The end of the age (end of the Mosiac covenant) was to occur simultaneously with the parousia and destruction of Jerusalem Matt 24 and the TWO questions of the disciples.
Being asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, he answered them, “The kingdom of God is not coming in ways that can be observed, nor will they say, ‘Look, here it is!’ or ‘There!’ for behold, the kingdom of God is in the midst of you.”
Please consider this for a minute: It's easy to say we base our beliefs on the word of God only & not the word of man. But often our minds are not clean slates. Often we were taught a doctrine & then look for verses that support the doctrine we were taught & have chosen to believe. Often we sweep under the rug verses that don't fit with our beliefs. Everyone claims to only go by the Bible; yet even among Protestants there are quite a range of different doctrines/teachings. How do you know if your doctrine is true? Number one, make a decision to strive for spiritual & intellectual honesty. Number two, you should be prayerful asking God to show you the truth & for you to be sound in doctrine. Number three, "Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed, but who correctly handles the word of truth." Why am I saying this? Because it would be very easy to immediately dismiss anything the earliest writers say; if it doesn't agree with your current understanding of scripture. A few of the early writers actually knew Paul or other apostles. They had relationships with them & they had a meeting of the minds. They spoke & thought in Greek. They understood the culture & current events. They were closest in time to when everything took place. They could ask an apostle; 'Hey, what did you mean when you said . . .' We live in 2022. Almost 2,000 years from the writing of the NT. Who are we to think we got everything right? If we're right; how come there are so many different groups & teachings? The Apostolic Father's, which are the earliest Christian writings; outside of the new testament took God's word very seriously. They read the scriptures & took them at face value. We need to humble ourselves and hear what they have to say. That would take some work. 🙏🏻 This is my suggestion; read & examine the early writers as commentary. Check to see if what they teach is taught in the NT. Obviously, the word of God is our final authority! These writers are a valuable resource & we can learn from them. Their lives are very inspiring too! 😇 We need to be teachable like Apollos. He was doing great things for God, yet he allowed Priscilla & Aquila to correct him. (Acts 18:24-28) Apollo's was unified with the church after the correction. He must have been teachable, because in verse 27 it says, the brothers encouraged him & wrote a letter for the church in Corinth to receive him.
Amen, well said. I say the Early church fathers have more weight than any preacher today, because some knew the Apostles and the Apostles chose some to oversee churches...these men were filled with the Spirit, it would be very hard for them to make a mistake when it comes to doctrine. I think people try to make cope out reasons, for why they are wrong, but I just say pray about it
I was saved in 1989 on the Island of Maui, Hawaii, in the very early days of my conversion, I was in the town of Kahului walking past the Maui Christian book store, as I look through the window there was a large open Bible opened at Matthew 24 I stood outside and read that, large font, chapter. Because of my job I made many trips to Kahului and I read that chapter many times. I bought my first study Bible at the same store with commentaries by a Dispensational pre tribulation proponent, because I was instantly illuminated to believe in the pre wrath position, I had great anguish as I read my Bible and looked to the comments to learn the scriptures. I had to disagree with the comments in my Bible for spiritual sanity. The Holy Spirit truly is our teacher, because I was an ignorant new believer when I was shown that the pre tribulation rapture was incorrect especially when I read 2 Thessalonians 2:1-10 However I discovered that the majority of assemblies believed in the ore trim position. Thank you for your research into the early church fathers belief on this important doctrine.
You are correct I used to believe everything I was taught my whole life. My Dad was a preacher for 36 years and he changed some things throughout his life. I no longer believe in what his church taught. I had to research for myself and I still don’t know for sure.
Wait, it was nicely said but.............. what do we really know of those who wrote these writings & were not inspired by God. Were they inspired, were they not? 125 years from now when & if believers claim Copeland, Hinn & Olsteen should be read as church fathers I'd say you're nuts! Many so called church fathers were of various opinions that did not agree with each other many were Gnostic heritics. I cringed at Billy Graham quoting Augustine. The new Roman religion went in and put out many forgeries of writing even manuscripts. Delving into all that contamination will result in seeds getting planted into our flesh. God inspired & canonized His Word His way & left that to us & for us. If you believe in the Word only & standvon that only they say your closed minded because you won't expand your mind. Well, that's me, ain't going down man's road. I've looked into enough of so called "church fathers" to see they are just like us today: flesh just full of their own opinions that try or actually get to expand outside of scripture/truth to incorporate doctrine. History can be a good thing but we should all not be so gullible to accept it due to the contamination of it by the Roman religion that re-created Christianity into their image. If that's too harsh then get into a deep study on them or visit your catholic neighbor sitting on his patio sipping on Jack Daniel's after mass with all his little guy Saint statues set out in front of him.
Now that you’ve covered the church fathers, including Irenaeus, who believed baptism was essential for salvation, Jesus continued his ministry into his forties, and the world would completely end before its 6,000th year, let’s look at what Jesus said about coming #2 : Matthew 10:23 When they persecute you in one town, flee to the next, for truly, I say to you, you will not have gone through all the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes. Mark 9:1 And he said to them, “Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the kingdom of God after it has come with power.” Matthew 24:34 Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place. John 21:20-22 Peter turned and saw the disciple whom Jesus loved following them, the one who also had leaned back against him during the supper and had said, “Lord, who is it that is going to betray you?” 21 When Peter saw him, he said to Jesus, “Lord, what about this man?” 22 Jesus said to him, “If it is my will that he remain until I come, what is that to you? You follow me!”
According to St. Paul it is the Church that is the pillar and ground of truth. Paul also instructed us to follow the Apostolic traditions delivered by writing or word of mouth.
When Paul stated that the Church was the pillar, he did not mean that the Church props up the truth, and that without the Church, the truth doesn't stand on its own. We are to lift up the truth as a pillar lifts up a building. Our foundation is the truth too.
Thank you so much for your hard work. I'm currently putting together a bibliography for a topic in seminary on the eschatology of the early church, and this was a major help.
@@adamwhite3151 sure. Now I have not studied these resources at length, but simply used them for a potential bibliography that I would use on writing a paper on the patristic theology of the early church.
@@adamwhite3151 here is the actual link to the google drive document docs.google.com/document/d/1HU3osUzoDeH_PuYym99gRn-cMK5fX2mw/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=112148251794077973564&rtpof=true&sd=true
@@MissionaryMikeW Based on Hebrews 9:15 and Hebrews 12:22-24, the Messiah’s death in Daniel 9:26 cannot be separated from the New Covenant fulfilled by His blood at Calvary. Are we supposed to believe the angel Gabriel appeared to Daniel to reveal the timeline of the Messiah who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and then the angel failed to even mention the New Covenant. Or, is the covenant with the many in Daniel 9:27 the same covenant with the many in Matthew 26:28? The 1599 Geneva Bible is the Bible the Pilgrims brought to America, before John Darby showed up on our shores about the time of the Civil War. What was the earlier understanding of Daniel 9:27 found below in the notes of the 1599 Geneva Bible? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dan 9:27 And he shal confirme the couenant with many for one weeke: and in the middes of the weeke he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the ouerspreading of the abominations, he shall make it desolate, euen vntill the consummation determined shalbe powred vpon the desolate. Daniel 9:27 And he (a) shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to (b) cease, (c) and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. (a) By the preaching of the Gospel he affirmed his promise, first to the Jews, and after to the Gentiles. (See Rom. 1:16, Matt. 10:5-7, Acts 10:36-38) (b) Christ accomplished this by his death and resurrection. (See Heb. 9:15) (c) Meaning that Jerusalem and the sanctuary would be utterly destroyed because of their rebellion against God, and their idolatry: or as some read, that the plague will be so great, that they will all be astonished at them. (See Matt. 23:38, Matt. 24:1-2, Luke 19:41-44) ------------------------------------------------ During recent years many New Covenant scholars have examined Daniel chapter 9 from a New Covenant perspective. Did Christ fulfill the summary found in Daniel 9:24? Is it about the New Covenant fulfilled by the blood of Christ at Calvary? Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; Heb 10:17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more. (These two verses are quoted from Jeremiah 31:31-34.) Heb 10:18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin. Act 10:36 The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all:) Act 10:37 That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached; Act 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him. The death of the Messiah is found in Daniel 9:26, and there are only two possible singular antecedents for the word “he” in the next verse. Those antecedents are either Christ or Titus, who was the prince of the people that destroyed the temple during 70 AD. Dan 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. Is the “he” in Daniel 9:27 the “Messiah”, or “the prince” of the people that destroyed the city and the sanctuary in verse 26? If we used “the people of the prince” it would not be a singular “he”. Does the author of the Book of Hebrews connect the New Covenant with the Messiah’s death found in Daniel 9:26, in the verse below? Heb 9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance. (NKJV) Verse 26 also says the Messiah would be cut off “after” the 69 weeks. If I agree to paint your house “after” 69 weeks, it will not be painted until the 70th week, or after. Is there a “gap” of almost 2,000 years between the 69th week and the 70th week, or was it fulfilled during the first century when the Gospel was preached “first” to the Jews? We know there is a time period when the Gospel was taken “first” to the Jews, as the Apostle Paul said in the verse below. Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek. Can we find a time period of about seven years when the Gospel was taken “first” to Daniel’s people during the first century? If we can, we have good evidence that the 70th week of Daniel has already been fulfilled. Did Christ command His disciples to take the Gospel only to Israel in the passage below? Mat 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent out and commanded them, saying: "Do not go into the way of the Gentiles, and do not enter a city of the Samaritans. Mat 10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Mat 10:7 And as you go, preach, saying, 'The kingdom of heaven is at hand.' Is the time period when the Gospel was preached “first” (Rom. 1:16) to the Jews in the passage above, confirmed in the passage below? Act 10:36 The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all:) Act 10:37 That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached; Act 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him. In the passage above Luke confirms the fact that the Gospel of Christ was preached throughout the land of Israel after the baptism which John preached. Here again, we have a text which reveals a time period when the Gospel was taken “first” to the Jews, as Paul said in Romans 1:16. Bible scholars have looked at the number of Passover celebrations in the Gospels and have estimated Christ’s earthly ministry to have lasted about three and one half years. Was the Gospel taken “first” (Rom. 1:16) to the Jews for a period of about three and one half years during the period of time revealed in the Gospels? In Galatians 1:14-18 Paul reveals he did not go up to see Peter until about 3 years after his conversion. During that time the Gospel continued to be taken almost exclusively to Daniel's people, before Paul took the Gospel to the Gentiles. Watch the RUclips video on Daniel 9 by Dr. Kelly Varner.
@@MissionaryMikeW Hey, Mike … I have a question to ask you, to get your thoughts on a seeming conundrum. OK, so Rev6:12-13 KJV (the 6th seal) describe events that happen at the Rapture - the sun and the moon going dark etc., which is reflected in Matt24:29-31 KJV. Then the 7th seal is a vision of the 7 trumps. This raises a question as to how could the 7th trump within the 7th seal be the last trump that sounds at the Rapture! Any thoughts on this?
@Jesusexplains Good question. The trump Paul mentions and the trumpet judgments are 2 different things. The trumpet Paul refers to was connected to the Feast of Trumpets. Tje trumpet judgements are different. Remember that Paul wrote in the 50s and 60s AD. John wrote Revelation in the mid 90s, and they were talking about 2 different things. Hope this helps...
