This video is spot on. You dont get a break at all. Drivers just have no time to stop. You start, do checks, load the van yourself, deliver, return, empty the van, reload and go again. You are on the go for 7 hours straight. You also have van checks before and after shift and he is correct, you have to drive very fast to keep to the time limits. The best drivers know the area and the addresses through experience and they save themselves time because they know where lifts and addresses are located. All jobs take time to learn but just be prepared to work for very long hours, in stressful situations and for very low pay with next to no overtime. Carrying 8 bags of shopping up 4 flights of stairs at the end of a 6 hour shift is brutal. You then have to get back, unload, do your van checks and only when you get home will you be able to rest and eat. No food, drink or toilet breaks after a 6 hour shift is just dangerous and soul destroying. You have been warned. You are operating in a system that is designed to crush the driver. That's how Iceland makes their profits by overworking and underpaying drivers. The driver turn over is ridiculous.
8.5 year Asda driver here. We get Iceland drivers moving over to us all the time. I wouldn't call Asda perfect, some days are a complete disaster, but compared to the horror stories that every single Iceland driver comes with it's clear that the grass is greener on our side. One big problem I see across the board is the drivers failing to put their foot down and stand up for their own rights. I tell every new start that comes to us; They will give you a list of drops, all with arrival times, worked out by a computer that doesn't take into account any delays, roadworks, diversions, or just simply slow drops that take longer than the six minutes they tell us it should take. So, if the plan goes out the window just watch it go and don't worry about getting lates. We don't get paid for our breaks, so for 30 minutes a day, mid-shift, you don't work for them, so just take your break. Typically we do one run, come back to base and reload a second. After the second is loaded onto the van just stop for 30 minutes. You aren't getting paid, so tell them to sod off if they start moaning. Managers will moan, a lot, but let them moan as it's their plan that's gone tits up, not ours. At the end of the day, if you start panicking about time and you start driving around at silly speeds, it's you getting a fine and points on your license, not a manager. They will never do anything about you taking a break as they know you're unpaid and it'll come back to bite them if they kick up a fuss. So, just sit back and follow their sheet as best as you can but never worry about it going tits up. Just clock in, do the drops, clock off and go home. Currently I'm looking at stepping up to Class 2 HGV and moving on, but if you're decent Asda will keep you on as a relief driver, so if you ever need the work it's there as they're always in need of cover and it's PAYE so you'll be paid for whichever shift you do. That's my plan. Tesco apparently do things better, but their shifts are crazy, sometimes only three hours. At least with Asda you know it's a proper eight hour shift and a full day's pay. EDIT: Gonna add a bit more after watching the full video. I know it's a blog at this point, but it may help someone some day. Typically Asda have two types of vans; Split and straight through. Splits are the ones that come back to reload and are much more common. These have a 50 minute window right in the middle, 20 minutes loading time and 30 minutes break. The break is calculated into the 50 minutes regardless of whether the van is returning early or late. Sometimes you get lucky and get back really early, you end up with a full hour break. They aren't arsed about it. That's the good thing about just being left to it. On the other hand, if you're running late and get back late you're gonna lose some of that 50 minutes and you may end up burning through your break. On the straight through vans the break is planned into the journey, but as you say; if you get stuck in traffic or there's a delay then that 30 minutes can quickly turn into zero. When that happens managers will start telling you that you can split your break; Have 10 minutes here, 10 minutes there. That's not legally true. Again as you say; If you're going to be working 8 hours or more, you're entitled to an undisturbed 30 minutes break. This is exactly how HGV works and I've been saying for years now; Every driving job, whether it be HGV or 3.5t van, should be fitted with a tacho. That way it is a legal requirement to stop working, engine off, feet up, after a set number of hours and it totally takes any and all blame away from the drivers. The tacho is there to protect us from managers that don't believe in breaks. If they ever brought tachos to the home shopping vans then there would need to a massive shake up because most places would just crumble. Management would shit themselves.
I’m so glad you posted this. I’ve been working there for 4 months and I really hate it. I wanted to stay because everyone is really nice, but it’s honestly the worst job I’ve ever had. I’ve literally cried on shift for being so stressed. I thought it was just me being pathetic or something, but I’m glad others feel this way too. I’m currently ghosting them after a bout of covid, but after watching this video and realising I’m not a pleb, I think I’m going to give them a call and resign.
@@SuperGameEskimo no definitely not you. For a laugh look up Iceland Driver on Indeed job reviews. You have done well doing 4 months. I think most starting only do a week or less.
@@thebritishbookworm2649 Honestly mate, this was like watching a video made by me. Everything you said I've been saying for the majority of my time there. It's just a really stressful environment without compensation or recognition for your hard work. Gonna check the reviews now.
@@drutt2454 you keep getting later. 10 minutes later back would mean you're now 20 plus minutes late for the next 2 hours.....unless you can gain time or it's a quieter run.
I agree with everything you've said. I only worked 8 shifts as a home delivery driver for Iceland but that was more than enough to decide it wasn't worth it.
After 20 years in the Army I'm doing this next week to top up my pension just for something to do and so I don't have to eat into my saving. Wish me luck.
@@thebritishbookworm2649yeah cheers hopefully it's better now in Sep 23. You're suppose to call back to the store when your 30 mins away it said in the training so they csn get the trays ready. I am half way through my online course but I can't say I'm not concerned from your video. It's going to be fun if they try and rush me because I'll propably just hand the manager keys if they start kicking off at me as after 20 years in the Army I've had enough stress. I'm going to ask for min hours possible as I don't need much. . What are the least amount of hours you can do a week. I was told also that 4 hours after 5pm counts as 8 is this true?
@100Jim I think the minimum was 12 or 16 hours. A Staff Sergeant lasted 2 days at my store which said everything to me. 20 odd years in Army. But it could be store dependent. I doubt it though. But everyone responds different.
Let's just see how it goes if I do 3 days a week it may be doable for my needs and lifestyle. I think I'd rather do later shifts during the week but I bet weekend work is always required at some point.
@@100Jim am sure you will handle it. I just had enough of bs which was why I did a video to tell others. Went from job to job and everywhere seemed the same. It's not acceptable that employers treat staff so badly. I am sure you will see it for what it is and make a decision. Let me know in a few weeks how ya doing.
