Great and interesting video! I'm interested of the last question. MIT suggested to use liquid FLiBe as a blanket material to absorb the neutrons flux, thus also generate tritium from the Li-6 isotope to the fuel. Q: have you considered something similar?
@@richardshane456 That's where the 'power' comes from. Neutrons heat the water/FLiBe and heat exchangers boil a secondary loop that turns to steam which turns a turbine!
Is the production of tritium and deuterium from water coolant not advantageous? Would a fusion reactor not need to "breed" fuel for its subsequent duty cycles?
Typically one does not what Tritium to be created in the Water since you then have to make everything that the water runs through radiation proof, which is very expensive and takes a lot of effort. Especially the Turbines. However one could have the Tritiated water heat other water that then runs to the Steam generator. But if you did that, you would loose efficiency in the Process. So the typical Process is to use the flux to fission Lithium to Tritium.
W7-X and LHD are the only stellarators that use superconducting coils, but that’s only due to cost. W7-X is the only stellarator that has non planar superconducting coils. W7-X uses LTS superconductors, HTS are higher performance but Much more expensive (due to difficulty in manufacturing). Stellarator performance is sensitive to variations in the magnetic flux surface (manufacturing tolerance is expensively low on complicated shaped coils). With current optimization techniques and LTS superconductors a GWe stellarator would have a major radius of 6m and a minor radius of 2m. This would require a serious amount of superconductors, perhaps in the hundreds of millions of USD just for the raw superconductor tape. That’s not to say it can’t be done and can’t be done economically, but it is still a challenge for stellarators. Lawson criterion is key: triple product of confinement time (minimize radial drift, the stellarator challenge), density (big magnet good), and temperature (big heating good). If we just say we don’t care about minimizing size, it may be possible to have an ignited stellarator using only water cooled copper coils. Similarly HTS superconductors would allow for smaller stellarators. I haven’t seen any studies on this, but they will come when economical reactors are within line of sight. A proper crash program like the manhattan project would get us there in ten years. At the current pace it’s unclear if it’ll be in the next fifty years. ITER staying on track is important because it will inform us of many important things necessary for actual reactors and is cheap relative to the alternatives. Once its up the budget can be spent elsewhere, likely to make a series of national reactors. Some may be stellarators.
@@willis936 Thank you for your explanation Willis very useful. I can imagine LTS superconductors is suffice at the moment for the stellarator W7-X for the research they are doing right now. Just like Tokamak energy performing a parallel study on the HTS supercondutors is better for the complexity of the design of these. Yes a Manhattan like project would be speed up the development dramaticaly but is highly unthinkable i think. Also the diversity of reactors is good if they share all the information of the research.
Well, the temperature of the fusion reaction itself will still be very hot! But you're right that we need to study the super cold as well. You might be interested in the video we made about "extremes of temperature in a fusion reactor" ruclips.net/video/IpxcGjqG9eA/видео.html
Why is there so much effort applied to fighting to keep the field uniform. Surely we can use second order instabilities to trigger hotspots and thus modulate output?
The apparent race comments here are not relevant to the video, wildly remote and inappropriate. I appreciate TE's commitment, engineering plan and communications. I believe Tokomaks are the fastest way to fusion energy supply. Everyone involved in these research projects contribute to the world's knowledge on how to develop this technology. May the best team win.
Tokomaks will never produce power to grid but will suck countries science funds dry. Fusion is a be product of the sun not the process of the suns energy.
What if you replicated the Solar Clockwork instead via Reversed Polarity + Counter-Rotation. What if you put the Design of the Cores hidden in Stars & Planets into a Tokomak then forced the Cores to spin & orbit the Tokomak instead of spinning Turbines? What happens when you take a Field and increase the rotational velocity inward like the Sun 32 day into 27 day rotation? YOU ARE MULTIPLYING ENERGY What happens if you recreated the Core of the SUN and increased the rotational velocity by speeds of 1,000 mph while that velocity multiplied inward? NOW WE HAVE AN ACTUAL ENERGY FACTORY What if you now tapped into the heart & Core of the Sun w/o the heat but instead w/ Copper Wires. NOW WE FOUND UNLIMITED CLEAN ENERGY Every other attempt will be doomed to fail or not live up to expectations.
