Those look nice, very nice. I also like the white on black, which I think is much easier to read than the red ones. Alright back to my coffee, have a great weekend and looking forward to your grand opening video in the new shop....
Thanks so much Pat! Coffee sounds excellent right now, I'm going to go make myself a cup ! I have a shop organization video coming out on Tuesday, that is one of my first steps into getting my shop usable. Thanks as always for watching Pat, and enjoy your weekend!
I didn't notice any damage, and if it did do damage I would suspect it is from my lack of skills! :) I did notice a little bit of damage to the chisel saw guide, but that was also due to me not having the appropriate saw and the teeth rubbing against the metal when my cut wasn't completely straight. Excellent question! You know right after I filmed this video, I saw my damn japanese pull saw staring right at me on the top of one of my storage containers! :(
Are you SURE you didn't use to be a teacher? Your videos are crisp, easy to understand, and enjoyable to watch. Could I pay you to teach me physics, calculus, and biochemistry? 😅
Haha! You are too kind skippylippy! I would love to teach you physics calculus and biochemistry.... just one problem, I'm going to need someone to teach me those subjects first! :) Thanks as always for watching, really appreciate it!
Great find Mr Flynndogg and thorough demo of these layout and guide tools! I love Black "high contrast" tools for the tools I have to read with old eyes! Now for tools I don't read the uglier and brighter is what I pick for locating easier on my busy benches! Magnetic fence who knew, great design? Are those teflon coated, did they are you mention how long that would last? Checking the scales between the tools as applicable to also check a companies detail to accuracy and quality. Great find and thanks for sharing!
Great questions lespaulguitar man! I like the black and white contrast too. Really easy to read. I don't know about the teflon coating, that is something I will need to research. Great point on checking to see if the company has a tolerance for their accuracy that is another thing I want to look into. Thanks for your great questions, and thanks so much for watching!
Appreciate your honest, informative, accurate, tool assesments and finding these alternative cost effective tools. Options are great to have, when you have to spread the funds for hobby /dyi work! Hope to see a project designed and made for Layla the new shop dog! Thanks! @@FlynndoggWoodwork
Great video! I've been looking to get better tools the last few years. I've been leaning towards the iGaging layout and bench squares, but I keep eyeballing the Woodraphics products. I appreciate you showcasing their products!
Oh nice! I just did a video on the Igaging as well! Both are very comparable. I really like the scribing tool from woodraphic as well as the double square from igaging. Everything I've seen from both companies is high quality!
Thanks so much Mikey! I actually did a tour a couple of weeks ago, but it was bear boned. I need to continue to work on it so it is more usuable! :) Thanks so much for watching!
Interesting that you only had a flush trim saw available for testing the magnetic saw guide, its teeth don't have a set, unlike most regular saws which would be blunted in no time as soon as their teeth scrape against the side of the guide.
Well, the flush trim saw was advertised as a flush trim saw but it is a harbor freight one and I don't ever use this one on flush trimming as it does have the teeth bet out and scars up my wood every time I've tried to use it as a flush trim saw. Excellent point though and thanks for sharing and watching secobaairways.
Those guides will get wrecked before any saw will; I say half a dozen cuts and you no longer have the precision you think you do. I don’t see why a woodworker would need such a tool in the first place, it’s like the most basic jig you can make out of hardwood. Unlike this soon-to-be-useless overpriced piece of metal you can true up your shop made guides using a disk sander as many times as you need. And magnets only get in the way, just bend the saw against the Guiding surface
Good to have an alternative for the budget conscious. I love how they aren’t just straight up copying woodpecker. I draw the line on the fake red woodpecker knockoff from China.
Been using Woodraphic measuring tools for years and I have never had a problem. These are made in South Korea and the quality is as good if not better then some USA-made measuring tools.
I wonder if those are sold under different names because they look very similar to a new line at Busy Bee in Canada. A little off topic but I have the same electrical cord reel and it is excellent.
Interesting, I'm going to check out that Busy Bee brand, never heard of it before! :) Thanks for sharing. Love that electrical reel. Works excellent! Thanks for watching Aaron!
Have you tried the magnetic tools yet with a saw that has some set to it? I've always wondered how well they hold up, or would the saw's teeth end up damaging it? Also, have you tried any iGaging tools? I have a couple and have been very pleased so far.
Great questions Eric, the saw I used in the video had some set to it and actually did scratch it up a bit, So I won't be using that type of saw with it. Too funny that you mentioned Igaging tools. I'm in the process of thinking about doing a video on them. They look really nice!
I love Woodraphic tools, and as we always say, “square is square.” Buy one precision square to compare all your others to, and if they are square to it, guess what? They are square! I will never pay $180 for a square… not a chance! To this day, my go to is my Starret combination square. Other than that, I grab my Woodraphic tools. They are dead-on-balls accurate, and like you said, they are half the price of the Woodpeckers.
I find it hard to even pay woodraphic prices. I'll take my $30 benchmark square any day lol I'm here to make money. Some of even woodraphic tools are as much as 1/4 my mortgage
THank you so much for sharing Tim! I would love to have a starret combination square that is one tool that I would pay a little extra money for. Love that you have woodraphic and have been pleased with it! Thanks for watching!
No, I wasn't saying that all squares are created equally. I was saying that you should have at least one good square in your arsenal to check all other squares against. Even if it's a cheap Harbor Freight square, it it's square, it's square. Same as any other measuring tool. I have at least half a dozen measuring tapes in my shop. Most are the small Hart ones from Walmart. I have a Stanley that I've used for at least 15 years. When I tried my first Hart, I compared it to my Stanley... it was perfect. I have bought many more since, and compared them all against the Stanley as well... they are all exactly the same. So, I could also say that 12" is 12", no matter what tape you use. Of course, some guys would disagree with that too, since they are convinced that a half-used pencil is 12" long. ✏🤨@@dicksonnakatoshi
These tools look good, but half of very expensive is still expensive. In Britain, the magnetic saw guide is £35 - for what is essentially a piece of angled metal with magnets; they must be making huge profit on such items.
