VIRGINIA: Old Confederate Towns - What Are They Like Now? What I Saw

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  • Опубликовано: 24 янв 2025

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  • @rosemarycastronuovo6056
    @rosemarycastronuovo6056 Год назад +80

    The house on Southernland St. On Zillow is priced at $230; thousand dollars ( rounded up).... Thanks for doing such a wonderful job at what you do Joe &Nic.... I'm always excited to watch your videos ❤ Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you and your family.... Be safe out there ❤️🙏🏼🙏🏼

  • @Taylor20243
    @Taylor20243 Год назад +31

    Hello Joe. I enjoy the demographical, historical, etc, information you provide in your videos. In reference to this one, I am a native of Virginia and I appreciated the information you provided regarding what the African Americans experienced. I also appreciated you saying that history shouldn't be swept "under a rug". History (good or bad) needs to be disclosed.

    • @Rita-n3r2m
      @Rita-n3r2m 4 месяца назад +2

      Ditto!!

    • @theresarolle9126
      @theresarolle9126 9 дней назад

      We should not live history, we should learn from it!

  • @mekon1971
    @mekon1971 Год назад +19

    That barn you passed with the round bales of hay at around the 4:00 mark was an old tobacco drying barn. When my Dad was a kid in Virginia, he and his siblings would pick tobacco - that's how they earned the money for their school clothes.

    • @Callylily7
      @Callylily7 Год назад +6

      That interesting. I wonder about it. My ancestors grew tobacco in Virginia when they settled there in 1652 from England.

    • @benton-benton
      @benton-benton Год назад +5

      My dad did the same when he was a kid. And picked up rocks behind a moving truck and threw the rocks in. He started working at age 8.

  • @KungFuFighter-h3k
    @KungFuFighter-h3k 8 месяцев назад +4

    How can you go wrong with a cat sighting in the beginning and another towards the end. Boy oh boy life just doesn't get any better than that. Thanks Joe and Nicole, much love as always.

  • @catholiccrusader5328
    @catholiccrusader5328 Год назад +13

    Virginia is a pretty classy state. I drove through that state only once. I was impressed.

  • @tedlarson6216
    @tedlarson6216 Год назад +25

    We LOVE living out here in the Southeast region. So many beautiful historic towns with lovely homes. The Danville house is listed on Zillow for $229,900 with 1965 sq ft of living space. Sounds like a bargain.

  • @suzanne296
    @suzanne296 Год назад +29

    Joe And Nicole Thankyou for the ride. Happy holidays to you both. Watching now Well said "We learn from our mistakes" Dont sweep history under a rug.

  • @FlorenceRoberts-i2c
    @FlorenceRoberts-i2c Год назад +8

    I was born and raised in a small town and live here today. It’s called Abingdon,VA I love it and it’s a Historical town with Lots of History!

    • @rickrudd
      @rickrudd 3 месяца назад +1

      It's the best. My aunt and uncle (Steve and Inez Wise) lived right beside the Barter Theater.

  • @rorschachmanhattan9612
    @rorschachmanhattan9612 10 месяцев назад +3

    You are such a blessing to show places in America that are affordable to live worth low crime when the country seems riddled and overcome absolute gems you reveal thank you

  • @cecoya
    @cecoya Год назад +21

    Being born in VA it is nice to see what it looks like. It is truly beautiful to look at and see. That one house at 151 Sutherland goes for about 230k 3 br/2ba built in 1911. Beautiful place 2 fireplaces and lots of space for a family. Thanks for sharing and you have safe travels. Happy Holidays to you and yours

    • @solara2k
      @solara2k 4 месяца назад +1

      Sold on March 5,2024 for 219k based on Zillow records.

  • @tadhgcronin175
    @tadhgcronin175 Год назад +29

    I just love your videos. You are really very good at it. Packed with info, anecdotes. William Gaddis has a novel called Carpenter's Gothic it's just wonderful to see it in context.

  • @joebehrdenver
    @joebehrdenver Год назад +10

    The Miller story is fascinating - I think it was on "60 Minutes" awhile back.
    I lived in VA for about a year on a work assignment. As a yankee/midwesterner I found it endlessly interesting. People were super nice; lots and lots of history. The drive on Highway 29 through the Shenandoah Valley is gorgeous.