@@MissionaryMikeW I fully understand where your point of view is coming from as it is commonly taught among the churches. However, here are a few things to consider. Firstly, although John had his Revelation experience after Paul wrote concerning the “Rapture” to happen at the last trump of God (1Thess4:16-17 1Cor15:51-52 KJV), Paul had his own “visions and revelations” experience that he wasn’t allowed to speak about - or at least it was not lawful for him to speak about certain aspects. (2Cor12:1-4 KJV) Therefore, it is possible that this is when it was revealed to him that the Rapture shall happen at “the LAST trump of GOD” sounded by a heavenly angel, not an earthly shofar sounded by man. (1Thess4:16-17 1Cor15:51-52 KJV) And it is also possible that it was not lawful for Paul to say that the LAST trump of God was the 7TH trump - otherwise there would be no mystery concerning the matter (and we know that God loves to conceal things in mystery - Prov20:5 KJV) There is no indication in scripture to support the theory (and that’s all it is) that the Rapture will happen at the feast of trumpets - none whatsoever, and Jesus never mentioned nor suggested it. It is purely based on speculation to support a “Left Behind” pre-tribulation hypothesis. Secondly, the Bible does not support another speculation that the church will be Raptured before Daniel’s 70th week while others to be termed the “tribulation saints” will be on earth during the great tribulation. Rather, Rev12:17 KJV confirms that Christians - those who “have the testimony of Jesus Christ” will be on earth during the great tribulation and will overcome the beast and his mark (Rev15:2 Rev7:14 KJV). Furthermore, in Jn6:39,40,44,54 KJV Jesus said four times in a row that he shall raise ALL believers “on the last day” - that’s a one-day, one-time “first resurrection” (Rev20:5 KJV) that happens when “the sun and the moon go dark” and Jesus appears “in the clouds” “immediately AFTER the tribulation”. (SeeRev6:12-13 Acts1:9-11 Matt24:29-31 KJV) And thirdly, why is there only a mention of the vials of God’s wrath (but not the 7 trumps) after the resurrected saints appear in heaven having overcome the beast and his mark. (See and compare Rev15:2 and Rev16:1-16 KJV) Brother, the fact is, the 7 trumps sound during the great tribulation to announce the “judgements” of God that happen before the Rapture at the 7th last trump of God, while the vials of God’s “wrath” are poured out after the Rapture, while the resurrected saints are in heaven for the marriage supper of the Lamb and the judgement seat of Christ (Rev19:7-9 2Cor5:10 KJV) Only the vials of God’s wrath remain to be poured out post-trib - pre-wrath Rapture, with the 6th vial drying the river Euphrates to prepare the way for the battle of Armageddon to follow the marriage supper of the Lamb. (Rev16:1-16 Rev19:11 to Rev20:3 KJV) The fact is that the vision that was revealed at the unsealing of the 6th seal revealed some, but not all of the events to happen at the Rapture. (Rev6:12-13 ONLY - because Rev6:14-17 reveal events that happen after the thousand year reign of Christ on earth) Here is the key of understanding - Rev6:12-14 KJV is a “PREVIEW VISION” of some of the events that happen at the 7th trump revealed within the 7th seal. Mike, I can understand that this is variation to what you have previously been taught and currently believe, but can I suggest that you visit and view the many short but informative videos in the “Jesus explains” channel on RUclips, and in particular watch and study the material presented in the 12 videos in “The Endtime Seminar Series”. God bless you with refreshed understanding - Your brother in Christ, Daniel
they sure knew the role the 24 elders would play in the end times. it says in Hebrews and Revelation how they work with the two witnesses and all of us to get it done
I highly recommend the commentaries and homilies of the Early Church Fathers to serious Christian Bible scholars. I study their writings nearly every single day. I guarantee that it will increase your faith in God. You will also understand a long list of very difficult portions of Scripture.
@KingdomIsNow While we should study the Early Church Fathers, the Bible is God's word and our authority. The Early Church Fathers had some very wrong ideas as well about things at times, so we need to place them under God's word and test everything they say and that is said today by everyone, by what Scripture says.
@@MissionaryMikeW Hi, Thank you for your response. I really enjoyed this video of yours. Yes, I always carefully sift through their teachings. I feel that I can trust those who studied directly under the original Apostles, and legitimate Apostolic Succession teachings. I have created a list for myself of the names of the most reliable commentaries and homilies among the Church Fathers from 1st century to 400 AD, after that date, I have also discovered some genuine ones in every century. Blessings.
All those things were fulfilled in those days not future in our day. Jesus said “ this generation “ ( that generation ) will not pass until all “ these things “ be fulfilled “ This should cause scholars to use exegesis and not eisegesis. But scholars like this man look towards other writings to pull out what they want to believe instead of letting scripture interpret scripture. Apoplectic language from the Old Testament is key to learning what Revelation is saying. He put more importance on what the “ early fathers “ believed than just looking at scripture. They didn’t understand what took place and that’s not unusual in those days nor in ours. Everyone is responsible for learning and trying to understand scripture for their self. What you don’t understand continue to study but don’t add your opinion to the scripture.
@@MissionaryMikeW I might check it out but I'm very aware of the teachings on Preterism and feel it comes closer to what scripture actually is saying when it comes to the last days and so on.
Where do I start. Your claim of the dating of Revelation was written in the 90s AD. (Rev 17:10), "five have fallen, one is" was Nero who killed himself in 68 AD. It would seem logical that John would have included the destruction of the temple and the city in Revelation, if your claim was true. Antichrist, (1 John 2:18) "many have come, that's how we know its the last hour". The great tribulation (Revelation 1:9) "I John a fellow partaker in the tribulation." Your tribulation is over 2000 years so far. You are right about one thing. Most of the early church fathers didn't hold to your claim. After that there was a decisive turning point with the writings of Justin Martyr with his writings known as the second clement, claiming that the Parousia has been postponed. There is only one viable early church writer and He is the very word of God, unless you feel He is a false prophet. • C. S. Lewis said this: “It is clear from the New Testament that the disciples all expected the Second Coming in their own lifetime. And, worse still, they had a reason, and one which you will find very embarrassing. Their Master had told them so. He shared, and indeed created, their delusion. He said in so many words, ‘this generation shall not pass till all these things be done.’ And he was wrong. He clearly knew no more about the end of the world than anyone else."
I noticed that you cherry picked the quotes from early church fathers which supported your pre supposition concerning a pre wrath rapture but left out the quotes which would cast the pre tribulation rapture in a more valid light. Iraneus, a disciple of Polycarp who disciples under the Apostle John wrote in his book Against Heresies, “And therefore, when in the end the Church shall be suddenly caught up from this, it is said There shall be tribulation such has not been since the beginning neither shall be. “ Against Heresies, written in Second century AD, demonstrates that dispensational eschatology was taught by Church Fathers such as Iraneus, Papias and Polycarp and was accepted as sound doctrine by Christians of the early church period.
Thank you for your comment, and did you watch the entire video? I mentioned that the majority did not hold to anything we consider a pre-trib view, and there were very few exceptions, though we cannot call what they held to a pre-trib view. The quotes you mentioned also have a context, and that context, as mentioned, was that they were written while they were already under persecution. I quoted from Papias, Martyr, Iraneus and others in context...
@@MissionaryMikeW Greater students than yourself have spent their whole lives studying eschatology and The Early Church Fathers and have concluded, with HEAVILY FOOTNOTED documentation that PreTrib Rapture was taught by those closest to The Apostles, who were in turn, closest to Jesus. Overall, I’ll stick with Jesus’ teaching in John 14 and it’s contextual import vis-a-vis Jewish Marriage. Austin’s of contemporaneous antiquity. This pretty conclusively implies, if not directly teaches, Pre-Trib Rapture. Then, you have the fractal symbolic foreshadowing of Enoch, Lot & Rahab to contend with. Sorry - nice try, but a clear, consistent, harmonious hermeneutic requires a Pre-Trib Rapture.
Thank you for proving by this quote from Iraneus that he was POST-trib, as is SO CLEARLY evidenced by this quote from him that you shared. We first need to learn how to read words that are written and not the words we wish were written. Irenius so clearly states that when the Church will be caught up there SHALL BE tribulation, NOT there SHALL BEGIN tribulation. This is such basic language that we use all the time. For example, when any of us would say, "when I will graduate college it will be spring" or "when my child will be born it will be winter", does anyone even think that spring or winter will BEGIN at those events? No! Of course not. We all understand that when those events will occur in the examples above, that it will ALREADY BE spring or winter, respectively. That both of those events will occur WITHIN or DURING spring and winter. How much more clear could have Iraneus written it? What he's clearly saying is that the church will be caught up when tribulation will be going on, that it will be during the tribulation that the church will be caught up. There's zero validity in scripture nor early church fathers of the pre-trib rapture. Zero. Pre-trib is completely made up by extra-scripture narrative supported by cherry picked, extracted out of sentence & paragraph, phrases from Scripture. I'm so glad you shared this quote from Iraneus proving he was POST-trib.
“All the saints and elect of God are gathered together BEFORE the Tribulation, which is to come and are taken to the Lord, in order that they may not see at any time the confusion which overwhelms the world because of our sins.” Pseudo Ephraim (c.374-627)
@@mallen6035 374-627 AD is NOT early church fathers, but this is actually the early corrupted church fathers period - post church polluter Constantine and Heretic Augustine. And no I'm not part of the Orthodox church.
It is a final 'week' of years appointed to Israel. The church simply cannot be here, regardless of your misinterpretations of early writers. So you can hang around if you want, but I will be going with Jesus to the wedding when He comes to get me BEFORE the 7 year period...
1 John 2:18 literally says it’s the last hour and other scripture says it’s the last days during their time so why are these early church leaders after Christ & the apostles have passed away still looking for the last days if they were during the time of the apostles???
@@Crossbow79 Hebrews 1:1-2 - God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways, in these LAST DAYS has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom He also made the world. 1 John 2:18 - Children, it is the LAST HOUR; and just as you heard that antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have appeared; from this we know that it is the last hour. I have emphasized the words for you. I'm not "screaming" as some may think. This shows that we have been living in the last days for some 2000 years now, and again, are further along now than before. Please note that John says, as you continue to read, the antichrist is still coming...
