step-father and neglectful, self centred mother/family. Laissez-faire is a very polite term! No birthday parties, holidays, parent evenings or sports days. Nothing! From 10, I washed my own clothes/wet bedding (trauma) If I didn't, I would have to sleep on a wet bed. He even attacked me in the bathroom for trying to wash before school. I never told my mother until I was 40. No reaction; cold. I felt shame all over again. A smile can be a mask, I know and children DO slip through the net (as we hear too often) because they're scared and don't have a voice. Sorry for rambling on. Rest in peace dear Maddie 🙏 🕊
My mum is the same. Sucks, I know. I try my best to forgive her, even tho we don't speak. For my own mental well-being.
@@ShelleyBean1808 I'm so sorry to hear that. You're correct to stay away as she'll never change ❣🤗 I did in the end but learned too late, after being like a loyal puppy. Generalising, but they just have no self awareness or genuine empathy. I saw this faked many times; she switched when the person walked away. I flew home from Australia when she was terminal and not even offered a cup of tea....over the three weeks 🤷♀️ I hope the police arrest Maddie's mother. There's no way she didn't know what that devil was doing 😤 😈
I feel bad for the roommates, they cared about Maddie, had to move suddenly etc. They didn’t have anything to do with what SS did.
Me too
Even though she is showing compassion Maddie she is not showing outrage for Jen. She is still semi building her up.
I'm with you I cannot get past Jen and Stefan admitting freely that Maddie and Stefan slept together.
It's beyond comprehension.
Especially in these circumstances with Maddie missing you would think stefan would say "hey let's keep the sleeping situation quiet "
Fortunately they didn't. I'm positive the officer's were side eyeing each other when they heard them admit she slept with Stefan.
Jen needs to be charged with neglect at that minimum.
I believe she will face charges.
As for the parents knowing that their 38 yr old son who has a history of predatory behavior they are culpable in my eyes too.
They were sticking to the narrative too.
Ugh. No 13-year-old should have to sleep on a couch in a house full of other people. They SO need their own space at that age! I know-my younger daughter just turned 13.
Maddie wasn't sleeping on a couch! She usually slept in Jenn's bed downstairs! Maddie had her own little private area downstairs in the main living area that had a regular bed and privacy partitions. But Maddie only hung out there, she didn't like to sleep there! This was from Jen's own mouth during one of her police interviews! But I agree, she should have had a her own room!
Gavin, this was not a crash house. A crash house is where you stay maybe one or two nights at a friend's on their couch! Why do you keep saying that? They rented a room and had their own separate lives to live. It happens! You are sounding very judgemental!
@@aliceinoregonland3942. Any normal mother would have given her daughter the bedroom and they would take the corner of the living room. But we all know Jen was far from normal and shouldn’t have had custody of a goldfish!!!!
@@aliceinoregonland3942It's really a boarding house. There are many of those now that the economy is so bad.
Their living arrangements were SO bizarre. Nathalie was sharing a room with her 12-year-old son. Doesn't he need his own space, too? What boy that age wants to share a bedroom with this mother? Then, there is the 4th bedroom that Stephan moved into, and left vacant when he went to his parents'. In an early interview, Jen called it the "guest room." Who the hell keeps a bedroom open for "guests" while her adolescent daughter is relegated to occupying a corner of the living room? When questioned as to why Maddie did not move into that room when Stephan left, Jen said that her father wanted it to be rented. I really hope that Juan (I think that's his name) was asked if this was true, because I had the impression from listening to him that Maddie and her grandfather were close, so I find it hard to believe that he would not have wanted her to have her own room in HIS house. I think Jen failed to give Maddie a room of her own in order to facilitate Stephan's access to her, and deny her the simple refuge of a bedroom door.
I’ve been raising kids for 28 years and have been “heavily medicated “. I always knew where my kids were. Always knew who they were with also. 🤷♀️
My God FINALLY a person who actually cared. This should really open everyone’s eyes to the absolute disgusting vile pos JS truly is. I’ve been sickened and stressed for the heartache I feel for this baby, and the fact her own mother didn’t give a f and loved her sleep and marathon naps more. No Justice For sweet Maddy till Jenifer Soto pays the absolute price
She considers her a "dear friend " ALL her "likes" was unbelievable =(((((
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What really struck me was when Nathalie said "we're not like that, we love our kids". I interpreted that as her taking his questioning of Jen's involvement personally. Almost as if Jen's involvement would make Nathalie a bad person as well.
