A long chat with Martin Shkreli ►ruclips.net/video/srr7BGrMgRs/видео.html Martin Shkreli and runaway capitalism ►ruclips.net/video/-JuaLETz-pc/видео.html
@@johnadams9193 a nice proper welcome home by blowing up all his buddies and bankers that didn't go to jail real one at $PLX stopping the shorts from pulling that b******* real 🦍🦍 stratagems 💎💎💎💎 🎯 35 bucks
*TIME STAMPS* 0:00 intro 1:01 Martin hops in 1:30 readjusting to normal life / experience in prison 5:39 any regrets regarding past controversial statements 8:24 streaming can encourage toxicity 10:06 did you get bored in prison / unplugging from social media 11:00 financial discussions / reaction to GME/crypto boom? 24:13 CENA‘d 24:55 public reactions to shkreli 26:05 living situation / future plans? 29:00 keeping up with crypto / nfts 29:17 was there culture shock going into Federal prison? 33:20 wu tang album update 35:40 was prison life tribal? 57:46 how do long term prisoners view new comers? 1:03:44 are prisoners honest about their crimes they’re in for / fitting in with long timers 1:14:14 did you prepare for your prison experience before going + more day to day stories 1:22:35 did being on the inside change your perception on societal consequences of certain drugs? 1:31:50 future streaming plans? LoL 1:34:21 K 0 R 0 N A V I R U S / truth / pharma 1:40:55 technical difficulties 1:47:55 robinhood drama 1:50:30 Insulin 1:55:40 did you lose any friends over the prison experience 1:57:27 more technical difficulties / goodbyes / potential future convos
*TIME STAMPS* For my fellow dalibanis 0:00 intro 1:01 Martin hops in 1:30 readjusting to normal life / experience in prison 5:39 any regrets regarding past controversial statements 8:24 streaming can encourage toxicity 10:06 did you get bored in prison / unplugging from social media 11:00 financial discussions / reaction to GME/crypto boom? 24:13 CENA‘d 24:55 public reactions to shkreli 26:05 living situation / future plans? 29:00 keeping up with crypto / nfts 29:17 was there culture shock going into Federal prison? 33:20 wu tang album update 35:40 was prison life tribal? 57:46 how do long term prisoners view new comers? 1:03:44 are prisoners honest about their crimes they’re in for / fitting in with long timers 1:14:14 did you prepare for your prison experience before going + more day to day stories 1:22:35 did being on the inside change your perception on societal consequences of certain drugs? 1:31:50 future streaming plans? LoL 1:34:21 K 0 R 0 N A V I R U S / truth / pharma 1:40:55 technical difficulties 1:44:37 Cars? Russian cars? 1:47:55 robinhood drama 1:50:30 Insulin 1:55:40 did you lose any friends over the prison experience 1:57:27 more technical difficulties / goodbyes / potential future convos
I was a paralegal on federal criminal defense cases for a few years. Let me tell you, _SO MANY PEOPLE_ snitch. Listening to hip-hop you’d think that a large portion of people stay solid on not snitching but, for example, I had a case with 37 crips who were indicted on a big distribution ring and every single one but one person, my client funnily enough, snitched.
They say it but rethink quick when the prosecution hit´s them whit the book. Probably real friends often get forgotten to be mentioned but yeah from people that where in Prison you hear different. But also snitching inside the prison to guards is something other then in a legal process and i heard this can get you acutely easy stabbed.
That 37 crip indictment the fbi only wanted one person and probably the person that didn't snitch. When people get indicted the FBI put thier tenticals out and pick up anyone they can for the soul Purpose of snitching. It's going to get even worse because the feds got rid of psi parties because they stoped sending them into prison with papers
Destiny should learn from Shkreli's business model and price gouge his audience by putting his content behind a pay wall to deprive poor DGGers of the Vaush manifesto.
Well Shkreli's business model also came with "Poors get it for free". So Destiny already has half that already by poors literally getting this free on youtube. Just got to find a way to price gouge people with subscriptions. llol
Destiny is great when he's not getting into some edgy fast-talking argument with someone. Really enjoyed the chat even as someone who's watched a lot of Shrkeli's post prison discussions already
The old Destiny and Shkreli interview stands to be one of the most interesting and educational talks Destiny ever had and this one did not disappoint either.
I can’t believe he’s already out. I somehow completely missed that he was even released. Had to double check when he went to prison because it felt like it was only a couple years ago. Wowza. Time starts to pass so fast as an adult. Every year of my childhood and adolescence felt like an entire era. Past age 21 or so they’ve started to blend together more and more.