Eschatology has been a developing tradition rather than an agreed upon theology from the start, as your review of these early writings show. My online ministry teaches that the events from 70 AD through 135 AD capture the key prophesies foretold by Jesus in his Olivet Discourse. The destruction of the temple, the scattering of the Jews to the nations, and the rise of a false Messiah (Simon Bar-Kopka) all occurred during this period of time. While the Abomination of Desolation prophesied by Daniel and reiterated by Jesus are now behind us, the rise of a final Antichrist and the Lord's return are still ahead. There are many assumptions popularized by mainly Protestant teachers that confuse the modern Church. One is the view that Daniel prophesied 69 weeks from the rebuilding of the city wall until the death of the Messiah. In fact, the passage says nothing about the Messiah's death, rather it says, _unto Messiah._ The period of Jesus' ministry from the time of his baptism in the Jordan River was three and a half years, or one half of Daniel's 70th Week. A proper read of Daniel 9:27 says the cutting off of Messiah occurs at the _middle_ of the final Week, bringing an end to the oblation (animal sacrifice), where Matthew records the dividing of the temple curtain. This is why John _only_ prophesies a period of 1,260 days or 42 months (not 7 years or 2,520 days) in the book of Revelation. Another popular teaching in modern eschatology is the one day of universal Rapture for every believer, whether that occurs before or at the end of a 7 year tribulation. The Lord himself taught a four part harvest (Matt 20:16) in which four groups are paid in an order they do not expect, closing each wedding parable with a warning that _many first shall be last, and last that shall be first._ We see the divided harvest again in Matthew 25, when ten virgins (all carrying lamps of faith) are separated at the into the marriage, as _many are called, but few are chosen._ Those virgins called but not chosen are later found in Luke: "Be ye as men who wait for their Lord when he shall return FROM the wedding..." (Luke 12:36) I encourage you to trace this comment if you want to know more.
PETERJOHN101, Jesus spoke of the Abomination as a future event. He referred his listeners back to Daniel. Daniel stated that the rescue of the oneS in the Book of Life comes after the Abomination is set up.
Well thank you sir! I was here to clear the muddied waters of preterism and this was a great teaching. I also hold a pre wrath view, and previously pre-trib. We all need to be prepared at all times regardless of rapture timing. Its not something to get sour about. Any way you can email me the notes?
IRENAEUS AGAINST HERESIES 5.29.1 IS THE WRITING. 1) In the end WHEN the church is suddenly caught up from this , it is said , THERE SHALL BE TRIBULATION." WHEN THE CHURCH IS SUDDENLY CAUGHT UP is a circumstantial clause. The future VERB is critical it places the tribulation AFTER rapture. When rapture is a circumstantial FACT THEN the tribulation shall HAPPEN.
you clearly do not understand at all what irenaeus wrote. "And therefore, when in the end the Church shall be suddenly caught up from this, it is said, “There shall be tribulation such as has not been since the beginning, neither shall be.”(2) For this is the last contest of the righteous, in which, when they overcome they are crowned with incorruption." It does not say after the church has been taken away, the implication is that at the time church is taken away there is / has been persecution. The following sentence enforces this as the tribulation is the last contest of the righteous. So are you saying irenaeus is a silly man who says that the righteous shall not go through the last contest since they are taken away before tribulation, and then immediately says that they will go through it?
@@hosannayeshua4446 I CLEARLY UNDERSTAND THAT THE 70TH WEEK OF DANIEL IS NOT FOR THE CHURCH . that the 24 elders are clearly the rewarded church before the time of wrath
Please, Siblings, can you help me? Please don't attack me. I just want to be enlightened. The Bible says be ready like the servant, for the Master can come at any time, like the thief in the night. The Bible says there is a crown for those who love His appearing. We are to be excited for His coming. But why? When we know that believers would have to be persecuted or beheaded first? What incentive is there to be living holy and prepared like any moment He could come, when the Bible says the AntiChrist has to be revealed first and Christians would be persecuted first? So of course, by that time, Believers already have an idea that Jesus would definitely come and they will get prepared. But before that, what's the incentive for an early preparation? When we know that we can wait first, for the AntiChrist reveal and then the persecution, and then we know the time is truly near. And, why would we be excited for His coming when we know that persecution and beheading would come first? I'm sorry, I just wish to enlightened. Please go easy on me and don't give me sarcastic remarks.
The early Christians, as seen in the Bible and in history expected to be persecuted, because they knew what Scripture and Jesus said... Yes, living in persecution leads to a holy life, because we realize this is what Jesus said and you are correct...
You are correct. This is also one of the evidences for a Pre-Trib Rapture. The plain teachings of Jesus, Paul & John (and Polycarp & Ireneaus after John) do not get negated by men’s pet theories - no matter how compelling on the surface.
Hello, I am commenting on the incentive for holy living. When Gods spirit actually lives inside of a person, they WANT to live holy regardless of their or anyone elses eschatology.
Our notion of over time ,Newtons physics or Einstein standardized time for choo choo trains plays heavy in our lime our line of thought. Evolutionary time as opposed to reading a series of events as their notion .many make the mistake of reading verses that are not in order so much. Its a writing style of the age. A type of hakku or penmanship in many of the verses and from church fathers. To become a monarch backed faith you can save top down have a powerful church or they could've remained weak saving each soul in homes bottom up. The church could keep one foot in this world and play sainthood. This took a conscious decision to stay play sainthood try save every last second soul. Everyone always knew Enoch walked with God that it had been those who was taken without death etc. To pave the way as the right hand or Jesus requires a worldly sacrifice a path very few of us are willing to walk.
@@MissionaryMikeW it makes a lot of sense in context of our perception of time when reading through the Bible. old testament era in a lunar or solar calendar only thinking in seasons not hours or years. Eras of jewish worship that was more of personal relationships with God then times of monarch rulesd top down periods where part of state with. Emphasis put on the laws of Moses. Similar thing happens in the first 300 years where from individual to individual home to home evangelism was more bottom up. These church father in 400ad was becoming powerful it was merging with the state.
@@MissionaryMikeWits a very complex amount of time in 400ad brought massive change it was a pinnacle period many disputes about doctrine and what direction the church should go. what's the best approach to saving souls ? Is it top down through the monarch or is it bottom up from one individual at a time ? You could stay and be a Saint keeping one foot in this world be a powerful church top down reach Or you could seek ultimate righteousness try and be at the righthand of Jesus to pave the way.
@@MissionaryMikeW Russian orthodoxy rejoining Russian government and the issue with Ukraine is a tiny window into what this period was like. Good learning experience on what kind of changes can occur. The challenges that face
@@MissionaryMikeW plus as you pointed out the literary technics that we dont use today. We read verses in orders much different making it a priority when dealing with complex verses. The order in which we read it isn't always linear events.
Contrary to what is claimed here, Christianity was not "outlawed" in the Roman Empire prior to the reign of Constantine. In fact, the tolerance it was afforded for the most part - despite occasional periods of repression and persecution under certain emperors - that enabled the religion to thrive within the empire during its first 300 years of existence.
At 41:20 of the video, you say that salvation is not by works, but by faith in the grace of God. In this, you have likely erred, not understanding what works means in the text, not understanding what Faith is in the text and not understanding what grace or salvation means in the text. Faith is a verb that means "what you do because of what you believe". Hebrews 11:1 Grace is the gift of God that cleanses you at conversion (baptism) Acts 2:38 Grace is also what empowers us to be able to live a holy life. Works are not speaking of what we do in life, as we will be judged by what we do and that will decide where we spend eternity. (Romans 2:5-11) Works refers to those of the Mosaic law. Eternal Salvation can not be attained in this life, but is to be strived for so to remain eligible to receive it when we face judgment day. Eternal Salvation is an inheritance of which no man can possibly have while yet alive. To qualify to be eternally saved, one must obey Jesus Christ in all things. (Numbers 15:28-31; 1 John 5:16-17) May you come to understand these words of truth.
We are saved by grace through faith, and saved for good works, not by good works. See Ephesians 2:8-10. If you believe your works can achieve eternal life, then you have been deceived. How many works are enough? If this is the case, then God is lying, and I will never accuse Him of lying. God saves us by faith, just as He did with Abraham, and others. See Hebrews 11. Faith is belief put into action, but our works can never, have never, and will never save us. May you come to understand what God says in His word and come to salvation, by His grace, through faith in the finished work of Jesus in His life, death, and His resurrection. See also Galatians, and Romans too.
@@MissionaryMikeW We are NOT saved by our deeds, BUT we are going to be judged by them and they play an integral part in receiving eternal salvation. (Please read Romans 2:5-12; James 2:24) Ephesians 2:8 "It is by the compassion of God and through being tested and found to be faithful unto him, that you are actively being saved. (Habakkuk 2:4) It is not something that you can do on your own, but it is a gift from God. (James 1:21; Romans 3:25) Salvation is NOT the free gift --- Grace is the free gift. No one is eternally saved while yet in this life - - But to be eternally saved, you must convert and remain faithful unto the covenant that you then have with God. (Acts 2:38; Romans 6:1-23) Romans 6:16 "Do you not know that to whom you obey, his servant ye are, whether unto sin leading unto eternal death, or obedience unto being righteous..." If you are teaching that you are currently saved - you are in error. ----------------- Salvation is an inheritance (Hebrews 9:15) If you are teaching that you can never lose salvation (OSAS) - you are in error. ----------------- How can you lose what you have not yet attained? If you are teaching that all sins, past, present and future are forgiven in advance - then you are in error. ------------ (James 1:21; Romans 3:25) for sins previously committed If you are teaching that it is not possible for you to sin now that you are in Christ - you are in error. -------------- We have freewill to choose (1 John 2:1; 1 Corinthians 15:34) If you are teaching that nothing you do is considered sin, that God can not see your sins - you are in error. ---------- Nothing is hidden from his sight (Hebrews 4:13) I recommend that you study the ancient Greek texts of the New Testament, because much is lost in translation. Sincerely... PS: In Ephesians 2:8 the Greek phrase "ἐστε σεσῳσμένοι" is often mis-translated to "ye are saved". The word "Ye" is not in the Greek text but is implied. The word "ἐστε" means "Is" or "are" Just as it is in Spanish "este" This word "σεσῳσμένοι" is a compound word made up of Strongs Greek words 4982 & 3003 transliterated as "Sozo menoi" properly translated as - "Being saved". The word "πίστεως" is the word translated to "faith" --- but this word is a VERB in Greek. It truly means actions because of what you believe or faithfulness. "FOR BY GRACE YOU ARE BEING SAVED, THROUGH FAITHFULNESS..." Thus: The grace of God to cleanse us of our sins at conversion, and our faithfulness unto him moving forward is how we shall be eternally saved.
@@Daniel12.4Ministry You are confusing salvation and the rewards we will receive based on our works. I had to take Greek in seminary, and it goes beyond just studying words, though that is important. You are saying that we must do "good works" to achieve or receive eternal salvation. Again, that IS WORKS BASED salvation, and not what Scripture teaches. You say that no one is eternally saved in this life. I'm not sure where you are getting that, but it is not from God's Word. We are saved by grace, kept by grace, walk in grace, and obey God out of His grace and love for us, because He has saved us and the works we do, are out of our love for Him, not because we have to try to get salvation... It saddens me greatly that you think this way and are trapped in a works based salvation. Only God's grace, through faith in Jesus and HIS completed work can save you.
