Teoh Yi Chie I certainly hope not! That is actually very useful information for someone wanting an iPad, but who is unwilling or unable to get the newest version. Thank you for your honest opinion.
While the extra storage and processing power are enticing, my 1st Gen 12.9" is still clicking along nicely and see no reason to upgrade this time around. I think the bigger iPad news was iOS 11 and perhaps that is where the newer spec'd iPads may be noticeably different.
Thank you for having a real review. Tired of people bouncing their hands around the device talking about tech specs and saying the same thing everyone else says.
Bought one of these on eBay that came with a bunch of accessories for around 500$USD and a 1st Gen Apple Pencil for 75$. I don't really feel the need to use any of the newer iPad Pros since this is still a pretty great tool to use for art and works with iPadOS 14 as of writing this comment.
I had a 10th gen iPad ruclips.net/user/postUgkxhcEDB3r-OJ3_X5hQzr7k1ZofTQy1ao_U . Felt it getting pretty slow at times even after doing a reset. So I am using that as a tablet for my 5 year old son and got this 9th gen version. MUCH faster, a little slimmer, smaller bezels, all around a leap forward. Plus, for the price that’s about $130-$150 cheaper than a current new model this is a nice deal. I look forward to the M-series CPUs coming into iPads which will really help future proof these tablets better but these latest CPUs are pretty strong and should do better to last several years with no compromises.
can't believe your previous iPad pro already broke-- it worries me wether I should invest in their products or just go for cintiq...it's just so expensive if it's lifespan is just some couple years and it's troublesome to take it to the warranty every time it shuts down..but I appreciate your honesty in your review! makes me reconsider and rethink whether spending money on apple is actually worthwhile
It's 2020 i know but I'm getting my first iPad and it's this unit. I'm really excited 💖 I have a lil fomo since it's the prev gen but I couldn't justify shelling out $1k+ for the 2018 iPad and I'm not a pro artist I'm just a hobbyist. Thank you for this review 🙏🏻💖
@@tobi8706 I haven't played games on it. For my purposes performance is fine. You'll probably find older reviews of the iPad 12.9 2nd gen for gaming. I've just started using it so will wait and so about video editing. For me, the convenience of being able to edit video on the 12.9 with Luma Fusion or iMovie while relaxing in the evening compensates for any slower rendering speeds compared to today's M1 iPads. I just enjoy using the iPad.
Wonderful review, well spoken, and concise. ...and this is the best part; you are also an artist! I have been illustrating on Samsung Note Pro 12.2 tablet and disappointed a new one is not going to be released. I use Sketchbook Pro (older version). I had been yearning for better resolution for more detailed work. The only thing holding me back from iPad was the exact same thing which happened to you; they want it to be a disposable product. That is a shame. However, I just might buy it, to see if it can motivate me to get back to my drawings...
Thanks for the info Teoh 👍 I purchased my iPad Pro 12.9 (non-cellular) seven months ago and am happy to learn that I'm not missing out on much with the upgrade.
Hi Teoh, flak or not, i would rather get your honest opinion on everything you review instead of the politically correct version (aka "no flak"!) - that is part of the beauty of your reviews! People need to understand that your review is your opinion based on the way you use/d the item and the purpose for which you bought (or borrowed!). I am not an apple fan. I had their phone and could not wait to get rid of it. We have iPads galore at home due initially to curiosity and later by inheriting them from work and school. I do love their ipods though and have been using them for years. But i have to admit i have been looking at the 12.9 ipad in the past few months looking for a reason to get one (and replace the old little Galaxy Pro Tab!) Your review is very timely and will cost me money :-) Thank you for taking the time to film and post this!
Thank you for the review! This came at a perfect time as I'm saving up for an ipad pro myself. I bought many art supplies based on your reviews both on RUclips and on your website articles. I find your reviews r great and quite trustworthy. Last bought the Epson Perfection V39 and ur review on that was the final decision maker.
Just came across your review while researching the iPad. Very well done! I hope it isn’t too late but if you’re in the US and used a credit card to make the purchase, try contacting the credit card company. They often automatically add an extra year of warranty to your purchase as a free service and can help you take care of your issue.
hey I have been using this exact iPad and the battery can get a lot worse over time and also is pretty heavy. I’m pretty surprised it still lasts after 2 years
Theo - thank you very much! Your review has been very helpful! I bought the 10.5 a few days ago, and have just ordered the 12.9 instead. Seeing you place the smaller sketchbook on the screen was very effective, and was the deciding factor for me. My fingers are crossed, hoping it won't be too heavy.
Teoh-i would be interested in tutorials on using the drawing apps on the IPad Pro. I am just starting to use mine for sketching. Thank you for all of reviews, tutorials & travelogues!
You bought at iPad Pro? For simpler drawing apps, I suggest Paper by 53 (free) and Wacom Bamboo Paper. For more advanced apps, try Procreate and Medibang Paint Pro (free). I've a tutorial for Medibang at ruclips.net/video/nXm2cFPOm4M/видео.html Check out this artist who does very good work with Paper by 53 www.wagonized.com/
Hey will you test the new surface pen ? As now it has 4000+ sensitivity and tilt which only an artist can distinguish from 1024 levels sensitivity and no tilt ! Really want to see .
+Joseph Mcqueen I will see if I can get one to review. The new Surface Pen is out of stock and waiting time is 3 months or so I've heard. Anyway, I've seen some writing samples and it seems that there is still some amount of jitter when drawing slow diagonal lines. I can't say more unless I use it more comprehensively.
Im torn between getting the 10.5" & 12.9". I like the 10.5" for the portability and to be able to sketch while holding it in one hand, but i like the 12.9" for the extra screen size. I currently use an ipad mini, so either size would be a huge upgrade to me. Wish there was an ipad mini pro so i could use the Apple Pencil with it. If there was, i'd probably end up getting the 12.9" for the extra screen size and an ipad mini pro for when i wanted to be more mobile. But since there is no indication from Apple about them ever releasing an ipad mini pro, i think getting the 10.5" is the happy medium. I don't think i'd get both the 10.5" AND the 12.9" tho. That would be overkill. Apple sure makes it tough to decide! Great channle and art work by the way! 👍🏼
Hello I was torn between the two also and decided on the 12.9. It's wonderful and grand. I really appreciate the larger size using the split screen. If you know someone who as access to Aafees you can get 17% off the price plus tax free and free shipping. I paid under $780 with 256.