You know, I was going to to mention something about that as well, Thank you for saying that. these tools still aren't cheap, but cheaper. Thank you for saying this, I think it is a very valid point! Thanks for watchign Jaquesaulait!
That multi tool thingy has a vernier scale on it! 1/128" accuracy is damn nice. Dunno why it hasn't been done before on a WW tool. Very handy for checking router/saw heights.
Interesting, I’m not sure I am familiar with what you are talking about. I wonder if they have refurbished squares available? I’m going to have to research this one!
Another good video. As several commenters have already pointed out, they’re still pretty pricey. Have you tried any of the other dovetail marking / guide jigs? Johnathan Katz-Moses also sells them for $36 with magnets. When you watch the masters layout and cut them by hand, it’s like magic. I definitely am going to give it a shot, they just look amazing.
Oh yes! That is one that I saw first! I would love to try out Jonathans jig. I’m sure it is a great option. I’ve seen s a few videos where he has done some dovetail work and he is amazing. Love his work! Thank you so much for watching and sharing Michael!
Do you get any customer service with that imported stuff? After a few years should your tools get damaged will the seller repair their stuff? If you bought it from Amazon I doubt it. I've sent several items back to Woodpeckers and they were always repaired . . . No charge.
Good to know Teddy! I would hope that that would be the case with woodpeckers. If they do that then I have a couple that i need to send to them. Many of my aluminum squares have dents in them from dropping them. Thanks for sharing and watchign Teddy!
That is too funny! It really is pretty nice. But I get it, I have tons of stuff sitting on my wish list that I haven't pulled the trigger on yet! Thanks for watching Lucy!
Great video, thanks for the info! Maybe I'll break down and buy them instead of using the picture of the square that I cut out of the Harbor Frieght flyer!! Blessings!!!
Haha! Who knew it was that easy! Now I’m going to save those darn harbor freight catalogs. I wonder if it works for their saws! :). Thanks for watching
Fantastic video. While I love the finish and accuracy of Woodpecker, I cannot find it in myself to spend the money on them so I'm always looking for alternatives.
Thanks so much Russ! This brand really has been a great alternative for me. I don't have any affiliation with them, but if they ever reached out, I wouldn't hesitate at this point as they really are making some quality tools! Thanks for watching and commenting!
You're really doing a hell of a job twisting my arm on these WoodRaphic tools. The only thing left to completely sell me on them, is to see how they measure up to brands like Woodpeckers, and Starrett, meaning putting one ruler up to another brand ruler, and see how accurate the WoodRaphic tools really are..
Haha! Stay tuned PaganWizard! I'm actually thinking about doing a tool showdown in the near future. I also have a video coming out in a week or two that takes a look at an even another brand that I think is a decent alternative. The jury is still out though as I haven't tested the brand yet. Thanks so much for commenting and watching! :)
Great video, and I’m starting to like Woodraphic and I’m about to order one of their squares. But, let’s talk about what we mean about precision first. I have several measuring tools, rulers, squares, machinist squares, so on. EVERY measuring tool I get I first put side by side to almost every measuring tool I have and I can attest that EVERY tool I own IS PRECISE, in that an inch is an inch, and a sixteenth is a sixteenth on every tool! Sounds like all my inexpensive tools are precise! But are they square? Yes, they are square too, or I have made them square. The only thing we really need to worry about is square! And if all my cheap tools are square and an inch is an inch is an inch, then why would I need to spend 150.00 on a measuring tool? The answer is, I don’t.
I know, It is a little ridiculous how much many of these companies are charging these days. I don't think I would buy many of my woodpeckers again with the great alternatives available our there these days. If you are getting woodraphic, i would highly recommend the m4. I use that little guy more than any of them! Thansk so much for watching and sharing William!
Nice but still too expensive. Their carpenter square for framing is $70. Crazy. Creating an accurate 45 with a laser cutting machine is a no brainer. All these companies are over charging. I’ve checked all my squares and they’re all spot on. They’re either from Home Depot or Amazon.
I hear you doc145. I agree with you, the woodraphic still aren't cheap. I have a couple empires as well, that are dead square and do what they need too. Just wish they had those little holes for scribing lines, but with the combination square I can always adjust it. But I hear you, still very expensive!
Thank you so much Andrew! Still learning this whole youtube thing. I never know what is funny to people or not. Sometimes people get offended but if it makes me laugh I usually include it. Thanks for watching and commenting! :)
THanks so much Kenneth! I appreciate that. Still trying to figure out exactly what my style is, but I think I'm getting closer. Thanks so much for watchign and commenting!
The Woodraphic tools appear to be nice and I'll consider them for my next purchase. However, it's unfair to compare the Woodpecker 1282 12" square with Woodraphic's 12" square without also noting that the Woodpecker has a stainless steel blade and the Woodraphic's blade is aluminium. Using stainless steel allows Woodpecker's blade to be only 1/16" thick, reducing the chance of parallax error. Woodraphic's aluminium blade is not only less durable, it's thicker -- making it harder to read accurately. Besides, when I checked Woodpecker's website just now, the list price of the 1282 is $140, not the $180 mentioned in the video. The Woodpecker square is still $50 more than the Woodraphic, but it's NOT double the price of the Woodraphic as stated in the video.
Excellent point DKwaiser on the paralax! I had forgotten about that, thanks for reminding me again. I guess the paralax wouldn’t be that much of an issue if you were using the scribing holes though as you would have a positive point to reference versus your eyes, but get point. Glad to see woodpeckers is come down a bit in the price, I suspect it won’t be for long. I feel like they run a lot of short promotions on their tools that decrease the price for a short period of time. Thanks again for bringing up the paralax!
Been watching your progress from afar, well, Chicago but still-nice to see. Happy for you in terms of growing viewers and subscribers and especially getting your shop done for this winter. But-if you don’t get your kids off the scaffold and dropping the tools into your hands, I’m going to call DCFS :)
Haha! I love it, I literally laughed out loud! You should see all my outtakes of my misses. Lots of cussing and dropped boxes! THank you so much for watching ericer, and stay warm this winter in the Windy City!
