Who else experienced this: I was all depressed, I had never heard of this brilliant pianist, I started listening and instantly was mesmerized by his agility, clarity and sensitivity, I got all excited and just as I started scrolling through the comments, someone posts he actually passed away. There goes my 5 minutes of happiness, life just ain't fair! :'(
I got this record when I was around 10 and at the time I thought it was pure wizardry. At 55 I still do. I couldn't imagine how anyone could get to these heights. He sure did set some unsurpassable standards in more ways than one.
At first I thought "way too fast" but after a while I changed my mind. These waltzes are brilliantly delivered and I love this performance. Call me a heretic. Fine.
The waltz was intentionally breathless as a dance. Take it from a dancer who also performed in social dancing. The waltz, you see, was INTENDED to be danced/played at such a tempo WITH the emotional variations you hear. THIS is why it was regarded as scandalous , especially by the deluded religious. Chopin was a Romantic, who would tease and improvise humorously, and KNEW he pulled tears, laughter, and every emotion. The stories, history, and observations of those who were privileged to live in his presence, exist, and even some of us miserable music students devoured all this, and as i do here, regurgitate it for you puppies.
I have been fortunate enough to have been taught by some truly amazing teachers including a world leading authority on the interpretation of Chopin and this flies in the face of everything he taught me. And, as Chopin is my favourite composer, it just makes me mad. I'm actually quite a laid back kind of guy.
One of the best interpretation of Chopin's waltzes. This recording haven't many homemade honey-accents, sugar-like melodies... Chopin's music are full of surprises, vigorous harmonical effects, somietimes a weird left-hand sequences, like Kocsis's performance here. Good job!!!
+The Amazing Pootisman Hey, you never know who likes classical music. I mean like, I like the smoky dank may-mays and I can also list 40 something pianistic composers just off the top of my head.
Is it just me who sometimes feel slightly guilty that we are able to hear the posthumous waltzes? I've only performed B.150 and I felt like I was not supposed to share this with others, only play it by myself. Knowing that this waltz was supposed to be burnt, but Fontana (I think it was) chose to keep them and then after 100 years they got published... Just my opinion though. I mean Chopin was such a perfectionist, so likely these were not as bad as what he thought they were.
Well plenty of amazing posthumous works... Like Mozarts requiem, a whole bunch of Schubert works, and outside of music, the entire works of Franz Kafka.
Everyone keeps criticizing Kocsis about playing too fast, too loud, with too much impetus and so on. People are so boring. They have listened to Chopin and they just want to keep listening to the same literal interpretations of the oldies. They still steam in their Rubinsteins and square Ashkenazys. This interpretation is fresh, alive and with surprises. Accentuation of hidden melodies here and there. Taking passages in one breath while others would wait, tie their shoelaces and start again. I'm so glad there are pianists like Kocsis and van Oort taking Chopin in different colours.
+Archishman Ghosh You're totally right dude. I absolutely love Rubinstein, but we must give a chance to all different points of view of Chopin's art...
+Archishman Ghosh Particular mention of 19-Waltz Op.posth. B.150. The tempo is perfect, how a Waltz should be danced to. All the other RUclips videos I've seen tend to drag the music.
+Archishman Ghosh I think is fun, but it breaks the purpose of a waltz, no one could dance to it but on the other hand no one dances waltz anymore anyway so.
Chopin waltzes are characteristic piano pieces and not for dancing. Only the first 4 waltzes are for dancing. He didn't write waltzes like the viennese did. Huneker (critic) mentions this too.
It sounds good, but it isn't how the songs are supposed to be played. For example, in the Waltz Op.64 No.2 it clearly states "tempo giusto" in the score, yet the performer fucks around with tempo like nobody's business.
"L'adieu" is the perfect title for Op. 69 No. 1. It's so melancholy, so longingly beautiful ... the first time I heard it was in the film "The Others" so I can't help but describe it as haunting, too.
This was always my favourite interpretation of all and every single one of Chopin's Waltzes. Absolute masterpiece. I had that on vinyl and played it so much that the needle went to the other side.
@@ItalianMappingBestMapper But you do not feel the faster tempo at the same time, it feels to be just right. It is really relaxed due to the technique of Mr. Kocsis
Whenever Franzl didn't feel like teaching the piano, Frederic would don a blond wig and stand in for him. To make his friend laugh, Liszt would then play Chopin's waltzes at breakneck speed, and as such this performance is a triumph.
R.I.P Zoltán Kocsis. A great pianist. Two years ago, 2016, 6th November, was the day we pledged to honour his playing once and for all. Goodbye, Zoltán Kocsis!
AS confirmed by S.Richter the best performer during his days of enough health. Belongs in the top of Chopins -Walzer performers. Let us never forget Zoltan !!
J'aime Kocsis Zoltan, il interprète si bien Chopin. C'est une mélodie qui me berce, en même temps me passionne. Cette mélodie est aussi mélancolique. J'aime tout simplement 💟
Waltz in E min B.56...the best interpretation I have heard yet! It is not payed enough and is my favourite Chopin waltz! I'm trying to learn it but I can only dream of playing it like that!
Életem egyik zenei meghatározója fogta magát és elment... Most mihez kezdjek, amikor olyan jó "haverságban" voltunk? Remélem, Glenn Gould- dal most már együtt játszanak valami Bach kétzongorás versenyművet... Nagyon, nagyon szomorú vagyok. Isten Veled, Zoli!
