Shindo Masseto: a legendary preamplifier
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- Опубликовано: 27 авг 2024
- Shindo Laboratory is a hi-fi Japanese manifacturer of some of the highest quality audiophile gear. The "Masseto" is one of their best preamplifiers. Stay tuned and discover why with us!
N.B. I forgot to mention a big downside of this preamp...no remote!
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N.B. I forgot to mention a big downside of this preamp...no remote!
Errata Corrige: I said the MM has a step-up transformer, obviously it's the opposite. Oops! Yes of course. What I meant is that it is actually an MM design, where the MC input uses a SUT to reach MM gain. That is why there is a selector, to engage the SUT.
heh... With sound that Heavenly, *WHO CARES!!!* 😁
@@latheofheaven :-))
@@anadialog I do think that a remote on a so good tube Pre-amp should not be wise!!!
@Lloyd Stout So even less interesting if you don't use a gain stage with galvanic isolation! The idea does not woth nothing, and i'm sure that not king tube amp , and preamp would have a remote, just for that!
You're so right. The first time that I heard a Shindo amp was in 2008. The set up was the Auriege with a VTL power amp, Audio Physic speakers (later DeVore) and a Micromega CD player. I was so impressed. My most pleasurable listening experience ever in terms of the quality of sound. Obviously it's all about the song, but all things being equal, your equipment will take you to higher ground. Several months later, I demoed the Vosne-Romanee with the Costese power amp, Wilson speakers and a T&A player alternating with a turntable. I took a friend with me to the demo and he commented on how the sounds of different instruments were coming from different vantage points (sound stage and imaging) of the room. He was a rookie. Personally, what struck me is how lifelike it sounded - as if the musicians were playing live. It was seminal moment. Best audition ever. I would buy it if I could afford it. I could back then, but that is another story.
🤗THANKS GUIDO FOR SHARING MORE OF YOUR BACKGROUND AND WE LOVE ❤️ YOUR ACCENT AND ENTHUSIASM 😎😁😍😍😍
Congrats on tracking down a 230v Shindo preamp in Europe, Guido! I’ve only had the opportunity to hear one Shindo amp, but it’s a truly amazing sound I won’t forget. Your rig is coming together beautifully! Thanks for showing that stunning preamp.
Thank you Nick!
Lol l love your enthusiasm for this preamp Guido. Great video and congratulations on your latest acquisition.🎧😁👍
Thx man!
Guido, congrats on the new preamp, great choice, well worth the wait 👌
Thanks Joel!
Congratulations on getting your Shindo preamp! Interesting that the guy replaced some tubes and didn’t notice the lower quality or the reason for the lower quality before selling it to you. Thanks for showing the inside details of the machine. Pure beauty! Wow!
All I can say is that it took a special tool and all my strength to get them out...that would scare many people...
I totally understand your enthusiasm about this Shindo preamp. Roughly 20 years ago I did enjoy a Shindo Monbrison preamp in combination with a Shindo Cortese F2A poweramp. Musicality and sound of this combo was also outstanding.
Sweet! Why did you change eventually?
@@anadialog … reasons had nothing to do with the Shindo components. Private circumstances (divorce, relocation) „forced“ me to give up my hifi system at that time. And yes, I regretted that I had to do so.
I’m using the Giscours and I totally agree with your points. Great review!
What I like about Shindo is the build quality and layout which makes them easy to repair, yes they break sometimes but I only do that for my closest friends I have my own projects to build.
Don't get me wrong I like Shindo because they sound good, personally I like what the Japanese do with valves because they don't seem to listen to people who say "it can't be done like this" the japanese put music reproduction first and not how the modern rendering dictates how it should sound.
