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I still think the Nissonda numbers are impressive regardless if there's there's variance in peak readout between the different dynos. Literally 400hp is awesome considering all the hell the black z was giving you. Side note, you guys should care less about what negative commenters say. We aren't there building cars, we're watching lol. It's a whole different story on your side of the camera
I 2ed that regardless if the dyno is 10-15% forgiving. The ability to repeat the same # and see gain after change is what matters.. too many people get hung up on the HP # when it literally is just a #. As always great work.. love that car lol
Nailed it with the dyno discussion-the real piece to consider is the delta. Whether the dyno reads high or low is irrelevant when trying to dial in a car. Being able to gauge improvement/gains from base numbers to tuned numbers is the key, and of course the dynos consistency is important. The one thing this video confirmed-FedEx sucks donk. Always have.
All Jimmy needs to do is recalibrate the load cell on his dyno. The difference between a braked dyno and unbaked is the braked dyno actually measures the torque using a sensor. Dynos like a dyno jet calculate the torque by seeing how fast it can spin a specific weighted roller. In theory once calibrated braked dyno should be more accurate.
Sooooo happy to hear someone talking about torque numbers over horsepower!! So tired of hearing about horsepower, big numbers are cool but the torque is what moves the car and puts you back in the seat. Torque is what everyone wants more of and they just don’t realize it
Whats important is that youre able to do good tunes on it reliably. You can always play with the calibration later if you want a closer match to a dynojet
Im guessing valve seals i was about to do them in my ka but it ended up being the turbo itself. It could be the turbo itself or not enough restrictor. I was smoking bad on deceleration not so much full throttle.
Even with the variances between dynos, that torque is truly impressive. Just remember Jimmy people are always going to talk no matter if you're up or down on the times. Keep your head up and show the world you won't be beaten by words. Love all your content and can't wait for more. Cheers!
I've got a 93 civic that made 320whp on pump gas on a 'heart breaker' Dyno (Xenocron in NY). I'm in CT, was thinking about having Jaimie Marsh check the tune and maybe add full throttle shift, and rolling anti-lag. Would be interesting to see what it makes as a baseline on your Dyno.
@@joshuabower61 it's about to be a year since I finished it, and don't think I've seen anyone from any of the forums with similar builds have any problems. The transmissions are known to go at or above 450whp. I've got a helical LSD. I do baby it on shifts though and haven't launched it, still have to set negative caster on the traction bars. I haven't tried the anti-lag either since it's got a 3" hi flow cat and full exhaust.
@@NonovUrbizniz yeah just like any Honda tranny it’ll hold a fair bit of power but shifting it hard with that power is what breaks them. My buddies made d16y8 made around 315whp for over a year and he went through 5 trans in that time. Another buddy had a vitals kit in his never dynoed but probably high 300s to the tire and he went through even more trans. You must have a healthy motor for it to hold for that long my friend 🙂
I’ve been saying this for years but people don’t listen, I’m okay with keeping these cheap and readily available so I hope people stay on the overpriced SR hype train
@@THESKINIMIN1234 since I watched this video I was thinking to start working on my KA before my RB, if I could make 250 ish 300 on pump gas I'd be happy
I don’t even have a 240 but I saw a whole KA with harness trans and ecu for 150 and had too save her from the junkyard now I gotta find a way to install it all into an s10
I sold all of my schassis but still have my ka bc 264 cams super tec valves springs and retainers cp pistons forged rods arp studs and rod bolts. Guy i sold my last one to said he was going sr and i laughed kept my built motor gave him a stock one i had laying around.
Loving the Nissonda content! That thing's gunna be a weapon with a built motor 😱 totally agree, the repeatability is what matters with a dyno. Tuning is about the drivability of a car not the numbers. But people always talk about the numbers because that's the thing they can compare
Would love to see an AE86 on the channel. Love all the vids and your crew and friends really seem like some cool people. Can’t wait to see the Supra build
Dyno is in the end a tool for tuning the engine, keep it happy, the numbers are cool but more of a by product of the tune, and to compare gains or losses.
This is giving me so much inspiration towards my ka-t luckily mine will have new rings and bearings and well new everything besides the block and head pistons and rods I just want 250-300 for now while I build a forged block and take my time 🙏🔥🔥🔥🔥 as always thank you jimmy for the vibes us car guys need sometimes
People get all into the numbers of dynos when really you're just using it as another tool to tune a vehicle. And then if you get a set number and you make some changes and you want to see if it approved , you can.. so as long as you're Dyno is consistent within your own numbers that's really all that matters.
numbers between dynos are always gonna be different due to the way they work. the reason for a dyno is to be able to properly tune a car by finding where the torque is and being able to make changes almost on the fly. it also helps that you don't need to run the car on the streets trying to make logs for tuning.