@@aidanguy2182 And yet, it is. His waltzes aren't made for dancing, they are independent pieces of music created only for interpretation. The reason he named them waltzes is because they have waltz elements like the standard waltz accompaniment, 3/4 time etc., but they're *not* made for dancing, that is a fact.
A perfect recording, probably even better than those of Chopin specialists like Rubinstein or Horowitz. All accents, tempos, microtimes, touches as it has to be, not more, not less.
Hm, lets watch a movie today. *wants to open Netflix* *stumbels across RUclips, clicks on this video* One hour later, I’ve spent my entire Saturday evening listing to Chopin...
I love how both Zoltan and Rubenstein bring out the bottom voice in the right hand during the Piu Mosso in 07-Waltz Op.64 No.2 (C# Minor). Zoltan chooses to do it immediately after the Piu Lento (24:10) whereas Rubenstein chooses to do it on the very last time. Interesting choice that doesn't appear to be notated - I wonder if one took it from the other, if it's a coincidence, or if it is in fact notated in certain publications.
You noticed this too!!! When I learned this waltz, I noticed the first notes in the RH of each measure were accented in the score(and as such, it is usually performed this way). However, when I played it myself I found it interesting to emphasize the last note of each measure instead (bottom voice in the RH as you describe). Upon asking my piano teacher about this, he said that doing so didn't quite fit the rhythm of the waltz, as it was emphasizing the wrong pulse and would at best be idiosyncratic. So I'm so glad you pointed this out, that even the world's best do what I wanted to do too!
@@lifestyleastherapyafterstr9423 yeah its really interesting - i think your teacher is mostly correct, though it's often those idiosyncrasies that give each player their own character. i wonder how much of it is truly intentional and how much is maybe because the thumb plays those notes and the tendency is to hit a little harder with that finger. it seems like it's extra prominent in that spot though, and those guys are so intentional with their playing I have to assume it's at least mostly on purpose
He taught anyone who could afford his price, which was high, the price of a box seat at the opera. He taught a fifteen year old boy who was a real prodigy. But he died mysteriously, Back then people were dying all the time from all kinds of things. Germs. In Beethoven's time women were not allowed to perform in public, but that was changing, in Paris.
Worth listening to just to get to: Grand Valse Brilliante Op 34, No.2!!! So hauntingly beautiful!💔 And: Waltz, Op 69, No.2!!! So thrillingly poignant💔 Both are deeply moving! Thank you for posting this! ☺️❤️
I'm a great admirer of the late Zoltan Kocsis mainly because he pretty much owned Bartok's highly demanding music. Whether he was a great Chopin waltzes interpreter I am less sure. These performances are brilliant, original, and sometimes provoking, but I can't help finding him impossibly rushed, to the point of being indifferent, in many places. His idiosyncrasies sometimes work well and sometimes don't. To be fair there are many great moments also. It's a mixed bag in my humble opinion. He doesn't seem to have recorded any Chopin apart from the Waltzes, which I find surprising. I had thought the Etudes would have been a more likely candidate.
I'm not an aficionado but I do love Chopin. A waltz is a dance. This performer's insanely rushed passages don't seem to me to be how Chopin would have wanted them played. The dancers would be going nuts trying to keep up and then be hit with unpredictable slow-downs at times. I'm incredulous. Too erratic and unpredictable. Just because you can play something fast doesn't mean that you should.
On the contrary, Chopin stressed to his publishers that neither his waltzes, nor his mazurkas were meant for dancing. Sure, he plays with a little bit too much rubato here and there, or he plays a little too fast on some of the pieces, which Chopin may not have approved of, I still think that Chopin would have appreciated most of these.
@@happypiano4810 yeah the fact that most of chopin's waltzes would just ruin the mood of the dance(XD everyone would get gloomy, wouldn't they lol) so in that sense i completely agree with you that these were fine. In fact, i'd even say I found a lot of them to be the best on youtube.
@@TomCatFromMA no one can dance to a lot of them even if they were played slower lol, i.e. there would naturally be more focus on the pianist than the dancers lol also if one were to dance to that for some reason beyond me, it's actually very much possible with the rubato...although yes it would differ from the traditional waltz where everything seems to be the same all throughtout.
hmm well, from what I've read of the other comments, the general opinion is that it's rushed yet still somewhat good. My opinion, however, is that this style just makes *most*(not all, the last few waltzes did feel rushed at parts, which I don't exactly mind, but the waltz in a minor tho lol) of them sound really nice! I doubt Chopin would want it to be played like that, but who cares, a pianist can have as much freedom as they want...and Zoltan, as you know, has a peculiar interpretation and style so it would feel more forced to him at slower tempi. Also to me, I've never liked recordings of Chopin's waltzes as much as I did listening to these...one might say the emotions got ruined but to me, the musicality and emotions were retained, and even more at certain parts. (now ofc consider waltz in a min posth out of whatever i said XD)
Interesting you say that. Kocsis had this goal: to keep the works fresh and immediate, so the audience felt they were hearing something for the first time. It seems he achieved that goal.
Zoltan is stunningly good at interpreting Bartok and Debussy's music, not Chopin. I'm pretty interested that this video has a lot of views though he is not Chopin specialist.
