I swear rouga i think you argue too much with dumb kids lol when they cant even understand what a metaphor is, its kinda sad i just like to make fun of them by saying stuff like 'nuh uhh that one time batman peed his pants and a galaxy exploded, he can beat super man ez' and just watch em get pissed off lmao
Doom's weakness IS hubris and ego. The man is blinded by pride. He is the most prideful guy in marvel. His plans almost ALWAYS work when he actually asks for help and lets other handle it.
His power scales to how much he hates Reed at the time. If Reed is annoying him at the time, he’s nuking the multiverse. If he’s chill with Reed, a squirrel is soloing Latveria.
@@rougarabidDoom is a highly competent all rounder. If he's willing to cooperate or delegate he can accomplish almost anything. But, he's so arrogant that he never believes anyone can do anything better than him. This usually results in Doom trying to do everything himself and getting outdone by a specialist or just not having enough hands to get all the needed work finished in time.
@@rougarabid Skeletor with prep and the full power of shazam fought Dakseid and Darkseid defeated skeletor. Before skeletor was about to die on he was on the floor begging for mercy and was saved by the worst version of injustice Superman the jobber. Darkseid>skeletor. You really wanked him the entire video.
Hulk has gone into the World Breaker form at least 7 times in the main 616 comics, 1st after he fought Sentry, 2nd when he took back the Gamma from the Intelligencia and went on to fight his son Skaar, 3rd when he fought Red Hulk at the White House, 4th when he fought an amped Wendigo, Bi-Beast and Armageddon who had his family hostage and tortured them, 5th when he fought Red She Hulk in Umar's Dark Dimension, 6th when he fought Thor in the Banner of War segment of Starship Hulk Saga, 7th when Savage Hulk fought Titan in the Mindscape after meditating with Banner he summons the World Breaker form as he fights Titan and beats him taking back control while in the real world Titan was wracking Dr. Strange, Despair, Monolith and a whole race of Hulk's at least as strong if not stronger than a fully enraged Savage Hulk. Those are all WB Hulk's appearances in the comics. He appears 0nce in World War Hulk, once or twice between the events of Fall of the Hulk's and Heart of the Monster, 3 times in Heart of the Monster and twice during the Starship Hulk Saga. Savage Hulk has shown capable of using the WB form at least twice, once by accident when he met Skaar and saw Caiera's eye's in his eyes making him go WB for a brief moment before reverting back to Savage Hulk. The 2nd being when he fought Titan in the Mindscape.
I get it, Marvel comics are inconsistent as hell, and I understand why you'd ignore one off feats. But if your gonna ignore one off feats, you should also ignore one off anti-feats like Galactus getting punched by Kitty Pryde or doom getting whooped by Ant-Man (As if Ant-Man isn't also a genius). My point is... I don't even care for Marvel much but holy hell, that Marvel section just felt like a downplay of agony 😭 (Great vid though, regardless of that one gripe)
Agreed. Most of Marvel right now, regardless if I like to change or roll my eyes at it, is a bunch of “GOKUism” that’s used to get fans debating. It’s just like what social media channels do with whether LeBron James or Michael Jordan or Wilt Chamberlain is the greatest basketball player ever
Agreed, Doom has some anti-feats, but the reason those stand out is because his standard feats are so high that using Ant-Man breaking in is as ridiculous as using God Emperor Doom as the standard
I feel like something worth mentioning is the fact that while yes most heroes are much weaker in base your forgetting some can access their higher forms much easier than others. For example. It doesn't take long for Doctor Strange to make a deal with a higher being to get more power. Another huge thing I should mention is a lot of all powerful objects/beings are typically found on earth. (The infinity stones while not all the time on earth they are here a lot of the time.) (The Phoenix force typically has a host on earth) (Reed Richards has the ultimate nullifier which if it hits any which one of these people it will erase them.)
Only adult Franklin who is a future version of the character. The child version can’t do that. He created a small universe the size of a softball but that’s about it. He also has trouble controlling his powers and doesn’t fight.
@@rougarabid That is fair. Though there was the run of comics, designed for kids about him while he is a kid where he is creating partial realities. My point was that he does have the ability to create and destroy universes. With the Nameless from the EDF travelling back and forth through Marvel's timeline they would run into him at the height of his power.
@@tenghenglong Is he able to create and destroy his own reality he makes or in general because that's a very different thing. Being able to snap away your present reality and being able to manipulate what you create is two very different things.
@ but he’s not. Might as well say we should count Thanos and Galactus because they both visited Earth before. Adult Franklin has been to present day Earth less times than both of them.
Marvel has a time bomb that can eliminate a person from time itself. Doom made it and never used it again after he realised it was fucking with the fabric of spacetime so much it could destroy everything. If Doom gives it to Reed Richards or someone else who could locate the primers they could just stop them there. He has asked for help like that before... usually to dodge blame. If the Primers went into the future they'd be fighting Kang in an infinite time war up until Doom admits he can't do it himself.
Time bomb doesn’t destroy alternate timeline versions. Just the current one. That wouldn’t help them. The Primers can go in any timeline’s future that is useful to them even one’s Kang isn’t in.
@@rougarabid skeletor lost to darkseid and died to weakling injustice superman. This was an amped skeletor beyond is normal powers. Shazams power is up there. Skeletor meatriding in this video proves the bias.
9:36 Devil Hulk was confirmed stronger than WWH(in Immortal Hulk storyline), and current Hulk is the strongest we have seen yet for those who aren't currently reading Hulk
No he wasn’t. The opposite was. Green Scar (the Hulk that turns into WWH) beat and chained up Devil Hulk in Banner’s mind for years. They directly state he was the only thing keeping Devil Hulk from getting out. If you’re referring to the Leader getting Green Scar powers getting beat by Devil Hulk that doesn’t prove anything because without Banner’s rage all versions of Hulk would be nerfed.
@ I was more so stating Devil Hulk was stronger based off writer's intention. It's more of a lore based statement due to that being what the writer intended regardless of their ability to properly demonstrate it. Though if you disagree with that it's fine, because my main point is the current Incredible Hulk (God of Monsters) is the strongest yet.
@@rougarabid that’s just blatantly dishonest. You are literally taking all the characters at there weakest not even at a mid range. You low ball them to hell then think a character like Omni man can beat them. Omni man can’t get past any planet buster without help from two other characters
@ivanthehighman177 sure, let's look at the yggdrasil statement where he said "that was a normal fire" Firstly, no it wasn't a normal fire, those were the flames of surtur which were stated to be able to burn all of creation Then he says that yggdrasil has never shown to be tge multiverse which is also false, we have many sources that prove yggdrasil is the omniverse For example in defenders beyond loki himself stated that the dead of the multiverse is the death of yggdrasil The instant where he showed yggdrasil getting burn? Ya, that was the multiverse in danger Him saying that wherever yggdrasil getting destroyed did nothing to midgard? There's special context to that, firstly thor stated as he looked into eternity he saw nothing implying that eternity himself was destroyed as a result of the destruction of yggdrasil but thor merged with the cosmos and so on. On top of that yggdrasil was stated to span across all of time and time is held within it. I could go on but this is enough to show you that he was being pretty disingenuous here
@FireCat14 also plothole: in Incredible Hulk 2023 which takes place during Bloodhunt (there's even a Hulk/Hunt issue) Voodoo was the SS, but in Bloodhunt Strange gave that power to Doom, so who was the SS really? Strange or Voodoo?
Just look at any of the omega level mutants, frank Richard’s alone would dog walk every single conqueror on the list and that’s him in his base state, as a kid he created universes and that feat of power is how he is consistently written to have. I would like to hear a retort to Franklin Richard’s, or for that case any reality warper in marvel
@ by the way rouga I recommend you to make a video of world conquerors trying to take over the Toriko Earth (including skeletor from He-man and the Viltrumites at their prime when there were millions of them), because that version of earth is OP as fuck.
Doom is prepared for certain things. Like how Lex has everything for Superman. Anything out of dooms wheel house is going to fail. The issue is he thinks he’s the shit because of a ghost panther
And he preps for certain Heros or villains. Example vampires and demons with his suit. Normal people that don’t have powers to “block” or turn off or whatever can be a coin toss. Not saying doom is unbeatable. I just think he’s neat
I think you forget sentry even at his weakest point can blow up moons planets and celestials easily. And a lot of heroes hold back on their power. Hell sentry is able to beat galactus, and that was in a time where galactus was literally a cosmic threat. And I'm not even talking about the void who can do MUCH more. Also marvel characters can travel to precise different universes and eveb outside of the marvel multiverse, they did i think the same with the beyonders and defeated the beyonders the same wah the EDF defeated the Primers Marvel characters can so insanely powerful, some even multiversal. But marvel fears that reading such characters night not be interesting(and they cant write such characters in a good way)
Sentry at his weakest point can’t use his powers at all so your premise is wrong. It’s also been stated several times that Sentry is much stronger than Void. Also Sentry has never fought Galactus on screen it was just a statement and we have no idea how strong Galactus was at the time. No clue where you’re getting your info but it’s wrong.
@@rougarabidbob at his weakest still manifests the void, as seen in his introduction in the new avengers. His introduction series has him still looking like a normal guy collecting his memories while Void is off killing some european heros. *Absorbing man cant absorb his full power *hes been killed by molecule man 3x *erased from the timeline by Morgan le fey *fought blue marvel to more or less a draw *killed loki and ares We can add the potential of his merged state(I'm not counting that as an amp as void is legit his 2nd side) were he was warping reality by just standing around.
