I’d imagine the Mando fleet would be almost Roman in its consistency; Their underworld contacts and various dealings would ensure that they could recruit mercenaries or local forces into the fleet, alongside having a large but fairly small compared the the non-mando requisitioned vessels completely mandolorian ship. This is until they were able to secure more and better ship rights and yards, but they would need these ‘auxiliary’ forces for superior familiarity and intelligence of nearby systems, which means they’d have to play their cards with the non-mandos or mandos to be VERY carefully, any political or social issues could cause not only the locals with the issue simply disengage and return home forone reason or another, but impress other local forces to do the same.
They did have a lot of planets (Concord Dawn, Shogun, Mandalia, etc.) That likely have many none Mandalorians living on them. Potential auxiliary recruitment pool.
@@huntclanhunt9697thing is, mandalorians never distinguished by the place you came from. You can be sure that anyone who speaks their language, is willing to follow their leader, wears their armour and is decently qualified for military Service is in effect seen as a fellow brother in Arms.
2:35 small correction Mandalore's moon is not Concord Dawn Mandalore's moon is Concordia, Concord Dawn is just named after Concordia, Concord Dawn is just a mandalorian colony near Mandalore
@@sammywhite5127 Concord Dawn was in this weird place where it was canon and wasnt canon cause back in the day that was where Jango Fett was born. Originally I think it was the moon of Mandalore. Guess its just a colony now.
@@KillerOrca I'm pretty sure Concord dawn has always been a mandalorian colony I checked and I don't think it's ever been a moon of Mandalore, as far as the new canon goes I don't know and I don't care the new canon is garbage
I think the best point you made was that for this to succed the empire must consider a invasion of Mandalore to be too expensive . It would be intersting to see in star wars the rise of Mandalore after the collapse of the empire .
Fun fact, the Empire does not invade Mandalore in the EU. It is just not worth it to poke the hornet's nest. Nobody knows how many Mandalorians there are, where they are or what they can bring together if they get angry. At least that is how I understand it from the Republic Commando books.
I´d use the Fang Fighter as a secondary/ interception craft, and Kom´rk Class Fighter/Bombers for bombing or deploying commando teams. Those two vessels are both equipped with hyperdrives, and could do their job just as well as the the corporate crafts. Other mandalorian/Hutt crafts are best used as in-atmosphere Strike craft. And, most effective would be Besalisk War Droids, though that would be akin to a war crime, but could give them the edge they need against the Empire. Another thing that comes to mind is using mandalorian jetpack-equipped Commandos the same way the Empire uses its Zero-G-troopers.
Yeah, I love both the Fang fighter and the Kom’rk, although I’ve always wanted to see different versions of the Kom’rk, such as the one we see, to be used as a general & troop transport with Starfighting abilities, but at least one other version with the troop deployment rack with for example, a powerful ion cannon, or duel one, as well as 1or 2 missile tunes and 1 or 2 torpedo tubes, to in effect make that version of the Kom’rk into either a gunship or heavy bomber. There should be plenty of room to not only fit that three extra weapon systems, but could carry a significant number of various missiles and torpedoes.
@@biggsdarklighter0473 Not argueing the effectiveness of the BWD but the mandalorians stole the plans in the first place, so remaking the specs in the imperial era would be nearly impossible.
Honestly the Kandossi barely even needs reworking. All of it's weapons are still highly effective and can destroy any capital ship the Empire has short of SSD class and up.
I thought Beskar was extremely rare? I’m not sure about the viability in armoring everything with it. Still an interesting take on a Mandolorian fleet!
At least in the EU Mandalorian armor/Beskar barely existed in amounts to maintain personal armor. Suits would be kept in use for multiple hundred years not only out of tradition but also because fully repairing them wasn't feasible. While it does sell for a great amount, at least in the EU it was never available in great quantities beyond that to make personal armor.
@@GigglesClown Basically. While there was likely several mines still operational during the movies-era they would not sell even alloys with low Beskar content. Palpatine had his forces strip whatever remained in the known mines, which didn't grant him what he sought but did effectively reduce the likelyhood of the Mandalorians challenging his rule. It took a nasty bombing campaign on Mandalore decades later to uncover new Beskar, which did precipitate a renewal of Mandalorian power in the galaxy.
I've actually designed a faction in the SW universe where the Mandalorian's would be a major part of the politics and military. Btw, beskar is sacred to the mandalorians and are not used lightly, mainly used for armor and hand held weapon. So it is unlikely that they would trade it for money
This is an excellent video! However, it is important to keep in mind that Beskar, even on Mandalore, is rare and expensive. Every ounce of Mandalorian Iron is precious which is why new Beskar'gam is usually formed from the armor of their predecessors. There was simply not enough Beskar to use on massive hull-plating and the chance that it could be lost and not recovered is too great a risk. It wasn't until the Yuuzhan Vong opened up new deposits of Beskar on Mandalore that they were comfortable using the material on vehicles, but even then only on the Bes'uliik-class fighter.
@@avonthesageoc4980 we don't really know enough about Beskar, to make an educated guess. What if Beskar makes the durasteel brittle, Like using too much coal in Steel production, or does it work more like Titanium, by making the whole alloy durable, alternatively it might not even mix, so that you get diffrent Areas in the Material made of elementar Beskar among the durasteel.