Congratulations Guido you have purchased a legendary preamplifier that’s a keeper. I too have a true hi-end tube preamplifier that I love and have owned and upgraded to current specs over the 4 decades that Its been in my main system. My preamplifier is a “Vacuum State” FVP that is upgraded to FVP-5A Level which I believe is the same circuit design as the Swiss made model. Designed and built by the late and great Allan Wright. The upgraded completed by Allan’s right hand man Joe Rasmussen. This preamplifier in combination with Joe’s latest “Beyond Triode” power amplifier will rival any hi-end pre and power amplifier combination out there, at any cost. More importantly I just love what it does to my vinyl and digital music, it sounds amazing. There are few amplifiers that can compete with the likes of amplifiers designed by Shindo, Kondo, D’agostino, Pass, Carver, Wright and now Stavros Danos - to name but a few of the greats. Oops I Almost forgot my favourite Australian Joe Rasmussen. Amplifiers by these greats are like Bugatti’s cars and Patek Phillips watches - you never truely own them, your just a custodian of these objects before it’s pasted down to the next lucky minder. Enjoy the music and Guido you live in one of the most beautiful places on earth Tuscany, the food,the history and the beauty is sublime.
Thanks! The custodian part is very interesting and very true...I like that though!
The front tubes are on a stage. The arched guilding reminds me of a theater.🎭 As for your tailoring your sound by equipment, I found myself in the same boat. I purchased a Luxman 509x and it was fatiguing until I bought the D-03X. That brought the system completely together with my Sopras. I'm using the D-03X DAC and buying an Aurender streamer next. The synergy between Luxman really balances things out and there's no sharpness or fatigue.
Nice, good job!
Beautiful preamp!
I hope that Ken’s legacy will carry on with his son’s efforts.
Hi, very nice review.I am one lucky guy who bought one of the earlier Masseto pre amps. Still have it and loving it. Very simple set up with an amazing magical sound. Masseto pre amp ,VTL amp ,Totem Winds speakers and Roksan Artemis turntable , synergy is awesome!
Sweet!
Really happy to have found your channel today! Totally up my alley and looking forward to more. Cheers :)
Thanks for introducing this Fab product & Love the enthusiasm !
I own an XP 22 but I still miss my Audible Illusions modulus 3B because the simple tube design brought out an air around the instruments that the PASS is lacking.
I had the audible illusions 3B as well. Made some recordings especially Saxophone and clarinet sound just beautiful. But it is a colored preamp with under controlled bass.
The build is amazing
WOW! I've never heard of this preamp, dude, it is frigg'n LOVELY! Beautiful appearance, and yes, your higher end tube preamps/amps can have a certain Magic, absolutely!
In over 40 years of pretending to be an Audiophile and collecting vinyl, I have just very recently *FINALLY* given in to my curiosity about tube amps. I amazingly found a lovely used Ayon Orion II (I can't post a picture here, but it is beautiful!) that normally sold new for about $5500+ which I would *NEVER* be able to afford, and this very nice fellow had one used with extra Gold Lion tubes for about half that!
Now, I just need to get up the nerve (maybe after a few stiff drinks!) to drag it out of my closet, unbox it, and frigg'n *hook it up!* (maybe tomorrow 😁)
Cool! Congrats 👏 Don't stop!
@@anadialog Thank you kindly Guido! 😊 Actually, I did get it set up, WOW! Quite different sounding than my Ancient dual Sherwoods! 😁 It's actually going to take me awhile to process the difference in sound. If you don't mind, perhaps I could send you a picture by way of e'mail, if that would be okay...
I have an old Allegro from Shindo which he personally provided me with input and output transformers and with the very rare WE 412A as a retrifier and I was able to compare it with the newer Giscours and I have to say the color and tonal balance is even better with the old Allegro.
Whereby this takes place at the highest level. The Giscours plays more modern without denying the typical properties of Shindo
Incredible! Congrats on a rare find 👍
Nice video man, I had a Masseto and loved it, now I have a Vosne Romanee, as well as a Cortese power amp and Shindo speakers etc. Shindo is magic.
Wow! How is the Vosne Romanee-Cortese combo?
@@anadialog it’s amazing! Seriously good stuff. Check out my Audiosatori blog if you like.
What is it about the Japanese high end designs that makes them so musical? And indeed they are musical. Audio Note is another great design company and I know there are many more in Japan.
dedication
Check out pictures of Pioneer Exclusive C3 and M4. Insane that these were built and tuned by hand back in the 70's. Only sold within Japan for the price of a new car -- each. Love mine, they're so musical.