@@MissionaryMikeW The reward IS eternal salvation. Please read Romans 2:5-12. There it states that those who are obedient will receive eternal life, but those that disobey will be damned. Ephesians 2:8 states that we are saved by the grace of God, through our faithfulness. You should depended less upon the generalization of the concordance and more upon the specific words used in the Greek language. If you did you would see. There is a word used several times in the New Testament. Sunergeo - it means synergy, by working together. God does his part and we need to do our part. God cleanses us of our sins at conversion, breaking the slavery to sin, enabling us to live a holy live moving forward, but we must then choose to live faithfully moving forward. There can be no salvation for those who do not obey Jesus Christ. (ROMANS 6:16) If you go on sinning after a true conversion - you will not be saved eternally. Faith without works is worthless. James 2:24 Honestly, I do not believe you have the ability to hear these words, having been indoctrinated in the Seminary. Like most, I fear that your conscience may be seared. (Jude 1:4)
@@Daniel12.4Ministry No, the text does not say eternal life is a reward. That again, is a denial of God's grace. Our faith is expressed in our actions and words. What you think about me is not the issue. What you think about God, salvation, His grace and faith is THE issue. If you think you can GAIN eternal life by your actions, then as lovingly as I can say, you are wrong and have been deceived. Only God and His grace can show you the truth that salvation, is by His grace, and you receive that by trusting in Jesus' works FOR YOU, and that He died in YOUR place on the cross. None of us can gain eternal life and will never be able to gain eternal life, but we only receive it by trusting in Jesus. May God open your eyes to this truth and free you from the bondage and lies you have been taught and believe.
There are hints to wake or deeper blinded, unseen verses seen is Parable in Allegro you read Paul's reminders explain all WRITTEN stories where then, ALL now, tomorrow is two plus one in time the other timelessness you come third calling all things vanities mortal thoughs drink full CUP of good and evil thoughts (1Cor 13) called flesh acts seen outside in world you can be observations fulfillment but all secret thoughts not heard or seen just your mind still master by tares called vanities, so Paul who was dead seed has Saul mind by outside influences of Jews all vanities with glory of Moses death story is thought by words two persons Saul and Paul when its all ONE mind but seperated thought heard outside then thoughts cause double minded so the third is called (Solomon's) small throne many idolize Peniel with pine cone looks so its unseen in ARK protected by your Skull another hint to gods blinded with only sprouts with tares sprouts so the only search is all vanities reading secular history is classic moving NOW ahead and good ole past days with forgotten bad deaths. Gal 4:written stories called ALLEGORY then and now. Plus what was Paul only read as Saul that kill flesh with fear for paper schoolmaster hadn't retired when ink and paper about MIND same one starts being created (innocents) ADAM then needed mind seperated seen and unseen by left seen unseen by right EVE. The real truth after becoming adulthood then your mind and heart LIGHT has small lite switch to turn back on from mortal darkness all in your SKULL a flesh temporal school your locked up till you DAVID calls you Father all I AM same ONE.
Eusebius's Church History (ECH) book 1, chapter 6, last paragraph, fulfillment of the 70 weeks being 2000 years ago. ECH Book 3, chapter 7, the fulfillment of Matt 24, 2000 years ago. ECH Book 3, chapter 28, the origin of the earthly 1000 year reign interpretation derived by a gnostic who the apostle John mocked. Also held in regard an interpretation of a mind of limited understanding (Book 3:39, last 2 paragraphs). ECH book 7, chapter 24, the refutation of the earthly 1000 year reign by the church leadership considering it as carnal and not according to scripture. The Geneva bible 1560 regarding the interpretation of the Protestant reformation, Dan 9:24-27, pg: 363 you'll find the reformers commentary and their interpretation is the 70th week was fulfilled at the time of Jesus's ministry and crucifixion just as Daniel 9 says plainly. Thats just for starters.
Eusebius came many years after the New Testament was completed and was a latter Church historian, who had been impacted by the allegorical view of Scripture.
@MissionaryMikeW He referenced earlier church events from the first and second century and he preserved much of early church writings. Turtulian was a montanist who were held in regard as heretics due to seeking revelation outside of scripture, babbling incoherent nonsense and bishops were sent to shut down what was called the phryian heresy. Nepos who believed the same traditional premillenial view was refuted at a council after this doctrine separated whole churches. The view changed as Christianity progressed as yes, it was to be interpreted more spiritually as spiritual things are spiritually discerned. No one believed the 70th week was to come, they all knew Matt 24 and Dan 9:24-37 was fulfilled at the cross and following to the destruction of Jerusalem. This was also the view leading all the way to the reformers as we know by their notes in the 1560 Geneva bible. Jerome also tells us much of the church believed the "antichrist" was Nero during his time. It all comes down to who we chose to accept regarding church fathers as they disagreed on many issues and some held heretical positions in other areas. Another point to make is they believed it was all going to happen in their time, as did the apostles. Jesus explicitly warns that He was returning in that generation. I believe He did, not according to the Greek understanding. When God visits the earth, it means judgement, armies are risen up nations fight against nation, kingdom against kingdom (Isaiah 19:1). The war is against the principalities above in the cloud which plays out down here in wars like it always has. The old testament interprets the new. Peace
@@twaho Regardless of what Eusebius, a historian and not a theologian, states, the writings of the Church Fathers before him are clear... they did not believe that 70AD was the final step, but believed the Church would see the rise of the antichrist and that there was a literal 1000 year reign of Christ.
@MissionaryMikeW I disagree, please provide sources showing they believed the 70th week hadn't taken place and matt 24 as well and it wasn't Eusebius, who was a scholar, who refuted the 1000 year reign written about and propigated by nepos, it was Dionysius the bishop of Alexandria. Eusebius only recorded the event, how the church repented of the jwsh fable. You see, the jws believed messiah was going to come, wipe out Rome and establish an earthly 1000 year reign (sound familiar). This carnal understanding lead them to miss their messiah and understanding kingdom of God, not realising the kingdom comes without observation.
Thumbs down for 1 reason... how many adverts do you need.. this tells me your in this for profit rather than getting the word out... Will be avoiding any more videos
@@MissionaryMikeW there are adverts ever 5 minutes... did yiu set it to maximum advertisement or someone else on your team Fair enough use the feature but not when there is more advertisement than actual video
so so much hate over pretty much nothing, is this how you treat fellow brothers and sisters in Christ? "The elders who lead well are to be considered worthy of double honor, especially those who work hard at preaching and teaching. For the Scripture says, “You shall not muzzle the ox while it is threshing,” and “The laborer is worthy of his wages.”" 1 Timothy 5:17-18 Are we now saying the preachers and teachers of the scriptures should be making negative profit (non-profit) and are we now elevating ourselves higher than the apostles? It appears so, i would watch myself very keenly if i were you, because you do not realize what kind of spirit you have.
we are not appointed to wrath. the 70 weeks of daniel is for the jews and israel. thatswhy 144 000 jews preach the gospel during the tribulation NOT THE CHURCH
144000 jews have already ascended, as Jesus was resurrected MANY graves of the saints in jerusalem were opened: "And Jesus cried out again with a loud voice, and gave up His spirit. And behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth shook and the rocks were split. Also the tombs were opened, and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; and coming out of the tombs after His resurrection, they entered the holy city and appeared to many." Matthew 27:50-53 As it says in the scripture (you would know if you spend time reading it and let the Holy Spirit guide you) those 144000 saints are the first fruits to God: "And they *sang a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders; and no one was able to learn the song except the 144,000 who had been purchased from the earth. These are the ones who have not defiled themselves with women, for they are celibate. These are the ones who follow the Lamb wherever He goes. These have been purchased from mankind as first fruits to God and to the Lamb." Revelation 14:3-4 As first fruits they were the ones who were FIRST raised up from the dead, together with Jesus Christ THE first fruit.
For the same reason we refer to our earthly dad as father. The scripture is speaking of the reverence. We are to call ‘no man father’ as a representative of our Heavenly Father, ie the pope, priests, etc. I don’t think it’s talking about using that word representing a historical person that was the origin of something, like father Abraham. He is the historical figure that God elected to be the father of His people but we don’t reverence him as a representation of our Heavenly Father.
teaching is wrong Everything was completed in 70 A.D. and New have been the new earth or in the spiritual realm in the third heaven we will go there if we believe in Jesus our savior when we die Nero was the beast all the disciples died before 70 even John Wrote Revelation 60s read Josephus books and books by Ed Stevens the whole Bible was written before 70A.D. There was no anti-Christ there were many antichrist in the early church so study. The rapture also happened before the war between the Romans and the Jews when they destroyed the temple there were no more Christians around to write any more books it’s the fourth teaching that John wrote the Bible revelation and 95 he wrote it in the early 60s and most of all disciples all read each other’s books Peter Red Bulls books or read Matthew and Jon and Luke they all read Revelation so wake up stop fearing the world we live in now and just live for the Lord day today and when you die if you’re saved you go to heaven forever
Just because He never prophesied about it, doesn't mean the Scriptures don't refer to it. There are many things Jesus didn't talk about when it comes to history or prophecy. You can't argue from silence...
I'm not sure to what you are referring? When we put our faith in Christ, the Holy Spirit does come to indwell us at that moment and He begins the work of spiritual transformation into the image of Christ. At the second coming, our physical bodies will change into glorified bodies. The Spirit is involved, but it is about our physical change on the outside, rather than a spiritual change on the inside. I hope this helps...
@@MissionaryMikeW The way I see it is this: the Spirit comes in at the New Birth, and first changes the spirit, and through the spirit He changed our souls until ultimately changing our bodies themselves to be compatible with the environment in Heaven. I guess in THAT WAY we are clothed from Heaven. I still say it comes from within.
@@guyversesgirlarmwrestlinga7067 You are talking about 2 different topics. Yes, the Holy Spirit changes us from within when we trust in Christ. When Jesus returns, THAT is when we get our new physical glorified bodies. The Holy Spirit will be involved with that, but we do not get new physical bodies until Jesus returns.
The end of the age (end of the Mosiac covenant) was to occur simultaneously with the parousia and destruction of Jerusalem Matt 24 and the TWO questions of the disciples.
Come on now after all the better understanding that Paul gave concerning biblical doctrine you cannot believe all that old interpretation.
Being asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, he answered them, “The kingdom of God is not coming in ways that can be observed, nor will they say, ‘Look, here it is!’ or ‘There!’ for behold, the kingdom of God is in the midst of you.”
Because at that time Jesus was there offering the Kingdom to the Jewish leaders, which they rejected.
Please consider this for a minute: It's easy to say we base our beliefs on the word of God only & not the word of man. But often our minds are not clean slates. Often we were taught a doctrine & then look for verses that support the doctrine we were taught & have chosen to believe. Often we sweep under the rug verses that don't fit with our beliefs.
Everyone claims to only go by the Bible; yet even among Protestants there are quite a range of different doctrines/teachings. How do you know if your doctrine is true?
Number one, make a decision to strive for spiritual & intellectual honesty.
Number two, you should be prayerful asking God to show you the truth & for you to be sound in doctrine.
Number three, "Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed, but who correctly handles the word of truth."
Why am I saying this?
Because it would be very easy to immediately dismiss anything the earliest writers say; if it doesn't agree with your current understanding of scripture.
A few of the early writers actually knew Paul or other apostles. They had relationships with them & they had a meeting of the minds. They spoke & thought in Greek. They understood the culture & current events. They were closest in time to when everything took place. They could ask an apostle; 'Hey, what did you mean when you said . . .'
We live in 2022. Almost 2,000 years from the writing of the NT. Who are we to think we got everything right?
If we're right; how come there are so many different groups & teachings?
The Apostolic Father's, which are the earliest Christian writings; outside of the new testament took God's word very seriously. They read the scriptures & took them at face value.
We need to humble ourselves and hear what they have to say. That would take some work. 🙏🏻 This is my suggestion; read & examine the early writers as commentary. Check to see if what they teach is taught in the NT. Obviously, the word of God is our final authority!