@@biggsdarklighter0473 There are Beskar alloys, though no author has dared to tred the realms of metallurgy. Beskar is comfortably treated as space-mithril because of its properties and rarity, so there is little need to consider alloys.
@@biggsdarklighter0473 As did MandalMotors after the Yuuzan Vong war. It is implied that many alloys were devised & tested across Mandalorian history. Also worth noting is that only Mandalorian Iron-smiths know how to make Beskar resistant to intense energy like that of a lightsabre, a closely guarded secret. Palpatine's servants wasted vast quantities of Beskar experimenting with it in vain.
I adore the Keldabe class battleship in Empire At War. Between all the star destroyers and star cruisers, the Mandalorians show up with an actual battleship. All armour, and huge guns. A capital ship to hunt capital ships, both brutal and rugged. As all proper Mandalorian designs are.
Emphasis on heavy armor to let their ships get in close, and then boarding actions. So many goddamn boarding actions. Put that endless Beskar armor to work. Great video either way!
I noticed something about the Dreadnought-class. i could easily see a upgraded carrier model. Add a launch/landing bay on both port and starboard sides, tied to the main hull by three reinforced pylons.
I disagree with your whole premise of sticking beskar on EVERYTHING, because its a limited resource as far as we know there is a limited supply which barely gets everyone a real suit of armor. making ships with the material wouldn't be very possible.. and imagine losing a ship covered in it.. you'd be begging your enemies to steal the material after they disable them, breach the hull blow it into two halves..
Its limited in use because personal armor smiths are a traditional culture. Beskar for ships is of a much more mass production friendly idea. They have the foundry infrastructure as their domes are made of the stuff.
@@avonthesageoc4980 i don't believe that, perhaps they can coat warships in it, but rare metals don't often get used for city sized projects, i dunno.. maybe there is a massive amount, but due to demand from outside sources.. i would think it'd be better to tip boarding breaking craft with the metal and select fighters who could be smaller and forgo shields, we never really see a warship immune to laser fire.. if they were.. cool... and why wouldn't they be able to push off the empire in such a case? I can't see millions of suits of armor, hundreds/thousands of fighters plus a fleet outfitted in the metal, maybe magic lets them.. but i just can't see it.
@@dawfydd well I point to the mandalorian Jedi war they clearly had enough beskar to supply there soldiers with it tho there's probably not as much as there was in the past there is still definitely alot on mandalor and its moon that's still not been found
I am not very well versed in SW lore, I've seen the movies and I watched Rebels on top of a bunch of yt vids, so take this for what it is (still a huge fan of Thrawn :p): Disgrace seems to be the Mandalorian theme. The people of the old Roman empire always called themselves Romans even when they knew the city was rubble, even the Byzantines. They did so in hopes that one day a city they had no real ties to would be rebuilt. To contrast, the Mandalorian's loss of their empire was like losing the city, but they accepted that disgrace. I could totally see the Mandalor I know adopting that doctrine as one of many possibilities, but I don't think it would work for them. Even defeated and enslaved, the galaxy seems to keep Mandalor in the corner of its eye. They would get special attention from who's in power, unless said power was the 'letting the Dominion reinforce Cardassia' complacent type. The moment the Empire noticed a militant and ambitious Mandalor, it might not send a massive fleet given the circumstances, but at least Vader and/or Thrawn would be all over it. They could just ally themselves with Amarr. Whatever floats their boat :p
The history of the Mandalorians have always been a bittersweet one. They may endure but like Onderon their now so different from their ancient ancestors despite their code, and armour remaining with them, they might as well be a different people. A destiny foreseen long ago, on the ruined world of Malachor V. A world that no longer exists. ruclips.net/video/lzaQh8geL1Q/видео.htmlm20s
They did have a bomber and light gunship in star wars legends... the besullik bomber, the vyrhawk bomber, and the tra'kad.... they also could have used fang fighters, komrk fighters, gladiator assault fighters and cabur fighters. they also refitted lictor class ships and also had kilitirn class dungeon ships from rendili for capital ships and vengeance frigates. all the ships are linked below... media.moddb.com/images/mods/1/15/14249/gladiator3.jpg media.moddb.com/images/mods/1/15/14249/cabur.jpg starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Kom%27rk-class_fighter starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Fang-class www.moddb.com/mods/yuuzhan-vong-at-war/images/trakad-defense-platform www.moddb.com/mods/yuuzhan-vong-at-war/images/besuliik-prototype-fighter-bomber starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Lictor-class_dungeon_ship starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Kiltirin-class_dungeon_ship starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Vengeance-class_frigate
While I think a mandalorian uprising could work, and I would want it to. It would require as you said to make an invasion too expensive. But I get the feeling that the emperor isn’t one who cares much for human life so would happily throw men at mandatory until it breaks. Also it would require Vader to not be deployed, and as this would be classed as a serious threat, I think he would be deployed and at that point I think his strategical mind will beat them.
Eh, I'd rather use the gauntlets for bombing and boarding actions. It's probably not too hard to replace a gauntlet class troop bay with a large bombing payload.
I can only imagine that in a post-Rise of Skywalker era there's a bunch of smaller regional factions throughout the galaxy and the Mandalorian Empire led by Grogu or Mirta Gev being one of the factions with the most powerful militaries and most commonly allies with the Galactic Alliance (what I'd call the faction the Resistance and some of their closest allies formed) when it comes to dealing with First Order Remnants and warlords.
