We need World Athletics to be promoting events like Night of the 10ks. It's a super well run meet, and promoting successful local events creates a grassroots movement.
Anything grassroots would unfortunately be pretty antagonistic towards World Athletics. The more elite fields they can foster for the Diamond League, the better for them overall. I do love that event tho, I'd love to attend myself one day!
As a huge chess fan, thank you for noting how great the coverage is there compared to track. absolutely absurd because i think the average person probably prefers to watch track, but nerds just know how to get shit done and world athletics clearly doesnt lmao
Hate when people say "T&F needs saving" bruh we are in peak t&f. I have non running friends tell me all the time they watched XYZ t&F video from RunnerBoi or TotalRunningProductions. We have the most amount of stars across every discipline and growing viewership. They just haven't figured out how to glamourize the sport like NBA,NFL or MLB yet and bring in the average sport fan
The problem with the Diamond League is it's just a travelling circus, in town for one night only. Hard to get excited or worth travelling to when so many top athletes won't even be there. Perhaps a solution is to think of 'majors' like in tennis and golf. London can easily justify a 2-day event (even 3 so there could be heats) held at the same weekend every year. Now look at 3 or 4 other major cities across the world having the same place in the calendar every year. If other cities host one-nighters, that's fine.
@@Magnusfication Formula One takes place over several days (practice, qualifying/race days) and of course the stars are guaranteed to be there. That's a good ... formula!
I'm with you on just about everything you brought out. Living in New Zealand means that I don't get to many (if any) major meetings, although I was fortunate last year visiting Budapest for the World Athletics Championships. "Watch this space " will be my mantra for 2025, and keep up the good work. Tony Hunt World Junior Athletics News NZL.
Another great video. Such a great channel. Regarding the field events. I went to the Paris Olympics and the field events were REALLY impressive. The javelin was incredible. I was specifically excited about the 1500m( I got to see Cole win!), but throughout the athletics events I was very surprised by how great the field events were to watch.
Definitely agree about the javelin which can be enjoyed by everyone in the stadium. I was at the pole vault evening, but alas at the wrong end of the stadium (i.e. finishing line) so could really only follow it on the screen. And there lies part of the problem for field events - spectators won't often be close to the action they want to see. Tough one to fix. Perhaps move all the jumps (and shot put) into a smaller venue?
What I like... 1. Amazing batch of racers in its first year, exceeding my expectations. I suppose when you offer that kind of purse for winners and contracts, its enticing. I don't blame some big names for waiting it out tho. Give this room to grow and make changes as it goes forward. 2. The dual categories - This is supposed to be more than just a regular track meet. GST has signed many of the very best in their events. There will be few challengers that can actually beat them in their specialty events. Watching them deal with the challenge of competing in a relatively similar race for the best combined score potentially makes it far more entertaining and competitive, and they're paid well to do so. Many 100M hurdlers want no part of the 400M hurdles but wont mind running a 100... which they already do in a way. The same is especially true for 400Mh, many of whom already run their nation's 4x4. What I'm cautious about... 1. I'm around MJs age and while I know he's a really smart guy, good businessman and very ambitious, I am concerned about his super sized ego and ambition possibly taking precedence over protecting the sport from the evils of "cuz entertainment". I suppose we'll have to just see over time.
Also, no one is FORCING anyone to do anything. The athletes agreed to this format when they signed their contracts. In fact, some seem absolutely over the moon about it.
I hate everything about Grand Slam. First of all it is stupid that everyone has to double. I hate that there are no pacers also. It seems way to sprint oriented with the locations being exclusively the USA and Jamaica, and also it being backed by Michael Johnson. I know this is an unpopular opinion, but the sport doesn't need "fixing" it just needs some repairs. Personally, I love the diamond league. Also, as a high schooler who just wants the opportunity to run competitively in college and be given a chance to develop, the whole NIL thing and new roster size limit is deeply unsettling, like I don't think college runners need to get paid, they just need a chance to do what they love. Just my two cents. edit: I only care about distance events, not sprints or jumps, so maybe the diamond league lacks in those areas, but I think they do a decent job with the distance events.
you said what I was going to say. at least the diamond league (while arguably more European based) still has a US date. I wont be watching the grand Slam at all except for replays the next day because it will be in the middle of the night for me
Although I disagree on a few points, I really appreciate this video. Well done! Even if lopsided in some groups, I’d like to regularly see how athletes perform in their non-speciality. The double peak GST seemingly suggests might sound crazy, but it’s doable. Also, the league creates a more viable career opportunity for current and future pros - I see the young talent really making the league into something special over the years.