These writers are a valuable resource & we can learn from them. Their lives are very inspiring too! 😇
We need to be teachable like Apollos. He was doing great things for God, yet he allowed Priscilla & Aquila to correct him. (Acts 18:24-28)
Apollo's was unified with the church after the correction.
He must have been teachable, because in verse 27 it says, the brothers encouraged him & wrote a letter for the church in Corinth to receive him.
Amen, well said. I say the Early church fathers have more weight than any preacher today, because some knew the Apostles and the Apostles chose some to oversee churches...these men were filled with the Spirit, it would be very hard for them to make a mistake when it comes to doctrine. I think people try to make cope out reasons, for why they are wrong, but I just say pray about it
Gary thank you for what you wrote here. Very well written and written in love & truth. We need more of this in the times we’re in.
I was saved in 1989 on the Island of Maui, Hawaii, in the very early days of my conversion, I was in the town of Kahului walking past the Maui Christian book store, as I look through the window there was a large open Bible opened at Matthew 24 I stood outside and read that, large font, chapter. Because of my job I made many trips to Kahului and I read that chapter many times. I bought my first study Bible at the same store with commentaries by a Dispensational pre tribulation proponent, because I was instantly illuminated to believe in the pre wrath position, I had great anguish as I read my Bible and looked to the comments to learn the scriptures. I had to disagree with the comments in my Bible for spiritual sanity. The Holy Spirit truly is our teacher, because I was an ignorant new believer when I was shown that the pre tribulation rapture was incorrect especially when I read 2 Thessalonians 2:1-10
However I discovered that the majority of assemblies believed in the ore trim position. Thank you for your research into the early church fathers belief on this important doctrine.
You are correct I used to believe everything I was taught my whole life. My Dad was a preacher for 36 years and he changed some things throughout his life. I no longer believe in what his church taught. I had to research for myself and I still don’t know for sure.
Wait, it was nicely said but.............. what do we really know of those who wrote these writings & were not inspired by God. Were they inspired, were they not? 125 years from now when & if believers claim Copeland, Hinn & Olsteen should be read as church fathers I'd say you're nuts!
Many so called church fathers were of various opinions that did not agree with each other many were Gnostic heritics. I cringed at Billy Graham quoting Augustine. The new Roman religion went in and put out many forgeries of writing even manuscripts. Delving into all that contamination will result in seeds getting planted into our flesh. God inspired & canonized His Word His way & left that to us & for us. If you believe in the Word only & standvon that only they say your closed minded because you won't expand your mind. Well, that's me, ain't going down man's road. I've looked into enough of so called "church fathers" to see they are just like us today: flesh just full of their own opinions that try or actually get to expand outside of scripture/truth to incorporate doctrine. History can be a good thing but we should all not be so gullible to accept it due to the contamination of it by the Roman religion that re-created Christianity into their image. If that's too harsh then get into a deep study on them or visit your catholic neighbor sitting on his patio sipping on Jack Daniel's after mass with all his little guy Saint statues set out in front of him.
Now that you’ve covered the church fathers, including Irenaeus, who believed baptism was essential for salvation, Jesus continued his ministry into his forties, and the world would completely end before its 6,000th year, let’s look at what Jesus said about coming #2 :
Matthew 10:23
When they persecute you in one town, flee to the next, for truly, I say to you, you will not have gone through all the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.
Mark 9:1
And he said to them, “Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the kingdom of God after it has come with power.”
Matthew 24:34
Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.
John 21:20-22
Peter turned and saw the disciple whom Jesus loved following them, the one who also had leaned back against him during the supper and had said, “Lord, who is it that is going to betray you?” 21 When Peter saw him, he said to Jesus, “Lord, what about this man?” 22 Jesus said to him, “If it is my will that he remain until I come, what is that to you? You follow me!”
According to St. Paul it is the Church that is the pillar and ground of truth. Paul also instructed us to follow the Apostolic traditions delivered by writing or word of mouth.
When Paul stated that the Church was the pillar, he did not mean that the Church props up the truth, and that without the Church, the truth doesn't stand on its own. We are to lift up the truth as a pillar lifts up a building. Our foundation is the truth too.
Thank you so much for your hard work. I'm currently putting together a bibliography for a topic in seminary on the eschatology of the early church, and this was a major help.
Thank you very much and you are welcome.
I'm writing something similar. Can you post it?
@@adamwhite3151 sure. Now I have not studied these resources at length, but simply used them for a potential bibliography that I would use on writing a paper on the patristic theology of the early church.
@@adamwhite3151 here is the actual link to the google drive document
docs.google.com/document/d/1HU3osUzoDeH_PuYym99gRn-cMK5fX2mw/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=112148251794077973564&rtpof=true&sd=true
@@MissionaryMikeW Based on Hebrews 9:15 and Hebrews 12:22-24, the Messiah’s death in Daniel 9:26 cannot be separated from the New Covenant fulfilled by His blood at Calvary.
Are we supposed to believe the angel Gabriel appeared to Daniel to reveal the timeline of the Messiah who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and then the angel failed to even mention the New Covenant. Or, is the covenant with the many in Daniel 9:27 the same covenant with the many in Matthew 26:28? The 1599 Geneva Bible is the Bible the Pilgrims brought to America, before John Darby showed up on our shores about the time of the Civil War. What was the earlier understanding of Daniel 9:27 found below in the notes of the 1599 Geneva Bible?
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Dan 9:27 And he shal confirme the couenant with many for one weeke: and in the middes of the weeke he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the ouerspreading of the abominations, he shall make it desolate, euen vntill the consummation determined shalbe powred vpon the desolate.
Daniel 9:27
And he (a) shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to (b) cease, (c) and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
(a) By the preaching of the Gospel he affirmed his promise, first to the Jews, and after to the Gentiles. (See Rom. 1:16, Matt. 10:5-7, Acts 10:36-38)
(b) Christ accomplished this by his death and resurrection. (See Heb. 9:15)
(c) Meaning that Jerusalem and the sanctuary would be utterly destroyed because of their rebellion against God, and their idolatry: or as some read, that the plague will be so great, that they will all be astonished at them.
(See Matt. 23:38, Matt. 24:1-2, Luke 19:41-44)
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During recent years many New Covenant scholars have examined Daniel chapter 9 from a New Covenant perspective. Did Christ fulfill the summary found in Daniel 9:24? Is it about the New Covenant fulfilled by the blood of Christ at Calvary?
Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
Heb 10:17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more. (These two verses are quoted from Jeremiah 31:31-34.)
Heb 10:18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
Act 10:36 The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all:)
Act 10:37 That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached;
Act 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.
The death of the Messiah is found in Daniel 9:26, and there are only two possible singular antecedents for the word “he” in the next verse. Those antecedents are either Christ or Titus, who was the prince of the people that destroyed the temple during 70 AD.
Dan 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
Is the “he” in Daniel 9:27 the “Messiah”, or “the prince” of the people that destroyed the city and the sanctuary in verse 26? If we used “the people of the prince” it would not be a singular “he”.
Does the author of the Book of Hebrews connect the New Covenant with the Messiah’s death found in Daniel 9:26, in the verse below?
Heb 9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance. (NKJV)
Verse 26 also says the Messiah would be cut off “after” the 69 weeks. If I agree to paint your house “after” 69 weeks, it will not be painted until the 70th week, or after. Is there a “gap” of almost 2,000 years between the 69th week and the 70th week, or was it fulfilled during the first century when the Gospel was preached “first” to the Jews?
We know there is a time period when the Gospel was taken “first” to the Jews, as the Apostle Paul said in the verse below.
Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek.
Can we find a time period of about seven years when the Gospel was taken “first” to Daniel’s people during the first century? If we can, we have good evidence that the 70th week of Daniel has already been fulfilled.
Did Christ command His disciples to take the Gospel only to Israel in the passage below?
Mat 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent out and commanded them, saying: "Do not go into the way of the Gentiles, and do not enter a city of the Samaritans.
Mat 10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Mat 10:7 And as you go, preach, saying, 'The kingdom of heaven is at hand.'
Is the time period when the Gospel was preached “first” (Rom. 1:16) to the Jews in the passage above, confirmed in the passage below?
Act 10:36 The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all:)
Act 10:37 That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached;
Act 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.
In the passage above Luke confirms the fact that the Gospel of Christ was preached throughout the land of Israel after the baptism which John preached. Here again, we have a text which reveals a time period when the Gospel was taken “first” to the Jews, as Paul said in Romans 1:16.
Bible scholars have looked at the number of Passover celebrations in the Gospels and have estimated Christ’s earthly ministry to have lasted about three and one half years. Was the Gospel taken “first” (Rom. 1:16) to the Jews for a period of about three and one half years during the period of time revealed in the Gospels?
In Galatians 1:14-18 Paul reveals he did not go up to see Peter until about 3 years after his conversion. During that time the Gospel continued to be taken almost exclusively to Daniel's people, before Paul took the Gospel to the Gentiles.
Watch the RUclips video on Daniel 9 by Dr. Kelly Varner.
Interesting topic that needs more discussion.
❤AT LAST … Someone teaching truth!
Thank you!
@@MissionaryMikeW Hey, Mike … I have a question to ask you, to get your thoughts on a seeming conundrum.
OK, so Rev6:12-13 KJV (the 6th seal) describe events that happen at the Rapture - the sun and the moon going dark etc., which is reflected in Matt24:29-31 KJV.
Then the 7th seal is a vision of the 7 trumps.
This raises a question as to how could the 7th trump within the 7th seal be the last trump that sounds at the Rapture!
Any thoughts on this?
@Jesusexplains Good question. The trump Paul mentions and the trumpet judgments are 2 different things. The trumpet Paul refers to was connected to the Feast of Trumpets. Tje trumpet judgements are different. Remember that Paul wrote in the 50s and 60s AD. John wrote Revelation in the mid 90s, and they were talking about 2 different things. Hope this helps...
@@MissionaryMikeW I fully understand where your point of view is coming from as it is commonly taught among the churches.
However, here are a few things to consider.
Firstly, although John had his Revelation experience after Paul wrote concerning the “Rapture” to happen at the last trump of God (1Thess4:16-17 1Cor15:51-52 KJV), Paul had his own “visions and revelations” experience that he wasn’t allowed to speak about - or at least it was not lawful for him to speak about certain aspects. (2Cor12:1-4 KJV) Therefore, it is possible that this is when it was revealed to him that the Rapture shall happen at “the LAST trump of GOD” sounded by a heavenly angel, not an earthly shofar sounded by man. (1Thess4:16-17 1Cor15:51-52 KJV) And it is also possible that it was not lawful for Paul to say that the LAST trump of God was the 7TH trump - otherwise there would be no mystery concerning the matter (and we know that God loves to conceal things in mystery - Prov20:5 KJV)
There is no indication in scripture to support the theory (and that’s all it is) that the Rapture will happen at the feast of trumpets - none whatsoever, and Jesus never mentioned nor suggested it. It is purely based on speculation to support a “Left Behind” pre-tribulation hypothesis.