Ever since I heard Valentina Listisa play Op 64 No 2 too fast I thought I would never enjoy this piece unless it were slow. But this guy plays it fast and perfectly.
The excessive speed of some of these waltzes remind me of the Kentucky Derby race...... And ........They're .........OFF!!! Even Secretariat wouldn't have been able to keep up the speed that I hear in the Minute Waltz!! ;)
lol this comment.. It's an actually funny critique instead of all those dull ones I read. I did think some of them could have been slowed a little bit. but then this is the pianists interpretation so it's gonna be the way he wants.
I'm closing my eyes and trying to picture the dance floor where waltzing couples are trying their level best to keep up with the breakneck changes of tempo in these. . . :-) Fred .
Well, the original author being Freddie, I suspect he (cough) was not really consulted, BUT Zoltan is marvelus with tempi, suiting Fred (&, incidentally, me) magnificently. We are graced with a master, playing as Ricky surely did and intended that others do.
That's because there are two versions of the waltz. One is Chopin's original autographic version, and one is Fontana's edited version. Fontana's versions are usually the ones you can find, so that's why the sheet music in the video has Fontana's version, but the original version is actually played. This is true of (at least) the following waltzes: op. 69, no. 1 op. 69, no. 2 op. 70, no. 1 op. 70, no. 2
@@tigerphantom354 I have the Urtext edition of Chopin's waltzes (G. Henle Verlag). The book has both versions for few waltzes. I'm not sure about where to find them online though. Imslp has a tab called "transcriptions and arrangements" under most pieces and maybe you'll have some luck finding it there. I'll look myself later and update my comment
@@sziklaszilard8413 Én sajnos soha. 😥 Csak mindig csodálattal hallgattam ahol tudtam. A cisz-moll keringő az Ő előadásában tetszett a legjobban. Olyan nincs még egy...👌♥️
the pianist is playing the urtext edition, but the video shows the Royal School Edition, BTW thanks for uploading the video as the pianist played beautifully but somehow too strong touch
In spite of Chopin's precision in his manuscripts (and expectation of the performer to adhere slavishly to it), I find that Kocsis' additions to op. 69, no. 1 are novel, appropriate, and a pleasure to listen to: in the first measure of the B section (con anima), he changes the middle voice to three quavers, F-G-D..., a simple, smooth counterpoint which seems to complement the rather playful melody. Smaller, but equally effective an addition is the E natural which appears leading into the C section (dolce), a motif which he continues to use (F sharp instead of F natural) in the penultimate section leading into the repetition of C. I understand why purists take issue with such emendations, but nonetheless they seem to fit well with the overall character of the piece.
If I knew what you are talking about :))) unfortunately barely know any music theory, keys, chords, etc :))) however, learning a piece and playing it beautifully has nothing to do with theory, that's why dare trying to imitate these beautiful interpretations. Though I think when you are on that level where you just simply add some extra notes in order to make a piece even more beautiful and enjoyable, that's just completely amazing. But I don't think I will understand this theoretical correlation between chords and keys any time soon :DDD
Perhaps I just lack refinement, but for several of these Waltz's i just look for the slowest version I can find. Op. 64 No. 2 - Kissin Op. 34 No. 2 - Zoltan Posth. in E Minor - Rubinstein Anyone who tries to go faster than these versions I just can't enjoy :/
My favourite one, first, played too fast. I respect great technique, but it looks almost looks like he wanted to show off. Don't get me wrong - there's nothing wrong with that in many cases. For just pure listeners it's probably more suitable, for someone who actually plays this - even Chopin wanted it to play different- you have clues in notes ;)) Someone will prefere this version to any others - nothing wrong with that. There's no need to argue about best version, it's purely subjective, just try at least few others ;)
He was very young when it was recorded, maybe that's why. I totally agree with you - yet this is my favorite interpretation for personal reasons. I remember the day when my Mum came home with this LP in 1983, we just listened and listened. The pianist passed away a few years ago (after a wonderful career as a conductor), I became old but my Mum is still healthy and happy, thank God.
August 2024.Who's here ? One of the best interpretations of Chopin's waltzes. So beautiful. A great pianist! I've never heard of this pianist ....
Who else experienced this: I was all depressed, I had never heard of this brilliant pianist, I started listening and instantly was mesmerized by his agility, clarity and sensitivity, I got all excited and just as I started scrolling through the comments, someone posts he actually passed away. There goes my 5 minutes of happiness, life just ain't fair! :'(
He was a genius. Listen him, and your happiness will return :)
how can you not know who chopin is
@@deathkiller3671 Pianist, not Composer.
@@jorgeandrade20 Well he didn't even play that well, just speeded through everything tbh
@@deathkiller3671 your opinion. I think it sounds wonderful
I got this record when I was around 10 and at the time I thought it was pure wizardry. At 55 I still do. I couldn't imagine how anyone could get to these heights. He sure did set some unsurpassable standards in more ways than one.