Track and field doesn't need fixing, watching it does. I watch everything I can and it is often a struggle just to find out who is going to show it even if many times it is freely available as a livestream. There are some real anomalies about what is made available, such as some World Continental Tour Bronze and Silver in Europe being freely livestreamed especially from Europe, whereas World Continental Tour Gold meets are all over the place, sometimes I need a VPN other times there's a freely available livestream. I assume the Valencia half marathon is run by a different org to the Valencia Marathon because the second was available as a livestream on WA but the former I had to register for a local tv channel. Plus selling the rights to Wanda Diamond Leagues to local tv stations for viewing dollars means some of us have to use a VPN or pay outrageous amounts to watch a meet freely available on the Diamond League YT channel for places like Japan where no-one has bought the rights.
Amen. This is such a big problem for many sports that get the spotlight during the Olympics. Figure skating is a huge headliner event during the Olympics but watching it at any other time is a pain in the ass. Don’t get me started on swimming either Someone else said something about nerds knowing how to present competitions for “non tv friendly” events. Somehow they find a way to make it work with stuff like chess, StarCraft, or Rubix cube tournaments while the idiots in charge of these flashy and very marketable sports don’t know what they’re doing
Why is it always assumed that the sport needs to grow? I follow football (soccer) and have seen how it's changed with the growth of TV viewership and influx of money. Sure, the quality is higher, but prices are through the roof and I've never felt more disconnected from the sport itself. Can't understand why any fan of athletics would see it as something to welcome.
The combined events are a way to stretch the money. The money is the key. Paying out might attract competition and interest, but will it attract enough for sponsors to get ROI? Is this sustainable? Expandable? Or is it going to be a bust that will discourage anybody from doing it again for a long time in the future (like the ITA of the 70's)?
Based on what we know so far I doubt GST is going to survive a single season much less "save" track. It's not only the racing model that is dubious, backing up to race twice over three days might be fine for the short sprints but is not going to be easy for the middle distance runners. Plus, the model of the field racing each other over two different events is just stupid. We're going to be so bored watching the same 4 athletes race each other 8 times over the GST season, especially because apart from maybe the 400m women and the 100mh women the fields are not that good. But you say there will be challengers! Maybe. Even having SML as the poster child is dumb, it's not like she's a major attraction now otherwise track and field wouldn't need saving in the first place. None of the stars you'd expect to see given they claim to have the best have signed, no Noah, ShaCarri, Letsile Tebogo, Holloway, Wanyonyi, Ingebritsen, Kipyegon. On top of that the business model doesn't hold water. They have seed money through Winner's Alliance but so far no on-going sponsorship or media deal with less than 6 months to go? The meets are going to be held at small stadiums with low ticket prices?? (I actually thought MJ was pranking us when I heard that news). Someone told me the contracts require other meets to pay for GST athletes to be released for them to race elsewhere. Is the DL going to do that? I doubt it. On top of that I'm yet to see that any of the results are going to receive accreditation from WA since in an interview Shamier Little said she would have to race in other events apart from GST to maintain her ranking with WA. This will be a circus not a sporting event so don't be surprised if MJ presses a big red button to start races and the athletes wear animal costumes to compete.
Also to respond to something you said, I disagree that the bigger money pool will encourage athletes to train and compete harder. I actually think the opposite will occur. It's early in the season for everyone apart from Africans and Oceania athletes and it's a WC year, I doubt anyone is going to train to peak twice. Plus, the prize pool is so big and the amount for every place so high even coming second or third or last the athlete will take home a big paycheck in theory. It's not like most meets where you have to podium to get paid bigger bikkies.
i feel like the real issue with track and field is how its presented, on that i can agree with michael johnson on, i doubt many disagree, most would also agree people pick sides, either track or field and some like both but not every event from both. I think this is a good attempt, for once someone has tried to show track, yes ignoring field but for the first time, you can watch just track, i feel like we also need a place to watch just field, but its possible to do both. currently t&f is shown as trfia and cldk instead of track and field. i think johnson should retry his idea after a year of doing it and try grand slam track and field, split the broadcast in 2, do what he does for the track side only showing track, then make something similar for field only showing field
True. I dont like the language he's used lol but I think he's just sticking with what he knows... TRACK and focusing his objectives there for a better chance to succeed. I'd prefer it included field but I get it. Any business venture like this is a huge risk.