@@rougarabid he has an armor that can break vibrating, vibrating him, was so powerful that the Phoenix force could not destroy it that same Phoenix force is a cosmic being that can destroy universes and probably way more mind you in marvel. The universe is actually infinite, so yeah unironically Iron Man by himself could wipe out most of the enemies just because they would kill themselves trying to break his armor or he could just fly through all of them because mind you he can also move massively faster than light. Marvel is stupid as hell or they could use the ultimate nullifier in just erase them From existence
Technically there is no base version of these characters. That post moves every few years. You're always pulling your scaling for them from somewhere in their continuity. If you not using specific version of the character then you should use whatever the current version of them is in main continuity when doing things like this. The current version of a lot of the earth characters are insane. Thor is the all-father, has some of the Phoenix force and the power cosmic , hulk is the fractured son aka the rage of God, storm is a herald of eternity etc. hell we really only need hulk for most of this. Dude beat brother deep 'who was so powerful toaa(God) had to snuff him out himself' with no difficulty and with no outside help. Toaa scales above anything any character has done in marvel continuing.
@rougarabid nah you're right I didn't, but pretty sure that current Wanda can manipulate reality. Even in the live action she basically put a buble around a city and bend everything to her will in that space. She is no joke
Merged Sentry is Multiversal he stopped Thor's hammer that had the power of a Multiversal storm inside it. He did this with ease. As Sentry he beat Molecule Man who makes universes and helped remake the Marvels multiverse with Franklin Richards. He beat and controlled the antimatter universe by himself. Ya Sentry has many forms that are that powerful. You don't know what your talking about.
The penance stare is wildly inconsistent and often times doesn’t work if the target doesn’t regret their actions meaning it wouldn’t work on most of these villains. Then you have characters like Skeletor whose soul is protected by magic and the fact that Zarathos can’t use his full power due to being trapped in Johnny Blaze.
@ well yes until Johnny is knocked out then zarathos is able to go all out which happens a lot more then you think and while yes that is inconsistent it’s only inconsistent cause the writers do not know how it works but the ones that do though show he doesn’t need to star someone in the face to make it work and if they don’t regret it thing is very untrue due to him hitting the penance stare on wolverine and said even though you’ve objectively done good that hurt a lot of people the penance stare will work regardless
I think the viltrumites will start the repopulation program sooner than the show/comic because they will realize they can’t over power earth so they might try to come off as refugees or something and try to slowly build an army of viltrumite-human hybrids (especially mutants). But then the plan would probably back fire when most of the viltrumites realize that it is nice living on earth. So it’d probably Kragg with his kids vs marvel earth
It really depends on who they mate with, if they get the meta gene and are able to get a few Omega Mutants or bred with Inhumans, it would increase their invasion chance higher, but they cannot randomly mate with anyone unless they make peace with the UN and Illuminati, that would give powerful nations like Wakanda, Krakoa and Latveria to prepare, and also many superheroes would also prepare if some alien species came to peace, they wouldn't just risk another Secret Invasion at all, and a lot of the smart ones would find out of viltrumite weaknesses pretty early.
Odins fight with Thanos literally shook the Multiverse so...? Some Ironman armours can take on celestials and he has a ton of space lasers that can casually destroy planets and draw power from stars. I know comics are inconsistent but you have to take the characters at their best with their normal arsenals.
No they didn’t Odin and Seth shook the multiverse and neither of them are Earth Heroes. Odin also hasn’t had that level of power in several decades. The fight you’re referring to happened in the 70’s. Ironman has never blown up a planet. Saying he casually does it is a lie. You’re referring to Sol’s Hammer which again…he had once, it was immediately destroyed and he never used it to destroy a planet.
The Viltrumite Empire if they arrived would do alot more damage if they avoided facing off directly against Marvels heroes. Hulk, Thor, Black Bolt, Scarlett Witch, Sentry, Jean Grey, Ghost Rider and Iron Man could quite easily take on the entire Viltrumite Army. If they waited to take over and played the long game, their true motives would certainly be discovered. As for Skeletor, he wouldn't arrive without his minions. His strength his intelligence and his magic makes him a genuine threat. But Doom, Strange, Iron Man, Reed Richards and Jean Grey would likely be responsible for his defeat. Hulk would be a savage He-Man which Skeletor would not be taken aback by at all. I dont know anything about Dragon Ball Z characters. But they seem overpowered.
24:54 Actually, some guy had to blow up the hole in this planet and destabilaze it in order for these 3 viltrumites to destroy that planet. Without that guy, they would never be able to do that
@rougarabid I mean, none of the Viltrumites showed to be able to destroy moon on their iwn, that you claimed. They also many times ststed that if they didn't do that in that specific circumstances, they would die trying
Ok with the Viltrumites even the best of them are not close to planet busting level. Heres why. The planet they destroy is Viltrume Thadus who is one of the 3 to fly through it says is unstable, they are also useing a ray gun at the same time that can shoot through anything (this was space racer not a Viltrumite) and Thadus also says they need to be extremely lucky and careful or this will kill them and it nearly does. Sure we are too sure about the planet but. - later Thragg on Earth says it would take half the Viltrumites to rip Earth in 2. Not death star blast it to bit but rip it in two! Meaning it takes 25 Viltrumites to do that, they are definitely not planet or moon level. I feel the Viltrumites whoes best 6 or 7 around Omniman are continent level the bulk of them really go down after about 3 or 4 good hits from guys at Omniman's level. - Next yes I like the where they tend to be approach. Still Thor could probably take even Thragg one on one same with Sentry. Hulk, red Hulk, she hulk, Captain Marvel (I hate that version), Juggernaut, Apocalypse could all handle a Viltrumite maybe not win but it would be far from a stomp. - then we have asymptomatic factor those not physically fighting them, between telepaths Xaiver, Jean, Emma, Psylocke, and magic users Dr Strange, Wanda, Doom, Morgan the Viltrumites will have alot of problems. Also Magneto would be a challenge as well. - then we have characters who hit weakeness Black Bolt alone would be a massive issue his voice would crush their equilibrium, which is something Ironman Dr doom, and Reed would note and be able to take advange of, shadow cat and Vision could walk through them, Wasp and Antman could get inside them and yes Robot used a small explosive eqaul to a grenade inside an alternate Mark and it works because Viltrumites are weaker internally. - overall it would be an awesome story but really even just Marvel Earth could handle the Viltrumites bringing up world war Hulk a real low point when giving the Viltrumites way too much credit isn't very valid. - now Skeltor maybe idk. - Freiza tho yeah he might do it
Current Hulk was play a game of "god ball" where he was crushing planet cores down and basically using them as marbles.. He absolutely is as powerful as you clearly do not want to admit.
Everything would die, but Hulk would eventually kill Skeletor. Hulk cannot be killed permanently, and anyone he wants to kill will stay dead. Dying makes Hulk angrier. Hulk grows in strength as he gets angrier, and I don't think we have ever seen a limit to that power so we cannot assume there is one. Skeletor would probably destroy literally everything else in existence in the process, but he would never be able to stop Hulk once he starts snowballing.
There are about two types of people: those who think characters should be considered at their strongest, and those who think characters should be considered at their most average/consistent. Characters in continuities like Marvel are widely debated because of this. I think these conversations would be more fun if people could accept one or the other depending on the conversation instead of insiting that their interpretation of fake characters is correct.
Hey love your videos man but I think your being disingenuous about the marvel characters here. Thor Hulk and Sentry consistency have planet level feats without amps and such. Sentry is don't have as much historyor feats but ill explain below. A base character best and consistent feats/statements matter because they provide a consistent measure of a character’s capabilities across different stories. Another reason is that these characters are written by different people across decades so they have different opinions of what they are capable of. If character A has more feats in their base of fighting things that's above planetary it should be more acceptable than character a who got beat by a street level character. Anti feats and bad writing happens in comics its just plot. This why in power scaling comics we use their best feats and statements or what we see of what they are normally capable of. And usually in most cases majority of characters like Thor and hulk hold back on earth its been stated and shown multiple they hold back. Same applies to people on their level. Thor has resisted the gravity of a neutron star has generated enough force to demolish worlds destroyed planets as a side effect of him fighting. He lifted Midgard serpent who is heavier than earth. He overpowered infinite gravity And lifted 20 planets. Shattered the root of world tree which spans space time and hold universes. He also lifted the tree as well. Base hulk/most common version which is savage Hulk have punch hard enough that the heat lights up the universe. Performing a thunderclap that destroyed a universe. Grey hulk which is weaker than savage hulk destroys an asteroid which bigger than earth Thing with savage is with most forms of hulk he get stronger with his anger. His internal amp is different from external amps. Sentry honestly I don't think sentry have any planet busting feats on table. But it don't matter since he match Thor and hulk in power. And its been consistently implied with his character many times he has a power of a million exploding suns. Which is obviously above planet levels. Comic sources Thor #281 Mighty Thor #468 Thor: God of Thunder #9 Thor #327 Thor: Man of War # Thor Annual #9 Thor #494 Marvel Comics Presents #52 Incredible Hulk #126 The Age of the Sentry #6 World War Hulk #5
Dr Doom is the greatest villain of all time who gets nerfed for the sake of one off gags to put over a particular character in a particular issue. His ego isnt the reason why his plans don't succeed. His plans often do succeed, but the reason he fails in the end is because hes a villain in a comic book universe where if he won there would be no more stories to write...