Dogg, man, more small stuff? Come on, you're killing us. We're wasting time and money. Lathe, lathe, lathe!!! I'm still saving up for the Paolini Pocket Rule. Don't make us get a lathe before you. Of course, this is months away as I, the Meat, am still rehabing this dang shoulder. The meatballs in the shop aren't worthy of a lathe until I can use it first. Did you say, " sticking your lead into a tiny hole?"
:). You are soooo right on me wasting my money on these tiny little tools! :). I will get that lathe eventually, just so much to clean out before I think about getting any new big tools for a bit. Also need to get a CNC at some point! :)
@@FlynndoggWoodwork Dogg, man, come on...CNC is for punks. Heck you've got every router in the book; you say you want to get into hand work and now you're going to buy a CNC?...Heck you have a thousand chisels and files and everything else you need to make real cool projects, that could be done by CNC, also; but, is it craftsmanship to have a machine do for you what you can do for yourself? Buck the trend, be a man 9use your hands)...Be the Dogg, man! (As always, we wish you the best and whatever you get to make your wood working fun profitable...do it.)
@@themeat5053 You are probably right meat! The only think I would use it for is templates anyway.... Plus they take up too much damn space. I've always got that shaper I guess if I need one! :)
Besides the price, I never liked Woodpecker's "Disney vault" scare tactics to hurry up and buy, before it goes away. If they can't keep producing, then offer less variety.
Oh yeah, I assume you are talking abou their one time tools. You can usually find those well after they are made in short runs. In fact I think the paolini pocket rule was a one time tool at one point. Thanks for sharing and watchign embwee!
Saw guides are nice and I have used them a time or two. But if you really want to get into hand tool woodworking, ignore the guides. Cut just off your knife line and use a shooting board to square up the ends. Even your best miter saw and table saw will never square up an edge as well as a shooting board.
Love it, thank you so much for the suggestion lanceyohe! I would like to try and build a shooting board this year. It's been on my list for some time. Thank you so much for sharing and watching!
All these tools are still overpriced. If you can purchase a good machinist square for under $20.. are you telling me it cost $70+ to put a few holes in, powdercoat and mark ruler lines? If a cheap square is square, it has met its purpose in life. Period.
I don't disagree. Really hard to find woodworking tools like this at big box store prices. Thanks for watching tpsooner, I'm keeping my eyes out even better deals!
I’m sorry but even those price are absurd. I can buy machinist or drafting piece for less and just as accurate. Might not be all fancy dancy but. Will do the job.
I know, it's kind of like perfumes, or any luxury item for that matter. You can set the price at whatever you want, and consumers get a perceived value from it. Not saying woodpeckers isn't quality but I think their prices are too high.
Dude. Compare the square to Woodpeckers 1282 at the 3:10 mark. They are both 12” long. Comparing to a 6” square and saying your product is longer makes no sense. They both have scribe holes. They both have lips. Besides price what else is different?
@@FlynndoggWoodwork Thank you for your reply … and your enthusiasm is great!11. Yes, you did mention the 1282 at the start. Yes, I see the 1281 in the shot at the 2:53 mark. But you compared with a 642 square. My suggestion is to do an apples-to-apples comparison with a 1282. Perhaps your point is that the 642 costs $100 or about the same as the 12” square you are comparing it to.
@@mark2talk2u yeah, that probably would have been a better idea... just don't have the 1282. Kind of the reason why I got the M12. didn't want to fork out that much cash for that thing! :)
It's related to the strength of the US dollar and the size of the market there. Tools in the US are usually around 1/4 to 1/3 the price we pay. Plus shipping. And then sales tax. @@FlynndoggWoodwork
Why are woodpeckers tools outside the budget for most woodworkers ? I don’t think because you are a woodworker that you cannot afford to buy an expensive tool.
Well, not everyone has unlimited budgets of course, and a lot of people are hesitant to spend hundreds of dollars on a measuring device. I know I was when I first started out. But I think most people begin to realize that money is usually well spent. Good point and thanks for watching Brian
Because the only thing there is general agreement on is money. As you know, that is what it is for. So one has to be careful about just flashing high end tools without bowing to the fact that listeners may be offended. I gather that in the US there were 400 new billionaires during COVID. There are plenty of people out there who could buy every tool Bridge City makes, they used to offer that as a deal. However, it also becomes a potential admission that one does not know what one is doing with wood. I could collect them, just because, but it would be like collecting Hummel, no connection to reality.
Most of that stuff looks pretty pointless. It isn't that accurate if it depends on dots for pencils, or alignments with the edge of a board. It is still really expensive, and sorta pseudo metal working standards of accuracy, while not using the methods for measuring that metal working uses. Metal working and woodworking use high degrees of accuracy, but they are achieved in different ways. One of the winning moves for WWII manufacturing was that Ford got Jorgenson blocks out of Norway (?), before the war, and this allowed the allies to build parts to a standard where manufacturing could be distributed, yet everything would fit together. Unless you are Ikea, you could care less. So highly accurate squares and references surfaces are used so your pal can build the sides of your dovetail drawer, and when he brings them to your shop, he can fit them perfectly to your previously built drawer front. Oh, wait a second, that isn't a thing. So when one sees a lot of fancy squares, and promises of hyper accuracy, but based not on reference surfaces, but crap like woodpecker, someone got snowed. Not to say there is anything wrong with pretty tools, and expensive tools, but it is based on a fundamental misunderstanding of how woodwork is made. And there isn't just one way. Furniture is made differently than timber frames. Understanding the basics really helps. Of course one does need a square. If it is a Woodpecker one, that is just dandy. I prefer ones made of wood, and I rarely use markings, but it won't hurt your woodworking to use a WP square, if you know how to do woodworking layout. I started adult woodworking about 1980. At the time, Germans still had an apprenticeship system for solid woodworking, as I believe they still do. And unlike places like LV that sold 6 in metal working squares (cheap and useful), the German companies still sold blank wooden squares, and it wasn't because they had so much to learn from us... So yeah, I love anodized black aluminum... Fishing reels... But if you aren't comfortable working with a blank wooden square you may not understand how this stuff is really done. You can still do it with your fancy tools, they are a joy to behold.