The transformers.
Knowledge and passion in good Sound
Wonderful review/ video on the Shindo Pre. Indeed one of a kind. I hear the Shindo matches wonderfully with Devore Fidelity O/93 ….might be time to upgrade those golden ear speakers!
My Tritons are staying with me, they are beyond fantastic!
@@anadialog 🎶🎶🎵🎉🎉🎉🍾
093s /096s I’ll second that thought. To really hear what your Shindo pre is capable of you may need consider the rest of the system. Shindo pre works best with a Shindo power and high sensitivity speakers. Ken Shindo designed systems not individual components. System synergy takes everything to a radically different level. I’ve been through this exercise and an all Shindo system, is way superior. I’m running the Aurieges with a Montille cv391/Mr T, into 093s.
Garrard 301 power supply, EMT cart and an Auditorium 23 Hommage SUT. This combination has finally after 30 years, ended the idea of messing with gear, endless wasteful and ultimately unsatisfactory upgrades. ‘ Hobby’ broken. Go back and listen to Art Dudley, he’s spot on.
@@ShidaSoundfurniture I also have a Garrard 301, EMT, A23 Hommage SUT but O96 speakers, Monbrison and Haut Brion amp and you are so right I've had this system around 8 years and never felt the need to upgrade, sounds so good.
Sir it's wonderful to hear that you love in Florence my wife was born in Italy . The world of fine people and art for sure but the food wow and the vinsanto and grampa you.are a blessed man.peace to you
Thanks! Peace to you too!
Yes , I had borrowed one from a friend, And it was amazing, but out of my price range, then I tried it’s little brother, so fucking sweet but lacked bass drive. I ended up buying an aesthetic CLYPSO and put in vintage and ampex and Telefunken tubes matched with a VTL ST 150 POWER amp, speakers were Vandersteen fives. You are so correct a great to preamplifier will change listening experience for the better. My advice to audio files on a budget get a really good tube preamp fire at a decent solid state power amp. Second advice is take care of your room with treatment, The room is 50% of the sound you’re going to hear. Thank you for your videos I like your style. Andrew Montreal Canada
1. I love the 70’s filing cabinet vibe of this gear
2. Why does the back say laser product?
3. The RCA inputs look rather pedestrian on finish
4. Never any excuse to use Philips screws, especially on something with this price tag. Robertson, Torx, or Hex please
Living my hi-fi dreams vicariously through you my friend! The best a poor guy like me can do is a "schitt mani" , but it's decent! Nothing like that bad boy though!
I have waited 41 years ro have access to this stuff but I never ever was disappointed with what I had, it's a constant growth and it is always fun and thrilling from a Schiit mani ti a Shindo preamp and beyond!
@@anadialog absolutely!
I love the Sudanese made amplifiers.
I've end up with passive preamp. Nothing compares with passive IMO. Everyone should try it at least.
I own Shindo. I am very satisfied. The quality is due to the NOS Components the maestro used, not the point-to-POINT LAYOUT.
These amplifiers use to last for a lifetime.
You better get yourself a variable Power Suply, like a Grundig RT 3.
Turn on the machine with 100V and then dial in 220-230V slowly.
Your capacitors will love that and thank you with prolonged lifetime.
Must one use that technique every time you power it up?
@@tlr5457 you have to drive the voltage up and then down again everytime xou turn the unit on and off.
That saves the capacitors
Sir
I’m the same way.
I ran a JvC receiver since about 82 and got another one in 86. In 22 I up graded to a McIntosh amp and pre amp and built me some DIY speakers.
Bravo, Guido! You've really been getting hold of some top notch audio gear! I think you should do another audio system tour soon :)
Indeed!
Shindo still is one of the finest brands producing tube amps. Congratulations. Excelent choice :) At home, I've got the excelent tube preamp Audioexklusiv P7S, from Germany (dual mono with NOS tubes).
Sweet!!
Ok price actually esp if you got it at 60-80% discount
Yes expensive tube preamp to SS is a great combo.