Marvels greatest strength is time travel, like there will be people from future timelines coming back to stop it from happening, this happened several times already, cable stop the days of future past timeline, Khang traveling multiple times back in time would certainly warn the heroes if only to deny the viltrumites taking HIS world, Dr.Doom has gone back to stop the timeline where reed Richards created a utopia, wolverine did it by killing hank Pym to prevent Ultron from being created point is that time travel will mean that the Marvel universe can have possibly decades to prepare before they arrive, and will know the weaknesses of the viltrumites ahead of time, if angstrom levi could go from universe to universe then marvel would have a time traveler back to warn them Black bolt is ironically super adept at fighting viltrumites, not only does he have sound powers, but they are stronger then any sound powers on invincible
False. Skeletor’s casual strength feats at base are way beyond Thanos’ at base and Thor is a joke compared to He-man. Consistently ragdolled by Hercules, Sentry and often times Hulk.
@rougarabid Base Thanos is a guy who's trashed the entirety of the Avengers, Annihilators, Ultimates all while monologing and is respected by skyfather or multiversal beings like Galactus or Odin. There's no single possible universe where Skeletor ever outclasses him. And sorry but Thor, Sentry, Herc, Hulk and so on are leagues above He-Man...Thor alone is stronger, tougher, faster, more experienced and more versatile than He Man is. Nice downplays by the way.
@ Namor trashed the Avengers. The Avengers aren’t multiversal. Base Thanos has never beaten any multiversal entity it’s always with an amp. Galactus isn’t multiversal most of the time only a full Galactus and even then Thanos hasn’t ever beat him with his own physical power. He once knocked him out by tricking him into running into a planet where Galactus was knocked out cold, again, not multiversal. Odin is also not Multiversal the vast majority of the time. Storylines often weaken him like when Base Jane Foster Thor beat his ass right before she was then one shotted by Hulk. He-man has destroyed and recreated the infinite multiverse multiple times, has complete control over time and space (being the master over it), is completely immune to any form of magic regardless of how strong it is, has beaten Superman, etc If you want to wank I can too and He-man wanks higher than Thor. It’s not even close.
@rougarabid Hw many planets has He-Man moved? How many incalculablly objects has he lifted? How many galaxy sized explosion ms has he endured? Because Thor has done all of that countless times. He Man is tough, but not that tough.
@rougarabid Bud, that Namor would have easily washed He Man. Galactus and Odin have had many, MANY fights where they threatened the multiverse and all the creation but Thanos can fight against them and earn their respect. Multiversal feats are consistent for both The Avengers aren't multiversal but they've beaten universal and multiversal entities...heck, Thor alone has heavily damaged The Void and a weakened Chaos King. Characters like He-Man or Frieza or the Viltrumites or whatever have no place in fights with the Avengers alone, forget them plus X-Men, Inhumans, Fantastic Four, Thunderbolts all together. The MoTU cosmology isn't anywhere that vast as the Marvel U and He Man beating Superman isn't that impressive in the grand scheme of things either.
If its comic book Marvel then the mutants can take a bunch of these problems because some mutants can just manipulate time or contain a big bangs worth of power using magnetism or just rewrite all reality just on a crash out. Kitty Pryde alone can kill buy just leaving things inside peoples internal organs and just can't be hit by any of these guys except Skeletor who has super magic. Mutants have a ton of bullshit hacks. The mutants have the advantage of a bunch of unconventional but highly lethal or reality manipulating abilities. This also discounts the disproportionate amount magic users and super scientists capable of creating time travel or interdimensional travel to just pull who or what they need to win or just abandon the universe and leave a universal doomsday device as a fuck you or just teleport someone to another dimension so its not earths problem anymore.
The wild cards are going to be Franklin Richards, Legion, The Juggernaut, Scarlet witch, Scarlet witch with the Darkhold. Also it will be terrifying if Skeletor got his hands on that. Also if he intervenes Kane the Conqueror.
@@redmaxxs Well classic Skeletor could harm 1982 Superman in a crossover and Eternium War seems OP due to his hax and being able to match universal manipulating Masters, I would guess maybe classic TV show Skeletor may be universal.
Js, Omni Man flew fast enough to destroy everything on the surface of an entire planet. I don't know how anyone can stop that if 50 viltramites do this at once
The thing is, Spider-Man holds back constantly, he's not a mid-tier when he doesn't hold back, he's stated to be at the same level of strength as the hulk when not holding back, this isn't important, I just wanted to say this because Spider-man is my favorite marvel character aside from deadpool
Dont you dare sleep on Sentry lmfao Hes a reality warper... he created the Void, another completely OP character. Hes survived being killed by Molecule Man like 3 times, and being erased from the timeline by morgan le fey. His only blemish is donny cates not knowing who he was or what he was actually capable of when writing his little Knull introduction.... where bob flew through a celestials head(cool asf tbh) to start us off.
9:43 the Incredible Hulk is my most favorite character of all time, even throughout the conversion of that series in the 70s from tales to astonish and some of the most incredible things that character was doing back in the Herb Trimpe days. Like many of the superheroes, the Hulk and most characters today have undergone in saying levels of GOKUisms where goofy riders looking for sales and buzz just add something ridiculous to a character’s power set. The Hulk has suffered more than most characters where they’ll have one character who will beat his butt senseless and then the next writer makes him OP overpowered Even stories by Greg Pak or Al Ewing, which I really liked, ultimately suffer from not being so logical and how that power came to be. It stopped being as fun as it became during the 70s and 60s where we started getting the Hulk becoming “the most powerful creature to ever walk the Earth” back when the 70s Marvel had origin headers on the for a splash page of the comic book. Even when the hawk has been in these OP forms, the writers and editors, not following logic, create situations where they have to wrap the story up in the most unconvincing unrealistic way.
Hulk legitimately beat both thor and a freaking celistal buster iron man suit Thor has the power of rune king thor Thor in base held a page infinite book that same power give him the power to beat a loki sorcerers supreme Thor legitimately move the entire tree I nowk it was a boost but thor has near 4 time as strong Thor gain the power to do that Hyperion held back two universe apart what are you talking
1: I'm really vibing with your Thumbnails with Backgrounds Era for these x) 2: You mentioning Doom getting messed up by characters of varyingly small levels of power gave me an idea: Which OP Gag Characters Would Survive _____. Running the gambit from Zenitsu to Popeye or Saitama
X-men clear viltrumites. Franklin Richards clears primers. Freiza force would be a problem, but still the X-men and still there. does frieza have reistaznce to mind control? I recently learned about He-mans universe. yea it's over
What is the most Reed with the Nullifier, paired with Charles & Gene paired with Strange and Wanda: can do to Skellator? Cause can’t the nullifier wipe out entire timelines? You’d think Charles and Gene could hold him since it’s mind based rather than magik, Wanda is a reality warper on her own I imagine strange would make a deal like he usually does when out matched, then Reed just nullifies skelator’s entire timeline. (Haven’t really read any of their comics, I just assume this is what they are capable of doing.)
The real threat from the Viltrumites invading Marvel is, even if Marvel Earth can drive them back, they can regroup, find the most powerful mutants or other genetically superior races and criss breed some of the most insane hybreds ever seen.
I think using the characters weakest moments is the same as using their highest ones. Sure, they usually depend less on context, but they also tend to only be a thing because a writer of a particular run doesn't like/care about them and decided to have them steam rolled to make their favorites look good. You see it all the time with Galactus, Thanos, and Doom because those are the big bads everyone knows. In more serious runs those guys can more than hold their own against the stronger hero teams. Also, with WW hulk being taken out by a sky laser, didnt he pretty much instantly get back up and turn back into hulk? or was that after duking it out with sentry? Either way, using it off the bat would likely not have done anything but turn him back into banner for a second, as he was very much out for blood when he got to earth.
Not only that, but I have the entire WWH saga in one giant omnibus (it wasn't cheap!) and it was made perfectly clear that Hulk LET them stop him because both he and Banner realized they were becoming a threat to the earth and innocent people.
@@MrJeromekent strangely enough, that means he has let himself be taken down by an orbital laser at least twice now, once in WWH and the other in IM, where he wanted shadow base to capture him so he could learn more about what his body was capable of.
I think the biggest thing for Doom is his cosmic power siphon. He 'can' steal any cosmic power and has stolen several in canon (not just the Beyonder example).
Primers end up like the flaxans in invincible but with actual good heroes to stomp them it’s just. “God dam it the primers are back, someone fetch Luke cage or something”
This is why I don't like cross versing comic book characters. Because they have so many different stories ready to get so many different Feats there's no point in even just using that character. I would always tell my friends to tell me what storyline that they're using the character from
biggest revelation this video: rouga once read a book i 99% agree with you on skeletor, i think the only tiny chance marvel has of winning is that the sorcerer supreme sometimes has some BS magic, and it's highly unlikely, but not impossible, that they DO have a way to banish skeletor or something similar, becuase thats what the sorc. supreme has been doing for centuries, banishing various gods and demons and other entities way more powerful AND better at magic than them. i still think marvel would lose, i'm just saying there's a tiny chance. the only other tiny chance i can think of is that ghost rider MIGHT be actually able to affect him, becuase some of his powers are basically designed to get around undeath
I remember an episode of I believe Xena, where they had this scroll that granted whatever was written on it true. Unfortunately, they kept writing metaphors on it and the scroll took the writing literally. It was quite funny.
About what you were saying about most heros not being planet busters I agree. But there’s one feat I haven’t heard you mention yet and it’s when Hercules takes atlas is spot and holds the universe effortlessly. Just wanted to hear your thoughts on it.
