@@ErgonomicChair wtf is this?? Why is it only cool to talk abt negative things that black men and black ppl in general do? Why is it when a man shares a story abt his great black father that's immediately cringe?? Wtf is wrong with you
@@Dash-dd1ro ... did you fucking misread what I said you absolute dunce? I said I wished his father, who worked to federalise Juneteenth, got to see the holiday he worked so hard to get. What is wrong with you?
The whole "omg I'm bored, this is boring" is so annoying. Like the fuck, he aint a clown doing a little circus routine. Sit there and listen and respond when necessary. People need to grow up
@@chrischris7003 and there whole point Is what is the unique American black experience and how is that different from the global one and that's what he's doing but they don't really care
@@dubbykash they don't wanna hear it because it destroys their platform of being seen as an "expert" that's why only here they can get away with acting how they do because in any black circles they'd get shut down. They're talking out their asses about shit they never experienced and destiny has just as much authority as them. Fact that they didn't understand how important Juneteenth was and destiny did is proof.
when the man was telling his background trying to introduce himself and why he thinks the way he does just to get shit on by her saying "I'm bored this is boring" is infuriating and then when destiny calls her out she whines that he's not siding with her??
Yeah, I legit cringed out of watching the second to last video on this channel cuz it starts out with the same woman talking about the ''upcoming'' midterms, she didn't even know they'd already happened. She just makes up everything she says on the go, no care for facts or accuracy and it is really hard to listen to or take anything she says seriously.
I get that Destiny wants to have interesting conversations with interesting people and normally I'm down but Anna isn't interesting to me. She just comes across as insecure because she can't treat anyone respectfully or engage in good faith. She doesn't like to let people talk and is hyper aggressive. Probably so she can use their reaction to her being an asshole as an excuse to scapegoat black men and dismiss anything her opposition has to say. She's basically a slightly more intelligent and considerably more racist version of Jackson Hinkle or Infrared. It's boring. I'm out.
She will turn into the next Lav---eventually Destiny will realize that she is less interesting and more problematic, inflammatory and damaging than he wants to accept right now. Then he will push back or do something to taint their relationship, then she will go scorched earth and Destiny will have to move on to the next cycle of "interesting person". BUUUT this process will likely result in black content creators distancing himself from him because Anna is so unhinged, then he will act like he doesnt know what happened OR that he was right in giving space and voice to Anna, even tho she add nothing of use to any space she occupies. OOOOOOR we explore the idea that Destiny has entered a Black-issues arc and will not last lol lol
@@robinsonc5 What people like you don't seem to realise is that because of Anna, we've had all these black people on talking about their experiences and perspectives. If Destiny didn't talk to her and have her on multiple times, do you think we still would have gotten all this content? That's why he's been continuing to platform her, not just because she's interesting.
@@TheRedHaze3 black ppl have been having panels and these discussions for a long time. Prime Kay's had an all black panel years before this drama...Destiny didn't need to bring the loudest and most vitriolic of the black RUclips community into his limelight in order to engage in these conversations. you said, he's using her, her race, and her ignorance for content. Why do you think he chosen her over all other black content creators to host limelight in these convos?
@@robinsonc5 He didn't choose Anna over anyone. Destiny will platform basically anyone who asks. So if those black creators wanted to talk to him about black issues, that's on them for not contacting him. It's not like he hasn't talked to black people about black issues before. The reason I would say this mini-arc is different to, say, the few conversations he's had with Fanatiq about black issues, is that it's become a much bigger thing, spanning multiple hours-long videos, so it's getting a lot more attention.
@@robinsonc5 Perhaps he is "using" her for content. But would that be such a bad thing. She gets a huge platform and Destiny gets entertaining content. Ana is not a representative for black people. She is a black person. Her being an idiot is well within her right. We have so many dipshit alt righters and red pillers who are almost exclusively white and male. It's good to show that all people, regardless of their gender, color or creed can be morons.
Facts. He literally tried to use the Bible for every take. It’s funny that he claims “I need to read that verse for myself” when Destiny read out the verse about the tonic to abort a baby. I don’t think people realize that same tonic has killed innocence just from suspicion for the man. Also does he not realize there was a slave Bible? Like why is the Bible the end all be all for these Bible thumpers.
@@johnlonne7062 Nothing to do with race. It’s just that religious people tend to be less educated and more gullible. This applies to black too as the younger blacks who are more educated and less religious than their older counterparts.
“No one is saying the Black American experience isn’t unique” Except that was exactly what was said in the previous video. Beyond that there is meat to the bones of this conversation. There is a discussion to be had about both ends if the Systemic/Personal scale. Alot of the broader conversation does tend to limit agency in all the wrong ways, but you do need to meet people where they are.
Christians saying that those who went through tremendous suffering did it because they weren't being true enough to God is absolutely repulsive. That the African slaves were being punished for turning their back on Yeh or that anyone else who suffers through tremendous pain and greif and loss and horrific crimes is being punished by God is such a horrific thing to say, how could you justify that?
as one myself, I hate that argument. It doesn't make sense, and I am yet to see that as an argument in the Bible. Especially since, western africa at the time had no idea about Christianity, so God wouldn't punish them for something they do not know
@@triplemoyagames4195 I'm sorry, I should have said "some Christians." Some of the best people I've met are Christians and also some of the worst. I just think that take of going through tremendous pain and suffering is due to them not being true enough in their faith is horrible and that all the people born before Christianity or don't know of it are in Hell or some terrible limbo. I think faith can be TREMENDOUSLY healing and supportive and can offer guidance and love and structure, i just don't think faith is the end all be all as that guy was saying. That you should be content living in poverty and ill health because if you were a true Christian, you'd be supplied everything you needed. Just wahhhh.