It's interesting for sure. When I 1st heard the idea of no field events I sort of liked the idea however if it's gonna be 3 hours long for 3 days how are they gonna kill the time I was hoping it could be a nice maybe two or 3 hours show however it will feel very stretched at 9hrs
As I understand it they are going to spend extra time on off the track stuff like getting to know the athletes. The bigger sports do well cuz "personalities". MJ is saying he wants to bring that element to the sport to bring fans closer to the athletes.
@@Tadaiainteresting it will be interesting to see how it is done. I definitely think it would help to see people's personality however I feel like the interviews I've seen them do interms of advertising feel very bland
22:25 it is indeed not looking good for UK athletics one of my friend who used to run professionally for Great Britain often talked about how bad the situation is and also there’s a very good RUclips video by the RUclips channel the long play that explains the situation A GST event in London would have worked well and easily gotten numbers to watch but alas that’s not the case
Bro field events aren’t even close to as marketable as the track events that’s why they’re way less popular, most people can’t name another male pole vaulter beside mondo and that goes for the other events, outside of the one star in the event no one knows them and non track fans would not want to watch these slow and less entertaining events. High jumps a different story tho
@flag_sh "just saying" nothing. It's unacceptable to inject that kind of race comment in a way that would not fly with any other race. You want to be hyper vigilant about race comments? Abide by a uniform standard.
@flag_sh Nah that's not what he said. He makes good points throughout the vid but his general politics are quite clear. Its kind of like a fish not realizing its wet with thinking this is just a totally neutral thing to say, it's been OK'd and hammered for so long at the highest levels that people just saw it as the default prior to Trump. Also in general Hutchings and Cram are consistently good commentators, they don't just "have their moments". Its like the areas where his analysis falters are the ones hampered by his political outlook (he has to self-doubt before questioning the necessity of the Althos meet as women only) Also he posts his twitter interaction with the reddit founder/Althos guy but you might notice the social link in his bio is bluesky lmfao. That's like the Inglorious basterds bar scene with how unsubtle it is.
I want to also comment on Athlos. I thought it was well done however how do you criticize MJ for not having field events in GST but let Alexis Ohanian off the hook. I wholly agree about the gender equity in track and field. Indeed its been pretty much the gold standard in sports for while. Special deals and appearance fees aside (favoring a male or female)... pay, honor and respect is equal across both genders. The reason for this is because they've always been done together. T&F is also not apologetic about "women being women" (shorter hurdles, lighter throwing implements). Its the level of competition within each gender's discipline that matters and makes both compelling. The WNBA should take note and lower the rim. Yet Athlos has opened a Pandora's box in that investors who may've previously considered having a focused all-male event but did not for fear of backlash, can now do so. WOMEN WILL NOT WIN in that argument for the mere fact that the biggest sponsors of such events are athletic companies who typically make 2/3 of their revenue from men. This is relevant because whether people want to admit it or not, what is considered "better" is too often based in how much money is pumped into its marketing and promotion.
Lol saying the commentary is just "two white dudes" throwing that buzz phrase out there that has absolutely no meaning. Those guys have more passion for the sport than anyone going but you want to put some random person in there who has dark skin lol? Don't try and ruin it for the rest of us just because you hate yourself lol
100%, don't appreciate RunnerBoi's white guilt and wokeness leaking into his videos. It wouldn't fly with any other races. Completely out of place for this type of video. Pathetic behaviour RunnerBoi
Someone didn't read the very obviously, complimentary annotations above the pictures of them when making this comment... Also calling that a "buzz phrase" is such a terminally online observation to make lmfao, get real dude
@@DK-tt1zt I never said that????? Also stop liking your own comments, I know people like you duo/triple account just to make your points seem more intelligent than they actually are lol
@RunnerBoi another non response, also, I have no other account. Why would you prefer to change the most knowledgeable people in the sport who have been doing their job perfectly for 15 years because of their skin colour? Why do you hate yourself?