I like your videos. My one point I'd like to make is about the scalers. Yes we use the bug buff versions of people. Yes they are a one or two time amp. But we debate THESE versions because we choose to. You set a different set of rules. Many scalers put different version vs each other. Rune thor is used alot BECAUSE it's his amped state. I like that you clarify What versions of characters you use.
@@SuperHollowVegeta I’m not talking about you. I’m talking about people who constantly argue this is their power and if I don’t agree I’m stupid and wrong. Read the comments here and you’ll see what I’m talking about.
Crazy enough, you should try some of these scenarios with Mario characters. You'd be very surprised how far they'd actually get. Those powerups are no joke. BTW, I like how you put these powerscalers in their place for Marvel/DC.
I personally prefer holistic scaling similar to what you do, but having a "death battle" type scaling where it is the absolute peak using all feats is fun sometimes. as long as you dont confuse the two.
As long as it's based on actual feats I don't have a preference. Too many people make things up just to increase the numbers. I've seen people say that Saiyan Saga Yamcha can destroy dwarf stars because Piccolo blew up the moon.
@@rougarabid even if I take your scaling for the heavy hitters at face value, there’s just so many different low level characters with hax powers that would make them nightmares for any character that doesn’t have specific abilities that counter them. Like even low level casual magic users in Marvel can use telepathy, BFR or binding spells that could not be countered by people like the Viltrumites. Then you have a number of high level reality warpers on the planet like Sentry, Molecule man, Franklin Richards or Legion that would be a problem. Even someone as relatively low level as Ghost Rider has incredible hax powers that couldn’t be countered by most of these characters.
Ok if you are going to not have high scale feats with marvel you need to keep it the same with the Viltrumites, the best feat everyone uses is the planet destruction. But there is alot of issues here, the planet is unstable the 3 who fly into the planet are among the top level guys they basically 2 shot the regular Viltrumites. Next they are doing this with a laser that can shoot through anything helping and Thadus who is one of the 3 says they have to do this just right and will be extremely lucky if they survive. Overall this along with the strongest Viltrumite Thragg saying it would take about 25 of them to rip earth in 2 is putting them well below planet busting. They would be interesting tho.
Both the Demons of Doom 2016 and the Primers from EDF are stupidly powerful, so much so they can basically flatten any non-craxy universe. I wonder what would happen if the Doom Demons were unleashed onto the Earth in EDF 6?
When Gray Hulk (The weakest Hulk) destroyed a meteor twice the size of Earth, he didn’t use a cannon he used a jet pack because he couldn’t fly. & it didn’t nearly kill him, he was fine after destroying the meteor. Plus Base Green Hulk literally destroyed a planet just to play ball with its core in the planet Hulk run from last year. Also The planets in the micro verse are regular sized planets to scale in the micro verse. Idk where u got they are “moon size” from. & u left out the most powerful Earth based characters like Franklin, Molecule man & Legion for punch monkeys like Hulk. Idk what stories u read but I just looked it up to make sure & like half of everything you said is incorrect
about the Eternal infinite fight arm race... Tribunal probably doesnt like when creature from another universe just fucking(creating a MAJOR mess) on his garden, he probably gonna take action
Would you consider a Dragon Ball survival challange? Or Saiyan invasion challange? Like some duo or solo takes place of Vegeta and Nappa or maybe Goku when he was sent to conquer Earth? Well that was retconned in the Dragon Ball Minus but you get the idea.
The one of the only Heroes in Marvel that doesn't have a million plans made to counter them is Blade (apparently) And the universe found out why that's a problem in the most recent event featuring him.
the planet blowing up say for a few heroes should not count as a win condition. What are they even fighting for at that point? Humanity lost. I can’t see the marvel heroes overcoming the fire a force. I mean in the DB universe, the characters who know Frieza is a ‘rage quitter’ would’ve lost the plane if it weren’t from a literal god and his angel attendant reversing time. At least in my opinion
I think most of the conquerors mentioned don't have defenses against psychics, there is a reason why there are no psychics in invincible, viltrumites get fucked by telepaths like in the meme of Goku and Vegeta kissing each other.
@@Cactus02-j7ptrue and I said that. I mentioned Xavier using Cerebro. Problem with that is if they send Omniman to weaken the planet years ahead of time he would know of Xavier’s existence and would likely deal with him before that happens. Characters like Xavier, Emma Frost and Jean Grey don’t go out of their way to read the minds of people without their permission. It’s greatly frowned upon. It’s possible but not super likely.
@@rougarabid what about magic users such Dr strange doing magical shenanigans? Especially if Dr strange has the time stone, I don't know much about its capabilities in the comics that much but even the MCU version could see the future to see in which version of the timeline they win bullshit.
@@Cactus02-j7p in the comics, Doctor Strange has the eye of agamotto, not the time stone. The eye allows him to look into and travel between alternate timelines and dimensions. It does not allow him to peer into the future. That’s a movie thing.
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Do Marvel earth gets orako?
I swear rouga i think you argue too much with dumb kids lol
when they cant even understand what a metaphor is, its kinda sad
i just like to make fun of them by saying stuff like 'nuh uhh that one time batman peed his pants and a galaxy exploded, he can beat super man ez'
and just watch em get pissed off lmao
Marvel base Earth vs DC base Earth, if you REALLY want to upset scalers.
Could you do a whole video of the He Man universe verses the DOOM Demon invasion?
should blowing up the planet count as a victory for the invading force?should've thrown helldivers in there
Captain America: "why are you people invading!?"
Black Frieza: "what do you mean, YOU PEOPLE!?"
Immediately followed by him calling Cap a monkey.
@@MrDj232 Cap isn't a Saiyan, tho, closest he's gonna refer Cap to is someone like Krillin
@@ItsChevnotJeffhumans evolved from apes so his insult would still work
@@ItsChevnotJeff i mean, humans are also apes
he can still be racist like that
Doom's weakness IS hubris and ego. The man is blinded by pride. He is the most prideful guy in marvel. His plans almost ALWAYS work when he actually asks for help and lets other handle it.
His power scales to how much he hates Reed at the time. If Reed is annoying him at the time, he’s nuking the multiverse. If he’s chill with Reed, a squirrel is soloing Latveria.
Does that happen often, since he doesn't seem like the type to do that?
Saying his plans work when others do it for him isn’t exactly a glowing recommendation of his competence.
@@rougarabidDoom is a highly competent all rounder. If he's willing to cooperate or delegate he can accomplish almost anything. But, he's so arrogant that he never believes anyone can do anything better than him. This usually results in Doom trying to do everything himself and getting outdone by a specialist or just not having enough hands to get all the needed work finished in time.
@@rougarabid Skeletor with prep and the full power of shazam fought Dakseid and Darkseid defeated skeletor.
Before skeletor was about to die on he was on the floor begging for mercy and was saved by the worst version of injustice Superman the jobber.
Darkseid>skeletor.
You really wanked him the entire video.
Hulk has gone into the World Breaker form at least 7 times in the main 616 comics, 1st after he fought Sentry, 2nd when he took back the Gamma from the Intelligencia and went on to fight his son Skaar, 3rd when he fought Red Hulk at the White House, 4th when he fought an amped Wendigo, Bi-Beast and Armageddon who had his family hostage and tortured them, 5th when he fought Red She Hulk in Umar's Dark Dimension, 6th when he fought Thor in the Banner of War segment of Starship Hulk Saga, 7th when Savage Hulk fought Titan in the Mindscape after meditating with Banner he summons the World Breaker form as he fights Titan and beats him taking back control while in the real world Titan was wracking Dr. Strange, Despair, Monolith and a whole race of Hulk's at least as strong if not stronger than a fully enraged Savage Hulk. Those are all WB Hulk's appearances in the comics. He appears 0nce in World War Hulk, once or twice between the events of Fall of the Hulk's and Heart of the Monster, 3 times in Heart of the Monster and twice during the Starship Hulk Saga. Savage Hulk has shown capable of using the WB form at least twice, once by accident when he met Skaar and saw Caiera's eye's in his eyes making him go WB for a brief moment before reverting back to Savage Hulk. The 2nd being when he fought Titan in the Mindscape.
I get it, Marvel comics are inconsistent as hell, and I understand why you'd ignore one off feats. But if your gonna ignore one off feats, you should also ignore one off anti-feats like Galactus getting punched by Kitty Pryde or doom getting whooped by Ant-Man (As if Ant-Man isn't also a genius). My point is... I don't even care for Marvel much but holy hell, that Marvel section just felt like a downplay of agony 😭 (Great vid though, regardless of that one gripe)
Agreed.
Most of Marvel right now, regardless if I like to change or roll my eyes at it, is a bunch of “GOKUism” that’s used to get fans debating.
It’s just like what social media channels do with whether LeBron James or Michael Jordan or Wilt Chamberlain is the greatest basketball player ever
Agreed, Doom has some anti-feats, but the reason those stand out is because his standard feats are so high that using Ant-Man breaking in is as ridiculous as using God Emperor Doom as the standard
I feel like something worth mentioning is the fact that while yes most heroes are much weaker in base your forgetting some can access their higher forms much easier than others. For example. It doesn't take long for Doctor Strange to make a deal with a higher being to get more power. Another huge thing I should mention is a lot of all powerful objects/beings are typically found on earth.
(The infinity stones while not all the time on earth they are here a lot of the time.)
(The Phoenix force typically has a host on earth)
(Reed Richards has the ultimate nullifier which if it hits any which one of these people it will erase them.)