So I turned up to work this morning at 8am, ready for my first shift with someone. I literally turned up outside the store and I get a phone call from the management. They said to me I haven’t completed my online training fully therefore they cannot start me. Then I get told I’m only doing 16hrs a week when they said minimum 24hrs. I’ve been truly fucked with before I even started. I’ve had experience delivering for Amazon, Argos, and even went self employed for a while. Never experienced anything like it. Fuck Iceland, moving the wheels and looking for something else. I’m fuming because I’ve been unemployed now for a while. And companies just want to fuck you about now. Luckily there is plenty of delivery work available now. I’ve found a delivery driving job which doesn’t do weekends, just Monday to Friday, so fingers crossed I get that one. Thought I would give you an update. Thank you for this video, nothing but truth.
Wow thats crazy but doesn't surprise me. I missed a few modules but luckily the manager messaged me several times to tell me which ones I hadn't done. Another manager and it would have happened to me. Honestly the job is that bad regardless of your experience its probably for your best that it didn't work. Most lads don't last a week or few months. Those that work longer just tolerate it because they don't have confidence to walk.
@@thebritishbookworm2649 They are morons, and for the pay it ain’t worth it. I have an interview for another delivery job on Wednesday and they seem keen. But never again will I apply for Iceland. I drove all the way to work just to be told to turn back round. And paid £6 pay and display because Iceland doesn’t have on site parking. 😂😂
Just lets congratulate this man here .everything you have said on this clip is 100% true and I've just gone through the same thing with the Iceland company as a delivery driver. I was thinking am i the only person who is feeling that I'm failing but defiantly not its the people in the top tier of the company who is.The drivers should have 8 deliveries in a 2 hours slot whether they are on the same area or district and focus on the driver having conversation with a customer which is key to a customer having a good Esperance and wanting to come back again. Iceland its not good skills when your drivers are turning up late with peoples shopping on the last 2-3 drops on a run. And drive time on the podium is utter nonsense how does the podium know whether there is road works or school traffic. The operation would run a lot smoother if you aloud your drivers more time to get set up with the deliveries and get them to the door step in the time bracket and it would free up the time what it does if the instore staff do manage to set up for deliveries which is very rare. Well done The British Book Worm
I’ve watched this video a few times to check if it wasnt just me who was having problems with the Role, and after seeing so many terrible reviews for the driver job and working there for the past 6 months I can see why many people come to this conclusion. I’ll start by saying it is an easy job, it’s what it says on the tin, you take shopping to customers houses and that is that, if you’re looking for a temporary role around 2-5 months this job would be great! But other than this I’d avoid it at all costs, the logistics of the company are horrendous and they expect you to break your back to complete the work load. I’m finally handing in my notice today after 6 months, there are so many better delivery companies out there you could work for, if Iceland had different working conditions and more efficient driver runs it might actually be a valuable company to work for, but until then the company has an extremely long way to go, handing in my notice today and I couldn’t be happier, everything stayed in this video is spot on!
Excellent decision my friend. I think I had a bad area. If the drops were kept to 8 in two hours with both vans going out on busy periods instead of 12 - 14 and once 25!!!! It would have been doable bit it was still a poor company to work for. You struggle with one address and you're going to be 20 - 30 minutes behind next 2 hours. I wish I had walked after a few days.
Done this job for 3/12 years it’s tough what you say is 100% true, worse job I’ve ever done, drivers leave all the time I’ve just left as it’s 2023 and Iceland have made it even harder for drivers, at the age of 64 enough is enough
Iceland where the first supermarket to introduce home delivery I worked there doing stock replenishment when I left school when I was 18 now 42. The driving seemed a decent job and I remember wanting to do it but didn't have my license then but I'm sure the drivers back then only had 6/8 drops looks like it's gone right downhill! There should definitely be a 8 drop cut off per slot
I stuck it out for 7 months, working weekends and it was horrible. I was getting into work at least 45 mins early just to get out on time. I was working 8+ hours shifts without a break. I could probably count on 1 hand the amount of times I actually took a scheduled break during my 7 months there. Everything you said was spot on mate. Towards the end of my time there I was finishing early, so one of the few perks of the job was that you could go home early and still get paid for the remainder of your shift. But taking into account I was going into work 45 mins early anyway, this by far outweighed the number of times I finished early. My training was atrocious! One day shadowing another driver. On 2nd shift they put me on as the sole driver and it was horrendous. I ended up finishing over an hour later than I was supposed to. Should have just walked away then tbh. I'm sure you've found something better anyway mate.
Just had this vid pop up and was very interesting seeing as I worked for Tesco and Waitrose and they are definitely better with the driving jobs. Subbed channel as I also love books. Keep going!!👍☺️
Totally agree I'm 3 weeks into my job All the deliveries have to be brought up in a goods lift from a basement So if you've got an delivery from a hgv into store you have to wait for the lift Most deliveries are 20mins plus from the store and on average its 10 deliveries for a 2hr slot I've found myself getting in 45mins before my shift starts to try and keep up with the slots Can't see me lasting much longer what kind of person works for nothing ? It's the worse jib I've ever had shame on iceland You expect your drivers to break speed limits to deliver goods on time and there's no breaks for the drivers awful company to work fir
I watched the first half of this video yesterday, half an hour before setting off to work as an iceland delivery driver. My first shift ever, on job training. 2 hours with another driver and then sent on me own for the next 2 hours slot. Luckily it was a 10-12 then a 12-2, ended up going 35 minutes easily past in to my own time. The reason why i said luckily because there’s the new law enforcement through cameras with entering school users roads during certain specific hours. The end story is that the system directing you at these vulnerable times of being caught by cameras should be held accountable for any and all fines incurred and this is where iceland make their profits upon the unfair suffering of others. Slavery has always existed in england and always will, there’s no changing that. whether ruling the waves or the hardworking peoples pockets. it’s all the same, friends and foe alike
I applied for Iceland, didn't get the job, thankfully, now work for Tesco as a driver and have to admit had a few bad trips and thought not for me, but now 6 wks in, its just clicked, timings are tight but I'm loving it now
You're lucky you left before the introduction of these new crate liners, the added delivery to your slot too.Did I hear that they sort out your crates too ? We sort ours , and they're usually not ready when you're due to be going out. There are a lot more problems than you highlighted. Thanks for this video, you certainly told the truth. Wish you well 👍👍👍 6/8 am slot been abolished too. Another edit: Route Monkey presumes you're doinng 30 mph (average) .... we probably average about 12 mph over the shift.
Thanks for watching. Yeah we mostly sorted crates out ourselves it was one manager particularly who was great called Jake. Honestly I misses quite abit out too like you said. I don't know how anyone stays long term.
