Why was Cesare Borgia so feared?
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- Why was Cesare Borgia so feared?
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Niccolo Machiavelli - The Prince
Paul Oppenheimer - Machiavelli: A Life beyond Ideology
Paul Strathern - The Artist, the Philosopher, and the Warrior: Da Vinci, Machiavelli and Borgia and the World They Shaped
Sarah Bradford - Cesare Borgia: His Life & Times
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With a hidden blade and some friends, he's not so scary.
I thought the same thing
Assassin's creed brotherhood
And don't forget about the apple
Man that reference
A man of culture
You know someone is rich when they have a PayPal army.
Papal. I get the joke though😅
Cringe🤢
Cesare Borgia is one of my favorite historical figures in Italy. He's such an interesting character.
Same here always been fascinated with stories of him!
I prefer Mazzini
goul
He is the inspiration of the famous false appearance of Christ.
I prefer Napoleon the king of Italy or Murat anyway frenchmen leading little bro italy
Fun fact :
Leonard da Vinci ,Cesare Borgia & Machiavelli met in a battle (i dnt remember the name). Leonard was helping Cesare as an army engineer (for a while). Machiavelli was acting as diplomat from Florence.
I thought they said Leonardo do caprio
The perfect crossover does not exi-
they didn't.
u forgot Ezio Auditore de Firenze
@@resentfulandvengeful2193 go back to reddit
Cesare was one fine villain in Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood. He was one of those villains that you loved to hate. His end in that game was a fitting one.
Well said 😊
After playing AC Brotherhood the idea of Machiavelli and Cesare Borgia being friends feels weird
I see it as a cover. Machiavelli writes The Prince about Ezio in reality, as he states in the game (he says he wants to write a book about him - I know because I finished the game two days ago), but he puts the name of Cesare and some of his actions to not make Cesare suspect of him, and even get close to him, so he can get useful info on the Templars.
@@ikad5229 that doesn’t make any sense if you actually read the book though, it’s clearly about a public figure that leads his people with cunning and brutality, not a sneaky assassin. I know it’s a detail that you’re not supposed to take seriously but it’s a kind of silly idea
@@czechmeoutbabe1997 I actually haven't read the book, so thank you for the information. I knew it was an easter egg, and a good one imo, but still, they could have explained why Machiavelli was so interested with Cesare.
@@ikad5229it could be another book, not the Prince one. As he stated that he's interested to write about Ezio's life and wrote it as short as possible.
He wasn’t all that scary. My man Ezio tossed him off a rampart.
“Young Cesare, I heard him say,
Could not be killed by man, So I tossed him through the air to see where he might land…”
Nice one
Ezio is the best
@@FazlurTheGreat---Oh yeah. Agreed.
@@FazlurTheGreat fuck Ezio, Altair forever
Ah Yes. The ever petulant man child our based Italian tossed from a castle after ruining his plans
Ah, yes. "Paypal control." Control of the Pope. Definitely the right pronunciation.
Lol. Gained control of the Paypal Army.
I definitely heard the same thing and it took me a while to realise this
So it's control of the Popes's Army. Papal control? Thanks, I was so lot with Paypal
If i had to write all the mistakes in the pronounciation of the italian words...
this dude cant even say duchy right.
Ruthless as a Borgia! there is a reason that expression is still around today. I actually assign "The Prince" to my students every semester
Ironic, considering that Machiavelli didn't really believe in a single word of it.
@@AeneasGemini I have heard the idea that his work was satire. Is that what you are thinking? It's an intresting idea
@@HistoryfortheAges It would be if it was greek , greek had smar a55 comedy like that. But with Italians and at that time, i'm going to say no. I've read Machs other works and tho they are different from this one , the prince is def not a satire. It's more of a short for fun book, don't think Machievelli took it that seriously but its def not a satire. I would imagine that Cesare was like LUCA MARINELLI in the My Name is Jeeg movie... Lucas character is well respected, charasmatic but dangerous dude but he was also a funny character , almost like a joker character. IN other words Cesar Borgia was like a mix of Jack Nicholsons joker and Heath Ledgers , both deep but also amazingly charasmatic and likeable.