Guys, The. UNBEATABLE Squirrel Girl. No debate necessary
She’s been beaten a lot.
@@rougarabid when? I genuinely can't remember the time she has lost.
@@UnlimitedIvory Well, Wolverine beat her up pretty bad off panel, made a 15 year old into a woman after one night of wrestling
@@UnlimitedIvory he's lying
ptttf, the metaversa breaking Sentry who can erase comics from our universe. Kinda hard to fight a guy who can make the viewer forget you ever existed
Franklin Richards is on Earth and can create and destroy universes. There is one for you.
Only adult Franklin who is a future version of the character. The child version can’t do that. He created a small universe the size of a softball but that’s about it. He also has trouble controlling his powers and doesn’t fight.
@@rougarabid That is fair. Though there was the run of comics, designed for kids about him while he is a kid where he is creating partial realities. My point was that he does have the ability to create and destroy universes. With the Nameless from the EDF travelling back and forth through Marvel's timeline they would run into him at the height of his power.
@@tenghenglong Is he able to create and destroy his own reality he makes or in general because that's a very different thing. Being able to snap away your present reality and being able to manipulate what you create is two very different things.
@rougarabid but adult Franklin Richard's would count if he is on earth
@ but he’s not. Might as well say we should count Thanos and Galactus because they both visited Earth before. Adult Franklin has been to present day Earth less times than both of them.
Damn youtube hiding this from me for 53 minutes
Bastards!
Marvel has a time bomb that can eliminate a person from time itself. Doom made it and never used it again after he realised it was fucking with the fabric of spacetime so much it could destroy everything.
If Doom gives it to Reed Richards or someone else who could locate the primers they could just stop them there. He has asked for help like that before... usually to dodge blame.
If the Primers went into the future they'd be fighting Kang in an infinite time war up until Doom admits he can't do it himself.
Time bomb doesn’t destroy alternate timeline versions. Just the current one. That wouldn’t help them. The Primers can go in any timeline’s future that is useful to them even one’s Kang isn’t in.
@@rougarabid I might be wrong but doesn't read Richard have the ultimate nullifier I might be wrong about that I'm just asking😅
@@rougarabid skeletor lost to darkseid and died to weakling injustice superman.
This was an amped skeletor beyond is normal powers. Shazams power is up there.
Skeletor meatriding in this video proves the bias.
9:36 Devil Hulk was confirmed stronger than WWH(in Immortal Hulk storyline), and current Hulk is the strongest we have seen yet for those who aren't currently reading Hulk
No he wasn’t. The opposite was. Green Scar (the Hulk that turns into WWH) beat and chained up Devil Hulk in Banner’s mind for years. They directly state he was the only thing keeping Devil Hulk from getting out. If you’re referring to the Leader getting Green Scar powers getting beat by Devil Hulk that doesn’t prove anything because without Banner’s rage all versions of Hulk would be nerfed.
@ I was more so stating Devil Hulk was stronger based off writer's intention. It's more of a lore based statement due to that being what the writer intended regardless of their ability to properly demonstrate it. Though if you disagree with that it's fine, because my main point is the current Incredible Hulk (God of Monsters) is the strongest yet.
Viltrumites ain takin Juggernaut down
Juggernaut has been beaten by cyclops, banshee, wolverine and Skaar just to name a few.
@@rougarabidhow so? NOT trying to debate you or anything but just pointing it out so this guy can understand it easier
@@rougarabid that’s just blatantly dishonest. You are literally taking all the characters at there weakest not even at a mid range. You low ball them to hell then think a character like Omni man can beat them. Omni man can’t get past any planet buster without help from two other characters
@@rougarabidCyclops could kill Viltrumites though
@@rougarabid biggest comics low baller on this site lmao
Peak Dr. Strange matched the hyperversal Living Tribunal with his magic who is comparable to the Beyonder or Molecule Man at his peak.
Its funny how you make fun of scalers for taking feats oit of context but do the same
Proof
@ivanthehighman177 sure, let's look at the yggdrasil statement where he said "that was a normal fire"
Firstly, no it wasn't a normal fire, those were the flames of surtur which were stated to be able to burn all of creation
Then he says that yggdrasil has never shown to be tge multiverse which is also false, we have many sources that prove yggdrasil is the omniverse
For example in defenders beyond loki himself stated that the dead of the multiverse is the death of yggdrasil
The instant where he showed yggdrasil getting burn? Ya, that was the multiverse in danger
Him saying that wherever yggdrasil getting destroyed did nothing to midgard? There's special context to that, firstly thor stated as he looked into eternity he saw nothing implying that eternity himself was destroyed as a result of the destruction of yggdrasil but thor merged with the cosmos and so on.
On top of that yggdrasil was stated to span across all of time and time is held within it.
I could go on but this is enough to show you that he was being pretty disingenuous here
@Katshay-q hmm. Well maybe you should show this during his live debates as I wouldn't mind to see what he says. I am unbias in this, just a bystander
@@ivanthehighman177 I normally am not there for the lives lol 😅
Right now Dr Doom is sorcerer supreme doesn't really change anything but that's a fun fact
Yes outside of Strange he’s the best sorcerer on Earth.
@@rougarabid No he's not! Dr. Voodoo is a better Sorcerer Supreme!
@@FireCat14 Strange > Voodoo
@@Weaver1-s4k yes, but Voodoo > Doom
@FireCat14 also plothole: in Incredible Hulk 2023 which takes place during Bloodhunt (there's even a Hulk/Hunt issue) Voodoo was the SS, but in Bloodhunt Strange gave that power to Doom, so who was the SS really? Strange or Voodoo?
Just look at any of the omega level mutants, frank Richard’s alone would dog walk every single conqueror on the list and that’s him in his base state, as a kid he created universes and that feat of power is how he is consistently written to have. I would like to hear a retort to Franklin Richard’s, or for that case any reality warper in marvel
Seems like Rouga’s power of making people mad is at 100% right now (maybe idk)
Those three Viltrumites destroyed that planet with the aid of the infinity gun wich prior pierced though the planets’s core destabilizing it.
Yes, but the planet was also stated to be significantly larger than earth. I don’t put a ton of weight in the feat but it can’t be ignored either.
@ by the way rouga I recommend you to make a video of world conquerors trying to take over the Toriko Earth (including skeletor from He-man and the Viltrumites at their prime when there were millions of them), because that version of earth is OP as fuck.
Doom is prepared for certain things. Like how Lex has everything for Superman. Anything out of dooms wheel house is going to fail. The issue is he thinks he’s the shit because of a ghost panther
And he preps for certain Heros or villains. Example vampires and demons with his suit. Normal people that don’t have powers to “block” or turn off or whatever can be a coin toss. Not saying doom is unbeatable. I just think he’s neat
Normal type with powers not normal people. Obviously a reg dude isn’t beating doom
I think you forget sentry even at his weakest point can blow up moons planets and celestials easily. And a lot of heroes hold back on their power. Hell sentry is able to beat galactus, and that was in a time where galactus was literally a cosmic threat.
And I'm not even talking about the void who can do MUCH more.
Also marvel characters can travel to precise different universes and eveb outside of the marvel multiverse, they did i think the same with the beyonders and defeated the beyonders the same wah the EDF defeated the Primers
Marvel characters can so insanely powerful, some even multiversal. But marvel fears that reading such characters night not be interesting(and they cant write such characters in a good way)
Sentry at his weakest point can’t use his powers at all so your premise is wrong. It’s also been stated several times that Sentry is much stronger than Void. Also Sentry has never fought Galactus on screen it was just a statement and we have no idea how strong Galactus was at the time. No clue where you’re getting your info but it’s wrong.
@@rougarabidbob at his weakest still manifests the void, as seen in his introduction in the new avengers.
His introduction series has him still looking like a normal guy collecting his memories while Void is off killing some european heros.
*Absorbing man cant absorb his full power
*hes been killed by molecule man 3x
*erased from the timeline by Morgan le fey
*fought blue marvel to more or less a draw
*killed loki and ares
We can add the potential of his merged state(I'm not counting that as an amp as void is legit his 2nd side) were he was warping reality by just standing around.
Iron man does have some crazy armors that he should have access too though
Sure. None that make him a top tier marvel hero though.
@@rougarabid he has an armor that can break vibrating, vibrating him, was so powerful that the Phoenix force could not destroy it that same Phoenix force is a cosmic being that can destroy universes and probably way more mind you in marvel. The universe is actually infinite, so yeah unironically Iron Man by himself could wipe out most of the enemies just because they would kill themselves trying to break his armor or he could just fly through all of them because mind you he can also move massively faster than light. Marvel is stupid as hell or they could use the ultimate nullifier in just erase them From existence
I meant The stuff wolverines bones are made out of
@rougarabid Ummm...Stark has plenty of armors that casually put him in the heavyweight class. The Gob-Buster alone is enough for the Viltrumites.
Who knew skeletor A character who’s more often then not seen as a meme character was actually one of the most powerful beings of all of fiction
Technically there is no base version of these characters. That post moves every few years. You're always pulling your scaling for them from somewhere in their continuity. If you not using specific version of the character then you should use whatever the current version of them is in main continuity when doing things like this. The current version of a lot of the earth characters are insane. Thor is the all-father, has some of the Phoenix force and the power cosmic , hulk is the fractured son aka the rage of God, storm is a herald of eternity etc. hell we really only need hulk for most of this. Dude beat brother deep 'who was so powerful toaa(God) had to snuff him out himself' with no difficulty and with no outside help. Toaa scales above anything any character has done in marvel continuing.
