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@@faustinreeder1075 I guess RUclips deleted my comment... Geez... Can't tell the truth on here... The Gov knows where it's at and where it's going... That will change next year.
@@huangss00 Or better yet don't alter the guitars at all and give to the US Citizens who paid to have made and shipped to them. Ever not get your shit in the mail because someone stole your box? That is what they just did to 3000 people. Great job! No need to get the hoodie out customs did it before it was even dropped off on the porch. Another shining example of the "haves" not allowing the "have nots" to enjoy the benefits they do. Don't buy the story they are presenting here, this is people who cannot afford real Gibson not getting a guitar because rich people say no.
It's always a risk with anything fron China that they have parts that don't meet safety regulations. I mean, they are guitars but theres always a more than 0 chance they have lead paint or something.
They were headed for the USA warehouse. Instead of shipping each guitar from China direct to each customer in the USA, the Chinese company secures a warehouse in the USA then sends a bulk shipment from China to that warehouse to get the cost of shipping (per item) down very low. Then, when an American customer buys the guitar it is sent from that warehouse in the USA to the customer in the USA. I work in electronics and this system is very common with Chinese manufacturers.
@@littlefury drop-shipping is a different thing. Drop shipping is when you buy from a store, and the store buys your item from another supplier and this tier2 supplier ships it directly to the end customer. The shop is never touching the product.
This strikes me as odd, bc China has some crazy low shipping prices to the US through some agreement. So when they ship a guitar from China to someone’s house in the US, it might only cost them $10-20; whereas shipping within the US can be $60-160 depending how far it’s going. That said, I think you’re still right. These guitars were likely being sent to a US warehouse, to set up a distribution network within the US, as people trust US based sellers over ordering from overseas directly. I also wonder if fear of high tariffs on imported goods caused them to ship as many to the US as possible before Jan 20, to avoid tariffs that would raise the cost for the customer, and they could lose sales. Could make sense.
@@stephen3164 it is a common system now for these companies to have localised warehousing. Much of the stuff that I buy from Chinese sellers comes from local warehousing, not directly from China
@@evilstalkerhorne why anyone gotta die? Its just importing a counterfeit guitar. I don't even consider it a crime. I'm not DHS or Gibson though, nor a Nazi
Yeah, sorry. That's not a good argument either. I bought myself a $50 Squier Strat 5 years ago and taught myself tech skills and learned how to buy, sell, and service guitars. Over the last 4 years, I have accumulated a room full of guitars that include 3 Gibson Les Pauls and have not spent one dime out of my household money for them. My Les Paul Studio w/P90s was $650 used - and its like brand new. It takes patience and some hard work for those of us not blessed with extra money laying around, but Gibsons are not unattainable by any stretch.
I'm very glad that these guitars were seized. If a musician just wants a cheaper Gibson they can buy an import guitar without the Gibson name. They then get a cheap instrument without the risk of anyone being scammed. The Chinese DO NOT CARE about international law or intellectual property; we have to look after ourselves.
These guitars are known to have dangerous chemicals in the paint or components which means they just aren't especially great to pass on, unless they pay for them to be tested. I watched a RUclips a few years ago where they got someone to do tests on paint and hardware, there was something with the chrome carenogenic unacceptable levels and lead and something in the paint
@@csharp57 what tropical hardwoods come from America? Have you ever built a guitar? I have, and it pains me knowing potentially valuable woods being wasted.
Apparently the felon in chief was correct when he said he could commit murder in broad daylight and maga wouldn't flinch. Constantly making excuses and running cover
The Gov't should give them Back to Gibson, so they could sand their name off and stamp "Counterfeit" on it and Give them to the School kids to learn on.
I have a real 1970s LP Deluxe and I love my China versions just as much. They play better when I fix the fretwork and replace a few parts plus the finish will never crack as it is Poly and the necks are sturdier arguably they have 24 fret LP versions and still offer the no heel neck option unlike Gibson. I have taken them both to Guitar stores and no matter the China or the real Deluxe people are looking and checking things out. They all sound great as well once I am done modding them. All great guitar players swapped tuners, pickups, bridges, pots, switches and everything else until they dialed in the guitar just like they wanted including my Deluxe. Why knock China guitars when I do the same thing for less money and get a better product/tool?
@@evilstalkerhorneyou're right on but fraud/counterfeit are crimes for a reason. As a kid in the 60's I made a "Vox Phantom" teardrop .it was just as bad as a real one.
@@evilstalkerhorne You miss the point of this whole situation entirely. No one is knocking made in China guitars. I have Gibson Les Pauls and I also have made in China guitars - the made in China guitars I have are amazing and I enjoy them as much as I do my Gibsons (although I would never say they are "just as good"). The point is not where they are made, its that they are made with another guitar brands logo. That's copyright theft plain and simple - it has nothing to do with build quality.
What would you rather have happen? A thief grabbing your $6,000.00 Gibson off the stage during your break, or a $200.00 Chibson? Same goes with TSA handlers.
I have both the $6,300 Gibson Custom and the $240 Chibson which looks exactly the same😁, the choice is obvious. If it's stolen, no heartaches, I buy another one. Chibson offcourse!😅
Say what you want but that red widow lookalike with the EMGs and the red inlays is BADASS! Why can't Gibson actually put out something that cool? An SG version of that would have me drooling.
It is an odd grift, I’ll give you that. But I’ll still take over the clowns that have ruined the place over the years. Or the woman who Blew 1.5 billion… pay to play with those who interviewed her and conducted townhalls etc. It was so bad she was unable to do free interviews. And she lost RESOUNDINGLY! Trump will straighten things out, but when I saw this guitar scheme I thought “why?”
Exactly, not cool especially when he could easily be taking millions in kickbacks from China and Ukraine like some other presidential family we all know of. Simply disgraceful.
Trump Guitars: the images Trump signing these guitars are obviously a lame Photoshop fake, just look at the outline of his hands. The page source states, it's a standard Shopify setup while the "data render region" says "gcp-asia-southeast1" ... yea. neither the guitars nor the website have anything to do with Trump himself. Including Gibson going after them, this is an entire setup for some bizarre reason.
They also have a site for the God Bless the USA guitars that is identical and promises a premium version signed by Lee Greenwood who will thereafter be known as Lee Firewood
No, they’re another Trump grift. At least they actually existed, unlike the $100K Trump watches (see the fine print - they may not be delivered. It’s actually a way to do illegal political donations). Get it through your head - Trump is a criminal.
Wow. He really could shoot someone and many would make excuses and cover for him. His hats, tshirts watches and guitars, made in China. Because he can mark up the price and make more profit. He can't do that with American made products. Not enough profit margin. It's always been about money. You just don't want to accept or realize it. Hopefully, you haven't spent your hard earned money on any of it. We average Americans work too hard to get taken advantage of
8:46 “…if we knew exactly where the money was going…” The counterfeit operation we call “government”, which is just another corrupt political state, does not have such accountability as part of its stock in trade. Any integrity it has is due to the personal integrity of the individuals it comprises. There probably are some, or it wouldn’t work at all. But the corruption has been so deeply entrenched, so institutionalized, that “knowing exactly where the money goes” is a fantasy.
It doesn’t really matter if people do know what they’re getting isn’t authentic. It is still infringing on Gibson’s rights. It’s not any different than phony Louis Vuitton bags etc that are being copied. It still isn’t ok. I don’t buy designer nor have any interest, but companies have the right to protect their sales and reputation for quality.
I have a '74 Les Paul Custom in Cherry Sunburst, that I bought at "The Guitar Center" in L.A. in 1974, just 3 years post graduating High School. (approx $560 otd w HSC at that point in time). And if anyone would DARE to insinuate that its not the "Real Thing", I'd be more than happy to send them a picture of my BROKEN HEADSTOCK!!
Agreed! We all hate companies selling very expensive low quality stuff. You really need to buy a Chibby, I have it and it's perfect with the "iconic" overpriced logo.😂
The ad for the guitar never listed anything about specs. No mention of where it was made, what kind of wood was used, what kind of pickups. This was 100% a money grab.