It's really interesting to hear her introspection happening in real time. She seems like a very hardworking and caring woman; my heart aches for her.
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It just goes to show you you never know a person even when you live with them. This roommate is breaking up hard-core more than the mom ever did. That is very very sad.
They MADE IT LOOK LIKE M SLEPT BEHIND THE PARTITION FOR THE HOUSEMATES
Just found your channel!. So happy I did thank you for sharing..RIP Maddie.
29:19 Gavin, to answer your question, it appears the abuse and homicide charges will proceed on separate tracks with the former being resolved first…In their Notice of Intent to Seek the Death Penalty (6/10/24), the prosecutors say their decision is based on several aggravating factors, including (and I quote):
“The defendant was previously convicted of another capital felony or a felony involving the use or threat of violence to the person. (The current s*x charges against Sterns will serve as the priors if he is convicted.)”
Yes, and I really hope they'll go for the DP. When they're done with him they must do what they can to charge Jenn. She cannot get away with this and her "blissful ignorance" act. She must have known and if she didn't that's even more proof of what a horrible mother she was.
Jen said school starts near 9:30 and SS said to her that they "made good time and got out by 7:30" to go to MD.... Then within a few min.s she didn't want MD's - thats really crazy!
Yes, almost as soon as they're in the car she's like "-No, I don't want McD breakfast". And then he's like "well ok, then I just drop you off this early instead". It's such a dumb lie and nobody ever believed that BS. Oh sorry, I mean Jenn "believed" it...
Do Nathalie & her son leave before Maddie leaves for school every morning? Wouldn't she naturaaly know where she sleeps? 'I think like she slept on the couch until they put the partition...' isn't affirmative. The notion that Nathalie never went down to the kitchen, for any reason, from bedtime to morning seems impossible.
None of what she says makes sense really. It feels off.
I noticed there’s like a makeshift “kitchen” upstairs… I wonder if the roommates didn’t want to go downstairs for some reason during the night? Notice the food stuff in their bedrooms (at least one of them), the microwave and mini-fridge upstairs… I haven’t looked at the pics in a while but I think I recall those items in the pics.
J.S. should not have children
Oct 14th is a status hearing to see where they are at this point, is what I am reading. Do you think, they are waiting for SS to be convicted of the SA crimes to charge Jennifer?
Happy birthday! Enjoy the celebrations with you community! Thank you for sharing this content as well as your analysis! Without your commentary those interogations are unbereable to listen too.
If Jennifer wanted to get a good night sleep, why wouldn't she send Stephan upstairs and Maddie in the living room? Wasn't Maddie's personal space in the living room?
Doing great Gavin 👍
So then he lied in that interview when he said about last night, Jenn's been a rock, I actually have broken down several times, as he fake cries.
Very very sad that the roommate is more upset than Mom GF
She had being SA since was a baby and scared about what was happening to her and wonder if it was for really..JS is very guilty of her daughter’s SA
On Jenn interviews she cries for herself realizing her birthday is the next day and cries for stephen not Maddie. In this interview Natalie first states that Jenn is a good mom, but then says she feels she has to look out for Maddie, and let's jenns sister know about jenns parenting around stephen..I think there is more that she is not saying. Why is she feeling guilt, I under stand sorrow and disbelief , even with her past issues why is Natalie feeling guilty.
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Don’t be fooled, JS is very competent she just plays ignorant and naive very well. When they asked about JS talking to Natalie about Maddie she specifically mentions there was no boyfriends and instantly I felt like she knows there was an argument between JS and Maddie shortly before she was killed I definitely think SS had an issue with Maddie having a crush on someone
Too many pills in that house. I swear I heard Jenn also took her meds Monday night
Love your channel Gavin. You have such a gentle soothing voice. I also a Grizzley as she is so awesome. Keep up the good work guys, love you both
The roommate is biased. She's Jenn's sister's best friend since they were young and there is no chance she is saying anything negative about Jenn. In reality she made a point of interacting with Jenn as little as possible, so she couldn't be that crazy about her. She is involved with Jenn's family and she mislead the police about her involvement/interaction with Jenn after the crime and told contradictory stories.