Norwegians normally take care of their equipment too. So a classic purchase. Look forward to hearing your listening impressions and associated equipment.
WoW!!! Thanks Guido
Thank YOU
after all that we can't hear it?...
I just recently found a Klimax Kontrol pre amp...not sure how much better the sound is... maybe it just comes down to synergy
great gear! my croft pre and amp are also point to point, and I enjoy them immensely
Hi Guido, thanks for sharing that. That is an amazing pre-amp, but what am oddball choice of tubes. Specially the PCL86 tubes that where designed for cheap integrated amplifies. I believe they where even used in TV sets. So I would love to see the schematics of this amplifier. Clearly Shindo knew how to think outside of the box. One thing, you probably agree with: These obsolete tubes are hard to find. So I would keep looking and buying them, if I where in your situation. BTW, is this going to be your endgame pre-amplifier?
Indeed! End game? I wish so...but I got audiophilia...bad sickness 😷
I own a Masseto. Wonderful preamp and my end game preamp that I purchased in 2008. Recently aquired NOS tubes which weren’t particularly hard to find. Did have to source them from multiple places as far off as Finland for the telefunkens.
Hi Guido, great story. I also loved the sound of the shindo. I live in Ukraine and it was very difficult for me to find one to buy. Do you still use this amp?
I use it rarely and it is actually currently for sale if you look hard enough ;-) not cheap! I just can't get over the fact of the missing remote control since I use this also for my TV set.
How can I contact you? I wrote on messenger, but you don't answer.@@anadialog
@@user-wl4mp2ir8y check the info tab of my channel. You will find my email.
Like most contemporary preamps, there is no tape monitor loop on this preamp. Integrating a tape machine is a PIA because if you want to tape from your sources, you have to resort to plugging and unplugging to parch in the tape machine, Other than this inconvenience process have you come up with anything? A switch box or two switch boxes? Thanks.
True. For me the worse is the lack of remote. I am currently using this: ruclips.net/video/a7EWW4nW5nM/видео.html
With such a wonderful preamp, it would be ashamed to not get the best out of it. Neo wire us good, but it's not just what kind of metal the wires are made of, or if its is OCC or single crystal etc, there are other things too. I would so urge you to try some exotic cables. Many have in home trials and money back guarantees. Or on places like ebay, used cables can be had for way less than original cost. Companies like Audioquest seem to have new statement cables each year or so. Last years or their year before that cables, still make quite a statement.. Even if your think your reproduction is perfect, when you hear something better, you realize it can get even more amazing. With the right cables the improvement is more than subtle.
Being near the beginning of the signal chain, any sound quality lost can't be re-gotten or re-captured. There is more to cable than people think. How they draw the metal, cool it, spacing of strands, diameter of strands, special treatments, connectors, sheathing etc. The exotic cables shouldn't cost anywhere as much as they charge probably, but sometimes they are worth it. An audition first or home trial is recommended. Burn in time for cables is no myth.
I agree. Unfortunately most people don't think this is true also because in most cases they lack experience.
@@anadialog Or maybe they're doing something people like you don't seem to think exists. Science. Amir from audio science review got his hands on the cheapest box of wine he could find, and you know what? It measured every bit as good as that high end stuff Shindo names its products after.
You got the bedst pre money can bye 😊👍 congrats
-Thomas
Thanks, but the road to perfection is still long...ehheh! ;-)
Am I the only one looking at his elbow to catch the moment when the TT’s cart will be shaken? 😂
It's far from me, the camera flattens the image.
It would be just awesome to compare the Masseto with the Manley Neo-Classic 300B Preamplifier. This can be quite of a chalenge to consider it since the Manley is 300B based. What are your opinions on this ?
Don’t know how the Manley sounds but the 300B are for headphone amp and output drive. The preamp part is done by other tubes.
@@anadialog So the 300B by giving the drive output won`t affect the tone?
There's are common misconception that solid state is faster than tubes. Tube equipment implemented correctly is super-fast. This usually requires a complete tube setup including valve rectifiers.