Spot on video, however as another comment has pointed out, they've changed the slots to [8am-10am], [10am-12am], [12:30pm-2:30pm], [2:30pm-4:30pm], [5pm-7pm], [7pm-9pm], which is okay. Sometimes I'm dreading to receive the paperwork when I get back from a stressful run worrying how many crates I'll have to deliver on the next. Location does play a massive part. I deliver in a small-ish town with many roundabouts so traffic flow is usually sound and I find I'm rarely stopping/starting besides getting out to deliver. Only downside is that most addresses have their back gates where traditionally their front garden would be so it's sometimes a pain in the back trying to find their actual door but other than that, can't really complain too much. One thing that pees me off is the team inside who pick for you sometimes don't do it on time and that can delay your whole shift whilst they get to go home bang on time. Or if it's not that, it's a lost crate, or a couple of products are due to be chucked into a crate I've already loaded etc... Another bonus is the £12.50 pay rise, still I believe it should be at least £13/£13.50 but it is what it is... for now... I've also been told that per door you should need 6 minutes on average so I think that's also store-dependent and location, considering the average travel time from house to house for me is usually 3-4 minutes unless I've completed an area and I'm onto the next which takes an average of 10-12 minutes to travel. I'll heavily agree with you that the manager is pretty alright with the mistakes you make occasionally, missing a crate or a product that fell out of a bag that you didn't spot for example, it just ends up on your next run as a re-drop and the customers have yet to complain to me about said mistakes. In short, I agree with this video quite a lot with how stressful and time-consuming it may be but if anyone is reading this comment contemplating whether to apply or not, my advise to you is this: If you're desperate for money, give it a try and see how you get on. You might roll a lucky dice with how your store operates. If you're not bothered with money so much and you're assessing your options, I would apply for Asda/Tesco as it seems they do have a "more working" system over there. It's clear Iceland have tried to make quality-of-life changes to improve time efficiency and healthy and safety but they still have more work to do in my honest opinion. EDIT: 24x Cans of pop and 24x 500ml of water will be your worst nightmare. As long as you don't have any of them in your run (or lack of), you know it's going to be a pretty decent run in that time-slot.
It was rush hour this morning and so was only 4 drops. They've also made it 10 to 12 and 1230 start next one... usually get back for about 1145. I genuinely feel lucky now after this.
Honestly I work as a Iceland delivery driver have done for about 4 years now. I agree with your options on the job. I came from working at hermes which was and still is a million times worse. Each slot is caped at 12 drops but the cashiers will still take more delivery's until the time slot closes. But as a driver you don't have to take more than 12 and you can flat out refuse to take anymore than what is in your contract. Atm my manager has taken all our concerns about the procedures and has implemented some important changes in the way things are done. I.e more time at a door less drops per slots and having the people who implemented The decisions to have experienced what there proposing
You have done well sticking at it 4 year's. I guess each region can be different. The 12 cap is a great idea. It was for me never a straight routine on shift as something would usually come up. Your manager sounds decent. The store I worked at has advertised the job positions about 6 times in the last 5 months so several others must have left since I was there. I do think there are far better jobs out there for you though.
@@thebritishbookworm2649 all true I've had about 8 or 9 guys that I've trained in the last 5 months and they have all left due to unexpected amount of work they was faced with from there first shift and expecting to work as effectively as someone who has been working for yrs.
That’s what I thought, 2 hours is a bit low. At Argos I had 4 to 6 hours per delivery slot. And had 14 drops if not more, at Amazon I had 4 hours to deliver 80 parcels in Peterborough and got done on time. I start with Iceland on Monday, as I’ve had delivery experience 7 years. I’m gonna go and see what it entails. I was made redundant last year by Argos unfortunately. Been on UC for a while to pay the bills. I can’t wait to see how Iceland deliver in such short time. If they drive around like twats I’m out.
I wish you the very best of luck. I tried to make it work 4 months with 3 years previous delivery experience but I just had to leave after I realised it wasn't me and that the majority who came and went felt the same. Sorry to hear about Argos. Best of luck.
@@thebritishbookworm2649 I mean the delivery work doesn’t seem that hard. It’s keeping up with time. And I do think 2 hours is to short. Maybe they should push it to 4 hours a slot, then 12 drops would absolutely be possible. Although the Huntingdon Iceland radius is only 10 miles in each direction. So 2 hours could actually work. But for a big store like Burnley that would never work. In order to make this work. They should just increase the slot times. And add 30 minutes to prepare and deliver.
@@KillingSpree193 yeah absolutely agree 👍no account on road works, traffic conditions or other issues. You literally are running 🏃♂️ around from start to finish everyday. If they reduced bookings every 2 hours to 10 -12 but you can have 18 on sometimes. You get back late means you are now extra behind for your next 12 drops. Good luck but would recommend indeed job reviews also to see others experiences. 👍
@@thebritishbookworm2649 I’m currently doing the E leaning process. It’s so long winded it’s unreal. I had to do the same at Argos. Then they quiz you at the end off each module. By the end you have forgotten it. They go on about Heath and safety but it never actually happens in store. Then they go on about tills, which we never use!. I’m gonna go in on Monday and if I see the bullshit begin I’m not afraid to pack it in.
I currently work as home delivery for Iceland. Everything you have said is spot on. They have now removed the delivery times of the runs, this doesn’t benefit drivers only the company….they now have nowt to answer to in regards to that particular subject. Well played lol. Unfortunately it appears to be all well known supermarkets have all the same ridiculous working practices
I'd recommend working as a driver at sainsburys decent hours. Max of just over 20 drops a day, but more than enough time to do the drops and a decent company in general to work for.
And to add time at the door depends on the area and how long a previous delivery at that address took. But its a minimum of 7 minutes. I've evn see it go as high as 20 minutes
I've worked for iceland for 5 years although I know where every delivery is I don't need the sat nav but even I get pushed and to get around the slot quicker I end up cheating the pda to save time the vans are 52 but the runs are busted with crates and have condense the crates down it is correct you have 15 minutes to load your van weather you have 10 crates or 52 crates which is a van full . It used to be online deliveries and instore deliveries but now they have sameday deliveries which always screw the slots over run ragged alday I have a interview with another
Good luck moving on to a better job. I knew most of mine off my heart bit like you said you still run around like a mad man to get close to the time slots.