So? You're paying for a collector's item Trump spent his own money and raised his own money to run for president. He also takes no government salary. Why is he not allowed to do this, would you not want to be able to do this if you could?
@matsumoku1 i don't think he, or I, or anyone is saying that Trump selling autographed guitars is inherently illegal (assuming no Gibson copyright infringement). It's just cringe. Most people don't worship politicians the way that some people worship Trump.
I have 2 left handed PRS models, I got before Paul ever offered a lefty model. Completely stripped, and rebuilt with genuine PRS parts. Love both, no plans to sell.
I got an SG chibson, what I did was paint quotation marks around the Gibson logo to mark it as “fake” As if the wonky control layout and the equidistant horns didn’t tip you off
Here’s one issue I have with the Chinese online guitar market. Not every building is there to rip people off. You have to do your homework but every now and then you’ll come across an independent builder who legitimately builds their own creations. For instance, one maker builds their own brand on AliExpress but also builds to order for another brand for the local Philippine market. They’re still cheaper guitars but they’re not rip offs. But they can get harder to find because of all the rip off garbage.
I like the idea of the US government reselling products but I know that brands would charge them 20x what the stuff is worth and they'd pay up without hesitation. It's the same thing the military does with sharpies and soap dispensers and dumb stuff like that because they don't care how much it costs when it's taxpayer money.
Branding them with the Gibson logo is just asking for them to be seized. Maybe they'd have better luck with a "Fibson" logo on the Headstock. Their motto could be "It breaks just like the real thing." 🤭
If Gibson was happy driving an excavator back and forth over their unsold Firebird X, utterly destroying 100s of perfectly fine, new guitars, the seized Chibson knockoffs will meet a similar end after they are used as evidence (then I wonder how many might go missing meanwhile). Perhaps Mike at China Guitar Skeptic would have something to say about all this, but he's moved on.
Aliexpress or some of the big Aliexpress guitar manufaturers have warehouses on the west coast of the US. A lot of guitars on Aliexpress are marked as "in stock in the US warehouse" or somesuch. Chances are they just raided this warehouse.
It seems like a warning shot to the great grifting felon. But maybe it's just a reminder of all the career law enforcement that Tdump will have to fire to have his latest scam be ignored.
Well, yes it's off. Maybe we just have not heard about large siezures happening. More likely, in my opinion, Trump oddly getting into marketing these things (who the F told him that was a good idea, anyway? A democrat mole?) triggered a (politically adversarial person) , setting off an angry call to action over "these counterfeits from overseas", and a call to Gibson to rile up their legal department, specifically because Trump was involved. (foolishly involved. Again, who got him to do this? Couldn't you find someone who knows the industry and approach Gibson for customs, maybe? Or a smaller American company?) . Sorry about the politics in the comment, but if you pay attention for a while, it becomes apparent why some things happen to get prosecuted after being ignored for a long time. In my opinion, that is. Sigh. I was watching guitar stuff to get away from politics a minute.
If trump is even remotely involved, there just has to be some kind of evil conspiracy to target him. Cuz the tangerine messiah would never do that. Would he?
This actually happens often, this is just the biggest one on record. This happens with purses all the time too. I have actually seen customs and fed officers crash a flea market before. They dropped everyone in 4 booths to the floor and took them all out in handcuffs. Then loaded boxes of fake purses onto a truck and off they went. It was crazy.
“The government seized a bunch of Chibsons… speaking of Chibsons, have you heard about the Trump guitars? And while we are upsetting a certain political demographic, have you heard that T. Swift has a special edition guitar?” 😂
You’re only getting scammed if you actually buy a real Gibson. Poor craftsmanship at atrocious prices. Epiphone’s craftsmanship is far better and far more consistent.
Gibson has sent out those threats to everyone from Heritage to PRS. The only time they had success was with Dean and even that got overturned on appeal. The US need to sort out their legal precedent because if the grift guitars are too close despite being less accurate than something like the Heritage guitars then Fender should be able to go after body shapes as well.
I understand that any copy with a Gibson logo fraudulently infringes Gibson's Trade mark, as does the trademarked(?) 'open book' headstock end, but what else of Gibson's LP design, if anything is legally protected? Any patents on the original LP will have long expired, and LP copies seem to be legally sold widely, under other brand names. I don't see that Trump is infringing any Gibson IP. And they look so cheap and awful, no-one would mistake them for a Gibson.
Someone tracked down the actual owner of that Trump guitar company and they claimed to be a "vet owned" company who sourced parts from all over. But a bolt-neck LP copy? I'm not gonna say it's a grift, but damn. Those are Chibsons, pure and simple.
The only reason I'd buy a chibson is as a wall hanger. Sure, I'd plug it in and see how it played, even set it up if it had potential but I'd get something iconic like a greeny or jimmy page just for something to look at.
I live in England and often buy guitars from Germany, since Brexit there's a 20% tariff on the guitars I buy, I pay the 20%, not the Germans ..... be careful with tariffs, it'll be you that pays
$18,000,000 is if they were actual Gibbys, they are not, so it's a fake number. Maybe Gibson should go to China and learn how to make guitars that people can actually afford. Ever think of that?
Absolutely!, and for a fraction of the price.👌 I have a Chibson with a beautiful flame top Cherry burst, I upgraded all the hardware (Alnico V, Klusson Tuners, 500k pots), set up to the minimal action possible and it now plays and sound like a dream, all for $340 (upgrades included). Gibson will charge you $5,000 for a Standard Re-Issue and the Chibson beats it especially in the "tuning" department. $5,000 could buy you 7 or more Chibsons plus all the best gear you need.
It's great that before the crackdown, I've already purchased 2 amazing Chibsons: 1 Buckethead Les Paul with Ebony fretboard, Grover Tuners that looks 99% exactly like the original. Being sold $12,000 on Reverb 2nd hand, got it for just $280. While 1959 HoneyBurst is sold for $8,500 used, but got a really beautiful very similar 1959 burst for just $260.🤭 Thank God I did not get scammed by the overpriced, very expensive "original" one that doesn't stays in tune especially the G-string.😂 Sad to say this- but Chibson's is actually an upgrade for a much lower reasonable price. Same pristine Mahogany wood used.🤘 Chibson FTW!🔥
Chibsons are rubbish that only look good from a distance. They are made with the cheapest wood and the cheapest parts. They will never have any real value because not only are they rubbish, they are also counterfeit. You bought them for $280 and $260 so you way overpaid for them. Try to sell them, you’ll be lucky if you get $50 for them.
@@stuartconway6946 sorry man, I beg to disagree about the "cheapest wood" thing - this is a real story with no BS: i brought it to a professional luthier for full set-up. But In my mind I have this experiment or "prank", that I will never reveal it was a Chibson. The funny thing is before the set-up he actually did not realize its a Chibson, He even said he will be very careful not to ding or scratch it because it's a "Beautiful 1959" from his own words. Only after the set-up he realize it's a Chibson because the parts like "tuners, pots and pick-ups" are not that great - Now I upgraded them all to real Gibson hardwares, so you are right about the "cheapest parts". But the wood and finish, the luthier said it was indeed a premium mahogany and I know it because it's very resonant even if it's played unplugged or acoustically. I also have compared it side by side to a very expensive $8,000 Murphy Lab Sunburst 1959 on the shop. It's about 99% identical - the only difference is the finish (Gibson - Nitro) (Chibson - Polyurethane) and the neck tilt angle of the Gibson is deeper, the Chibson's neck tilt is slightly straight, it's an upgrade to a flawed design and never goes out of tune. - that's what I love the most about it (staying in tune) and the "purist" hate it because the design flaws are necessary to stay true to the original vibe. The lesson is: Chibson's need to be upgraded and full set-up is a must, after that it plays so good, if the luthier does a great fretwork, it will playe even better than the Gibson. I will NEVER sell it, - I used it for jamming, all my friends love it AFTER the set-up especially the Buckethead - the killswitches and the Ebony 24 frets is just spectacular (It's phased out, Gibson wont make them anymore.) - Gladly Chibson still creating one. And I will never ever sell it, - I won't even convince or endorse anybody to "buy a Chibson". It's a personal trade "Secret." - A great value for a fraction of the price only for "personal use."🔥 Apologies for the long post mate, I wrote it to clear the confusion and misinformation so that others might read and know the FACTS coming from a very satisfied and happy Chibson owner. - FULL Set-Up and upgrade is Key! Cheers.✌
@trevor4533 let's break it down. Les Paul Studios were under $1000, Standards were $1600-1800 and Custom were about $2500. We all know the pricing now is completely ridiculous, stock Customs well into $5000-8000. I have a 95 standard Goldtop and a 96 Custom.