@@hauntedmushroomsasmr7716 Oh yeah I get you. People also forget God doesn't purposefully inflict pain on to his people, especially for no reason. In fact the book of Job is an example of how bad things can happen to good people. In fact addresses that very argument about how people going through suffering, was due to Job not being close enough to God. That EXACT argument is addressed and stated
Ngl saying that Mexicans get treated like regular Americans is a clear example that most of these people havent spent more than a week in the usa lol 17:20
@@TheRedHaze3 i mean thats true, but thats not what a majority of mexicans look like, thats like say that black people are treated like regular americans because of logic and halsey
He definitely isn't the best person to do it because he isn't knowledgeable on basic happenings in the black community but I don't think he should be barred from doing it
@GAkuki le grand générale That's not the point. The point is because of his lack of experience with the topic, he entertains arguments that are falsehoods like the idea the black community in general focuses on systemic racism at the expense of personal responsibility. It's a take that only applies terminally online/leftist black people. The majority of black people are conservative and talk about personal responsibility constantly
Or what the “need to acknowledge”people need to acknowledge is that people already deeply disagree with them so it’s less “need to acknowledge” and more “need to persuade”; guess that goes for me too! The “need to acknowledge” statement assumes people already agree with you but are choosing to do the wrong thing.
He is the worst type of christian, his understanding of religion and the scriptures is so surface level and devoid of nuance. He sounded extremely ignorant the whole time. His solution is Jesus... like wtf.
@@dxshawn532 other people lack of counter arguments don't make it right. Saying 2 plus 2 equals 12 doesn't make you right just because everyone else everyone else around you says 5.
Finally a calm, mostly, productive conversation... Anna just ruins every conversation on how to help the black community with her terrible attitude and frankly her overt sexism/racism.
Some of this is frustrating to watch. Fenty literally broke on to the scene with her bi-racial sob story weeks ago, she was able to get it out uncontested and her feelies taken into account. Seems messed up she would essentially step on the experience of BA’s so casually like she did in convo. Also Don with the “yeah who cares you’re getting lynched and can’t vote when the kingdom in heaven is eternal!!” Like bro comon. Sometimes these guys don’t even scratch the surface of what engagement is.
Something about this conversation hits home for me. I am a white American but my family is from Eastern Kentucky where the poverty rate is extremely high, and my family is basically your typical "poor whites." Some people like JD Vance get themselves out of a situation like that and then turn around and say the culture is the problem and welfare is the problem. I have been pretty successful compared to the rest of my family, and while I can recognize that culture is a major factor, there is so much more at play. Clinical depression, anxiety, debt upon debt, not knowing where to find resources, lack of social skills required for professional environments, and so much more. These people don't even know where to start, and it isn't their fault! If you want to prescribe a "boot straps" mentality for these communities, then by its very nature, only of a portion of the population will make it out! That's survival of the fittest, and it's not broad enough to help an entire community! People who have this POV are so blind to their own privilege, whatever form it may take.
Tbf I'd say a lot of Christians just have their idea of what makes abortions bad and they don't actually use Christian theology to back it up. It is my understanding that there's no theology behind the position of the spirit being any part of the pregnancy until a baby is born and breathing. They just really like that life begins at conception line. But don't address how there's multiple complications that have the outcomes of a failure to carry a baby to term.
Its not his own interpretation. Its in the bible. God in the old testament before the new covenant, was Eye for an eye. Tooth for a tooth. Even in the old testament killing a fetus means you pay with your life. This verse means if the child is conceived out of marriage it shall be killed. Those laws were given for a specific people for a specific time. Old testament : eye for an eye. New testament: turn your other cheek. Because all the laws have been fulfilled through christ. So now we don't have to follow unnecessary 613 laws given to the Jews.
I get Don’s argument, but to say find Jesus as the solution feels extremely reductive. Especially considering the fact that that solution is more idealistic than realistic. Converting people to Christianity is a challenge in itself, and getting them to be truly spiritual and faithful is even more difficult, especially when everyone would be doing it for different reasons, if u want to fix the black community as a whole you’d need develop solutions that start with the lowest common denominator and build up from there, and if I had to guess, that denominator isn’t spirituality or family values, it’s education and economics.
When I worked in social work one of the most eye-opening realizations I made was that areas and communities are not a certain way or have certain problems because of the people that live in them but because of the type of housing that is in those communities and their affordability. Because when people are lifted up from their level of poverty, they will simply move and will be replaced by someone else who is back on the old level of poverty. Certain areas will always keep their issues because they will be filled with people with those issues.
This is very true. I remember seeing research a while ago, it might have even been talked about on Destiny’s stream once, showing that most of the high-crime, gang-infested areas in America have always been high-crime, gang-infested areas. Even when they were inhabited by other ethnic groups.
Also the communities who live in these areas typically are not going to leave these areas as often bc they are unaware of the potential possibilities they might have out there to better themselves. This being due to well, ignorance. That isn’t their fault but this type of cycle will perpetuate over and over no matter what.
@Jessie You simply need to invest more resources into these areas to help guide people forward and upward out of levels of being disenfranchised. In a way it is almost desirable to have people close to eachother, since you can have a central place that is visible that everyone can go to for assistance. The downside, however can be getting overly policed and "hanging out with the wrong crowd" more easily. The one thing I saw that was the most important was a multi-disciplinary approach where all engaged systems (school, social work, police, local employers, local business, etc.) would have regular meetings to have some kind of 360 degree approach of systems around people, rather than trying to just throw money at the problem(s).
Straighterade is a pretty good orbiter. She is willing to 1v2 while queen destiny plays her factory game. Kinda wild she just got picked up from some change my mind debate
"The book of Exodus says 'Though shall not murder'". It also tells you to buy slaves, and how to treat them. Cherry picking from Exodus is a baaaaaad idea.
There must be some mysterious force in the universe that somehow consistently allows Destiny to house the most lunatic takes about the Black community from extreme ends of differentiating parts of spectrums. It's like watching a movie.
Thank you, I used to be a hard core Christian. I don't think either of those dude understand what they are talking about. They have a very surface level understanding of the Bible.
Nah, Darius has zero chill, he's just there to rage. Chairey is at least trying to engage with what other people are saying, she just get's stuck in attack mode sometimes.
Exodus 21:22 says that if two men are fighting and a pregnant woman is injured, thus resulting in her miscarriage, the offending man must pay a fine. If the bible considered this murder, he would either be imprisoned or executed. Instead, he simply pays a fee like he would for damaged property. Trying to argue against religious radicals is completely nonsensical, it's so exhausting.