The battery suddenly stops working? Warranty or not, it's scary for device from brand name like Apple and cost more than $1,000 USD just stop working like that... It's not even 2 years...
+Caseko CSK Yep. Someone mentioned here that maybe it could be repaired and I was just back from Apple Service Centre. They said they do not repair. If you are out of warranty. Too bad. The replacement cost is usd 700.
+MrM00stache BS. They have the highest customer satisfaction rates in relevant surveys AND the higher resale value. You don't retain resale value with products that "break". Tons of people still use their iPads 2 or other such 5+ year old models...
+DrawTimeInc > That's ridiculous I was think about buying one but I think I'm just gonna get an xp pen instead. Because those don't break? Don't base your decisions in what some random people on the internet post, check a model for yourself. iPads have sold 100s of millions, obviously some production runs will be faulty, you can always fix under warranty. If it happens out of warranty, well, it could also happen to any other brand out of warranty.
would u still recommend this for 2020 for digital art use? i dont wanna spend a lot of money for the new ones if this gen can still suffice for digital art use
Yeah, this should still perform well today. Great if you can find it at a good price. Do check out refurbished iPad Air 3 and iPad Pro 2018 from Apple website to compare prices
Wow, I like it but it's more than I paid for my laptop. My whole family has apple products. I'm not in their world though I can't afford Apple so I go with Acer and Lenova, etc. But I like yours and thanks for the video showing it off. Have a great day.
Teoh, what is your workflow like? What device do you start a project with and finish with? What do your consider a good device for work? I don't consider the Wacom Intuos blind tablets ideal. They're dated tech. Surface Pro pros: desktop software, portable, touch, pen, keyboard cons: windows PC or Mac with Wacom Cintiq or chinese equivalent tablet pros: desktop software, workstation, pen cons: not portable Ipad Pro pros: pen, touch, apps, iOS, portable, cons: requires a pc/mac to complete work, require desktop software and iOS apps Which one do you prefer?
What are the different ways that the split-screen mode could be used by digital artists? I think this topic deserves more discussion. I would love to see a video with some ideas.
For me, I just open a graphics app on the right, and a web browser on the left for reference. That's what my colleague do too. Actually, split screen is no different from multi-tasking on a computer.
Uh... There are LOTS of laptops that can use a pen. You might want to check out the new Surface Pro 2017 - the fifth model in the series (its been around for over five years). And the current model has a pen (optional) that can do tilt and 4096 pressure levels.. .also include an integrated eraser. The Surface Laptop is a more traditional laptop design and can use the same pen - but doesn't support tilt. The Surface Book is a combination laptop/tablet where you can detach the screen and use it as a tablet. Also uses the same pen and can support tilt. Samsung makes several similar laptops including the Samsung Book 9.
Don't be too caught up by the marketing. Ultimately, it will come down to the actual user experience when you're drawing with the device. Just because you can draw on the screen doesn't mean you may want to. It's an awkward experience. If it's just to write some quite notes, draw simplified diagrams, it's fine. But definitely not for drawing longer. Again, I've to emphasize, you have to try it for yourself. Some styluses are just not good enough yet.
This review is great and makes me really consider getting an IPad Pro. I've kind of always felt the iPad was just a weird side product. The only thing holding me back is I also really like the Surface Pro and I'm really in need of a new computer. Are you gonna do a review for the Surface Pro 2017 anytime soon?
+James Perkins Hi, I’m going to upload the Surface Pro 2017 review next. If you need a new computer, the new Surface Pro is a very compelling option now. It has improved a lot over SP4 for drawing purposes.
Teoh thank you for the review seems no compelling reasons to do the upgrade of my 1st gen ipad pro .the Changes or hardware upgrade barely noticeable .
Bro keep doing the review thing remember that you are the reason( your honest sweet opinion) i bought my old ipad pro .And to be honest your review always save tons to money to spent on useless crap.Keep the spirit alive Be the Theo on us!!!!
I've never had any model of these, so this is probably a stupid question. Am I correct in assuming they don't have a changeable battery? Thank you for this in-depth review. I like how you included a lot of details regarding actual usage and weight. Kudos and keep up the good work.
Teoh Yi Chie I should have written that differently. I was wondering if the back comes off to allow access to the battery. It was just answered in another post, so no need to reply to this one. Thanks again 😃
Heather Catlady Oh, the battery is built-in, non-removable. So to actually replace it, you may have to go back to Apple or a third party repair shop. It is difficult to remove the battery without proper tools and experience.
When u compare the pencil lag differences between Microsoft surface or Samsung or dell or chromebook or any other difference the apple iPad will always come on top.. loook at the response... they nail it.
Two things to note. Lag also depends on the app you're using. The other thing is because Apple's refresh rate is now 120FPS, it makes the drawn stroke look smooth as it appears on screen. However, there's still a gap between the tip and the stroke appearing. It's not instant, but because of the refresh rate, it makes everything feels smoother and hence look like there's no lag. On the Samsung Tab S3, the refresh rate is lower and some apps aren't using the full refresh rate available which makes the drawn stroke look even more jerky (like coming out piece by piece) when drawn, even if the strokes are smooth and accurate.
Can you see if you can draw on a Samsung view 18.4" tab i something big and around 500$ if medibang and Ibispaint x works smoothly than ill get that because i cannot afford an i pad pro
I just ordered a 10.5 model and I'm very excited about it, but just read a lot about "white spot issue" and am kinda worried. It doesn't seem that visible and I still prefer the 2017 Pro over the 2019 Air, but still a little bit worried. Since you have yours for a long time, have you experienced this issue?
Thanks for your review. I got mine in Jan 2017 so I'm glad the new one is just marginally better. lol. I have a local contact (Singapore) for someone who might be able to repair your old iPad at a reasonable rate.
I've already sent it to a third party shop and they did not manage to repair it. They did not know what's wrong. Even after replacing the so called spoilt component, the thing still does not charge.
This young chap (doing his NS) does his repairs at home and you can negotiate with him on pricing. Maybe just give him a call and see what he says? Ah Chao 92397303
Thank you for your review! It is very helpful... But would you recommend getting a protection plan w/ it when buying? Or is the device pretty stable, reliable for years and we don't need it? Did you buy any protection plans?