I like seeing athletes have to compete more. The event pairings are too rigid. Both women and men 800m runners are MUCH better at 400 than mile. (No more 1500 bs-MILE). Distance,I got you. Mile,3 mile/5k and steeplechase. Top 4 in each go to 2 mile A final. Next 4 B final.
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We need World Athletics to be promoting events like Night of the 10ks. It's a super well run meet, and promoting successful local events creates a grassroots movement.
Anything grassroots would unfortunately be pretty antagonistic towards World Athletics. The more elite fields they can foster for the Diamond League, the better for them overall. I do love that event tho, I'd love to attend myself one day!
You know that the night of 10'000m PBs will not happen in 2025?
noooo you put this out right before my final exams!
Bruh all the good content gets put out right before finals istg😭
As a huge chess fan, thank you for noting how great the coverage is there compared to track. absolutely absurd because i think the average person probably prefers to watch track, but nerds just know how to get shit done and world athletics clearly doesnt lmao
Wow didn’t expect to find another chess player on the channel.
@ always nice to find someone with not one, but two shared interests!
@imadeanaccountjusttodothis7785 whos your favourite player?
@@Karlthemaster Arjun Erigaisi and Gukesh D have been my favorites since 2022… this year has been a dream come true. I’m also fond of Caruana
@@JeradLover i feel like a decent number of chess players like tennis and track and field, myself included! they're individual sports at their core
Hate when people say "T&F needs saving" bruh we are in peak t&f. I have non running friends tell me all the time they watched XYZ t&F video from RunnerBoi or TotalRunningProductions. We have the most amount of stars across every discipline and growing viewership. They just haven't figured out how to glamourize the sport like NBA,NFL or MLB yet and bring in the average sport fan
The problem with the Diamond League is it's just a travelling circus, in town for one night only. Hard to get excited or worth travelling to when so many top athletes won't even be there.
Perhaps a solution is to think of 'majors' like in tennis and golf. London can easily justify a 2-day event (even 3 so there could be heats) held at the same weekend every year. Now look at 3 or 4 other major cities across the world having the same place in the calendar every year. If other cities host one-nighters, that's fine.
I dont think thats the problem. It works for Formula 1 just fine, but i agree it would be better if a meet lasted for atleast a whole weekend.
@@Magnusfication Formula One takes place over several days (practice, qualifying/race days) and of course the stars are guaranteed to be there. That's a good ... formula!
Yeah the way the London DL had extra emphasis made it feel like an amazing. Literally GST and DL ideas just need to combine together to something
oh boy 42 mins, lock in ladies and gents
Really enjoy the ekiden, hope it becomes more popular throughout the world
The rise of Japanese running in general has been really cool to see. Really excited to see how it develops over the next few years.
Totally agree with this, hopefully good changes can be made within the next couple years
I'm with you on just about everything you brought out. Living in New Zealand means that I don't get to many (if any) major meetings, although I was fortunate last year visiting Budapest for the World Athletics Championships. "Watch this space " will be my mantra for 2025, and keep up the good work. Tony Hunt World Junior Athletics News NZL.
a track meet without the 4x4 to top off the night is a travesty
Wow! Awesome video man, this was a treat...42 minutes on top of that! I appreciate the effort you put into making this!
This an amazing video! We do videos on the throws side of Track and Field and this has been big issue with us that we want to help with. Great work!
You and TheFinalLeg once again consistently making the peak t&f content
Another great video. Such a great channel. Regarding the field events. I went to the Paris Olympics and the field events were REALLY impressive. The javelin was incredible. I was specifically excited about the 1500m( I got to see Cole win!), but throughout the athletics events I was very surprised by how great the field events were to watch.
Definitely agree about the javelin which can be enjoyed by everyone in the stadium. I was at the pole vault evening, but alas at the wrong end of the stadium (i.e. finishing line) so could really only follow it on the screen. And there lies part of the problem for field events - spectators won't often be close to the action they want to see. Tough one to fix. Perhaps move all the jumps (and shot put) into a smaller venue?