But Cesare wasn't much of a bad guy, Mach also calls him a workaholic. In one section he says that Machievelli would spend hours and days doing his homework on statecraft and getting hands on work of adminstering his domain and would be up until the wee hours perfecting his craft and getting last minute touches... then he would lose energy and just turn into an ubber sloth sleeping and doing nothing for 2 days straight exahusted from his all nighters. ..But one thig was certain on the weekends(non workdays) you would see him hanging out with his peons and he would be partying with them and playing soccer with kids and his people love him. Could you imagine if your Boss was the guy spending hours trying to make the company hit $5 billion in sales trying to make sure everything was okay for everybody and then on the weekends hanging out with his employees and shooting a few beers.
Also , in the Prince Machievelli says that Cesare was one of the most well studied guys, he went to the best univerisities and was sort of a nerd for history, economics, math and politics and Theology ( philosophy/sociology of its day)..
The only satire part is that .. as much as Cesare was this prodigy that perfected his craft, it did not matter because at the end of the day he attained his power through his father , and once his father died , all of his enemies would dispose of him like nothing.. Theres the only satire to it.
@@HistoryfortheAges Not so much a satire , but not a manifesto for the ideal ruler either . There is a theory that claims it was a veiled insult / condemnation for the ruling family that exiled him in the first place . A way to expose them to the public as cruel and tyranical and Maciaveli was actually not in favor of despotia . We will never know for sure .
A good read indeed. One of the books bout politics imho
His feature in AC: Brotherhood was incredible.
yep
nah
Best ac antagonist
Ong
@@Dragons_Armory no 1 asked u to live
Cesare: "Listen guys, I'm unfit to be a cardinal so I resign. I'm a hardcore fornicator, I don't believe in God, I don't even know what the service of mass looks like."
Cardinals: "Who cares? Resignation denied."
Cesare: "I'm also incredibly corrupt."
Cardinals: "Who isn't?"
Cesare stroking his beard: "Reaaaaally?"
Lol, he was actually pretty qualified to officiate as a priest. Better than the regular cardinals.
@@xhagast Schhh, don't tell them that. They'll want to keep him even more.
@@ZombieDragQueen Lol.
@@xhagast I think we all remember the Cadaver Synod where nine months deceased pope Formosus was dug up and put on trial by pope Stephen VI for bullshit reasons. It was so embarrassing we've never heard since of pope Formosus II or Stephen VII. While unlikely cardinals would dig up Cesare's bones to officiate weddings and baptisms I wouldn't put it past them.
Cesare was amazing. He was a brilliant general and could have been the first King of Reunified Italy had he and his father not gotten sick at such a critical time.
EXACTLY and he made one mistake only one this mistake caused his falling
made JULES II pope
@@MW3laforcewhat mistake?
@@sila3228He contracted Malaria during the same time that his father was dying of it. During this time he controlled the vote of most of the Spanish cardinals who were electing the next pope, I don’t remember the number but he was able to deadlock the conclave if a candidate he disliked was selected. Unfortunately he allowed the ascension of Julius II who proved to be no different from his father, a relatively unscrupulous and power hungry man who immediately reneged all of his agreements with Cesare upon his ascension as Pope.
Good video. I had no idea "PayPal" was in charge of the Catholic Church back then.
Religion has always been about the money more than anything else.
@@Shan_Dalamani Ahhh yes so you don't need money to live ?
@@KarmaKraftttt That makes no sense.
@@Shan_Dalamani
Exactly!
Religions can be indeed stupid sometimes but saying that it's always about money is just a biased statement which doesn't make any sense.
@@KarmaKraftttt So you've never had JWs or other come knocking on your door, give you a spiel about God and Jesus loving you, and by the way, would you like to buy a book, subscription to their church's newsletter, or buy their video?
It's about the money.
Machiavelli stated in The Prince that Cesare escaped prison by trading identities with a dying man, he took on his identity and when the man was to be freed Cesare left the prison under his name.
Please show me where that is written in the Prince?
Curious if this is factual if Alexander Dumas took this as inspiration for Dante in the Count of Monte Cristo
I heard "PayPal" and couldn't unhear it
Oddly enough, he is thought of quite well in italian history. He was just the right kind of active guy who italians beleived could have unified the country and freed it from the foreigners
Would have changed the geopolitical landscape of Europe for centuries if that happened
He was kind of a foreigner, his father, Pope Alexander VI, and his family was from Valencia, Spain. Although Spain and Italy had a very "unified" History in the Early Modern Era.
