F1's next big moves in wide open 2025 driver market
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- Опубликовано: 7 май 2024
- There wasn't any movement on the Formula 1 grid between the end of last season and the start of 2024, but the 2025 driver market has already been blown wide open.
Lewis Hamilton's move to Ferrari leaves a vacancy at Mercedes while the recent Red Bull turmoil has even put into question Max Verstappen's future at the team.
Fernando Alonso might be weighing up one last roll of the driver market dice and who will form the final Sauber line-up before Audi enters F1?
Scott Mitchell-Malm and Ben Anderson join Glenn Freeman to discuss all that and more.
0:00 2025 F1 driver market
1:02 What's Alonso's game plan?
2:32 Mercedes' pitch for Verstappen
5:06 Red Bull casts a wider net
7:33 Where Audi fits in
10:53 Pressure from below
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Its almost like we need another team with two open seats available
Two more RB cars, the team could be called BR for example.
@@st200olWith Andretti sponsorship. The team could be called... BRA
andretti.
Maybe Ferrari and Mercedes can start a B team with the money they have left over because of the budget cap Xd
I’d much rather we first sort out the quality of the grid, rather than the quantity of cars on it. F1 should first aim for every single seat on the grid be occupied by talented drivers that will bring performance to a team. I can think of at least 3 driver who could be replaced tomorrow with someone better, as of right now. Only if we’re still facing a situation whereby talented young drivers are not getting a chance, will I strongly advocate for there to be a new team. Andretti was exciting, it’s a shame they were rejected, but the door is still open for 2028 and I’m very much in the opinion that it was done on purpose.
The worst drinking game ever is taking a shot everytime Ben Anderson blinks
You Will be drunk after 2 min and dead before the end of the video
Wow, yea.
I hope I'll be able to unsee it before next time, it's quite unnerving.
Bro's tweaking
I thought it was a still image a few times
its suicide to do lol
Ben, if you're being held hostage. just blink
perfect..haha
Came here for this.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha I came here to write: has his video frozen
everyone still completely overlooks lawson which amazes me, he came in with very little preparation and really showed yuki up, even at his home race
He won’t get the RB seat but will probably replace Ricciardo next season
He didn't show yuki up. He did really well and beyond expectations though.
@@AyoSosanyathis season you mean…
@@wowareolysLawson and Tsunoda should join BMW AAR F1 Team for real life 2025 F1 Season.
@@perfectfantasies
He was below 3 tenths slower in qualifying on average (much closer than De Vries or what Ricciardo is doing currently) and he beat him 3-1 in the races showing much superior race-craft (especially in Japan, was also faster on average when they had same tire length).
Yes, he did show Yuki up, with couple more races, he would blow him away.
If Audi were building a team rather than taking over one, and Andretti were coming in there'd be 4 more seats available, and that would be far more exciting to me than "musical chairs."
agreed!
We don’t need more backmarkers lol, that’s what those two teams would be in their infancy. Current grid needs to sort its shit out. There’s already too many drivers that have not demonstrated that they belong in the pinnacle of Motorsport. Should get that sorted before some other shit teams are introduced. You think Andretti and Audi will be competing for podiums in their first few years? Keep dreaming!
@@EnfvntTerrible This Pinnacle of Motorsport is actually hilarious. F1 legit isnt in the top 10 series worldwide maybe even top 30 tbh, heck its not even the Best FIA series or single seater series, far from it.
F1 was popularised for innovation that can be applied on the roads, doesnt do that now thats Wecs job now, its a sport which means its entertainment, doesnt do that at all unlike every other series out there.
The idea we dont need more backmarkers is fine & all but you are basically saying it should be a 1 out, 0 in game & that nobody should ever get in. Which & fun fact F1 started as "who can build the best car, come challenge us" How did it fall so far from grace to become a closed group? Pinnacle of motorsport lol
It would be very alonso to get a Merc drive while they are crap
Max and Fernando on RB, that would me amazing
Imagine Max and Ocon instead (hell would be destroyed)
33 likes on this comment is too appropriate for me to ruin! #33
@@PieterFret Nope.
