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Diddy's Ditties & Donkey Konga: The Death of DK -- Designing For Donkey Kong December
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- Опубликовано: 5 дек 2022
- The year is 2004. Donkey Kong is dead. Let's take a look back and see how a children's song of all things took one of gaming's strongest series for a decade and torpedoed its credibility with the worst first impression the series could've given after its parent company lost custody of it: Donkey Konga.
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"Donkey Kong is dead...and the Itsy Bitsy Spider killed him"
I knew that Itsy Bitsy Son of a Bitch couldn't be trusted
Lol
Run a garden hose through the water spout, we can't expect God to do _ALL_ the work in eradicating that little shit!
Clearly, it was an inside job. Squitter created the opening for this deadly blow.
This comment wins the internet today
King K. Rool was just a pawn used by him
Donkey Kong confronted with an entire army of Krushas and Klumps: No problem
Donkey kong when confronted with a kids song: This is too much for me.
my poor boy.. look what they did to him..
Worth note - unlike Diddy's other Ditties, "Happy Birthday" was not public domain at the time. Big N would've had to shell out royalties to license it.
Sort of adds to the whole thing for me
It’s both hilarious and painful to hear you go into the intricacies of how children’s songs plus Donkey Konga kind of works, and then hear you descend into madness at how people thought this was a good idea.
Seems to happen when there's demand for an IP to return but the company itself has no idea how to do it or no real intention to. Yoshi, Kirby, Donkey Kong, Star Fox, Metroid, they all suffered from that. EVEN PIKMIN and CHIBI ROBO.
I still don't know why those songs are in Donkey konga
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Other franchises just get retreads of the same old ground, like Bomberman.
@@austinreed7343 Bomberman 64 and Bomberman Hero were different enough. But yeah most of them have the same battlefields and gameplay.
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I meant Super Bomberman R.
This is what we are. This is the first stage of being a DK fan... Accepting the franchise was killed by a rhythm game. The second stage is playing DKC returns, and Tropical Freeze. Then the 3rd stage is realizing that it's been almost a decade since the last new DKC or DK game.
Donkey Konga is Diddy singing VA from the series in their purest form.
Pain.
_"Sub-creatures! Gozer the Gozerian, Gozer the Destructor, Volguus Zildrohar, the Traveller has come! Choose the form of the Destructor- Choose and PERISH!!"_
*-Andrew Sabiston, probably.*
This was the exact point where DK became a meme
People always get "Family Friendly" and "Made for kids" confused with each other in a really bad way. And it ruins the image of things that are actually made for all ages, because they get lumped together with the no-effort kiddie crap.
I've been saying this for so long now, and I'm so glad that other people are getting it. There is a massive difference between something being SUITABLE for kids, versus something being MADE for kids. A lot of Nintendo games are SUITABLE for kids, which naturally leads to a lot of children playing them, but they're not like "Race with Ryan" which has no audience above the age of 4
So what you're telling me is that Charlotte from Charlotte's Web killed a gorilla wearing a tie with his initials on it who frequently battles or joins forces with a mushroom-added Italian plumber from New York City who fights turtles on a regular basis?
I bet Templeton put her up to it.
This is the most quotable episode of D4 I have ever seen
This is uncomfortably close to how kiddified Sonic Lost World was.
The worst part is that with parody lyrics based on DK concepts would have made them marginally less painful. R-A-M-B-I would perhaps be less painful.
_There was a Kong who had a Rhino, Rambi was his name-o..._
Yeah, I can see that!
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Maybe we could replace the non-chorus part with gameplay tips, after the first refrain?
“Itsy Bitsy Squitter”
“Mine Mine Mine your Cart, swiftly down the track, scarily scarily scarily scarily, life’s a heart attack”
@@TheDuckyDino
“Ol’ itsy-bitsy Squitter’s the best card in the stack,
Press R to make platforms and press Y to attack.
Jumping’s no problem when Squitter is around
And the best part of all is he makes funny sounds.”