Jenn did not have a normal relationship with Maddie. She treated Maddie very badly and literally had her in tears on a regular basis.
The police were very frustrated with the roommates and thought they were covering for Jenn and they didn't believe they were being straightforward with them to the point, they made a point of putting their names out there in the public. They considered them to be unreliable sources.
I am really struggling to find anyone from that house believable. Living in such close proximity. Hearing everything. Knowing this was going on for so long but no one suspected. Pretending it wasn’t happening more like or everyone was too stoned.
40:58 just an observation about the medication… there are certain ones that will make you completely numb. That part about her being disconnected could definitely be because of her medication
Someone called in and showed a text message to Stephanie that this roommate knew more than she was letting on.
Interesting.
Any more details? Called in to where?
Maddie never needed any medications imo...they drugged her!
When you house is quite and you're laying in bed and you hear the bumping going on in the upstairs bathroom ,wouldn't you take a little walk up there to see what the noise is. You cant tell me in 5 years she didn't hear some noise that sounds like something is going on. Or your home, your daughters is home, and your boyfriend is home, but you notice the daughter and boyfriend are no where to be found. Wouldn't you go see if you can find them. You don't have to be a genius to figure out something is going on. Especially when you notice the two are not anywhere you can see them. Another idea, you go to the store and return to find the two of them not around where they were when you left 45 minutes ago. So don't you go upstairs to check out where you daughter might be. I just think Jennifer knew. After all she didn't work much and the abuse was almost every day. And the tripod was probably aimed at the bed. If she really didn't know, someone needs to check Jennifer for a heartbeat 💗 she might be dead as a door nail.
I also think it's definitely a possibility that these moms have diagnosed their children with ADHD and Autism themselves.
She only cared about her low rent.
Natalie showed more emotion than Jennifer ever has
She had too. She's a liar
I think her being a family friend before roommates for two years is going to be biased to Jens side on police interview. Just my opinion not to say it's wrong she seemed to truly loved Maddie very much and my heart breaks for her to one of the roughest interviews I've heard yet!
My prayers 🙏 for the whole family
He had them at 3 locations that I've heard of so far and online on the cloud too was hiding some
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14000 views.
93k is the subscriber number
Heartbreaking to hear the room mate talk about being abused in the past
Oh God she's a liar
The police messed up giving Jen immunity.
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I hate to say it but both roommates still live on premises atleast at time of the interviews. They also know the family. They are painting Jenn in positive light and lie she didn't talk to them. Everyone interviewed has invested in lying to cover for Jenn. Keep in mind also, her family is very wealthy.
This is so 😢sad to hear her pain so much more I hate to say than what we saw in her own mother acting
(my opinion she cares..)
Yeah but they all say you can hardly hear anything going on. It’s like they all live with blinders on. Poor Maddie living like this.
Maddie did not have ADHD, nor was she autistic. She was an abused, traumatized little girl whose warped mother was doing what is very common for abusers to do, running her mouth making the child the problem because that allows them to take the focus off them (the abuser) and blame the trauma reaction on the child and you are repeating her rubbish as if it's true. Maddie did not "have problems at school", she was exhausted from being abused and drugged up.
Right when that creepy, p-do, SOB Stern's was gone for a month or whatever, Maddie's school performance turned around completely. She was doing well academically, and seemed well rested, and I think they said she seemed happy too. That just goes to show all her problems were caused by the ab-se and trauma from it that had been going on for likely most of her life.
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I think the roommates were involved with their own travail and a brief passing in their shared space would not be enough for anyone to really notice much of any thing .
Natalie is a close friend she knew
Just checked out your website. Really goid pic of you!
Didn't he take Jenn's car that night to go look?
Yes Maddie was sleeping by herself when Jen was married.
Ohhh that’s very telling. 😢
Oh painful to listen to her OMG 😢
I think they cleave together for nefarious and seldish reasons....and Jens dad is landlord.
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