Chopin’s 19 waltzes
No.1 op.18 0:01
No.2 op.34-1 4:50
No.3 op.34-2 9:54
No.4 op.34-3 15:26
No.5 op.42 17:33
No.6 op.64-1 21:00
No.7 op.64-2 22:35
No.8 op.64-3 25:37
No.9 op.69-1 28:13
No.10 op.69-2 31:46
No.11 op.70-1 34:37
No.12 op.70-2 36:16
No.13 op.70-3 37:50
No.14 op.posth 40:23
No.15 op.posth 43:13
No.16 op.postn 45:14
No.17 op.posth 46:25
No.18 op.posth 49:07
No.19 op.posth 50:19
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At first I thought "way too fast" but after a while I changed my mind. These waltzes are brilliantly delivered and I love this performance.
Call me a heretic. Fine.
The waltz was intentionally breathless as a dance. Take it from a dancer who also performed in social dancing. The waltz, you see, was INTENDED to be danced/played at such a tempo WITH the emotional variations you hear. THIS is why it was regarded as scandalous , especially by the deluded religious.
Chopin was a Romantic, who would tease and improvise humorously, and KNEW he pulled tears, laughter, and every emotion.
The stories, history, and observations of those who were privileged to live in his presence, exist, and even some of us miserable music students devoured all this, and as i do here, regurgitate it for you puppies.
R.I.P. Zoltán Kocsis he passed away today.
yes he is my favorite chopin waltz pianist ! :(
R.I.P. Kocsis Zoltán! He was a great pianist.
Marcus Jones no
Thank fuck for that. His playing is just absolutely disgraceful!
I have been fortunate enough to have been taught by some truly amazing teachers including a world leading authority on the interpretation of Chopin and this flies in the face of everything he taught me. And, as Chopin is my favourite composer, it just makes me mad. I'm actually quite a laid back kind of guy.
If you can play it slowly, you can play it quickly, but not sacrilegiously. This one is perfect
2set🙌
haha twoset violin😂
Amo Chopin 🎶💌🙏
Piano gaaaang!
@@DrMd-jr3xt YEAH
21:00 never seen someone play Minute Valse so freaking fast
CreepyRed Somebody's trying to play Minute Waltz in a minute lol
Same lol
BUT HE CAN'T!!!!XDXDXD
@@nurdvpn not as bad as some people trying to play 15 notes a second lol #twoset
@@clarayu5409 he did it really really clean for that tempo. Applaud for that
One of the best interpretation of Chopin's waltzes. This recording haven't many homemade honey-accents, sugar-like melodies... Chopin's music are full of surprises, vigorous harmonical effects, somietimes a weird left-hand sequences, like Kocsis's performance here. Good job!!!
Yes.
I think he plays it too fast
The interpration is breathtaking...I think that it is the best. Bravo Maestro Kocsis!
I love how the uploader has a tf2 meme profile picture. And then uploads sophisticated music. It's just hard to think of the two going like that. ;D
+Zac Clark I always thought that there was no one in the world that likes these two things both at the same time.But it seems you do! :D
Lol, your hoovy face goes perfectly with that comment.
+Zac Clark Of course it does! :P
+The Amazing Pootisman Hey, you never know who likes classical music. I mean like, I like the smoky dank may-mays and I can also list 40 something pianistic composers just off the top of my head.
+Zac Clark that's the spirit!!
Is it just me who sometimes feel slightly guilty that we are able to hear the posthumous waltzes? I've only performed B.150 and I felt like I was not supposed to share this with others, only play it by myself. Knowing that this waltz was supposed to be burnt, but Fontana (I think it was) chose to keep them and then after 100 years they got published... Just my opinion though. I mean Chopin was such a perfectionist, so likely these were not as bad as what he thought they were.
Well plenty of amazing posthumous works... Like Mozarts requiem, a whole bunch of Schubert works, and outside of music, the entire works of Franz Kafka.
chopin doesnt know what he's talking about then, b. 150 is beautiful
Everyone keeps criticizing Kocsis about playing too fast, too loud, with too much impetus and so on. People are so boring. They have listened to Chopin and they just want to keep listening to the same literal interpretations of the oldies. They still steam in their Rubinsteins and square Ashkenazys.
This interpretation is fresh, alive and with surprises. Accentuation of hidden melodies here and there. Taking passages in one breath while others would wait, tie their shoelaces and start again.
I'm so glad there are pianists like Kocsis and van Oort taking Chopin in different colours.
+Archishman Ghosh This is exactly what I think.
+Archishman Ghosh You're totally right dude. I absolutely love Rubinstein, but we must give a chance to all different points of view of Chopin's art...
+Archishman Ghosh Particular mention of 19-Waltz Op.posth. B.150. The tempo is perfect, how a Waltz should be danced to. All the other RUclips videos I've seen tend to drag the music.
+Archishman Ghosh I think is fun, but it breaks the purpose of a waltz, no one could dance to it but on the other hand no one dances waltz anymore anyway so.
Chopin waltzes are characteristic piano pieces and not for dancing. Only the first 4 waltzes are for dancing. He didn't write waltzes like the viennese did. Huneker (critic) mentions this too.
This is, for me, the definitive recording of Chopin's waltzes. Sure, he plays some of them quickly, but it is music to dance to.
I'd have a heart attack trying to keep up with this tempo.
@@sharonsalisbury7334 I'd risk it 😄
Nobody plays Chopin's waltzes better. When Kocsis is your first introduction to them and you listen to the others, there is no comparison.
+Agustín Barrios Mangoré Kissin is terrible, I'll pass.