It seems like the dyno ramp speed is at like 700rpm per sec. A tad high, there is not as much load at high ramp speed. It could make the difference. Also HP is work over time. Torque × RPM / 5252 for lbs/ft And it's 7127 for NM.
Cool that you did this comparison! I commented about doing this on the supra video because it's cool to see the difference between dyno's sometimes. Also I wonder if there are ways that someone could tune a Dyno? But non the less keep up the amazing content Jimmy and the Oaks crew!!
Doesn't really matter if it's alittle off or not. The Dyno is just a tool to get the tune dialed in. The hp and TQ numbers help with the tuning processt
We knew from the Day you set up your dyno it wasn't calibrated or accurate with other dynos , but still helped you tune 👌🤙💯 its one more rolling Road than I have 😋🤣👌💯
Highkey all that blow by is probably what’s saving the engine. Cylinder pressure is able to escape past the pistons slightly vs a super tight tolerance na mint running ka
Torque isn't really what the dyno measures, it's power. It works torque back based on the engine RPM. Average power across the useable rev range is what's important to the driving experience since power determines directly how much you can accelerate at a given wheel speed.
Jimmy, I know everyone in the industry uses the Dyno Jet as a standard but it shouldn’t be. It’s the least accurate of dynos. When the people at Dyno Jet were working on their first dyno they couldn’t come up with a good calibration. They ended up slapping a Yamaha VMax on the Dyno and matched the Dyno output to the motorcycle instead of the other way around. Because of this the Dyno Jet will give out different inaccurate torque readings depending on which engine is being dynod.
Check turbo seals and compression may just be burning oil threw the turbo also check drain into oil pan oil could be backing up causing turbo to burn it
testament to E85 goodness. surprised that thing still has pistons and ring lands. wonder what the C5 would make on Jimmy's dyno in comparison to turbo mike's...
Thanks for doing this. It took me a long time to come out and say anything about the numbers but it’s nice to see some comparable data. As you say the actual number is really meaningless. It’s a tool to fine tune the setup and yours will do that perfectly fine.
The ports on the manifold are significantly smaller than the ports on the engine. Cylinder #4 isnt even covered by the manifold....which is why you see a puff of smoke come out of the engine bay on the dyno after a pull. Put a better manifold on it and I bet you see solid gains. Hopefully the built engine gets a good manifold
I feel like everytime I see Jimmy drive and hoon his personal theme song starts playing, which I’m fully convinced is Stil D.R.E and no one can change my mind
Even dyno jets are known to give high readings! Your dyno is definitely reading very optimisticly , with the e30 making 280hp at 5900rpm would equate to the engine running at 115% VE which is almost formula 1 engine territory which a us s52 certainly is not! I reckon your dyno is about 15 to 16 % optimistic. A bit of calibration and your sorted 🤜
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Yo brian was ZOOTED when he was guessing that HP figure for nissonda 😂😂
He's gotta turn whatever limit off, is off, on. DA DOODALEEDOOS
Iol when doesn't he though
I still think the Nissonda numbers are impressive regardless if there's there's variance in peak readout between the different dynos. Literally 400hp is awesome considering all the hell the black z was giving you.
Side note, you guys should care less about what negative commenters say. We aren't there building cars, we're watching lol. It's a whole different story on your side of the camera
Side note HITS!!!!!! Tell em John🤘🏽🤘🏽🤘🏽🤘🏽
This.
regardless of all the changes it’s still a 2400 lbs civic too, 300 already makes it a rocket and its still got 100+ more on top of that 🚀🚀
“We should just be able to have fun with the car , Smokey or not who gives a shit” those are some wise words of my people 🙏🏽
Can't wait to see Brian driving again. He was getting super good now he's got the extra power I think we'll get some good tandems
agreed' hopefully his tranny can hold the power at least until the winter hits
Right, He’s gonna love all that torque can’t wait for them all to shred! 🤙🏽
The best senders are the underpowered hero's. He will be a better driver for it with power now
brian lowkey can't drive :/
@@Justinhomii for the amount of seat time he has he can drive pretty decent
I say spend a day doing cool dyno things with Brian's BMW.