I have build valve amps and pres for years and i have move a way from valve rectifiers because silicone diods are better and faster. I built two identical EL84 se amps only different was psu me and my friend prefer whoever had silicon diodes, the jazz musicians in the gang perceived it as being closer to reality than the valve rectifier was due to its speed.
But it can be discussed as much as we like, because we all perceive sound and music so differently that nothing is right or wrong.
Great review Guido, what power amp did you pair the Masseto with?
I tested it with the Pass Labs xa30.8, accupahse a48 and a SET amp I am currently testing
@@anadialogI’m thinking of pairing it to the Montille cv391, what do you think?
I pair mine with a shindo Haut Brion. Wonderful combination
The chassis are not made from aluminum metal, its made from steel, just ordinary steel box, painted green. And this is for a reason, because it sounds better.
You're right, thanks for pointing that out
I’ve never listened to one of these, but from what I’ve heard, it’s one of the best preamps ever made! Too bad it doesn’t have a remote control …
Take a look at the EAR Yoshino 912. There isn't much to touch it designed by Tim De Pavaracini. It's amazing
Art Dudley may have had a Masseto at one time BUT when he died he was using the MONBRISON. His last review was the Luxman CL1000 vs his Monbrison (The newer version)
The new Monbrison is really a redesign of the old Masseto.
@@aspenandkali According to Art there are sonic differences. Some things he preferred on the Masseto and vice versa so they definitely arent "twins". In the end he ditched the Masseto for the V2 Monbrison
@@billiondollarbaby3276 Oh I know. I was friends with Art, and am also a Shindo dealer.
I have Luxman CL1000 I’ve never tried shindo but this pre is incredible
wauw great piece of gear congrat Guido for your purchase!
Thanks Fabrice!
What interconnects and speaker cables were you using…Congrats on another move into the magical realm of audio nirvana.
Now I am currently using some new cables. Until now all DIY. All Neotech, OCC silver for the preamp-amp connection and occ copper for the speakers. The rest has dozens of other types, mostly DIY with quality bulk cables.
Hi, nice review of a legend and a dream of a lot of us following your channel. Indeed, at a certain point of our journey we need to decide if we go for precision or musicality or you just go for both meaning you set up two systems to listen to. May I ask you a question, if you are an Italian, where did you get your excellent English accent?
My mother was American! Here is a video on my story if interested: ruclips.net/video/3d79zS8FlJ0/видео.html
Lovely video Guido! It took you quite some time to get a Masseto in European voltage, however did you consider an American/Japanese one at 110v and use a step down transformer? I have done this with my Nakamichis (purchased from Canada) and they are used in the U.K. without issues…
Also, any thoughts on Shinzo power amps? (I use Audio note U.K. amps but would also love to hear Shindos…).
Grazie!
Thanks Christos! I prefer to avoid step down transformers, I have the impression that the dynamics suffer a little.
Congratulations 😊😊
Hello audiphile from Italy. Thanks for great review. I now have Luxman l-590ax2 with holo spring 3 KTE, cd transport primare dd35. I have this amp for over 1.5 year and i had many dacs, sources amd my concerned about amp is that its too warm like rasberry juice but in the same time its really angaging. But its too sweet. And my question is if i go for xa30.8 its gonna be more neutral but still engaging ? I want to give him tube preamp Doge 8 from China. Cheers
If you have the chance, yes, as you know I love the Luxman but the Pass is at another level and more linear for sure!
@@anadialog thanks for answer, yes i put l-590 on market. The audio journey is going to new direction. Pass pass pass 😀 i will try to borrow from diler xs30.8 and x150.8 and try with my 88db speakers. Thanks
Shindo is my dream ever since I saw Art Dudley's setup tour. An offtopic question: How do you dust clean the surface of your Kuzma? Air blower or liquid?
RIP Art.
Hi,
I finished my research experiment 7 years regarding signal processing. (Audio video, etc)
As here your are willing to be the best of the best, i share them to you. It's up to you to trust or not.
Summary:
Sound, video, picture, are intends to send emotional feelings.