This video is perfect to go to sleep after watching it. Not that it is boring but it just to well timed with the time i go to sleep. ( i live in Germany and it is 21:29 dont knew what time it is in your country)
Couple things I would probably consider/change 1. Removing Old Republic era designs I know that they are popular and are the only Mando capital ships we have to go off of but it would be like if the New Republic just started Making Venators again for their fleets after the fall of the empire. 2. As pointed out in the video briefly the Mando's aren't going to have very much manufacturing capability especially if this is during the imperial era and they are isolated from the rest of the galaxy. So it would make a little bit more sense if the Mando's raided old Clone wars storage and scrap yards. This would give them ships of all sizes and variants from both republic and CIS designs to build their fleet out plus throwing in a few open market ships into the mix to fill any gaps. 3. This conversation changes completely if we are talking post empire because then the Mando's would be able to create their industry and use new designs openly without worrying about the empire coming crashing down on them in retaliation. 4. Beskar isn't something they have in enough abundance to just go throwing on ships. If I wanted to incorporate Beskar I would probably go the route of having the Mando's develop an artificial alternative where they can produce as much as they want but it's just not as strong maybe they mix Beskar in with some other form of strong metal. Something along those lines.
What about the Krayt and Kimogila fighters that serve as heavy attack craft? While I understand the starviper being a possible choice as the std fighter along with the fang. If they want raiding ships that can dish out damage and make it out alive those would seem a far better option as heavy torpedo bomber/ gunship.
the marauder was also a cruiser that fired diamond boron missiles just like the Broadside-class cruiser kdb-1 so the corvette would only to sub level to the cruiser which can damage multiple ships in a barrage unlike the corvette. to add I do reckon the the mandalorians would have made contact with the Zann consortium who did raid the shipyards of the mandalorians and stole some ship designs but they also had deisgns from the emipre as well like the Vengeance-class frigate and Aggressor-class Star Destroyer and would have provided some heavier support until the mandalorians were ready for a full out fight and the zann consortium was a major power house in the under world of the star wars galaxy.
I would love to see a version of Star wars where the Mandalorians weren't destroyed and Thron joins them. With his strategic mind and skills they would've been unstoppable...
What about the fang fighter? Or even the kandosii Dreadnought? And i honestly love the idea of putting beskar armor plates on ships and vehicles besides just infantry.
Increase droid usage to lower the Crew count, Switch out the nuclear warhead for Fusion Rockets. Modernize carrier-based fighters and you're good to go.
I like your video but i have a few issues 1. I think you grossly overestimate the amount of beskar the mandalorians have 2. You are overestimating the mandalorian capability to build maintain and crew large fleets 3. The fleet is missing a few ship types in my opinion mainly frigates carriers and destroyer like ships. Aside from that good video.
I absolutely love the Keldabe Class Battleship as it is the perfect vessel ageanst capital ships I mean come on if your shields are failing just steal energy from your enemy plus not only do you have your heavy turboblasters but you also have mass driver cannons
As for fighters, I would go with the Fangs, the ability pf the wings to rotate and have the lasers shot from them, would give them a superiority over the TIE fighters
Interesting fleet makeup idea but I believe that a navy without a decent supply of frigates is a very screwed navy. Unfortunately we never see any spacs on any Mandalorian frigates designs though we know they copied some frigate classes from worlds they conquered in the buildup to the Mandalorian Wars. And we never get solid soecs for any Corporate Sector frigates either.
Not really. If you go by the Legends stats they barely outgun CR-90s. If you go by the tabletop RPG stats it is even worse. I think the creator of the tabletop RPG syats was deliberately making the Interceptor-IVs suck as much as possible honestly.
I would think it’d be like how the USA navy works; a focus on carriers, bomber and fighter support. If I recall correctly, such a focus is why the EA became a notable power during and after the Dilgar Wars.
What about the Kandosii-class dreadought is a beauty of a ship and very strong. When you let it fight agains the keldabe class in Empire at war the Kandosii wins most of the times
you under estimate the mandoloran evessels arlready in excistance..(heavy breathing ..and what sounds like a bong hit ) the fang fighters are a fairly devestating fighter platform , and the gauntlets fighter ...is also an excellent troop carrier..the lancer class puirsuit vessels would make excellent small raiders/ anti fighter platform s etc.. not to forget kimulgula and dune lizards fighters also ...no mandolore worth there salt would jump at the oppurtunity to build a modern as big as a super star destoyer version of a kandosi class dreadnaught...escorted by by the kildaubi 's and crusaders ...mirader what ?:lol
I am not sure where you got this . Mandalore was a ghetto planet with a devastated surface that could barley support itself and nearly got taken over by a bunch of pirates . If barley had any resources
Thrawn would probably go in with interdictor frigates, escorted by Tartan Cruisers and broadside cruisers. Against Commandos he'd use noghri commandos, as well as various Elite stormtrooper units. Against Infantry, he'd use the "duchess"-prototypes, while against canderous tanks, anything with shield breaking weapons would do. To Bad, the Empire doesn't have much of those units. I suppose TX-130 Saber Tanks are good enough for that Job,given their superior speed.