Exodus 21:23 goes on to say: But if there is further injury, the punishment must match the injury: a life for a life, Exodus 21:23 NLT Very deceitful take there. its ok to disagree with what you're hearing but lying about something we all have the ability to research is just dumb. Come on now
@@scroopynoopers9824 21:22 is talking about paying a fine for miscarriage, 21:23 is saying if the wife dies then punishment is death. Basically, miscarriage is bad, but it's not the same as actual murder.
No no. It says that it her fruit departs from her, but no further injury is caused, he must only pay the fee. It's then up to interpretation if he meant no injury follows as reference to the woman or the child.
Yes but thats not the same as the mother or father choosing to kill the baby. These laws were given for specific people at a specific time. Old testament: eye for an eye. New testament: turn your other cheek. Abortion is murder. No matter how hard people try to justify it.
There is even slaves in the old testament. Like again. You are trying to bring up the old testament with out any context or without knowing anything about the bible or the new covenant. None of you people have read the bible in its entirety. You dont know why their were 613 some laws and how all of then were fulfilled through jesus. You read it to find fault.
Anna: A-A-ARE F-ING KIDDING ME RIGHT NOW? STEEEEVEEEEEEEN! Nick: See black women on average are more masculine than even white men because they lead by black queens like Cardi B.
Condescending AF almost every time he speaks. Kinda cringe. Unfortunately he has a nice-sounding voice and isn't hyper-aggressive like Ana so he's probably gonna stick around 😢
While I can understand Young Don's passion, he is not ready for these debates. He converted a few months ago and that is not enough time to fully understand the Bible in its entirety, nor is it enough time to even get good in apologetics.
I don’t understand why they are misconstruing the previous discussions. I need to start a channel where I only fact check what people say happened in previous panels.
Bro Anna makes me just not wanna even watch destiny debates cause I know it's bout to be some bs she don't ever contribute ish like this is getting old now
Me and my “pagan worshiping” ancestors are amazed by how much work the word “given” is doing in the phrase, “We weren’t given a complete Christianity”.
Josh is a stand up brother and definitely was a good choice for the panel. Wish he would’ve been able to speak a bit more without being cutoff but he was very interesting and insightful. I also agree that the church and religion was put in place to not only keep us obedient but as a silencer to keep us in “our” place. Church isn’t the only answer we need to take action and make moves to improve our own surroundings. Waiting on Jesus to fix it all for us without working on our own issues will leave us all looking crazy.
Church can be a great answer if you actually followed the bible you would know it’s not waiting for Jesus to save you it gives you principles to live by which will lead to better outcomes in the black community which has some problematic culture
America in general needs financial literacy and media literacy so people have a fundamental understanding of economics at a young age and being able to understand the media you consume without it having a negative effect on decision making.
Excluding the legal sense could your capability to have self responsibility be diminished by not having people in life who hold you accountable on some sort of value system
Old testament: eye for an eye. New testament: turn your other cheek. Those laws were given for specific people at a specific time. All those laws have been fulfilled through jesus. Now we dont have to follow 613 laws for us to be saved.
No offense I like Don but he literally doesn’t have to refer to the Bible for every argument. Since everyone on this planet isn’t Christian make arguments that pertain to all not a select group. Also saying “Would becoming Christian reduce acts of evil and killing” is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard in my life. Like does he not realize there have been countless lives taken for the sake of a crusade. Those crusades had so much blood spilled it’s almost laughable to act like it never happened or people didn’t justify killing for the sake of religion.
Most Christian’s are casual Christian’s in the first place. Even people with a lot of faith are shallow in the understanding of their religion unfortunately.
@Wanted Only you think they're being cool. They're just a person talking about the funny dichotomy of knowing more than these Christian's about Christianity as an atheist. Wouldn't you admit that it's funny and sad too honestly since Christian's *should* know more about Christianity than someone who isn't?
@@diego032912 See your first mistake was thinking the assclowm above you was making a good faith argument. Your second was thinking their capable of intelligent and complex thought. Clearly you're wrong on both counts
But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. Matthew 6:33 This verse has way more sauce than u would first think Verse sharking is similar to clip chimping in many ways
Don is insane in the membrane but I do like hearing his perspective since beyond him getting a lot wrong when it comes to prescribing god as a solution to everything, sometimes he comes from a unique angle you don't hear often which is very interesting
It's impossible to take that guy seriously if he thinks american law is based on the bible. American law is based on english common law, which doesn't have much to do with the bible at all. You don't need religion to figure out that murder is bad.
@@FxckRacism no, its based on common law and the bible. Bcuz common law comes from influences the bible and the hammurabi code. What u speaking on are not laws. Those are bills, executive orders, policies, and regulations. Laws are for the interest of society. Bcuz ppl are using them interchangeably it causes confusion. A real law hasnt been passed from the USA in a long time. Thats why its easy to take these things back, vs a law, which would have a long process to switch or amend.
There's Bible stories that are generationally past down and the concepts are what's taken into consideration for Liberal philosophy in the laws around the US. Also the all men created equal and have the same intrinsic rights is only realistically foundational if there's a God belief being used to determine what's right and wrong with criminal acts.
Its a little annoying that destiny says he is going on an anti-misogyny arc but then dosent push back a single time when the religious dude says "let girls be girls" in response to chaeriy arguing that she has a right to be angry with anna. Its such a dumb/misogynistic comment, considering destiny has gotten into countless screaming matches and heated exchanges with other guys, and not once does he attribute his anger to the irrationality of the male brain. More dudes scream at other dudes than girls scream at other girls, but as soon as chaeriy does it, the religious guy says "let girls be girls". Fuckin cringe.
I've realized when guys raise their voices, and not being emotional about a discussion, it's because they recognize a dangerous situation and they speak loudly to get people's attention to bring an awareness to a problem. The girls haven't seemed to figure out how guys react to raised voices. I'd say the dudes who are just as emotional as the women when they are yelling at each other don't work toward fixing any of the breakdown in communication. It doesn't do any good to want to be heard and not also offer a better solution than what's being agreed on.