Multi 111 or multi 333. Nothing else matters.
@@leoarevalo6786no. Makima and Verstappen.
what's weird is that he raced against max's dad.....in fernando's early F1 career....
watch Checo just extend his contract mid season
:(
Even Mexicans don't want that to happen
He better not
If he keeps it up till Spain, he’ll probably get a new contract. Then that’ll kill the whole market
He's doing the job they signed him up for. He's the 1st driver able to do that in the Verstappen era at RB. I don't see why they'd drop him.
Pérez vs Riccardo? Please, I don't know why you guys still talk about Riccardo 😂😂
Riccardo is a wash
for real, dude belongs on a reality tv show like survivor or big brother rather than in an f1 seat. Never really understood the hype around him, i've always thought him to have a very mediocre career for how long he's been driving.
@@EnfvntTerrible agreed. but the unfortunate reality is, a huge part of f1 is garnering fans for your team and sponsorships. and companies are more willing to sponsor a driver that many people like. the fact that danny ric has so many fans is the only reason he's still in f1. he's been given way too many second chances, and hasn't performed since his time at red bull. however, rb and red bull are gonna continue to keep him so they can do all their PR events with him and cash in the views!
@@fruitygranulizer540 you're 100% right, unfortunately the sport is more focused on marketing and revenue than the actual racing nowadays i fear. Hell, even in the 90's and early 2000's none of the drivers spoke half as much shite in an entire season as ricciardo does in a post race interview. Even though he may be a marketing ploy by RB i don't see him being in F1 much longer, the facade he's been hiding behind is slowly fading away. He's getting older, 36 now i believe, and he hasn't gotten any better either, only down from here for old mate.
Yep. As an Aussie I'm 100% behind Oscar........
Christ how many lines did Ben do before this podcast?
Alonso in a Red Bull would be something to see
He would be destroy by Max, off-prime and his style is intrinsically slower anyway (longer corners, very brutal steering inputs).
Alonso in a Red Bull could be a bad option since, Setsuna Yuki also potentially in the Red Bull seat for 2025 if Sainz rejected the offer.
@@quentinhirschfeld9382sure dude 💀💀💀
@@purwantiallan5089helmet Marlo has said they have not seen any reason to put yuki in the seat yet, also, yuki is a Honda driver. Honda will be with Aston
@@quentinhirschfeld9382 "off prime " DTS fan spotted
The most awful thing about redbull is, If Danny had the qually and race results that Yuki currently has in 2024, he would be in serious contention for the red bull seat.
Yeah Daniel is done
It’s mainly because Red Bull the team really wanted to work with him again, it’s frustrating for them that he’s not good enough
Perez safe yet again
I didn’t know the season was over yet…
Umm no, he wouldn't. Just as Tsunoda has zero chance of a Red Bull seat.
Quali
Don't let this distract you from the fact that Andretti was rejected from being the 11th team
A lot of people keep saying that Antonelli will go to Williams, but you have been ignoring what Vowles has been saying many many times: Williams will give preference to their own drivers. They don't want to be simple placeholders anymore.
Also, so far, Antonelli hasn't shown a great deal yet. Shoehorning him into F1 next year may be very damaging
Well unless Williams starts seriously performing that's all they're going to be a placeholder team and they have been for a long time. People want both Antonelli and Bearman in an F1 seat although ideally in a seat where they can build experience. Williams seems a fairly obvious choice for Antonelli if they get rid of the useless Sargeant. Meanwhile Haas they have two seats occupied by two older drivers who are definitely looking past their sell by date. Perfect place for Bearman to go and get some experience.
Bearman in Haas next year is an almost 100% thing.
But you can't compare Haas to Williams in any way.
Gene Haas wants to spend as little money as possible, he is very happy buying everything he can from Ferrari and not having top drivers.