Bes'kar has not been used in ship construction for a very long time, and even then it's just the outer hold plating, and that itself is heck of expensive, money and time, not just the bes'kar, plus the needed nr. of smiths to make it happen is pretty hard to come by, and trading it is no go, that thing sis holy to them, their skills on the other hand, are different matter,
Dude, mandos with jetpacks are boarding Torpedos. Only point in having those would be if the enemy has no point-defense, doesn't move away from a preplanned course and they need a Base to rearm.
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Aggressors are deeply vulnerable to fighter attacks and their firing for their Main guns is smaller than the AT-AT's. They'd probably get in exactly one Salvo before being overwhelmed by enemy fighters/bombers.
@@biggsdarklighter0473 You assume that it would be alone, give it support craft and a fighter escort and it would be able to 1 tap enemy carriers before they are able to launch all their fighers and bombers.
"Thriving urban planet"... with half the population of New York... in total for the whole planet... There are so many things that are messed up in the old Star Wars lore :/
If you take the Battle of Geonosis to be any indication, the initial numbers for the Clone Army were around 1.2 million clone units at the start of the Clone Wars, at least five million more ordered later, with official sources citing a full army size of 3.2 million at one point. For a conflict that was supposed to span the entire galaxy. Contrast to the stated crew complements of an Imperial I-class, and multiply that by the number of Imperial I Star Destroyers stated to exist, and you get 1.169 BILLION serving members of the Imperial military based on Imperial I Star Destroyer crew complements alone and assuming all those ships have full crews. I don't know if Star Wars was ever realistic when it comes to military sizes. Even Death Stars had a very small number of personnel relative to their size and volume.
@@Catalyst375 to be fair on the clone issue I do think that it's meant to be that the clones are fighting the important battles and that the local planetary forces handle smaller fights in less important areas
@@sammywhite5127 Still... 6.5-ish million clones? Meanwhile, the German Army in WWII had 13.6 million soldiers... And the Soviet army was 34+ million strong... But sure, 6.5 million is fine for fighting a galaxy spanning war 8) I know the "local forces" argument, but compared to real life numbers, it's pretty dumb, even with local forces included.
@@freshFerdinand are you seriously saying the previous interpretations of The mandalorians are OneNote and lack nuance, especially compared to the TCW "war bad, peace good" mandalorians those guys are the most OneNote nuance lacking things I have ever seen, not to mention the fact they're so out of whack with every other interpretation that we ever seen of the mandalorians that I genuinely cannot think of a way that you can reasonably consider it part of the same canon
@@freshFerdinand TCW turned them all into blond hair blue-eyed Aryans. Turned the lush life filled planet of Mandalore into a white sheet of ash with boring domes and uniform modernist buildings. Wiped out the original cultural identity of the Mandalorians, the identity that allowed them to carve out their homeworld and make a mark across the galaxy, into something to be shamed and forgotten because of a few elites. Not to mention actively rewriting canon with having a duchess ruling instead of Mandalore, moving the capital, turning the planet into a dust bowl, and making Jango and Boba Fett the progenators of everything Mandalorian not Mandalorian is stupid.
I’d imagine the Mando fleet would be almost Roman in its consistency;
Their underworld contacts and various dealings would ensure that they could recruit mercenaries or local forces into the fleet, alongside having a large but fairly small compared the the non-mando requisitioned vessels completely mandolorian ship. This is until they were able to secure more and better ship rights and yards, but they would need these ‘auxiliary’ forces for superior familiarity and intelligence of nearby systems, which means they’d have to play their cards with the non-mandos or mandos to be VERY carefully, any political or social issues could cause not only the locals with the issue simply disengage and return home forone reason or another, but impress other local forces to do the same.
first planet i would go to? EARTH, THE GREATEST WARRIORS IN THE GALAXY ARE ROGHT HERE lol.
They did have a lot of planets (Concord Dawn, Shogun, Mandalia, etc.) That likely have many none Mandalorians living on them. Potential auxiliary recruitment pool.
@@huntclanhunt9697thing is, mandalorians never distinguished by the place you came from. You can be sure that anyone who speaks their language, is willing to follow their leader, wears their armour and is decently qualified for military Service is in effect seen as a fellow brother in Arms.
2:35 small correction Mandalore's moon is not Concord Dawn Mandalore's moon is Concordia, Concord Dawn is just named after Concordia, Concord Dawn is just a mandalorian colony near Mandalore
Is that how they sorted things out?
@@KillerOrca what do you mean?
@@sammywhite5127 Concord Dawn was in this weird place where it was canon and wasnt canon cause back in the day that was where Jango Fett was born.
Originally I think it was the moon of Mandalore. Guess its just a colony now.
@@KillerOrca I'm pretty sure Concord dawn has always been a mandalorian colony I checked and I don't think it's ever been a moon of Mandalore, as far as the new canon goes I don't know and I don't care the new canon is garbage
@@KillerOrca Concord Dawn was mentioned in the Clone Wars (before Disney bought Star Wars) and seen twice in Rebels.
I think the best point you made was that for this to succed the empire must consider a invasion of Mandalore to be too expensive .
It would be intersting to see in star wars the rise of Mandalore after the collapse of the empire .
Like possibly in The Mandalorian?......
Fun fact, the Empire does not invade Mandalore in the EU. It is just not worth it to poke the hornet's nest. Nobody knows how many Mandalorians there are, where they are or what they can bring together if they get angry. At least that is how I understand it from the Republic Commando books.
Read the EU comics. Fenn Shysa does that.