@@tigermike74 Sorry, but your figures must be from a very long time ago. Even 5 years ago in 2019, which is still pre pandemic greed/inflation. Studios listed for $1199-1699. Standards listed for $2499-3399 Stock Custom $4699 '68 LP Custom reissue $5799 '57 LP Custom reissue $6699 Today: Gibson Les Paul Studio $1599-1999 Gibson Les Paul Standard $2299-3199 Stock Custom $5499 '68 LP Custom reissue $6199 '57 LP Custom reissue $6899
You aren't very bright, are you. Biden's tariffs against China are still in place, If you understood anything about business and politics, you would understand that a U.S. President proposing tariffs is a bargaining chip. But you are an NPC who probably voted for the drunk Harris.
It's just like drugs, they wouldn't be shipping them in, if people weren't buying them. I have played many well setup chibsons, with good pickups swapped in and they are fantastic guitars, they far better than Epiphones and there is not 4-6k difference between a Gibson.
Indeed sir well said! Unlike drugs, I have never heard of a guitar causing someone to overdose no matter how badly it was played or manufactured. This is rich people not wanting other people with less money to have something only they the wealthy can own. Sorry US citizens who bought guitars we stole your Christmas presents!
Here's what is sad about the whole thing. I have never owned one, but I have seen plenty of videos on them where buyers claim that they are decent if not even really good especially for the money - but the manufacturers wont put their own name on them because they wont sell without the Gibson, Fender, PRS, etc. logo on them. And whats even more ironic is that a lot of people refuse to buy an off-brand made in China budget guitar, but if the Chinese factory puts the Gibson name on the same guitar, those same people will buy it.
Generally, when buying Chinese made guitars, you have the option of what you want on the headstock, most people want Gibson, if you ask fr something different, they'll do that too...
@@MickH60 I asked changes for a recent listing on Aliexpress and they said no to literally everything I asked unfortunately. Seems it's just a build, sell, and ship level of service for some sellers on Aliexpress. Probably all made to order and has nothing to do with them as far as changes go?
I will put whatever logo I want on my guitars. It is my guitar, if I like Gibson Les Paul I am putting it the fuck on! Gibson has no issue with Slash playing a replica did they? Nope... in fact the are now cloning it and selling their own version for thousands each. Slash is very careful when asked which he likes better. He knows his replica is and will not lie and say it is the same or Gibson made it even better.
@@evilstalkerhorne That's a tired argument - Slash's guitar was made in the USA by one of the best luthiers in the world. It was not mass produced by a Chinese manufacturer. His guitar was a one-off specifically for Slash that eventually became part of the Gibson line through the normal process of business. Dont think for one second that Gibson wasnt involved (or at the very least aware) along the way - just because they didnt build it doesnt mean they were blind to the situation. Your argument is apples to oranges and the same tired, boring argument that all the supporters of stolen copyrights make. I hope you never have the experience of going through the process of getting something patented and to market, only to find that your work, dedication, sweat and investment is copied by a manufacturer in China as a junk knock-off for less than half the price. I am not opposed to Chinese made guitars, I have a few - I am opposed to putting someone else's logo on it - but you do you.
I don’t think we can sell enough USA guitars to make any meaningful dent in our $36+ trillion, but at least your idea would benefit the people and not just one person/one company.
About half a decade ago I ordered one that supposedly had a different logo on the headstock. It was seized and I was sent another, which has the full Gibson logo. 😂
@@dan197573 The last 20 presidents didn't profit while they were in office. Book deals, speaking engagements, etc. are popular AFTER they leave office. Trump made millions while he was in office last time and he's already hawking everything from watches to Bibles to knives, sneakers, guitars, etc..weeks before he returns. Do you think it's all going to stop by January?
He worked on behalf of the country for a whopping $1 all four years. Clinton and Obama increased their net worth over 500% during their terms. Go figure
@@dan197573 They didn't profit while they were still in office.... they profited after. Trump profited before, during and after last time and he's obviously planning to do it all again.
I have a Chibson hollow body. Ordered it right from DHGate. I put "chibson" under the bottom fret with my punch kit thing. Whats also bad is the bullshit Mosrite guitars coming in. A real Venture model can be $2k and up. These things coming in are crap and are being sold as real.
Knowing you told us to keep it light, Trogly, I still have this to say. I would much more quickly purchase a Chibson over anything with the name of one who was never the president of anything and is a danger to himself. Signature editions are a big-enkugh boodoggle anyway, but a Trump guitar? I doubt it would even make decent firewood.
In which Asian country are those Trump guitars made? I "wonder" if he imposes high import tariffs on that country too. Also, the MAGA guitars made in Asia and sold for an outrageous price b/c of his stenciled autograph? Makes sense 😁
I really don't understand people bagging on Gibson for protecting their intellectual property. I don't know of any business that would be okay with getting openly ripped off because people are counterfeiting their products or stealing and making money off of their original design concepts.
How is a guitar body shape an intellectual property? Not trying to be snarky, but I don't see that. Intellectual property might cover the pickups and circuitry.
Because it was intellectualy thought of and designed by gibson workers. McCarty. Therefore it's gibson property. Try making some of your favorite sports team memorabilia and see how fast they hit with with a cease and desist. People don't like gibson, mostly, because they can't afford them. Boo hoo!!! More than like all of your heroes play them or play them at some point
So do you use alternating electricity or a AC motor of any kind? If so you like the billions of other people in the world owe the Tesla estate for ripping off his intellectual property. Tesla never got even half the $$ he should have earned and died broke. Same thing we have at Gibson rich guys can do what they want poor cannot have the same shit. You cannot afford a lawyer or a patent well then, you are going to be ripped off.
Imagine being able to kill to pick and choose and grab a few of these sweet pieces for free...oh wait, that's what these Customs officials' neices and nephews will be getting for Christmas🌲
Yeah, most of that lineup are OBVIOUSLY fake to even the most casual observer, despite myriad RUclipsrs saying over the years that "Its sooooo hard to spot a fake Gibson!!!" Puh-huh-leeze!
I truly loathe any ' celebrity endorsed' product. WTF? They don't have enough money? And yes I love Yngwie, Trump, Slayer and Metallica and I'd never buy a wine, cigar strings or even a frozen meal endorsed buy them either.
Hey now! The Trump Paul guitar is proudly assembled in Texas by a vet! Now, whether the vet is a veteran of the North Korean or Russian army or not remains to be seen. They might even just be a veterinarian, we don't actually know for sure
The "World Renowned Luthier" is some seven year old Chinese or Korean kid and they just couldn't pronounce his name or figure out how to spell it most likely
This is such bs they sell for around 250 and are not sold as real gibsons and it’s great alternative for people who can’t afford the ones made here or at least supposedly made here because most companies send our stuff to China to get made and our Mexico Gibson‘s customer service is horrible as well as fenders. I’m very happy with my purchases after having to sell my originalbecause of his great economy and I will be buying more. Maybe Gibson and fender should take lessons on how to make a good instrument of affordable and on how to treat their customers.