  • @dinky_474
    @dinky_474 10 месяцев назад +2

    I'd love to see you visit Wise and Pound, Virginia! This area is rich in history, from Francis Gary Powers' infamous U2 spy plane incident to the Coal Wars that shaped labor rights in Appalachia. Plus, you can explore the legendary Hatfield-McCoy feud and the birthplace of country music's Carter Family. It's a hidden gem waiting to be uncovered!

  • @LarryHeagren
    @LarryHeagren Год назад +11

    Chatham is very impressive. The clouds in the background were beautiful. A very nice place to live indeed and a town of honest people.

  • @alexandralovesgoats3360
    @alexandralovesgoats3360 Год назад +18

    Virginia is such a gorgeous state. I love the B&B in your opening. The Carpenter Gothic plantation is really cool. Chatham is gorgeous! Lovely homes. I do like Danville! I love the murals. 100% agree. You cannot sweep history under the rug! You must learn from it! Looking forward to NC

  • @JonathonDenson
    @JonathonDenson Год назад +12

    Danville has a sizable population of historic preservationists. A lot of preservationists seem to move there and buy the great old houses due to the low prices.

  • @weshay3699
    @weshay3699 Год назад +6

    I looked up the Masonic temple and found out it has been sold and
    is going to be renamed River City Towers. It is going to be reopened
    at some point and is going to become a boutique hotel. River City Towers is scheduled for remodel and it is going to be a hotel (a resort I guess), probably
    with restaurant and bar of course! You should return when it is open and bring the
    wife and sample the new hotel, and what it will offer. The you can give a review
    afterwards on it!

  • @hilarybramley7529
    @hilarybramley7529 Год назад +6

    This was absolutely fascinating, a mixture of Civil Rights history and the Confederacy. I think the images speak for themseles, especially the more affluent Chatham. Thankyou

  • @JanesDough855
    @JanesDough855 Год назад +4

    Virginia is a very beautiful State with all those hills. Thanks for sharing your experiences there!

  • @mekkler
    @mekkler Год назад +4

    @1:24 Charming little cabin, that glass in the window looked authentic.

    • @benton-benton
      @benton-benton Год назад +2

      Yeah I saw that too. Leaded glass I think.

  • @KyleUselton-is6ue
    @KyleUselton-is6ue Год назад +24

    So cool to see the Yeatts tavern ..that is the original home of my family! The graveyard beside the home is the resting place of my 6x great grandparents. During the revolutionary war they would fix wagons, swap horses, and give a safe place for travelers to rest. After the war the state of Virginia gave land on top of the mountains to the Yeatts family for "what they did in the war". They also sent them a bill for "unpaid liquor tax"!! Lol One son moved to the mountain land and some of the family stayed close by but we are still in both places thriving. Whether you spell Yeatts with two T's or one... or you spell it Yates more than likely you can trace the family back to this place. There are Yeatts folks from here to Alaska and all points in between! Again so cool to turn on a video and see HOME!!

    • @rivaridge7211
      @rivaridge7211 Год назад +3

      A great story - thanks for sharing!

  • @Marvel_Polaris
    @Marvel_Polaris Год назад +6

    1🐈 yay!!. Dude must've been shocked I know i would've been too 😮. Most excellent Joey you did your research and homework real hard on this trip my friend. @Joe & Nic's Road Trip

  • @annabelleb.8096
    @annabelleb.8096 Год назад +6

    The mobile home among the trees was pretty nice! So much history in this video. I really enjoyed it. Thank you.

  • @Angry_Toe
    @Angry_Toe Год назад +3

    There’s a great PBS documentary on the Miller family. What a great story.

  • @robintyde5441
    @robintyde5441 11 месяцев назад +2

    Chatham Court House we were able to go thorough the actual land documents of our relatives over 12 years ago. It was amazing but I fear that all these records will be lost some day.

  • @lmcwill0502
    @lmcwill0502 Год назад +4

    VA another gorgeous state packed full of history .I have family in Fredericksburg,

  • @JJJBRICE
    @JJJBRICE Год назад +2

    Danville VA is bisected by the Dan River just above the NC state line . Danville was a big textile mill town in bygone days . My father 's hometown of Eden NC lies 30 miles west upstream from Danville on the Dan River . That area has some beautiful country .