Nintendo looked forward into the future and knew they had to create a new kind of gaming peripheral for people to beat Dark Souls on.
I'm glad I passed on this game when I saw it on the store shelf. Knowing what the game is now, I'm certain I would've died of second hand embarrassment if I was caught playing this.
I dunno what's worse, the period between the Rare buyout and DKCR where we only got mediocre spinoffs, or the period between Tropical Freeze and now where we get *nothing*
I'd say the past 9 years have been worse for Donkey Kong fans.
The past decade for sure. The buyout era was hit or miss, but at least Nintendo was taking shots at all, and when a game hit, fans would be treated to good gameplay, the franchise's identity being well represented, or both. Now, we're just getting Donkey Kong pushed as a Mario character, neither the gameplay nor aesthetics are consistently well represented anymore.
I remember having Donkey Konga as a kid, it sparks memories of playing Blink-182 with my bingo controller. I thought back on it fondly, but this video reminded me what the beginning songs were. What a terrible way to push DK into the new console generation.
Bingo does go kinda hard tho.
This is the Paper Mario Sticker Star of the Donkey Kong series
At least Sticker Star is an actual game.
@@jordanthejq12 Debatable
@@jordanthejq12 At least this could be considered a shitty spin off game while sticker star was a mainline title that made everyone lost faith
Great job covering this strange title. It should also be noted that the Donkey Konga series is basically just Namco's Taiko no Tatsujin but with a DK coat of paint. Funny enough, the game was actually popular over in Japan, to the point that there was a third entry over there and interestingly, each game's regional release had different songs to play to. (Imagine having DK drum along to Shonen anime intro themes from series like Naruto and Dragon Ball, because it happened.) Personally, I think the games might have done a LITTLE better if they all had ACTUAL DONKEY KONG MUSIC to drum to. The series is beloved for it's fantastic soundtracks so the fact they made 2 to 3 games all about drumming to songs and the ONLY tune tied to the series was the Smash Bros remix of the DK Rap felt extremely... awkward to put it politely.
Yeah simple things. But it did well where it mattered most i suppose. I also don't like the notion that DK was only swinging misses before Returns. Jungle Beat is one of my favorite gamecube games, I actually think Barrel Blast is awesome and definitely deserves another go as well as the characters introduced there being used more whenever Kremlings make a comeback. And the King of swing/jungle climber titles are WEIRD but pretty fun small spin off times admittedly. Granted, i was born a few years too late to experience Rare and DKC mania live in the 90's, but colorful mascot platformers in general were kinda getting dethroned in general gamers opinions anyway at the time. But as a 98 kid growing up during this DK "dark age" what we got was definitely good stuff in my eyes and enough to make me love the ape and his crew
I bought all 3 Konga games back in the day. Being a big Taiko no Tatsujin fan I really appreciated the bongos take on the taiko gameplay, and the Japanese track list for all 3 games were really catchy and fun to play. Never played the NA release, and it seems I'm better off for that, looks like the track list for that game isn't nearly as catchy.
This is genuinely one of my favorite D4 videos. From the jokes, to the escalating disappointment all the way to the genuine look at the game design I just had a delightful time
When'd we get Mario vs DK?
This GBA puzzle-platformer, successor to GB DK94, is a beloved title from my earlier days gaming.
I think they had something going there before the toy creatures took over everything a la Minions or Rabbids.
4 or 5 months before Konga I think. Issue is it's a Mario game and a throwback to the classic arcade DK, not the kind of thing DKC fans were chomping at the bit for.
It's a great game though. I don't like it quite as much as the GB one, but it's really solid.
DK94 is an underrated gem
Why is the Kong most associated with hip-hop and rock & roll jamming out to nursery rhymes?
I'm a thirty year old man who still occasionally listens to some of the songs in frigging _Dragon Tales_ unironically, but even I feel I have to ask how this isn't considered downright embarrassing in-universe!
Did Cranky or K.Rool put this track together to spite Diddy or something? Because that would be the only way any of this makes sense!
