The Battle of Casablanca on Battleship Massachusetts
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- Опубликовано: 21 янв 2021
- This is a combination of our series on the battles of World War II and from Battleship New Jersey's trip to Battleship Cove.
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I’m with the uss Massachusetts living history crew and we all portray ww2 sailors on board and are always open to new members young and old who are interested, we portray sailors and do living history displays and events on board, we also help restore and maintain the ship back to original conditions.
who can i talk to about getting into this?
@@jammermin4595 Check out the link to Battleship Cove's website in the video description.
My grandfather was a radio operator on one of Massachusetts' spotter planes during Operation Torch. He is the one who called in the famous "Batter up" signal that indicated the Vichy were shooting at them. Massachusetts then gave the "Play ball" signal for everyone to open fire. He and his pilot were promptly attacked by fighters, crashed landed, and taken prisoner by the Vichy French for about three days before Patton's army rescued them.
I love that they preserved the piece of 1.5" armor that was penetrated by the 8" shell. When we talk about war ships, 1.5" armor is perceived as pathetically weak, but seeing a piece of 1.5" hardened steel punched through like it is barely there really brings perspective into the amount of power in capital ship projectiles.
That armor did its job by triggering the fuse on the shell so that it burst in that space instead of going on to somewhere more important!
From what I know, armor has to be two inches less thick than a shell to be resistant to said shell. For example, 16 inches of armor is resistant to an 18 inch guns
@@metaknight115 depending on the type of armour Sts class a or b krupp or cemented ab or krupp
@@michaelcoachtechvp2846 I just know that ships who’s armor was designed to be risistant to 14 inch shells, like the Ises, North Carolina’s, ext had 12 inch armor belts, the King George v, who’s armor was resistant to 16 inches shells had a 14 inch armor belt, and the armor of the Yamato, designed to be resistant to 18 inch guns, had a 16 inch armor belt
Having grown up very close to Fall River, I have visited the Massachusetts more times than I can recall. I spent an overnight with a Boy Scout troop on her. My grandfather lived in Brockton MA and worked at the Fore River shipyard in Braintree/Quincy MA from the time the keel was laid until she was taken out for fitting. We walked the decks of Massachusetts many times when he was alive. He always said that if someone had told him he would walk those decks with his grandson, he would have thought they were crazy.
In 1998 USS Massachusetts was towed to Boston and placed in Dry Dock for a 10 Million Dollar refit. Money well spent!
I distinctly remember seeing that preserved punctured plate on my first visit to Mamie as a kid. I am glad they've kept it and make it part of their display and as part of the ship's story.
strangely enough, the Massachusetts also sank more ships(ok not all were warships) in that battle than most other US warships did in their entire service(excluding the carriers)
besides the Jean Bart, 7 merchant ships, a floating dry dock, at least 1 destroyer sunk, other destroyers and a light cruiser damaged directly or with splash damage
Shells that missed Jean Bart sank a destroyer, three troop ships, and a cargo ship in port. After she turned her attention to escaping Vichy French warships, she sank a light cruiser, three destroyers, and a floating drydock.
I'm using my wife's tablet. The USS Massachusetts also has the record of the longest shot and hit at 28,000 yards.
My late grandfather was at Casablanca aboard the carrier Ranger. It was a combined effort between Massachusetts and aircraft from Ranger that put the Jean Bart out of action. Massachusetts also assisted in the action against several French destroyers and a cruiser.
The ranger did most of the damage you see in photos of the Jean Bart
@Ray Bourque 77 Wow. I spoke with another guy whose grandfather was also on Ranger CV4 a while back. What a small world. Ranger was deemed too small and too slow for the Pacific, and plans for an extensive refit never happened. She was twice erroneously reported sunk by U-Boats, and sadly, was sunk for target practice after the war. But her name lived on in Ranger CV61.
My uncle was aboard the mass.
Why were these French fighting the allies in the first place
@@MyBahamas242Some French colonies joined the Vichy French government.
I was born on cape cod and visited the Massachusetts as a child and spent hours in a sandy spot in my yard making sand battleships complete with guns and accurate superstructures then throw small stones at them playing the massachusetts destroying them, I am 67 now and they still are great memories
That penetrated plate was very impressive! Really enjoyed this. Thanks!