  • @md6985
    @md6985 Год назад +7

    Merry Christmas to you and yours, I love to watch your videos. I get to travel all over in the comfort of my home. But still get to experience traveling.

  • @gsgill649
    @gsgill649 Год назад +6

    I love the way you have added the graphics to the videos explaining the stats.

  • @billstill1794
    @billstill1794 Год назад +3

    Yate's Tavern! (NOT coffee!) Chatham: Wow - new advanced town info details charts/graphs! Only 1 property crime? The other shoplifters/thieves there must be really sneaky! Danville: Yes, I'm really old and do remember that classic song! 🎼🎵🎵🎶 ...Didn't know it was about Danville though! Like the novel idea of a roof over the mobile home! ...Yeah, I'm running behind lately - youtube is pounding us watchers with TONS of ads on many channels because of Christmas and it takes a lot of extra time - even to vanquish them.

  • @tenminutetokyo2643
    @tenminutetokyo2643 4 месяца назад +2

    Amazing! There is also a Chatham NJ. There is also a Danville, CA.

  • @marshallkibbe9798
    @marshallkibbe9798 Год назад +4

    Great video, Chatham has two private schools: Chatham Hall and Hargrave Military Academy. Beautiful homes!

  • @LauraC.-fd2ef
    @LauraC.-fd2ef Год назад +3

    Good afternoon sir & lady Nicole! I am a native Virginian, Richmond, Norfolk, Virginia Beach & Chesapeake! Thank you!

  • @LJJones-yw1rp
    @LJJones-yw1rp 9 месяцев назад +4

    The glass in the first interior picture is very old. Glass is kinda a living thing. It flows...albeit super slowly. I wouldn't be surprised if that glass is original.

  • @claregale9011
    @claregale9011 Год назад +4

    Love that these houses are being preserved got a bit of catching up to do with the u.k , my local church was first constructed in 1078 parts have been added over the centuries , local pub is from the 1500s . They are stunning old buildings though you have in the u.s ..look after them 😊❤.

  • @joesmith7427
    @joesmith7427 Год назад +5

    The only tobacco auction in Florida was in Lake City,Fl.
    As far as i know!
    Lancaster,Pa has tobacco auctions, the Amish grow it and dry it.

  • @RichardFelstead1949
    @RichardFelstead1949 Год назад +5

    Thanks for sharing.Greetings from Australia.

  • @lorenanewman7507
    @lorenanewman7507 Год назад +5

    What tree wood was used to build these houses must be one of the most long lasting timbers in the world .grt vids fr NZ Best Wishes Xmas New Year

  • @weshay3699
    @weshay3699 Год назад +3

    Hi; I wish you would swing by through there again in early
    spring some time. I bet it would be even more beautiful
    with more green leafy threes. The asking price for the house
    in Danville is $ 229,000.00. The realtor ad says monthly payments
    about $ 1,265.00 a month!

  • @DesertMav
    @DesertMav Год назад +9

    The house for sale in Danville goes for $230k. It was built in 1911 and is about 2000 sqft roughly. The house is not an HGTV quality house, but it looked very nice and could use some light cosmetic updates in the kitchen. That brick building further down the street was a synagogue founded in 1893. The thing that I always like about Virginia is that there is tons of history nearly everywhere you go in the state.

  • @igavehimadollar3354
    @igavehimadollar3354 Год назад +5

    Really enjoying these from Australia hope you guys have a great Christmas

  • @kathymohsin5867
    @kathymohsin5867 Год назад +2

    Muy bonito video gracias por llevarnos a conocer esos pueblos tan hermosos bendiciones

  • @torstenschulz5814
    @torstenschulz5814 Год назад +5

    Thank you for your beautiful video. Greetings from Germany.😊

  • @heavykoe
    @heavykoe Год назад +2

    The cotton mill closed in Danville several years ago then Goodyear had a lot of layoffs and the textile plants closed too and it left Danville in bad shape. It has never really recovered. You did a great job on the video!

  • @johnirby493
    @johnirby493 Год назад +4

    Wow! You should have ridden out into the Schoolfield District, where all of the houses were built and owned by Dan River Mills, the once largest cotton mill in the world. The company had a school, rec. center, stores, and so forth.
    While in Chatham, you should have ridden by Chatham Hall, and Hargrave Military Academy.