I did 15 in less than 2 hours, mulitple times. Location definitely plays a big part of this. Thankfully a good team helps too. Real shame it was this way for yourself.
I did 18 drops regularly in 2 hours. Even in rush hour and via road works. But it is determined by the distance between drops and distance from your store. If your driving 40 minutes to one and back to your 2rd drop then 12 isn't happening in 2 hours. But am sure a few people get on alright at good stores. The few that exist.
@@thebritishbookworm2649 yeah see the longest from store is roughly 20 min, no more. It's also split between two stores, making the areas manageable. As I said, location definitely plays a part of this. If I was in Leicester or any other bigger city, I'd probably tear my hair out.
Iceland honestly one of the worse jobs I've had, I got injured last year from doing the job! They were so unsupportive HR only protect the managers & higher ups. Since I was still under probation they pushed me out this way. I totally agree about the stress and the drain on mental health it's a complete joke. HR advised while recovering from the injury I should think of the extra stress it's adding to the staff... Like I wanted to take the time off!!! It was off due to their neglect and stupidity. They NEVER provided enough time to take breaks either
That's disgusting. I hope you have found something better. It is definitely the worst job I have stayed in. The people above are either stupid, ignorant or evil. But sticking at it sounds like you are determined. Several drivers left because of safety issues. Terrible company.
Thanks for the info bud had an interview today and got the job was in 2 minds tbh seemed to good to be true haha they didn't tell me about the 2 hour window you get and no official breaks
Any experience working for Ocado? I'm starting a part-time job with them as a delivery driver in a couple of weeks time. Apparently, they are supposed to treat their drivers quite well compared to other supermarkets, but I am seeing a lot of mixed opinion at the same time. Cheers 🙂
It was £10 at the time and now it's £10 50. The wage depends on your contract hours. But you can do more than 16 24 or 37 hours they tend to contract you on. It wasn't worth the money!
Preston city centre is fucking horrible to deliver shopping. Absolutely disgusting. I’m due to work tomorrow but I’m still awake as I don’t want to go back at all
Which of course you never get. The worst thing for me is the blagging done by management when you first start. The blatant lies about how it works, and then they hit you with 12 deliveries per less than 2 hour slot. Getting home at past 9pm after setting off at half 6am to get there half hour early. Obviously not being paid for that. I also am a grafter. I have been a manager as well, I was diagnosed with blood cancer so changed my job completely. Really wish I hadn’t as I’ve never been more stressed
Sorry to hear this and a Kate reply. I hope you are or have found something else. I moved in two more jobs before I finally feel like I have settled into a reasonably demanding driving job. I found Iceland impossible to respect or accept. Its really disgraceful that they make drivers work to such unacceptable standards. But as drivers aren't really in a union or have any voice they get away with it.
Without doubt Ocado/Morrisons is a lot worse. They give you 4 minutes to do most deliveries. There staff turnover rate is incredibly high, infact there reputation precedes them now & most people don't even turn up in the first day..there's no interview process, if you look at the job advert on indeed it even states "NO CV REQUIRED". Have a look for yourself. The management team are a joke, some are barely kids with zero experience.. this one time great company has really gone down hill rapidly.
@@thebritishbookworm2649 yup they actually gave me the job. Three days of "training" about 4 hrs of real driving... They sent me out on my own on Saturday and I found it very difficult I was not ready for the parking and trying to get through small spaces.. all the crate stuff loading the van n that was easy. But I don't think Im confident enough to be thrown in the deep end right away.. I was honest in the interview saying this would be my first driving job aswell. Supposed to be back tomorrow for a full 8 hour shift on my own. Super worried about it.
3 weeks of refusing to work faster and I was sacked Inspecting, loading and unloading your vehicle, 6 deliveries per 2 hour window is perfectly reasonable But the average was 9 - ludicrous
I started delivering for asda im nearly 2weeks in, they sort all crates in order and driver just has to put it in the right slot in the van and get just shy of an hour to load and do vehicle checks. Only thing is i rely on satnav as i dont know some places they deliver too and get taken some weird routes satnav definitely made some situations worse 😂
@@pelemasa2516 Fridays are busy. But most days are very busy. Mornings 6am to 8am 8am to 10 am are quiet I think mostly. You can have a quiet moments as in 6 drops in 2 hours etc but you are usually worked flat out where breaks are hard to get. They will show you the "official" way to do things and "Iceland " ideas etc but it's all bullshit as you will see.
I applied for the job recently but didn't hear anything from it so maybe that's a good thing because the job sounds rubbish and not worth doing so won't bother applying for the job again!!!
The rail system is ridiculous. I went out without a hook once and couldn't get the back crates out until I got my rucksack out of van and through it into crates to pull put.
@Ian Mac no am a hard working person who believes staff should be treated right. Do you not think the standards should come from both ways? That is standards of employment were infringement of moral standards others should be told? Are either concept wrong to live by?
This video is spot on. You dont get a break at all. Drivers just have no time to stop. You start, do checks, load the van yourself, deliver, return, empty the van, reload and go again. You are on the go for 7 hours straight. You also have van checks before and after shift and he is correct, you have to drive very fast to keep to the time limits. The best drivers know the area and the addresses through experience and they save themselves time because they know where lifts and addresses are located. All jobs take time to learn but just be prepared to work for very long hours, in stressful situations and for very low pay with next to no overtime. Carrying 8 bags of shopping up 4 flights of stairs at the end of a 6 hour shift is brutal. You then have to get back, unload, do your van checks and only when you get home will you be able to rest and eat. No food, drink or toilet breaks after a 6 hour shift is just dangerous and soul destroying. You have been warned. You are operating in a system that is designed to crush the driver. That's how Iceland makes their profits by overworking and underpaying drivers. The driver turn over is ridiculous.
8.5 year Asda driver here. We get Iceland drivers moving over to us all the time. I wouldn't call Asda perfect, some days are a complete disaster, but compared to the horror stories that every single Iceland driver comes with it's clear that the grass is greener on our side.
One big problem I see across the board is the drivers failing to put their foot down and stand up for their own rights. I tell every new start that comes to us; They will give you a list of drops, all with arrival times, worked out by a computer that doesn't take into account any delays, roadworks, diversions, or just simply slow drops that take longer than the six minutes they tell us it should take. So, if the plan goes out the window just watch it go and don't worry about getting lates. We don't get paid for our breaks, so for 30 minutes a day, mid-shift, you don't work for them, so just take your break. Typically we do one run, come back to base and reload a second. After the second is loaded onto the van just stop for 30 minutes. You aren't getting paid, so tell them to sod off if they start moaning. Managers will moan, a lot, but let them moan as it's their plan that's gone tits up, not ours. At the end of the day, if you start panicking about time and you start driving around at silly speeds, it's you getting a fine and points on your license, not a manager. They will never do anything about you taking a break as they know you're unpaid and it'll come back to bite them if they kick up a fuss. So, just sit back and follow their sheet as best as you can but never worry about it going tits up. Just clock in, do the drops, clock off and go home.