Great video. Happy to hear you are going to do some hand woodworking. On one of your deep dives in Google, find us some quality hand planes that won't break the bank. And which, say 3, are the most important to purchase first. I really do appreciate your enthusiasm and great content. Thank you!
Jointer, bench and block. However, if might be different if you did some specialty activity like making bows. Cheapest is to make your own. It is hard to get the "real" wood. However, maple makes great planes, even if beech is better. Back around 1980 when this stuff was really exploding I taught a course at LV on Krenov planes, which are just an option that most people can make. I timed how long it took me to make one, assuming I had found all the necessary tools and had a reasonable source of wood to hand (but not to the level of a kit). Takes 45 minutes. That is to the first cut, but one can spend as much time as one wants, carving and finishing. That presupposes access to a bandsaw. woodworking has to start somewhere. I went through the whole thing of starting with nothing, and it was tough. That isn't how it worked traditionally. You would probably learn in a shop. From the 80s to 2000, we really didn't have access to real tools, particularly handsaws. All that has changed. If you can find second hand planes then stanley or record can be good. My first jointer was a Record 07, and I still use it. But they weigh 7 or 9 pounds, where a wooden plane weighs 2 in the same size, and is very slippery on the wood. I am not a big fan of antique planes, there is usually something wrong with them. Short blade, cracks, mixed parts, but your local market may be different than mine. Anything by Lee Valley is pretty good. Obviously Lee Nielsen, but expensive. If you are smaller in stature you might want a number 3, as a bench plane. A lot of big people like the 4, or the wide 4. But the weight may be too much. Some people buy a middling plane like a 5, and use it for everything, however, that is going to be pretty heavy. Some places sell reconditioned Stanley planes at less than new prices, and there are some premium Asian planes. But I have no experience with those. Wooden block planes are not my favourite, unless they are Japanese, and hard to save money there. My favourites, and in my case worth saving up for, are: The lie nielsen 102, and the Veritas Low Angle Block plane. Always get low angle block planes. I can do without block planes, doing without spokeshaves would be harder for me.
Thank you so much Polly! I would love to check out some new hand planes. I feel like I’m still in the process of learning how to use them correctly though. Maybe after I get just a little more experience! :). Thanks for watching!
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Finally someone made a video of my favorite and underrated brand
That's awesome, I'm glad I'm not the only one loving these tools. Thanks for watchign and commenting 94Toyota! :)
Those look nice, very nice. I also like the white on black, which I think is much easier to read than the red ones. Alright back to my coffee, have a great weekend and looking forward to your grand opening video in the new shop....
Thanks so much Pat! Coffee sounds excellent right now, I'm going to go make myself a cup ! I have a shop organization video coming out on Tuesday, that is one of my first steps into getting my shop usable. Thanks as always for watching Pat, and enjoy your weekend!
Great videos. Thanks for keeping wood working a bit light hearted.
My pleasure Raymond! I'm glad you like the light heartedness. That's how I like to live my life, so why not have a little fun with woodowrking! :)
Thanks for a alternative to woodpecker
You’re so welcome Ron! Thanks for watching!
Great options, thank you for sharing. Everyone stay safe, warm, happy and healthy. Now make some sawdust. From Henrico County Virginia
Thanks so much much for watching norm! Stay safe, warm, happy and healthy yourself! :)
Thank you for shining some light on the Woodraphic brand. How much damage did that flush trim saw do to the plastic coating on the dovetail jig?
I didn't notice any damage, and if it did do damage I would suspect it is from my lack of skills! :) I did notice a little bit of damage to the chisel saw guide, but that was also due to me not having the appropriate saw and the teeth rubbing against the metal when my cut wasn't completely straight. Excellent question! You know right after I filmed this video, I saw my damn japanese pull saw staring right at me on the top of one of my storage containers! :(
Are you SURE you didn't use to be a teacher?
Your videos are crisp, easy to understand, and enjoyable to watch.
Could I pay you to teach me physics, calculus, and biochemistry? 😅
Haha! You are too kind skippylippy! I would love to teach you physics calculus and biochemistry.... just one problem, I'm going to need someone to teach me those subjects first! :) Thanks as always for watching, really appreciate it!
Great find Mr Flynndogg and thorough demo of these layout and guide tools! I love Black "high contrast" tools for the tools I have to read with old eyes! Now for tools I don't read the uglier and brighter is what I pick for locating easier on my busy benches! Magnetic fence who knew, great design? Are those teflon coated, did they are you mention how long that would last? Checking the scales between the tools as applicable to also check a companies detail to accuracy and quality. Great find and thanks for sharing!
Great questions lespaulguitar man! I like the black and white contrast too. Really easy to read. I don't know about the teflon coating, that is something I will need to research. Great point on checking to see if the company has a tolerance for their accuracy that is another thing I want to look into. Thanks for your great questions, and thanks so much for watching!
Appreciate your honest, informative, accurate, tool assesments and finding these alternative cost effective tools. Options are great to have, when you have to spread the funds for hobby /dyi work! Hope to see a project designed and made for Layla the new shop dog! Thanks! @@FlynndoggWoodwork
This is my kinda video, quality alternative tools for a hobbyist like me and some great jokes!
Haha! Thank you so much Founderof4! I appreciate you watching and have a great weekend!
Great video! I've been looking to get better tools the last few years. I've been leaning towards the iGaging layout and bench squares, but I keep eyeballing the Woodraphics products. I appreciate you showcasing their products!
Oh nice! I just did a video on the Igaging as well! Both are very comparable. I really like the scribing tool from woodraphic as well as the double square from igaging. Everything I've seen from both companies is high quality!
Yes Sir, I saw that video also! I might end buying all of them 😂😂😂
@@davidshearer567 Awesome! They are both great, so you can't go wrong! :)
Great video. Will have to take a look at this company.
Thanks so much Bill! I appreciate you watching! :)
Thanks for the info. I, too, am a little scared of Woodpeckers prices. Looking forward to seeing more from you and seeing a tour of the new shop.