You're incredibly generous with the precious beskar
I´d use the Fang Fighter as a secondary/ interception craft, and Kom´rk Class Fighter/Bombers for bombing or deploying commando teams. Those two vessels are both equipped with hyperdrives, and could do their job just as well as the the corporate crafts. Other mandalorian/Hutt crafts are best used as in-atmosphere Strike craft.
And, most effective would be Besalisk War Droids, though that would be akin to a war crime, but could give them the edge they need against the Empire. Another thing that comes to mind is using mandalorian jetpack-equipped Commandos the same way the Empire uses its Zero-G-troopers.
Yeah, I love both the Fang fighter and the Kom’rk, although I’ve always wanted to see different versions of the Kom’rk, such as the one we see, to be used as a general & troop transport with Starfighting abilities, but at least one other version with the troop deployment rack with for example, a powerful ion cannon, or duel one, as well as 1or 2 missile tunes and 1 or 2 torpedo tubes, to in effect make that version of the Kom’rk into either a gunship or heavy bomber. There should be plenty of room to not only fit that three extra weapon systems, but could carry a significant number of various missiles and torpedoes.
weren't the specs of the Besalisk destroyed as a part of the resolution of the Mandalorian wars?
@@harozuken that´s why I´m mentioning it as effective, but war crime territory.
@@johnpatz8395 I mean, the fang is nothing but a kom´rk with additional weapons strapped on, and better dogfighting specs.
@@biggsdarklighter0473 Not argueing the effectiveness of the BWD but the mandalorians stole the plans in the first place, so remaking the specs in the imperial era would be nearly impossible.
they could also modernize their old equipment like the Kandosii
they also made ships for the zann consortium like the vengeance frigate and aggressor star destroyer. They can use these in their formations.
@@MrNiceGuy214 the two ship classes you just mentioned are pirate crafts, developed by Pirates or Mercenaries.
Honestly the Kandossi barely even needs reworking. All of it's weapons are still highly effective and can destroy any capital ship the Empire has short of SSD class and up.
yeah, but, just slap some shields onto the kandosii, use it as more of a backline/supplement and call it a day
@@thenerfkid9228 I'd also try to automate some on-board Systems, so you don't need 10000 men to fly that glorious piece of mandalorian Overkill.
I thought Beskar was extremely rare? I’m not sure about the viability in armoring everything with it.
Still an interesting take on a Mandolorian fleet!
At least in the EU Mandalorian armor/Beskar barely existed in amounts to maintain personal armor. Suits would be kept in use for multiple hundred years not only out of tradition but also because fully repairing them wasn't feasible. While it does sell for a great amount, at least in the EU it was never available in great quantities beyond that to make personal armor.
I'd assume it was so rare because the mandalorian exhausted the supply over thousands of years of war
@@GigglesClown Wasnt exactly common to begin with.
Well they have a planet and a moon that might have some untaped beskar
@@GigglesClown Basically. While there was likely several mines still operational during the movies-era they would not sell even alloys with low Beskar content. Palpatine had his forces strip whatever remained in the known mines, which didn't grant him what he sought but did effectively reduce the likelyhood of the Mandalorians challenging his rule. It took a nasty bombing campaign on Mandalore decades later to uncover new Beskar, which did precipitate a renewal of Mandalorian power in the galaxy.
They should add those Mandalorian ships and stuff to canon.
I've actually designed a faction in the SW universe where the Mandalorian's would be a major part of the politics and military. Btw, beskar is sacred to the mandalorians and are not used lightly, mainly used for armor and hand held weapon. So it is unlikely that they would trade it for money
This is an excellent video! However, it is important to keep in mind that Beskar, even on Mandalore, is rare and expensive. Every ounce of Mandalorian Iron is precious which is why new Beskar'gam is usually formed from the armor of their predecessors. There was simply not enough Beskar to use on massive hull-plating and the chance that it could be lost and not recovered is too great a risk. It wasn't until the Yuuzhan Vong opened up new deposits of Beskar on Mandalore that they were comfortable using the material on vehicles, but even then only on the Bes'uliik-class fighter.
I think he meant for it to just enhance the metal like just mix some in with durasteel
@@avonthesageoc4980 we don't really know enough about Beskar, to make an educated guess. What if Beskar makes the durasteel brittle,
Like using too much coal in Steel production, or does it work more like Titanium, by making the whole alloy durable, alternatively it might not even mix, so that you get diffrent Areas in the Material made of elementar Beskar among the durasteel.
@@biggsdarklighter0473 There are Beskar alloys, though no author has dared to tred the realms of metallurgy. Beskar is comfortably treated as space-mithril because of its properties and rarity, so there is little need to consider alloys.
@@dhaburuk6494um, wrong. Death Watch has somewhat experimented in alloying beskar by adding other elements.
@@biggsdarklighter0473 As did MandalMotors after the Yuuzan Vong war. It is implied that many alloys were devised & tested across Mandalorian history. Also worth noting is that only Mandalorian Iron-smiths know how to make Beskar resistant to intense energy like that of a lightsabre, a closely guarded secret. Palpatine's servants wasted vast quantities of Beskar experimenting with it in vain.
I adore the Keldabe class battleship in Empire At War. Between all the star destroyers and star cruisers, the Mandalorians show up with an actual battleship. All armour, and huge guns. A capital ship to hunt capital ships, both brutal and rugged. As all proper Mandalorian designs are.