I 2ed that regardless if the dyno is 10-15% forgiving. The ability to repeat the same # and see gain after change is what matters.. too many people get hung up on the HP # when it literally is just a #. As always great work.. love that car lol
a meaningless number at that.
but number go brrrrr
Nailed it with the dyno discussion-the real piece to consider is the delta. Whether the dyno reads high or low is irrelevant when trying to dial in a car. Being able to gauge improvement/gains from base numbers to tuned numbers is the key, and of course the dynos consistency is important.
The one thing this video confirmed-FedEx sucks donk. Always have.
You know the internet. If its less than 1000hp it's slow
@@StonebergerSpeedShop that’s way too accurate!
I think that’s the point so many people miss.
All Jimmy needs to do is recalibrate the load cell on his dyno. The difference between a braked dyno and unbaked is the braked dyno actually measures the torque using a sensor. Dynos like a dyno jet calculate the torque by seeing how fast it can spin a specific weighted roller. In theory once calibrated braked dyno should be more accurate.
Brain put so much into this swap, i hope all go's well and he gets to rips with a reliable car for once.
Hahahaha bhall with the glassy eyes
👀👀👀👀👀
big mike mike in the building
"turn what ever limits off is off on" 😂
Brian’s totally the guy that says “ hold on let me”… before the group goes anywhere 😅😉
Sooooo happy to hear someone talking about torque numbers over horsepower!! So tired of hearing about horsepower, big numbers are cool but the torque is what moves the car and puts you back in the seat. Torque is what everyone wants more of and they just don’t realize it
Whats important is that youre able to do good tunes on it reliably. You can always play with the calibration later if you want a closer match to a dynojet
Jimmy knows! It’s not about hitting a specific number, it’s about accurate improvement and consistency.
you can clearly tell that his dyno reading off is bugging the shit out of him. I'd be too lol
Right not the biggest deal if it reads a little High as long as your aware of that. It’s like he’s trying to justify it to himself 😂.
Theres gotta be a setting to adjust the scale.
those rolling shots were amazing
Looks sooooo sick seeing an ek coupe sideways like that 👌🏼👌🏼👌🏼
I had a KA that smoked like that and I had put in some new valve stem seals and smoke no more!
See if the smoke has anything to do with the oil drain backing up oil, because even for a blown motor that's alot of smoke for being bad rings
Yeah my suspicion keeps turning to turbo oil return.
It literally couldn’t be a more efficient turbo drain haha
@@JimmyOakes Dang well if Jimmy himself says so I trust it! Amazing this engine is still alive. The car rips.
Im guessing valve seals i was about to do them in my ka but it ended up being the turbo itself. It could be the turbo itself or not enough restrictor. I was smoking bad on deceleration not so much full throttle.
Valve stem seals ? Not sure if it's a problem on Ka's but would explain the amount of smoke
Jimmy… best automotive content on RUclips. Keep up the work.
That ek coupe looks absolutely siily going sideways and i love it
That flash back lmao made me feel like I was watching a tv show for a sec haha
it just looks so od when its sideways and i bloody love that it does !!
Not getting over it… how badass these „a civic goes sideways“ shots looked😮😍
Even with the variances between dynos, that torque is truly impressive. Just remember Jimmy people are always going to talk no matter if you're up or down on the times. Keep your head up and show the world you won't be beaten by words. Love all your content and can't wait for more. Cheers!
those shots from the kei van are sick!
The oil is probably giving it higher compression 🤣
Before ripping it down I'd check the valve seals and see if they're leaking down into the exhaust valve
5:24 Brian’s blazed lol 🔥🔥👀
those were some of the sickest rollers I've ever seen
I've got a 93 civic that made 320whp on pump gas on a 'heart breaker' Dyno (Xenocron in NY). I'm in CT, was thinking about having Jaimie Marsh check the tune and maybe add full throttle shift, and rolling anti-lag. Would be interesting to see what it makes as a baseline on your Dyno.
If it’s a d16, it won’t last more than 6 months at that pier especially if you nls it and have rolling anitlag 😂
@@joshuabower61 it's about to be a year since I finished it, and don't think I've seen anyone from any of the forums with similar builds have any problems. The transmissions are known to go at or above 450whp. I've got a helical LSD. I do baby it on shifts though and haven't launched it, still have to set negative caster on the traction bars. I haven't tried the anti-lag either since it's got a 3" hi flow cat and full exhaust.
@@NonovUrbizniz yeah just like any Honda tranny it’ll hold a fair bit of power but shifting it hard with that power is what breaks them. My buddies made d16y8 made around 315whp for over a year and he went through 5 trans in that time. Another buddy had a vitals kit in his never dynoed but probably high 300s to the tire and he went through even more trans. You must have a healthy motor for it to hold for that long my friend 🙂
So are we going to see ruddy collaborations cuz he's moving home. I hope so.