The Magnetic Field of the Sun is stacked in layers of Reversed Polarity. When the outermost layer is forced to Rotate. The layers below are driven to Rotate as well like Gears. The 32 day into 27 day rotation of the Sun is Mechanical via overlapped Magnetic Field interaction from the outside inward. The Planetary decrease in orbital velocities outward from the Sun's equatorial plane is a mirror reflection of the Solar rotation. If you don't understand. Go ask CMR Polymagnet creators How the Fields work like GEARS in the SOLAR CLOCKWORK.
This technology was shown by Jupiter's countless layers of Counter-Rotation to exist at the very CORE of not only the STARS but also every Planet as well. ruclips.net/video/drD416THU7Y/видео.html Engineer the Solar Clockwork into a modified Tokomak = The overabundant Energy you are seeking to obtain. You don't even need Fusion. You just need to replicate the Solar CLOCKWORK by forcing the GEARS to multiply rotational Velocity inward.
Scientists are already on it: Blowing bubbles: PPPL scientist confirms novel way to launch and drive current in fusion plasmas www.pppl.gov/news/2019/11/blowing-bubbles-pppl-scientist-confirms-novel-way-launch-and-drive-current-fusion
@@johnbash-on-ger - This is the problem, bro. The Tokamak is using technology invented in 1698 via Steam Engine spinning Turbines. The Tokamak is an inanimate Steam Machine while the Solar System spins Cores instead. You're comprehension of Clockwork is frustratingly awful.......... in comparison
@@johnbash-on-ger - I get your Profile pic but I'm not a gd fkn troll ffs.......... You're understanding of the Sun, Stars & Solar Systems is stuck on The Flinstones rendition due to Relativity & the Gravitational fallacy Model. It's not 1698 any longer........
Not interested in prizes. The reason why Superconduction works.., the clue is in the Cooper Pairings of Electrons, which are a light-sound/photon-phonon resonance imaging function fractal-bubble cause-effect.., e-Pi-i "2-ness" probability property, (complex wave-packaging a String Theorist might confirm mathematically). So you'd suspect higher temperature Superconductivity to be a harmonic resonance of "4-ness".
The fact that Westerners trends to talking about Tokamak like if is this new trending topics of western civilization ultra-advanced high level technological leaps... When Russians had it from 1965 and they simply were to afraid of opening one because Fear of burning the whole world or opening a black hole after a mini supernova collapse of burning matter. It is as naively cute as Dangerously delusional... All of this for not Sharing with others HUMANS things that can benefit the life of our Race .... Like they don't have Ultra-capitalism in Russia. The cold war tension strategy copy pasted from Fascism that stated that every Communist was Insane, and Slavic people were eating childrens.... So sad levels of democracy... [Not offending anyone of you guys , keep up Good scientific Research in face to those who still believe Fermi was an actual good Scientist. Nice little history buff : Fermi in Italian language means literally "STOP".. There were other researchers in the field and in the close circle of Fermi friends.. but who drive the world important events decided to send Him and not others (maybe even more prepared then him) in America... I let you imagine the implications of his name meaning in the middle of his work during those times of war... Also remember to think about Eastern culture sometimes.. If you think how them managed to reach that technology more than half a century ago not only you can understand how much behind the western society was left by means of an empty regime of Socio political Propaganda that didn't benefit economical interests at all, you will also will be more able to understand how they managed to solve problems to us Inconceivable, just by having a divergent approach drove by different tipe of thinking.. I mean they must have done something that you're not yet aware of, in this half century of technical advantage... Changing perspective sometimes can make you look at things in different ways...Carpe Diem!]
Thanks for being so communicative, I love following this process and look forward to see you guys succeed.
Thank you
Please do this regularly, this is awesome!
What a great team, I admire these scientists/engineers. Their difficult work is so important for humanity.
Great and interesting video! I'm interested of the last question. MIT suggested to use liquid FLiBe as a blanket material to absorb the neutrons flux, thus also generate tritium from the Li-6 isotope to the fuel. Q: have you considered something similar?
Why is there a need to absorb the neutron flux?
@@richardshane456 That's where the 'power' comes from. Neutrons heat the water/FLiBe and heat exchangers boil a secondary loop that turns to steam which turns a turbine!
Best of luck we need you to win for the planet.