Emphasis on heavy armor to let their ships get in close, and then boarding actions. So many goddamn boarding actions. Put that endless Beskar armor to work.
Great video either way!
Great point. They need ships, the enemy has ships - problem solved itself. :P
@@dhaburuk6494Problem is, they also need people to Crew the ships.
I noticed something about the Dreadnought-class. i could easily see a upgraded carrier model. Add a launch/landing bay on both port and starboard sides, tied to the main hull by three reinforced pylons.
You mean, like the Ymir-Carriers of the colonials in Battlestar Galactica?
Soooooo, they become the Zan Consortium??
EXACTLY! X3
I disagree with your whole premise of sticking beskar on EVERYTHING, because its a limited resource as far as we know there is a limited supply which barely gets everyone a real suit of armor.
making ships with the material wouldn't be very possible.. and imagine losing a ship covered in it.. you'd be begging your enemies to steal the material after they disable them, breach the hull blow it into two halves..
Its limited in use because personal armor smiths are a traditional culture. Beskar for ships is of a much more mass production friendly idea. They have the foundry infrastructure as their domes are made of the stuff.
Well there on mandalor a Beskar rich planet so um they would have alot
@@avonthesageoc4980 i don't believe that, perhaps they can coat warships in it, but rare metals don't often get used for city sized projects, i dunno.. maybe there is a massive amount, but due to demand from outside sources.. i would think it'd be better to tip boarding breaking craft with the metal and select fighters who could be smaller and forgo shields, we never really see a warship immune to laser fire.. if they were.. cool... and why wouldn't they be able to push off the empire in such a case?
I can't see millions of suits of armor, hundreds/thousands of fighters plus a fleet outfitted in the metal, maybe magic lets them.. but i just can't see it.
@@dawfydd well I point to the mandalorian Jedi war they clearly had enough beskar to supply there soldiers with it tho there's probably not as much as there was in the past there is still definitely alot on mandalor and its moon that's still not been found
@@dawfydd i also point to when the vong bombarded mandalore it revealed new sources of beskar and lots of it
I am not very well versed in SW lore, I've seen the movies and I watched Rebels on top of a bunch of yt vids, so take this for what it is (still a huge fan of Thrawn :p): Disgrace seems to be the Mandalorian theme. The people of the old Roman empire always called themselves Romans even when they knew the city was rubble, even the Byzantines. They did so in hopes that one day a city they had no real ties to would be rebuilt. To contrast, the Mandalorian's loss of their empire was like losing the city, but they accepted that disgrace.
I could totally see the Mandalor I know adopting that doctrine as one of many possibilities, but I don't think it would work for them. Even defeated and enslaved, the galaxy seems to keep Mandalor in the corner of its eye. They would get special attention from who's in power, unless said power was the 'letting the Dominion reinforce Cardassia' complacent type. The moment the Empire noticed a militant and ambitious Mandalor, it might not send a massive fleet given the circumstances, but at least Vader and/or Thrawn would be all over it.
They could just ally themselves with Amarr. Whatever floats their boat :p
The history of the Mandalorians have always been a bittersweet one. They may endure but like Onderon their now so different from their ancient ancestors despite their code, and armour remaining with them, they might as well be a different people.
A destiny foreseen long ago, on the ruined world of Malachor V. A world that no longer exists.
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They did have a bomber and light gunship in star wars legends... the besullik bomber, the vyrhawk bomber, and the tra'kad.... they also could have used fang fighters, komrk fighters, gladiator assault fighters and cabur fighters. they also refitted lictor class ships and also had kilitirn class dungeon ships from rendili for capital ships and vengeance frigates. all the ships are linked below...
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starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Lictor-class_dungeon_ship
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Mandalorians: *outclassed in terms of numbers*
Beskar:im about to saves this planets whole career
This is an awesome build. My son wants dual DC-17's for his Mando cosplay and I'll be grabbing up these templates to help with that.
While I think a mandalorian uprising could work, and I would want it to. It would require as you said to make an invasion too expensive. But I get the feeling that the emperor isn’t one who cares much for human life so would happily throw men at mandatory until it breaks. Also it would require Vader to not be deployed, and as this would be classed as a serious threat, I think he would be deployed and at that point I think his strategical mind will beat them.
Imagine Firesprays as transports which can leave the concussion bombs to cover their tracks or perform a daring bombing run on an ISD
Well, as easy as it is to maintain a Firespray. It simply is too Big, and underequipped for a nationwide military.
Eh, I'd rather use the gauntlets for bombing and boarding actions. It's probably not too hard to replace a gauntlet class troop bay with a large bombing payload.
I can only imagine that in a post-Rise of Skywalker era there's a bunch of smaller regional factions throughout the galaxy and the Mandalorian Empire led by Grogu or Mirta Gev being one of the factions with the most powerful militaries and most commonly allies with the Galactic Alliance (what I'd call the faction the Resistance and some of their closest allies formed) when it comes to dealing with First Order Remnants and warlords.
This video is perfect to go to sleep after watching it. Not that it is boring but it just to well timed with the time i go to sleep. ( i live in Germany and it is 21:29 dont knew what time it is in your country)
Couple things I would probably consider/change
1. Removing Old Republic era designs I know that they are popular and are the only Mando capital ships we have to go off of but it would be like if the New Republic just started Making Venators again for their fleets after the fall of the empire.