I hate when people with money tell other who are poor and struggling, "Money isn't everything," especially when they made money BEFORE becoming religious. In my opinion its pointless worrying about spiritual needs before your physical needs are met (hierarchy of needs)
Sorry but I overall agree with Cheiry. Buddy was acting holier then thou when Ana was in the wrong. There is no talking respectfully to Ana cause she doesn't let anyone talk.
Ok, I think I preferred Anna's bigoted screeching over "let's bring skydaddy into politics" dudes. Yikes. Just, absolutely yikes. It's all fun and games when it's your skydaddy in power. Just wait til someone else's skydaddy gets enough popular support to take the reins you created for them. Jesus, people are dumb.
Moderate religious folks are fine but the whole sky wizard controls everything and forms the basis of morality is laughable in 2022 lol. I prefer the Anna screeching too lol.
I've waited for a decade to hear a black person say that the Nordics (where I live) are prosperous because we don't have black people. I had my money on Owens, but she's been outcandaced it seems.
Well, b/c it seems the Black community was doing great before they ended segregation & started the Welfare programs. (At least it what I hear from the Black Community, & Black Activists & Academics). Well, before the Black Community was Integrated, they had no "Systemic' issues, right?
As a christian, its lowkey comforting to see other christian representation in these debates. I find it to be a similar feeling when you see someone making a point you’d make, or argue a view that you might have.
At 57:40 .. and this is why debating with religious people is impossible. Where does he have this "insider" knowledge on what the bible/god means with their words? Like, come on. This is futile.
When ppl debate I hate when they speak in sbsolutes & as if every differing point is mutually exclusive. Blk ppl can be systemically opressed & also not taking initiative to better themselves despite of it. The system can be the problem & the individual/ group can be part of that same problem.
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Awh... his story about his dad was touching. I wish he got to see Juneteenth too,
August you still havent uploaded the panel with jdion, LTG,and shit vs lav and ana. That was peak content
Man, if you don't TIMESTAMP THIS SHIT! I don't wanna sit and listen to a conversation about Christianity for an hour
@@ErgonomicChair wtf is this?? Why is it only cool to talk abt negative things that black men and black ppl in general do? Why is it when a man shares a story abt his great black father that's immediately cringe?? Wtf is wrong with you
@@Dash-dd1ro ... did you fucking misread what I said you absolute dunce? I said I wished his father, who worked to federalise Juneteenth, got to see the holiday he worked so hard to get.
What is wrong with you?
Hearing this man tell his experiences and his hero black father get dismissed by hurry up where's this going legit made me rage
The whole "omg I'm bored, this is boring" is so annoying. Like the fuck, he aint a clown doing a little circus routine. Sit there and listen and respond when necessary. People need to grow up
@@chrischris7003 and there whole point Is what is the unique American black experience and how is that different from the global one and that's what he's doing but they don't really care
he’s there to give his perspective not an autobiography
@@dubbykash they don't wanna hear it because it destroys their platform of being seen as an "expert" that's why only here they can get away with acting how they do because in any black circles they'd get shut down. They're talking out their asses about shit they never experienced and destiny has just as much authority as them.
Fact that they didn't understand how important Juneteenth was and destiny did is proof.
She needed him to stop talking about his unique background because she knew it would make the audience more willing to hear him out.
when the man was telling his background trying to introduce himself and why he thinks the way he does just to get shit on by her saying "I'm bored this is boring" is infuriating and then when destiny calls her out she whines that he's not siding with her??
She's a dishonest child. I'm not gonna watch a video with her in it anymore, it's so tiring.
Just a typical gen Z attention span.
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Yeah, I legit cringed out of watching the second to last video on this channel cuz it starts out with the same woman talking about the ''upcoming'' midterms, she didn't even know they'd already happened. She just makes up everything she says on the go, no care for facts or accuracy and it is really hard to listen to or take anything she says seriously.
@@Immor7alBG she said, coming up, which has two meanings - one of which is "coming up in conversation"
I get that Destiny wants to have interesting conversations with interesting people and normally I'm down but Anna isn't interesting to me. She just comes across as insecure because she can't treat anyone respectfully or engage in good faith. She doesn't like to let people talk and is hyper aggressive. Probably so she can use their reaction to her being an asshole as an excuse to scapegoat black men and dismiss anything her opposition has to say. She's basically a slightly more intelligent and considerably more racist version of Jackson Hinkle or Infrared. It's boring. I'm out.
She will turn into the next Lav---eventually Destiny will realize that she is less interesting and more problematic, inflammatory and damaging than he wants to accept right now. Then he will push back or do something to taint their relationship, then she will go scorched earth and Destiny will have to move on to the next cycle of "interesting person". BUUUT this process will likely result in black content creators distancing himself from him because Anna is so unhinged, then he will act like he doesnt know what happened OR that he was right in giving space and voice to Anna, even tho she add nothing of use to any space she occupies.
OOOOOOR we explore the idea that Destiny has entered a Black-issues arc and will not last lol lol
@@robinsonc5 What people like you don't seem to realise is that because of Anna, we've had all these black people on talking about their experiences and perspectives. If Destiny didn't talk to her and have her on multiple times, do you think we still would have gotten all this content?
That's why he's been continuing to platform her, not just because she's interesting.
@@TheRedHaze3 black ppl have been having panels and these discussions for a long time. Prime Kay's had an all black panel years before this drama...Destiny didn't need to bring the loudest and most vitriolic of the black RUclips community into his limelight in order to engage in these conversations.
you said, he's using her, her race, and her ignorance for content.
Why do you think he chosen her over all other black content creators to host limelight in these convos?
@@robinsonc5 He didn't choose Anna over anyone.
Destiny will platform basically anyone who asks.
So if those black creators wanted to talk to him about black issues, that's on them for not contacting him. It's not like he hasn't talked to black people about black issues before.
The reason I would say this mini-arc is different to, say, the few conversations he's had with Fanatiq about black issues, is that it's become a much bigger thing, spanning multiple hours-long videos, so it's getting a lot more attention.