@@ikad5229 His mother was italian and he was born and raised in Italy so to our eyes he was italian enough.
@@christiancristof491 I have a question. Would you say a person that lives in Italy, cares about the culture and the country, knows the language and plans to live in it for many years to come, is somewhat Italian?
Finally someone made a vidoe about Cesare Borgia. He wanted to unify Italy and become king but everything fell apart. I love the Cesare - Machiavelli bond.
*_Cesare Borgia was brilliant but like most brilliant people he also had a few blind spots, and that cost him in the end._* #Hubris
lived like a gangster and died like one
He was a Tyrant like his father and brother.
@@theawesomeman9821 exactly he truely was the most powerful and terrifying man at this time
@@MW3laforce maybe in his lifetime. If we talk about that period of time.,..we had Vlad the Impaler
@@theawesomeman9821 he who lives by the sword dies by the sword.
🎵He’ll kill you if you cross him
He might kill you anyway
He was the mostest powerfulest, evilest of all
As long as dad’s alive
There’s not a single chance he'll fall🎵
The Borgia Family (Click Click)
Rodrigo: *Dies*
Caesare: Oh no
Such was the man that Machiavel prefers to all the great geniuses of his time, and to the heroes of antiquity, and of which he finds the life and action make a good example for those that fortune favors.”
― Frederick the Great,
Rich coming from the man who only got to keep his title from luck alone. If cathernine hadn’t died the Prussians would have gotten curbstomped by the Russians
@@donniedewitt9878 wrong . It was Elizabeth that died . Catherine was still married to Peter . Catherine would die sometime before the french revolution
Also saying Frederick the great survived due to luck is just false . Yes it did play a part in the end but the dude literally fought Russia France and Austria and minor German states at the same time and was winning all the time . Hes only problem was his limited number of soldiers who he couldn't replenish
@@eg310 the Russians were at Berlin if they didn’t stop Prussia would have been no more
@@Boretheory I know that it most likely would have gone that way (not defenetly since even after Russians retreated he fought and won battles with practically recruits but there's very slim chances that he would be able to win against the Russians again ) . My point was the Frederick wasn't some B tier king that got curbstomped by russians who he defeated in many battles beforehand .
He got it wrong it should be, "a good example for those that would seek fortune's favor."
Such an intriguing story that you brought here to the channel. Thank you
Paypal customers: Why do you have so few people tending to customer service needs
Paypal army: Hi
I always wanted to learn about Cesare Borgia! Good job!!
There is no proof Cesare killed Giovanni or that he had an affair with Goffredo's wife. Also it was very common for cardinals to not obey their chastity vows in the 1400s and 1500s and for cardinals to give their young cousins a high position in the church, the borgia were not special in this regard.
During that time to be named Cardinal wasn't necessary to be a priest first.
They were just very successful
@@chrissiek8706 they were unsuccessful actually, that is why there is so much propaganda about them
THAT STILL GOES AGINST THERE OATHS AS CARDINALS THOUGH.
It’s always the chastity vows that’s a burden to man, but there’s a lot of power to be had when man was a member of the Vatican.
Fantastic video keep it up your doing amazing job
Very epic and informative! I would love to see more content on the borgias
If anyones interested in diving deep into the topic, I’d highly recommend giving ‘The Family’ by Mario Puzo a read. I was awestruck by Cesere and have always wondered why isn’t he more talked about in history.
Whoa, written by the same guy that wrote The Godfather. Thanks.
-You can't kill me
NO MAN CAN MURDER ME
-Then I leave you in the hands of fate
Just as I started playing Assassin's creed II: Brotherhood again, I see this =D
This video clears up the circumstances in which you were thrown into action to kill Cesare all of a sudden
“No man can kill me…” “Then I leave you in the hands of fate.” AC Brotherhood, I love that game.
Cesare and his Paypal armies conquered all of iTally, and even had a book dedicated to him by Nike-olo machiavelli
Just being facetious here, video was great and informative but the pronunciation bothered me just a bit
You are right, because people they pretend to apply the English spelling to any other European languages.. doesn't work like that
Yeah bothered me too
Fascinating, thank you
Nicely explained.