Rubinstein does it 1000x better
+Gijs Wolfs I think they are both amazing pianists. The style is only personal taste... their level of playing Chopin is definitely equal.
+nicholas72611 Kissin is definitely not terrible, if anything, I think I prefer his style of playing to Chopin's Waltzes compared to anyone else.
It sounds good, but it isn't how the songs are supposed to be played. For example, in the Waltz Op.64 No.2 it clearly states "tempo giusto" in the score, yet the performer fucks around with tempo like nobody's business.
Kocsis will be missed.
Such a beautiful composition.....and with what magnificence,dexterity,rawness and exquisiteness kocsis zoltan played....RIP K.Zoltan.
-Grande Valse Brillante Op.34 No.2
My god, what a sound..
Well aren't you a little too sure of yourself! :D
He took it back to it's rustic roots.
"L'adieu" is the perfect title for Op. 69 No. 1. It's so melancholy, so longingly beautiful ... the first time I heard it was in the film "The Others" so I can't help but describe it as haunting, too.
42:50: Wow so pretty, so organisned so...
42:56: AAHHHHHH!
LMAO I laughed hahaha
@@amj.composer
wow 3 years ago, brings me back ;)
@@alexismiller2349 Recently a lot of my older comments have been resurfacing its fun to see them.
Yep
Ugh, his playing his elegant and smooth...I hope to be able to play music so elegantly one day...
same...
This was always my favourite interpretation of all and every single one of Chopin's Waltzes. Absolute masterpiece. I had that on vinyl and played it so much that the needle went to the other side.
I absolutely agree, I find the faster than normal tempo to be great and also really like the rubato. All the colors fit just right.
@@ItalianMappingBestMapper But you do not feel the faster tempo at the same time, it feels to be just right. It is really relaxed due to the technique of Mr. Kocsis
@@gliderfan6196 Exactly, it carries you forward with vitality but it doesn't feel rushed in the slightest
probably my favorite interpretation of the minute waltz.
welcome back
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Zoltán Kocsis RIP. A great master pianist !
Amazing artist, very sorry to hear about his death :( RIP Kocsis Zoltán!
Oh man! every time i just hear about someone, Domenico, Fred, EVERYBODY, I find out they are dead!
@@briseboy still, we can celebrate their life and artistry by listening to their music 🎶
Ah......perfect music for a lazy Monday afternoon here in LA. Thank you for uploading this delight.
Whenever Franzl didn't feel like teaching the piano, Frederic would don a blond wig and stand in for him. To make his friend laugh, Liszt would then play Chopin's waltzes at breakneck speed, and as such this performance is a triumph.
Honestly hilarious, where did you learn about this?
Whether Frederic would make Liszt's female students faint is another question. It would be a nice change of pace if they didn't after all....
I think i just found the best video on RUclips ever
Thanks for the synchronized score!
R.I.P Zoltán Kocsis. A great pianist. Two years ago, 2016, 6th November, was the day we pledged to honour his playing once and for all. Goodbye, Zoltán Kocsis!
Love the ending of Op. 34 No. 1, it gives such a playful vibe, amazing job!
46:25 Omg I love this waltz, that simple melody is so beautiful
Composed 1826 / 1827 , the manuscript being lost during Second World War.
yes agree is one of most beautiful things i never listened to
AS confirmed by S.Richter the best performer during his days of enough health. Belongs in the top of Chopins -Walzer performers. Let us never forget Zoltan !!
Poland is an amazing and special country blessed with the genius of its many artists. Much respect. Will always have a special place in my heart.
Chopin to najpiękniejsza spuścizna dla ludzkości. Dziękuję.
J'aime Kocsis Zoltan, il interprète si bien Chopin. C'est une mélodie qui me berce, en même temps me passionne. Cette mélodie est aussi mélancolique. J'aime tout simplement 💟
Waltz in E min B.56...the best interpretation I have heard yet! It is not payed enough and is my favourite Chopin waltz! I'm trying to learn it but I can only dream of playing it like that!
+Wayne Threadgate I can't even play it normally.But plannig to try waltz b.150 and b.44 . They are amazing too!
the refrain of this one sounds a lot like a minor key version of the refrain from Grande Valse Brilliante Op. 18
Chopins waltzes are some of my favorite music
My favourite performance of minute waltz
Életem egyik zenei meghatározója fogta magát és elment...
Most mihez kezdjek, amikor olyan jó "haverságban" voltunk?
Remélem, Glenn Gould- dal most már együtt játszanak valami
Bach kétzongorás versenyművet...
Nagyon, nagyon szomorú vagyok.
Isten Veled, Zoli!
17:33 very difficulte but very beautiful
The speed he is using is ungodly.
I think I kind of like it.
With a dance I think the tempo should stay reasonably consistent. His changes in tempo are terribly annoying. How can one dance to such seeming chaos?
@@TomCatFromMA these waltzes werent written to be danced to, rather to be performed in concerts and such
@@aidanguy2182 And yet, it is. His waltzes aren't made for dancing, they are independent pieces of music created only for interpretation. The reason he named them waltzes is because they have waltz elements like the standard waltz accompaniment, 3/4 time etc., but they're *not* made for dancing, that is a fact.
I just admired Zoltan Kocsis.s performance, I think he was a great one.