Currently I'm looking at stepping up to Class 2 HGV and moving on, but if you're decent Asda will keep you on as a relief driver, so if you ever need the work it's there as they're always in need of cover and it's PAYE so you'll be paid for whichever shift you do. That's my plan.
Tesco apparently do things better, but their shifts are crazy, sometimes only three hours. At least with Asda you know it's a proper eight hour shift and a full day's pay.
EDIT: Gonna add a bit more after watching the full video. I know it's a blog at this point, but it may help someone some day. Typically Asda have two types of vans; Split and straight through. Splits are the ones that come back to reload and are much more common. These have a 50 minute window right in the middle, 20 minutes loading time and 30 minutes break. The break is calculated into the 50 minutes regardless of whether the van is returning early or late. Sometimes you get lucky and get back really early, you end up with a full hour break. They aren't arsed about it. That's the good thing about just being left to it. On the other hand, if you're running late and get back late you're gonna lose some of that 50 minutes and you may end up burning through your break. On the straight through vans the break is planned into the journey, but as you say; if you get stuck in traffic or there's a delay then that 30 minutes can quickly turn into zero. When that happens managers will start telling you that you can split your break; Have 10 minutes here, 10 minutes there. That's not legally true. Again as you say; If you're going to be working 8 hours or more, you're entitled to an undisturbed 30 minutes break. This is exactly how HGV works and I've been saying for years now; Every driving job, whether it be HGV or 3.5t van, should be fitted with a tacho. That way it is a legal requirement to stop working, engine off, feet up, after a set number of hours and it totally takes any and all blame away from the drivers. The tacho is there to protect us from managers that don't believe in breaks. If they ever brought tachos to the home shopping vans then there would need to a massive shake up because most places would just crumble. Management would shit themselves.
Been doing this nearly 3 months and no complaints, quite enjoy it.
Glad it's working out for you.
I got an interview on 25 April.
Nice to see a good review, all the bad ones were getting me worried lol.
@@wrathschild9241I got mine tomorrow😳
I’m so glad you posted this. I’ve been working there for 4 months and I really hate it. I wanted to stay because everyone is really nice, but it’s honestly the worst job I’ve ever had. I’ve literally cried on shift for being so stressed. I thought it was just me being pathetic or something, but I’m glad others feel this way too.
I’m currently ghosting them after a bout of covid, but after watching this video and realising I’m not a pleb, I think I’m going to give them a call and resign.
I just called up and quit. Thank you very much for this video. I honestly wouldn’t have had the courage to do it without this video. Thank you.
@@SuperGameEskimo no definitely not you. For a laugh look up Iceland Driver on Indeed job reviews. You have done well doing 4 months. I think most starting only do a week or less.
@@thebritishbookworm2649 Honestly mate, this was like watching a video made by me. Everything you said I've been saying for the majority of my time there. It's just a really stressful environment without compensation or recognition for your hard work. Gonna check the reviews now.
What happens if you take longer then the time
@@drutt2454 you keep getting later. 10 minutes later back would mean you're now 20 plus minutes late for the next 2 hours.....unless you can gain time or it's a quieter run.
I agree with everything you've said. I only worked 8 shifts as a home delivery driver for Iceland but that was more than enough to decide it wasn't worth it.
It's a horrible job and senseless stress. Glad my video helped in some sense too. Good luck with new position else where.
After 20 years in the Army I'm doing this next week to top up my pension just for something to do and so I don't have to eat into my saving. Wish me luck.
Thankyou for your service mate. Good luck.
@@thebritishbookworm2649yeah cheers hopefully it's better now in Sep 23. You're suppose to call back to the store when your 30 mins away it said in the training so they csn get the trays ready. I am half way through my online course but I can't say I'm not concerned from your video. It's going to be fun if they try and rush me because I'll propably just hand the manager keys if they start kicking off at me as after 20 years in the Army I've had enough stress. I'm going to ask for min hours possible as I don't need much. . What are the least amount of hours you can do a week. I was told also that 4 hours after 5pm counts as 8 is this true?
@100Jim I think the minimum was 12 or 16 hours. A Staff Sergeant lasted 2 days at my store which said everything to me. 20 odd years in Army. But it could be store dependent. I doubt it though. But everyone responds different.
Let's just see how it goes if I do 3 days a week it may be doable for my needs and lifestyle. I think I'd rather do later shifts during the week but I bet weekend work is always required at some point.
@@100Jim am sure you will handle it. I just had enough of bs which was why I did a video to tell others. Went from job to job and everywhere seemed the same. It's not acceptable that employers treat staff so badly. I am sure you will see it for what it is and make a decision. Let me know in a few weeks how ya doing.
So I turned up to work this morning at 8am, ready for my first shift with someone. I literally turned up outside the store and I get a phone call from the management. They said to me I haven’t completed my online training fully therefore they cannot start me. Then I get told I’m only doing 16hrs a week when they said minimum 24hrs. I’ve been truly fucked with before I even started. I’ve had experience delivering for Amazon, Argos, and even went self employed for a while. Never experienced anything like it.
Fuck Iceland, moving the wheels and looking for something else. I’m fuming because I’ve been unemployed now for a while. And companies just want to fuck you about now. Luckily there is plenty of delivery work available now. I’ve found a delivery driving job which doesn’t do weekends, just Monday to Friday, so fingers crossed I get that one. Thought I would give you an update. Thank you for this video, nothing but truth.
Wow thats crazy but doesn't surprise me. I missed a few modules but luckily the manager messaged me several times to tell me which ones I hadn't done. Another manager and it would have happened to me. Honestly the job is that bad regardless of your experience its probably for your best that it didn't work. Most lads don't last a week or few months. Those that work longer just tolerate it because they don't have confidence to walk.