It was strange hearing "papal', as in "Papal States", pronounced like "PayPal".
Indeed. Very comical.
The excellent Alejandro Jodorowsky has a 3 part Graphic Novel 'Borgia', truly shocking stuff, recommended for mature readers.
I think it was four parts.
Going to look for it right now, thanks!
Cesare: You cannot kill me! No man can kill me!
Ezio: Then I will leave you into the hands of fate.
Abolish Ubisoft
Great video!
i remember watching the borgias series a few years back
that's how i learnt of him
The supposed admiration of Borgia from Machiavelli is widely disputed due to only The Prince speaking favorable of such means while most of his work actually shows a great admiration for The Roman Republic. A lot of historians and philosophical thinkers through the years have called The Prince satire or a way to lull the Medici who were in power at the time to a false sense of security. Examples of books that supposedly reflects more of Machiavellis true thoughts: Discourse on Livy (3 books) and Florentine Histories (A love letter to the republic of Florence).
Felicitari pentru 1 milion.
Ezio Auditore should be the most feared. The Desmond trilogy is goated.
I was hoping someone would bring up Assassin's Creed. Thank you, Brother.
Ah yes, AC Brotherhood reference
ABOLISH UBISOFT
Rodrigo didn't favor Giovanni.
It was common practice for those families which derived their power from The Church, to destine their first born to the ecclesiatical career, instead of a military one.
Also, Giovanni did went missing after a dinner, but with friends, not his brother and he was most likely killed by the Orsini family for being an arrogant prick who acted like a bully towards his peers Roman aristocrats and for being a profoundly incompetent commander, who was responsible for a military blunder while leading the Papal army.
And again: "The local population of Romagna was not fond of their rulers and in fact welcomed Cesare as their new leader"
Just stop....That is simply false...and i'm not even bothering to correct you anymore.
I'm sure there are even more inaccuracies, but i stop watching here.
"Welcome" is mayor words. Feared and respected him is more what Machiavelli meant.
Giovanni, or rather Juan, was a known prick with many enemies. I agree. It was probably the Orsini as any foul deed orchestrated by Cesare would have been done better. The Juan Borgia Murder case painted too big a target on him. Had Cesare been believed to be guilty, I believe not even his father would have forgiven him and elevated him to the status he did if he was even remotely suspected. What makes the case suspicious is that Pope Alexander VI, distraught, wasted no time and spared no costs in launching the investigation in Juan's death. The investigatiob went on for a while, but then, suddenly Alexander closed the book on it and never spoke of it again. Now this is just me speculating, but I believe the reason for that is that he did actually find who was responsible--and the person responsible wasn't someone he could afford to oppose at the time. Rodrigo Borgia had always been a master politician and administrator before anything else. It's not unreasonable to think he'd deny himself parental justice to serve some strategic power goal. He couldn't afford to lose his head. So he denied himself and his son justice.
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I love how people still take "Il Principe" on it's face value as a kind of "Renaissance ruling for Dummies" when it's actually 26 chapters of Machiavelli throwing shade...
Because who's to say he wasn't doing both? Yeah, we know he was a fan of republics first and foremost, but The Prince was written post-torture and after his fall from the civic duty he loved so much. The Prince could have been written as a response to that trauma. Like a "Fine! You people want to play like this?! I'll show you how to play! I don't care anymore!"
Machiavelli coukd have easily been looking for a savior at that point. Someone who can make all the bullshit he experienced worthwhile. Someone who might see value in him and return him to service, even if it means serving under a prince rather than a people.
It reads like pure satire.
Wow what a fascinating life, never knew this story before
One of my all time favorite figures in History!
He's evil
Popes, Papal Sons, Texans - ye are all cut from the same dominant cloth.🙄
@@wolfgangamadeusmozart1293
Mozart, best stick to your music and leave the Popes and the Texans to their own devices.
@@wolfgangamadeusmozart1293please tell me more of this evil,and yes your right ✔️
It is better to be feared than loved, if you can not be both
Take note on Cesare’s outlook and attitude towards life, that’s how you get shit done.