This is so stupid. I’ll buy a knockoff long before I’ll pay 10,000 for the real thing. Material cost is probably 100 bucks on these things, it’s absolutely disgusting
So, go buy yourself $100 with of wood and wire and make a Les Paul Custom. It takes zero skill or time. You udon't even need specialty tools... just use a hammer and a screwdriver.
you are absolutely right!. The mahogany body wood is the same material that both Gibson and Chibson are made of. Maybe it's around $100 to $150. The only difference is the hardwares like pickups, tuners and bridge which is the only Gibson advantage. The finished guitar should should only cost around $200 to $250 yet Gibson is like ripping off your hard earned money by selling it to you at an overpriced rate: $4,000+ on "Standard" models, $5,000 to $8,000 on "Custom" and $7,000 to $20,000 on Custom Shop, re-issue's and Murphy Labs.😂 That's why it's way better to go directly to the Chibson "factory", they will give you the fair price.🤭
If these "fake" Gibsons are SO close to the original as to not be easily identified, and less than 10% of the cost of an authentic Gibson, makes me wonder if Gibson might get caught having those precious guitars actually being made in China?????
I like chibsins for practice in painting and other modification techniques. Also being a left handed player (due to a physical disability so no I can’t just play right handed) Gibson makes like a jokingly small amount of left handed guitars and suprise suprise the fakes often do have left handed versions.
4:20 yeah even when they are made by a different company overseas they snap, lol it's not a Gibson video if theres not at least 1 headstock getting snapped
The difference between Swift and Trump, most guitar companies probably wouldn't want to offend other customers. Plus if they sold Trump guitars, it is likey their factory or store would be targeted for vandalism or burned down by the unhinged........
A copy and a forgery are not the same thing. When I lived in San Diego in the 80' I was teased by friends for driving a '61 Coupe de Ville and playing a '58 Martin. I answered "I didn't come all the way to California to drive a Toyota and play a Takamine".
@gregputman yep...Christian F. Martin, Orville Gibson, Epaminondas Stathopoulos, Fred Gretsch, Torakusu Yamaha, Salvador Ibanez, Adolph Rickenbacker, Leo Fender, Grover Jackson, Wayne Charvel, Bob Taylor, Dean Zelinsky, Paul Reed Smith... So, Ovation and ???
Some crazy things have been happening in the Guitar World this week!
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Where are the Trump guitars?
Yes....so it seems .... Do you know what they call Thanksgiving in Belgium? Thursday (Donderdag)....LOL ...😊....Happy Thanksgiving to you, Austin....and to everyone one else as well..!!!!👍
I had a bucket head made and it's pretty nice. Got made in USA and Gibson logo
The one with the broken headstock might actually be an authentic Gibson.
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LOL, Funny
@@hkguitar1984 HK!! Happy holidays bud! Been a bit, hope alls well!
I would assume that Chibsons would have scarf joints. That would make them stronger.
@Relayer6a ...hey, you got the joke, huh?
We can find 3000 guitars but not 50 tons of fentanyl ?
@@faustinreeder1075 The Government doesn't need to look for Fentanyl... They know where it is and where it's going... But that will change in January.
3000 guitars, they seem to cry. My ears will melt, and then my eyes.
Trump guitars are made in China
@@faustinreeder1075 I guess RUclips deleted my comment... Geez... Can't tell the truth on here... The Gov knows where it's at and where it's going... That will change next year.
The fentanyl doesn't have the Gibson logo on it
They should be Marked as Counterfeit... Then donated to under privileged children that want to learn to play guitar.👍
Yes, wasted opportunity.
@@huangss00 Or better yet don't alter the guitars at all and give to the US Citizens who paid to have made and shipped to them. Ever not get your shit in the mail because someone stole your box? That is what they just did to 3000 people. Great job! No need to get the hoodie out customs did it before it was even dropped off on the porch. Another shining example of the "haves" not allowing the "have nots" to enjoy the benefits they do. Don't buy the story they are presenting here, this is people who cannot afford real Gibson not getting a guitar because rich people say no.
It's always a risk with anything fron China that they have parts that don't meet safety regulations. I mean, they are guitars but theres always a more than 0 chance they have lead paint or something.
@@dcflake5645 Or radioactive waste
Then they sell them as real gibsons?
Or do they do something to spoil them first?
I’ve seen a joke going around, the guitar with the broken headstock sitting against the wall is the most accurate Gibson copy of them all.
They were headed for the USA warehouse.
Instead of shipping each guitar from China direct to each customer in the USA, the Chinese company secures a warehouse in the USA then sends a bulk shipment from China to that warehouse to get the cost of shipping (per item) down very low.
Then, when an American customer buys the guitar it is sent from that warehouse in the USA to the customer in the USA.
I work in electronics and this system is very common with Chinese manufacturers.
I believe it's called drop-shipping and many individual entrepreneurs do it too.
@@littlefury drop-shipping is a different thing. Drop shipping is when you buy from a store, and the store buys your item from another supplier and this tier2 supplier ships it directly to the end customer. The shop is never touching the product.
This strikes me as odd, bc China has some crazy low shipping prices to the US through some agreement. So when they ship a guitar from China to someone’s house in the US, it might only cost them $10-20; whereas shipping within the US can be $60-160 depending how far it’s going.
That said, I think you’re still right. These guitars were likely being sent to a US warehouse, to set up a distribution network within the US, as people trust US based sellers over ordering from overseas directly.
I also wonder if fear of high tariffs on imported goods caused them to ship as many to the US as possible before Jan 20, to avoid tariffs that would raise the cost for the customer, and they could lose sales. Could make sense.
@potul
I concur.
I believe _this_ is simply referred to as "warehousing."
@@stephen3164 it is a common system now for these companies to have localised warehousing.
Much of the stuff that I buy from Chinese sellers comes from local warehousing, not directly from China
If people want a more affordable Les Paul, they should buy an Epiphone.
Trump guitars sound best through Orange amps.
Stolen
@@ooferrell yep, stolen...fer shame!😂
@@ooferrell ha ha ha but the likes keep piling up - whatever it takes for attention and acceptance jfC!
😆 🤣 😂 😹 😆 🤣 😂
Orange amp bad
The main reason why people buy these is because who can actually afford the American ones?
so they become smugglers as they always have.
@@mpirron1 I have never known anyone to die from playing guitar too loud or often though.
@@evilstalkerhorne why anyone gotta die? Its just importing a counterfeit guitar. I don't even consider it a crime. I'm not DHS or Gibson though, nor a Nazi
Yeah, sorry. That's not a good argument either. I bought myself a $50 Squier Strat 5 years ago and taught myself tech skills and learned how to buy, sell, and service guitars. Over the last 4 years, I have accumulated a room full of guitars that include 3 Gibson Les Pauls and have not spent one dime out of my household money for them. My Les Paul Studio w/P90s was $650 used - and its like brand new. It takes patience and some hard work for those of us not blessed with extra money laying around, but Gibsons are not unattainable by any stretch.
@@joecoach7268nope, but still a rip-off
I'm very glad that these guitars were seized. If a musician just wants a cheaper Gibson they can buy an import guitar without the Gibson name. They then get a cheap instrument without the risk of anyone being scammed. The Chinese DO NOT CARE about international law or intellectual property; we have to look after ourselves.
Word is Gibson set to sue Les Paul posthumously for using a name they own the rights to🏴☠️
Anecdotally, I see a LOT of Chibsons in the pawn shops around my area, usually at 3 or $400 and they'll tell you it's not real..
it's still illegal to resell a counterfeit . Disclosure or not.
I find them in pawn shops around Nashville quite a bit. Most of them priced as authentic until they are told otherwise.
$300 or $400 is WAY too expensive for a used Chibson.
Then whoever buys them can immediately sell them as authentic on reverb
All counterfeit should be embossed with a fake stamp on the headstock if you want to sell it’s legit
What a waste, I know it’s not right selling knock offs but that is a waste of resources to destroy them.
These guitars are known to have dangerous chemicals in the paint or components which means they just aren't especially great to pass on, unless they pay for them to be tested. I watched a RUclips a few years ago where they got someone to do tests on paint and hardware, there was something with the chrome carenogenic unacceptable levels and lead and something in the paint
Knock offs are fine, counterfeits aren't cool.