Great video and communication effort. My question is, how do the tokamak collects heat produced by fusion? Thanks
Good luck
Is the production of tritium and deuterium from water coolant not advantageous? Would a fusion reactor not need to "breed" fuel for its subsequent duty cycles?
catfooddogfood They are testing with blankets to breed tritium in the Tokamak to make it self sustaining. www.iter.org/mach/TritiumBreeding
Typically one does not what Tritium to be created in the Water since you then have to make everything that the water runs through radiation proof, which is very expensive and takes a lot of effort. Especially the Turbines. However one could have the Tritiated water heat other water that then runs to the Steam generator. But if you did that, you would loose efficiency in the Process.
So the typical Process is to use the flux to fission Lithium to Tritium.
Such a nice project. Does the stellarator have these same superconductor challenge? The cooling seems a lesser problem on this fusion reactor.
W7-X and LHD are the only stellarators that use superconducting coils, but that’s only due to cost. W7-X is the only stellarator that has non planar superconducting coils. W7-X uses LTS superconductors, HTS are higher performance but Much more expensive (due to difficulty in manufacturing). Stellarator performance is sensitive to variations in the magnetic flux surface (manufacturing tolerance is expensively low on complicated shaped coils). With current optimization techniques and LTS superconductors a GWe stellarator would have a major radius of 6m and a minor radius of 2m. This would require a serious amount of superconductors, perhaps in the hundreds of millions of USD just for the raw superconductor tape. That’s not to say it can’t be done and can’t be done economically, but it is still a challenge for stellarators. Lawson criterion is key: triple product of confinement time (minimize radial drift, the stellarator challenge), density (big magnet good), and temperature (big heating good).
If we just say we don’t care about minimizing size, it may be possible to have an ignited stellarator using only water cooled copper coils. Similarly HTS superconductors would allow for smaller stellarators. I haven’t seen any studies on this, but they will come when economical reactors are within line of sight. A proper crash program like the manhattan project would get us there in ten years. At the current pace it’s unclear if it’ll be in the next fifty years. ITER staying on track is important because it will inform us of many important things necessary for actual reactors and is cheap relative to the alternatives. Once its up the budget can be spent elsewhere, likely to make a series of national reactors. Some may be stellarators.
@@willis936 Thank you for your explanation Willis very useful. I can imagine LTS superconductors is suffice at the moment for the stellarator W7-X for the research they are doing right now. Just like Tokamak energy performing a parallel study on the HTS supercondutors is better for the complexity of the design of these. Yes a Manhattan like project would be speed up the development dramaticaly but is highly unthinkable i think. Also the diversity of reactors is good if they share all the information of the research.
your doing a great job.
With HTS, it looks like we don't need super hot fusion energy. Science looking towards the super cold will prevail.
Well, the temperature of the fusion reaction itself will still be very hot! But you're right that we need to study the super cold as well. You might be interested in the video we made about "extremes of temperature in a fusion reactor" ruclips.net/video/IpxcGjqG9eA/видео.html
Why is there so much effort applied to fighting to keep the field uniform. Surely we can use second order instabilities to trigger hotspots and thus modulate output?
Is there a way to buy the HTS Tape?
Very exciting!
So will there be a job for me in 5 years after I complete my PhD? Haha
Not if your going to waste your education on fusion research .
Can you guys slow the time in reactor!?
Get more funding and run 3 things in parallel accelerating the development by 5 years.
I am far from my depths here, but maybe the experts in here can enlighten me.
Is it possible to use this magnet ( Rebco tape ) in an ev motor?
GO GO GO!!! Cheers from Italy!!!
Also why is it that a toiroid is the field of choice ,surely helix or a lemniscate shape would have advantages??
What if same weight of electrons and protons are made to collide ???
What if the inside of tokamak is filled with water.
Then you could not have a superheated plasma in it, obviously. And it would work about as well as a fireplace filled with water…
The apparent race comments here are not relevant to the video, wildly remote and inappropriate. I appreciate TE's commitment, engineering plan and communications. I believe Tokomaks are the fastest way to fusion energy supply. Everyone involved in these research projects contribute to the world's knowledge on how to develop this technology. May the best team win.
Tokomaks will never produce power to grid but will suck countries science funds dry.
Fusion is a be product of the sun not the process of the suns energy.
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What if you replicated the Solar Clockwork instead via Reversed Polarity + Counter-Rotation. What if you put the Design of the Cores hidden in Stars & Planets into a Tokomak then forced the Cores to spin & orbit the Tokomak instead of spinning Turbines?