I used to think that journalist just was after his money, but after listening to him his charisma is undeniable. Add money and infamy I could see a certain archetype of woman to find it compelling
While I feel a bit for Ross Ulbricht and maybe he doesn't deserve as much time as he got, he did hire someone to kill a guy who was threatening his online business and then subsequently hired him to kill several other people. The fact that it was all a ruse to steal his money doesn't completely erase that fact.
@@zdubzz1280 I would assume you absolutely could get charges for agreeing to sell drugs to a fake person. I believe that would be conspiracy to sell drugs or whatever legal term
@@zdubzz1280 I think that different laws/sentencing apply between a situation where no people actually were killed and one where people were actually killed. I'm saying I don't know if multiple life sentences is appropriate in my mind, though with the whole breaking multiple international drug laws thing as well it might rise to that level. Dude is definitely fucked that's for sure.
Yall realize that Shkreli was trolling right. He was in a low security prison for financial crimes. His bunk mates were wall street scammers and crooked politicians lol. Rich people do not go to the same prisons as regular violent people
Imagine all the game the other inmates are learning from this man. They have access to a ton load of knowledge everyday. This man can literally change their lives.
1:17:06 god I'm so different than Destiny in that if I recognize that someone is even attempting a joke of some sort, even if it's a tiny "meaningless" joke that hardy even is a joke (as Martin did here), I'll give them SOME sort of small laugh/smile no matter what, but Destiny is 100% okay with being as straight faced as possible lol. I've seen him do it sooo many times.
its one of the reasons why people call him autistic. I'm kind of envious of him because of that tbh, I can't tell you how many times I had to fake chuckle at someones lame ass joke at work or in public.
@@karsten9387 Honestly not sure. I used to be a mod in his stream and his IGN was “Turingboss” and “PharmaBroMS”. Someone’s been playing on the PharmaBroMS account and they’re D1/D2. Don’t think that’s Martin, as he was D4ish Leona otp xd. Don’t think he’s been banned either, someone stole his login or something I think.
-I hate regulation -Damn this market manipulation is clearly wrong and negatively impacts massive amounts of people -Crazy that there's literally no way to fix this because markets don't have a solution
g. gordon liddy said the same thing-prison life is really noisy. his book will has a great account of a former FBI agent’s life in prison. do not take liddy’s character in gaslit serious.
I still don't know if I respect what Shkreli does with drug pricing, but I do appreciate him being able to have conversations like this on public platforms and have effective responses to Destiny's questions.
@@cameronroy2129 like its a bit complicated. Does someone deserve moral condemnation based on how they decide to price their product? A company is supposed to maximise its profits, if anything its just a sign why the healthcare market never works
@@perpetual_suffering1458 I'd say yes especially given clear consequences when the goal was nothing but greed. If the reasons are as complicated as "well they wanted money" then its not really complicated If you price up something by an absurd amount and someone can't get their medication that is not an action that deserves anything but condemnation
Have a bit of an issue with the line of questioning around pharma and doctors. Shkreli stated that doctors are the ones giving patients the referrals for drugs, and that there's almost no advertising of most drugs to the public. This places the blame solely on the doctors for wrong/overpriced recommendations. What he left out is the incentives that the pharmaceuticals give to the doctors to pressure them into recommending the wrong/overpriced recommendations. The shitty doctors are to blame, but so are the pharmaceuticals.
@@GamingBlake2002 You're right, I missed that. However, relistening to the context around it, even then, he's putting the vast majority of the blame on the doctors, by prefacing it with "Drug company's job is to make the stuff, not do much more than that." (1:24:43). And it is then followed by, physicians need to be realistic about their expectations, and get experience with the drugs? I get that there are supposed to be clinical trials, but once something has been approved for mainstream use, it should be on the drug companies to be truthful, not for the physicians to do further personal clinical trials.
I do. All of the people who virtue signaled about hating him don’t have the interest to look for him anywhere a week after the headlines die down. Anyone who still remembers him and was a fan of his was smart enough to understand the full picture of how his price hike worked, and that he didn’t really do anything wrong. Despite the faux outrage that the media portrayed, I think a few weeks after he was out of headlines, almost 100% of people he ran into were fans.
@@NothingElseMattersJM he got a felony for moving money around in a questionable fashion in his hedge fund. Nobody lost money and nobody cared. The actual outrage being referred to by Destiny is over his drug price hike which the media went crazy over. Martin didn’t do anything wrong there.