Those resources didn’t come from America so who cares. Also, did you miss the part where some of the materials could be harmful? Did ya not listen?
Glad they are all being destroyed and people buying them should be ashamed
@@csharp57 what tropical hardwoods come from America? Have you ever built a guitar? I have, and it pains me knowing potentially valuable woods being wasted.
No one pointing out that he's signing it with a pen? That's a terrible photoshop. Those pictures exist without the guitars.
His fanatical supporters are some of the most gullible people on this country
They don’t care.
And it's the same picture for both guitars...
Darn it, I did more research, nothing is to scamy for the Donald.
Counterfeit guitars? Photoshop'd images? The is definitely a certified Trump money grab lol
Apparently the felon in chief was correct when he said he could commit murder in broad daylight and maga wouldn't flinch. Constantly making excuses and running cover
The Gov't should give them Back to Gibson, so they could sand their name off and stamp "Counterfeit" on it and Give them to the School kids to learn on.
Haha, you're hilarious.
I love it.
That's a terrible idea.
You beat me to it... I agree 👍
@@ChrisShortyAllen why? their all gonna be trashed anyway. Give it to the kids. if They're marked and delabled there's no worth.
I think this is disgusting. Chibson is an iconic guitar brand favoured by many great musicians.
I have a real 1970s LP Deluxe and I love my China versions just as much. They play better when I fix the fretwork and replace a few parts plus the finish will never crack as it is Poly and the necks are sturdier arguably they have 24 fret LP versions and still offer the no heel neck option unlike Gibson. I have taken them both to Guitar stores and no matter the China or the real Deluxe people are looking and checking things out. They all sound great as well once I am done modding them. All great guitar players swapped tuners, pickups, bridges, pots, switches and everything else until they dialed in the guitar just like they wanted including my Deluxe. Why knock China guitars when I do the same thing for less money and get a better product/tool?
Yea, players like Chimmy Paij, Jeck Beff, and.....me
@@evilstalkerhorneyou're right on but fraud/counterfeit are crimes for a reason.
As a kid in the 60's I made a "Vox Phantom" teardrop .it was just as bad as a real one.
@@evilstalkerhorne You miss the point of this whole situation entirely. No one is knocking made in China guitars. I have Gibson Les Pauls and I also have made in China guitars - the made in China guitars I have are amazing and I enjoy them as much as I do my Gibsons (although I would never say they are "just as good"). The point is not where they are made, its that they are made with another guitar brands logo. That's copyright theft plain and simple - it has nothing to do with build quality.
@@evilstalkerhorne problem is trump is selling those cheap china gibsons for 11k each
My Chibson just went up in value!
Yee-haw!
I love my Chibson Les Pile.
The Trump guitars are made from 100% Griftwood
Nice one 😂
Who cares? They are not being purchased by players.. they will mostly be wall hangers in supporters homes.
@@Podcastforthewinwell Donny did say he had a soft spot for people like you
@Podcastforthewin LMAO! Aaaarippy-too ah!
@@Podcastforthewin Nope, the uneducated.
trogly is the type of guy to sit in the extra chair at the hotels
um... wut?
Riding the spectrum...
Ur the type of person that cared about pronouns
Well, thats ruined Christmas for a whole bunch of people!
As a lefty I have no problem with Chibsons, virtually non of them are offered lefty by Gibson
What would you rather have happen? A thief grabbing your $6,000.00 Gibson off the stage during your break, or a $200.00 Chibson? Same goes with TSA handlers.
I have both the $6,300 Gibson Custom and the $240 Chibson which looks exactly the same😁, the choice is obvious. If it's stolen, no heartaches, I buy another one. Chibson offcourse!😅
Say what you want but that red widow lookalike with the EMGs and the red inlays is BADASS! Why can't Gibson actually put out something that cool? An SG version of that would have me drooling.
Christ, how pathetic do you have to be as a country when your president has his own grift shop.
Trump wasn't going to profit from any of that shit anyway, it wasn't his enterprise to begin with.
It's what he's always done. Why change a habit of a lifetime?
@mrpositronia you think it's critique on Von ShitzInPants?
It is an odd grift, I’ll give you that. But I’ll still take over the clowns that have ruined the place over the years. Or the woman who Blew 1.5 billion… pay to play with those who interviewed her and conducted townhalls etc. It was so bad she was unable to do free interviews. And she lost RESOUNDINGLY!
Trump will straighten things out, but when I saw this guitar scheme I thought “why?”
Exactly, not cool especially when he could easily be taking millions in kickbacks from China and Ukraine like some other presidential family we all know of. Simply disgraceful.
Trump Guitars: the images Trump signing these guitars are obviously a lame Photoshop fake, just look at the outline of his hands. The page source states, it's a standard Shopify setup while the "data render region" says "gcp-asia-southeast1" ... yea. neither the guitars nor the website have anything to do with Trump himself. Including Gibson going after them, this is an entire setup for some bizarre reason.
They also have a site for the God Bless the USA guitars that is identical and promises a premium version signed by Lee Greenwood who will thereafter be known as Lee Firewood
Agreed on the Photoshop'd hands. Trump's hands in real life are way, way smaller.
No, they’re another Trump grift. At least they actually existed, unlike the $100K Trump watches (see the fine print - they may not be delivered. It’s actually a way to do illegal political donations). Get it through your head - Trump is a criminal.
Wow. He really could shoot someone and many would make excuses and cover for him. His hats, tshirts watches and guitars, made in China. Because he can mark up the price and make more profit. He can't do that with American made products. Not enough profit margin. It's always been about money. You just don't want to accept or realize it. Hopefully, you haven't spent your hard earned money on any of it. We average Americans work too hard to get taken advantage of
I also found a lot of guitars with headstocks like that of AliBaba, the US Flag and Eagle artwork looks AI generated, etc.
8:46 “…if we knew exactly where the money was going…” The counterfeit operation we call “government”, which is just another corrupt political state, does not have such accountability as part of its stock in trade. Any integrity it has is due to the personal integrity of the individuals it comprises. There probably are some, or it wouldn’t work at all. But the corruption has been so deeply entrenched, so institutionalized, that “knowing exactly where the money goes” is a fantasy.
A friend bought a Chibson J-200 and within a month the neck was bowed AND twisted beyond repair. The wood wasn't seasoned at all but wet.
It doesn’t really matter if people do know what they’re getting isn’t authentic. It is still infringing on Gibson’s rights. It’s not any different than phony Louis Vuitton bags etc that are being copied. It still isn’t ok. I don’t buy designer nor have any interest, but companies have the right to protect their sales and reputation for quality.
I have a '74 Les Paul Custom in Cherry Sunburst, that I bought at "The Guitar Center" in L.A. in 1974, just 3 years post graduating High School. (approx $560 otd w HSC at that point in time).
And if anyone would DARE to insinuate that its not the "Real Thing", I'd be more than happy to send them a picture of my BROKEN HEADSTOCK!!
The trump les paul ,l think comes with a big mac,medium fry and a diet coke as well
Sounds like a decent order to me.
And huge riffs ringing with freedom
And Jim Diet DeCocaCola will personally sign the Coke can
@@sethgross3904 Bigly riffs
i think it comes with the white house, the senate, the house, and the supreme court for the next 20 years, as well 😉
I hate Gibson so much that I want to own a fake one, but, I need it to say "Gibson" on the headstock, because, you know, Gibson sucks!
Agreed! We all hate companies selling very expensive low quality stuff. You really need to buy a Chibby, I have it and it's perfect with the "iconic" overpriced logo.😂
The ad for the guitar never listed anything about specs. No mention of where it was made, what kind of wood was used, what kind of pickups. This was 100% a money grab.
So? You're paying for a collector's item Trump spent his own money and raised his own money to run for president. He also takes no government salary. Why is he not allowed to do this, would you not want to be able to do this if you could?
Ethics? Honesty? Morals?