@@robinsonc5 Perhaps he is "using" her for content. But would that be such a bad thing. She gets a huge platform and Destiny gets entertaining content. Ana is not a representative for black people. She is a black person. Her being an idiot is well within her right. We have so many dipshit alt righters and red pillers who are almost exclusively white and male. It's good to show that all people, regardless of their gender, color or creed can be morons.
My brain melted out of my head when they started talking about religion
40 IQ religious talk.
Facts. He literally tried to use the Bible for every take. It’s funny that he claims “I need to read that verse for myself” when Destiny read out the verse about the tonic to abort a baby. I don’t think people realize that same tonic has killed innocence just from suspicion for the man. Also does he not realize there was a slave Bible? Like why is the Bible the end all be all for these Bible thumpers.
@@johnlonne7062 Nothing to do with race. It’s just that religious people tend to be less educated and more gullible. This applies to black too as the younger blacks who are more educated and less religious than their older counterparts.
@@NothingElseMattersJM less educated? What about the scientists and doctors and astronauts who believe in god.
@@reinman5651 Yea they exist but I’m talking about averages
“No one is saying the Black American experience isn’t unique”
Except that was exactly what was said in the previous video. Beyond that there is meat to the bones of this conversation. There is a discussion to be had about both ends if the Systemic/Personal scale. Alot of the broader conversation does tend to limit agency in all the wrong ways, but you do need to meet people where they are.
Christians saying that those who went through tremendous suffering did it because they weren't being true enough to God is absolutely repulsive. That the African slaves were being punished for turning their back on Yeh or that anyone else who suffers through tremendous pain and greif and loss and horrific crimes is being punished by God is such a horrific thing to say, how could you justify that?
Not the only reason, even in the Bible.
as one myself, I hate that argument. It doesn't make sense, and I am yet to see that as an argument in the Bible. Especially since, western africa at the time had no idea about Christianity, so God wouldn't punish them for something they do not know
@@triplemoyagames4195 I'm sorry, I should have said "some Christians." Some of the best people I've met are Christians and also some of the worst. I just think that take of going through tremendous pain and suffering is due to them not being true enough in their faith is horrible and that all the people born before Christianity or don't know of it are in Hell or some terrible limbo. I think faith can be TREMENDOUSLY healing and supportive and can offer guidance and love and structure, i just don't think faith is the end all be all as that guy was saying. That you should be content living in poverty and ill health because if you were a true Christian, you'd be supplied everything you needed. Just wahhhh.
@@hauntedmushroomsasmr7716 Oh yeah I get you. People also forget God doesn't purposefully inflict pain on to his people, especially for no reason.
In fact the book of Job is an example of how bad things can happen to good people. In fact addresses that very argument about how people going through suffering, was due to Job not being close enough to God. That EXACT argument is addressed and stated
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Ngl saying that Mexicans get treated like regular Americans is a clear example that most of these people havent spent more than a week in the usa lol 17:20
Depends on the Mexican. I wouldn't be surprised if MrMouton or Tom Segura get treated like a regular American.
@@TheRedHaze3 That's just delusional though
@@TheRedHaze3 i mean thats true, but thats not what a majority of mexicans look like, thats like say that black people are treated like regular americans because of logic and halsey
@@Hubin12 It's delusional to think that MrMouton or Tom Segura are probably treated like regular Americans?
@@a-ron.5040 It's a good thing I never said the majority of Mexicans look like MrMouton or Tom Segura, then.
We will have to check in with Fanatiq to see if this was okay of Destiny to do, or if he's super racist.
Blacksploitstiny
😂😂 facts
He definitely isn't the best person to do it because he isn't knowledgeable on basic happenings in the black community but I don't think he should be barred from doing it
@@MS-pd7fc i mean he let black people speak and he barely say anything .
@GAkuki le grand générale That's not the point. The point is because of his lack of experience with the topic, he entertains arguments that are falsehoods like the idea the black community in general focuses on systemic racism at the expense of personal responsibility. It's a take that only applies terminally online/leftist black people. The majority of black people are conservative and talk about personal responsibility constantly
Why do people continue to argue about what people "need to acknowledge" if we all understand that nobody is interested in doing so?
!!!
Or what the “need to acknowledge”people need to acknowledge is that people already deeply disagree with them so it’s less “need to acknowledge” and more “need to persuade”; guess that goes for me too!
The “need to acknowledge” statement assumes people already agree with you but are choosing to do the wrong thing.
Welcome to episode 2283739294838 of Destiny not learning his lesson.
Don’s amount of coping in this abortion debate is GOD LEVEL.
😂😂
He is the worst type of christian, his understanding of religion and the scriptures is so surface level and devoid of nuance. He sounded extremely ignorant the whole time. His solution is Jesus... like wtf.
@@risenjoker923 Yeah because the other people were offering brilliant counter arguments right?
@@dxshawn532 other people lack of counter arguments don't make it right. Saying 2 plus 2 equals 12 doesn't make you right just because everyone else everyone else around you says 5.
Finally a calm, mostly, productive conversation... Anna just ruins every conversation on how to help the black community with her terrible attitude and frankly her overt sexism/racism.
Darn it, I thought that bridge was burned.
This was actually disgusting, he couldn’t even finish his introduction without being shut down.
*totally incoherent gibberish
"Does that make sense??"
Destiny: yes
Some of this is frustrating to watch. Fenty literally broke on to the scene with her bi-racial sob story weeks ago, she was able to get it out uncontested and her feelies taken into account. Seems messed up she would essentially step on the experience of BA’s so casually like she did in convo.
Also Don with the “yeah who cares you’re getting lynched and can’t vote when the kingdom in heaven is eternal!!” Like bro comon. Sometimes these guys don’t even scratch the surface of what engagement is.
I take it fenty is Sophie ? Or ? Because Sophie is insufferable
Fenty is on very small list of people that trigger me just by being themselves.