Feelings are unprecise things that can only occurs by special equipements.
Numeric is to avoid at all unless you get very unprecise equipement (sources DSD2048, Amplifier 25/50/100Mghz switching, EQ, effect also with a very high bandwidth, which is today unavailable), also need to mention the power consumption of devices as soon as you get high bandwidth, perhaps more consumming than analog integrated ones, but no the tube ones! Also, the less solid, reliable, and fixable.
Analog Electonic integrated equipement: Yes the starting point and that's the way to goes for mid range people, look for very high bandwith equipement and you are in the High range and very reliable easy to use, quite cheap, also big power comsuption for the class A very high bandwidth, but you will never get skylight quality with led bulb!!! Over Lifetime Fixable unless you kills the transistors.
Full Analog Equpement: That's definitively the high end, Tube preamplifier, amplifier EQ, etc are just going to give feelings at the best. the more you add to the chains the more you will have feelings. Unfortunately Very costly, very hard to use(pre-heating, limit of continuous usage, bulb replacement, room overal temperature,etc...)/power consumption, this one is about 200-400W, BUT again quality has a cost, and if you have this kind of device, you should be able to handle the electrical Bills. Don't have regret for it's power consumption, ecological people!!, they are polluting more with their electrical cars, air conditioning, x265 decoder, internet fiber connection, iphone LCX etc. So reserved for audiophile/well instructed user/reference sound. Again also over life time fixable till you can get the bulbs. Forgot to mention, the buld will change their sounds over time usage decreasing their dynamics, so keep a good stock of bulb if you use often, afer all these are your main capacitors...
Finally, regarding your feelings. It's depend from which point you are starting, you need to wash them, just because no memory at all regarding the sound, the video and the picture if it's to much spaced, like just 1 weeks is sufficient to brainwash your feelings regarding your listening, viewing experiences and think for exemple that CD or a blue ray is good, whereas it's an evidence today, just trash... It's also an evidence that the DIN norm is not sufficient, you need to measure the full spectrum like they did in the past, the Blue ray (X264 compression, vectorisation, colors texture, 8BIT COLORS SPACE for years, digital video until 2022, the best stealh of this new century, and you paid for this, a simple VHS has already the full NTSC/PAL colors space 😂 with 240TVl raw data ~ 500GO for 1H 😍, and if you think that having 4k HDR with a 100:1 conpression rate woulf help 🤮, better put the VHS onto a 4k HDR screen with an HDR upscaler (yes they do exist, with quite a lot of money, you can get a 12bit 4K one), more feeling will come out, as well as big datarate, of course if you prefer reading the brand of the wiskey they drink...)
The best is to have all of them, spend some time on one, than quicly switch to others ones, Note feelings, repeat the procedure for each type of system/sources, always notes the feelings!
Result at the end, the best feeling you have with a system, is the best system for you.
Don't search, trust me ANALOG the best, Tubes a very good plus. Don't brainwash yourseld with the less emotional technology, because you will endind earing MP3 and watching heavy compressed video, in other words, deaf, and blind.
Easy understanding sentences, ROBOT are precise, no emotions, Humains are unprecise, emotionals. You are what you earing, listening, viewing, doing. (Of course numeric cannot be avoid for all the things, but should be for at least pleasure tasks, music, video, photo, pictures, etc...)
Well, Give this message to the most people in the world!
PS: A common mistake by audiophile is to put digital sources over analog gears. The emotionnal feelings is improoved by the analog gears of course, but they wrong the first emotional emitter in a chain is the source!!! In fact it's more emotional to put a vinyl over a digital amplifier than the reverse, things that quite a lot of people are doing now unfortunately!
PS2: Removed the precision of the cd, because i've forgotten (numerical precision is just bullshit in audio, video, pictures, etc). For example in audio you need to have 2 measure a one FQ for one T and 44.1Khz samplng involve just 22050 measure at 1 Hz and 0 measure at 22050Khz 🤣 , no serious the CD🙃.