2. As pointed out in the video briefly the Mando's aren't going to have very much manufacturing capability especially if this is during the imperial era and they are isolated from the rest of the galaxy. So it would make a little bit more sense if the Mando's raided old Clone wars storage and scrap yards. This would give them ships of all sizes and variants from both republic and CIS designs to build their fleet out plus throwing in a few open market ships into the mix to fill any gaps.
3. This conversation changes completely if we are talking post empire because then the Mando's would be able to create their industry and use new designs openly without worrying about the empire coming crashing down on them in retaliation.
4. Beskar isn't something they have in enough abundance to just go throwing on ships. If I wanted to incorporate Beskar I would probably go the route of having the Mando's develop an artificial alternative where they can produce as much as they want but it's just not as strong maybe they mix Beskar in with some other form of strong metal. Something along those lines.
What about the Krayt and Kimogila fighters that serve as heavy attack craft?
While I understand the starviper being a possible choice as the std fighter along with the fang. If they want raiding ships that can dish out damage and make it out alive those would seem a far better option as heavy torpedo bomber/ gunship.
A thoughtful Production!
the marauder was also a cruiser that fired diamond boron missiles just like the Broadside-class cruiser kdb-1 so the corvette would only to sub level to the cruiser which can damage multiple ships in a barrage unlike the corvette. to add I do reckon the the mandalorians would have made contact with the Zann consortium who did raid the shipyards of the mandalorians and stole some ship designs but they also had deisgns from the emipre as well like the Vengeance-class frigate and Aggressor-class Star Destroyer and would have provided some heavier support until the mandalorians were ready for a full out fight and the zann consortium was a major power house in the under world of the star wars galaxy.
I like this idea for a mandalorian fleet.
I would love to see a version of Star wars where the Mandalorians weren't destroyed and Thron joins them. With his strategic mind and skills they would've been unstoppable...
What about the fang fighter? Or even the kandosii Dreadnought? And i honestly love the idea of putting beskar armor plates on ships and vehicles besides just infantry.
Increase droid usage to lower the Crew count, Switch out the nuclear warhead for Fusion Rockets. Modernize carrier-based fighters and you're good to go.
I like your video but i have a few issues
1. I think you grossly overestimate the amount of beskar the mandalorians have
2. You are overestimating the mandalorian capability to build maintain and crew large fleets
3. The fleet is missing a few ship types in my opinion mainly frigates carriers and destroyer like ships.
Aside from that good video.
THEY SHALL BE MY SUPER COMMANDOS, AND THEY SHALL KNOW NO FEAR!
Mandalore the Liberator: 15 bby.
I absolutely love the Keldabe Class Battleship as it is the perfect vessel ageanst capital ships I mean come on if your shields are failing just steal energy from your enemy plus not only do you have your heavy turboblasters but you also have mass driver cannons
I would also imagine the Mandalorians would also make use of Corellian designs as well.
As for fighters, I would go with the Fangs, the ability pf the wings to rotate and have the lasers shot from them, would give them a superiority over the TIE fighters
Interesting fleet makeup idea but I believe that a navy without a decent supply of frigates is a very screwed navy. Unfortunately we never see any spacs on any Mandalorian frigates designs though we know they copied some frigate classes from worlds they conquered in the buildup to the Mandalorian Wars. And we never get solid soecs for any Corporate Sector frigates either.
Interceptor frigates are a good choice
Not really. If you go by the Legends stats they barely outgun CR-90s. If you go by the tabletop RPG stats it is even worse. I think the creator of the tabletop RPG syats was deliberately making the Interceptor-IVs suck as much as possible honestly.
honestly I'd sum it up as "Exodia obliterate"
I think there is a rise of mandalorians mod for Star Wars Empire at War RTS game
Do Babylon 5 Earth Alliance fleet doctrine.
I would think it’d be like how the USA navy works; a focus on carriers, bomber and fighter support. If I recall correctly, such a focus is why the EA became a notable power during and after the Dilgar Wars.
I think Minbari or Interstellar Alliance fleet tactics would be better.
this analysis has aged well.
Agree with the choices, but what about the vengeance cruiser? Comparable to a victory sd. Armament makes it a smaller cruiser sized keldabe
How would the Vaygr empire from Homeworld 2 fair in a war with the UNSC Pre-Covenant war?
what did the UNSC ever do to you
Why not use the Fang Class fighter?
Zentradi Fleet tactics please. SDF Macross not Robotech.
you can experience this in the empire at war mod the rise of the Mandalorians
Can you do a video on the tie defender?
I think he has.
What about the Kandosii-class dreadought is a beauty of a ship and very strong. When you let it fight agains the keldabe class in Empire at war the Kandosii wins most of the times
Cool video. Thanks for this!
The mandalorian doctrine: *Big gun make enemy go boom*
you under estimate the mandoloran evessels arlready in excistance..(heavy breathing ..and what sounds like a bong hit )
the fang fighters are a fairly devestating fighter platform , and the gauntlets fighter ...is also an excellent troop carrier..the lancer class puirsuit vessels would make excellent small raiders/ anti fighter platform s etc.. not to forget kimulgula and dune lizards fighters
also ...no mandolore worth there salt would jump at the oppurtunity to build a modern as big as a super star destoyer version of a kandosi class dreadnaught...escorted by by the kildaubi 's and crusaders ...mirader what ?:lol
I am not sure where you got this . Mandalore was a ghetto planet with a devastated surface that could barley support itself and nearly got taken over by a bunch of pirates . If barley had any resources
Great video. Would be great to see. Maybe someone will make an empire at war mod...