Secondly, the Bible does not support another speculation that the church will be Raptured before Daniel’s 70th week while others to be termed the “tribulation saints” will be on earth during the great tribulation. Rather, Rev12:17 KJV confirms that Christians - those who “have the testimony of Jesus Christ” will be on earth during the great tribulation and will overcome the beast and his mark (Rev15:2 Rev7:14 KJV). Furthermore, in Jn6:39,40,44,54 KJV Jesus said four times in a row that he shall raise ALL believers “on the last day” - that’s a one-day, one-time “first resurrection” (Rev20:5 KJV) that happens when “the sun and the moon go dark” and Jesus appears “in the clouds” “immediately AFTER the tribulation”. (SeeRev6:12-13 Acts1:9-11 Matt24:29-31 KJV)
And thirdly, why is there only a mention of the vials of God’s wrath (but not the 7 trumps) after the resurrected saints appear in heaven having overcome the beast and his mark. (See and compare Rev15:2 and Rev16:1-16 KJV)
Brother, the fact is, the 7 trumps sound during the great tribulation to announce the “judgements” of God that happen before the Rapture at the 7th last trump of God, while the vials of God’s “wrath” are poured out after the Rapture, while the resurrected saints are in heaven for the marriage supper of the Lamb and the judgement seat of Christ (Rev19:7-9 2Cor5:10 KJV)
Only the vials of God’s wrath remain to be poured out post-trib - pre-wrath Rapture, with the 6th vial drying the river Euphrates to prepare the way for the battle of Armageddon to follow the marriage supper of the Lamb. (Rev16:1-16 Rev19:11 to Rev20:3 KJV)
The fact is that the vision that was revealed at the unsealing of the 6th seal revealed some, but not all of the events to happen at the Rapture. (Rev6:12-13 ONLY - because Rev6:14-17 reveal events that happen after the thousand year reign of Christ on earth)
Here is the key of understanding - Rev6:12-14 KJV is a “PREVIEW VISION” of some of the events that happen at the 7th trump revealed within the 7th seal.
Mike, I can understand that this is variation to what you have previously been taught and currently believe, but can I suggest that you visit and view the many short but informative videos in the “Jesus explains” channel on RUclips, and in particular watch and study the material presented in the 12 videos in “The Endtime Seminar Series”. God bless you with refreshed understanding - Your brother in Christ, Daniel
Just came across this...interesting and enjoyed this much!
Thank you!
they sure knew the role the 24 elders would play in the end times. it says in Hebrews and Revelation how they work with the two witnesses and all of us to get it done
I highly recommend the commentaries and homilies of the Early Church Fathers to serious Christian Bible scholars. I study their writings nearly every single day. I guarantee that it will increase your faith in God. You will also understand a long list of very difficult portions of Scripture.
@KingdomIsNow While we should study the Early Church Fathers, the Bible is God's word and our authority. The Early Church Fathers had some very wrong ideas as well about things at times, so we need to place them under God's word and test everything they say and that is said today by everyone, by what Scripture says.
@@MissionaryMikeW Hi, Thank you for your response. I really enjoyed this video of yours. Yes, I always carefully sift through their teachings. I feel that I can trust those who studied directly under the original Apostles, and legitimate Apostolic Succession teachings. I have created a list for myself of the names of the most reliable commentaries and homilies among the Church Fathers from 1st century to 400 AD, after that date, I have also discovered some genuine ones in every century. Blessings.
All those things were fulfilled in those days not future in our day. Jesus said “ this generation “ ( that generation ) will not pass until all “ these things “ be fulfilled “ This should cause scholars to use exegesis and not eisegesis. But scholars like this man look towards other writings to pull out what they want to believe instead of letting scripture interpret scripture. Apoplectic language from the Old Testament is key to learning what Revelation is saying. He put more importance on what the “ early fathers “ believed than just looking at scripture. They didn’t understand what took place and that’s not unusual in those days nor in ours. Everyone is responsible for learning and trying to understand scripture for their self. What you don’t understand continue to study but don’t add your opinion to the scripture.
I have done a video on Problems with Preterism that address much of what you stated. I encourage you to watch that video.
@@MissionaryMikeW I might check it out but I'm very aware of the teachings on Preterism and feel it comes closer to what scripture actually is saying when it comes to the last days and so on.
@@hollymills4096 I address what Jesus meant by "this generation" in the video as well.
Thank you brother Mike. I enjoyed it . GOD bless you brother
Where do I start. Your claim of the dating of Revelation was written in the 90s AD. (Rev 17:10), "five have fallen, one is" was Nero who killed himself in 68 AD. It would seem logical that John would have included the destruction of the temple and the city in Revelation, if your claim was true. Antichrist, (1 John 2:18) "many have come, that's how we know its the last hour". The great tribulation (Revelation 1:9) "I John a fellow partaker in the tribulation." Your tribulation is over 2000 years so far. You are right about one thing. Most of the early church fathers didn't hold to your claim. After that there was a decisive turning point with the writings of Justin Martyr with his writings known as the second clement, claiming that the Parousia has been postponed. There is only one viable early church writer and He is the very word of God, unless you feel He is a false prophet.
• C. S. Lewis said this: “It is clear from the New Testament that the disciples all expected the Second Coming in their own lifetime. And, worse still, they had a reason, and one which you will find very embarrassing. Their Master had told them so. He shared, and indeed created, their delusion. He said in so many words, ‘this generation shall not pass till all these things be done.’ And he was wrong. He clearly knew no more about the end of the world than anyone else."
Thank you Lord for cooler weather.
Why you gave us hot weather is a mystery.
What were you thinking ?
@@tedgrant2 This was recorded a few years ago...
I noticed that you cherry picked the quotes from early church fathers which supported your pre supposition concerning a pre wrath rapture but left out the quotes which would cast the pre tribulation rapture in a more valid light. Iraneus, a disciple of Polycarp who disciples under the Apostle John wrote in his book Against Heresies, “And therefore, when in the end the Church shall be suddenly caught up from this, it is said There shall be tribulation such has not been since the beginning neither shall be. “
Against Heresies, written in Second century AD, demonstrates that dispensational eschatology was taught by Church Fathers such as Iraneus, Papias and Polycarp and was accepted as sound doctrine by Christians of the early church period.
Thank you for your comment, and did you watch the entire video?
I mentioned that the majority did not hold to anything we consider a pre-trib view, and there were very few exceptions, though we cannot call what they held to a pre-trib view. The quotes you mentioned also have a context, and that context, as mentioned, was that they were written while they were already under persecution. I quoted from Papias, Martyr, Iraneus and others in context...
@@MissionaryMikeW Greater students than yourself have spent their whole lives studying eschatology and The Early Church Fathers and have concluded, with HEAVILY FOOTNOTED documentation that PreTrib Rapture was taught by those closest to The Apostles, who were in turn, closest to Jesus.
Overall, I’ll stick with Jesus’ teaching in John 14 and it’s contextual import vis-a-vis Jewish Marriage. Austin’s of contemporaneous antiquity.
This pretty conclusively implies, if not directly teaches, Pre-Trib Rapture.
Then, you have the fractal symbolic foreshadowing of Enoch, Lot & Rahab to contend with.
Sorry - nice try, but a clear, consistent, harmonious hermeneutic requires a Pre-Trib Rapture.
Thank you for proving by this quote from Iraneus that he was POST-trib, as is SO CLEARLY evidenced by this quote from him that you shared. We first need to learn how to read words that are written and not the words we wish were written. Irenius so clearly states that when the Church will be caught up there SHALL BE tribulation, NOT there SHALL BEGIN tribulation. This is such basic language that we use all the time. For example, when any of us would say, "when I will graduate college it will be spring" or "when my child will be born it will be winter", does anyone even think that spring or winter will BEGIN at those events? No! Of course not. We all understand that when those events will occur in the examples above, that it will ALREADY BE spring or winter, respectively. That both of those events will occur WITHIN or DURING spring and winter. How much more clear could have Iraneus written it? What he's clearly saying is that the church will be caught up when tribulation will be going on, that it will be during the tribulation that the church will be caught up. There's zero validity in scripture nor early church fathers of the pre-trib rapture. Zero. Pre-trib is completely made up by extra-scripture narrative supported by cherry picked, extracted out of sentence & paragraph, phrases from Scripture. I'm so glad you shared this quote from Iraneus proving he was POST-trib.
“All the saints and elect of God are gathered together BEFORE the Tribulation, which is to come and are taken to the Lord, in order that they may not see at any time the confusion which overwhelms the world because of our sins.”
Pseudo Ephraim (c.374-627)
@@mallen6035 374-627 AD is NOT early church fathers, but this is actually the early corrupted church fathers period - post church polluter Constantine and Heretic Augustine. And no I'm not part of the Orthodox church.
Id rather watch this than any movie in the theaters.
Thank you.
It is a final 'week' of years appointed to Israel. The church simply cannot be here, regardless of your misinterpretations of early writers.
So you can hang around if you want, but I will be going with Jesus to the wedding when He comes to get me BEFORE the 7 year period...
1 John 2:18 literally says it’s the last hour and other scripture says it’s the last days during their time so why are these early church leaders after Christ & the apostles have passed away still looking for the last days if they were during the time of the apostles???
We have been living in the last days since the time of Jesus' resurrection. We are further along now than before.
@@MissionaryMikeW I don’t see that anywhere in scripture.
@@Crossbow79 Hebrews 1:1-2 - God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways, in these LAST DAYS has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom He also made the world.
1 John 2:18 - Children, it is the LAST HOUR; and just as you heard that antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have appeared; from this we know that it is the last hour.
I have emphasized the words for you. I'm not "screaming" as some may think. This shows that we have been living in the last days for some 2000 years now, and again, are further along now than before. Please note that John says, as you continue to read, the antichrist is still coming...
@@Crossbow79
It seems to be absolutely clear throughout the New Testament that Jesus and the apostles believed that they were in the end times.
Eschatology has been a developing tradition rather than an agreed upon theology from the start, as your review of these early writings show.
My online ministry teaches that the events from 70 AD through 135 AD capture the key prophesies foretold by Jesus in his Olivet Discourse.
The destruction of the temple, the scattering of the Jews to the nations, and the rise of a false Messiah (Simon Bar-Kopka) all occurred during this period of time.
While the Abomination of Desolation prophesied by Daniel and reiterated by Jesus are now behind us, the rise of a final Antichrist and the Lord's return are still ahead.
There are many assumptions popularized by mainly Protestant teachers that confuse the modern Church.
One is the view that Daniel prophesied 69 weeks from the rebuilding of the city wall until the death of the Messiah. In fact, the passage says nothing about the Messiah's death, rather it says, _unto Messiah._
The period of Jesus' ministry from the time of his baptism in the Jordan River was three and a half years, or one half of Daniel's 70th Week.
A proper read of Daniel 9:27 says the cutting off of Messiah occurs at the _middle_ of the final Week, bringing an end to the oblation (animal sacrifice), where Matthew records the dividing of the temple curtain.
This is why John _only_ prophesies a period of 1,260 days or 42 months (not 7 years or 2,520 days) in the book of Revelation.
Another popular teaching in modern eschatology is the one day of universal Rapture for every believer, whether that occurs before or at the end of a 7 year tribulation.