    • @tobydog247
      @tobydog247 Год назад +2

      My Mom worked at Dan River Mills as a chemist after she graduated college in 1945 or so.

  • @davidadams6299
    @davidadams6299 Год назад +4

    Could you possibly start adding in what big companies are in the towns. Would be nice to know.
    Love watching your videos. Thanks.

  • @barbarathompson7983
    @barbarathompson7983 Год назад +3

    Home at 151 Sutherlin in Danville is 3 bd , 2 bath and 1935 sq ft is going for $229,900. Its a good looking home. Love your streams and always look forward to seeing where you go next. Happy Holidays to you and Nicole. Stay safe and see ya soon.

  • @mikedearinger9390
    @mikedearinger9390 Год назад +3

    JOE AND NIC, HAPPY HOLIDAYS. THANKS FOR ALL THE WORK YOU DO ON THESE VIDEOS. BEST WISHES FOR 2024.

  • @garyley4270
    @garyley4270 Год назад +2

    Great video. Happy Xmas from Dundee Scotland.

  • @mz4999
    @mz4999 Год назад +4

    Really nice and clear video’s as promised. Seems new cam is working out fine. You have our vote for Best of the Net Roadtrip.

  • @gatorgogo2742
    @gatorgogo2742 Год назад +4

    These historical towns were lovely on a lovely day. Thanks for the tour. The brick pattern on the street where you closed out was interesting. I can't imagine laying that! Merry Christmas!

  • @RonzHigh
    @RonzHigh Год назад +5

    I love your content so much. It's some of the most relaxing, best kitchen cooking time videos on my channel. I just can't get enough and I can't thank you enough for the content. I've watched every single video of yours now that I've been subscribed to you for about a month. Your videos are always being played in the kitchen when I'm cooking....and I cook a lot!😊👍

  • @didiscores
    @didiscores Год назад +5

    Beautiful Chatham, beautiful ride !

  • @davidedmunds5696
    @davidedmunds5696 Год назад +5

    Kind of ironic that that song "The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down " was written and recorded first by a Canadian singer/songwriter, Robbie Robertson and The Band. Their recording is much more famous in Canada and most of the US.

  • @jeffreynolds8949
    @jeffreynolds8949 Год назад +4

    Thanks, Nick, this was the town that my dad was Born in He's been gone now since 1991.
    But it was nice seeing the Area he grew up in

  • @bayoumanbryan
    @bayoumanbryan Год назад +3

    Thank you for showing us these beautiful old towns

  • @janetdonkersloot9393
    @janetdonkersloot9393 Год назад +3

    I love the fence around the property! Beautiful place!

  • @catlover614
    @catlover614 Год назад +4

    A great video, so much interesting history ! Lots of beautiful big homes and amazing buildings downtown ! Two cats, awesome ! Thanks so much, Joe, I always enjoy your videos !❤

  • @alanjones3874
    @alanjones3874 Год назад +36

    Loved the confederate monument to the 53 Virginia Infantry . They lost 215 men as they followed General Armistead over the stone wall at Gettysburg . " Though they fell , they fell like stars , streaming splendor across the sky ." Another great video .

  • @NativeNYer
    @NativeNYer Год назад +4

    Another informative video! Ty 4 taking us all over place! Great towns! Merry Christmas stay safe out there and watch the weather its coming ur way. U and Nicole stay safe.

  • @DUMPSTERDIVINGADELAIDE123
    @DUMPSTERDIVINGADELAIDE123 Год назад +4

    Thanks for the wonderful video, Merry Christmas from sunny Adelaide 🌞 Take care 😊

  • @Paul-67
    @Paul-67 Год назад +3

    Very good Joe and Nic. You make great videos. Fascinating.

  • @victorthegreat1991
    @victorthegreat1991 Год назад +4

    The house at 151 Sutherlin is 3 bedrooms 2 bath 1965 sf. It was built in 1911. The price is $229,900.

  • @Woody1ordother
    @Woody1ordother Год назад +2

    Glad to see you corrected the fuzzy or out of focus edges on your videos (or some of your recent videos). Especially nice on this Virginia issue since everything is so beautiful. Wouldn't want to miss even a twig.