Something about this conversation hits home for me. I am a white American but my family is from Eastern Kentucky where the poverty rate is extremely high, and my family is basically your typical "poor whites." Some people like JD Vance get themselves out of a situation like that and then turn around and say the culture is the problem and welfare is the problem. I have been pretty successful compared to the rest of my family, and while I can recognize that culture is a major factor, there is so much more at play. Clinical depression, anxiety, debt upon debt, not knowing where to find resources, lack of social skills required for professional environments, and so much more. These people don't even know where to start, and it isn't their fault! If you want to prescribe a "boot straps" mentality for these communities, then by its very nature, only of a portion of the population will make it out! That's survival of the fittest, and it's not broad enough to help an entire community! People who have this POV are so blind to their own privilege, whatever form it may take.
This religious talk is so dull. It's like arguing over your favorite super hero, just pointless
BOOOM! Hot take!
I kind of pity them for believing in superhero but at the same time, I want to tell them how stupid of a concept it is.
@@NothingElseMattersJM least condescending atheists
Atheists try not shit talk religion challenge (impossible)
@@MasteRgamer-mk5bp Change my mind.
Bro even confronted with abortion being in the bible Don uses his own interpretation to defend his beliefs
Watching him gold medal mental gymnastics his way into saying it’s ok in this case was magical
Yeah 😢
Tbf I'd say a lot of Christians just have their idea of what makes abortions bad and they don't actually use Christian theology to back it up.
It is my understanding that there's no theology behind the position of the spirit being any part of the pregnancy until a baby is born and breathing.
They just really like that life begins at conception line. But don't address how there's multiple complications that have the outcomes of a failure to carry a baby to term.
Its not his own interpretation. Its in the bible. God in the old testament before the new covenant, was Eye for an eye. Tooth for a tooth. Even in the old testament killing a fetus means you pay with your life. This verse means if the child is conceived out of marriage it shall be killed. Those laws were given for a specific people for a specific time. Old testament : eye for an eye. New testament: turn your other cheek. Because all the laws have been fulfilled through christ. So now we don't have to follow unnecessary 613 laws given to the Jews.
I get Don’s argument, but to say find Jesus as the solution feels extremely reductive. Especially considering the fact that that solution is more idealistic than realistic. Converting people to Christianity is a challenge in itself, and getting them to be truly spiritual and faithful is even more difficult, especially when everyone would be doing it for different reasons, if u want to fix the black community as a whole you’d need develop solutions that start with the lowest common denominator and build up from there, and if I had to guess, that denominator isn’t spirituality or family values, it’s education and economics.
What this panel needs is me a white English man to explain the black American experience.
Facts!
We already have Erin in that role
Conner lowkey did well when LTG and Jideon were talking out their ass🤣
When I worked in social work one of the most eye-opening realizations I made was that areas and communities are not a certain way or have certain problems because of the people that live in them but because of the type of housing that is in those communities and their affordability. Because when people are lifted up from their level of poverty, they will simply move and will be replaced by someone else who is back on the old level of poverty. Certain areas will always keep their issues because they will be filled with people with those issues.
This is very true. I remember seeing research a while ago, it might have even been talked about on Destiny’s stream once, showing that most of the high-crime, gang-infested areas in America have always been high-crime, gang-infested areas. Even when they were inhabited by other ethnic groups.
Used to be a social worker too and this is true statement
Also the communities who live in these areas typically are not going to leave these areas as often bc they are unaware of the potential possibilities they might have out there to better themselves. This being due to well, ignorance. That isn’t their fault but this type of cycle will perpetuate over and over no matter what.
@Jessie You simply need to invest more resources into these areas to help guide people forward and upward out of levels of being disenfranchised. In a way it is almost desirable to have people close to eachother, since you can have a central place that is visible that everyone can go to for assistance. The downside, however can be getting overly policed and "hanging out with the wrong crowd" more easily.
The one thing I saw that was the most important was a multi-disciplinary approach where all engaged systems (school, social work, police, local employers, local business, etc.) would have regular meetings to have some kind of 360 degree approach of systems around people, rather than trying to just throw money at the problem(s).
@@Alyyyyy Yup, stickiness at the ends. It might also be seen as "selling out" or even "race trading" if you move out once you've made it.
Straighterade is a pretty good orbiter. She is willing to 1v2 while queen destiny plays her factory game. Kinda wild she just got picked up from some change my mind debate
"The book of Exodus says 'Though shall not murder'". It also tells you to buy slaves, and how to treat them. Cherry picking from Exodus is a baaaaaad idea.
To be fair, that's the average Christian; just pick around the things you don't like and talk about the things that help your argument.
That dude refused to back down on the tone policing of Chaeiry, it’s like he dug himself too deep and didn’t want to admit he looked silly.
I walked away from this video for 10 minutes and I thought I left autoplay on and ended up on some Black Christian intra doctrinal debates channel.
This debate taught me god is the biggest cop out of any form of critical thinking
There must be some mysterious force in the universe that somehow consistently allows Destiny to house the most lunatic takes about the Black community from extreme ends of differentiating parts of spectrums. It's like watching a movie.
This was a pretty good conversation tho
Their response to solving problems in the black community is actually “Find God” holy shit
As a believer in Christ and follower of His Word, I would like to put a disclaimer that young don does not speak for the whole of us. That is all.
Thank you, I used to be a hard core Christian. I don't think either of those dude understand what they are talking about. They have a very surface level understanding of the Bible.
@@royaltypebros.5915 dude not even💀
Chairey is the new Darius just coming in randomly and yelling
She has a point though, Darius is just schizo.
Nah, Darius has zero chill, he's just there to rage. Chairey is at least trying to engage with what other people are saying, she just get's stuck in attack mode sometimes.
@@frogglesmash simp
@@Zenbon111 And you wonder why Destiny is on a anti- mysogyny arc, this comment here is the reason why.
@@Zenbon111 I don't even know what Chairey looks like.
Exodus 21:22 says that if two men are fighting and a pregnant woman is injured, thus resulting in her miscarriage, the offending man must pay a fine. If the bible considered this murder, he would either be imprisoned or executed. Instead, he simply pays a fee like he would for damaged property.