I just started this, but from what I recall reading years ago before he seemed like a far more humble guy then even most streamers nowadays. He probably did get better as anyone would but the initial media portrayal of him being a stuck up sociopath was wrong from the very beginning.
@@TheXxomasteroxx if you look into this his company raised prices but you could reach out to him if you couldn’t afford it and he would hook you up. If anything he’s one of the few examples of an individual of this class who you can tell really gave a shit about people. The media narrative surrounding him at the time was just overwhelmingly negative
Im glad you're doing these interviews Destiny, but please show some respect and turn the game off or pause it. Many moments of you losing track of the conversation and awkward silences. Prepare some questions and give your full attention.
i am actually happy martin shkreli is out of prison at one point i spoke to him through one of his live streams he is actually not a bad guy and taught me a lot about finances
@@pluto4816 ah fair enough, my apologies. It is very good for it not being your first language, certainly 100x better than anything I could write in any other language haha!
Charisma isn't a mark of someone having a good character. Most of the worst people in history were extremely charismatic and likable. For example many people who met Hitler before the war remarked on how charming he was.
Fucking niccceeee Big Herc has a channel too who did prison in CA for 10years I think for bank robbery and talks about the racial politics that plays out in CA federal prisons. Super cool if you wanna do more content like this
True, I recommend Wes Watson as well! Atleast his old vids, I havent watched him for a good while... He made some interesting and entertaining videos about high security prisons for guys like me who knew nothing about american prison life
@@floridamainn104 it was also that it was just the insurance companies paying the prices and if you were uninsured you could buy it direct for just pennies
I just found out about the whole thing with the journalist he "dated" while in prison. Weird how I totally missed that. I guess it happened over two years ago, though. Did they talk about that during this interview? I might have been distracted while listening to this
I'm only 52 minutes in and this conversation is one of the most interesting things I've heard. How different groups acts based on ethnicity and religion is fascinating to hear about.
@@iflmedia6419 Remember watching his old crash course on investing, from what I can remember it was a really good starter. He is very blunt and has these special mannerisms which somehow makes him funny (probably unintentionally?). I don’t know if he has any mods but I remember him calling out specific people in chat and then taking like a minute banning them manually, back in 2016
Ross should get out?? My guy....i know he didn't actually kill the people but from his perspective they were dead and he continued to put hits out on other people. No he hasn't "technically killed anyone" but he thought he did and he was fine with it. That's kind of an odd take on the silk road thing
27:37 It's kinda like how you had Rousseau who got famous and didn't like it since his whole philosophical approach was that things like vanity were terrible... And then you later had Nietzsche who hated Rousseau and felt like everyone else was too stuck in their herd mentality to realize how great he was for telling them about his life changing philosophy...
I used to watch his streams in 2016 before he went to prison and he is different now. Back then I think he was still playing into the "pharma bro" role but now he just seems like a cool dude who likes learning and teaching different things.
I was in a pod with shkreli and he was the 3rd highest shot caller in Arayn brotherhood in the entire prison. I used to wash his draws and I made him a ramen spread to gain favor
4:30 It's actually the opposite if you are smart, what you are refering to is a high Superiorty trait, meaning you think you are better than everybody so you can't take feedback or even think of therapy.
Well his answer that doc´s should expect pharma producer to lie about there medication and just try stuff sounds pretty insane. I thought there was some step like testing but guess we can figure things out by trial and error.
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A long chat with Martin Shkreli ►ruclips.net/video/srr7BGrMgRs/видео.html
Martin Shkreli and runaway capitalism ►ruclips.net/video/-JuaLETz-pc/видео.html
WU-TANG IS FOREVER
Why don't you put timestamps in the comments anymore?
Time stamps comming soon?
@@johnadams9193 a nice proper welcome home by blowing up all his buddies and bankers that didn't go to jail
real one at $PLX stopping the shorts from pulling that b******* real 🦍🦍 stratagems 💎💎💎💎
🎯 35 bucks
*TIME STAMPS*
0:00 intro
1:01 Martin hops in
1:30 readjusting to normal life / experience in prison
5:39 any regrets regarding past controversial statements
8:24 streaming can encourage toxicity
10:06 did you get bored in prison / unplugging from social media
11:00 financial discussions / reaction to GME/crypto boom?
24:13 CENA‘d
24:55 public reactions to shkreli
26:05 living situation / future plans?
29:00 keeping up with crypto / nfts
29:17 was there culture shock going into Federal prison?