Kiddy King would have worked better.
Yeah, but Dragon Tales goes HARD.
Once you can look past Ditties and Bingo, Konga is actually really fun beneath the surface
When he said "It's dittin' time!" I felt that.
This decade was so frustrating for DK/Rare fans, so many cool 3D action adventure games were coming out across all platforms and DK kept getting saddled with weird bongo spinoffs.
I played the heck out of the Sly Cooper and Jak and Daxter trilogies in the 2000s, and in retrospect, a lot of the ideas in those games and Super Mario Sunshine and Wind Waker would have made perfect sense for Donkey Kong.
The most damning indictment of DK's direction in the 2000s was that the best selling title of the franchise in that decade was the DKC1 remake on GBA. Essentially a port of a decade old SNES game made by a studio owned by the Nintendo's competitor was still more attractive to mass audiences than all the weird experiments that were being attempted on home consoles. While we'll never know what the internal discussions really were about what to do with IP, I like to believe it was Rare's success with the Country trilogy remakes that eventually convinced the company to get Retro for DKC Returns. For all of NoJ's successes, understanding Donkey Kong's appeal in the West was something they seemed to struggle with.
Hmm, I wonder if the Japanese version made a better first impression....
(one intense Google session later)
I Met a Bear...... They start with *I Met a Bear.*
Yikes.
I will say, hot take, anyone else feel like the Mario RPGs are currently in a similar spot today as DK was back then pre-DKC-Returns?
Which gives me a bit of hope that things might change, and that god forbid they might actually remember that people liked the iterations the RPGs made on existing Mario species and how beloved they are with the fans, like they did with the old Rare cast even as they added new elements...
...Tho I am then swiftly saddened by also remembering that situation with the "Mario Mandates" or whatever you want to call the pretty visible mandated crushing of anything too "off brand" in the Mario series also resembles what happened to Mickey Mouse in the 90s, and lord knows how long it took before they let Paul Rudish & crew make him interesting again.
And yes I am aware of the irony of the guy who headed up DKC's glorious revival also headlining the downfall of the Paper Mario series, though how much of the latter is his fault is... unclear.
Warren Spector was the first guy to make him interesting again, other than maybe Runaway Brain and Kingdom Hearts.
@@austinreed7343 This is true, tho I still feel like Paul Rudish's stuff was more... well-recieved? More widespread in its positive effects on the character? IDK, that's from casual observation on my part tho.
The only good think that came out from Donkey Konga was the absolute absurd selection of tracks that got chosen for Donkey Konga 2
Also shoutout to plushie Gengar to keep supporting IRL DK
Close your eyes and imagine if Nintendo released a good modern Donkey Konga with all sorts of great DK music from every corner of his history to pop off to, with a second list of songs from standard Nintendo series.
Well, here's what it would look like: ruclips.net/video/ATvr2eSZDqA/видео.html
Also, add a third selection exclusively of the DKC cartoon songs for the people who care way to much about this because why not
The narration and writing is always fantastic in these videos. The ending lines are GLORIOUS.
At least we got the DK Bongos, one of the greatest meme controllers ever made.
fun fact of note: donkey konga has two sequels. Donkey Konga 2 had more mature songs (at least in the USA; hey, at least the boys in Britain only had to deal with the Pokémon main theme and Mute City, among some others), while Donkey Konga 3 was only released in the land of the rising sun.
I personally like Donkey Kong 54. But, I'm guessing on the comment that it didn't do well in sales?
It actually did VERY well, was highly acclaimed on release, no one liked the DK Rap initially but otherwise it was an N64 classic
Then 2002 hit and it's never really washed away the stigma of the Nintendo fanbase turning hard on DK as a whole that the Country games eventually shook off. For context, people were calling DKC2 a bad game in 2004! DK64 had a comparable impossible mountain to climb that it's still recovering from today, even if it is... I mean I don't love it but I certainly don't think it's overall bad!