Trying to argue against religious radicals is completely nonsensical, it's so exhausting.
Exodus 21:23 goes on to say:
But if there is further injury, the punishment must match the injury: a life for a life,
Exodus 21:23 NLT
Very deceitful take there.
its ok to disagree with what you're hearing but lying about something we all have the ability to research is just dumb. Come on now
@@scroopynoopers9824 21:22 is talking about paying a fine for miscarriage, 21:23 is saying if the wife dies then punishment is death. Basically, miscarriage is bad, but it's not the same as actual murder.
No no. It says that it her fruit departs from her, but no further injury is caused, he must only pay the fee. It's then up to interpretation if he meant no injury follows as reference to the woman or the child.
Yes but thats not the same as the mother or father choosing to kill the baby. These laws were given for specific people at a specific time. Old testament: eye for an eye. New testament: turn your other cheek. Abortion is murder. No matter how hard people try to justify it.
There is even slaves in the old testament. Like again. You are trying to bring up the old testament with out any context or without knowing anything about the bible or the new covenant. None of you people have read the bible in its entirety. You dont know why their were 613 some laws and how all of then were fulfilled through jesus. You read it to find fault.
I wanna see the Nick Fuentes vs Annalisia debate
So chaos 🤣
Would be 15 mins of gold lol
They wouldn’t even debate I bet. I have a feeling they’d just shit on black men toego
Anna: A-A-ARE F-ING KIDDING ME RIGHT NOW? STEEEEVEEEEEEEN!
Nick: See black women on average are more masculine than even white men because they lead by black queens like Cardi B.
That would be so cursed
L panel no abaW majj
Young Don is delusional 🙂
Condescending AF almost every time he speaks. Kinda cringe. Unfortunately he has a nice-sounding voice and isn't hyper-aggressive like Ana so he's probably gonna stick around 😢
Young delusional
Listening to people who clearly haven’t read the Bible talk about religion is cancer
When you bring illogical religion to a logical discussion you get a boring conversation
Sadly following Jesus to get your daily bread doesn’t matter if you literally can’t buy bread
4:23 sofia shitting all over the guy and his dead dad is crazy
She is an insufferable c**t with nothing good to say all her arguments are essentially read off a paper
While I can understand Young Don's passion, he is not ready for these debates. He converted a few months ago and that is not enough time to fully understand the Bible in its entirety, nor is it enough time to even get good in apologetics.
destiny said he didnt like the misogynism from the community when he brought girls like lav, does this also goes for racism towards black men?
Was this really 'Last night on Destiny' tho?
“Infedelius” 😂
That's stronger spell than fetus deletus
Destiny, can you do a panel with the people I am least interested in having a coffee with? Please!!
I didn't think there would be somebody more easily hateable than Lav, but there's Analicia.
Sophie is pretty hate worthy
As soon as I heard Don bring up Jesus I instantly hated this conversation
Yes, aborted babies are, in fact, big chillin' in paradise.
An unironically funny statement
I don’t understand why they are misconstruing the previous discussions.
I need to start a channel where I only fact check what people say happened in previous panels.
Please do. We can stop this BS and prevent another Lab from appearing.
Pleaseeeee do that
is that guy saying - we cant have this conversations if these people are bringing up this shit called 'data'
Not sure why destiny keeps bringing women on to bash black men its getting weird
Black people being racist: “We joking around here”
This convo somehow got better and worse at the same time
No thuggery allowed
Bro Anna makes me just not wanna even watch destiny debates cause I know it's bout to be some bs she don't ever contribute ish like this is getting old now
This is all off the wall 😆🤣😂
Don is such a bot anytime he’s asked a question or speaks he just quotes the Bible it’s sooooo annoying
Me and my “pagan worshiping” ancestors are amazed by how much work the word “given” is doing in the phrase, “We weren’t given a complete Christianity”.
No "infidellyyess" 🤣
Josh is a stand up brother and definitely was a good choice for the panel. Wish he would’ve been able to speak a bit more without being cutoff but he was very interesting and insightful. I also agree that the church and religion was put in place to not only keep us obedient but as a silencer to keep us in “our” place. Church isn’t the only answer we need to take action and make moves to improve our own surroundings. Waiting on Jesus to fix it all for us without working on our own issues will leave us all looking crazy.
Church can be a great answer if you actually followed the bible you would know it’s not waiting for Jesus to save you it gives you principles to live by which will lead to better outcomes in the black community which has some problematic culture
America in general needs financial literacy and media literacy so people have a fundamental understanding of economics at a young age and being able to understand the media you consume without it having a negative effect on decision making.
The Black Experience arc is wild.
“Say it again” etc are literally someone giving a warning and/or a chance to walk back what you said. Otherwise you’re fighting. Every guy knows that.
Excluding the legal sense could your capability to have self responsibility be diminished by not having people in life who hold you accountable on some sort of value system
im not a great public speaker, but its so hard to listen to people talk at length when they stumble over their words more than their thoughts.
Amen brother Don
54:20
I love listening to him waffle and stammer after being confronted with that bible verse.
Old testament: eye for an eye. New testament: turn your other cheek. Those laws were given for specific people at a specific time. All those laws have been fulfilled through jesus. Now we dont have to follow 613 laws for us to be saved.
But props to Steven for moderating this convo
Get Annalise and Black Don outta here
and the rest as well.
Christian apologetics is already cringe, novice christian apologetics is so much worse.
Don got some wild views love to see him and destiny 1on1
Young don say it with your chest
The system does not stop at your door, it dictates your entire life.
I want to ask Destiny
If it took him 4-5 hours on call with a single person to set up these panels
Well if it was, that CERTAINLY wouldn't be a sign of romantic connection
😏 I see what you did there
No offense I like Don but he literally doesn’t have to refer to the Bible for every argument. Since everyone on this planet isn’t Christian make arguments that pertain to all not a select group.
Also saying “Would becoming Christian reduce acts of evil and killing” is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard in my life. Like does he not realize there have been countless lives taken for the sake of a crusade. Those crusades had so much blood spilled it’s almost laughable to act like it never happened or people didn’t justify killing for the sake of religion.