@matsumoku1 i don't think he, or I, or anyone is saying that Trump selling autographed guitars is inherently illegal (assuming no Gibson copyright infringement). It's just cringe. Most people don't worship politicians the way that some people worship Trump.
@@erichathaway4783yes they do but the u are talking about that so call don't worship politics...worship pronouns and blue hair
@@matsumoku1exactly people are such hypocrites
Glad this was the topic tonight, I’d gladly seize that black custom with the EMGs 😩😂
Problem is, the EMGs aren't even real EMGs.
@@joecoach7268Exactly they use passive pickups that are terrible with a fake cover over the tops.
@@joecoach7268 Who cares? For $200 bucks at Sweetwater or Musicians Friend I will buy and install some Zakk Wilde real EMGs!
I have 2 left handed PRS models, I got before Paul ever offered a lefty model. Completely stripped, and rebuilt with genuine PRS parts. Love both, no plans to sell.
At one time the PRS SE's were not available lefty, and they were being built in factories that made lefty PRS "copies" for other companies
In an unrelated news report Gibson states they have lost a large shipment of custom shop guitars
I got an SG chibson, what I did was paint quotation marks around the Gibson logo to mark it as “fake”
As if the wonky control layout and the equidistant horns didn’t tip you off
Like you stated anyone can tell if they are in the market for the real deal. If they cannot tell someone else will do it for them.
@ it’s mostly to tell people who kept saying my guitar is a fake “yeah, I know, refer to headstock”
The thing is covered in stickers anyhow.
Clever! 😁
I would wager that Trump has NEVER actually picked up a guitar.
I doubt he's ever opened a bible, if there's money to be had
@@UphillGardener-ly5sh who cares, he's the leader of the world now
Maybe out of curiosity. Or maybe, like a ton of dudes, he gave it a shot in college one time.
@@HiredGoonage
But can he play Stranglehold?
During campaign, he made a point about the popularity of Elvis, his having a guitar, and he didn't
Here’s one issue I have with the Chinese online guitar market. Not every building is there to rip people off. You have to do your homework but every now and then you’ll come across an independent builder who legitimately builds their own creations. For instance, one maker builds their own brand on AliExpress but also builds to order for another brand for the local Philippine market. They’re still cheaper guitars but they’re not rip offs. But they can get harder to find because of all the rip off garbage.
The irony of selling cheap Chinese made guitars at a extreme price, to the America first MAGA folks.
I bought 3 of 'em.
I like the idea of the US government reselling products but I know that brands would charge them 20x what the stuff is worth and they'd pay up without hesitation. It's the same thing the military does with sharpies and soap dispensers and dumb stuff like that because they don't care how much it costs when it's taxpayer money.
Branding them with the Gibson logo is just asking for them to be seized. Maybe they'd have better luck with a "Fibson" logo on the Headstock. Their motto could be "It breaks just like the real thing." 🤭
I like the name "Gibsan"
If Gibson was happy driving an excavator back and forth over their unsold Firebird X, utterly destroying 100s of perfectly fine, new guitars, the seized Chibson knockoffs will meet a similar end after they are used as evidence (then I wonder how many might go missing meanwhile). Perhaps Mike at China Guitar Skeptic would have something to say about all this, but he's moved on.
“Is this some kind of bust?!”
👀👀👀 “Well, yes … it’s very impressive … … … but we need to ask you a few questions.”
A Naked Gun reference? Surely you cant be serious....?
@@dbus1635 no, that was Airplane...
Aliexpress or some of the big Aliexpress guitar manufaturers have warehouses on the west coast of the US. A lot of guitars on Aliexpress are marked as "in stock in the US warehouse" or somesuch. Chances are they just raided this warehouse.
99.9% sure those EMG's are fake too.
You will never pay down the national debt with this idea. You can't pay for debt with a debt system. Don't you realize that there is no real money?
Chibsons , the new collectable ,their value will skyrocket .
Funny how Chibsons have been coming into the US for many, many years and they decided now was the time to "crack down". Seems suspect to me.
It seems like a warning shot to the great grifting felon. But maybe it's just a reminder of all the career law enforcement that Tdump will have to fire to have his latest scam be ignored.
Well, yes it's off. Maybe we just have not heard about large siezures happening. More likely, in my opinion, Trump oddly getting into marketing these things (who the F told him that was a good idea, anyway? A democrat mole?) triggered a (politically adversarial person) , setting off an angry call to action over "these counterfeits from overseas", and a call to Gibson to rile up their legal department, specifically because Trump was involved. (foolishly involved. Again, who got him to do this? Couldn't you find someone who knows the industry and approach Gibson for customs, maybe? Or a smaller American company?) . Sorry about the politics in the comment, but if you pay attention for a while, it becomes apparent why some things happen to get prosecuted after being ignored for a long time. In my opinion, that is. Sigh. I was watching guitar stuff to get away from politics a minute.
Umm ....these Customs seizure fests happen every now and then.
If trump is even remotely involved, there just has to be some kind of evil conspiracy to target him. Cuz the tangerine messiah would never do that. Would he?
This actually happens often, this is just the biggest one on record. This happens with purses all the time too. I have actually seen customs and fed officers crash a flea market before. They dropped everyone in 4 booths to the floor and took them all out in handcuffs. Then loaded boxes of fake purses onto a truck and off they went. It was crazy.
“The government seized a bunch of Chibsons… speaking of Chibsons, have you heard about the Trump guitars? And while we are upsetting a certain political demographic, have you heard that T. Swift has a special edition guitar?” 😂
You’re only getting scammed if you actually buy a real Gibson. Poor craftsmanship at atrocious prices. Epiphone’s craftsmanship is far better and far more consistent.
God bless the Pac-Rim.
Gibson has sent out those threats to everyone from Heritage to PRS. The only time they had success was with Dean and even that got overturned on appeal. The US need to sort out their legal precedent because if the grift guitars are too close despite being less accurate than something like the Heritage guitars then Fender should be able to go after body shapes as well.
I understand that any copy with a Gibson logo fraudulently infringes Gibson's Trade mark, as does the trademarked(?) 'open book' headstock end, but what else of Gibson's LP design, if anything is legally protected? Any patents on the original LP will have long expired, and LP copies seem to be legally sold widely, under other brand names.
I don't see that Trump is infringing any Gibson IP. And they look so cheap and awful, no-one would mistake them for a Gibson.
Someone tracked down the actual owner of that Trump guitar company and they claimed to be a "vet owned" company who sourced parts from all over. But a bolt-neck LP copy? I'm not gonna say it's a grift, but damn. Those are Chibsons, pure and simple.
My China guitars are neck thru and once I fret leveled and replaced soft metal parts work great!
The only reason I'd buy a chibson is as a wall hanger. Sure, I'd plug it in and see how it played, even set it up if it had potential but I'd get something iconic like a greeny or jimmy page just for something to look at.
Ironic: U.s.a put down chibson while Trump sells overpriced Chinesse guitars to make america great again 😂😂😂😂
Which will ultimately be affected by his planned tariffs that he claims are there to discourage importing Chinese goods. lol
America the stupid has spoken
I live in England and often buy guitars from Germany, since Brexit there's a 20% tariff on the guitars I buy, I pay the 20%, not the Germans ..... be careful with tariffs, it'll be you that pays
Ironic because they're made in Korea...😂
😂😂😂😂😂
$18,000,000 is if they were actual Gibbys, they are not, so it's a fake number. Maybe Gibson should go to China and learn how to make guitars that people can actually afford. Ever think of that?
I can afford Gibson guitars. Lots of people can.
@SundaySolos lots of people can't... that's why trump won 😆. We get it, your better than 75% of the world. Congratulations
Unfortunately, the Chibsons are probably of much better quality than the originals. Gibson's downward spiral in quality is truly sad.
Absolutely!, and for a fraction of the price.👌 I have a Chibson with a beautiful flame top Cherry burst, I upgraded all the hardware (Alnico V, Klusson Tuners, 500k pots), set up to the minimal action possible and it now plays and sound like a dream, all for $340 (upgrades included). Gibson will charge you $5,000 for a Standard Re-Issue and the Chibson beats it especially in the "tuning" department. $5,000 could buy you 7 or more Chibsons plus all the best gear you need.