33:20 wu tang album update
35:40 was prison life tribal?
57:46 how do long term prisoners view new comers?
1:03:44 are prisoners honest about their crimes they’re in for / fitting in with long timers
1:14:14 did you prepare for your prison experience before going + more day to day stories
1:22:35 did being on the inside change your perception on societal consequences of certain drugs?
1:31:50 future streaming plans? LoL
1:34:21 K 0 R 0 N A V I R U S / truth / pharma
1:40:55 technical difficulties
1:47:55 robinhood drama
1:50:30 Insulin
1:55:40 did you lose any friends over the prison experience
1:57:27 more technical difficulties / goodbyes / potential future convos
When Shkreli says Destiny has a good reputation, he made it pretty clear that he has been in Jail for the last 5 years, lmao
12:22 Bless you
What did Destiny do?
Who’s destiny?
@@jbrown840 A guy with a girls name
@@jbrown840 Lauren Southern's stripper friend
*TIME STAMPS*
For my fellow dalibanis
0:00 intro
1:01 Martin hops in
1:30 readjusting to normal life / experience in prison
5:39 any regrets regarding past controversial statements
8:24 streaming can encourage toxicity
10:06 did you get bored in prison / unplugging from social media
11:00 financial discussions / reaction to GME/crypto boom?
24:13 CENA‘d
24:55 public reactions to shkreli
26:05 living situation / future plans?
29:00 keeping up with crypto / nfts
29:17 was there culture shock going into Federal prison?
33:20 wu tang album update
35:40 was prison life tribal?
57:46 how do long term prisoners view new comers?
1:03:44 are prisoners honest about their crimes they’re in for / fitting in with long timers
1:14:14 did you prepare for your prison experience before going + more day to day stories
1:22:35 did being on the inside change your perception on societal consequences of certain drugs?
1:31:50 future streaming plans? LoL
1:34:21 K 0 R 0 N A V I R U S / truth / pharma
1:40:55 technical difficulties
1:44:37 Cars? Russian cars?
1:47:55 robinhood drama
1:50:30 Insulin
1:55:40 did you lose any friends over the prison experience
1:57:27 more technical difficulties / goodbyes / potential future convos
Praise be
leeeeegend
doing gods work
Mashallah!!
Amazing
I was a paralegal on federal criminal defense cases for a few years. Let me tell you, _SO MANY PEOPLE_ snitch. Listening to hip-hop you’d think that a large portion of people stay solid on not snitching but, for example, I had a case with 37 crips who were indicted on a big distribution ring and every single one but one person, my client funnily enough, snitched.
They say it but rethink quick when the prosecution hit´s them whit the book. Probably real friends often get forgotten to be mentioned but yeah from people that where in Prison you hear different. But also snitching inside the prison to guards is something other then in a legal process and i heard this can get you acutely easy stabbed.
Yeah, I'm not sure anyone would associate thugs who kill innocent people on a regular basis as having any code of honor.
That 37 crip indictment the fbi only wanted one person and probably the person that didn't snitch. When people get indicted the FBI put thier tenticals out and pick up anyone they can for the soul Purpose of snitching. It's going to get even worse because the feds got rid of psi parties because they stoped sending them into prison with papers
Not surprised
And they're all secretly gay
Destiny should learn from Shkreli's business model and price gouge his audience by putting his content behind a pay wall to deprive poor DGGers of the Vaush manifesto.
I feel like destiny’s community is full of people who would get that shit from reddit/discord free of charge
Only reason he went to jail is that he tried to rip off the government and institutions. He offered the pills to people for free or extremely cheap.
Well Shkreli's business model also came with "Poors get it for free". So Destiny already has half that already by poors literally getting this free on youtube. Just got to find a way to price gouge people with subscriptions. llol
@@gh-ev9vi 100%
@@libertas_americana wait really? Are you sure about that?
I can't believe that 5 years has passed already, time is flying so fast.
passed
@@emraef thank you
Destiny is great when he's not getting into some edgy fast-talking argument with someone. Really enjoyed the chat even as someone who's watched a lot of Shrkeli's post prison discussions already
One thing I know is, you will never get an honest conversation out of a psychopath. Waste of time.
@@bipslone8880 Which one do you think is the psychopath?
I wish shkreli went on cum town
@@nooanykanen5864 probably big pharma cancer patient killing white collar criminal guy
@@bipslone8880 which one?
The old Destiny and Shkreli interview stands to be one of the most interesting and educational talks Destiny ever had and this one did not disappoint either.