2:43 "Men's 1609m"
Just say Mile 😭
4:40 does this include 800 races or just more than 800 races?
What I like...
1. Amazing batch of racers in its first year, exceeding my expectations. I suppose when you offer that kind of purse for winners and contracts, its enticing. I don't blame some big names for waiting it out tho. Give this room to grow and make changes as it goes forward.
2. The dual categories - This is supposed to be more than just a regular track meet. GST has signed many of the very best in their events. There will be few challengers that can actually beat them in their specialty events. Watching them deal with the challenge of competing in a relatively similar race for the best combined score potentially makes it far more entertaining and competitive, and they're paid well to do so. Many 100M hurdlers want no part of the 400M hurdles but wont mind running a 100... which they already do in a way. The same is especially true for 400Mh, many of whom already run their nation's 4x4.
What I'm cautious about...
1. I'm around MJs age and while I know he's a really smart guy, good businessman and very ambitious, I am concerned about his super sized ego and ambition possibly taking precedence over protecting the sport from the evils of "cuz entertainment". I suppose we'll have to just see over time.
Also, no one is FORCING anyone to do anything. The athletes agreed to this format when they signed their contracts. In fact, some seem absolutely over the moon about it.
I hate everything about Grand Slam. First of all it is stupid that everyone has to double. I hate that there are no pacers also. It seems way to sprint oriented with the locations being exclusively the USA and Jamaica, and also it being backed by Michael Johnson. I know this is an unpopular opinion, but the sport doesn't need "fixing" it just needs some repairs. Personally, I love the diamond league. Also, as a high schooler who just wants the opportunity to run competitively in college and be given a chance to develop, the whole NIL thing and new roster size limit is deeply unsettling, like I don't think college runners need to get paid, they just need a chance to do what they love. Just my two cents.
edit: I only care about distance events, not sprints or jumps, so maybe the diamond league lacks in those areas, but I think they do a decent job with the distance events.
you said what I was going to say. at least the diamond league (while arguably more European based) still has a US date. I wont be watching the grand Slam at all except for replays the next day because it will be in the middle of the night for me
Loved the DK music while you talked about the monkey business around cutting events
Although I disagree on a few points, I really appreciate this video. Well done!
Even if lopsided in some groups, I’d like to regularly see how athletes perform in their non-speciality. The double peak GST seemingly suggests might sound crazy, but it’s doable. Also, the league creates a more viable career opportunity for current and future pros - I see the young talent really making the league into something special over the years.
Will you make a video about the Enhancing Games??
I would be curious about why is Iaaf so disliked by them.
Alright we need a Justyn Knight video
Track and field doesn't need fixing, watching it does. I watch everything I can and it is often a struggle just to find out who is going to show it even if many times it is freely available as a livestream. There are some real anomalies about what is made available, such as some World Continental Tour Bronze and Silver in Europe being freely livestreamed especially from Europe, whereas World Continental Tour Gold meets are all over the place, sometimes I need a VPN other times there's a freely available livestream. I assume the Valencia half marathon is run by a different org to the Valencia Marathon because the second was available as a livestream on WA but the former I had to register for a local tv channel. Plus selling the rights to Wanda Diamond Leagues to local tv stations for viewing dollars means some of us have to use a VPN or pay outrageous amounts to watch a meet freely available on the Diamond League YT channel for places like Japan where no-one has bought the rights.
Amen. This is such a big problem for many sports that get the spotlight during the Olympics. Figure skating is a huge headliner event during the Olympics but watching it at any other time is a pain in the ass. Don’t get me started on swimming either
Someone else said something about nerds knowing how to present competitions for “non tv friendly” events. Somehow they find a way to make it work with stuff like chess, StarCraft, or Rubix cube tournaments while the idiots in charge of these flashy and very marketable sports don’t know what they’re doing
The Golden Leaugue back in the day actualy was great, because everyone showed up to those 4 meets.
Removing the normal relays is the most shitty decision ever
Why is it always assumed that the sport needs to grow? I follow football (soccer) and have seen how it's changed with the growth of TV viewership and influx of money. Sure, the quality is higher, but prices are through the roof and I've never felt more disconnected from the sport itself. Can't understand why any fan of athletics would see it as something to welcome.