These things are intended to pay down debt because ya know, lawyers ain't cheap.
It's great that before the crackdown, I've already purchased 2 amazing Chibsons: 1 Buckethead Les Paul with Ebony fretboard, Grover Tuners that looks 99% exactly like the original. Being sold $12,000 on Reverb 2nd hand, got it for just $280. While 1959 HoneyBurst is sold for $8,500 used, but got a really beautiful very similar 1959 burst for just $260.🤭 Thank God I did not get scammed by the overpriced, very expensive "original" one that doesn't stays in tune especially the G-string.😂 Sad to say this- but Chibson's is actually an upgrade for a much lower reasonable price. Same pristine Mahogany wood used.🤘 Chibson FTW!🔥
Chibsons are rubbish that only look good from a distance. They are made with the cheapest wood and the cheapest parts. They will never have any real value because not only are they rubbish, they are also counterfeit. You bought them for $280 and $260 so you way overpaid for them. Try to sell them, you’ll be lucky if you get $50 for them.
@@stuartconway6946 sorry man, I beg to disagree about the "cheapest wood" thing - this is a real story with no BS: i brought it to a professional luthier for full set-up. But In my mind I have this experiment or "prank", that I will never reveal it was a Chibson. The funny thing is before the set-up he actually did not realize its a Chibson, He even said he will be very careful not to ding or scratch it because it's a "Beautiful 1959" from his own words. Only after the set-up he realize it's a Chibson because the parts like "tuners, pots and pick-ups" are not that great - Now I upgraded them all to real Gibson hardwares, so you are right about the "cheapest parts". But the wood and finish, the luthier said it was indeed a premium mahogany and I know it because it's very resonant even if it's played unplugged or acoustically. I also have compared it side by side to a very expensive $8,000 Murphy Lab Sunburst 1959 on the shop. It's about 99% identical - the only difference is the finish (Gibson - Nitro) (Chibson - Polyurethane) and the neck tilt angle of the Gibson is deeper, the Chibson's neck tilt is slightly straight, it's an upgrade to a flawed design and never goes out of tune. - that's what I love the most about it (staying in tune) and the "purist" hate it because the design flaws are necessary to stay true to the original vibe.
The lesson is: Chibson's need to be upgraded and full set-up is a must, after that it plays so good, if the luthier does a great fretwork, it will playe even better than the Gibson. I will NEVER sell it, - I used it for jamming, all my friends love it AFTER the set-up especially the Buckethead - the killswitches and the Ebony 24 frets is just spectacular (It's phased out, Gibson wont make them anymore.) - Gladly Chibson still creating one. And I will never ever sell it, - I won't even convince or endorse anybody to "buy a Chibson". It's a personal trade "Secret." - A great value for a fraction of the price only for "personal use."🔥
Apologies for the long post mate, I wrote it to clear the confusion and misinformation so that others might read and know the FACTS coming from a very satisfied and happy Chibson owner. - FULL Set-Up and upgrade is Key! Cheers.✌
And Gibson robbing users by charging $8000+ for a guitar that cost $2300 just a few years ago.
What guitar does Gibson currently sell for $8k+ that was only $2300 just a few years ago?
@trevor4533 let's break it down. Les Paul Studios were under $1000, Standards were $1600-1800 and Custom were about $2500. We all know the pricing now is completely ridiculous, stock Customs well into $5000-8000. I have a 95 standard Goldtop and a 96 Custom.
@@tigermike74 Sorry, but your figures must be from a very long time ago.
Even 5 years ago in 2019, which is still pre pandemic greed/inflation.
Studios listed for $1199-1699.
Standards listed for $2499-3399
Stock Custom $4699
'68 LP Custom reissue $5799
'57 LP Custom reissue $6699
Today:
Gibson Les Paul Studio $1599-1999
Gibson Les Paul Standard $2299-3199
Stock Custom $5499
'68 LP Custom reissue $6199
'57 LP Custom reissue $6899
For a BILLIONAIRE he sure puts his name on some cheesy stuff.
paying an extra 10k on a couple hundred dollar china made guitar already selling for 1500, just for trumps autograph is complete bs..
I've got 6 of em, better than ANY epi and a quarter the price
The snapped neck is the relics line of Gibsons custom shop. $10000.
What planet were we teleported to?
The funniest shit ever is watching Trump fans talk about how "woke" and "Liberal" Gibson is and how much "TDS" they have in these comment sections.
It's endlessly fascinating to watch the United States of America's most Conservative company by a wide margin fall victim to the Great American Culture War©®™
You aren't very bright, are you. Biden's tariffs against China are still in place, If you understood anything about business and politics, you would understand that a U.S. President proposing tariffs is a bargaining chip. But you are an NPC who probably voted for the drunk Harris.
Your so woke most have no idea what u just said, but I can tell you meant it 😬
There is nothing illegal about AliExpress forgeries, but it is illegal to sell them in the US. You can get them, but never sell them.
It's just like drugs, they wouldn't be shipping them in, if people weren't buying them. I have played many well setup chibsons, with good pickups swapped in and they are fantastic guitars, they far better than Epiphones and there is not 4-6k difference between a Gibson.
Indeed sir well said! Unlike drugs, I have never heard of a guitar causing someone to overdose no matter how badly it was played or manufactured. This is rich people not wanting other people with less money to have something only they the wealthy can own. Sorry US citizens who bought guitars we stole your Christmas presents!
But at least Trump guitars don't have Gibson on there.
Here's what is sad about the whole thing. I have never owned one, but I have seen plenty of videos on them where buyers claim that they are decent if not even really good especially for the money - but the manufacturers wont put their own name on them because they wont sell without the Gibson, Fender, PRS, etc. logo on them. And whats even more ironic is that a lot of people refuse to buy an off-brand made in China budget guitar, but if the Chinese factory puts the Gibson name on the same guitar, those same people will buy it.
Generally, when buying Chinese made guitars, you have the option of what you want on the headstock, most people want Gibson, if you ask fr something different, they'll do that too...
@@MickH60 I asked changes for a recent listing on Aliexpress and they said no to literally everything I asked unfortunately. Seems it's just a build, sell, and ship level of service for some sellers on Aliexpress. Probably all made to order and has nothing to do with them as far as changes go?
I will put whatever logo I want on my guitars. It is my guitar, if I like Gibson Les Paul I am putting it the fuck on! Gibson has no issue with Slash playing a replica did they? Nope... in fact the are now cloning it and selling their own version for thousands each. Slash is very careful when asked which he likes better. He knows his replica is and will not lie and say it is the same or Gibson made it even better.
It's human nature. That's how marketing works. Learned that in college.
@@evilstalkerhorne That's a tired argument - Slash's guitar was made in the USA by one of the best luthiers in the world. It was not mass produced by a Chinese manufacturer. His guitar was a one-off specifically for Slash that eventually became part of the Gibson line through the normal process of business. Dont think for one second that Gibson wasnt involved (or at the very least aware) along the way - just because they didnt build it doesnt mean they were blind to the situation. Your argument is apples to oranges and the same tired, boring argument that all the supporters of stolen copyrights make. I hope you never have the experience of going through the process of getting something patented and to market, only to find that your work, dedication, sweat and investment is copied by a manufacturer in China as a junk knock-off for less than half the price. I am not opposed to Chinese made guitars, I have a few - I am opposed to putting someone else's logo on it - but you do you.
I don’t think we can sell enough USA guitars to make any meaningful dent in our $36+ trillion, but at least your idea would benefit the people and not just one person/one company.
"Play Authentic"
Hires Taylor Swift
It's ironic, don't ya think?
Gibson is one of the most unhinged out of touch companies going.
The Queen of lip-synch.