R.I.P. Kocsis Zoltán
A perfect recording, probably even better than those of Chopin specialists like Rubinstein or Horowitz. All accents, tempos, microtimes, touches as it has to be, not more, not less.
I love these songs forever and ever and ever. Anyone just learning how to play piano, stick with Chopin. He will be good to you forever and always!
Hm, lets watch a movie today.
*wants to open Netflix*
*stumbels across RUclips, clicks on this video*
One hour later, I’ve spent my entire Saturday evening listing to Chopin...
Corbis Vids
Time well spent :)
*You made the right choice*
Pootis
Just the entirely same situation right here.
Pootis
Some of Waltzes are too fast I think but it's Kocsis Zoltán's interpretation !! I love !
@Arjun Sharma :)
The E-major posth., 5th from last in this video, at around 43:13 - I have the Schirmer edition of Chopin waltzes (©1894, 1915; renewed 1922, 1943). It has 15, fingered by Rafael Joseffy.
This is the final one of the 15, and Joseffy, doubting its authenticity, declined to edit it; editing was done by Carl Mikuli. A note in a box at the top left states:
"This Valse, the authenticity of which is questioned, is inserted by the publisher, however, without Mr. Joseffy's editorial revision."
And at upper right, it is attributed: F. Chopin (1829).
My own impression, on playing it as written, was that it sounded too simplistic to be Chopin; or perhaps it was an idea he had sketched out, intending to return later to flesh out, but never got around to doing. Later collections of Chopin waltzes, both sheet music and recordings, contain this one without singling it out in any way, and seem to comprise typically 19 to 21 waltzes.
Anyone have any idea how this set of circumstances came about? Was this E major waltz questioned by anyone besides Rafael Joseffy? What was the basis of his doubt? How & when did its authenticity become established?
And why the varying number of "complete Chopin waltzes"? Were there some pieces being switched between being labeled Waltz vs Mazurka (both being 3/4)? [The 15 in the Schirmer collection are the first 15 of these 19.]
I'm aware that there are 6 lost waltzes, for which we have only the first 4 bars, due to a fire at his sister's house, where she had kept his effects after his death. I've seen those "thematic index" type entries, and none match any complete waltzes (as expected).
Fred
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I have known these so superficial treasures for ages and I can't decide forget them to listen to deeper pièces. Dear master, who learns me everything.
+Ludwig Van Beethoven The salon temper.
I love how both Zoltan and Rubenstein bring out the bottom voice in the right hand during the Piu Mosso in 07-Waltz Op.64 No.2 (C# Minor). Zoltan chooses to do it immediately after the Piu Lento (24:10) whereas Rubenstein chooses to do it on the very last time. Interesting choice that doesn't appear to be notated - I wonder if one took it from the other, if it's a coincidence, or if it is in fact notated in certain publications.
You noticed this too!!!
When I learned this waltz, I noticed the first notes in the RH of each measure were accented in the score(and as such, it is usually performed this way). However, when I played it myself I found it interesting to emphasize the last note of each measure instead (bottom voice in the RH as you describe).
Upon asking my piano teacher about this, he said that doing so didn't quite fit the rhythm of the waltz, as it was emphasizing the wrong pulse and would at best be idiosyncratic. So I'm so glad you pointed this out, that even the world's best do what I wanted to do too!
@@lifestyleastherapyafterstr9423 yeah its really interesting - i think your teacher is mostly correct, though it's often those idiosyncrasies that give each player their own character. i wonder how much of it is truly intentional and how much is maybe because the thumb plays those notes and the tendency is to hit a little harder with that finger. it seems like it's extra prominent in that spot though, and those guys are so intentional with their playing I have to assume it's at least mostly on purpose
I'm reading the Chopin biography now by Jeremy Nicholas. A great composer and a great teacher. His music teaches from beyond the grave.
Chopin would only teach girls i was told .
He taught anyone who could afford his price, which was high, the price of a box seat at the opera. He taught a fifteen year old boy who was a real prodigy. But he died mysteriously, Back then people were dying all the time from all kinds of things. Germs. In Beethoven's time women were not allowed to perform in public, but that was changing, in Paris.
+Ken Nickels But girls was the first of his priorities, and maybe they should pay less than boys !
That boy's name? Albert Einstein.
@@oOpumpkinheadOo 2070 paradigm shift?
My condolences for the passing of this great pianist. Such delicacy and brilliance in these Waltzes.
prob best interpretation of op 18 ive heard
Worth listening to just to get to:
Grand Valse Brilliante Op 34, No.2!!!
So hauntingly beautiful!💔
And: Waltz, Op 69, No.2!!!
So thrillingly poignant💔
Both are deeply moving!
Thank you for posting this! ☺️❤️
I'm a great admirer of the late Zoltan Kocsis mainly because he pretty much owned Bartok's highly demanding music. Whether he was a great Chopin waltzes interpreter I am less sure. These performances are brilliant, original, and sometimes provoking, but I can't help finding him impossibly rushed, to the point of being indifferent, in many places. His idiosyncrasies sometimes work well and sometimes don't. To be fair there are many great moments also. It's a mixed bag in my humble opinion. He doesn't seem to have recorded any Chopin apart from the Waltzes, which I find surprising. I had thought the Etudes would have been a more likely candidate.