Thats so cool that you can actually see the battle damage. And the piece of armor the 8in projectile pierced.
Got to visit Battleship Cove today. Took 2 of my sons with me. Was absolutely blown away when I say that piece of armor plate that was hit bubthe French 8inch shell. I've been on board the New Jersey and North Carolina. The BIG MAMIE is just as awesome.
Thanks for doing this video - I have spent the night in that room as chaperone for a Boy Scout Troop on an overnight camping trip - nice to see the "rack" that I slept on. As I recall, that particular berthing space was used by the marines, who were at battle stations, obviously, probably in a 5" mount. I think there were no casualties from this hit.
I always forget that the ranger existed, you never think of the Atlantic when you think aircraft carriers
True, and it's kind of ironic that Ranger wasn't sent to the Pacific because it was felt by the Navy that she was 'too small' for service in that theater. She actually turned in excellent service in the Atlantic.
@Ray Bourque 77 With a top speed of 28 or 30 knots ... too slow. Okay, she had the same top speed as the North Carolina and South Dakota class battleships which spent most of their time escorting fast carriers. At a time when there weren't enough Royal Navy carriers to cover all the 'bases' that the RN was responsible for, USS Ranger was probably considered a Godsend, especially on the Malta run.
Remember, she was the FIRST U.S. carrier designed and built from the keel up as an aircraft carrier. Like Lexington and Saratoga she was a development platform, and off hand I'd say BUSHIPS got a lot more right than they got wrong.
The Ranger lacked the armor and torpedo defenses that the Lexington and Yorktown classes had. If she came under attack from a carrier strike group she would not have been able to absorb that kind of damage. The USS Wasp CV-7 was a Yorktown class that was built 5,000 tons lighter than her sister's due to treaty limitations. They saved the weight by by giving her no armor or torpedo protection and as a result she didn't last long in the Pacific. The Navy learned from that mistake and decided not to make it again.
i dont remember seeing the damaged deck plate in 1973 (i was only 8y old) but i DO remember where the hit was "memorialized" on the weather deck...
Thank you for the time you put into making these videos and the work you do on these ships....youve taught me so much and i am so very grateful.
Wonderful video! The look to the plaque before correcting the date relative to Midway cracked me up. Thank y'all for such wonderful content.
Very interesting information... I loved to read about battleships and build scale models as a kid, this channel makes me wanna take a tour.
Thanks for the great content. Been to BC many times, glad to see they keep making improvements.
I got to camp out on the Massassuchesetts when I was a Boy Scout, probably around 1980.
I did the same in the late 90s. Good times.
I was thinking it would be cool if you and Drachinifel could meet up when he can do his American visit and you guys can make a video together
A single screen could not contain that much awesomeness.
I think they originally planned to do that this spring, but COVID happened...
@@CodeElement190 Cool! In the meantime maybe they could do something virtually?
Everyone (myself included) is asking the same the same thing. There's a lot of demand. It would be exceedingly cool. Naval history chat followed by beard contest! I think the Drach has that last one in the bag.
Ryan, thank you so much. Very good information. Appreciate your knowledge.
That's actually pretty neat; being able to inspect that space between the hulls.
Thanks for making travelling videos like this. By the way, is this supposed to be unlisted? I found at the end of your "World War II Battles" playlist.
Oops yes, this one comes out on Friday!
Great piece, really enjoyed this and the rest of your work
Ryan, I know the South Dakota is gone, but could you do a video on the damage it took in Nov. 42 with the Washington?
Fascinating video. Thank you so much.
YES! I was hoping you would show the piece of metal with the hole in it! I remember that!
Time stamp?
The thumbnail for this is very cool
I’ve always wondered why the South Dakota class had a single smokestack, while the preceding North Dakotas and the following Iowas were dual stack. Love the videos!
South Dakota class had the machinery arranged in a very compact group. This allowed for a shorter ship to help save weight for better armor. North Carolina and Iowa class have the machinery spread out a bit more. The roughly 100 feet shorter South Dakota weighed about the same as the North Carolina. It had much heavier armor and did not sacrifice firepower.