@Fir3 Eater That jim one was just incredible
One of the top anime villains the internet has ever see.
He's no villain
@@jackmak2980 He is as much of a villain as joker is.
A villain to the normal society, but a hero to gamers.
@@coolboy9979 what the hell are you talking about
@@coolboy9979 guess i should turn in my consoles and PC
I actually have no context for this guy. I can make assumptions based on the whole federal prison thing and heavy finance talk.
One thing I've learned from this is that Destiny asks good and fascinating questions.
Weird how he kept dodging the question Skhreli was asking. Do you love black people?
@@povurarguingwithme3160 I’m starting to think he doesn’t
@@povurarguingwithme3160 AMAZIN
Me after this convo: "for real prison no big deal, i ride in the daliban car with shkeli"
All daliban members instantly become high-ranking members of the black muslim gang.
I wrote Martin a letter while he was in prison and he wrote me back. Solid dude.
About what?
@@Baker19911 that he clearly go railroaded by a corrupt system.
Can you give any details
"In prison, I was known for having a mouth on me" -Shkreli 2022
The Destiny Shkreli podcast needs to happen
*Destishkreli
I would love that
Shkrestiny
Steve and the shkrell-meister
i was in the google hangouts until martin cleared all of us out because of that guy using the soundboard lol
Can't have nothing nice on the internet 😒
I can’t believe he’s already out. I somehow completely missed that he was even released. Had to double check when he went to prison because it felt like it was only a couple years ago. Wowza. Time starts to pass so fast as an adult. Every year of my childhood and adolescence felt like an entire era. Past age 21 or so they’ve started to blend together more and more.
Its crazy to think Destiny’s last convo with Martin was 5 years ago
Loved this talk, hope we get more shkreli content
@Mr.T
Monkey's paw, it's actually league content.
I used to think that journalist just was after his money, but after listening to him his charisma is undeniable. Add money and infamy I could see a certain archetype of woman to find it compelling
@@egusisoup1826 "charisma" dude scream shyster from 500 leagues away lol. i guess some people can tell and others can't.
@@snowballeffect7812 so pretty much every wealthy person
@@WiscoMTB37 "wealthy" is a pretty subjective term. Steven would be considered wealthy by most people, but I guess generally speaking, maybe lol.
Martin Shkrelli and Destiny is the last collab i’d ever imagine. Here for it though.
Welcome to the Daliban new DGG'R.
They actually talked in 2016 too, check it out if you're interested.
@Jo They talked twice in 2016; Aug 2 and October 19th.
While I feel a bit for Ross Ulbricht and maybe he doesn't deserve as much time as he got, he did hire someone to kill a guy who was threatening his online business and then subsequently hired him to kill several other people. The fact that it was all a ruse to steal his money doesn't completely erase that fact.
@@zdubzz1280 I would assume you absolutely could get charges for agreeing to sell drugs to a fake person. I believe that would be conspiracy to sell drugs or whatever legal term
@@zdubzz1280 Conspiracy to commit murder is much worse than conspiracy to sell drugs.
@@zdubzz1280 I think that different laws/sentencing apply between a situation where no people actually were killed and one where people were actually killed. I'm saying I don't know if multiple life sentences is appropriate in my mind, though with the whole breaking multiple international drug laws thing as well it might rise to that level.
Dude is definitely fucked that's for sure.
i feel bad cause he woulda been a billionaire by now. He coulda just get the hell out of America and operate from anywhere
Yeah but the entire context was manufactured out of thin air.
Wow! I've been looking forward to hearing from Martin Shkreli for the past few years anticipating his release! Can't wait to give this a listen.
lol why? The guy is human shit at best
I'm just gonna go ahead and say it.
Martin is a real street _[redacted]_
He really is lol.
Yall realize that Shkreli was trolling right. He was in a low security prison for financial crimes. His bunk mates were wall street scammers and crooked politicians lol. Rich people do not go to the same prisons as regular violent people
out of prison, but forever in Paris.😅
This is insane that it’s been 10 years old since this story blew up
why did August cut out the "there's an echo, I need to ameliorate this" from Shkreli at the beginning
Imagine all the game the other inmates are learning from this man. They have access to a ton load of knowledge everyday. This man can literally change their lives.
Game? What are you an infant? The economy is not a game.
@@tanakanaoshi4769 The economy is definitely a game.
@@tanakanaoshi4769It actually is a game, the consequences are real though
One of the best chats had on livestream in a long time
Yeah finally Destiny is talking to someone who is both smart and knowledgeable.