The lower level leagues would love and appreciate your attention.
@Tadaia my team is in league two. Still waiting for that trickle down from the prem
The combined events are a way to stretch the money. The money is the key. Paying out might attract competition and interest, but will it attract enough for sponsors to get ROI? Is this sustainable? Expandable? Or is it going to be a bust that will discourage anybody from doing it again for a long time in the future (like the ITA of the 70's)?
if australia gets a meet eventually im in
Based on what we know so far I doubt GST is going to survive a single season much less "save" track. It's not only the racing model that is dubious, backing up to race twice over three days might be fine for the short sprints but is not going to be easy for the middle distance runners. Plus, the model of the field racing each other over two different events is just stupid. We're going to be so bored watching the same 4 athletes race each other 8 times over the GST season, especially because apart from maybe the 400m women and the 100mh women the fields are not that good. But you say there will be challengers! Maybe. Even having SML as the poster child is dumb, it's not like she's a major attraction now otherwise track and field wouldn't need saving in the first place. None of the stars you'd expect to see given they claim to have the best have signed, no Noah, ShaCarri, Letsile Tebogo, Holloway, Wanyonyi, Ingebritsen, Kipyegon. On top of that the business model doesn't hold water. They have seed money through Winner's Alliance but so far no on-going sponsorship or media deal with less than 6 months to go? The meets are going to be held at small stadiums with low ticket prices?? (I actually thought MJ was pranking us when I heard that news). Someone told me the contracts require other meets to pay for GST athletes to be released for them to race elsewhere. Is the DL going to do that? I doubt it. On top of that I'm yet to see that any of the results are going to receive accreditation from WA since in an interview Shamier Little said she would have to race in other events apart from GST to maintain her ranking with WA. This will be a circus not a sporting event so don't be surprised if MJ presses a big red button to start races and the athletes wear animal costumes to compete.
Also to respond to something you said, I disagree that the bigger money pool will encourage athletes to train and compete harder. I actually think the opposite will occur. It's early in the season for everyone apart from Africans and Oceania athletes and it's a WC year, I doubt anyone is going to train to peak twice. Plus, the prize pool is so big and the amount for every place so high even coming second or third or last the athlete will take home a big paycheck in theory. It's not like most meets where you have to podium to get paid bigger bikkies.
Couldn't put it better myself. A circus.
i feel like the real issue with track and field is how its presented, on that i can agree with michael johnson on, i doubt many disagree, most would also agree people pick sides, either track or field and some like both but not every event from both. I think this is a good attempt, for once someone has tried to show track, yes ignoring field but for the first time, you can watch just track, i feel like we also need a place to watch just field, but its possible to do both. currently t&f is shown as trfia and cldk instead of track and field. i think johnson should retry his idea after a year of doing it and try grand slam track and field, split the broadcast in 2, do what he does for the track side only showing track, then make something similar for field only showing field
True. I dont like the language he's used lol but I think he's just sticking with what he knows... TRACK and focusing his objectives there for a better chance to succeed. I'd prefer it included field but I get it. Any business venture like this is a huge risk.
12:48 Jereem Richards could also be a threat
Ericdoa mentioned
And Quinn wow
I think I’ve seen this film before… and I didn’t like the ending
It's interesting for sure. When I 1st heard the idea of no field events I sort of liked the idea however if it's gonna be 3 hours long for 3 days how are they gonna kill the time I was hoping it could be a nice maybe two or 3 hours show however it will feel very stretched at 9hrs
As I understand it they are going to spend extra time on off the track stuff like getting to know the athletes. The bigger sports do well cuz "personalities". MJ is saying he wants to bring that element to the sport to bring fans closer to the athletes.
@@Tadaiainteresting it will be interesting to see how it is done. I definitely think it would help to see people's personality however I feel like the interviews I've seen them do interms of advertising feel very bland
22:25 it is indeed not looking good for UK athletics one of my friend who used to run professionally for Great Britain often talked about how bad the situation is and also there’s a very good RUclips video by the RUclips channel the long play that explains the situation
A GST event in London would have worked well and easily gotten numbers to watch but alas that’s not the case
i feel like i’ve seen this video before….