Yeah, but I would rather not lose all of my shit once my father dies.
idk nowadays murdering your siblings spouse will only get you in a 4 x 4 cell somewhere
I think he means more of go-getter by any means mindset…not the sibling murders/fucking and over-reliance on nepotism
"No man can murder me!!"
"Then I leave you in the hands of fate"
Abolish ubisoft
“The throne was mine! What do you know? I will lead mankind into a new world. You cannot kill me no man can murder me!” - Caesare Borgia - 1507
He was also feared because whenever he was cornered he would scream: *"GUARDS!!"*
“Mano y Mano, man vs man, just you me and my GUARDS”
I did like assasins creed but years later I did move on and I eventually started getting into history after cars and when I look back into assassins creed I wanna replay it with my new knowledge of history
GONGRATS ON 1M
I'm a little confused, was the PayPal army an army hired and maintained via PayPal or was it actually an army of PayPal? Pretty surprising if it's the latter; tbh I didn't even realise PayPal were around back then.
/s
JFC, it's annoying when presenters don't bother to learn the correct pronunciation of words. All this PayPal States and PayPal Armies had me snickering and rolling my eyes throughout.
@@Shan_Dalamani Haha, it was funny for me at least and I've certainly heard worse xD
The Church worked on donations, tithes and the rents of its properties so it is KINDA PayPal.
Ah yes cesare was also the leader of the paypal armys. Its so cool to know paypal has survived such a long time and it even had an army thats so cool
I remember when I first played AC 2 and Brotherhood, I read Cesare as Caesar
Anyone have any good book recommendations covering him or this period of Italian history?
I must say that i cant watch this video without hearing AC Cesare in my head lol
Brotherhood ❤️
I played AC Brotherhood,Such A Masterpiece&His Character's Voice Acting Was One of the best I've Had In My Gaming History.And Its Kinda Weird To Discovered that historically,Machiavelli Admired This Guy Unlike the in game Depiction Of Them Being A Mortal Enemy.
Your San Marino pronunciation is gold.
Got so confused every time he mentioned "papal control", it sounds like "paypal control"
The "Pay Pal" Army lol didnt know Cesare Borgia had ties to Musk and Thiel
Brotherhood, such a good game.
Two questions; was the person, who the Prince was dedicated to, actually successful as a leader?
2. So the wife of Cesare was infected with syphilis? Does that mean that the child birthed was covered by this disease? If not birthed through C Section?
Well, if i remember this correctly, the Prince was dedicated to a Medici ruler of Florence. As master Niccolo was never brought back into office, the probability is good, that the man did not really read the book. To the question regarding syphilis, there, I am out.
@@swashbukk I read the Prince a few years back and it mentions that the guy he intended it for died and so it was given to another prince of that family. Read by the elders first and they loved it and accepted it. But I can’t remember who it was given to
@@kanyekubrick5391
The Prince was intended for Lorenzo De Medici. When he died however, it was re-attributed to Giuliano De Medici (Lorenzo’s successor).
Some argue that the prince was inspired by Cesare. In my opinion this is very much not the case, since Cesare lacked many of the most important features necessary to prince according to Machiavelli. Also, Machiavelli wrote about a lot of people, you could argue the book was inspired by any character mentioned in the book.
@@leonardodavid2842 I recall The Prince refers to Lorenzo de Medici, too. Been many years ago since I read it, but I thought that was the case. Still do, but I should revisit it.
@@leonardodavid2842 yea, but ceasar was mentioned a lot in the book.
I think the book was more of a call out on how dictatorship mechanism works
“Young cesare said he could not be killed by man so I tossed him of the roof to see where he would land”
Ac revelations flashbacks
I didn't know PayPal had armies... Weird. Are they better or worse than the City Bank and Wells Fargo armies?
2:50 They shared one mistress who was the wife of their younger brother? Am I getting this correctly?
The elite of the catholic church are twisted like that.
Alledged. So probably true. These were sick times.
@@CoolAdam247 Well, its not like promiscuity is an exclusivity to the catholics
lol
Sancia, who was married to their little brother, who was only about 12 or so. She was years older, and it was a political marriage.