That's one of the reasons Guenther left the team.
Williams on the other hand seems very serious in "making it great again".
Again, it's not MY opinion, it's what James Vowles himself said many times: he wants Williams to stop being a back marker and placeholder team.
Will they achieve that? I hope so, but of course you can't be sure.
Also, Kimi Antonelli hasn't shown anything spectacular so far.
Of course, F2 has had only three races so far (six, if you count the sprints) and there are more 11 rounds to go. He can improve.
But so far he's been a tad behind the drivers that are on their second or third season.
I'm not saying he's a bad driver. He clearly is not. But his lack of experience is, so far, very obvious.
@@gabrieldias3479 if you look at antonelli's junior career so far it's been amazing. Unfortunately skipping f3 may not have been the best idea, I think he might need a couple of seasons in f2 if he doesn't end up fighting for the championship by the end of the season
Williams are a customer Merc team, I’m sure a few million off the engine deal would help. Money talks.
@@gabrieldias3479Williams won’t be great again unless they become a works team. They don’t have owners who are able to throw money at the project and other teams will move forward quicker. The only way they might win a race or two is if they exploit a grey area in the new regs like Brawn did.
Yuki to Aston Martin wouldn't surprise me as they are gonna team up with Honda in 2026, and they always loved their Japanese drivers
I expect to see Maki Nishikino partnering Tsunoda for AMR HONDA in 2026.
@@purwantiallan5089 could be
Honda wants to win. Not provide fan service. If Stroll leaves, Yuki is realistic. If not, highly, highly unlikely.
Can't you guys just normalize the volume of different vids? This vid is so quiet and some tried to bust my eardrum with the same volume.
I swear I thought it was just my phone fr
Now that would take way too much effort for their small channel 😂
They’re as incompetent at audio quality as they are at F1 analyses.
Red Bull should do an April Fools thing by posting that they're replacing Sergio with Mazepin for 2025
Completely forgot about mazepin even existing
It's time for a fresh group of new drivers. It's been so stagnant for so long. Would love to see Bottas, Stroll, Perez, and Riccairdo all get dropped and see new faces in. Bearman, Lawson, Drugovich all need to be in F1 next year.
Ben Anderson 😳
man niko deserves a chance to drive a big boy car. i’d love to see him compete
If mercedes can convince verstappen to drive for them I personally will be blown away, not necessarily because I don't think mercedes can be good for 2026 but because I was/am convinced that verstappen holds something against mercedes after silverstone. Perhaps I was/am incredibly wrong, but we will have to see if that happens because I think verstappen will probably stay at red bull.
I think If he was holding anything against anyone it’d be against Lewis, but he’s also mature enough to know that both teams were toxic as hell towards eachother during that season
That's most likely the most reasonable take I have heard on this, but it's hard to know for sure until something wild happens, IF something wild happens, HUGE IF.@@sayl3ss_663
For some reason my reply to you got deleted. Just wanna say that your take there is probably the most reasonable take I hear about this. Hopefully this reply doesn't also vanish.@@sayl3ss_663
I feel like the biggest challenge would be that even Hamilton felt Mercedes had no future. If Mercedes were threatening to be competitive soon, Hamilton wouldn't have jumped ship.
@@sayl3ss_663 true he made a tweet about the fact that he was really unhappy with Lewis celebrating after the race while Verstappen himself was in hospital
Everyone is afraid to say Felipe Drugovich's name.
Not to mention Lawson, he killed it last year in Riciardo's seat
@@florisbackx1744Killed it? One lucky P9 and our qualified every time except for when Yuki got impeded in Singapore. Yeah, the guy who couldn’t beat Sargeant in F2, killed it…
so glad i found this channel for my F1 needs all around amazing productions. keep up the great work.
I really wish people would stop pretending that Max is really going to leave red bull while they’re dominating
Rumours exist for a reason. He's said it himself, If Marko goes, so does he. There's a clear rift at Red Bull. De Vries was Horner's decision, not Marko's. Sam with Riccardo. Horner isn't just the TP of Red bull racing anymore, he's pretty much the boss of all of Red Bull in Formula one.