Question of many oriented particle on the cassette at 22.050khz, responce a lot since it can well up than 22.050khz👍
PS3: I correct a mistake done somewhere i wrote that 2.5khz were correctly reproduced at 44100khz.
I was enthousiast. The 2.5khz sinus is well aliased. it look like not to much aliased for me around 120Hz.
Do the test by yourselft how? simple expression evaluator, when the sinus is not to aliased you get the real bandwidth (not to distorded bandwidth) reproduction of 44100 which i can assure you is ridiculous!
And try 22,049, it's not aliasing it's haching!!!
PS4: I correct again too much enthousiast! The stable bandwidth of 160hz for 44100hz samplig was defined by my eyes, but according some informations of a good friend, the eyes should not see a good audio signal representation! I confirmed it with a test of the representation of 1Hz at 192000Khz sampling, which effectively cannot be seen on a period! That should be the same for 22049! I'm now not afraid to tell this but numeric does not worth anything! It was born for video game music, and should have stay in this range! People who thinks that they could produce quality with this technology are just good for some research about the signal processing/and or school! The best card whose are doing DSD512 aren't able to have a non watchable period at 22049Hz! So anything below this is even badder! Unless you finish your works on a tape, or have the way to works at at better DSD rate, you will be making lower quality than a full analog chain! So people, avoid use any digital gears if you can of course and finish on a 15IPS tape, as long as better dacs, are available, but you should not wait for them, the pro audio softawre would have too much constraint for real time works with these datarate!
Dont' believe play by yourself with an expression evaluator!!!
I will finish this this anecdot:
Yesterday the aids people who take care of my end life, came to me and while demonstrating the sound of the tape, He told me that some days ago a daugther have bought a vinyl turntable to it's grand mother with a tino rossi record! And he saw a big smile on her face while working the vinyl on the turntable for her all the afternoon because she cannot stop hearing it again and again on analog support! Shame that he forgotten that a vinyl has two sides! But the grandma as spoken to teach him again!
The elders have spoken, and theirs words will stay engraved for eternity in the stone of knowlegde, and the head of the people whose aren't deaf for generations!
Which amp do you use with the Masseto?
I have tried it with Pass Labs xa30.8, Accuphase a48, Mastersound 845, McIntosh MC30 etc. I must admit that used with other tube gear things get even better
@@anadialog So with Masseto you recomend tube amp again?
Nice, but talk about the speakers your using to showcase this gear.
I am using GoldenEar Triton Reference speakers.
What are you listening on ?
Amps: Pass labs XA30.8, Accuphase a48, Mastersound 845 SET amp with GoldenEar Triton Reference speakers
How does it compare to Sassakia
Freakin gorgeous piece......Whats wrong with using a voltage converter?... I'm in asia at 240v and use lots of Japanese gear at 100v with a iso transformer, easy peasy... sounds fine.
Step-up and down transformers kill dynamics. Ben there, never going back.
Someone needs a blind listening test -)
Shindo Masseto better than the new reference Audio Research preamp?
Surely you mean the MC input has a step up transformer?
Oops! Yes of course. What I meant is that it is actually an MM design, where the MC input uses a SUT to reach MM gain. That is why there is a selector, to engage the SUT.
Always believed that Japanese gear sounded relaxed. Wonder how this unit galloped 🤔
JaSon Preamps don’t have power, just gain
This is Not an Aluminum Cover, its Sheet Metal!
Aluminum IS a metal. In any case, it's true that it is NOt aluminum but actually STEEL.
mna by len zaujimalo, to tuto "legendu" aj zvyknete uviest do chodu, alebo sa len zbozne modlite k zhasnutym elektronkam? ved, nebola by to katastrofa, co ak by sa minuli elektrony? :-)
Hi, what amp were you using with the peramp?
For this video I was using a Pass Labs XA30.8 and then a SET mono amps that I am currently still reviewing...
@@anadialog okay, I have Shindo Vosne Romanee coming and wondering how it will sound with class A virus. Sounding promising, since you are enjoying with Pass Labs XA 30.8
Pass never made a preamp that I would want to own. Their amps are however a different matter.