The Lord himself taught a four part harvest (Matt 20:16) in which four groups are paid in an order they do not expect, closing each wedding parable with a warning that _many first shall be last, and last that shall be first._
We see the divided harvest again in Matthew 25, when ten virgins (all carrying lamps of faith) are separated at the into the marriage, as _many are called, but few are chosen._
Those virgins called but not chosen are later found in Luke:
"Be ye as men who wait for their Lord when he shall return FROM the wedding..." (Luke 12:36)
I encourage you to trace this comment if you want to know more.
I have studied that view, Preterism in general, and have a video that shows some of the holes in that theory.
PETERJOHN101, Jesus spoke of the Abomination as a future event. He referred his listeners back to Daniel. Daniel stated that the rescue of the oneS in the Book of Life comes after the Abomination is set up.
Well thank you sir! I was here to clear the muddied waters of preterism and this was a great teaching. I also hold a pre wrath view, and previously pre-trib. We all need to be prepared at all times regardless of rapture timing. Its not something to get sour about. Any way you can email me the notes?
Thank you and sure, I can email you the notes.
At the very least, this is a refutation of the full preterist argument that end time prophecies were completed at 70AD.
Thanks for watching and your comment.
Another EXCELLENT teaching! Thank you, MissionaryMikeW!
Thank you!
IRENAEUS AGAINST HERESIES 5.29.1 IS THE WRITING. 1) In the end WHEN the church is suddenly caught up from this , it is said , THERE SHALL BE TRIBULATION." WHEN THE CHURCH IS SUDDENLY CAUGHT UP is a circumstantial clause. The future VERB is critical it places the tribulation AFTER rapture. When rapture is a circumstantial FACT THEN the tribulation shall HAPPEN.
you clearly do not understand at all what irenaeus wrote.
"And therefore, when in the end the Church shall be suddenly caught up from this, it is said, “There shall be tribulation such as has not been since the beginning, neither shall be.”(2) For this is the last contest of the righteous, in which, when they overcome they are crowned with incorruption."
It does not say after the church has been taken away, the implication is that at the time church is taken away there is / has been persecution. The following sentence enforces this as the tribulation is the last contest of the righteous. So are you saying irenaeus is a silly man who says that the righteous shall not go through the last contest since they are taken away before tribulation, and then immediately says that they will go through it?
@@hosannayeshua4446 I CLEARLY UNDERSTAND THAT THE 70TH WEEK OF DANIEL IS NOT FOR THE CHURCH . that the 24 elders are clearly the rewarded church before the time of wrath
@@hosannayeshua4446 the correct exegesis of 2 thes declares a pretrib
@@Neil-no5hv
You talk much but give NOTHING when it comes to evidence, anyone can say anything they want yet it means nothing if there is no proof.
@@Neil-no5hv
where is your proof? Why are you stating and not giving anything?
You cannot look to the future for things that happened in the past
This is an excellent summary, thank you!
Thank you!
Please, Siblings, can you help me? Please don't attack me. I just want to be enlightened. The Bible says be ready like the servant, for the Master can come at any time, like the thief in the night. The Bible says there is a crown for those who love His appearing. We are to be excited for His coming.
But why? When we know that believers would have to be persecuted or beheaded first? What incentive is there to be living holy and prepared like any moment He could come, when the Bible says the AntiChrist has to be revealed first and Christians would be persecuted first? So of course, by that time, Believers already have an idea that Jesus would definitely come and they will get prepared. But before that, what's the incentive for an early preparation? When we know that we can wait first, for the AntiChrist reveal and then the persecution, and then we know the time is truly near. And, why would we be excited for His coming when we know that persecution and beheading would come first?
I'm sorry, I just wish to enlightened. Please go easy on me and don't give me sarcastic remarks.
The early Christians, as seen in the Bible and in history expected to be persecuted, because they knew what Scripture and Jesus said... Yes, living in persecution leads to a holy life, because we realize this is what Jesus said and you are correct...
Here is a possible answer...because the martyrs will reign on earth with Christ for 1000 years.
You are correct.
This is also one of the evidences for a Pre-Trib Rapture.
The plain teachings of Jesus, Paul & John (and Polycarp & Ireneaus after John) do not get negated by men’s pet theories - no matter how compelling on the surface.
Hello, I am commenting on the incentive for holy living. When Gods spirit actually lives inside of a person, they WANT to live holy regardless of their or anyone elses eschatology.
@@covered1983 You are right. I agree. Thank you so much.
The church fathers didnt all agree; scripture does... if you read it in context taking audience relevance into account
@TheJCFan I address that in the video as you know, if you have been able to watch it yet.
Our notion of over time ,Newtons physics or Einstein standardized time for choo choo trains plays heavy in our lime our line of thought. Evolutionary time as opposed to reading a series of events as their notion .many make the mistake of reading verses that are not in order so much. Its a writing style of the age. A type of hakku or penmanship in many of the verses and from church fathers.
To become a monarch backed faith you can save top down have a powerful church or they could've remained weak saving each soul in homes bottom up.
The church could keep one foot in this world and play sainthood.
This took a conscious decision to stay play sainthood try save every last second soul.
Everyone always knew Enoch walked with God that it had been those who was taken without death etc.
To pave the way as the right hand or Jesus requires a worldly sacrifice a path very few of us are willing to walk.
This makes no sense...
@@MissionaryMikeW it makes a lot of sense in context of our perception of time when reading through the Bible.
old testament era in a lunar or solar calendar only thinking in seasons not hours or years.
Eras of jewish worship that was more of personal relationships with God then times of monarch rulesd top down periods where part of state with.
Emphasis put on the laws of Moses.
Similar thing happens in the first 300 years where from individual to individual home to home evangelism was more bottom up.
These church father in 400ad was becoming powerful it was merging with the state.
@@MissionaryMikeWits a very complex amount of time in 400ad brought massive change it was a pinnacle period many disputes about doctrine and what direction the church should go.
what's the best approach to saving souls ? Is it top down through the monarch or is it bottom up from one individual at a time ?
You could stay and be a Saint keeping one foot in this world be a powerful church top down reach
Or you could seek ultimate righteousness try and be at the righthand of Jesus to pave the way.
@@MissionaryMikeW Russian orthodoxy rejoining Russian government and the issue with Ukraine is a tiny window into what this period was like.
Good learning experience on what kind of changes can occur. The challenges that face
@@MissionaryMikeW plus as you pointed out the literary technics that we dont use today. We read verses in orders much different making it a priority when dealing with complex verses.
The order in which we read it isn't always linear events.
They're not saying anything about a rapture you're just reading that into it
Correct- because no Christian ever believed the modern idea of a Rapture until the idea was introduced recently.
No church father ever wrote about a secret rapture.
Correct
Contrary to what is claimed here, Christianity was not "outlawed" in the Roman Empire prior to the reign of Constantine. In fact, the tolerance it was afforded for the most part - despite occasional periods of repression and persecution under certain emperors - that enabled the religion to thrive within the empire during its first 300 years of existence.
Actually, you need to check history. While a few of the emperors of Rome were more tolerant to Christianity, others were fierce persecutors.
Um - you’re saying that Constantine outlawed Christianity?
At 41:20 of the video, you say that salvation is not by works, but by faith in the grace of God.
In this, you have likely erred, not understanding what works means in the text, not understanding what Faith is in the text and not understanding what grace or salvation means in the text.
Faith is a verb that means "what you do because of what you believe". Hebrews 11:1
Grace is the gift of God that cleanses you at conversion (baptism) Acts 2:38
Grace is also what empowers us to be able to live a holy life.
Works are not speaking of what we do in life, as we will be judged by what we do and that will decide where we spend eternity. (Romans 2:5-11) Works refers to those of the Mosaic law.
Eternal Salvation can not be attained in this life, but is to be strived for so to remain eligible to receive it when we face judgment day. Eternal Salvation is an inheritance of which no man can possibly have while yet alive. To qualify to be eternally saved, one must obey Jesus Christ in all things. (Numbers 15:28-31; 1 John 5:16-17)
May you come to understand these words of truth.
We are saved by grace through faith, and saved for good works, not by good works. See Ephesians 2:8-10. If you believe your works can achieve eternal life, then you have been deceived. How many works are enough? If this is the case, then God is lying, and I will never accuse Him of lying. God saves us by faith, just as He did with Abraham, and others. See Hebrews 11. Faith is belief put into action, but our works can never, have never, and will never save us. May you come to understand what God says in His word and come to salvation, by His grace, through faith in the finished work of Jesus in His life, death, and His resurrection. See also Galatians, and Romans too.
@@MissionaryMikeW
We are NOT saved by our deeds, BUT we are going to be judged by them and they play an integral part in receiving eternal salvation. (Please read Romans 2:5-12; James 2:24)
Ephesians 2:8 "It is by the compassion of God and through being tested and found to be faithful unto him, that you are actively being saved. (Habakkuk 2:4) It is not something that you can do on your own, but it is a gift from God. (James 1:21; Romans 3:25)
Salvation is NOT the free gift --- Grace is the free gift.
No one is eternally saved while yet in this life - - But to be eternally saved, you must convert and remain faithful unto the covenant that you then have with God.
(Acts 2:38; Romans 6:1-23)
Romans 6:16 "Do you not know that to whom you obey, his servant ye are, whether unto sin leading unto eternal death, or obedience unto being righteous..."
If you are teaching that you are currently saved - you are in error. ----------------- Salvation is an inheritance (Hebrews 9:15)
If you are teaching that you can never lose salvation (OSAS) - you are in error. ----------------- How can you lose what you have not yet attained?
If you are teaching that all sins, past, present and future are forgiven in advance - then you are in error. ------------ (James 1:21; Romans 3:25) for sins previously committed
If you are teaching that it is not possible for you to sin now that you are in Christ - you are in error. -------------- We have freewill to choose (1 John 2:1; 1 Corinthians 15:34)
If you are teaching that nothing you do is considered sin, that God can not see your sins - you are in error. ---------- Nothing is hidden from his sight (Hebrews 4:13)
I recommend that you study the ancient Greek texts of the New Testament, because much is lost in translation.
Sincerely...
PS:
In Ephesians 2:8 the Greek phrase "ἐστε σεσῳσμένοι" is often mis-translated to "ye are saved".
The word "Ye" is not in the Greek text but is implied.
The word "ἐστε" means "Is" or "are" Just as it is in Spanish "este"
This word "σεσῳσμένοι" is a compound word made up of Strongs Greek words 4982 & 3003 transliterated as "Sozo menoi" properly translated as - "Being saved".
The word "πίστεως" is the word translated to "faith" --- but this word is a VERB in Greek. It truly means actions because of what you believe or faithfulness.
"FOR BY GRACE YOU ARE BEING SAVED, THROUGH FAITHFULNESS..."
Thus: The grace of God to cleanse us of our sins at conversion, and our faithfulness unto him moving forward is how we shall be eternally saved.
@@Daniel12.4Ministry You are confusing salvation and the rewards we will receive based on our works. I had to take Greek in seminary, and it goes beyond just studying words, though that is important. You are saying that we must do "good works" to achieve or receive eternal salvation. Again, that IS WORKS BASED salvation, and not what Scripture teaches. You say that no one is eternally saved in this life. I'm not sure where you are getting that, but it is not from God's Word. We are saved by grace, kept by grace, walk in grace, and obey God out of His grace and love for us, because He has saved us and the works we do, are out of our love for Him, not because we have to try to get salvation... It saddens me greatly that you think this way and are trapped in a works based salvation. Only God's grace, through faith in Jesus and HIS completed work can save you.