@@thebritishbookworm2649 They are morons, and for the pay it ain’t worth it. I have an interview for another delivery job on Wednesday and they seem keen. But never again will I apply for Iceland. I drove all the way to work just to be told to turn back round. And paid £6 pay and display because Iceland doesn’t have on site parking. 😂😂
Just lets congratulate this man here .everything you have said on this clip is 100% true and I've just gone through the same thing with the Iceland company as a delivery driver. I was thinking am i the only person who is feeling that I'm failing but defiantly not its the people in the top tier of the company who is.The drivers should have 8 deliveries in a 2 hours slot whether they are on the same area or district and focus on the driver having conversation with a customer which is key to a customer having a good Esperance and wanting to come back again. Iceland its not good skills when your drivers are turning up late with peoples shopping on the last 2-3 drops on a run. And drive time on the podium is utter nonsense how does the podium know whether there is road works or school traffic. The operation would run a lot smoother if you aloud your drivers more time to get set up with the deliveries and get them to the door step in the time bracket and it would free up the time what it does if the instore staff do manage to set up for deliveries which is very rare. Well done The British Book Worm
I’ve watched this video a few times to check if it wasnt just me who was having problems with the Role, and after seeing so many terrible reviews for the driver job and working there for the past 6 months I can see why many people come to this conclusion. I’ll start by saying it is an easy job, it’s what it says on the tin, you take shopping to customers houses and that is that, if you’re looking for a temporary role around 2-5 months this job would be great! But other than this I’d avoid it at all costs, the logistics of the company are horrendous and they expect you to break your back to complete the work load. I’m finally handing in my notice today after 6 months, there are so many better delivery companies out there you could work for, if Iceland had different working conditions and more efficient driver runs it might actually be a valuable company to work for, but until then the company has an extremely long way to go, handing in my notice today and I couldn’t be happier, everything stayed in this video is spot on!
Excellent decision my friend. I think I had a bad area. If the drops were kept to 8 in two hours with both vans going out on busy periods instead of 12 - 14 and once 25!!!! It would have been doable bit it was still a poor company to work for. You struggle with one address and you're going to be 20 - 30 minutes behind next 2 hours. I wish I had walked after a few days.
Done this job for 3/12 years it’s tough what you say is 100% true, worse job I’ve ever done, drivers leave all the time I’ve just left as it’s 2023 and Iceland have made it even harder for drivers, at the age of 64 enough is enough
It's amazing you lasted that long.
I come from Sainsbury's and transferred to Asda, can't complain tbh
Thanks for the detail mate and good luck with your next job.
Iceland where the first supermarket to introduce home delivery I worked there doing stock replenishment when I left school when I was 18 now 42. The driving seemed a decent job and I remember wanting to do it but didn't have my license then but I'm sure the drivers back then only had 6/8 drops looks like it's gone right downhill! There should definitely be a 8 drop cut off per slot
ive worked for the food warehouse Iceland and I wouldn't recommend it to anyone. This is unrealistic targets not worth the back breaking effort.
I stuck it out for 7 months, working weekends and it was horrible. I was getting into work at least 45 mins early just to get out on time. I was working 8+ hours shifts without a break. I could probably count on 1 hand the amount of times I actually took a scheduled break during my 7 months there. Everything you said was spot on mate. Towards the end of my time there I was finishing early, so one of the few perks of the job was that you could go home early and still get paid for the remainder of your shift. But taking into account I was going into work 45 mins early anyway, this by far outweighed the number of times I finished early. My training was atrocious! One day shadowing another driver. On 2nd shift they put me on as the sole driver and it was horrendous. I ended up finishing over an hour later than I was supposed to. Should have just walked away then tbh.
I'm sure you've found something better anyway mate.
I am about to start ..looks like it would be a big challenge for me .
It's good to know you had a similar experience mate. You did really well doing it that long. 👏 In the end I just couldn't put up with it a day more.
Just had this vid pop up and was very interesting seeing as I worked for Tesco and Waitrose and they are definitely better with the driving jobs. Subbed channel as I also love books. Keep going!!👍☺️
Totally agree I'm 3 weeks into my job
All the deliveries have to be brought up in a goods lift from a basement
So if you've got an delivery from a hgv into store you have to wait for the lift
Most deliveries are 20mins plus from the store and on average its 10 deliveries for a 2hr slot I've found myself getting in 45mins before my shift starts to try and keep up with the slots
Can't see me lasting much longer what kind of person works for nothing ?
It's the worse jib I've ever had shame on iceland
You expect your drivers to break speed limits to deliver goods on time and there's no breaks for the drivers awful company to work fir
I hope you find something better straight away. Asda is always looking and it's far better.
I watched the first half of this video yesterday, half an hour before setting off to work as an iceland delivery driver. My first shift ever, on job training. 2 hours with another driver and then sent on me own for the next 2 hours slot. Luckily it was a 10-12 then a 12-2, ended up going 35 minutes easily past in to my own time. The reason why i said luckily because there’s the new law enforcement through cameras with entering school users roads during certain specific hours. The end story is that the system directing you at these vulnerable times of being caught by cameras should be held accountable for any and all fines incurred and this is where iceland make their profits upon the unfair suffering of others. Slavery has always existed in england and always will, there’s no changing that. whether ruling the waves or the hardworking peoples pockets. it’s all the same, friends and foe alike
I applied for Iceland, didn't get the job, thankfully, now work for Tesco as a driver and have to admit had a few bad trips and thought not for me, but now 6 wks in, its just clicked, timings are tight but I'm loving it now
That's good to hear. Asda and Tesco are pretty good jobs in comparison to Iceland.
You're lucky you left before the introduction of these new crate liners, the added delivery to your slot too.Did I hear that they sort out your crates too ? We sort ours , and they're usually not ready when you're due to be going out. There are a lot more problems than you highlighted. Thanks for this video, you certainly told the truth. Wish you well 👍👍👍 6/8 am slot been abolished too. Another edit: Route Monkey presumes you're doinng 30 mph (average) .... we probably average about 12 mph over the shift.
Thanks for watching. Yeah we mostly sorted crates out ourselves it was one manager particularly who was great called Jake. Honestly I misses quite abit out too like you said. I don't know how anyone stays long term.
Spot on video, however as another comment has pointed out, they've changed the slots to [8am-10am], [10am-12am], [12:30pm-2:30pm], [2:30pm-4:30pm], [5pm-7pm], [7pm-9pm], which is okay. Sometimes I'm dreading to receive the paperwork when I get back from a stressful run worrying how many crates I'll have to deliver on the next. Location does play a massive part. I deliver in a small-ish town with many roundabouts so traffic flow is usually sound and I find I'm rarely stopping/starting besides getting out to deliver. Only downside is that most addresses have their back gates where traditionally their front garden would be so it's sometimes a pain in the back trying to find their actual door but other than that, can't really complain too much.