@@TheJonesdudeDe Vries was Marko's decision and not Horner's bud.
i really wish you took your infos with the right dealer dude. Max will not move anywhere. he'll quit F1 if Redbull falls apart. he's a man of faith and he said "my career will be with Redbull". so, he'll quit if Redbull falls apart. propbably going to WEC or whatever floats his boat.
You have been killing it with the F1 content this season. I actually check your channel everyday for a new video and my ritual is making a good meal at home and sitting down with it in front of computer to watch F1 videos! cheers
lol, they suck. Do more research.
@@The_ZeroLine They're entertaining and someone's opinion, u don't have to agree with everything to enjoy it.
We have all these good/great drivers needing seats and yet the FOM says no to a new team.
Conversations about whether Verstappen will go to Mercedes make the team look better than conversations about Hamilton leaving or car performance. It’s in Wolff’s interest to make that the headline
My guess:
ALO > RedBull,
SAI > Mercedes,
RIC > exit,
LAW > RB,
SAR > exit
PER > Williams / Austin Martin
But Sainz CLEARLY deserves better.
What about the talk of Honda wanting Yuki at Aston for '26?
How in the world can you mention Bearman and not mention Lawson? Knowing what the Ferrari can do Beasrman's performance was serviceable at best, Lawson straight up competed with drivers in equal of better cars over several races.
Agreed
Indycar, WEC, Formula E should have a lot of inquiries at second half of this season.
lol looks like checo signed for a year extension.
Peter Windsor seems to agree
I do enjoy these types of videos with a range of different opinions.
2:50 That's Toto playing games, 100%! Something Horner would not be above as well.
If I ruled F1, this is how I'd shake things around next year. Some feasible, some hmmmm, but none impossible. One thing is for sure, racing would get more interesting.
2025 shuffle:
Ferrari: Hamilton + Leclerc
Red Bull: Sains + Alonso
Mercedes: Verstappen + Russell
McLaren: Piastri + Norris
Aston Martin: Albon + Stroll
Toro Rosso: Lawson + Tsunoda
Williams: Antonelli + Drugovich
Haas: Bearman + Hulkenberg
Sauber: Bottas + Guanyu
Alpine: Gasly + Ocon
2025 grid will look insane !!
Lance Stroll (Rolling)
(Strolling)
Guys taking up a grid spot every year because he's rich
@@jeanpepin6497average driver
Funny to see how Newey is also someone who's being treated as a someone who might switch teams. Doubt he'll move tho.
Imagine Audi manage to snag him up… that would cause chaos! 😅
Then, and only then would signing for Audi/Sauber be a decent mid-term move.
Newey moving to Mercedes in 2026 could be a dream scenario.
@@wowareolyshe’s 65 years old, would be really want to join another ‘project’ after Red Bull?
@@gavlptvbk8665 yeah, idk… If he’s like Kimi and it’s more like a hobby to him and they offer him the right things (not necessarily monetary).
But you’re right, highly unlikely.
@@gavlptvbk8665 Lawrence Stroll could offer him a substantial retirement pay cheque. Why retire having holidays in the Maldives when you can retire in the Maldives.
Dumping Carlos for Lewis is the most "Ferrari being Ferrari" thing in a while. I guess they'll sell A LOT of Lewis+Ferrari T-shirts, and Ferrari is a T-shirt/hat company after all...
Alonso to Redbull would be awesome. F1 fans would love that. I think it would be a Senna/Prost type setup.
Danny Ric right now is looking like he's killed his career. I think Yuki is going to Aston because Honda is going to be there soon.
Jos and Max wouldn’t want Alonso at Red Bull
Sainz could try another form of motorsport even if he isn't signed in 2025. Any team would willingly sign him taking his commitment to succeed into consideration. He'll have a relaxed career too compared to the likes of F1.