Indeed, Pass Labs made some incredible power amps, but their preamp and phono stage line is a different story.
@@GlaciaDay It’s because Nelson Pass doesn’t design the current models.
hi! what kind of speakers are you using with the masseto?
Hi, currently the GoldenEar Triton Reference
WHat? Shindo, their amps are also legendary it's not snobby, it's pedigree. 💐💐🍷🦍🇯🇵
True! :-)
Shindo has a very vivid engaging beautiful sounding but a colored preamp. It’s not high fidelity if you want true to the “neutral” source sound.
The XP-22 I just sold is considered the king of neutrality. Very boring and much less hi-fi than the Shindo IMO.
I wonder how we know when an amp is neutral? How is that determined? Presumably it can only be done by comparing the reproduction of the same source material on many different amps? But even then how do we know which one is “right”?
Who really cares if it’s coloured. It’s amazing to listen to. Isn’t that all that matters?
Why Shindo and not Air Tight?!
Air Tight amps are outstanding, they are more well received here in Japan. Shindo on the other hand focused more on overseas market. Air Tight's pricing is a lot more reasonable in my opinion.
I completely disagree that point to point wiring is the main or even a small reason for its sound. The signal tubes and tube rectification are the main reason.
Surely the tubes are the primary aspect, that is quite obvious. Tube or solid state are the first distinction. Then comes the rest...;-)
I would have thought the circuit design / transformers would have the biggest influence.
Funny, during the 70 and 90 tees, I used pre amps. Until I found out, the very best pre amp, is no pre amp! In my young days, they simply did not exist.
I used to think the same. Preamps do change the signal but they make it better! In any case, you are always using some kind of preamp, if you are able of controlling volume.
Of course, you're right having a tube preamp before a solid state is a pinacle on HIFI reproduction. Precision isn't the worlds of HIFI, nor video reproduction, emotions comes from unprecision. Also how can you even compare the light speed of the bulb to electrical transistor speed, they wins by a large amount. That's why numeric sound cold and if you know and i'm sure of this, the more you sample, the less precise is the sound, Why ? CQFD, Enjoy, Next step the tube power amplifier...
Ps: You don't need the pincacle of tube pre-amps/amps to already gets a clear sounds change in your listening experience, but if you can, don't hold yourself. I'm also looking for an affortable good bulb pré-amp...
@Lloyd Stout You misunderstood, i was compairing the led light to incadecente ones, no link with the tube. But the speed of the signal in the tube does have a link with the transcients whose have a link with the signal passthrought which is here the light! I'm knowing a guy which make tube amps from 1939, ok he is going to pass, but he have so much knowledge, i'm desesperate that it could not teach me more!
@Lloyd Stout You misundestood i was compairing the incadescent light with led light! But i can assure you that the bulb is link to the dynamic range as well as the transcient speed. Shame that my bulb teacher is now so old, he was making tube amps/pre amps long long ago when i'm sure you were just a kid! The last time i saw him i wan't impressed at all by my 16ohms setting, claiming that it's tube were faster and had more punch, unfortunately 32Ohm for a solid state amplifier is too much! And i cannot afford tubes, you need a lot of money for them!
Hope it don't f up.
It's a long way back to Japan for repair.
PCL tubes were the string filament versions of the ECL tubes..............the filament is current based instead of a voltage reference.......................;these tubes were used as a christmas light bulb string in TV , radios etc..........
Clever to use these and bought them up very cheap because no one used them or wanted these for audio............NOW they ask the price audiophiles want to pay , hmmmmm
Have you ever heard the sound of Petrus with 197a output transformer?? If not,
I recommend you need some more experience to make comments on sound quality.
So only who has high-end gear can comment on sound quality? 🤔
Stupid me! I thought that live music was reference.
Il tuo inglese e un un mistero da risolvere a questo punto perche è la cosa piu distante al tipico inglese maccheronico. You and only can help me to resolve it.
Mia madre era statunitense! Sono bilingue anche se nato cresciuto in Italia e quasi sempre parlato italiano.
Thank you bro.
Unbalanced… unlike Audio Research for example.