Ah yes the things "just" on earth where you "just" have Wanda and Hulk and Ghost rider lol
Good example of not finishing the video before typing.
@@rougarabiddon’t forget blue marvel
Who’s Blue Marvel? Do you mean Ms. Marvel or Captain Marvel?
@rougarabid nah you're right I didn't, but pretty sure that current Wanda can manipulate reality. Even in the live action she basically put a buble around a city and bend everything to her will in that space. She is no joke
@SpiderFan-e13Blue Marvel is basically Marvels black Superman, look him up he’s pretty OP.
Merged Sentry is Multiversal he stopped Thor's hammer that had the power of a Multiversal storm inside it. He did this with ease. As Sentry he beat Molecule Man who makes universes and helped remake the Marvels multiverse with Franklin Richards. He beat and controlled the antimatter universe by himself. Ya Sentry has many forms that are that powerful. You don't know what your talking about.
I would honestly just say ghost rider would run through them due to zarathos and the penance stare
The penance stare is wildly inconsistent and often times doesn’t work if the target doesn’t regret their actions meaning it wouldn’t work on most of these villains. Then you have characters like Skeletor whose soul is protected by magic and the fact that Zarathos can’t use his full power due to being trapped in Johnny Blaze.
@ well yes until Johnny is knocked out then zarathos is able to go all out which happens a lot more then you think and while yes that is inconsistent it’s only inconsistent cause the writers do not know how it works but the ones that do though show he doesn’t need to star someone in the face to make it work and if they don’t regret it thing is very untrue due to him hitting the penance stare on wolverine and said even though you’ve objectively done good that hurt a lot of people the penance stare will work regardless
Also I don’t see how skeletor can win against zarathos the same being who fought mafisto the same person who was in a stand still battle with galactus
@ the penance stare it inflicts upon you all the pain you have ever caused to others, and if it's a lot, it will burn your soul out.
And it’s not just your soul but your body as well
I think the viltrumites will start the repopulation program sooner than the show/comic because they will realize they can’t over power earth so they might try to come off as refugees or something and try to slowly build an army of viltrumite-human hybrids (especially mutants). But then the plan would probably back fire when most of the viltrumites realize that it is nice living on earth. So it’d probably Kragg with his kids vs marvel earth
It really depends on who they mate with, if they get the meta gene and are able to get a few Omega Mutants or bred with Inhumans, it would increase their invasion chance higher, but they cannot randomly mate with anyone unless they make peace with the UN and Illuminati, that would give powerful nations like Wakanda, Krakoa and Latveria to prepare, and also many superheroes would also prepare if some alien species came to peace, they wouldn't just risk another Secret Invasion at all, and a lot of the smart ones would find out of viltrumite weaknesses pretty early.
Squirrel Girl beats them all up off screen and Marvel wins. There I'll ruin your video by throwing the Unbeatable one at you.
Squirrel Girl has been beaten TONS of times by characters far weaker than the ones here.
@rougarabid yea but she's also beat the said buffed version of those characters that's her thing she's way stronger than she should be
@@rougarabid Not off screen get good scrub
Current hulk has been stronger than wwh for years now. Hulk alone would be enough to stop the invasion
Odins fight with Thanos literally shook the Multiverse so...?
Some Ironman armours can take on celestials and he has a ton of space lasers that can casually destroy planets and draw power from stars.
I know comics are inconsistent but you have to take the characters at their best with their normal arsenals.
No they didn’t Odin and Seth shook the multiverse and neither of them are Earth Heroes. Odin also hasn’t had that level of power in several decades. The fight you’re referring to happened in the 70’s.
Ironman has never blown up a planet. Saying he casually does it is a lie. You’re referring to Sol’s Hammer which again…he had once, it was immediately destroyed and he never used it to destroy a planet.
The Viltrumite Empire if they arrived would do alot more damage if they avoided facing off directly against Marvels heroes. Hulk, Thor, Black Bolt, Scarlett Witch, Sentry, Jean Grey, Ghost Rider and Iron Man could quite easily take on the entire Viltrumite Army. If they waited to take over and played the long game, their true motives would certainly be discovered.
As for Skeletor, he wouldn't arrive without his minions. His strength his intelligence and his magic makes him a genuine threat. But Doom, Strange, Iron Man, Reed Richards and Jean Grey would likely be responsible for his defeat. Hulk would be a savage He-Man which Skeletor would not be taken aback by at all.
I dont know anything about Dragon Ball Z characters. But they seem overpowered.
Dr. Manhattan appears and Skeletor is now just a normal skeleton on the ground.
Don't fuck with Skeletor, he'll turn you into Beast Man's litterbox...
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Actually, some guy had to blow up the hole in this planet and destabilaze it in order for these 3 viltrumites to destroy that planet. Without that guy, they would never be able to do that
Sure but it was also much larger than Earth. The feats unclear but it can’t be ignored.
@rougarabid I mean, none of the Viltrumites showed to be able to destroy moon on their iwn, that you claimed. They also many times ststed that if they didn't do that in that specific circumstances, they would die trying
Ok with the Viltrumites even the best of them are not close to planet busting level. Heres why.
The planet they destroy is Viltrume Thadus who is one of the 3 to fly through it says is unstable, they are also useing a ray gun at the same time that can shoot through anything (this was space racer not a Viltrumite) and Thadus also says they need to be extremely lucky and careful or this will kill them and it nearly does. Sure we are too sure about the planet but.
- later Thragg on Earth says it would take half the Viltrumites to rip Earth in 2. Not death star blast it to bit but rip it in two! Meaning it takes 25 Viltrumites to do that, they are definitely not planet or moon level. I feel the Viltrumites whoes best 6 or 7 around Omniman are continent level the bulk of them really go down after about 3 or 4 good hits from guys at Omniman's level.
- Next yes I like the where they tend to be approach. Still Thor could probably take even Thragg one on one same with Sentry. Hulk, red Hulk, she hulk, Captain Marvel (I hate that version), Juggernaut, Apocalypse could all handle a Viltrumite maybe not win but it would be far from a stomp.
- then we have asymptomatic factor those not physically fighting them, between telepaths Xaiver, Jean, Emma, Psylocke, and magic users Dr Strange, Wanda, Doom, Morgan the Viltrumites will have alot of problems. Also Magneto would be a challenge as well.
- then we have characters who hit weakeness Black Bolt alone would be a massive issue his voice would crush their equilibrium, which is something Ironman Dr doom, and Reed would note and be able to take advange of, shadow cat and Vision could walk through them, Wasp and Antman could get inside them and yes Robot used a small explosive eqaul to a grenade inside an alternate Mark and it works because Viltrumites are weaker internally.
- overall it would be an awesome story but really even just Marvel Earth could handle the Viltrumites bringing up world war Hulk a real low point when giving the Viltrumites way too much credit isn't very valid.
- now Skeltor maybe idk.
- Freiza tho yeah he might do it
Current Hulk was play a game of "god ball" where he was crushing planet cores down and basically using them as marbles.. He absolutely is as powerful as you clearly do not want to admit.
Everything would die, but Hulk would eventually kill Skeletor. Hulk cannot be killed permanently, and anyone he wants to kill will stay dead. Dying makes Hulk angrier. Hulk grows in strength as he gets angrier, and I don't think we have ever seen a limit to that power so we cannot assume there is one. Skeletor would probably destroy literally everything else in existence in the process, but he would never be able to stop Hulk once he starts snowballing.
Imagine if Doctor Octopus pulled a superior spiderman on a viltrumite, the amount of carnage there'd be with a Superior OmniMan would be terrifying.
Do you play Magic: The Gathering or follow its lore? I'd love to see you add Planeswalkers to your survival challenges.
There are about two types of people: those who think characters should be considered at their strongest, and those who think characters should be considered at their most average/consistent. Characters in continuities like Marvel are widely debated because of this. I think these conversations would be more fun if people could accept one or the other depending on the conversation instead of insiting that their interpretation of fake characters is correct.
Hey love your videos man but I think your being disingenuous about the marvel characters here. Thor Hulk and Sentry consistency have planet level feats without amps and such. Sentry is don't have as much historyor feats but ill explain below.
A base character best and consistent feats/statements matter because they provide a consistent measure of a character’s capabilities across different stories. Another reason is that these characters are written by different people across decades so they have different opinions of what they are capable of. If character A has more feats in their base of fighting things that's above planetary it should be more acceptable than character a who got beat by a street level character. Anti feats and bad writing happens in comics its just plot. This why in power scaling comics we use their best feats and statements or what we see of what they are normally capable of. And usually in most cases majority of characters like Thor and hulk hold back on earth its been stated and shown multiple they hold back. Same applies to people on their level.
Thor has resisted the gravity of a neutron star
has generated enough force to demolish worlds
destroyed planets as a side effect of him fighting.
He lifted Midgard serpent who is heavier than earth.
He overpowered infinite gravity
And lifted 20 planets.
Shattered the root of world tree which spans space time and hold universes. He also lifted the tree as well.
Base hulk/most common version which is savage Hulk have punch hard enough that the heat lights up the universe.
Performing a thunderclap that destroyed a universe.
Grey hulk which is weaker than savage hulk destroys an asteroid which bigger than earth
Thing with savage is with most forms of hulk he get stronger with his anger. His internal amp is different from external amps.
Sentry honestly I don't think sentry have any planet busting feats on table. But it don't matter since he match Thor and hulk in power.