Martin is my hero
I was about to leave this same comment
People read the chats on these? I have literally never paid attention to a chat
the crossover I didn't know I needed
There was an old one
The cross dresser I didn’t know I needed
1:17:06 god I'm so different than Destiny in that if I recognize that someone is even attempting a joke of some sort, even if it's a tiny "meaningless" joke that hardy even is a joke (as Martin did here), I'll give them SOME sort of small laugh/smile no matter what, but Destiny is 100% okay with being as straight faced as possible lol. I've seen him do it sooo many times.
its one of the reasons why people call him autistic. I'm kind of envious of him because of that tbh, I can't tell you how many times I had to fake chuckle at someones lame ass joke at work or in public.
It means you’re not too autistic
Bro yes I'm the same way. Southern hospitality is baked into my brain. I largely agree/enjoy his personality but this shit throw me for a loop lol
he did smile a moment after though
its called autism
I miss Martin, used to play hella league with him. Hope he gets his account back :)
Did Riot ban his account due to him being a felon?
@@karsten9387 Honestly not sure. I used to be a mod in his stream and his IGN was “Turingboss” and “PharmaBroMS”. Someone’s been playing on the PharmaBroMS account and they’re D1/D2. Don’t think that’s Martin, as he was D4ish Leona otp xd.
Don’t think he’s been banned either, someone stole his login or something I think.
@@karsten9387 can’t even play league as a felon? Yeesh
Destiny is such a fan boy of Martin Shkreli.
He should be. Martin is smarter, richer and more interesting than him. Destiny knows where he ranks relative to Martin.
This was an excellent guest! Hope we can have him back sometime.
The fucking John Cena moment. 🤣🤣🤣
-I hate regulation
-Damn this market manipulation is clearly wrong and negatively impacts massive amounts of people
-Crazy that there's literally no way to fix this because markets don't have a solution
youre living in a world where you believe more bureaucracy fixes shit to be a religious doctrine
@@shivamchatterjee2714 I live in New York, bureaucracy works if you have the patience for it
@@danielburnham5325 of course you live in new york lmaooooo
@@danielburnham5325 bruh. Imagine "living" in Nuork
Holy shit it has been so long, never expected to see this guy on again.
g. gordon liddy said the same thing-prison life is really noisy. his book will has a great account of a former FBI agent’s life in prison. do not take liddy’s character in gaslit serious.
you can call Shkreli many things, but he's definitely an insightful dude.
ya I've always been torn on him. he's quite likeable but also a piece of human trash.
"People just assume... AND HIS NAME IS JOHN CENA!"
this is going to be a banger
your mom
@@travisolfert6437 :)
I feel smarter after listening to Martin and Destiny have a convo
I'm seeing a lot of sad people in the comments who believed in GME, truth can be hard to swallow
Its outperforming almost every blue chip stock YTD, cant imagine thats so hard to swallow
I still don't know if I respect what Shkreli does with drug pricing, but I do appreciate him being able to have conversations like this on public platforms and have effective responses to Destiny's questions.
How can you respect it? There's no part of the things he did that are worthy of respect. Honestly just need to ask ...
how is that a question for you?
@@cameronroy2129 like its a bit complicated. Does someone deserve moral condemnation based on how they decide to price their product? A company is supposed to maximise its profits, if anything its just a sign why the healthcare market never works
@@perpetual_suffering1458 I'd say yes especially given clear consequences when the goal was nothing but greed.
If the reasons are as complicated as "well they wanted money" then its not really complicated
If you price up something by an absurd amount and someone can't get their medication that is not an action that deserves anything but condemnation
Have a bit of an issue with the line of questioning around pharma and doctors. Shkreli stated that doctors are the ones giving patients the referrals for drugs, and that there's almost no advertising of most drugs to the public. This places the blame solely on the doctors for wrong/overpriced recommendations. What he left out is the incentives that the pharmaceuticals give to the doctors to pressure them into recommending the wrong/overpriced recommendations. The shitty doctors are to blame, but so are the pharmaceuticals.
besides there is also a shit-ton of pharmaceutical advertising in the US
you might be right idk nobody cares about your issue
He didn't leave that out, he stated it explicitly: "Drug companies have an incentive to pitch them and lie to them" (1:24:51)
@@GamingBlake2002 You're right, I missed that. However, relistening to the context around it, even then, he's putting the vast majority of the blame on the doctors, by prefacing it with "Drug company's job is to make the stuff, not do much more than that." (1:24:43).