What happens when you take a Field and increase the rotational velocity inward like the Sun 32 day into 27 day rotation?
YOU ARE MULTIPLYING ENERGY
What happens if you recreated the Core of the SUN and increased the rotational velocity by speeds of 1,000 mph while that velocity multiplied inward?
NOW WE HAVE AN ACTUAL ENERGY FACTORY
What if you now tapped into the heart & Core of the Sun w/o the heat but instead w/ Copper Wires.
NOW WE FOUND UNLIMITED CLEAN ENERGY
Every other attempt will be doomed to fail or not live up to expectations.
The Magnetic Field of the Sun is stacked in layers of Reversed Polarity. When the outermost layer is forced to Rotate. The layers below are driven to Rotate as well like Gears.
The 32 day into 27 day rotation of the Sun is Mechanical via overlapped Magnetic Field interaction from the outside inward.
The Planetary decrease in orbital velocities outward from the Sun's equatorial plane is a mirror reflection of the Solar rotation.
If you don't understand. Go ask CMR Polymagnet creators How the Fields work like GEARS in the SOLAR CLOCKWORK.
This technology was shown by Jupiter's countless layers of Counter-Rotation to exist at the very CORE of not only the STARS but also every Planet as well.
ruclips.net/video/drD416THU7Y/видео.html
Engineer the Solar Clockwork into a modified Tokomak = The overabundant Energy you are seeking to obtain.
You don't even need Fusion. You just need to replicate the Solar CLOCKWORK by forcing the GEARS to multiply rotational Velocity inward.
Scientists are already on it:
Blowing bubbles: PPPL scientist confirms novel way to launch and drive current in fusion plasmas
www.pppl.gov/news/2019/11/blowing-bubbles-pppl-scientist-confirms-novel-way-launch-and-drive-current-fusion
@@johnbash-on-ger - This is the problem, bro. The Tokamak is using technology invented in 1698 via Steam Engine spinning Turbines. The Tokamak is an inanimate Steam Machine while the Solar System spins Cores instead.
You're comprehension of Clockwork is frustratingly awful.......... in comparison
@@johnbash-on-ger - I get your Profile pic but I'm not a gd fkn troll ffs.......... You're understanding of the Sun, Stars & Solar Systems is stuck on The Flinstones rendition due to Relativity & the Gravitational fallacy Model. It's not 1698 any longer........
Supercritical CO2 energy cycle to drive a turbine sounds more practical.
I love this idea.
If these small can get these large field strenghts. Why cant you build a small scale tokomak?
Not interested in prizes.
The reason why Superconduction works.., the clue is in the Cooper Pairings of Electrons, which are a light-sound/photon-phonon resonance imaging function fractal-bubble cause-effect.., e-Pi-i "2-ness" probability property, (complex wave-packaging a String Theorist might confirm mathematically). So you'd suspect higher temperature Superconductivity to be a harmonic resonance of "4-ness".
The fact that Westerners trends to talking about Tokamak like if is this new trending topics of western civilization ultra-advanced high level technological leaps...
When Russians had it from 1965 and they simply were to afraid of opening one because Fear of burning the whole world or opening a black hole after a mini supernova collapse of burning matter.
It is as naively cute as Dangerously delusional...
All of this for not Sharing with others HUMANS things that can benefit the life of our Race ....
Like they don't have Ultra-capitalism in Russia.
The cold war tension strategy copy pasted from Fascism that stated that every Communist was Insane, and Slavic people were eating childrens....
So sad levels of democracy...
[Not offending anyone of you guys , keep up Good scientific Research in face to those who still believe Fermi was an actual good Scientist.
Nice little history buff : Fermi in Italian language means literally "STOP".. There were other researchers in the field and in the close circle of Fermi friends.. but who drive the world important events decided to send Him and not others (maybe even more prepared then him) in America...
I let you imagine the implications of his name meaning in the middle of his work during those times of war...
Also remember to think about Eastern culture sometimes..
If you think how them managed to reach that technology more than half a century ago not only you can understand how much behind the western society was left by means of an empty regime of Socio political Propaganda that didn't benefit economical interests at all, you will also will be more able to understand how they managed to solve problems to us Inconceivable, just by having a divergent approach drove by different tipe of thinking..
I mean they must have done something that you're not yet aware of, in this half century of technical advantage...
Changing perspective sometimes can make you look at things in different ways...Carpe Diem!]