@@MissionaryMikeW
The reward IS eternal salvation.
Please read Romans 2:5-12.
There it states that those who are obedient will receive eternal life, but those that disobey will be damned.
Ephesians 2:8 states that we are saved by the grace of God, through our faithfulness. You should depended less upon the generalization of the concordance and more upon the specific words used in the Greek language. If you did you would see.
There is a word used several times in the New Testament. Sunergeo - it means synergy, by working together. God does his part and we need to do our part.
God cleanses us of our sins at conversion, breaking the slavery to sin, enabling us to live a holy live moving forward, but we must then choose to live faithfully moving forward.
There can be no salvation for those who do not obey Jesus Christ. (ROMANS 6:16)
If you go on sinning after a true conversion - you will not be saved eternally.
Faith without works is worthless. James 2:24
Honestly, I do not believe you have the ability to hear these words, having been indoctrinated in the Seminary. Like most, I fear that your conscience may be seared. (Jude 1:4)
@@Daniel12.4Ministry No, the text does not say eternal life is a reward. That again, is a denial of God's grace. Our faith is expressed in our actions and words. What you think about me is not the issue. What you think about God, salvation, His grace and faith is THE issue. If you think you can GAIN eternal life by your actions, then as lovingly as I can say, you are wrong and have been deceived. Only God and His grace can show you the truth that salvation, is by His grace, and you receive that by trusting in Jesus' works FOR YOU, and that He died in YOUR place on the cross.
None of us can gain eternal life and will never be able to gain eternal life, but we only receive it by trusting in Jesus. May God open your eyes to this truth and free you from the bondage and lies you have been taught and believe.
There are hints to wake or deeper blinded, unseen verses seen is Parable in Allegro you read Paul's reminders explain all WRITTEN stories where then, ALL now, tomorrow is two plus one in time the other timelessness you come third calling all things vanities mortal thoughs drink full CUP of good and evil thoughts (1Cor 13) called flesh acts seen outside in world you can be observations fulfillment but all secret thoughts not heard or seen just your mind still master by tares called vanities, so Paul who was dead seed has Saul mind by outside influences of Jews all vanities with glory of Moses death story is thought by words two persons Saul and Paul when its all ONE mind but seperated thought heard outside then thoughts cause double minded so the third is called (Solomon's) small throne many idolize Peniel with pine cone looks so its unseen in ARK protected by your Skull another hint to gods blinded with only sprouts with tares sprouts so the only search is all vanities reading secular history is classic moving NOW ahead and good ole past days with forgotten bad deaths. Gal 4:written stories called ALLEGORY then and now. Plus what was Paul only read as Saul that kill flesh with fear for paper schoolmaster hadn't retired when ink and paper about MIND same one starts being created (innocents) ADAM then needed mind seperated seen and unseen by left seen unseen by right EVE. The real truth after becoming adulthood then your mind and heart LIGHT has small lite switch to turn back on from mortal darkness all in your SKULL a flesh temporal school your locked up till you DAVID calls you Father all I AM same ONE.
That makes no sense...
Eusebius's Church History (ECH) book 1, chapter 6, last paragraph, fulfillment of the 70 weeks being 2000 years ago.
ECH Book 3, chapter 7, the fulfillment of Matt 24, 2000 years ago.
ECH Book 3, chapter 28, the origin of the earthly 1000 year reign interpretation derived by a gnostic who the apostle John mocked. Also held in regard an interpretation of a mind of limited understanding (Book 3:39, last 2 paragraphs).
ECH book 7, chapter 24, the refutation of the earthly 1000 year reign by the church leadership considering it as carnal and not according to scripture.
The Geneva bible 1560 regarding the interpretation of the Protestant reformation, Dan 9:24-27, pg: 363 you'll find the reformers commentary and their interpretation is the 70th week was fulfilled at the time of Jesus's ministry and crucifixion just as Daniel 9 says plainly. Thats just for starters.
Eusebius came many years after the New Testament was completed and was a latter Church historian, who had been impacted by the allegorical view of Scripture.
@MissionaryMikeW He referenced earlier church events from the first and second century and he preserved much of early church writings. Turtulian was a montanist who were held in regard as heretics due to seeking revelation outside of scripture, babbling incoherent nonsense and bishops were sent to shut down what was called the phryian heresy. Nepos who believed the same traditional premillenial view was refuted at a council after this doctrine separated whole churches. The view changed as Christianity progressed as yes, it was to be interpreted more spiritually as spiritual things are spiritually discerned.
No one believed the 70th week was to come, they all knew Matt 24 and Dan 9:24-37 was fulfilled at the cross and following to the destruction of Jerusalem. This was also the view leading all the way to the reformers as we know by their notes in the 1560 Geneva bible. Jerome also tells us much of the church believed the "antichrist" was Nero during his time.
It all comes down to who we chose to accept regarding church fathers as they disagreed on many issues and some held heretical positions in other areas.
Another point to make is they believed it was all going to happen in their time, as did the apostles. Jesus explicitly warns that He was returning in that generation.
I believe He did, not according to the Greek understanding. When God visits the earth, it means judgement, armies are risen up nations fight against nation, kingdom against kingdom (Isaiah 19:1). The war is against the principalities above in the cloud which plays out down here in wars like it always has.
The old testament interprets the new.
Peace
@@twaho Regardless of what Eusebius, a historian and not a theologian, states, the writings of the Church Fathers before him are clear... they did not believe that 70AD was the final step, but believed the Church would see the rise of the antichrist and that there was a literal 1000 year reign of Christ.
@MissionaryMikeW I disagree, please provide sources showing they believed the 70th week hadn't taken place and matt 24 as well and it wasn't Eusebius, who was a scholar, who refuted the 1000 year reign written about and propigated by nepos, it was Dionysius the bishop of Alexandria. Eusebius only recorded the event, how the church repented of the jwsh fable.
You see, the jws believed messiah was going to come, wipe out Rome and establish an earthly 1000 year reign (sound familiar). This carnal understanding lead them to miss their messiah and understanding kingdom of God, not realising the kingdom comes without observation.
@@twaho The video on what the early Church Fathers speaks for itself in what they believed.
Thumbs down for 1 reason... how many adverts do you need.. this tells me your in this for profit rather than getting the word out... Will be avoiding any more videos
No clue what you are talking about?
@@MissionaryMikeW there are adverts ever 5 minutes... did yiu set it to maximum advertisement or someone else on your team
Fair enough use the feature but not when there is more advertisement than actual video
@@jaypakMNTN I can't control the advertisements. That is something that RUclips does... and I don't have a team, it's just me :).
@@jaypakMNTN That's YuselessTube. They are insatiable. I read that many creators are not even getting paid for the ads YuselessTube forces on them.
so so much hate over pretty much nothing, is this how you treat fellow brothers and sisters in Christ?
"The elders who lead well are to be considered worthy of double honor, especially those who work hard at preaching and teaching. For the Scripture says, “You shall not muzzle the ox while it is threshing,” and “The laborer is worthy of his wages.”" 1 Timothy 5:17-18
Are we now saying the preachers and teachers of the scriptures should be making negative profit (non-profit) and are we now elevating ourselves higher than the apostles? It appears so, i would watch myself very keenly if i were you, because you do not realize what kind of spirit you have.
we are not appointed to wrath. the 70 weeks of daniel is for the jews and israel. thatswhy 144 000 jews preach the gospel during the tribulation NOT THE CHURCH
144000 jews have already ascended, as Jesus was resurrected MANY graves of the saints in jerusalem were opened:
"And Jesus cried out again with a loud voice, and gave up His spirit. And behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth shook and the rocks were split. Also the tombs were opened, and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; and coming out of the tombs after His resurrection, they entered the holy city and appeared to many." Matthew 27:50-53
As it says in the scripture (you would know if you spend time reading it and let the Holy Spirit guide you) those 144000 saints are the first fruits to God:
"And they *sang a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders; and no one was able to learn the song except the 144,000 who had been purchased from the earth. These are the ones who have not defiled themselves with women, for they are celibate. These are the ones who follow the Lamb wherever He goes. These have been purchased from mankind as first fruits to God and to the Lamb." Revelation 14:3-4
As first fruits they were the ones who were FIRST raised up from the dead, together with Jesus Christ THE first fruit.
There is no verse in the book of revelation that says the 144,000 preach the gospel or that they are evangelists
Christ came..It was a Jewish story
If you know The Bible, why are you referring to earthly men as 'fathers' . . .?
For the same reason we refer to our earthly dad as father. The scripture is speaking of the reverence. We are to call ‘no man father’ as a representative of our Heavenly Father, ie the pope, priests, etc. I don’t think it’s talking about using that word representing a historical person that was the origin of something, like father Abraham. He is the historical figure that God elected to be the father of His people but we don’t reverence him as a representation of our Heavenly Father.
@@vcbrittney4072 So you don't know your Bible? Which says to call no man on Earth, father.
"early church fathers" were following their own path. We must follow ours.
It is worth noting that in ancient languages “father” also was used to refer to “the source of” something
teaching is wrong Everything was completed in 70 A.D. and New have been the new earth or in the spiritual realm in the third heaven we will go there if we believe in Jesus our savior when we die Nero was the beast all the disciples died before 70 even John Wrote Revelation 60s read Josephus books and books by Ed Stevens the whole Bible was written before 70A.D. There was no anti-Christ there were many antichrist in the early church so study. The rapture also happened before the war between the Romans and the Jews when they destroyed the temple there were no more Christians around to write any more books it’s the fourth teaching that John wrote the Bible revelation and 95 he wrote it in the early 60s and most of all disciples all read each other’s books Peter Red Bulls books or read Matthew and Jon and Luke they all read Revelation so wake up stop fearing the world we live in now and just live for the Lord day today and when you die if you’re saved you go to heaven forever
I notice Jesus never once prophesied of the coming of the Antichrist. IF I am wrong, show me where.
Just because He never prophesied about it, doesn't mean the Scriptures don't refer to it. There are many things Jesus didn't talk about when it comes to history or prophecy. You can't argue from silence...
The thing that confuses me is this: I thought the bodies were changed from within, by the Spirit which dwelleth in us.
I'm not sure to what you are referring? When we put our faith in Christ, the Holy Spirit does come to indwell us at that moment and He begins the work of spiritual transformation into the image of Christ.
At the second coming, our physical bodies will change into glorified bodies. The Spirit is involved, but it is about our physical change on the outside, rather than a spiritual change on the inside. I hope this helps...
@@MissionaryMikeW The way I see it is this: the Spirit comes in at the New Birth, and first changes the spirit, and through the spirit He changed our souls until ultimately changing our bodies themselves to be compatible with the environment in Heaven. I guess in THAT WAY we are clothed from Heaven. I still say it comes from within.
@@guyversesgirlarmwrestlinga7067 You are talking about 2 different topics. Yes, the Holy Spirit changes us from within when we trust in Christ. When Jesus returns, THAT is when we get our new physical glorified bodies. The Holy Spirit will be involved with that, but we do not get new physical bodies until Jesus returns.