And it is then followed by, physicians need to be realistic about their expectations, and get experience with the drugs? I get that there are supposed to be clinical trials, but once something has been approved for mainstream use, it should be on the drug companies to be truthful, not for the physicians to do further personal clinical trials.
@@Striga889 I agree with all of this.
I would watch a show of Shkreli and Destiny in Prison
I always thought that Martin Shkreli and Ben Shapiro were the same people
Prison sounds like a better place than Twitter
I feel like I already learned everything this dude said just by watching 60 days in
@destiny can you include the game title you are playing in these videos? Looks cool thanks!
If he took his shirt off you would see his body covered in prison tats
A lot of prisoners are lucky they didn't look at Shkreli the wrong way, they might have ended up dead.
What about Martin Shkreli though?
Big ass swastika on his back
Shkreli unironically making fun of narcissistic kids. Kettle, meet pot
I thought Shkreli was streaming from prison because of that shirt 😂
OMG it's Pharma Bro. The podcast Swindled has an amazing episode about him, highly recommend the listen.
never clicked on a video so fast
The cross over I didn't know I needed, definitely a solid talk.
Glad to hear from Martin again.
“Race car”
Fuckin’ LMAO
I like how many people in the comments think this is the first time destiny has talked with Martin before lol.
Check out the big brain on Calvin !
49:08 the chat after Martin said "Not many Asians in the prison"
I don't believe him when he says that he's mostly met with positivity, especially after he said "I guess you have an overactive imagination"
I do. All of the people who virtue signaled about hating him don’t have the interest to look for him anywhere a week after the headlines die down. Anyone who still remembers him and was a fan of his was smart enough to understand the full picture of how his price hike worked, and that he didn’t really do anything wrong.
Despite the faux outrage that the media portrayed, I think a few weeks after he was out of headlines, almost 100% of people he ran into were fans.
He was the king of trolling back in the day. You probably don't stick around on Reddit or twitter much
@@ThomasFoolery8 What do you mean he didn’t do anything wrong ? He got a felony conviction lol.
@@NothingElseMattersJM he got a felony for moving money around in a questionable fashion in his hedge fund. Nobody lost money and nobody cared.
The actual outrage being referred to by Destiny is over his drug price hike which the media went crazy over. Martin didn’t do anything wrong there.
love how august made it seem like Martin stabbed someone in the intro
“Hold ooooon dewd, I need a second for my VIDEO GAME” 🤓 🤓 💀
🤣
so refreshing from the actual brain rot convos recently. this was great
Such a great chat! He seems more grounded as a person following his stint in there.
Sober?
I just started this, but from what I recall reading years ago before he seemed like a far more humble guy then even most streamers nowadays. He probably did get better as anyone would but the initial media portrayal of him being a stuck up sociopath was wrong from the very beginning.
@@zenith2068 oh Sure He is a sweet Guy with strong Moral Guidelines who did nothing wrong :)
@@TheXxomasteroxx if you look into this his company raised prices but you could reach out to him if you couldn’t afford it and he would hook you up. If anything he’s one of the few examples of an individual of this class who you can tell really gave a shit about people. The media narrative surrounding him at the time was just overwhelmingly negative
@@zenith2068 lol
When he pitches his voice up he sounds like ray william johnson
Shkreli always gives off a surprising amount of boomer energy for someone in his position.
@SaucyFaz I mostly mean technologically
Im glad you're doing these interviews Destiny, but please show some respect and turn the game off or pause it. Many moments of you losing track of the conversation and awkward silences. Prepare some questions and give your full attention.
Now THIS is platforming.
It’s the most platforming I’ve seen
people just assume HIS NAME IS JOHN CENA
i am actually happy martin shkreli is out of prison at one point i spoke to him through one of his live streams he is actually not a bad guy and taught me a lot about finances
Lots of bad guys are freindly.
He could of done with teaching you some grammar as well.
@@TubbyBrewster11 english is not my first lanuage its decent but some times if i am typing fast i slip up
@@pluto4816 ah fair enough, my apologies. It is very good for it not being your first language, certainly 100x better than anything I could
write in any other language haha!
Charisma isn't a mark of someone having a good character. Most of the worst people in history were extremely charismatic and likable. For example many people who met Hitler before the war remarked on how charming he was.
Can't wait for everyone to bring up how Destiny is "friends" with Martin Shkreli in future debates. Great discussion, of course.