Thanks so much Mikey! I actually did a tour a couple of weeks ago, but it was bear boned. I need to continue to work on it so it is more usuable! :) Thanks so much for watching!
Nice video...informative. Thanks for posting.
My pleasure distortedodin! I appreciate you watching and commenting. Have a great weekend!
Interesting that you only had a flush trim saw available for testing the magnetic saw guide, its teeth don't have a set, unlike most regular saws which would be blunted in no time as soon as their teeth scrape against the side of the guide.
Well, the flush trim saw was advertised as a flush trim saw but it is a harbor freight one and I don't ever use this one on flush trimming as it does have the teeth bet out and scars up my wood every time I've tried to use it as a flush trim saw. Excellent point though and thanks for sharing and watching secobaairways.
Those guides will get wrecked before any saw will; I say half a dozen cuts and you no longer have the precision you think you do. I don’t see why a woodworker would need such a tool in the first place, it’s like the most basic jig you can make out of hardwood. Unlike this soon-to-be-useless overpriced piece of metal you can true up your shop made guides using a disk sander as many times as you need. And magnets only get in the way, just bend the saw against the Guiding surface
@@nocandopdx Thanks for sharing your thoughts nocandopdx! I appreciate it!
@@FlynndoggWoodwork of course
Your videos are always a source of valuable information. I'm excited try the tools you show, and I appreciate you making this video. Keep it up! 😁😁😁
Thanks so much and thanks for watching!
"good luck with the future ride spaceman"....still one of my favorite characters that Seth Green plays.
Haha! I know right, I used that clip in a video a while back too funny! Thanks for watching Nathan!
Good to have an alternative for the budget conscious. I love how they aren’t just straight up copying woodpecker. I draw the line on the fake red woodpecker knockoff from China.
Oh I agree there are a lot of those out there. They fact that they are black helps too! :) THanks for watching Michael!
Been using Woodraphic measuring tools for years and I have never had a problem. These are made in South Korea and the quality is as good if not better then some USA-made measuring tools.
Like to hear it Zamboni! Thanks for sharing and watching. No go clean some ice! :)
I wonder if those are sold under different names because they look very similar to a new line at Busy Bee in Canada. A little off topic but I have the same electrical cord reel and it is excellent.
Interesting, I'm going to check out that Busy Bee brand, never heard of it before! :) Thanks for sharing. Love that electrical reel. Works excellent! Thanks for watching Aaron!
Have you tried the magnetic tools yet with a saw that has some set to it? I've always wondered how well they hold up, or would the saw's teeth end up damaging it?
Also, have you tried any iGaging tools? I have a couple and have been very pleased so far.
Great questions Eric, the saw I used in the video had some set to it and actually did scratch it up a bit, So I won't be using that type of saw with it. Too funny that you mentioned Igaging tools. I'm in the process of thinking about doing a video on them. They look really nice!
"... there's a rubber on the back that gives it a grip once you press it up against your wood." 😂
Oh man, I hate it when I have missed opportunities like that! :) Thanks for watchign Don! :)
I love Woodraphic tools, and as we always say, “square is square.” Buy one precision square to compare all your others to, and if they are square to it, guess what? They are square! I will never pay $180 for a square… not a chance! To this day, my go to is my Starret combination square. Other than that, I grab my Woodraphic tools. They are dead-on-balls accurate, and like you said, they are half the price of the Woodpeckers.
I find it hard to even pay woodraphic prices. I'll take my $30 benchmark square any day lol I'm here to make money. Some of even woodraphic tools are as much as 1/4 my mortgage
THank you so much for sharing Tim! I would love to have a starret combination square that is one tool that I would pay a little extra money for. Love that you have woodraphic and have been pleased with it! Thanks for watching!
If you own a starret than you know that square isn’t square and all squares aren’t created equal
No, I wasn't saying that all squares are created equally. I was saying that you should have at least one good square in your arsenal to check all other squares against. Even if it's a cheap Harbor Freight square, it it's square, it's square. Same as any other measuring tool. I have at least half a dozen measuring tapes in my shop. Most are the small Hart ones from Walmart. I have a Stanley that I've used for at least 15 years. When I tried my first Hart, I compared it to my Stanley... it was perfect. I have bought many more since, and compared them all against the Stanley as well... they are all exactly the same. So, I could also say that 12" is 12", no matter what tape you use. Of course, some guys would disagree with that too, since they are convinced that a half-used pencil is 12" long. ✏🤨@@dicksonnakatoshi
@@timdoyon1964 oic I mis read you haha.
Awesome review brother. - Your newest fan. 👍🏾
Thanks so much thegoodfigth! I appreciate it and thanks for watching! :)
Ty for showing good tools at a more affordable price range
My pleasure! I really enjoy trying to dig up new tools. Kind of like a treasure hunt! :) Thanks for watching unclepewter!
Love my woodraphic tools. Been using them for a few years now.
That's great to hear woodworkingwarrior. Hopefully I'll be using my for years to come! Thanks for commenting and watchign!
These tools look good, but half of very expensive is still expensive. In Britain, the magnetic saw guide is £35 - for what is essentially a piece of angled metal with magnets; they must be making huge profit on such items.
You know, I was going to to mention something about that as well, Thank you for saying that. these tools still aren't cheap, but cheaper. Thank you for saying this, I think it is a very valid point! Thanks for watchign Jaquesaulait!
They seem like quality tools!
Yessir! I've been very pleased with them so far! Thanks for watching as usual Mike!
Great video as always definitely going to check these tools out thanks for sharing. Can’t wait to see new shop all set up so happy for you.
Thanks so much Jim! I appreciate it as always. Thanks for watching and have a great weekend!
Are the woodraphic tools Aluminum or Steel bladed? If AL... would be more appropriate to compare apples to apples with woodpeckers AL line.
Great question, the blades are aluminum. Thanks for watching David!