I'm not an aficionado but I do love Chopin. A waltz is a dance. This performer's insanely rushed passages don't seem to me to be how Chopin would have wanted them played. The dancers would be going nuts trying to keep up and then be hit with unpredictable slow-downs at times. I'm incredulous. Too erratic and unpredictable. Just because you can play something fast doesn't mean that you should.
On the contrary, Chopin stressed to his publishers that neither his waltzes, nor his mazurkas were meant for dancing. Sure, he plays with a little bit too much rubato here and there, or he plays a little too fast on some of the pieces, which Chopin may not have approved of, I still think that Chopin would have appreciated most of these.
@@happypiano4810 yeah the fact that most of chopin's waltzes would just ruin the mood of the dance(XD everyone would get gloomy, wouldn't they lol) so in that sense i completely agree with you that these were fine. In fact, i'd even say I found a lot of them to be the best on youtube.
@@TomCatFromMA no one can dance to a lot of them even if they were played slower lol, i.e. there would naturally be more focus on the pianist than the dancers lol also if one were to dance to that for some reason beyond me, it's actually very much possible with the rubato...although yes it would differ from the traditional waltz where everything seems to be the same all throughtout.
hmm well, from what I've read of the other comments, the general opinion is that it's rushed yet still somewhat good. My opinion, however, is that this style just makes *most*(not all, the last few waltzes did feel rushed at parts, which I don't exactly mind, but the waltz in a minor tho lol) of them sound really nice! I doubt Chopin would want it to be played like that, but who cares, a pianist can have as much freedom as they want...and Zoltan, as you know, has a peculiar interpretation and style so it would feel more forced to him at slower tempi. Also to me, I've never liked recordings of Chopin's waltzes as much as I did listening to these...one might say the emotions got ruined but to me, the musicality and emotions were retained, and even more at certain parts. (now ofc consider waltz in a min posth out of whatever i said XD)
Best Chopin performance ever. Minute waltz is the best option for a hotline in Polish Courts
WOW Chopin would be proud of these performances...GREATNESS!!!
sublime, gentle yet energetic,,, rich in texture and subtexture,,
Breaking: Zoltán Kocsis is dead. Tremendous loss.
Thanks to posting it. Very good. I love so much Chopin's Piano Pieces.
Elbűvölő. Koszönöm ezt a csodálatos előadást.
This is pure gold dude, thanks.
Amazing performance some of them its like a hear them first time.
Interesting you say that. Kocsis had this goal: to keep the works fresh and immediate, so the audience felt they were hearing something for the first time. It seems he achieved that goal.
I love his interpretation of op 64 no 2 ! So beautiful !
¡Qué preciosura de interpretación de la esencia noble del vals! Regocijo con el nº 3 en concreto. Disfruten del legado de este gran artista.
Beautiful performance. Thanks
Do the tempi Zoltan plays at seem too fast to anyone else? I feel like a lot of important notes are getting cut off too prematurely because of it.
Definitely noticed it in the 64#2 Waltz, way too fast.
@@OverFjell my thoughts too, although I found his enterpretation quite interesting still. It is just a little different...
Zoltan is stunningly good at interpreting Bartok and Debussy's music, not Chopin. I'm pretty interested that this video has a lot of views though he is not Chopin specialist.
@@OverFjell waaaaaay too fast, kissin's version is perfect
I Iiked the tempo of no 17
Bass Aufstieg/Abstieg:
(10:24)
(21:12) Minute Waltz Op.64 No.1
(40:29)
(40:40) walzer e moll
staccato tonrepition:
43:48
45:52
Nachschlagnoten:
44:09
Idee verziert:
50:36
23:11
(typisch Chopin)
Kocsis Zoltan is the best in waltz ..
Ever since I heard Valentina Listisa play Op 64 No 2 too fast I thought I would never enjoy this piece unless it were slow. But this guy plays it fast and perfectly.
Like those waltzes, Kocsis lived his life so fast...I still miss him.
41:07 Wut
The first 3 lines repeat but the last line is different.
The excessive speed of some of these waltzes remind me of the Kentucky Derby race...... And ........They're .........OFF!!! Even Secretariat wouldn't have been able to keep up the speed that I hear in the Minute Waltz!! ;)
Which makes them great for those dumb ballet stretches I used to do. It's kinda like Zumba Chopin
Zumba Chopin, this made my year sir. Thanks
lol this comment.. It's an actually funny critique instead of all those dull ones I read. I did think some of them could have been slowed a little bit. but then this is the pianists interpretation so it's gonna be the way he wants.
I'm closing my eyes and trying to picture the dance floor where waltzing couples are trying their level best to keep up with the breakneck changes of tempo in these. . . :-)
Fred
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I thought that way at first. But his playing has grown on me (and is far better than what I can do).
Woah. Fresh takes on the score. Some tempos are very quick, but adds liveliness to the piece.
Frederic Chopin is a real geniusGreat job
I never thought of playing it so fast, but in my opinion it doesn't lose quality after all. However, the tempo changes make them kinda interesting.
24:09 so beautiful.
34:37 11-Waltz Op.posth.70 No.1
Awesome really full of energy huge round of applause
Well, the original author being Freddie, I suspect he (cough) was not really consulted, BUT Zoltan is marvelus with tempi, suiting Fred (&, incidentally, me) magnificently. We are graced with a master, playing as Ricky surely did and intended that others do.