@@DesigningFor DK 64 reminds me of Sonic Adventure. It was overly ambitious, had a ton of playable characters, and tried a lot of new things that don't always hold up on replay. The end result are games that average out to just overall being "good" but are easy to slam for their failings. They also both ended up putting both of their franchises into spirals that they're still recovering from.
I discovered your channel recently, and I'm so glad I did. I grew up with DKC, the GBA remake was the first videogame I ever played. It's very entertaining and refreshing to see a youtuber such as yourself dissecting the entire series.
I can't wait to see what comes next.
Jungle Beat, bongos and all, is astounding.
Damn that escalated hard. Poor DK
Every Donkey Kong fan to this game during Donkey Kong's funeral: "See you in (heck)"
Team Fortress 2's Spy after Soldier asked him for the bucket in Expiration Date.
And essentially, Donkey Konga was just Taiko no Tatsujin, with _nursery rhymes_ as its terrible first impression.
1:42 “never lower” in the past 10 years all we’ve gotten are Tropical Freeze and a couple Mario vs Donkey Kong games
If this game and Wii Music taught us anything, it's that without a supportive track like say, the Rhythm Heaven franchise, Nintendo should stay away from Rhythm games if the songs aren't interesting.
Donkey Konga's Japanese track list was really fun though. I loved all 3 games released in Japan.
I found it easier to kind of slap the side of the bongo rather than clapping. It picked it up at least as well, only used one hand, and was frequently faster.
this video is a few jump scares and photoshop effects away from being analog horror, I cried ;_ ;
Almost as good as Wii Music
Never knew that's how bad Donkey Konga was, wow
Why does the words Donkey King was dead and the Itsy-bitsy spider killed him make me laugh
I always liked donkey konga. Although, in the german version are no children songs, also the donkey kong country theme is a playable title which is an absolute plus in the song selection
I never knew of Donkey Konga until now, and I almost had a heart attack when I heard itsy bitsy spider. I THOUGHT THIS WAS DONKEY KONG NOT KINDERGARTEN
Strange, my copy doesn't have any of the children songs. I guess NOE cut those songs. While hardly core content, it would've been nice to have just for posterity sake.
The PAL version has different songs, yeah (as does the Japanese version, so there's three track lists in total). Looking up a list, let's see here, I bet your version of Diddy's Ditties can't be that much better...
donkeykong.fandom.com/wiki/Donkey_Konga#List_of_Songs
Oh. It's Don't Stop Me Now. Well, you certainly got the better end of that bargain.
Idk, if the thumbnail is anything to go by I could certainly see myself jammin' out to Gangster's Paradise on the bongos.
Your reaction: Diddy's Ditties and Bingo get added to Smash Ultimate as stage music
I unironically love the track list. The sequel had basically nothing except All Star.
Wait, this game didn’t have songs from the cartoon?
You forgot the All Star cover!
1:24 you take that back about Sonic Heroes
The childishness of the game wouldn't be so bad... if the commercial didn't feature older teenagers.
Yeah, it seems that they really wanted to cheap out on the soundtrack, so they went for public domain; on a more cursed note, some of the icons look like amogus
Even Happy Birthday wasn't public domain at the time, much less Blink-182!
Okay but have you considered: the Itsy Bitsy Spider slaps?
My older brother liked Donkey Konga.
Donkey Konga is not a remotely bad idea either. Having you play congas with DK sounds fitting and the gameplay looks fine. The one big problem is that you play over generic nursery rhymes than the franchise's already memorable soundtrack. Hell, the nursery rhymes could've been used for a Baby Mode, but they didn't think of that of course.
Dear Lord, I didn't know that was the music track of the game =O
To be fair, itsy bitsy spider goes kinda hard here
Domkey Komg Coumtry. =>
hey Designing for! do you think DK64 has an awesome Soundtrack? i love it!
It's not my favorite of Grant's soundtracks all in all, but some songs (DK Isles, Toys 'R' Alive, Snide's HQ Banana Fairy Island, some variants of Crystal Caves) are really, REALLY strong. And it's loaded with personality and fits mood very well. It's a very good soundtrack all in all!