This is the perfect example of how intriguing and corrupt Renaissance Italian politics was
They’re the same shit to this day
@@Boretheory wrong. Today we hv idiots. At least back then, there were political geniuses like Machiavelli
@@Boretheory true but it's not as bad
@@lucadesanctis563 Nothing really changed
@@lucadesanctis563 there’s geniuses but we elected ppl like Salvini. It’s the people’s fault
Everytime he says "PayPal" I cringe so hard.
How can i cant find one single Assasin’s Creed comments? We killed this dude
He was so feared that ezio decided to show up
Abolish Ubisoft
Everytime you say Papal in this video I hear Paypal. The PayPal army did this the PayPal army did that. I'm just waiting for a contingent of Venmo mercenaries attacked the PayPal army but we're thwarted by the Zwell Guard. I don't know why but I'm crying laughing...
I don’t know why but they have a long string of mispronunciations, and after a while it stops being funny and starts getting annoying.
You're constantly putting the em-PHASIS on the wrong sy-LLABLE. Seriously, "PayPal" army? Cm'on, dude!
The great "Mastermind and high Intelligence" of Cesare Borgia.
Cesare Borgia was the inspiration behind "The Prince" by Niccolo Machiavelli....
"...and I forbid under the pain of excommunication anyone to speak or think of Borgia again. His name and memory must be forgotten. It must be crossed out of every document ad memorial. His reign must be obliterated."
Sorry della Rovere, the Borgias are still relevant, interesting and moderately well known historical figures.
"I tossed him trough the air
To see where he might land"
“Caesare Caesare a man of great depravity thought himself immortal till he had a date with gravity!”
The stress is on the 1st syllable not the 2nd. CE sa re
I had no idea paypal had so many armies
The historically feared Paypal armies.
"il Valentino" and "il principe"
Target comes out of his shelter, he's distracted by a feather.
Sad way to go for such an incredible man. Whether he was a terrible man or not. Reminds me of the sad way the Duke of Burgundy Charles the Bold went.
With a Swiss halberd in the face?
"Diet of bankrupts... To-day, Messer Paolo is to visit me, and to-morrow there will be the cardinal; and thus they think to befool me, at their pleasure. But I, on my side, am only dallying with them. I listen to all they have to say and bide my own time"
-Cesare Borgia
I'm not convinced. In spite of what little accurate depictions the show The Borgias portrayed, I just got the impression that he was some murderous thug with a sister complex.
2:35 My name is Giovanni Borgia, but everybody calls me Borgia...
You could’ve worked more on pronunciation, not just PayPal/Papal, but you kept pronouncing all Italian names wrong, even Cesare pronunciation is wrong
I was skeptic of the pronunciations.
Insane how much history I've learned through assassins creed. I wish Ubisoft would stick to the old way of ac
I hope and wish they can make ACWW2 done right ✔️
Cesare Borgia is said to be the man who inspired the modern Jesus’s appearance in art.
wrong? We have a ton of jesus mosaics and portraits before 1500s
@@futurei0oo Take your meds
It would fit so well with the utter corruption of the papacy at the time. Cesare was handsome(until syphilis made him wear a mask). So keep the good looks, give him Michael Corleone's expression and you have Cesare Borgia as Jesus.
@@Johnny3Batony what kind of response is that?
This guy plays like my Med2 run
Faction leader full dread while normal generals full chivalry
I think i remember reading years ago that he may have been the physical inspiration for the modern visual design for what we consider Jesus to look like in the western world. If i remember correctly an artist in Rome used him as a model for a painting of Jesus Christ that has been used for centuries since as the design Theory though. Curious if anyone else had ever read this
It's a common myth, but it is just a myth (made up by Alexandre Dumas centuries after Cesare died), we have the standard bearded long haired image of Jesus from nearly a thousand years before Borgia was even born
always hated when AC brotherhood storyline is really short. this man was a menace in my childhood, depicting a truly bad guy
Was pronouncing papal as "PayPal" intentional?
I remember him from brotherhood.
He was a Templar
No joke I had no idea he was real thought he was just a ac character no cap
Fixed the title . "Why was Cesare Borgia feared by everyone but Ezio Alditore?"
Man it took me way too long to find am assassin’s creed comment, not enought people played it :(
Abolish Ubisoft
Spelling Cesare like that should be a crime lol
RIP Uncle Mario