What a great review! Thank you so much. I want to buy a 12.9 iPad Pro, so what do you recommend? Go for last stock of 1st generation or buy a brand new 2 nd? I think there last 1st gen is only 150$ - 175$ cheaper than the new one. Is it worth it? Thanks!
I cannot decide between the 12.9 inch and the 10.5 iPad Pro :-( I would like to draw with it and make some notes at the university... I already have a MacBook ...
Thank you for your videos they help a lot:) I was wondering you said your iPad pro (old one) broke down months ago exactly how old was it? My mom had a problem with here iPad mini 2 just stopped working and they were not very old. I just don't want to buy an iPad pro and the same thing happens. I am looking at the Microsoft surface also:)
@@teohyc Wow another reason not to get Ipad my moms was just over a year. They don't wear to good if they only last a year before breaking. Thank you so much.
Best tablet for drawing is currently, in my opinion, the iPad Pro with Apple Pencil. iPad Pro 10.5 for the portability, and 12.9 for the extra large screen size. If you have limited budget, then perhaps the Samsung Tab S3. On iPad, there are many good drawing apps. E.g. Procreate, Paper by FiftyThree, Medibang Paint Pro, Wacom Bamboo Paper, Paintstorm, Adobe Sketch, Tayasui Sketches Pro (crashes a lot).
Hi.. nice review... still am so confused of what version of ipad pro to buy. Am a graphic designer so u know so much sketching and i love drawings and want to start digital art.. so what version to get ?what generation ? 2nd or 3rd? 12.9 or 10.5
Get the iPad Pro from 2017. Significantly cheaper for the same performance. 10.5 if you want to hold in one hand to draw. 12.9 you will need to support it on tablet, or lap all the time. Adding a case will make them heavier too.
+MikeMajin9k If you find the 12 inch bulky, it's still going to be bulky. The 10.5 is going to be much more portable. Go to an Apple Store to see in real life.
Nice review, Sir. I was wondering if i can edit and collaging/ scrapbooking or simply editing product photos with Ipad using Affinity for Ipad apps or should i just go with Surface Pro 4 and rely back on Photoshop again? Can you make a good suggestion for me, because it seems that Procreate apps is more fun than Photoshop haha
You can definitely do collage/scrapbook type of art. Actually either SP4 or iPad Pro can do it. If you are getting a main machine, then the SP4 is better because it can install desktop and tablet apps, and has useful OS functionality. If you already have a main computer, then iPad Pro is better because the battery life is much better and also the user experience is better with Apple Pencil.
Hi Teoh, did your previous PRO break without falling or any accidental damage? how many years of warranty do you have there ( we have 2 in EU )? that is not a really good news
would it work if you keep it connected to the power cable? that shouldn't happen with such an expensive tablet, and if i can ask how much would it cost to fix it?
Someone here said that it could be repaired. So I went to Apple Service Centre to check that out. They said they don't repair iPads. They only replace 1-1. And that will cost me USD $700 since mine was out of warranty. It does not work when connected to power cable. I think maybe it's either the battery of the charging port that has problem.
Sorry to hear that, I would not destroy the tablet maybe the make some recall campaign. Maybe on macrumors somebody knows how to fixit, if you need it I can ask for you.
I love your detailed reviews and was waiting for this review after watching ipad pro 2 unboxing. can you please suggest whether i should buy a budget wacom graphic tablet or ipad pro 2. My only purpose is to capture what i write on screen to create tutorial videos and save what i have written as notes. I will be writing a lot in my content so what do u suggest. i am a beginner.
+Shubhankar Biswas With Wacom tablet, you will be writing on your computer, after that your files will be saved directly on it and you can use that to create your tutorial. It's easy. With the iPad Pro, you have to transfer the notes to your computer each time you want to use them. If you want to create video tutorials on your iPad Pro, you have to research if there is any app that allows you to do that. If not, the transferring of notes each time to computer is quite inconvenient. Also, the Wacom tablet is so much cheaper. The iPad Pro 10.5 is already USD $650 and Apple Pencil is $100. The refurbished iPad Pro 9.7 is $470 and is actually quite worth it. But Wacom tablet is less than $150 only. It really depends on your budget and workflow.
Teoh Yi Chie thank you very much .... i think i will go for wacom, because i will need to record the screen of computer while writing as well as edit videos on it. With ios11 we can record ipad screen but eventually i will need to edit videos.
Hello, nice video, i have one question regarding the screen protector, did you notice any difference with the pencil in terms of sensitivity? Touch? Pressure? Thank you!
I want to upgrade from the iPad Air 2. The main reason is that I want to use it for note taking and photo colour correcting. Do you think its worth it??
what screen cover will you use to protect the screen from pencil scratches but still keeping the response and sensitivity from the pencil? Thanks fort the vid!
Im planning to buy an ipad pro and I dont know which size to buy!! I want some recommendation ,I dont draw digital a lot but i just wanted to have a tablet to draw on as ipads are more affordable than tablets ? I want to know if it's worth it to spend some more money to get the 12.9 ipad pro or not since I dont draw digital a lot and I'm just trying it.
I have the exact same model and I use it for art mostly with procreate. But I noticed the glass is way less smoother for the apple pencil causing more friction. Apparently the new coating is for glare and finger oil reduction but at the expense of the apple pencil which makes no sense, its like apple completely forgot about the pencil. I'm thinking of getting a screen protector, any advice? I wish apple would release various types of nibs for the pencil like surface pro.
OhMyBooda Many artists actually prefer the increased friction as it brings the digital drawing experience closer to drawing on real paper, canvas, etc. Some add screen protectors to add even more friction / drag for the pencil.
Did you do any drawing with the Apple Pencil it before putting on the matte screen protector? I am curious if the new anti-glare coating makes the screen less slippery. I had an first generation 12.9 (which was stolen a few days ago) and like you I was using a screen protector with a matte finish to make it feel more like drawing on paper. Just curious if this is still really necessary now that the native screen has the anti-glare coating.
It's still drawing on glass, so it's still going to be slippery, although Apple Pencil combo with the iPad is not as slippery compared to other glossy screen tablets.
i want to use mine as a phone, i noticed you use a phone app....does it work like a normal phone? I didnt know it did not come with a phone app built in so i didnt get one today....im still reasearching....i currently use a Samsung galaxy tab 10.1 2014 edition as a phone....drawing in it crashes EVERTIME hence i want the ipad
Teoh hi. Thank you for your review. I cannot find the right stylus/or pen for this 2nd generation IPad Pro. I did not see where you mentioned what one you are using. They are all for 2018 and up, that I have found. Can you help me, please?