So… the Zann Consortium then?
The Cabur Fighter would work well as a bomber too.
What would Thrawn think of this doctrine I wonder
Thrawn would probably go in with interdictor frigates, escorted by Tartan Cruisers and broadside cruisers. Against Commandos he'd use noghri commandos, as well as various Elite stormtrooper units. Against Infantry, he'd use the "duchess"-prototypes, while against canderous tanks, anything with shield breaking weapons would do. To Bad, the Empire doesn't have much of those units.
I suppose TX-130 Saber Tanks are good enough for that Job,given their superior speed.
@@biggsdarklighter0473 that would be Thrawn but I was wondering how he would rate this Mandalorian doctrine
@@GamerX-lc9ht flexible, fast Guerilla Style warfare fleets.
Bes'kar has not been used in ship construction for a very long time, and even then it's just the outer hold plating, and that itself is heck of expensive, money and time, not just the bes'kar, plus the needed nr. of smiths to make it happen is pretty hard to come by, and trading it is no go, that thing sis holy to them, their skills on the other hand, are different matter,
Not have a fleet for thousands of years but sill makes battleships for everyone else.
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It's called Business...
Add boarding torpedoes to mix and you good to go.
Dude, mandos with jetpacks are boarding Torpedos. Only point in having those would be if the enemy has no point-defense, doesn't move away from a preplanned course and they need a Base to rearm.
I checked the ship list on the video and there were no Fang fighters those are the mandalorians fleet best fighters
0:56 NOOO what is “Chora-Scant” 🥵
I'm not sure if he said corasaunt or an acient sith planet
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Cool
Star Wars has some really nice ship designs so it's a shame that imperial ships are so lame looking.
The Mandalorians as pacifists? What nonsense
Candorus would be disappointed
Peace is just halftime for war.
No love for the aggressor... much sad
Aggressors are deeply vulnerable to fighter attacks and their firing for their Main guns is smaller than the AT-AT's. They'd probably get in exactly one Salvo before being overwhelmed by enemy fighters/bombers.
@@biggsdarklighter0473 You assume that it would be alone, give it support craft and a fighter escort and it would be able to 1 tap enemy carriers before they are able to launch all their fighers and bombers.
"Thriving urban planet"... with half the population of New York... in total for the whole planet...
There are so many things that are messed up in the old Star Wars lore :/
Might be right according to lore, only consistency here is that Mandalorians were in a sorry state after the Empire got in there.
If you take the Battle of Geonosis to be any indication, the initial numbers for the Clone Army were around 1.2 million clone units at the start of the Clone Wars, at least five million more ordered later, with official sources citing a full army size of 3.2 million at one point. For a conflict that was supposed to span the entire galaxy. Contrast to the stated crew complements of an Imperial I-class, and multiply that by the number of Imperial I Star Destroyers stated to exist, and you get 1.169 BILLION serving members of the Imperial military based on Imperial I Star Destroyer crew complements alone and assuming all those ships have full crews.
I don't know if Star Wars was ever realistic when it comes to military sizes. Even Death Stars had a very small number of personnel relative to their size and volume.
@@Catalyst375 to be fair on the clone issue I do think that it's meant to be that the clones are fighting the important battles and that the local planetary forces handle smaller fights in less important areas
@@sammywhite5127 Still... 6.5-ish million clones?
Meanwhile, the German Army in WWII had 13.6 million soldiers...
And the Soviet army was 34+ million strong...
But sure, 6.5 million is fine for fighting a galaxy spanning war 8)
I know the "local forces" argument, but compared to real life numbers, it's pretty dumb, even with local forces included.
@@Oddball_E8 I'm not saying it isn't still way too small and number I'm just saying there's a little bit of leeway there
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>Sees pacifist Mandos
Thanks, Faloni. You ruined a warlike culture by making them pacifists, the literal antithesis of what they are
well how dare he make a one note warrior culture more complex and nuanced, it's almost as if he actually is good at what he's doing.
@@freshFerdinand are you seriously saying the previous interpretations of The mandalorians are OneNote and lack nuance, especially compared to the TCW "war bad, peace good" mandalorians those guys are the most OneNote nuance lacking things I have ever seen, not to mention the fact they're so out of whack with every other interpretation that we ever seen of the mandalorians that I genuinely cannot think of a way that you can reasonably consider it part of the same canon
@@sammywhite5127 Exactly
@@freshFerdinand TCW turned them all into blond hair blue-eyed Aryans. Turned the lush life filled planet of Mandalore into a white sheet of ash with boring domes and uniform modernist buildings. Wiped out the original cultural identity of the Mandalorians, the identity that allowed them to carve out their homeworld and make a mark across the galaxy, into something to be shamed and forgotten because of a few elites. Not to mention actively rewriting canon with having a duchess ruling instead of Mandalore, moving the capital, turning the planet into a dust bowl, and making Jango and Boba Fett the progenators of everything Mandalorian not Mandalorian is stupid.
@@Tracer_Krieg X""D
You didn't create anything if you are suggesting they bring back exactly what they previously had. And your info was not very accurate at all.
Soooooo, they become the Zan Consortium??