About half a decade ago I ordered one that supposedly had a different logo on the headstock. It was seized and I was sent another, which has the full Gibson logo. 😂
Not suppose to profit off the Presidency. Period... Make of that what you will.
well you better go after all the past 20 presidents
@@dan197573 Stuff has indeed been a little busted for a long time
@@dan197573 The last 20 presidents didn't profit while they were in office. Book deals, speaking engagements, etc. are popular AFTER they leave office. Trump made millions while he was in office last time and he's already hawking everything from watches to Bibles to knives, sneakers, guitars, etc..weeks before he returns. Do you think it's all going to stop by January?
He worked on behalf of the country for a whopping $1 all four years. Clinton and Obama increased their net worth over 500% during their terms. Go figure
@@dan197573 They didn't profit while they were still in office.... they profited after. Trump profited before, during and after last time and he's obviously planning to do it all again.
I have a Chibson hollow body. Ordered it right from DHGate. I put "chibson" under the bottom fret with my punch kit thing.
Whats also bad is the bullshit Mosrite guitars coming in. A real Venture model can be $2k and up. These things coming in are crap and are being sold as real.
Screw Gibson they would much rather sell you a Gibson branded shirt or leather jacket for more than there worth. Just like their guitars
Knowing you told us to keep it light, Trogly, I still have this to say. I would much more quickly purchase a Chibson over anything with the name of one who was never the president of anything and is a danger to himself. Signature editions are a big-enkugh boodoggle anyway, but a Trump guitar? I doubt it would even make decent firewood.
At this point, Gibson should launch a new guitar model shaped like a judge's gavel, and call it the "Les Sue" 🤣⚖️👨⚖️🎸
In which Asian country are those Trump guitars made? I "wonder" if he imposes high import tariffs on that country too.
Also, the MAGA guitars made in Asia and sold for an outrageous price b/c of his stenciled autograph? Makes sense 😁
For a guy who claims to be opposed to China (I'm talking to you Trump) he sure does do a lot of business with them.
I really don't understand people bagging on Gibson for protecting their intellectual property. I don't know of any business that would be okay with getting openly ripped off because people are counterfeiting their products or stealing and making money off of their original design concepts.
How is a guitar body shape an intellectual property? Not trying to be snarky, but I don't see that. Intellectual property might cover the pickups and circuitry.
@@MinkSnopesJJZ109maybe because they are branded Gibson 😂😂😂🤦🏻♂️
Because it was intellectualy thought of and designed by gibson workers. McCarty. Therefore it's gibson property. Try making some of your favorite sports team memorabilia and see how fast they hit with with a cease and desist. People don't like gibson, mostly, because they can't afford them. Boo hoo!!! More than like all of your heroes play them or play them at some point
So do you use alternating electricity or a AC motor of any kind? If so you like the billions of other people in the world owe the Tesla estate for ripping off his intellectual property. Tesla never got even half the $$ he should have earned and died broke. Same thing we have at Gibson rich guys can do what they want poor cannot have the same shit. You cannot afford a lawyer or a patent well then, you are going to be ripped off.
@@mertmunson1417 Exactly
If you buy 10 you can get them for $80 a piece we buy 500 you can get them for $60 a piece
Just shows that Taylor Swift is smarter than Donnie Dump.
This has legit just turned into a podcast, and I’m not unhappy about that
Imagine being able to kill to pick and choose and grab a few of these sweet pieces for free...oh wait, that's what these Customs officials' neices and nephews will be getting for Christmas🌲
Probably true
@@christianhunter777 facts
Totally true!
I asked the maker in China to remove the Gibson logos, and mine went through like a charm.
That dark wine red custom is the most convincing one
Yeah, most of that lineup are OBVIOUSLY fake to even the most casual observer, despite myriad RUclipsrs saying over the years that "Its sooooo hard to spot a fake Gibson!!!" Puh-huh-leeze!
I truly loathe any ' celebrity endorsed' product. WTF? They don't have enough money? And yes I love Yngwie, Trump, Slayer and Metallica and I'd never buy a wine, cigar strings or even a frozen meal endorsed buy them either.
Hey now! The Trump Paul guitar is proudly assembled in Texas by a vet! Now, whether the vet is a veteran of the North Korean or Russian army or not remains to be seen. They might even just be a veterinarian, we don't actually know for sure
I love that the "world renowned luthier" isn't named, one might think that would be a selling point for a guitar
The "World Renowned Luthier" is some seven year old Chinese or Korean kid and they just couldn't pronounce his name or figure out how to spell it most likely
@@neilpatrickhairless
Or it's "Luther"...
Lex Luther.
This is such bs they sell for around 250 and are not sold as real gibsons and it’s great alternative for people who can’t afford the ones made here or at least supposedly made here because most companies send our stuff to China to get made and our Mexico Gibson‘s customer service is horrible as well as fenders. I’m very happy with my purchases after having to sell my originalbecause of his great economy and I will be buying more. Maybe Gibson and fender should take lessons on how to make a good instrument of affordable and on how to treat their customers.
Very much agreed. Gibson should learn from the Chibson builders how to build cheap but quality guitars that stays in tune.🤭
This is so stupid. I’ll buy a knockoff long before I’ll pay 10,000 for the real thing. Material cost is probably 100 bucks on these things, it’s absolutely disgusting
So, go buy yourself $100 with of wood and wire and make a Les Paul Custom. It takes zero skill or time. You udon't even need specialty tools... just use a hammer and a screwdriver.
@ I would do that long before I’d buy an overpriced piece of junk genuine one
you are absolutely right!. The mahogany body wood is the same material that both Gibson and Chibson are made of. Maybe it's around $100 to $150. The only difference is the hardwares like pickups, tuners and bridge which is the only Gibson advantage. The finished guitar should should only cost around $200 to $250 yet Gibson is like ripping off your hard earned money by selling it to you at an overpriced rate: $4,000+ on "Standard" models, $5,000 to $8,000 on "Custom" and $7,000 to $20,000 on Custom Shop, re-issue's and Murphy Labs.😂 That's why it's way better to go directly to the Chibson "factory", they will give you the fair price.🤭
Shut up and buy America's official guitar by Trump!
I'm sure Trump Guitars will be absolute shit just like every other Trump product
If these "fake" Gibsons are SO close to the original as to not be easily identified, and less than 10% of the cost of an authentic Gibson, makes me wonder if Gibson might get caught having those precious guitars actually being made in China?????
I like chibsins for practice in painting and other modification techniques. Also being a left handed player (due to a physical disability so no I can’t just play right handed) Gibson makes like a jokingly small amount of left handed guitars and suprise suprise the fakes often do have left handed versions.
Gibson does not offer no heel or 24 fret Les Paul versions as well. China still puts real rose wood on fret boards as well.
4:20 yeah even when they are made by a different company overseas they snap, lol it's not a Gibson video if theres not at least 1 headstock getting snapped
The difference between Swift and Trump, most guitar companies probably wouldn't want to offend other customers. Plus if they sold Trump guitars, it is likey their factory or store would be targeted for vandalism or burned down by the unhinged........
A copy and a forgery are not the
same thing. When I lived in San
Diego in the 80' I was teased by
friends for driving a '61 Coupe de
Ville and playing a '58 Martin. I
answered "I didn't come all the way to California to drive a Toyota
and play a Takamine".
Not interested in either the Trump or Taylor Swift guitars. I’m not into self promoting guitars.
don’t get a Les Paul then
Yep. Never been into the "signature" guitars with peoples names on them.
@gregputman yep...Christian F. Martin, Orville Gibson, Epaminondas Stathopoulos, Fred Gretsch, Torakusu Yamaha, Salvador Ibanez, Adolph Rickenbacker, Leo Fender, Grover Jackson, Wayne Charvel, Bob Taylor, Dean Zelinsky, Paul Reed Smith...
So, Ovation and ???
@@misterschubert3242 Hondo.
@@robertlowery5586 and Harmony and Heritage...the H's!
Gibson brought it on themselves with their ridiculously overpriced guitars. How long they survive will be in question ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Spoken like a true blue Trumper.