Bro insane if you to disrespect HL2 like that 40 seconds into the video
you know. donkey konga could have been amazing.
....if only it werent ashamed of its musical legacy and in place of the awesome snes-64 music we got fucking itsy bitsy spider.
donkey konga murdered dk when it really, really shouldnt have.
Now Microsoft is working with Nintendo to port some games
I love the frequent uploads but it’s probably better for the channel for you to spread them out.
I remember how this pretty much made me forget that Donkey Kong exists. This, and him sucking in Melee (from what I remember).
I thought Donkey Kong had gone the way of Sonic. And to be fair, I'm still not completely sure that the series has recovered. At least Sonic has Sonic Mania! Is Tropical Freeze as good as Sonic Mania, when comparing them to their original trilogies?
Many would say that Tropical Freeze is the best DK game ever made. I don't quite agree, the little differences its controls and momentum has compared to the original trilogy I'm not a fan of, but I do think it's a great game and is properly comparable to Mania, if a bit dilluted due to coming out on the Wii U first. Returns is similarly great... when you get past the forced motion controls for rolling that does hurt the game a bit when it doesn't register correctly.
I will defend Jungle Beat, though! That game was good, just horribly marketed!
@@DesigningFor I felt like DKC:Returns was more of a Sonic Generations more than a Sonic Mania. I might end up feeling the same way about Tropical Freeze if the differences in momentum are noticeable.
What made Sonic Mania great for me is that they nailed the physics that made the original trilogy so great.
I was a victim to the Jungle Beat marketing as a kid. That, and I couldn't afford a game with a fancy controller back then...I was lucky enough to have the GC itself! At least, I'm assuming you need the Bongos for Jungle Beat...
Is there any way to play those games "properly" today without buying a set of those bongos online?
@@BabusGameRoom There is a "New Play Control" version of Jungle Beat available for Wii, but personally I feel that it misses a lot of what made JB special in the translation. Jungle Beat is as close to a rhythm-platformer as you're gonna get in its original form, the Wii version traditionalizes it a bit, and while it's still good, I do think the intensely inaccessible original version is the way to go. Plus it wouldn't feel right if your hands didn't hurt horribly from clapping afterward!
@@DesigningFor Ahaha, I wonder if there's been any attempts at getting something similar running through emulation. I also wonder how much those bongos go for online these days...
Wow, hearing about what the first two songs were genuinely shocked me. I had heard the bongo game was bad, but JEEZ, that's pretty tone deaf.
What about donkey Kong jungle Beat? I love that game That's a platformer kind of
The Half-Life 2 disrespect is insane
Game legitimately makes me motion sick in the vehicle sections. A combination of being bad at shooters and unable to play the game at times will do that. Makes it a fun conversation starter!
@@DesigningForI think you are a really really silly goose
Dr. Isaac Kleiner will go to your home and eat your Donkey Kong Plushies because of this, I hope you're happy you foolish germ
I have a doubt, why does people in the internet don't really like dk64?
Personally I enjoyed it when I was a kid and I remember it as a good game
Is because the game has too many collectables.
However In my opinión is great
@@mementojc9260 Also because switching to different Kongs is really frustrating
Yeah I think it's mostly the color coded bananas that does it
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Don't forget the obnoxious pads and minigames that replace bananas
@@BBWahoo Don't forget Beaver Bother
Incel gamerboys didn't get Donkey Konga. I get that. We all do. But it is revisionist history to say it killed DK for a generation. The idiotic decision by Nintendo to rip DK Bongos support for DK Bongo Blast (aka DK Barrell Blast) for the Wii made that 2007 game unlikeable and unplayable. That did far more damage than a game (actually 3) that you incels didn't like.
... but I like Donkey Konga. Are you doing alright? Do you need a hug? Because it sounds like your hatred of a game that you don't even know the title of and inability to read any print media from the time is really upsetting you. It's ok, I'm here if you need to talk.
Hey dk 64 was pretty good