Ikr
It’s true tho most people don’t watch or care about track in a non Olympic year and that’s a fact
I know how to do it just run
just run faster 😂😂😂😂
Hi
Bro field events aren’t even close to as marketable as the track events that’s why they’re way less popular, most people can’t name another male pole vaulter beside mondo and that goes for the other events, outside of the one star in the event no one knows them and non track fans would not want to watch these slow and less entertaining events. High jumps a different story tho
3:42 - I don't see why you brought the ethnicity of the commentators into this at all. It's athletics, not the culture wars ffs.
just saying that it can get a bit stale having the same two similar commentators
@flag_sh "just saying" nothing. It's unacceptable to inject that kind of race comment in a way that would not fly with any other race. You want to be hyper vigilant about race comments? Abide by a uniform standard.
@@stoutlager6325white isn’t a race by the way
@flag_sh Nah that's not what he said. He makes good points throughout the vid but his general politics are quite clear. Its kind of like a fish not realizing its wet with thinking this is just a totally neutral thing to say, it's been OK'd and hammered for so long at the highest levels that people just saw it as the default prior to Trump.
Also in general Hutchings and Cram are consistently good commentators, they don't just "have their moments". Its like the areas where his analysis falters are the ones hampered by his political outlook (he has to self-doubt before questioning the necessity of the Althos meet as women only)
Also he posts his twitter interaction with the reddit founder/Althos guy but you might notice the social link in his bio is bluesky lmfao. That's like the Inglorious basterds bar scene with how unsubtle it is.
@ no idea what you are talking about
Yea ur getting hired by grand slam buddy
I want to also comment on Athlos. I thought it was well done however how do you criticize MJ for not having field events in GST but let Alexis Ohanian off the hook.
I wholly agree about the gender equity in track and field. Indeed its been pretty much the gold standard in sports for while. Special deals and appearance fees aside (favoring a male or female)... pay, honor and respect is equal across both genders. The reason for this is because they've always been done together. T&F is also not apologetic about "women being women" (shorter hurdles, lighter throwing implements). Its the level of competition within each gender's discipline that matters and makes both compelling. The WNBA should take note and lower the rim. Yet Athlos has opened a Pandora's box in that investors who may've previously considered having a focused all-male event but did not for fear of backlash, can now do so. WOMEN WILL NOT WIN in that argument for the mere fact that the biggest sponsors of such events are athletic companies who typically make 2/3 of their revenue from men. This is relevant because whether people want to admit it or not, what is considered "better" is too often based in how much money is pumped into its marketing and promotion.
Lol saying the commentary is just "two white dudes" throwing that buzz phrase out there that has absolutely no meaning. Those guys have more passion for the sport than anyone going but you want to put some random person in there who has dark skin lol? Don't try and ruin it for the rest of us just because you hate yourself lol
100%, don't appreciate RunnerBoi's white guilt and wokeness leaking into his videos. It wouldn't fly with any other races. Completely out of place for this type of video. Pathetic behaviour RunnerBoi
Someone didn't read the very obviously, complimentary annotations above the pictures of them when making this comment... Also calling that a "buzz phrase" is such a terminally online observation to make lmfao, get real dude
@RunnerBoi not really a response is it. Why do you not want to hear certain commentators just because of the colour of their skin?
@@DK-tt1zt I never said that????? Also stop liking your own comments, I know people like you duo/triple account just to make your points seem more intelligent than they actually are lol
@RunnerBoi another non response, also, I have no other account. Why would you prefer to change the most knowledgeable people in the sport who have been doing their job perfectly for 15 years because of their skin colour? Why do you hate yourself?
I like seeing athletes have to compete more. The event pairings are too rigid. Both women and men 800m runners are MUCH better at 400 than mile. (No more 1500 bs-MILE).
Distance,I got you. Mile,3 mile/5k and steeplechase. Top 4 in each go to 2 mile A final. Next 4 B final.
3:38 - what does the commentators being white have to do with anything? Didn't realise you were just another "woke" youtuber, unsubscribed.
You must be one of the 'snowflakes' I keep hearing about.
I think you’ll find snowflakes general belong in the woke camp
@@JoshuaTozer Oh it's like that? Very well, runnerboi. I'm gone.
@stefanus140 Nah, there's no bigger snowflakes than the right. Everything is woke to you babies.