As an Athiest hearing these guys struggle so hard to explain religious things or the bible is hilarious.
I actually enjoyed this conversation
Most Christian’s are casual Christian’s in the first place. Even people with a lot of faith are shallow in the understanding of their religion unfortunately.
And here we have the classic "look guys imma cool atheist" comment
@Wanted Only you think they're being cool. They're just a person talking about the funny dichotomy of knowing more than these Christian's about Christianity as an atheist. Wouldn't you admit that it's funny and sad too honestly since Christian's *should* know more about Christianity than someone who isn't?
@@diego032912 See your first mistake was thinking the assclowm above you was making a good faith argument. Your second was thinking their capable of intelligent and complex thought. Clearly you're wrong on both counts
But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
Matthew 6:33
This verse has way more sauce than u would first think
Verse sharking is similar to clip chimping in many ways
Destiny favorite word “wait, wait, wait” 🤣🤣🤣
Don is insane in the membrane but I do like hearing his perspective since beyond him getting a lot wrong when it comes to prescribing god as a solution to everything, sometimes he comes from a unique angle you don't hear often which is very interesting
It's impossible to take that guy seriously if he thinks american law is based on the bible. American law is based on english common law, which doesn't have much to do with the bible at all.
You don't need religion to figure out that murder is bad.
@@FxckRacism that doesn't even mean anything.
@@FxckRacism no, its based on common law and the bible. Bcuz common law comes from influences the bible and the hammurabi code. What u speaking on are not laws. Those are bills, executive orders, policies, and regulations. Laws are for the interest of society. Bcuz ppl are using them interchangeably it causes confusion. A real law hasnt been passed from the USA in a long time. Thats why its easy to take these things back, vs a law, which would have a long process to switch or amend.
There's Bible stories that are generationally past down and the concepts are what's taken into consideration for Liberal philosophy in the laws around the US.
Also the all men created equal and have the same intrinsic rights is only realistically foundational if there's a God belief being used to determine what's right and wrong with criminal acts.
Probably based more on Roman and Greek law then anything form the Bible. A little like Jesus's message mostly just being a repackaged Stocisim.
@@FxckRacism There's actual documented history of where laws come from, so you don't have to make up surface level shit to know how we got them.
I hate how uninformed americans are about race in Latin America
Its a little annoying that destiny says he is going on an anti-misogyny arc but then dosent push back a single time when the religious dude says "let girls be girls" in response to chaeriy arguing that she has a right to be angry with anna. Its such a dumb/misogynistic comment, considering destiny has gotten into countless screaming matches and heated exchanges with other guys, and not once does he attribute his anger to the irrationality of the male brain. More dudes scream at other dudes than girls scream at other girls, but as soon as chaeriy does it, the religious guy says "let girls be girls".
Fuckin cringe.
Your just looking pass the context innit.
Yeah, probably true.
I've realized when guys raise their voices, and not being emotional about a discussion, it's because they recognize a dangerous situation and they speak loudly to get people's attention to bring an awareness to a problem.
The girls haven't seemed to figure out how guys react to raised voices. I'd say the dudes who are just as emotional as the women when they are yelling at each other don't work toward fixing any of the breakdown in communication.
It doesn't do any good to want to be heard and not also offer a better solution than what's being agreed on.
Can anyone link me the Bible vs about abortion???
I hate when people with money tell other who are poor and struggling, "Money isn't everything," especially when they made money BEFORE becoming religious. In my opinion its pointless worrying about spiritual needs before your physical needs are met (hierarchy of needs)
Is Destiny purposefully platforming so many awful people to make his crew look amazing in comparison?
This be his crew, bro, no cap
Hey I got a recommendation destiny
Put a time stamp fro when things get heated, those are the most entertaining moments
Timestamps are the difference between 8s and 10s
I wasn't expecting this video to turn into a Bible reading club... Interesting though... Maybe Destiny scrutinizing the Bible could be a series...
Reverend Destinty enters debate
Sorry but I overall agree with Cheiry. Buddy was acting holier then thou when Ana was in the wrong. There is no talking respectfully to Ana cause she doesn't let anyone talk.
*1:30** this guy sounds like edp445 lmao*
Ok, I think I preferred Anna's bigoted screeching over "let's bring skydaddy into politics" dudes. Yikes. Just, absolutely yikes. It's all fun and games when it's your skydaddy in power. Just wait til someone else's skydaddy gets enough popular support to take the reins you created for them. Jesus, people are dumb.
Moderate religious folks are fine but the whole sky wizard controls everything and forms the basis of morality is laughable in 2022 lol. I prefer the Anna screeching too lol.
sometimes hear church organs throughout this video. No idea why
I've waited for a decade to hear a black person say that the Nordics (where I live) are prosperous because we don't have black people. I had my money on Owens, but she's been outcandaced it seems.
Well, b/c it seems the Black community was doing great before they ended segregation & started the Welfare programs.
(At least it what I hear from the Black Community, & Black Activists & Academics).
Well, before the Black Community was Integrated, they had no "Systemic' issues, right?
This dom guy is insufferable sometimes
95% of the time
@@NothingElseMattersJM Galileo GIGACHAD spittin fax dawg
Where does don join!
Preston Garvey lmao !!!
Everytime young don comes on i like him more and more
As a christian, its lowkey comforting to see other christian representation in these debates. I find it to be a similar feeling when you see someone making a point you’d make, or argue a view that you might have.
@@wama2002 sad.
sad.
At 57:40 .. and this is why debating with religious people is impossible. Where does he have this "insider" knowledge on what the bible/god means with their words? Like, come on. This is futile.
It is not "knowledge" it is FAITH!
I find it funny that they talked about colorism throughout this and no one brought it up lol
When ppl debate I hate when they speak in sbsolutes & as if every differing point is mutually exclusive. Blk ppl can be systemically opressed & also not taking initiative to better themselves despite of it. The system can be the problem & the individual/ group can be part of that same problem.
@Jessie these are general ideas but things like prison reform, affordable housing and more funding for education would be good places to start