That multi tool thingy has a vernier scale on it! 1/128" accuracy is damn nice. Dunno why it hasn't been done before on a WW tool. Very handy for checking router/saw heights.
e.g. @ 5:36 "You can see it's just over an inch". No, from here I can see that it's 1 & 2/128" 😄
You have better eyes than me! :) THanks for making me smile!:) Thanks for watching and commenting EscapeMCP!
Nice video as usual. What is the difference between regular marking gauge and marking gauge marked (new) on amazon?
Interesting, I’m not sure I am familiar with what you are talking about. I wonder if they have refurbished squares available? I’m going to have to research this one!
@@FlynndoggWoodwork I followed your amazon link for Multigauge and i see for 8 inch model there are 2 listed. one is marked (New)
@@AlexK07010 I did reach out to them they said they are aware of it, I guess they are having some stocking issues... Not sure what that means.
@@FlynndoggWoodwork thank you for following up
Another good video. As several commenters have already pointed out, they’re still pretty pricey. Have you tried any of the other dovetail marking / guide jigs? Johnathan Katz-Moses also sells them for $36 with magnets. When you watch the masters layout and cut them by hand, it’s like magic. I definitely am going to give it a shot, they just look amazing.
Oh yes! That is one that I saw first! I would love to try out Jonathans jig. I’m sure it is a great option. I’ve seen s a few videos where he has done some dovetail work and he is amazing. Love his work! Thank you so much for watching and sharing Michael!
Do you get any customer service with that imported stuff? After a few years should your tools get damaged will the seller repair their stuff? If you bought it from Amazon I doubt it. I've sent several items back to Woodpeckers and they were always repaired . . . No charge.
Good to know Teddy! I would hope that that would be the case with woodpeckers. If they do that then I have a couple that i need to send to them. Many of my aluminum squares have dents in them from dropping them. Thanks for sharing and watchign Teddy!
that Woodraphic multi gauge has been in my Amazon wish list for like 2 years 😂
That is too funny! It really is pretty nice. But I get it, I have tons of stuff sitting on my wish list that I haven't pulled the trigger on yet! Thanks for watching Lucy!
Thanks!!!
Thanks for watching!
I love my woodraphic tools!
Me too! Thanks so much for watching and commenting Jakobkowley!
Great video, thanks for the info! Maybe I'll break down and buy them instead of using the picture of the square that I cut out of the Harbor Frieght flyer!! Blessings!!!
Haha! Who knew it was that easy! Now I’m going to save those darn harbor freight catalogs. I wonder if it works for their saws! :). Thanks for watching
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Thank you for watching Donald!
Fantastic video. While I love the finish and accuracy of Woodpecker, I cannot find it in myself to spend the money on them so I'm always looking for alternatives.
Amen.
Thanks so much Russ! This brand really has been a great alternative for me. I don't have any affiliation with them, but if they ever reached out, I wouldn't hesitate at this point as they really are making some quality tools! Thanks for watching and commenting!
You're really doing a hell of a job twisting my arm on these WoodRaphic tools. The only thing left to completely sell me on them, is to see how they measure up to brands like Woodpeckers, and Starrett, meaning putting one ruler up to another brand ruler, and see how accurate the WoodRaphic tools really are..
Haha! Stay tuned PaganWizard! I'm actually thinking about doing a tool showdown in the near future. I also have a video coming out in a week or two that takes a look at an even another brand that I think is a decent alternative. The jury is still out though as I haven't tested the brand yet. Thanks so much for commenting and watching! :)
Great video, and I’m starting to like Woodraphic and I’m about to order one of their squares. But, let’s talk about what we mean about precision first. I have several measuring tools, rulers, squares, machinist squares, so on. EVERY measuring tool I get I first put side by side to almost every measuring tool I have and I can attest that EVERY tool I own IS PRECISE, in that an inch is an inch, and a sixteenth is a sixteenth on every tool! Sounds like all my inexpensive tools are precise! But are they square? Yes, they are square too, or I have made them square. The only thing we really need to worry about is square! And if all my cheap tools are square and an inch is an inch is an inch, then why would I need to spend 150.00 on a measuring tool? The answer is, I don’t.
I know, It is a little ridiculous how much many of these companies are charging these days. I don't think I would buy many of my woodpeckers again with the great alternatives available our there these days. If you are getting woodraphic, i would highly recommend the m4. I use that little guy more than any of them! Thansk so much for watching and sharing William!
@@FlynndoggWoodwork just ordered the m4! Thanks
@@williamfotiou7577 Oh nice! You'll love it! Probably one of my favorite measuring and marking tools!
Nice
Thank you for watching Len!
Nice but still too expensive. Their carpenter square for framing is $70. Crazy. Creating an accurate 45 with a laser cutting machine is a no brainer. All these companies are over charging. I’ve checked all my squares and they’re all spot on. They’re either from Home Depot or Amazon.
I hear you doc145. I agree with you, the woodraphic still aren't cheap. I have a couple empires as well, that are dead square and do what they need too. Just wish they had those little holes for scribing lines, but with the combination square I can always adjust it. But I hear you, still very expensive!
Honestly I’m happy paying more for good tools made in America.
That's great AVSmedical. If you have the money I 100% agree! Thanks for watching and commenting!
Lmao the 4” joke was tremendous 😂. Videos are great btw.
Thank you so much Andrew! Still learning this whole youtube thing. I never know what is funny to people or not. Sometimes people get offended but if it makes me laugh I usually include it. Thanks for watching and commenting! :)
@@FlynndoggWoodwork Katz-Moses drops jokes like that all the time and it’s great. Best thing it seems is to be yourself and keep cookin brother!
@@andrewgroeger3947 Oh I love him. he always says "come on fellas" when he makes a joke like that. Too funny!
I'm new to your channel but I really like you style and content. Thank you for the information!
THanks so much Kenneth! I appreciate that. Still trying to figure out exactly what my style is, but I think I'm getting closer. Thanks so much for watchign and commenting!
I belly laughed for 4”
Haha! Thanks so much pazmaniac! I appreciate you watching
The Woodraphic tools appear to be nice and I'll consider them for my next purchase.