Patton wrote that as he was preparing to go ashore from the cruiser (Olympia?) she discharged her rear main battery and blew the (wooden?) boat he was to go ashore in "out of the water" resulting in the loss of all of his memoirs of his career. Obviously a great loss to him and to history.
Patton was a brilliant general but with many detractors who hated him. Although he had some sort of learning disability, what many interpreted as impetuousness was that he had studied the important battles of history and actually walked the terrain where he could. Terrain determines the movements of armies. Of particular note was his move at the Battle of the Bulge turning his army 90 degrees to attack the Germans. In fact Patton and his G2, Col Oscar Koch, anticipated the Germans and had already started preparing the turn. He also anticipated the Russians takeover of Eastern Europe and wanted to blow through Germany, straight to Moscow and defeat the Russians.
Awesome content!
Ryan, did the 16/45 guns on ‘Massachusetts’ use the same projectiles as the Iowa’s?
My understanding is that they were the same shells. The US was always careful to keep the supply chain simple. The 50 caliber rifles just give more muzzle velocity and more range.
We discuss this on our 16"45 video
Thank you, one more great vid
I may have missed it but have done video segments on the USS Alabama? My plan when I retire is to visit as many of these ships as possible. Especially all of the battleships.
would be cool if you could actually do a video on the jean barte, and maybe go over the french treaties with the germans and why the french and americans engaged eachother in north africa
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@@BattleshipNewJersey ah, that didn't come up when I searched. Thanks Ryan (I assume that's you)
Libby, I'm the editor, camera lady, and I answer all the comments. Enjoy the video!
Wow, this is a great video!
Massachusetts is one of two battleship preserved that has engaged another battleships, if I remember correctly.
Mikasa?
@@givenfirstnamefamilyfirstn3935 Yeah, Mikasa.
Don’t forget HMS Victory
Massachusetts and Mikasa. 9 preserved battleship (11 if you count the US battleships Arizona and Utah), and only 2 did what they were designed for
Great reporting
i like the tv's they set up in different areas with veterans explaining what they did there.
Fascinating!
The next time a war ship is in dry dock. It would be interesting to see the hull
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Very interesting
Good deal man. Thanks
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Would love to see how you stack a hypothetical uss new Jersey v hms prince of wales
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Patton getting hit by yellow dye. Kind of ironic isn't it.
French yellow dye.
Wounder if he smacked himself for turning yellow?
I might be wrong but I think the bursting change for the 16 inch 2,700 lbs super heavy shell the South Dakota class battleships used was 95 pounds. Side note the 16 inch 45 call gun the South Dakota class used fired the same type of shell the 16 50 cal guns of the Iowa class .
I think the bursting charge of the 2700 lbs AP shell is 40 lbs.
the patchwork and battle damage that's just nuts
Ryan of the Battleship USS New Jersey Museum and Memorial- How you go to visit the New Jersey's sister ship the Battleship USS Missouri at Joint Base Pearl Harbor and see the visible damage on her hull where an Japanese suicide pilot crashed into during time on the picket line during the Battle of Okinawa?
Neat
The french dye was yellow in color. That was the color patton got soaked in.
It's kinda weird watching this. I've mentioned in another video that I've been to the Cove countless times, it almost feels like i'm watching someone give me a tour of my own house. There are lots of Battleship Cove videos on RUclips, but this is the first that goes in depth.
Check our newly launched series for in depth videos of Battleship Cove. We started with her 16"45 last night on our channel
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Any one know what caused the port side aft dent to the hull of the Massachusetts
Does the USS Massachusetts have a splinter deck? Because I havnt really seen one. Ah it's between 2nd and 3rd deck, I thought it was on first deck. So that's what that big space I was seeing in the stairs to Broadway.
Yes she does. It’s in between the second and third decks just like on New Jersey. Click the link to see it in the Booklet of General Plans for South Dakota her sister ship. www.researcheratlarge.com/Ships/BB57/BOGP/RG19_BB57_460648_11_Levelled.jpg
I had never heard that the F4U(Corsair) was in fleet service in 1942, or that it was used as a Dive Bomber. Truly?