For a digital illustrator, would you think the 64gb model could work considering cloud storage? Or is it such a hassle that the 256+ model should be considered?
+Bmains If you are using cloud storage a lot, I guess 64gb should be enough. But it gets filled up quite fast after you install several apps, maybe you want to copy a few movies or download some iTunes movies.
I just got the IPad pro and pencil, I wanted the Samsung tab s3 but it wasnt cellular compatable. I am a woodworker and want to use the IPad for scetching up plans besides useing graph paper. do you have any suggestions for apps.
Teoh , thats a neat deailed review, as always! Please suggest me if ipad pro is something correct for me. I am a beginer in graphic textile/jacquard designer and i work on raster bmp image (2000 sq pixels)with repeats pattern .. most of the art creating software are vector graphic ones and not raster images in appstore .. i will need only neat 1 square pixel pencil tool with effects like amaziograph app .. i am currently using desktop photoshop and paintshop for my work and my general art work is (420 x 420 pix) and i need a tool where i can create amaziograph like raster images with no blur pixels when using a pen tool.This will be very helpful Thanks
+vikas pv I am actually not sure about that. When a brush is at 1px, is it still considered a square? There are definitely apps that can produce 1px brushes. E.g. Procreate, Adobe Sketch. The other concern is, I am not sure how repeated patterns can be created. I checked on the App Store and there is an Amaziograph app but I did not use that.
So... I can expect the battery to go soon after the warranty expires and then it will be cheaper to spend another $1100 for total replacement than to replace the battery. Is that what I hear you saying?
At least to me, I don't see any noticeable effect on parallax error. I'm using a thin matte screen protector. I've tried my friend's iPad Pro with thick tempered glass protector and... same thing, non-noticeable parallax error
I'm probably going to get some flak for saying that the new iPad Pro is only marginally better. But that's just how I feel. ヾ(⌐■_■)ノ♪
Thanks Teoh. Your honest reviews are always appreciated
Teoh Yi Chie I certainly hope not! That is actually very useful information for someone wanting an iPad, but who is unwilling or unable to get the newest version. Thank you for your honest opinion.
Teoh Yi Chie maybe it's because I use Samsung amoled screens but the refresh rate didn't seem that impressive!
While the extra storage and processing power are enticing, my 1st Gen 12.9" is still clicking along nicely and see no reason to upgrade this time around. I think the bigger iPad news was iOS 11 and perhaps that is where the newer spec'd iPads may be noticeably different.
Yep. I think that's accurate. However I upgraded anyway to the smaller size iPad because i just can't lug the 12.9 inch around everyday.
Thank you for having a real review. Tired of people bouncing their hands around the device talking about tech specs and saying the same thing everyone else says.
+Palm Springs Detailer Thanks :-)
Bought one of these on eBay that came with a bunch of accessories for around 500$USD and a 1st Gen Apple Pencil for 75$. I don't really feel the need to use any of the newer iPad Pros since this is still a pretty great tool to use for art and works with iPadOS 14 as of writing this comment.
I had a 10th gen iPad ruclips.net/user/postUgkxhcEDB3r-OJ3_X5hQzr7k1ZofTQy1ao_U . Felt it getting pretty slow at times even after doing a reset. So I am using that as a tablet for my 5 year old son and got this 9th gen version. MUCH faster, a little slimmer, smaller bezels, all around a leap forward. Plus, for the price that’s about $130-$150 cheaper than a current new model this is a nice deal. I look forward to the M-series CPUs coming into iPads which will really help future proof these tablets better but these latest CPUs are pretty strong and should do better to last several years with no compromises.
can't believe your previous iPad pro already broke-- it worries me wether I should invest in their products or just go for cintiq...it's just so expensive if it's lifespan is just some couple years and it's troublesome to take it to the warranty every time it shuts down..but I appreciate your honesty in your review! makes me reconsider and rethink whether spending money on apple is actually worthwhile
It's 2020 i know but I'm getting my first iPad and it's this unit. I'm really excited 💖 I have a lil fomo since it's the prev gen but I couldn't justify shelling out $1k+ for the 2018 iPad and I'm not a pro artist I'm just a hobbyist. Thank you for this review 🙏🏻💖
How is it? Thinking of geting a refurnished one
Very interesting and helpful review. Just bought the same iPad in 2022, saved a bundle!
You think is good for art in 2022
@@tobi8706 I don't use it for art, only editing photos and video and displaying music scores. Beautiful screen!
@@AnandaGarden how's the performance?
Have you played any games?
@@tobi8706 I haven't played games on it. For my purposes performance is fine. You'll probably find older reviews of the iPad 12.9 2nd gen for gaming. I've just started using it so will wait and so about video editing. For me, the convenience of being able to edit video on the 12.9 with Luma Fusion or iMovie while relaxing in the evening compensates for any slower rendering speeds compared to today's M1 iPads. I just enjoy using the iPad.
Wonderful review, well spoken, and concise.
...and this is the best part; you are also an artist!
I have been illustrating on Samsung Note Pro 12.2 tablet and disappointed a new one is not going to be released. I use Sketchbook Pro (older version). I had been yearning for better resolution for more detailed work. The only thing holding me back from iPad was the exact same thing which happened to you; they want it to be a disposable product. That is a shame.
However, I just might buy it, to see if it can motivate me to get back to my drawings...
Thanks for the info Teoh 👍 I purchased my iPad Pro 12.9 (non-cellular) seven months ago and am happy to learn that I'm not missing out on much with the upgrade.
The previous model is still really good.
Hi Teoh, flak or not, i would rather get your honest opinion on everything you review instead of the politically correct version (aka "no flak"!) - that is part of the beauty of your reviews! People need to understand that your review is your opinion based on the way you use/d the item and the purpose for which you bought (or borrowed!). I am not an apple fan. I had their phone and could not wait to get rid of it. We have iPads galore at home due initially to curiosity and later by inheriting them from work and school. I do love their ipods though and have been using them for years. But i have to admit i have been looking at the 12.9 ipad in the past few months looking for a reason to get one (and replace the old little Galaxy Pro Tab!) Your review is very timely and will cost me money :-) Thank you for taking the time to film and post this!
+Yvonne Carpenter Thanks 😁
Thank you for the review! This came at a perfect time as I'm saving up for an ipad pro myself.