  • @kbittorf335
    @kbittorf335 Год назад +3

    Fascinating history. I appreciate learning from the adventures!👍

  • @frankadams2401
    @frankadams2401 Год назад +4

    Lord:
    My son was born at Fort Monroe, Virginia. You should visit it, you will be impressed. Keep these good videos coming.

  • @zyl8003
    @zyl8003 7 месяцев назад +1

    when I stopped by at Danville in a weekend, the museum only open in the afternoon.

  • @arneminderman3770
    @arneminderman3770 Год назад +3

    Thank you joe and nick!!!

  • @juliogonzales5441
    @juliogonzales5441 Год назад +4

    Have a Merry Christmas 🎅 🎄 Joe and nic

  • @marilyneves8856
    @marilyneves8856 Год назад +2

    Thank you for the interesting drive through these beautiful town's. I alway's learn a lot from your video's!

  • @independentthinker8930
    @independentthinker8930 Год назад +4

    Hope y'all have a Merry Christmas!

  • @fearlessvic
    @fearlessvic Год назад +11

    Hope you'll be doing more VA! Its one of the most beautiful states. I lived there a number of years. As always, wonderful video, packed with great info and scenery! Happy Hollidays, Joe and Nicole!

    • @JoeandNicsRoadTrip
      @JoeandNicsRoadTrip  Год назад +1

      We'll be visiting much more of Virginia this summer. I want to video the state when it's green. :)

    • @fearlessvic
      @fearlessvic Год назад

      ​@JoeandNicsRoadTrip you won't be disappointed! Its very lush and green! Do check out Charlottesville, and surrounding area. Lots of history there!

  • @everydaypresent444
    @everydaypresent444 Год назад +2

    I agree with you 100 percent about history: learn from our mistakes and make things better today going forward. Really enjoyed these towns. Great video, as usual. Hope you will be with family for the upcoming holidays. Would love to visit Chatham someday.

  • @sanderella46307
    @sanderella46307 Год назад +3

    I'm fairly new to your channel and enjoy your travels and commentary. After a couple of years of filming, I'm sure you recorded bloopers or other amusing things caught on camera that were edited out of the final video. I would love to see a compilation of that someday.

  • @Yawndave
    @Yawndave Год назад +7

    Thanks for the tour! I've driven all around that area but never actually been inside the "loop" of the main interstates. The crime rate in Chatham has to be the lowest you've ever encountered--interesting how it matches up with the number of cats you saw in town. (Coincidence? I think not! 🙂)
    Speaking of Confederate monuments, I highly recommend "Confederates In The Attic" by Tony Horwitz, which relates his travels in the south, including a whirlwind tour of battle sites with a hard-core Civil War re-enactor. Until next time, happy trails!

  • @MonicaGrubb-u4y
    @MonicaGrubb-u4y Год назад +3

    Thank you Nic and Joe. I have learned so much about American history and seeing this beautiful, diverse country by watching your videos. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you both. Keep up the good work.

  • @jimthornton-fc8kq
    @jimthornton-fc8kq Год назад +2

    Thanks for the video- I saw something new and learned something to- Sincerely, Jim Thornton

  • @johnnymidas5879
    @johnnymidas5879 Год назад +7

    THIS SHOULD BE A ANOTHER COOL ASD ROAD TRIP WITH YA BROTHER SPODES, THANKS. 😃👍

  • @TravTheBuilder
    @TravTheBuilder Год назад +2

    Love this man. So much history around us here in va. Are you going to farmville? You can travel Lee's retreat. There's the high bridge trail. It's one of a kind view. Former railroad bridge but no longer used.

  • @marthakierstead3415
    @marthakierstead3415 Год назад +2

    Wonderful video about Virginia - one of my favorite states ! May you and Nicole have a wonderful Christmas .

  • @marywalker2896
    @marywalker2896 Год назад +2

    Gorgeous homes. Nice towns. Always a wonderful video Joe.merry Christmas and happy new year Joe and Nicole.

  • @Torontoista
    @Torontoista Год назад +3

    That Masonic temple looks gorgeous

  • @jerrybabbitt7814
    @jerrybabbitt7814 Год назад +2

    I'm going out on a limb here, and guess your favorite song! Downtown by Petula Clark!! You said downtown a total of 13 times in this particular clip!! lol

  • @K9bare66
    @K9bare66 4 месяца назад

    Thanks for your informative videos. I haven't been able to travel to all 50 states, so watching your videos is really educational and entertaining. I turn on your channel often to plan my trips for the future. These videos are invaluable, great job man!!