One thing that pees me off is the team inside who pick for you sometimes don't do it on time and that can delay your whole shift whilst they get to go home bang on time. Or if it's not that, it's a lost crate, or a couple of products are due to be chucked into a crate I've already loaded etc... Another bonus is the £12.50 pay rise, still I believe it should be at least £13/£13.50 but it is what it is... for now... I've also been told that per door you should need 6 minutes on average so I think that's also store-dependent and location, considering the average travel time from house to house for me is usually 3-4 minutes unless I've completed an area and I'm onto the next which takes an average of 10-12 minutes to travel. I'll heavily agree with you that the manager is pretty alright with the mistakes you make occasionally, missing a crate or a product that fell out of a bag that you didn't spot for example, it just ends up on your next run as a re-drop and the customers have yet to complain to me about said mistakes. In short, I agree with this video quite a lot with how stressful and time-consuming it may be but if anyone is reading this comment contemplating whether to apply or not, my advise to you is this: If you're desperate for money, give it a try and see how you get on. You might roll a lucky dice with how your store operates. If you're not bothered with money so much and you're assessing your options, I would apply for Asda/Tesco as it seems they do have a "more working" system over there. It's clear Iceland have tried to make quality-of-life changes to improve time efficiency and healthy and safety but they still have more work to do in my honest opinion.
EDIT: 24x Cans of pop and 24x 500ml of water will be your worst nightmare. As long as you don't have any of them in your run (or lack of), you know it's going to be a pretty decent run in that time-slot.
It was rush hour this morning and so was only 4 drops.
They've also made it 10 to 12 and 1230 start next one... usually get back for about 1145.
I genuinely feel lucky now after this.
That's 👍 good that.
Honestly I work as a Iceland delivery driver have done for about 4 years now. I agree with your options on the job. I came from working at hermes which was and still is a million times worse. Each slot is caped at 12 drops but the cashiers will still take more delivery's until the time slot closes. But as a driver you don't have to take more than 12 and you can flat out refuse to take anymore than what is in your contract. Atm my manager has taken all our concerns about the procedures and has implemented some important changes in the way things are done. I.e more time at a door less drops per slots and having the people who implemented The decisions to have experienced what there proposing
You have done well sticking at it 4 year's. I guess each region can be different. The 12 cap is a great idea. It was for me never a straight routine on shift as something would usually come up. Your manager sounds decent. The store I worked at has advertised the job positions about 6 times in the last 5 months so several others must have left since I was there. I do think there are far better jobs out there for you though.
@@thebritishbookworm2649 all true I've had about 8 or 9 guys that I've trained in the last 5 months and they have all left due to unexpected amount of work they was faced with from there first shift and expecting to work as effectively as someone who has been working for yrs.
i had 15 drops in my first full week working 🤣
All true I lasted 2 weeks too much stress and frustrating as hell
I didn't get to the point quickly enough but felt so annoyed after trying so hard for 4 months. Had to get it out there.
That’s what I thought, 2 hours is a bit low. At Argos I had 4 to 6 hours per delivery slot. And had 14 drops if not more, at Amazon I had 4 hours to deliver 80 parcels in Peterborough and got done on time.
I start with Iceland on Monday, as I’ve had delivery experience 7 years. I’m gonna go and see what it entails. I was made redundant last year by Argos unfortunately. Been on UC for a while to pay the bills. I can’t wait to see how Iceland deliver in such short time. If they drive around like twats I’m out.
I wish you the very best of luck. I tried to make it work 4 months with 3 years previous delivery experience but I just had to leave after I realised it wasn't me and that the majority who came and went felt the same. Sorry to hear about Argos. Best of luck.
@@thebritishbookworm2649 I mean the delivery work doesn’t seem that hard. It’s keeping up with time. And I do think 2 hours is to short. Maybe they should push it to 4 hours a slot, then 12 drops would absolutely be possible. Although the Huntingdon Iceland radius is only 10 miles in each direction. So 2 hours could actually work. But for a big store like Burnley that would never work. In order to make this work. They should just increase the slot times. And add 30 minutes to prepare and deliver.
@@KillingSpree193 yeah absolutely agree 👍no account on road works, traffic conditions or other issues. You literally are running 🏃♂️ around from start to finish everyday. If they reduced bookings every 2 hours to 10 -12 but you can have 18 on sometimes. You get back late means you are now extra behind for your next 12 drops. Good luck but would recommend indeed job reviews also to see others experiences. 👍
@@thebritishbookworm2649 I’m currently doing the E leaning process. It’s so long winded it’s unreal. I had to do the same at Argos. Then they quiz you at the end off each module. By the end you have forgotten it. They go on about Heath and safety but it never actually happens in store. Then they go on about tills, which we never use!. I’m gonna go in on Monday and if I see the bullshit begin I’m not afraid to pack it in.
@@KillingSpree193 love your style and yes you're 100% right it's all bollocks
I currently work as home delivery for Iceland. Everything you have said is spot on. They have now removed the delivery times of the runs, this doesn’t benefit drivers only the company….they now have nowt to answer to in regards to that particular subject. Well played lol. Unfortunately it appears to be all well known supermarkets have all the same ridiculous working practices
I'd recommend working as a driver at sainsburys decent hours. Max of just over 20 drops a day, but more than enough time to do the drops and a decent company in general to work for.
And to add time at the door depends on the area and how long a previous delivery at that address took. But its a minimum of 7 minutes. I've evn see it go as high as 20 minutes
@@mattwiper sounds excellent
Horrible company to work for! Done 3 years there and I was going out with 27 28 drops, not 20! The managers are all arseholes and treat you like shit
I've worked for iceland for 5 years although I know where every delivery is I don't need the sat nav but even I get pushed and to get around the slot quicker I end up cheating the pda to save time the vans are 52 but the runs are busted with crates and have condense the crates down it is correct you have 15 minutes to load your van weather you have 10 crates or 52 crates which is a van full .
It used to be online deliveries and instore deliveries but now they have sameday deliveries which always screw the slots over run ragged alday I have a interview with another
Good luck moving on to a better job. I knew most of mine off my heart bit like you said you still run around like a mad man to get close to the time slots.
Hi mate are able to do a video about driving for ASDA?