There is a possibility that Logan Sargeant & Danny Ric may lose their seats next year. So Sainz has a bunch of options open to be written off as unemployed. We'll definitely be hearing that Sainz got picked up by a good team at least before round 7 - 8 maybe?
dont forget liam lawson also promised a seat by RB next season
Great discussion.
Ben, please blink. It's okay to blink. Blinking is normal and healthy. Plus you won't look startled all the time...
Imagine still thinking Max will leave RBR.
Is it just me or do people not get the massive hype around Audi? I understand its a massive brand with deep pockets and rich racing history but we've seen teams like Toyota, Jaguar etc with deep pockets etc but still fail to extract results. Someone please explain the hype around Audi please... even better make a video on it/ "Why the current grid should keep an eye on Audi" or "Why Mid Field drivers or Lower Mid Field Drivers should consider Audi"
Newey is the key of all. RB doesn't have him, all is lost.
Media trying to get Perez out of that redbull seat since day one, I have a feeling that they’ll be frustrated once again…
Hey y'all made it to a million subscribers, you should release a 10 hr F1 ASMR to celebrate
yuki should partner albon at williams next year. I feel like they’d both really push eachother with albon being just slightly better
Gasly and Sainz moving to Sauber, soon to be Audi, would really help Audi hit the ground running when they are officially on the grid in 2026.
As you guys said, Audi do things properly and could become a real force to be reckoned with.
I feel like Liam Lawson has been forgotten in this conversation a bit.
All but confirmed he's taking ric's seat
Imagine if an Andretti Cadillac entry was in the table for 2026
Lawson should just go to Audi to have a long term seat
What about Liam Lawson?
And don't forget Liam Lawson for up and coming drivers, he's a good candidate for a seat soon as well
Sainz to Red Bull seems like a great move for him and RB. Get the younger drivers in, Antonelli and Bearman. We do not need Richiardo or Bottas. Alonso can just stay at AM, then retire.
My opinion is Alonso is starting to look like a long game not a short game anymore. That man is like he respawned and entered f1 again. If he gets into a good team he'll surely play the long game.
I disagree. Alonso jumps from seat to seat finding the faster car. He doesn't help develop a team. As a team, is he really a good option if he ditches once another seat opens up?
What long game? Clearly he’s jumping ship from Aston Martin soon, he’ll be pining for Mercedes or Red Bull
@@Duval-In-The-Wall that's why I am saying if he goes to a good team
@@gr8gr8n
Well yeah but that’s not a long game, that’s just jumping to the best opportunity available
If Checo keeps up his rate of P2s 2/3 of the time, I suspect he'll just keep his seat 🤷
If red bull can get sainz they'd be insane not to take him.
Don't forget Liam Lawson
That photo at 6:19 😅
My 2025 predictions…
Ferrari - Lewis/Charles
Red Bull - Alonso/Verstappen
Mercedes - Sainz/Rusell
McLaren - Lando/Piastri
Aston Martin - Perez/Stroll
RB - Tsunoda/Lawson
Sauber(Audi) - Albon/Bottas
Haas - Hulkenberg/Bearman
Williams - Magnussen/Kimi
Alpine - Gasly/Ocon
Why on earth would ocon and gasly re sign with the French shit show
i think hülkenberg is really attractive for audi as well. he has proven himself in the haas and also audi would want at least one german on the grid
Yeah Audi are adamant they want Sainz and nico for 2026
"ashoom" haha
I was really hoping that Ben Anderson wouldn't have anything to say and would just be there looking into the camera in silence for 11 minutes straight. Not because I don't want him to speak, I just think it would be funny
He does look as if something/someone spooked him!
F1 should financially reward teams for taking on top drivers from lower classes. Too many mediocre drivers who keep their seats because they are "good enough" or "safe options", not enough churn and fresh talent.
Now there's a thought.
It doesn't even have to be straight up cash. Raise the team's cost cap by 10x what they pay the rookie (assuming a max rookie salary or 1m a year? I don't know how much rookies are paid). Give the team more wind tunnel time, or an extra engine replacement slot.