I bought many art supplies based on your reviews both on RUclips and on your website articles. I find your reviews r great and quite trustworthy. Last bought the Epson Perfection V39 and ur review on that was the final decision maker.
+Felicity Chan Thanks. I hope the Epson scanner is working out well for you 😁
I think the smoothness can't be seen on video since video only recorded on 30fps and I bet its look so smooth in 120hz screen.
+Syazani Said Yeah, the smoother animation effect can't be captured accurately by my camera. It is something that you have to see in real life.
You have to see it in real life to see the difference. When it comes to drawing, the difference in refresh rate isn't that significant.
grant gilmour it is way smoother
Just came across your review while researching the iPad. Very well done! I hope it isn’t too late but if you’re in the US and used a credit card to make the purchase, try contacting the credit card company. They often automatically add an extra year of warranty to your purchase as a free service and can help you take care of your issue.
Good review, bro! Like the straightforward and practical commentary about daily usage. Subscribed!
Thanks 😁
don't even care about Apple products just love your reviews
I thought I was the only one! XD
+Jayson Bossuet Thanks \ (•◡•) /
hey I have been using this exact iPad and the battery can get a lot worse over time and also is pretty heavy. I’m pretty surprised it still lasts after 2 years
He put apple in check with that reflectiveness facts lol .
sorry to hear that your old ipad broke. I used an iPad 2 since 2011. lol! Got a new ipad pro last year. OMG! So fast! Love it.
Thank you for taking the time to make and share this video. I found it very helpful.
Welcome :-)
Keep up the good work, I enjoy your reviews!
Very nice review i have plan to buy one 12.9 2017
Theo - thank you very much! Your review has been very helpful! I bought the 10.5 a few days ago, and have just ordered the 12.9 instead. Seeing you place the smaller sketchbook on the screen was very effective, and was the deciding factor for me. My fingers are crossed, hoping it won't be too heavy.
+Vicki Wood I don't think it is that heavy but it is definitely not comfortable if you hold with one hand to draw for long periods of time.
Great information...
Great video. Always honest and straight to the point.
+Arnie Gordon Thanks 😁
to be honest your drawing is amazing !!! keep going😍👌✌❤
Teoh-i would be interested in tutorials on using the drawing apps on the IPad Pro. I am just starting to use mine for sketching. Thank you for all of reviews, tutorials & travelogues!
You bought at iPad Pro? For simpler drawing apps, I suggest Paper by 53 (free) and Wacom Bamboo Paper. For more advanced apps, try Procreate and Medibang Paint Pro (free). I've a tutorial for Medibang at ruclips.net/video/nXm2cFPOm4M/видео.html
Check out this artist who does very good work with Paper by 53
www.wagonized.com/
Thanks for the review.
Hey will you test the new surface pen ? As now it has 4000+ sensitivity and tilt which only an artist can distinguish from 1024 levels sensitivity and no tilt ! Really want to see .
+Joseph Mcqueen I will see if I can get one to review. The new Surface Pen is out of stock and waiting time is 3 months or so I've heard. Anyway, I've seen some writing samples and it seems that there is still some amount of jitter when drawing slow diagonal lines. I can't say more unless I use it more comprehensively.
Excellent review, Teoh. Thank you.
+John Matthias Thanks \ (•◡•) /
this is good , i like it. i dont no about this than you for wathing ipad pro 12.9 2017
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Im torn between getting the 10.5" & 12.9". I like the 10.5" for the portability and to be able to sketch while holding it in one hand, but i like the 12.9" for the extra screen size. I currently use an ipad mini, so either size would be a huge upgrade to me. Wish there was an ipad mini pro so i could use the Apple Pencil with it. If there was, i'd probably end up getting the 12.9" for the extra screen size and an ipad mini pro for when i wanted to be more mobile. But since there is no indication from Apple about them ever releasing an ipad mini pro, i think getting the 10.5" is the happy medium. I don't think i'd get both the 10.5" AND the 12.9" tho. That would be overkill. Apple sure makes it tough to decide! Great channle and art work by the way! 👍🏼
+Regan Darcy The 10.5 should probably be more suitable for you since you like the portability of the iPad Mini.
Hello I was torn between the two also and decided on the 12.9. It's wonderful and grand. I really appreciate the larger size using the split screen. If you know someone who as access to Aafees you can get 17% off the price plus tax free and free shipping. I paid under $780 with 256.
The battery suddenly stops working? Warranty or not, it's scary for device from brand name like Apple and cost more than $1,000 USD just stop working like that... It's not even 2 years...
+Caseko CSK Yep. Someone mentioned here that maybe it could be repaired and I was just back from Apple Service Centre. They said they do not repair. If you are out of warranty. Too bad. The replacement cost is usd 700.
Apple makes products to break so you buy their new products
That's ridiculous I was think about buying one but I think I'm just gonna get an xp pen instead. I already got a surface pro 4 and laptop.
+MrM00stache BS. They have the highest customer satisfaction rates in relevant surveys AND the higher resale value. You don't retain resale value with products that "break". Tons of people still use their iPads 2 or other such 5+ year old models...
+DrawTimeInc > That's ridiculous I was think about buying one but I think I'm just gonna get an xp pen instead.
Because those don't break? Don't base your decisions in what some random people on the internet post, check a model for yourself. iPads have sold 100s of millions, obviously some production runs will be faulty, you can always fix under warranty. If it happens out of warranty, well, it could also happen to any other brand out of warranty.
Thank you for this thorough review. Now I am sure I will buy one!!! :)
10.5 , 512 gb is great.
Maybe you can edit photos on the Ipad pro 2 using Astropad App. I think it's a wireless display app, so you can sync it to your laptop or desktop.
I am using 12.9 iPad pro.Actual display is smaller than A4 sheet of paper.However if we take bezels into consideration, it is exactly the A4 size.
would u still recommend this for 2020 for digital art use? i dont wanna spend a lot of money for the new ones if this gen can still suffice for digital art use
Yeah, this should still perform well today. Great if you can find it at a good price. Do check out refurbished iPad Air 3 and iPad Pro 2018 from Apple website to compare prices
my boy teoh
Wow, I like it but it's more than I paid for my laptop. My whole family has apple products. I'm not in their world though I can't afford Apple so I go with Acer and Lenova, etc. But I like yours and thanks for the video showing it off. Have a great day.