  • @hitzer2000
    @hitzer2000 Год назад +3

    love your videos places I'll never be able to go to. It's hard to go places. after a stoke am a civil-war reenactor 2 ark inf company D pine bluff ark thanks for all of them

  • @Madskillsuniversity
    @Madskillsuniversity Год назад +1

    Thanks, Joe! Another great tag-a-along, lesson and adventure.

  • @WhittyPics
    @WhittyPics Год назад +5

    I love these kind of places. We were only in VA for a year but there is a lot to see there. Those that don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it. There are a lot of atrocities in our history. They are asking $230k for that house, 5,328 sqft lot and built in 1911

  • @mkr4922
    @mkr4922 Год назад

    I just discovered this channel a few months ago and I am so glad I did. Keep up the good job.

  • @bdgies2721
    @bdgies2721 Год назад +2

    151 Sutherland is listed at $229,900. Up here in southern BC it would probably be listed at $450,000.

  • @frederickmuhlbauer9477
    @frederickmuhlbauer9477 Год назад +1

    Good one Joe Love your work Can’t wait for the next to drop FMuhlbauer Sag Harbor NY

  • @auntmaryspals7978
    @auntmaryspals7978 Год назад +12

    Now don't get me wrong, I do love Joan's version of the song, but Robbie Robertson wrote it and his group "The Band" played it first. Let's play song trivia!

    • @nobodynothing00000
      @nobodynothing00000 6 месяцев назад +1

      Robbie the ripoff artist came up with the lyrics but Garth Hudson wrote most of their music. Robbie only got the publishing credits and royalties.

    • @auntmaryspals7978
      @auntmaryspals7978 6 месяцев назад +1

      @@nobodynothing00000 Interesting. I will have to do some research.

  • @lynnw2041
    @lynnw2041 Год назад +1

    The Miller Family Story (Sharswood) was a story on 60 minutes a year ago.

  • @LesMorrisracing
    @LesMorrisracing Год назад +1

    @2:27 Cat seen! For some reason the video was "Choppy" I watched other videos and it they streamed fine. I still enjoyed your work, Say "Hi" to Nicky for me.

  • @kathleens.laroche754
    @kathleens.laroche754 Год назад +3

    Very enjoyable!

  • @CharlottePrattParrott
    @CharlottePrattParrott Год назад +3

    What! No lunch or dinner with Nic? I look forward to seeing what y’all eat and how much it costs! 😂 Oops, maybe the video isn’t over yet.

  • @monac9459
    @monac9459 Год назад +2

    The last civil war land battle was April 16th, 1865 on the Chattahoochee River in Columbus Ga days after that was signed. Have you been to Crewe, Farmville or Pamplin Va. ?

  • @benton-benton
    @benton-benton Год назад +1

    😺❤ Cat sightings! 😺❤
    229,000 for the house.
    Great idea, that roof over the mobile home.
    Thanks Joe! I'm so glad I found your channel. I love it!

  • @lisamoncrieff5512
    @lisamoncrieff5512 Год назад +1

    Hi Joe and Nic. House at 151 Sutherlin Ave in Danville is listed at $229,900 and was built in 1911. It has 3 bdrms and 1.5 bath and is 1,965 sq ft. Beautiful inside with good upgrades. No pics of yard but the lot is 5,328 so it's a great size overall. Hope you and your family have a wonderful Xmas and New Year's 🙂💛

  • @Charmaine2007
    @Charmaine2007 Год назад +2

    New subscriber here. I appreciate your videos so much! Do you all plan to visit Cass and Morris County Texas? Specifically Naples,Daingerfield, Atlanta and Linden Texas? The Cass County Courthouse has an interesting history.

  • @joesmith7427
    @joesmith7427 Год назад +3

    That mural with the guy that is pointing his finger is a tobacco Auctioneer!!
    Sold American!
    Thats sold to the American Tobacco Company!!

    • @alanjones3874
      @alanjones3874 Год назад +1

      We raised burly tobacco in Kentucky . As a kid I would stand freezing with my family praying for that sound . American , Duke , brown & Williamson we did not care as long as it sold .