He’s already mentioned Jimmy pars!
He just got that S14 and has an S15 SR20 so we better!
dont forget they're like an hour away
Love the extra editing in this vid
For the price people are paying for sr’s this is definitely proof #SAVETHEKA should be echoed
I’ve been saying this for years but people don’t listen, I’m okay with keeping these cheap and readily available so I hope people stay on the overpriced SR hype train
@@THESKINIMIN1234 since I watched this video I was thinking to start working on my KA before my RB, if I could make 250 ish 300 on pump gas I'd be happy
I don’t even have a 240 but I saw a whole KA with harness trans and ecu for 150 and had too save her from the junkyard now I gotta find a way to install it all into an s10
I sold all of my schassis but still have my ka bc 264 cams super tec valves springs and retainers cp pistons forged rods arp studs and rod bolts. Guy i sold my last one to said he was going sr and i laughed kept my built motor gave him a stock one i had laying around.
@@S13rome how much did all that cost u and how much did u make?
Loving the Nissonda content! That thing's gunna be a weapon with a built motor 😱 totally agree, the repeatability is what matters with a dyno. Tuning is about the drivability of a car not the numbers. But people always talk about the numbers because that's the thing they can compare
It's going to be a good one keep it up Jimmy love from the uk
Me to live in the UK
Can't wait ti see momma oaks get some seat time in.
Justin I am soo excited!
Watching from australia, appreciate the videos. also Learning alot and enjoying them too.
Would love to see an AE86 on the channel. Love all the vids and your crew and friends really seem like some cool people. Can’t wait to see the Supra build
Or an AE82 Corolla, RWD conversion running a 4AGE 20V
@@ShaneJulie-BlackDesign Complete waste of time when you can buy a ke70/ae71/ae86 etc.
@@Mr_jz_12 When you're doing something because you want to do it, you don't base it on time.
@@ShaneJulie-BlackDesign no one wants to rwd convert an ae82 😂
@@Mr_jz_12 you're allowed to speak fir yourself yes.
Dyno is in the end a tool for tuning the engine, keep it happy, the numbers are cool but more of a by product of the tune, and to compare gains or losses.
You gotta be able to calibrate your dyno to be accurate as possible there’s gotta be a way
YESSSSSS E30 COMING BACK!!
This is giving me so much inspiration towards my ka-t luckily mine will have new rings and bearings and well new everything besides the block and head pistons and rods I just want 250-300 for now while I build a forged block and take my time 🙏🔥🔥🔥🔥 as always thank you jimmy for the vibes us car guys need sometimes
I need a crew like Jimmy’s I work on project cars by myself lol
People get all into the numbers of dynos when really you're just using it as another tool to tune a vehicle. And then if you get a set number and you make some changes and you want to see if it approved , you can.. so as long as you're Dyno is consistent within your own numbers that's really all that matters.
Yeaaaa we def need some flashy cinematic shots of this thing ASAP
Shoutout to Jimmy for helping out Damien from Life OD get his ECU figured out y'all need a collab
numbers between dynos are always gonna be different due to the way they work. the reason for a dyno is to be able to properly tune a car by finding where the torque is and being able to make changes almost on the fly. it also helps that you don't need to run the car on the streets trying to make logs for tuning.
It seems like the dyno ramp speed is at like 700rpm per sec. A tad high, there is not as much load at high ramp speed. It could make the difference.
Also HP is work over time.
Torque × RPM / 5252 for lbs/ft
And it's 7127 for NM.
put some valve seals in that thing. if i was piston related it would smoke all the time not just on vacuum .
Try popping of exhaust to see if smoke goes away, excessive pressure in the crank case might be pushing oil past the piston rings
One of the biggest reasons I love nisonda is I've never really see a build like this just fucking work
Hey jimmy you should put some oil additive and see if any of them will work to fix the smoking before it blows.
Love this channel, mainly because of the lack of negative comments. 👍
You said it exactly right. A dyno was never meant to be a d*ck measuring contest. It is a tool to make the most power out of a given combination
people finally realizing how good KAs are. It's nice. 30 years of misinformation has caused some damage.
We need more of this!!! 11:45
Cool that you did this comparison! I commented about doing this on the supra video because it's cool to see the difference between dyno's sometimes. Also I wonder if there are ways that someone could tune a Dyno? But non the less keep up the amazing content Jimmy and the Oaks crew!!
Jimmy you and the gang rock! Love the channel and content! I'm here for the algorithm! Peace
screw the numbers tbh. just really cool you can build and tune all your builds under the same roof.