However, it's unfair to compare the Woodpecker 1282 12" square with Woodraphic's 12" square without also noting that the Woodpecker has a stainless steel blade and the Woodraphic's blade is aluminium. Using stainless steel allows Woodpecker's blade to be only 1/16" thick, reducing the chance of parallax error. Woodraphic's aluminium blade is not only less durable, it's thicker -- making it harder to read accurately. Besides, when I checked Woodpecker's website just now, the list price of the 1282 is $140, not the $180 mentioned in the video. The Woodpecker square is still $50 more than the Woodraphic, but it's NOT double the price of the Woodraphic as stated in the video.
Excellent point DKwaiser on the paralax! I had forgotten about that, thanks for reminding me again. I guess the paralax wouldn’t be that much of an issue if you were using the scribing holes though as you would have a positive point to reference versus your eyes, but get point. Glad to see woodpeckers is come down a bit in the price, I suspect it won’t be for long. I feel like they run a lot of short promotions on their tools that decrease the price for a short period of time. Thanks again for bringing up the paralax!
love the hat
Thanks so much! Really appreciate you watching Richard!
The best parts were actually seeing some wood get cut. How about a complete project?
I have plenty of project builds and even a playlist. Thanks for watching!
Been watching your progress from afar, well, Chicago but still-nice to see. Happy for you in terms of growing viewers and subscribers and especially getting your shop done for this winter. But-if you don’t get your kids off the scaffold and dropping the tools into your hands, I’m going to call DCFS :)
Haha! I love it, I literally laughed out loud! You should see all my outtakes of my misses. Lots of cussing and dropped boxes! THank you so much for watching ericer, and stay warm this winter in the Windy City!
Dogg, man, more small stuff? Come on, you're killing us. We're wasting time and money. Lathe, lathe, lathe!!! I'm still saving up for the Paolini Pocket Rule. Don't make us get a lathe before you. Of course, this is months away as I, the Meat, am still rehabing this dang shoulder. The meatballs in the shop aren't worthy of a lathe until I can use it first. Did you say, " sticking your lead into a tiny hole?"
:). You are soooo right on me wasting my money on these tiny little tools! :). I will get that lathe eventually, just so much to clean out before I think about getting any new big tools for a bit. Also need to get a CNC at some point! :)
@@FlynndoggWoodwork Dogg, man, come on...CNC is for punks. Heck you've got every router in the book; you say you want to get into hand work and now you're going to buy a CNC?...Heck you have a thousand chisels and files and everything else you need to make real cool projects, that could be done by CNC, also; but, is it craftsmanship to have a machine do for you what you can do for yourself? Buck the trend, be a man 9use your hands)...Be the Dogg, man! (As always, we wish you the best and whatever you get to make your wood working fun profitable...do it.)
@@themeat5053 You are probably right meat! The only think I would use it for is templates anyway.... Plus they take up too much damn space. I've always got that shaper I guess if I need one! :)
Besides the price, I never liked Woodpecker's "Disney vault" scare tactics to hurry up and buy, before it goes away. If they can't keep producing, then offer less variety.
Oh yeah, I assume you are talking abou their one time tools. You can usually find those well after they are made in short runs. In fact I think the paolini pocket rule was a one time tool at one point. Thanks for sharing and watchign embwee!
I'll support South Korea any day, fantastic allies, looks like I'll be getting some WoodRaphic tools!
Haha! They work great! Thanks for watching weswood!
Saw guides are nice and I have used them a time or two. But if you really want to get into hand tool woodworking, ignore the guides. Cut just off your knife line and use a shooting board to square up the ends. Even your best miter saw and table saw will never square up an edge as well as a shooting board.
Love it, thank you so much for the suggestion lanceyohe! I would like to try and build a shooting board this year. It's been on my list for some time. Thank you so much for sharing and watching!
Notice he didn’t specify which Korea.
Nope, the tools don't specify either. Thanks for watching risunokairu!
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Thanks for watchign as always Pual! :)
All these tools are still overpriced. If you can purchase a good machinist square for under $20.. are you telling me it cost $70+ to put a few holes in, powdercoat and mark ruler lines?
If a cheap square is square, it has met its purpose in life. Period.
I hear you, machinist squares are great and I have a few. Thanks for sharing and watching ImBatman83. Great username by the way! :)
Woodraphic needs to come to the rest of the civilized work. I mean the metric folks 😜
I agree with you ec92009y! :) They actually have metric as well! Thanks for watching!
Woodpecker way too high, the machines r expensive but pretty much run in attended
Yep, I would agree with that. I think there are some very high profit margins on their tools. Thanks for watching byfordbarard!
Or they pay living wages to their employees. We need to support American companies. Do you feel you make to much!
Still so expensive
I don't disagree. Really hard to find woodworking tools like this at big box store prices. Thanks for watching tpsooner, I'm keeping my eyes out even better deals!
I’m sorry but even those price are absurd. I can buy machinist or drafting piece for less and just as accurate. Might not be all fancy dancy but. Will do the job.
Excellent option, James. I have a couple machinist squares and they do an excellent job. Thanks for sharing this and watching!
I will never pay what Woodpecker's wants. They charge what they do because people will pay for it.
I know, it's kind of like perfumes, or any luxury item for that matter. You can set the price at whatever you want, and consumers get a perceived value from it. Not saying woodpeckers isn't quality but I think their prices are too high.
@FlynndoggWoodwork same thing with Festfool and DeFault. I'm a Bosch girl...
@@cindyhammack68 Excellent Choice Cindy! I've been impressed with every bosch tool I've owned!
Dude. Compare the square to Woodpeckers 1282 at the 3:10 mark. They are both 12” long. Comparing to a 6” square and saying your product is longer makes no sense. They both have scribe holes. They both have lips. Besides price what else is different?
That is a 1281, not a 1282. It does not have scribe holes. I wish I had the 1282, but that is what I bought the M12. Thanks for watching mark!
@@FlynndoggWoodwork Thank you for your reply … and your enthusiasm is great!11. Yes, you did mention the 1282 at the start. Yes, I see the 1281 in the shot at the 2:53 mark. But you compared with a 642 square. My suggestion is to do an apples-to-apples comparison with a 1282. Perhaps your point is that the 642 costs $100 or about the same as the 12” square you are comparing it to.