And its been consistently implied with his character many times he has a power of a million exploding suns. Which is obviously above planet levels.
Comic sources
Thor #281
Mighty Thor #468
Thor: God of Thunder #9
Thor #327
Thor: Man of War #
Thor Annual #9
Thor #494
Marvel Comics Presents #52
Incredible Hulk #126
The Age of the Sentry #6
World War Hulk #5
if you were one of people making death battle i would still being watching it. you cut through all the bullshit!
He just said incorrect information.
Dr Doom is the greatest villain of all time who gets nerfed for the sake of one off gags to put over a particular character in a particular issue. His ego isnt the reason why his plans don't succeed. His plans often do succeed, but the reason he fails in the end is because hes a villain in a comic book universe where if he won there would be no more stories to write...
That's literally it right there lmao
Marvels greatest strength is time travel, like there will be people from future timelines coming back to stop it from happening, this happened several times already, cable stop the days of future past timeline, Khang traveling multiple times back in time would certainly warn the heroes if only to deny the viltrumites taking HIS world, Dr.Doom has gone back to stop the timeline where reed Richards created a utopia, wolverine did it by killing hank Pym to prevent Ultron from being created
point is that time travel will mean that the Marvel universe can have possibly decades to prepare before they arrive, and will know the weaknesses of the viltrumites ahead of time, if angstrom levi could go from universe to universe then marvel would have a time traveler back to warn them
Black bolt is ironically super adept at fighting viltrumites, not only does he have sound powers, but they are stronger then any sound powers on invincible
Skeletor is absolutely not physically superior to Thanos.
And Marvel has their own He-Man type but more powerful...he's called Thor.
False. Skeletor’s casual strength feats at base are way beyond Thanos’ at base and Thor is a joke compared to He-man. Consistently ragdolled by Hercules, Sentry and often times Hulk.
@rougarabid Base Thanos is a guy who's trashed the entirety of the Avengers, Annihilators, Ultimates all while monologing and is respected by skyfather or multiversal beings like Galactus or Odin. There's no single possible universe where Skeletor ever outclasses him. And sorry but Thor, Sentry, Herc, Hulk and so on are leagues above He-Man...Thor alone is stronger, tougher, faster, more experienced and more versatile than He Man is. Nice downplays by the way.
@ Namor trashed the Avengers. The Avengers aren’t multiversal. Base Thanos has never beaten any multiversal entity it’s always with an amp. Galactus isn’t multiversal most of the time only a full Galactus and even then Thanos hasn’t ever beat him with his own physical power. He once knocked him out by tricking him into running into a planet where Galactus was knocked out cold, again, not multiversal. Odin is also not Multiversal the vast majority of the time. Storylines often weaken him like when Base Jane Foster Thor beat his ass right before she was then one shotted by Hulk.
He-man has destroyed and recreated the infinite multiverse multiple times, has complete control over time and space (being the master over it), is completely immune to any form of magic regardless of how strong it is, has beaten Superman, etc
If you want to wank I can too and He-man wanks higher than Thor. It’s not even close.
@rougarabid Hw many planets has He-Man moved? How many incalculablly objects has he lifted? How many galaxy sized explosion ms has he endured? Because Thor has done all of that countless times.
He Man is tough, but not that tough.
@rougarabid Bud, that Namor would have easily washed He Man. Galactus and Odin have had many, MANY fights where they threatened the multiverse and all the creation but Thanos can fight against them and earn their respect. Multiversal feats are consistent for both
The Avengers aren't multiversal but they've beaten universal and multiversal entities...heck, Thor alone has heavily damaged The Void and a weakened Chaos King.
Characters like He-Man or Frieza or the Viltrumites or whatever have no place in fights with the Avengers alone, forget them plus X-Men, Inhumans, Fantastic Four, Thunderbolts all together.
The MoTU cosmology isn't anywhere that vast as the Marvel U and He Man beating Superman isn't that impressive in the grand scheme of things either.
If its comic book Marvel then the mutants can take a bunch of these problems because some mutants can just manipulate time or contain a big bangs worth of power using magnetism or just rewrite all reality just on a crash out. Kitty Pryde alone can kill buy just leaving things inside peoples internal organs and just can't be hit by any of these guys except Skeletor who has super magic. Mutants have a ton of bullshit hacks.
The mutants have the advantage of a bunch of unconventional but highly lethal or reality manipulating abilities.
This also discounts the disproportionate amount magic users and super scientists capable of creating time travel or interdimensional travel to just pull who or what they need to win or just abandon the universe and leave a universal doomsday device as a fuck you or just teleport someone to another dimension so its not earths problem anymore.
Scarlet witch and Jean Grey both have the power of consent and higher dimension
The wild cards are going to be Franklin Richards, Legion, The Juggernaut, Scarlet witch, Scarlet witch with the Darkhold. Also it will be terrifying if Skeletor got his hands on that. Also if he intervenes Kane the Conqueror.
Which version of Skeletor would be terrifying if he got his hands on that?
@@tofboss8083Any one of them but if I have to say the one that would be the most terrifying would be his original comic book version.
@@redmaxxs Well classic Skeletor could harm 1982 Superman in a crossover and Eternium War seems OP due to his hax and being able to match universal manipulating Masters, I would guess maybe classic TV show Skeletor may be universal.
Js, Omni Man flew fast enough to destroy everything on the surface of an entire planet. I don't know how anyone can stop that if 50 viltramites do this at once
If Skeletor is a magical being. Can anyone in Marvel cut off his connection to his power? Is that just not how he works?
The thing is, Spider-Man holds back constantly, he's not a mid-tier when he doesn't hold back, he's stated to be at the same level of strength as the hulk when not holding back, this isn't important, I just wanted to say this because Spider-man is my favorite marvel character aside from deadpool
Dont you dare sleep on Sentry lmfao
Hes a reality warper... he created the Void, another completely OP character.
Hes survived being killed by Molecule Man like 3 times, and being erased from the timeline by morgan le fey.
His only blemish is donny cates not knowing who he was or what he was actually capable of when writing his little Knull introduction.... where bob flew through a celestials head(cool asf tbh) to start us off.
I didn’t sleep on Sentry. I said no one on the list was even capable of killing him other than Skeletor.
9:43 the Incredible Hulk is my most favorite character of all time, even throughout the conversion of that series in the 70s from tales to astonish and some of the most incredible things that character was doing back in the Herb Trimpe days.
Like many of the superheroes, the Hulk and most characters today have undergone in saying levels of GOKUisms where goofy riders looking for sales and buzz just add something ridiculous to a character’s power set.
The Hulk has suffered more than most characters where they’ll have one character who will beat his butt senseless and then the next writer makes him OP overpowered
Even stories by Greg Pak or Al Ewing, which I really liked, ultimately suffer from not being so logical and how that power came to be. It stopped being as fun as it became during the 70s and 60s where we started getting the Hulk becoming “the most powerful creature to ever walk the Earth” back when the 70s Marvel had origin headers on the for a splash page of the comic book.
Even when the hawk has been in these OP forms, the writers and editors, not following logic, create situations where they have to wrap the story up in the most unconvincing unrealistic way.
Hulk legitimately beat both thor and a freaking celistal buster iron man suit
Thor has the power of rune king thor
Thor in base held a page infinite book that same power give him the power to beat a loki sorcerers supreme
Thor legitimately move the entire tree I nowk it was a boost but thor has near 4 time as strong
Thor gain the power to do that
Hyperion held back two universe apart what are you talking
1: I'm really vibing with your Thumbnails with Backgrounds Era for these x)
2: You mentioning Doom getting messed up by characters of varyingly small levels of power gave me an idea: Which OP Gag Characters Would Survive _____. Running the gambit from Zenitsu to Popeye or Saitama
Saitama is not a gag character, he is just strong in his own verse.
@tofboss8083 Fair nuff. Moreso meant gag character OP in that the vast gulf of strength is meant to some degree be comical at points
Don't forget Isca the unbeaten. Her mutant power is that she can't lose. At anything. Ever.
I don't know how she'd do it, but she would win.
Man Rouga needs to look like Kamen Rider to REALLY grind new gears.
Ah yes... wasn't at all surprised by the winner. It makes sense.
This video is so dumb lol, bro really thinks Marvel heroes cant hang with the baddest 😂
X-men clear viltrumites. Franklin Richards clears primers. Freiza force would be a problem, but still the X-men and still there. does frieza have reistaznce to mind control? I recently learned about He-mans universe. yea it's over
What is the most Reed with the Nullifier, paired with Charles & Gene paired with Strange and Wanda: can do to Skellator? Cause can’t the nullifier wipe out entire timelines? You’d think Charles and Gene could hold him since it’s mind based rather than magik, Wanda is a reality warper on her own I imagine strange would make a deal like he usually does when out matched, then Reed just nullifies skelator’s entire timeline. (Haven’t really read any of their comics, I just assume this is what they are capable of doing.)
The real threat from the Viltrumites invading Marvel is, even if Marvel Earth can drive them back, they can regroup, find the most powerful mutants or other genetically superior races and criss breed some of the most insane hybreds ever seen.
Rouga!!
Ahh, new challenge. 😁
Let's go!
I think using the characters weakest moments is the same as using their highest ones. Sure, they usually depend less on context, but they also tend to only be a thing because a writer of a particular run doesn't like/care about them and decided to have them steam rolled to make their favorites look good. You see it all the time with Galactus, Thanos, and Doom because those are the big bads everyone knows. In more serious runs those guys can more than hold their own against the stronger hero teams.