No. 1 is the best interpretation I've ever heard.
Stravinsky's orchestral arrangement of this work is great as well!
Several subtle differences between Zoltan and the score.
That's because there are two versions of the waltz. One is Chopin's original autographic version, and one is Fontana's edited version. Fontana's versions are usually the ones you can find, so that's why the sheet music in the video has Fontana's version, but the original version is actually played. This is true of (at least) the following waltzes:
op. 69, no. 1
op. 69, no. 2
op. 70, no. 1
op. 70, no. 2
@@karolakkolo123 where can I get the sheet music?
@@tigerphantom354 I have the Urtext edition of Chopin's waltzes (G. Henle Verlag). The book has both versions for few waltzes. I'm not sure about where to find them online though. Imslp has a tab called "transcriptions and arrangements" under most pieces and maybe you'll have some luck finding it there. I'll look myself later and update my comment
@@karolakkolo123 thank u can you please scan the book?
I would really appreciate it if u can scan it and send it to tigerzha66@gmail.com
I do love his opus 64, No. 3 in A flat Major. It's light and whimsical.....very nice!
some of the waltzes were too fast and got ruined for me
but it's Zoltan's interpretation
@@sziklaszilard8413 It was too fast...Moreover, i composed them
@@sziklaszilard8413 be quiet
I agree. For me, Op. 64 No. 1 and 2 are way too fast.
But it's Zoltan's interpretation.
@@ruchirrawat8804 but ur a snob, you even complained against liszt's interpretation so no one cares L
XD
@@mostafa12890 lol i found them to be better....the ones i would like slower would be the last few waltzes
I love this sound so much
Air After b6
Halhatatlan Kocsis Zoltán ❤️🌹
@@sziklaszilard8413 Számomra Ő egy minden tekintetben nagy művész, nem is szoktam múlt időben fogalmazni. Nincs olyan, hogy Ő volt...
@@sziklaszilard8413 😔
@@sziklaszilard8413 jó lett volna személyesen ismerni...
@@sziklaszilard8413 Én sajnos soha. 😥 Csak mindig csodálattal hallgattam ahol tudtam. A cisz-moll keringő az Ő előadásában tetszett a legjobban. Olyan nincs még egy...👌♥️
it's really nice to hear pianist play the warsaw autograph of op 69 -1
J'aime bien le mi bécarre ajouté par l'interprétation dans la valse de l'adieu.
+Nicolas Messina j'aime peu son interprétation...
Globalement moi non plus mais j'ai l'oeil de l'amateur.
Passei a adolescência ouvindo Chopin por Guiomar Novaes, todos os dias. Toquei algumas peças.
i love this so much, every time i write papers for college i listen to this first
the pianist is playing the urtext edition, but the video shows the Royal School Edition,
BTW thanks for uploading the video as the pianist played beautifully but somehow too strong touch
+Aaron Chan So those things that he is doing differently is written down and not improvised?
+Archishman Ghosh yes, he played with urtext edition, but shown with Royal School edition
C'est tellement beau ♡.♡
15:55 One of the most beautiful melodic moments of Chopin!
Waltz Op.posth. B.46 is heavenly, never heard it before!
Same feeling when I found this video.
In spite of Chopin's precision in his manuscripts (and expectation of the performer to adhere slavishly to it), I find that Kocsis' additions to op. 69, no. 1 are novel, appropriate, and a pleasure to listen to: in the first measure of the B section (con anima), he changes the middle voice to three quavers, F-G-D..., a simple, smooth counterpoint which seems to complement the rather playful melody. Smaller, but equally effective an addition is the E natural which appears leading into the C section (dolce), a motif which he continues to use (F sharp instead of F natural) in the penultimate section leading into the repetition of C. I understand why purists take issue with such emendations, but nonetheless they seem to fit well with the overall character of the piece.
If I knew what you are talking about :))) unfortunately barely know any music theory, keys, chords, etc :))) however, learning a piece and playing it beautifully has nothing to do with theory, that's why dare trying to imitate these beautiful interpretations. Though I think when you are on that level where you just simply add some extra notes in order to make a piece even more beautiful and enjoyable, that's just completely amazing. But I don't think I will understand this theoretical correlation between chords and keys any time soon :DDD
Perhaps I just lack refinement, but for several of these Waltz's i just look for the slowest version I can find.
Op. 64 No. 2 - Kissin
Op. 34 No. 2 - Zoltan
Posth. in E Minor - Rubinstein
Anyone who tries to go faster than these versions I just can't enjoy :/
My favourite one, first, played too fast. I respect great technique, but it looks almost looks like he wanted to show off. Don't get me wrong - there's nothing wrong with that in many cases. For just pure listeners it's probably more suitable, for someone who actually plays this - even Chopin wanted it to play different- you have clues in notes ;))
Someone will prefere this version to any others - nothing wrong with that. There's no need to argue about best version, it's purely subjective, just try at least few others ;)
He was very young when it was recorded, maybe that's why. I totally agree with you - yet this is my favorite interpretation for personal reasons. I remember the day when my Mum came home with this LP in 1983, we just listened and listened. The pianist passed away a few years ago (after a wonderful career as a conductor), I became old but my Mum is still healthy and happy, thank God.