Thanks. The device is nice to have, but even if you don't have it, it's fine too.
Teoh, what is your workflow like? What device do you start a project with and finish with?
What do your consider a good device for work? I don't consider the Wacom Intuos blind tablets ideal. They're dated tech.
Surface Pro
pros: desktop software, portable, touch, pen, keyboard
cons: windows
PC or Mac with Wacom Cintiq or chinese equivalent tablet
pros: desktop software, workstation, pen
cons: not portable
Ipad Pro
pros: pen, touch, apps, iOS, portable,
cons: requires a pc/mac to complete work, require desktop software and iOS apps
Which one do you prefer?
+Sitou Dien I use them for sketching and colouring. They can definitely be used to complete professional art work.
What are the different ways that the split-screen mode could be used by digital artists? I think this topic deserves more discussion. I would love to see a video with some ideas.
For me, I just open a graphics app on the right, and a web browser on the left for reference. That's what my colleague do too. Actually, split screen is no different from multi-tasking on a computer.
Great review sir!👍🏾
Uh... There are LOTS of laptops that can use a pen.
You might want to check out the new Surface Pro 2017 - the fifth model in the series (its been around for over five years). And the current model has a pen (optional) that can do tilt and 4096 pressure levels.. .also include an integrated eraser.
The Surface Laptop is a more traditional laptop design and can use the same pen - but doesn't support tilt.
The Surface Book is a combination laptop/tablet where you can detach the screen and use it as a tablet. Also uses the same pen and can support tilt.
Samsung makes several similar laptops including the Samsung Book 9.
Don't be too caught up by the marketing. Ultimately, it will come down to the actual user experience when you're drawing with the device. Just because you can draw on the screen doesn't mean you may want to. It's an awkward experience. If it's just to write some quite notes, draw simplified diagrams, it's fine. But definitely not for drawing longer. Again, I've to emphasize, you have to try it for yourself. Some styluses are just not good enough yet.
This review is great and makes me really consider getting an IPad Pro. I've kind of always felt the iPad was just a weird side product. The only thing holding me back is I also really like the Surface Pro and I'm really in need of a new computer. Are you gonna do a review for the Surface Pro 2017 anytime soon?
+James Perkins Hi, I’m going to upload the Surface Pro 2017 review next. If you need a new computer, the new Surface Pro is a very compelling option now. It has improved a lot over SP4 for drawing purposes.
I go surface pro the ipad pro doesn't compare at all because it's just an oversized overpriced tablet with a tablet OS.
Teoh thank you for the review seems no compelling reasons to do the upgrade of my 1st gen ipad pro .the Changes or hardware upgrade barely noticeable .
Improvements are subtle. From a productivity standpoint, there is no difference. The upcoming iOS 11 is the one that is going to improve productivity.
Bro keep doing the review thing remember that you are the reason( your honest sweet opinion) i bought my old ipad pro .And to be honest your review always save tons to money to spent on useless crap.Keep the spirit alive Be the Theo on us!!!!
I've never had any model of these, so this is probably a stupid question. Am I correct in assuming they don't have a changeable battery?
Thank you for this in-depth review. I like how you included a lot of details regarding actual usage and weight. Kudos and keep up the good work.
+Heather Catlady It uses rechargeable battery. 9-10 hours of battery life.
Teoh Yi Chie I should have written that differently. I was wondering if the back comes off to allow access to the battery. It was just answered in another post, so no need to reply to this one. Thanks again 😃
Heather Catlady Oh, the battery is built-in, non-removable. So to actually replace it, you may have to go back to Apple or a third party repair shop. It is difficult to remove the battery without proper tools and experience.
Nice review man!
+igloo productions Thanks 😊
Nice drawing there :) Have not tested that software...
When u compare the pencil lag differences between Microsoft surface or Samsung or dell or chromebook or any other difference the apple iPad will always come on top.. loook at the response... they nail it.
Two things to note. Lag also depends on the app you're using. The other thing is because Apple's refresh rate is now 120FPS, it makes the drawn stroke look smooth as it appears on screen. However, there's still a gap between the tip and the stroke appearing. It's not instant, but because of the refresh rate, it makes everything feels smoother and hence look like there's no lag. On the Samsung Tab S3, the refresh rate is lower and some apps aren't using the full refresh rate available which makes the drawn stroke look even more jerky (like coming out piece by piece) when drawn, even if the strokes are smooth and accurate.
Teoh Yi Chie so what did I say, it clearly shows apples iPad is better. That's what clearly stating on ur idea right.
In that aspect yes.
Good and thorough review as always.
What do you plan to do with your broken Ipad pro? You say it's too expensive to fix it?
I am not sure yet. Maybe just keep it as a paperweight. 😬 I have a crazy idea of removing the back plate and turning it into a frying pan. 🤣
Great review! Subbed!!
+Maishida Thanks 😉
still worth it to buy in 2019? so for 2yrs your ipad 2015 version broke?
The 2017 iPad Pro is still worth the money. It's significantly cheaper and the drawing performance is the same as the 2018 model.
Can you see if you can draw on a Samsung view 18.4" tab i something big and around 500$ if medibang and Ibispaint x works smoothly than ill get that because i cannot afford an i pad pro
I just ordered a 10.5 model and I'm very excited about it, but just read a lot about "white spot issue" and am kinda worried. It doesn't seem that visible and I still prefer the 2017 Pro over the 2019 Air, but still a little bit worried. Since you have yours for a long time, have you experienced this issue?
I've not seen the white spot issue but mine is the 12.9 inch model
@@teohyc Thanks for your answer :)
Thanks for your review. I got mine in Jan 2017 so I'm glad the new one is just marginally better. lol. I have a local contact (Singapore) for someone who might be able to repair your old iPad at a reasonable rate.
I've already sent it to a third party shop and they did not manage to repair it. They did not know what's wrong. Even after replacing the so called spoilt component, the thing still does not charge.
This young chap (doing his NS) does his repairs at home and you can negotiate with him on pricing. Maybe just give him a call and see what he says? Ah Chao 92397303
7:24 which app you are using to draw these? Cool rew BTW :)
+MrExpert It's Medibang Paint Pro, and it's free.
Thankyou :)
Thank you for your review! It is very helpful... But would you recommend getting a protection plan w/ it when buying? Or is the device pretty stable, reliable for years and we don't need it? Did you buy any protection plans?