Also, with WW hulk being taken out by a sky laser, didnt he pretty much instantly get back up and turn back into hulk? or was that after duking it out with sentry? Either way, using it off the bat would likely not have done anything but turn him back into banner for a second, as he was very much out for blood when he got to earth.
Not only that, but I have the entire WWH saga in one giant omnibus (it wasn't cheap!) and it was made perfectly clear that Hulk LET them stop him because both he and Banner realized they were becoming a threat to the earth and innocent people.
@@MrJeromekent strangely enough, that means he has let himself be taken down by an orbital laser at least twice now, once in WWH and the other in IM, where he wanted shadow base to capture him so he could learn more about what his body was capable of.
Golden frieza could wipe away a solar system with the flick of a finger. Frieza only toys with Goku and vegeta.
I think the biggest thing for Doom is his cosmic power siphon. He 'can' steal any cosmic power and has stolen several in canon (not just the Beyonder example).
When it comes to skeletor there are characters like thor that are magic resistant and will hold out for a bit but not long
I need another one like this but with ben 10's earth with the plumbers, gwen and kevin
Ben 10 characters vs the Avengers!
I'm starting to think you love Skeletor.
We all do! 😊
Primers end up like the flaxans in invincible but with actual good heroes to stomp them it’s just. “God dam it the primers are back, someone fetch Luke cage or something”
Bruh he said congratulations here's a cookie right i grabbed a cookie
Thor has destroy moons with shockwaves from hammer.
Earth is 50 times the size of the moon.
Forget that. Base Thor has knocked destroyed planets with attacks.
52:22
Skeletor: Die.
Legion: Naa I think I'll do my own thing. 😏
Skeletor can’t really die. He’s the Master of Death. Complete control over life and death. No matter what happens to him he always comes back.
Legion would bully 😭🙏
@ Legion:😯I haven't used your powers before. *proceeds to absorb Skeletor*
@@Anansi_The_Conqueror Legion: I like that power
*proceeds to make a personality that has the power*
The Leader clears.😂
This is why I don't like cross versing comic book characters. Because they have so many different stories ready to get so many different Feats there's no point in even just using that character. I would always tell my friends to tell me what storyline that they're using the character from
Agreed.
biggest revelation this video: rouga once read a book
i 99% agree with you on skeletor, i think the only tiny chance marvel has of winning is that the sorcerer supreme sometimes has some BS magic, and it's highly unlikely, but not impossible, that they DO have a way to banish skeletor or something similar, becuase thats what the sorc. supreme has been doing for centuries, banishing various gods and demons and other entities way more powerful AND better at magic than them.
i still think marvel would lose, i'm just saying there's a tiny chance.
the only other tiny chance i can think of is that ghost rider MIGHT be actually able to affect him, becuase some of his powers are basically designed to get around undeath
I remember an episode of I believe Xena, where they had this scroll that granted whatever was written on it true. Unfortunately, they kept writing metaphors on it and the scroll took the writing literally. It was quite funny.
About what you were saying about most heros not being planet busters I agree. But there’s one feat I haven’t heard you mention yet and it’s when Hercules takes atlas is spot and holds the universe effortlessly. Just wanted to hear your thoughts on it.
That’s when he was the prince of power which is a power up. He hasn’t had that title in over a decade.
@@rougarabidcan Superman do that regularly or is that an outlier since he can get beat by Deathstroke or Black Adam.
@@rougarabid I thought prince of power was just a reference to him being the son of Zeus. What was making him more powerful?
i would argue that marvel on earth doesn't have anything to counter smart atoms, it would basically be the im still standing meme but far more brutal.
I like your videos. My one point I'd like to make is about the scalers. Yes we use the bug buff versions of people. Yes they are a one or two time amp. But we debate THESE versions because we choose to. You set a different set of rules. Many scalers put different version vs each other. Rune thor is used alot BECAUSE it's his amped state. I like that you clarify What versions of characters you use.
@@SuperHollowVegeta I’m not talking about you. I’m talking about people who constantly argue this is their power and if I don’t agree I’m stupid and wrong. Read the comments here and you’ll see what I’m talking about.
11:50 misleading information again
Crazy enough, you should try some of these scenarios with Mario characters. You'd be very surprised how far they'd actually get. Those powerups are no joke.
BTW, I like how you put these powerscalers in their place for Marvel/DC.
I would pay SO MUCH money to see skeletor versus ghost rider. Skull vs skull😂🙏
Jean: "No more Primers"
Primers: On no! Amyway
I personally prefer holistic scaling similar to what you do, but having a "death battle" type scaling where it is the absolute peak using all feats is fun sometimes. as long as you dont confuse the two.
Just like game speed runs, there are categories based on how you do it. On the wikis, there should be different categories for each.
As long as it's based on actual feats I don't have a preference. Too many people make things up just to increase the numbers. I've seen people say that Saiyan Saga Yamcha can destroy dwarf stars because Piccolo blew up the moon.
Frieza alone killing every frigging body......
You downplayed the hell out of Marvel lol.
You’d have to say how.
@@rougarabidyou should debate him on that if you truly believe so
@@rougarabid even if I take your scaling for the heavy hitters at face value, there’s just so many different low level characters with hax powers that would make them nightmares for any character that doesn’t have specific abilities that counter them. Like even low level casual magic users in Marvel can use telepathy, BFR or binding spells that could not be countered by people like the Viltrumites. Then you have a number of high level reality warpers on the planet like Sentry, Molecule man, Franklin Richards or Legion that would be a problem. Even someone as relatively low level as Ghost Rider has incredible hax powers that couldn’t be countered by most of these characters.
Ok if you are going to not have high scale feats with marvel you need to keep it the same with the Viltrumites, the best feat everyone uses is the planet destruction. But there is alot of issues here, the planet is unstable the 3 who fly into the planet are among the top level guys they basically 2 shot the regular Viltrumites. Next they are doing this with a laser that can shoot through anything helping and Thadus who is one of the 3 says they have to do this just right and will be extremely lucky if they survive. Overall this along with the strongest Viltrumite Thragg saying it would take about 25 of them to rip earth in 2 is putting them well below planet busting. They would be interesting tho.
Both the Demons of Doom 2016 and the Primers from EDF are stupidly powerful, so much so they can basically flatten any non-craxy universe. I wonder what would happen if the Doom Demons were unleashed onto the Earth in EDF 6?
When Gray Hulk (The weakest Hulk) destroyed a meteor twice the size of Earth, he didn’t use a cannon he used a jet pack because he couldn’t fly. & it didn’t nearly kill him, he was fine after destroying the meteor.
Plus Base Green Hulk literally destroyed a planet just to play ball with its core in the planet Hulk run from last year.
Also The planets in the micro verse are regular sized planets to scale in the micro verse. Idk where u got they are “moon size” from.
& u left out the most powerful Earth based characters like Franklin, Molecule man & Legion for punch monkeys like Hulk.
Idk what stories u read but I just looked it up to make sure & like half of everything you said is incorrect
about the Eternal infinite fight arm race... Tribunal probably doesnt like when creature from another universe just fucking(creating a MAJOR mess) on his garden, he probably gonna take action
Molecule Man, Sentry, Blue Marvel and Hulk can hold it down with just them.
I like the fact that you dont add in the feats where characters had help. If they had help they didn't earn 100% credit
Couldn’t Franklin Richards just boop the enemy out of existence?
Would you consider a Dragon Ball survival challange? Or Saiyan invasion challange? Like some duo or solo takes place of Vegeta and Nappa or maybe Goku when he was sent to conquer Earth? Well that was retconned in the Dragon Ball Minus but you get the idea.
It's unbelievable how much biased he's towards Marvel!
All hail Skeletor… OUR BONE DADDY!!!
The one of the only Heroes in Marvel that doesn't have a million plans made to counter them is Blade (apparently)
And the universe found out why that's a problem in the most recent event featuring him.
the planet blowing up say for a few heroes should not count as a win condition. What are they even fighting for at that point? Humanity lost. I can’t see the marvel heroes overcoming the fire a force. I mean in the DB universe, the characters who know Frieza is a ‘rage quitter’ would’ve lost the plane if it weren’t from a literal god and his angel attendant reversing time. At least in my opinion
What about all the omega level mutants?
I think most of the conquerors mentioned don't have defenses against psychics, there is a reason why there are no psychics in invincible, viltrumites get fucked by telepaths like in the meme of Goku and Vegeta kissing each other.
@ that’s exactly what I was thinking
@@Cactus02-j7ptrue and I said that. I mentioned Xavier using Cerebro. Problem with that is if they send Omniman to weaken the planet years ahead of time he would know of Xavier’s existence and would likely deal with him before that happens. Characters like Xavier, Emma Frost and Jean Grey don’t go out of their way to read the minds of people without their permission. It’s greatly frowned upon. It’s possible but not super likely.
@@rougarabid what about magic users such Dr strange doing magical shenanigans? Especially if Dr strange has the time stone, I don't know much about its capabilities in the comics that much but even the MCU version could see the future to see in which version of the timeline they win bullshit.
@@Cactus02-j7p in the comics, Doctor Strange has the eye of agamotto, not the time stone. The eye allows him to look into and travel between alternate timelines and dimensions. It does not allow him to peer into the future. That’s a movie thing.
I am here recommending The Shoobs again, they are the best Mario villains
Marvel has people living on Mars I thought isn't there a whole race of mutants there
What does that have to do with the video