Some of the 16" shells from the Massachusetts failed to explode. Most reports state that there was an initial investigation by the Bureau of Ordinance which stated that there was no problem with the shells but a second report from Ordinance found that the fuses were defective because they had been exposed to an adverse environment. Can you discuss this incident?
how did the navy repair damage like that on the new jersey? did they fill the damage with weld or braze or did they just grind flat and use body filler?
Depends, the larger holes will get a plate put over them, any deformities would be ground down, small holes can be welded as a filler.
How would a ship be repaired in combat or after combat? Is it like aircraft were where they were just riveted or was another method used?
It could be repaired in combat if it hit below the waterline the dc crews could drain the compartment and put a K brace on the bulkhead to stabilize the door to the compartment. if it was a fire they would need to go to dry dock
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Can anyone point me to a video(s) to his reference of concrete and water? Ty
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Big mamies dye packs were green during this engagement. I wonder who had yellow?
Ryan stated that the French were using dye packs as well, the dye that splashed Patton was from a French shell.
What’s the difference between a quadruple gun turret and a 4 gun turret?
short answer is how the guns work together vs individually
in a triple or quad, the elevation is linked
in a 3 or 4, they are independent
the Richelieu class ran more of a double 2, since it was armored down the middle for reasons
the terms are so muddled together, it doesn't make a difference to non academics anymore
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Only 35 lbs HE for such a huge warhead 👍👍
An when I said I would sell my soul for a Tour of this ship I have done your virtual tour but I know being their in person to smell the different areas the buzz of the electric theirs just nothing quite like personally being their you more then likely get what I am talking about. I did get a Chance to sleep on board the HMCS Haida in Canada with the same Cadet core an we acted as the crew for a weekend it was great but still very hard work you should see if you can do the same with US Sea Cadets they would more then likely get a kick out of that.
she is a beautiful ship more like a light cruiser then a Destroyer really
Any other ally turned enemy turned ally would have given the museum an 8" shell for display, but not France... they're far too French to do that.
Actually that broken off tip from a 16 inch shell at the 4:30 mark was actually one of the shells that hit the Jean Bart, after the fighting was over, French sailors brought it over to the Mass.
@@CRAZYHORSE19682003 I'm sure the sailors on Massachusetts appreciated the French sailors bringing back a piece of the shell. That's a lot nicer than the receiving a French 15" shell the hard way.
But I was talking more about the Marine Nationale brass, not the rank and file sailors.
The French were not happy with the battleship, after it sunk 10 French ships that day.
1st : i doubt this was an 8" shell as this caliber was only installed on treaty cruisers an not in use in shore batteries. Most likely a very french caliber, 194mm or something like that, very close to 8" in diameter. Those guns were phased out at the end of the war and scrapped along with the shells.
2nd : Of all the guns of that era only one 15" gun from Richelieu was preserved in Brest along with one of its shell that i know of at "musée de la marine" (navy museum) in Paris.
Had we preserved some of the shells of the caliber that hit Massachusets we would have sent one - by mail this time.
On a side note : France scrapped its old guns so quickly that if someone want to see one from WWII preserved he has a better chance to find it at the dhalgreen museum in the US.
Their collection has all the guns that were replaced when french ships were refitted in US shipyards.
I bet anyone sleeping in those bunks considered the space pretty vital.
Hi editor, you have 1.5 minutes of black at the end of the video...just FYI...
My Dad was in the invasion ... he was in North Africa, Sicily and in Italy. He lost his right leg at Casino when he was standing in a chow line and they were bombed by either P-51s or A-36s. He was a Field Artillery Forward Observer . Ironicly so was I.
the A-36 was the ground attack variant of the P-51, right? So was your dad involved in a friendly fire type incident? Thank you for your service btw.
@@jacoblovin3338 Yeah the A-36 was a ground attack version of the P-51A. It was definitely friendly fire. He had the presence of mind to put a tourniquet around his leg using his belt before he bled out. The incident was mentioned in a show about Casino on one of the Military Channels. If all of that never would have happened to him, he would never have met my Mom, and I wouldn't be here writing about it. TNX for the service thing, but I was only doing what was expected of me by my Dad.
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Why were we attacking the French ? Thought they were Allie
French? I thought we allied with the french against the nazis?