"People just assume...MY NAME IS JOHN CENA!!!" hahaa
It's all fun and games until the lawyer tell you your facing 35 years. Most people will snitch and keep their mouth closed about it
Fucking niccceeee
Big Herc has a channel too who did prison in CA for 10years I think for bank robbery and talks about the racial politics that plays out in CA federal prisons. Super cool if you wanna do more content like this
True, I recommend Wes Watson as well! Atleast his old vids, I havent watched him for a good while... He made some interesting and entertaining videos about high security prisons for guys like me who knew nothing about american prison life
Big Herc is a boss !
can someone tell me why the price boosting he did was not immoral?
@@floridamainn104 it was also that it was just the insurance companies paying the prices and if you were uninsured you could buy it direct for just pennies
@@bladddeesa yea that part's just bullshit
@@porteal8986 crickets 🦗
@@mrmoonlight1001 www.healio.com/news/infectious-disease/20180326/daraprim-prices-still-an-obstacle-for-patients
@@mrmoonlight1001 It's not as simple as 'insurance pays for it', and not everyone who struggles to pay for medicine will make a public issue of it
I just found out about the whole thing with the journalist he "dated" while in prison. Weird how I totally missed that. I guess it happened over two years ago, though. Did they talk about that during this interview? I might have been distracted while listening to this
can someone link martin's youtube channel? not in the description
I'm only 52 minutes in and this conversation is one of the most interesting things I've heard. How different groups acts based on ethnicity and religion is fascinating to hear about.
It is but imagine him talking to one of the prison RUclipsrs that have gone to max lvl prisoners, how much more interesting would that be
Holy shit haven’t realized how much I’ve missed Martin
He’s a scumbag why would you miss him!?
Actually curious why would people miss him? I mean this was a great conversation, but I'd rather he still be in prison for a longer period
@@iflmedia6419 Remember watching his old crash course on investing, from what I can remember it was a really good starter. He is very blunt and has these special mannerisms which somehow makes him funny (probably unintentionally?). I don’t know if he has any mods but I remember him calling out specific people in chat and then taking like a minute banning them manually, back in 2016
@@bozzez2911 those streams are fucking hilarious. He has such a low tolerance for mistakes and bs
Love your editor right now. Love this era of RUclips Steven :D
Do you know the game he is playing ?
Only thing missing is consistent time stamps
Ross should get out?? My guy....i know he didn't actually kill the people but from his perspective they were dead and he continued to put hits out on other people. No he hasn't "technically killed anyone" but he thought he did and he was fine with it. That's kind of an odd take on the silk road thing
The chat when John Cena's theme plays💀💀💀
27:37 It's kinda like how you had Rousseau who got famous and didn't like it since his whole philosophical approach was that things like vanity were terrible... And then you later had Nietzsche who hated Rousseau and felt like everyone else was too stuck in their herd mentality to realize how great he was for telling them about his life changing philosophy...
Fuentes, Mr girl, martin and Lauren = the hell panel
One of my fave internet characters of all time. We need more of his antics
Yeah lets jack up more aids mediciation prices so that the poor people taking it can't afford it
yeaaaaaaah!
Kale your salad
I like these two guys, they should do more content together.
This guys life needs to made into a movie.
What game is that ?
V Rising
4:00 Meaning and purpose , even better defined perspective.
why the fuck is there gameplay in the middle of these videos?
Loser video game streamers annoy me too
This was such an interesting convo!
Where does Martin stream anyone know?
the colab everyone wanted to see!
Destiny is a fantastic interviewer, I honestly love watching this type of content. Please do more my guy.
what game is destiny playing?
V Rising
Martin really got good therapy in prison. Wow. So much growth.
I used to watch his streams in 2016 before he went to prison and he is different now. Back then I think he was still playing into the "pharma bro" role but now he just seems like a cool dude who likes learning and teaching different things.
I was in a pod with shkreli and he was the 3rd highest shot caller in Arayn brotherhood in the entire prison. I used to wash his draws and I made him a ramen spread to gain favor
I heard he gives you a free shank if you can do a good Fuentes impression
4:30 It's actually the opposite if you are smart, what you are refering to is a high Superiorty trait, meaning you think you are better than everybody so you can't take feedback or even think of therapy.
YAAAY IVE BEEN WAITING ON THIS SEQUEL FOR YEARS
The john cena interruption was goated
Well his answer that doc´s should expect pharma producer to lie about there medication and just try stuff sounds pretty insane. I thought there was some step like testing but guess we can figure things out by trial and error.
what is the game he is playing ?