+N J Their tablets are generally quite durable. But having said that, my iPad Pro broke down after one year. So it's really about luck.
Did you notice there is a flash now?
Not having a changeable battery is outrageous.
At that expense I think it should be a feature.
Well at least it didn't explode :D, and yea cheaper then cintiq, that why also lasts less.
Phoenix
Pretty sure that's Dell and Samsung
Actually they have a history of bending devices lol.
What a great review! Thank you so much. I want to buy a 12.9 iPad Pro, so what do you recommend? Go for last stock of 1st generation or buy a brand new 2 nd? I think there last 1st gen is only 150$ - 175$ cheaper than the new one. Is it worth it? Thanks!
+ginza That first gen price is not bad. You can use the extra money for Apple Pencil and AppleCare. The 2nd generation has more storage though.
So pressure does matter with the pencil?
Nm, just answered in the video.
I cannot decide between the 12.9 inch and the 10.5 iPad Pro :-(
I would like to draw with it and make some notes at the university... I already have a MacBook ...
Same
Anh Bui get the 12.9. You’ll thank me later! I’ve had both. 10.5 doesn’t feel substantial
Get 10.5 if you want something smaller.
12.9 is way better
Thank you for your videos they help a lot:) I was wondering you said your iPad pro (old one) broke down months ago exactly how old was it? My mom had a problem with here iPad mini 2 just stopped working and they were not very old. I just don't want to buy an iPad pro and the same thing happens. I am looking at the Microsoft surface also:)
That iPad Pro first generation was slightly over a year old, and I did not have extended warranty for that
@@teohyc Wow another reason not to get Ipad my moms was just over a year. They don't wear to good if they only last a year before breaking. Thank you so much.
Hi, thanks for review. May I know which softwares are pre-installed in iPad Pro 12.9 , Autodesk sketchbook pro? fusion 360? ...
There aren't any pre-installed graphic apps on the iPad. Only the default Apple ones are installed.
For the end of 2019, is iPad Pro 2017 still worth it for drawing and doing heavy work?
It's still worth it simply because it's so much more affordable compared to the 2018 model
Thank you.
Thank you for the review. I have never used a drawing program before. What do you recommend and what tablet/ipad would you recommend?
Best tablet for drawing is currently, in my opinion, the iPad Pro with Apple Pencil. iPad Pro 10.5 for the portability, and 12.9 for the extra large screen size. If you have limited budget, then perhaps the Samsung Tab S3.
On iPad, there are many good drawing apps. E.g. Procreate, Paper by FiftyThree, Medibang Paint Pro, Wacom Bamboo Paper, Paintstorm, Adobe Sketch, Tayasui Sketches Pro (crashes a lot).
Thank you so much for the input and quick reply Teoh. I really appreciate it!
Great review but I am bummed out by your 2015 12.9" battery experience--I was thinking about buying used
+anzatzi That was just extreme bad luck on my part. My friend's one is still working fine.
Thanks for the review. So do you think 10.5 is a bit small for digital painting? :)
+dearesthumans It should be fine. It's like drawing on A5 piece of paper, but slightly larger.
Teoh Yi Chie thanks for replying. I keep worrying maybe it's a bit too small so I couldn't decide between the 2 sizes.
Hi.. nice review... still am so confused of what version of ipad pro to buy. Am a graphic designer so u know so much sketching and i love drawings and want to start digital art.. so what version to get ?what generation ? 2nd or 3rd? 12.9 or 10.5
Get the iPad Pro from 2017. Significantly cheaper for the same performance. 10.5 if you want to hold in one hand to draw. 12.9 you will need to support it on tablet, or lap all the time. Adding a case will make them heavier too.
very good video ! thank you !
+Dhiraj Shetty Thanks 😁
Do you recommend jumping for the 12 inch? I had previous 12 inch for drawing and it felt so bulky to me. Thinking about getting 10 inch
+MikeMajin9k If you find the 12 inch bulky, it's still going to be bulky. The 10.5 is going to be much more portable. Go to an Apple Store to see in real life.
Nice review, Sir. I was wondering if i can edit and collaging/ scrapbooking or simply editing product photos with Ipad using Affinity for Ipad apps or should i just go with Surface Pro 4 and rely back on Photoshop again?
Can you make a good suggestion for me, because it seems that Procreate apps is more fun than Photoshop haha
You can definitely do collage/scrapbook type of art. Actually either SP4 or iPad Pro can do it. If you are getting a main machine, then the SP4 is better because it can install desktop and tablet apps, and has useful OS functionality. If you already have a main computer, then iPad Pro is better because the battery life is much better and also the user experience is better with Apple Pencil.
Thank you so much
Hi Teoh, did your previous PRO break without falling or any accidental damage? how many years of warranty do you have there ( we have 2 in EU )?
that is not a really good news
Most countries only have 1 year warranty. My battery just become slower and slower to charge and then stopped charging.
would it work if you keep it connected to the power cable?
that shouldn't happen with such an expensive tablet, and if i can ask how much would it cost to fix it?
Someone here said that it could be repaired. So I went to Apple Service Centre to check that out. They said they don't repair iPads. They only replace 1-1. And that will cost me USD $700 since mine was out of warranty.
It does not work when connected to power cable. I think maybe it's either the battery of the charging port that has problem.
Sorry to hear that, I would not destroy the tablet maybe the make some recall campaign.
Maybe on macrumors somebody knows how to fixit, if you need it I can ask for you.
I love your detailed reviews and was waiting for this review after watching ipad pro 2 unboxing.
can you please suggest whether i should buy a budget wacom graphic tablet or ipad pro 2.
My only purpose is to capture what i write on screen to create tutorial videos and save what i have written as notes. I will be writing a lot in my content so what do u suggest.
i am a beginner.
+Shubhankar Biswas With Wacom tablet, you will be writing on your computer, after that your files will be saved directly on it and you can use that to create your tutorial. It's easy. With the iPad Pro, you have to transfer the notes to your computer each time you want to use them. If you want to create video tutorials on your iPad Pro, you have to research if there is any app that allows you to do that. If not, the transferring of notes each time to computer is quite inconvenient. Also, the Wacom tablet is so much cheaper. The iPad Pro 10.5 is already USD $650 and Apple Pencil is $100. The refurbished iPad Pro 9.7 is $470 and is actually quite worth it. But Wacom tablet is less than $150 only. It really depends on your budget and workflow.