@@mark2talk2u yeah, that probably would have been a better idea... just don't have the 1282. Kind of the reason why I got the M12. didn't want to fork out that much cash for that thing! :)
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Buy anywhere but China. Final.
I hear you! Thanks for watching Jim!
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Great suggestion Bill, I've actually done a whole video on igauging. Love the brand.
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I always laugh when Americans complain about the price of tools.
They have no idea how low their prices are compared to everyone else.
Interesting, I guess that is tax related. Thanks for sharing and watching Gary!
It's related to the strength of the US dollar and the size of the market there.
Tools in the US are usually around 1/4 to 1/3 the price we pay.
Plus shipping. And then sales tax.
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@@garysheppard4028 interesting, I guess I always thought we had it worse! Thanks for sharing good to know!
ha ha $20,000,000
I think I just don't understand art sometimes! :) Thanks for watchign Robert!
Why are woodpeckers tools outside the budget for most woodworkers ? I don’t think because you are a woodworker that you cannot afford to buy an expensive tool.
Well, not everyone has unlimited budgets of course, and a lot of people are hesitant to spend hundreds of dollars on a measuring device. I know I was when I first started out. But I think most people begin to realize that money is usually well spent. Good point and thanks for watching Brian
Because the only thing there is general agreement on is money. As you know, that is what it is for. So one has to be careful about just flashing high end tools without bowing to the fact that listeners may be offended.
I gather that in the US there were 400 new billionaires during COVID. There are plenty of people out there who could buy every tool Bridge City makes, they used to offer that as a deal. However, it also becomes a potential admission that one does not know what one is doing with wood. I could collect them, just because, but it would be like collecting Hummel, no connection to reality.
Most of that stuff looks pretty pointless. It isn't that accurate if it depends on dots for pencils, or alignments with the edge of a board. It is still really expensive, and sorta pseudo metal working standards of accuracy, while not using the methods for measuring that metal working uses.
Metal working and woodworking use high degrees of accuracy, but they are achieved in different ways. One of the winning moves for WWII manufacturing was that Ford got Jorgenson blocks out of Norway (?), before the war, and this allowed the allies to build parts to a standard where manufacturing could be distributed, yet everything would fit together. Unless you are Ikea, you could care less. So highly accurate squares and references surfaces are used so your pal can build the sides of your dovetail drawer, and when he brings them to your shop, he can fit them perfectly to your previously built drawer front. Oh, wait a second, that isn't a thing.
So when one sees a lot of fancy squares, and promises of hyper accuracy, but based not on reference surfaces, but crap like woodpecker, someone got snowed. Not to say there is anything wrong with pretty tools, and expensive tools, but it is based on a fundamental misunderstanding of how woodwork is made. And there isn't just one way. Furniture is made differently than timber frames. Understanding the basics really helps. Of course one does need a square. If it is a Woodpecker one, that is just dandy. I prefer ones made of wood, and I rarely use markings, but it won't hurt your woodworking to use a WP square, if you know how to do woodworking layout.
I started adult woodworking about 1980. At the time, Germans still had an apprenticeship system for solid woodworking, as I believe they still do. And unlike places like LV that sold 6 in metal working squares (cheap and useful), the German companies still sold blank wooden squares, and it wasn't because they had so much to learn from us... So yeah, I love anodized black aluminum... Fishing reels... But if you aren't comfortable working with a blank wooden square you may not understand how this stuff is really done. You can still do it with your fancy tools, they are a joy to behold.
Oh I get it, I’ve actually made my own square before, I have a video on it. But I appreciate your comment thanks for sharing
Great video. Happy to hear you are going to do some hand woodworking. On one of your deep dives in Google, find us some quality hand planes that won't break the bank. And which, say 3, are the most important to purchase first. I really do appreciate your enthusiasm and great content. Thank you!
Jointer, bench and block. However, if might be different if you did some specialty activity like making bows.
Cheapest is to make your own. It is hard to get the "real" wood. However, maple makes great planes, even if beech is better. Back around 1980 when this stuff was really exploding I taught a course at LV on Krenov planes, which are just an option that most people can make. I timed how long it took me to make one, assuming I had found all the necessary tools and had a reasonable source of wood to hand (but not to the level of a kit). Takes 45 minutes. That is to the first cut, but one can spend as much time as one wants, carving and finishing. That presupposes access to a bandsaw. woodworking has to start somewhere. I went through the whole thing of starting with nothing, and it was tough. That isn't how it worked traditionally. You would probably learn in a shop. From the 80s to 2000, we really didn't have access to real tools, particularly handsaws. All that has changed.
If you can find second hand planes then stanley or record can be good. My first jointer was a Record 07, and I still use it. But they weigh 7 or 9 pounds, where a wooden plane weighs 2 in the same size, and is very slippery on the wood. I am not a big fan of antique planes, there is usually something wrong with them. Short blade, cracks, mixed parts, but your local market may be different than mine.
Anything by Lee Valley is pretty good. Obviously Lee Nielsen, but expensive.
If you are smaller in stature you might want a number 3, as a bench plane. A lot of big people like the 4, or the wide 4. But the weight may be too much. Some people buy a middling plane like a 5, and use it for everything, however, that is going to be pretty heavy. Some places sell reconditioned Stanley planes at less than new prices, and there are some premium Asian planes. But I have no experience with those.
Wooden block planes are not my favourite, unless they are Japanese, and hard to save money there. My favourites, and in my case worth saving up for, are: The lie nielsen 102, and the Veritas Low Angle Block plane. Always get low angle block planes. I can do without block planes, doing without spokeshaves would be harder for me.
Thank you. Would be interested in your opinion of affordable ones that you identified. Thank you again.@@tacticalskiffs8134
Thank you so much Polly! I would love to check out some new hand planes. I feel like I’m still in the process of learning how to use them correctly though. Maybe after I get just a little more experience! :). Thanks for watching!