10:42 still Trips me out seeing a civic slide. good driving jimbo 👌🏽🔥
Its so cool that you have Michael Cera working for you!
Doesn't really matter if it's alittle off or not. The Dyno is just a tool to get the tune dialed in. The hp and TQ numbers help with the tuning processt
We knew from the Day you set up your dyno it wasn't calibrated or accurate with other dynos , but still helped you tune 👌🤙💯 its one more rolling Road than I have 😋🤣👌💯
I dig all this Jimmy!!
Shots from the mini mini van were sick
Perfect timing Mrz OakesThank you!🖖🏼
Ever think it could be the turbo smoking ? Idk maybe it’s getting to much oil just a guesss , love the videos 🔥
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Highkey all that blow by is probably what’s saving the engine. Cylinder pressure is able to escape past the pistons slightly vs a super tight tolerance na mint running ka
Can’t wait for the rebuild
Torque isn't really what the dyno measures, it's power. It works torque back based on the engine RPM. Average power across the useable rev range is what's important to the driving experience since power determines directly how much you can accelerate at a given wheel speed.
The wierd thing is that the civic drifting doesnt look weird hahahhah
Jimmy, I know everyone in the industry uses the Dyno Jet as a standard but it shouldn’t be. It’s the least accurate of dynos. When the people at Dyno Jet were working on their first dyno they couldn’t come up with a good calibration. They ended up slapping a Yamaha VMax on the Dyno and matched the Dyno output to the motorcycle instead of the other way around. Because of this the Dyno Jet will give out different inaccurate torque readings depending on which engine is being dynod.
Check turbo seals and compression may just be burning oil threw the turbo also check drain into oil pan oil could be backing up causing turbo to burn it
Instead of taking your car to the 💔 dyno take it to Jimmy O! 💪🏽
Crank case pressures causing the smoking? Would a catch can help? Long live the KA.
Good call.
Yeah was wondering what the pcv set up was on this car
testament to E85 goodness. surprised that thing still has pistons and ring lands. wonder what the C5 would make on Jimmy's dyno in comparison to turbo mike's...
Super cool to see a civic drifting.
You definitely have some excessive backpressure, look at the smoke pour back up after the pull at 8:27
It would be sick to see a divine make an video for all of his cars 🤔
My stock KA with a gt3582 popped the ringlands and melted a piston on 20 psi. Pump gas on a stock ECU tho. I'm building it now for bigger power 💪🤙
Thanks for doing this. It took me a long time to come out and say anything about the numbers but it’s nice to see some comparable data.
As you say the actual number is really meaningless. It’s a tool to fine tune the setup and yours will do that perfectly fine.
The ports on the manifold are significantly smaller than the ports on the engine. Cylinder #4 isnt even covered by the manifold....which is why you see a puff of smoke come out of the engine bay on the dyno after a pull. Put a better manifold on it and I bet you see solid gains. Hopefully the built engine gets a good manifold
I thought your numbers were high but as a good fan i kept my mouth shut 🤘🏼😁
Any1 else thinking Kenny needs to get a sponsorship from the guys over at KEEPS
just saying 440 tourqe at the track is a great deal haha... cant see the smoke when the tires are spinning :D
Jimmy: says he wants to rip nissonda
Also Jimmy: Let's drift my E30 at the drift event...
Didn't you learn last time?
Honestly this is a hurtful statement. He loves this car. Let him have fun with it. What happened was not his fault and will not happen again.........
#NORANDOMTANDOM
I feel like everytime I see Jimmy drive and hoon his personal theme song starts playing, which I’m fully convinced is Stil D.R.E and no one can change my mind
“There was so much torque, the chassis twisted”- Dominic toretto
Is it just me or is Kenny’s Datsun in the same spot as 4 years ago 🤣
Apples to apples is putting it on both dynos on the same day
If I could give your videos two thumbs up , I definitely would !!
Even dyno jets are known to give high readings! Your dyno is definitely reading very optimisticly , with the e30 making 280hp at 5900rpm would equate to the engine running at 115% VE which is almost formula 1 engine territory which a us s52 certainly is not! I reckon your dyno is about 15 to 16 % optimistic. A bit of calibration and your sorted 🤜
oil is most likely the reason higher compression= higher torque love the content
Jimmy and the boys and some pulls. Yeah babyboiiiiiii 420 blaze it
Just wondering if you entered the gear ratio and synced 1:1 so that the wheel speed was accurate to the dyno readings
Definitely a great tuning instrument. I feel like a simple software fix will take care of your issue