Teoh Yi Chie
thank you very much ....
i think i will go for wacom, because i will need to record the screen of computer while writing as well as edit videos on it.
With ios11 we can record ipad screen but eventually i will need to edit videos.
Hello, nice video, i have one question regarding the screen protector, did you notice any difference with the pencil in terms of sensitivity? Touch? Pressure? Thank you!
Screen protector does not affect sensitivity. Even with a thick tempered glass protect, there is no effect.
Awesome! Thanks for the quick response 👍🏼
I want to upgrade from the iPad Air 2. The main reason is that I want to use it for note taking and photo colour correcting. Do you think its worth it??
+GamePro Oh yeah. It's going to be a significant upgrade from the Air 2.
what screen cover will you use to protect the screen from pencil scratches but still keeping the response and sensitivity from the pencil? Thanks fort the vid!
@8:36 you use matte :)
just subscribed, you rock!
+R T Thanks 😆
how did your previous ipad pro break/malfunction? Does it not last very long?
Battery just started charging slower and slower until one day, it just did not charge. It is sad.
Teoh Yi Chie ohhh ok I see, rip your iPad pro
Flora Y. Kim yeah how come ipad pro broke?
probably a defective one
Sometimes theres dust in the Lightning connector and stops the charging. Have you tried to clean the Lightning port with a toothpick already?
Im planning to buy an ipad pro and I dont know which size to buy!! I want some recommendation ,I dont draw digital a lot but i just wanted to have a tablet to draw on as ipads are more affordable than tablets ? I want to know if it's worth it to spend some more money to get the 12.9 ipad pro or not since I dont draw digital a lot and I'm just trying it.
If you are just drawing occasionally, get the cheaper iPad 2018
how long will this iPad last in terms of updates? like, when will it stop getting updates
and if you know, what's the cheapest way to get this iPad?
Not sure how long it will last. You can look at the refurbished section on Apple website
I have the exact same model and I use it for art mostly with procreate. But I noticed the glass is way less smoother for the apple pencil causing more friction. Apparently the new coating is for glare and finger oil reduction but at the expense of the apple pencil which makes no sense, its like apple completely forgot about the pencil. I'm thinking of getting a screen protector, any advice? I wish apple would release various types of nibs for the pencil like surface pro.
OhMyBooda Many artists actually prefer the increased friction as it brings the digital drawing experience closer to drawing on real paper, canvas, etc. Some add screen protectors to add even more friction / drag for the pencil.
Coming here 2019
BTW does it come with the stylus pen?
No pen included. That's sold separately
@@teohyc oh okay. Thank you!
Did you do any drawing with the Apple Pencil it before putting on the matte screen protector? I am curious if the new anti-glare coating makes the screen less slippery. I had an first generation 12.9 (which was stolen a few days ago) and like you I was using a screen protector with a matte finish to make it feel more like drawing on paper. Just curious if this is still really necessary now that the native screen has the anti-glare coating.
It's still drawing on glass, so it's still going to be slippery, although Apple Pencil combo with the iPad is not as slippery compared to other glossy screen tablets.
You should become hand model!!
Nah. Hahahaha
faster charging creates heat and faster degradation keep that in mind. I guess if you keep cool be ok?
Good video lah.
Can you help answer me which one is better to draw, samsung tab s3 or this ipad? thank you
iPad
Tell me if it slow down my device
i want to use mine as a phone, i noticed you use a phone app....does it work like a normal phone? I didnt know it did not come with a phone app built in so i didnt get one today....im still reasearching....i currently use a Samsung galaxy tab 10.1 2014 edition as a phone....drawing in it crashes EVERTIME hence i want the ipad
I don't think you can use this as a phone because the microphone is at the wrong place. I don't even know one should hold the iPad like a phone. lol
Which apple pencil is compatible with this model ipad?
Wait even if your battery has died on the old one. Shouldn't it work plugged into an outlet?
+Tim Liao Could be something wrong with the charging port. It does not charge.
Teoh hi. Thank you for your review. I cannot find the right stylus/or pen for this 2nd generation IPad Pro. I did not see where you mentioned what one you are using. They are all for 2018 and up, that I have found. Can you help me, please?
Terri W 1st gen Apple Pencil should work.
For a digital illustrator, would you think the 64gb model could work considering cloud storage? Or is it such a hassle that the 256+ model should be considered?
+Bmains If you are using cloud storage a lot, I guess 64gb should be enough. But it gets filled up quite fast after you install several apps, maybe you want to copy a few movies or download some iTunes movies.
Teoh Yi Chie that's a good point about apps, I didn't even think about that. Thank you
Why did your ipad break down
I just got the IPad pro and pencil, I wanted the Samsung tab s3 but it wasnt cellular compatable. I am a woodworker and want to use the IPad for scetching up plans besides useing graph paper. do you have any suggestions for apps.
Try Wacom Bamboo Paper, Adobe Draw, Procreate or Paper by FiftyThree
Teoh , thats a neat deailed review, as always!
Please suggest me if ipad pro is something correct for me. I am a beginer in graphic textile/jacquard designer and i work on raster bmp image (2000 sq pixels)with repeats pattern .. most of the art creating software are vector graphic ones and not raster images in appstore .. i will need only neat 1 square pixel pencil tool with effects like amaziograph app .. i am currently using desktop photoshop and paintshop for my work and my general art work is (420 x 420 pix) and i need a tool where i can create amaziograph like raster images with no blur pixels when using a pen tool.This will be very helpful Thanks
+vikas pv I am actually not sure about that. When a brush is at 1px, is it still considered a square? There are definitely apps that can produce 1px brushes. E.g. Procreate, Adobe Sketch. The other concern is, I am not sure how repeated patterns can be created. I checked on the App Store and there is an Amaziograph app but I did not use that.
So... I can expect the battery to go soon after the warranty expires and then it will be cheaper to spend another $1100 for total replacement than to replace the battery. Is that what I hear you saying?
+Bob Shepard It is just my bad luck that the battery/charging port went bad. My friends' iPad Pros are still working more than a year.
Bob the Avenger I guess he just decided to get the new one instead.
Dont Apply "screen protectors" unless you want to increase parallax effect of the pencil.
At least to me, I don't see any noticeable effect on parallax error. I'm using a thin matte screen protector. I've tried my friend's iPad Pro with thick tempered glass protector and... same thing, non-noticeable parallax error