But, yes, incentives to take in rookies would be a good idea, especially for the lower midfield who DO tend to favor older drivers because they'd rather have the "sure hands" thing than, say, what they saw Mick do.
Then bottom end teams like Haas will end up signing Mazepin regens every year.
Why wouldn't you want a safe option in an F1 car?
I don't get this philosophy of putting external control on a team's important decisions. Just for fan service? Come on. Let them do what they think is best with their own cars.
@@lightfeather9953 Why are you even watching F1 then? 90% of the sport is seeing how teams work within the rules and restrictions placed upon them.
@@TheJonesdude No, he was a pay driver. Same as Stroll and many before him. Restrict it to the top couple of drivers in F2, maybe the winner of F3. Drivers must still qualify for a super license, obviously. Let's see some new talent in the sport!
I wish there is a possibility of Vettel being in the picture as well. F1 needs more WC’s on the grid and Vettel has experience and speed (if you remember second half of 2022)
Gringos aways forget foreigners..... What about Drugovich?
Probably the 2025 seats:
RB:
Max
Checo
Ferrari:
Charles
Hamilton
Merc:
George
Alonso
Aston:
Sainz
Daddys boi
Hass:
KMag
Ollie
Williams:
Alex
Kimi/Logan
Sauber kick :
Valtteri
Hulkenberg
VCARB:
Yuki
Lawson
Basketcase:
Ocon
Pierre
(Maini if things go batshit at alpine)
McAdvertisements:
Lando
Oscar
🤣🤣🤣 Loved the team names!
Hehe, interesting how you assume Checo is out of a seat. :P
The Race making an 11 minute speculation video on 3 vague quotes, brilliant work.
Somehow, everyone seems to have forgotten about Lawson
If only there was another team on the grid........
THE SMOKE
I mean it is no secret that Toto is concerned about Max‘s Wikipedia Page. So no surprises there 😂
Alonso in RB will be amazing 😍
No discussion of lawson
Lots of waffle without wven mentioning Liam Lawson ? 😒
If all of the Red Bull drama is legit and Verstappen’s camp arent posturing, I see him signing a 1 year deal then jumping ship at the regulation change. I don’t think Max will risk his legacy over team drama.
This is going to be my first silly season and what a debut silly season it'll be
"At least one vacancy at Red Bull" Huh?
Name me one driver max and his dad haven’t had a problem with !!! 😂 They are always causing a rift between who ever is on the opposite side of the garage!!
I fully expect Leclerc to wipe the floor with Lewis…
wildest thumbnail ever created
why the f are u not mentioning liam lawson?!
Did you guys forget LIAM LAWSON????
Well Ricciardo and Zhou are definitelly going home next year, so it should free up a space for Lawson and Bearman, not so sure about Antonelli
Need to see Lando in the RB!!
Ricciardo is done, Checo is done, Bottas probably getting dropped. Yuki's not going anywhere, Stroll will be dropped when he's dead, Russell will stay put, Zhou will probably be at williams when Sargent get the boot.
Perez will get another extension tbh
Ben staring through my soul.
If Mercedes doesn't improve a lot until summer, I think they'll have trouble signing one of the top drivers. My best guesses would be Antonelli or Ocon.
Curious, Valteri Bottas was a great Mercedes driver and team mate. Any possibility Mercedes would bring him back? George and Valteri had one race together and it was going well until..... but they did make good team mates. Valteri has always been a good team mate.
0 chance for this to happen, Bottas' performance have fallen dramatically.
What about Vesti?
Will sign for Andretti, most likely.
Hopefully we see some new young drivers in 2025 Berman, Lawson,..? 😊
I like the scripted videos, the conversation dynamic is for the podcast
I definitely think the most realistic team Sainz would go to is sauber then Audi
mercedes and audi are choosing between sainz and albon.
everyone just forgets lim lawson for some reason