Yeah I will do mate
I did 15 in less than 2 hours, mulitple times. Location definitely plays a big part of this.
Thankfully a good team helps too. Real shame it was this way for yourself.
I did 18 drops regularly in 2 hours. Even in rush hour and via road works. But it is determined by the distance between drops and distance from your store. If your driving 40 minutes to one and back to your 2rd drop then 12 isn't happening in 2 hours. But am sure a few people get on alright at good stores. The few that exist.
@@thebritishbookworm2649 yeah see the longest from store is roughly 20 min, no more. It's also split between two stores, making the areas manageable.
As I said, location definitely plays a part of this. If I was in Leicester or any other bigger city, I'd probably tear my hair out.
Iceland honestly one of the worse jobs I've had, I got injured last year from doing the job! They were so unsupportive HR only protect the managers & higher ups. Since I was still under probation they pushed me out this way. I totally agree about the stress and the drain on mental health it's a complete joke. HR advised while recovering from the injury I should think of the extra stress it's adding to the staff... Like I wanted to take the time off!!! It was off due to their neglect and stupidity. They NEVER provided enough time to take breaks either
That's disgusting. I hope you have found something better. It is definitely the worst job I have stayed in. The people above are either stupid, ignorant or evil. But sticking at it sounds like you are determined. Several drivers left because of safety issues. Terrible company.
Thanks for the info bud had an interview today and got the job was in 2 minds tbh seemed to good to be true haha they didn't tell me about the 2 hour window you get and no official breaks
Good luck mate. They go through so many drivers because it's a very shit job.
Any experience working for Ocado? I'm starting a part-time job with them as a delivery driver in a couple of weeks time. Apparently, they are supposed to treat their drivers quite well compared to other supermarkets, but I am seeing a lot of mixed opinion at the same time. Cheers 🙂
I think it's store dependent. But heard its not that great to be honest.
nah mate, i'd avoid them
My Mrs worked for them for a few years mate , she finished two years ago and she said exactly the same, their a shit company to work for 👍
How often did you get paid and what was the standard salary for a 37.5 hour a week shift
It was £10 at the time and now it's £10 50. The wage depends on your contract hours. But you can do more than 16 24 or 37 hours they tend to contract you on. It wasn't worth the money!
Preston city centre is fucking horrible to deliver shopping. Absolutely disgusting. I’m due to work tomorrow but I’m still awake as I don’t want to go back at all
How's it going jess?
It’s an hours break. 15 min in a morning, 30 min for lunch and 15 minutes in a evening. Oorrrr an hour at once
Which of course you never get. The worst thing for me is the blagging done by management when you first start. The blatant lies about how it works, and then they hit you with 12 deliveries per less than 2 hour slot. Getting home at past 9pm after setting off at half 6am to get there half hour early. Obviously not being paid for that. I also am a grafter. I have been a manager as well, I was diagnosed with blood cancer so changed my job completely. Really wish I hadn’t as I’ve never been more stressed
Sorry to hear this and a Kate reply. I hope you are or have found something else. I moved in two more jobs before I finally feel like I have settled into a reasonably demanding driving job. I found Iceland impossible to respect or accept. Its really disgraceful that they make drivers work to such unacceptable standards. But as drivers aren't really in a union or have any voice they get away with it.
brilliant work.
Without doubt Ocado/Morrisons is a lot worse. They give you 4 minutes to do most deliveries. There staff turnover rate is incredibly high, infact there reputation precedes them now & most people don't even turn up in the first day..there's no interview process, if you look at the job advert on indeed it even states "NO CV REQUIRED". Have a look for yourself. The management team are a joke, some are barely kids with zero experience.. this one time great company has really gone down hill rapidly.
Wow that sounds horrendous!!! I use to go the cafe in my local Morrisons and its got so bad never go now. The management and staff are awful.
Sounds as bad as Ocado. You want to see the staff turnover rate there .
I have an interview for this job in 45 mins do I bother jeez
Did you go? 😅
@@thebritishbookworm2649 yup they actually gave me the job. Three days of "training" about 4 hrs of real driving... They sent me out on my own on Saturday and I found it very difficult I was not ready for the parking and trying to get through small spaces.. all the crate stuff loading the van n that was easy. But I don't think Im confident enough to be thrown in the deep end right away.. I was honest in the interview saying this would be my first driving job aswell. Supposed to be back tomorrow for a full 8 hour shift on my own. Super worried about it.
@@ImDreaming659 you definitely can do it.
3 weeks of refusing to work faster and I was sacked
Inspecting, loading and unloading your vehicle, 6 deliveries per 2 hour window is perfectly reasonable
But the average was 9 - ludicrous
Absolutely REDICULOUS 💯
Yeah, we get up to 13 in Hyde dark store 😮
I started delivering for asda im nearly 2weeks in, they sort all crates in order and driver just has to put it in the right slot in the van and get just shy of an hour to load and do vehicle checks. Only thing is i rely on satnav as i dont know some places they deliver too and get taken some weird routes satnav definitely made some situations worse 😂
Looking to give a go ...part time job sat&sun . Will let you know lol
Please let me know how you get on mate 🙏
@@thebritishbookworm2649 what days are "busiest days"?... this sat I will have my induction and suppose to start training next weekend 😀
@@pelemasa2516 Fridays are busy. But most days are very busy. Mornings 6am to 8am 8am to 10 am are quiet I think mostly. You can have a quiet moments as in 6 drops in 2 hours etc but you are usually worked flat out where breaks are hard to get. They will show you the "official" way to do things and "Iceland " ideas etc but it's all bullshit as you will see.
How's it going mate?
@@davidchitidze9133 good you?
I applied for the job recently but didn't hear anything from it so maybe that's a good thing because the job sounds rubbish and not worth doing so won't bother applying for the job again!!!
Hello friends jobs
The railing system😂 if your a lady and are not as strong as a male driver, makes it impossible
The rail system is ridiculous. I went out without a hook once and couldn't get the back crates out until I got my rucksack out of van and through it into crates to pull put.
Poor you
I didn't want sympathy. I wanted to inform others not to work there.
You a jobs guru or just a guy who likes moaning about work like 90% of the population FFS 🙈🙈
@Ian Mac no am a hard working person who believes staff should be treated right. Do you not think the standards should come from both ways? That is standards of employment were infringement of moral standards others should be told? Are either concept wrong to live by?
@@thebritishbookworm2649 course I do but if there not like every other job there’s a big door with EXIT on it
😂