I just got back into bowling and I can appreciate someone who has a passion for the sport and the knowledge to help us get better… I’ve been back 4 months and i struggled with timing at first and release but for the last few weeks I’ve been on point averaging between 3 houses about 215
What lane condition would that max flip layout be bad? And would that be bad for someone like me who is low rev like 300rpm? I’m more matched rev/speed I’m trying to figure out what type of ball(s) I’d want to use that layout.
That layout adds a bunch of length… so if you’re cool with that it could be a good option. Radical recommend it for high rev high speed bowlers. Midlane layout for low rev low speed bowlers. I’m fairly matched so I can kinda run with a variety of options.
Oh if your rev speed matched, you should be open to use that layout when you need more entry angle I’m using the arch around game 2 or 3 when the buff develops on the outside and there is midlane transition i need to skid through
@@TheBowlingNerd so my shinny asyms are drilled 45 x 4.5 x 35 and they are pretty clean and don’t have a lot of shape down lane. Do u think a 3.5” pin might help with that? I just saw mo’s old video and he said higher track players should use a 3.5-4” pin. I have a virtual energy blackout and black widow 2.0 hybrid and they don’t really circle the lane. I can’t really stand left and hook the lane with them.
If you saw the old Mo vid I’m thinking about, I think he said something to the effect of wanting a variety in your bag towards the end of that vid. It sounds like you’re missing that 3.5 - 4 pin distance. Might be worth it to get both a sym and asym piece. Or plugging and re drilling that VeBo… as long as the plug is off the track. I called out the VeBo cuz it has a high Intermediate Diff but if you want something new… Take a look at DNA Coil Hater Or…. Arch hybrid Layout doesn’t have to be max flip You can dial it down if you want depending on what your proshop says. It sounds like you have a large range of options so why not push the limits on a ball 😁
I appreciate the love, it means a lot. With this style, i can only review a handful Stay tuned for my next project, it'll be a little bit of a switch up.
Black Widow 3.0 Zig Archetype Venom shock being my symmetric option Black venom - low diff Plastic For tourneys Zen soul Hyroad Pearl Pitch Black Purple hammer Uc3 Mythic jackal But I might rotate bowing balls depending on which team we’re up against.
I was thinking of adding a theorem and zig zag to my eternity pi and envy tour. But you’re making me want to get a widow 3.0 lol. I am also not getting a lot of shape out of my sublime so was thinking of adding a different sym with 3.5-4” pin
I have that pin distance on my venom shock and 5 inch pin to pap on my Zen Soul. So it’s relatively easy to make that ball change. Have you tried your sublime with surface? Straight 2000 Or… skip sand 500 / 2000
@@TheBowlingNerd I’ve hit my sublime with a very light 3k pad but was worried if I hit it hard with 2k it would be too early. I will try it though. So I’ve been struggling mightily at league. I normally stand around 20 and aim 11-10ish out to around 7-6ish. If I miss too far right I 2-8 or miss the head pin sometimes. The gutter doesn’t hook. When I miss in I go high. I’ve been using the envy tour but it will flat 10 if I leak it right and it’s too much ball to miss in. I’ve tried to play 3rd arrow with my eternity pi but it’s 10 pin city if I’m not perfect. Any suggestions in terms of playing that type of house shot? Do you think widow 3.0 with that earlier layout you use might work? I’m prob 275-300 rpm and 15mph off my hand. Wondering if I don’t have enough revs to make that work?
@@surfboardshack3327 house shots can play different across the board and based on how other people break them down. It sounds like you have plenty of ball choices already. Your money might be better used towards coaching. I’m working on something like that for my next vid. Feel free to upload a few shots and I can take a look if you want. Recorded from behind and also the side profile.
Good question. With my particular layout 70 x 3 1/2 x 20 I'd use it like game 2 or 3 depending on how the lanes are playing. So, last on friday after i posted this vid (3/1) I had bowled against someone throwing a purple hammer. Urethane picks up oil in the fronts and carries it down lane. The archetype with my layout, allowed me to get it through that burn in the fronts and bounce it around the carry down. I went 248, 238, 235 for a 721 Throwing the black widow the first 2 and Arch the 3rd game I tried the Zig first 2 shots in the 3rd game, but that ball didnt provide enough length to get through the burn.
@@TheBowlingNerd ah I see. So you’d use it either when the fronts are kinda gonna and the backends are tight or after your big ball gets lazy? I’m trying to figure out whether I need something like a archetype hybrid or theorem after my big ball starts giving up or drop down to something with a similar shape to my big ball but just a bit cleaner 🤷🏻♂️ don’t seem to know when to throw those big shinny asym balls
@@surfboardshack3327 - Yeah game 3 my widow was getting lazy (from the fronts burning) I tend to look at the length each ball provides when i decide to make my switch. Both Arch and Theorem have a short hook window with those high int diff So... im thinking either one is viable Both covers are hk22 hybrid... the manufactures don't give much info on the additives used 😕 But based on ball reviews, i think the theorem had a slightly cleaner cover. Work with your local proshop since they know your game better than some random nerd on the internet lmao. They should help you line up your ball choices and layouts If they provide coaching, see if they can work with you on laneplay and transition. Or find a high level bowler in your area willing to spend a hour or so watching you throw 100 shots 😆
@bigd8812 Hey man, Hitter has Rg 2.488 Diff 0.053 Int Diff 0.015 The Widow has Rg 2.5 Diff 0.058 Int Diff 0.016 So 5 more total and 1 more Int The widow has a bigger hook window based on undrilled numbers Visually look at both cores, they have similar shapes. Check out Radical's ThroBot vid on The Hitter They showcase the same layout 45 x 4 1/4 x 75 if Radical recommends it when they try to sell the Hitter, then that's good enough for me to give it a shot 😆 The continuation i get out of the ball is insane showcased at 11:03 A variety of shapes in your bag is essential. Work with your local proshop if you want to give that layout a shot.
I definitely overstated the impact of layout in this ball review. It sounds the consensus is that it impacts how the ball goes through the pins.
Love the family guy clip you threw in there too after the core explanation. 😂😂
Yeah, I had some fun with that.
Another great video. Keep up the great work. I'm sure Freeda will appreciate the birthday shout out.
Lmao thanks dude
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I just got back into bowling and I can appreciate someone who has a passion for the sport and the knowledge to help us get better… I’ve been back 4 months and i struggled with timing at first and release but for the last few weeks I’ve been on point averaging between 3 houses about 215
I love to hear it
Same here I quit for 3 years after college and got back into it like 3 years ago
Great video!
2:44
I should have said “on or near the mass bias”
Your individual PAP can change how these layouts look on the ball.
How about the radioactive vibe solid sym and what a cover
It’s a good ball from what I’ve seen.
Very continuous, if I were to get one… I’d probably go with a short pin layout for sport tourneys
What lane condition would that max flip layout be bad? And would that be bad for someone like me who is low rev like 300rpm? I’m more matched rev/speed
I’m trying to figure out what type of ball(s) I’d want to use that layout.
That layout adds a bunch of length… so if you’re cool with that it could be a good option.
Radical recommend it for high rev high speed bowlers. Midlane layout for low rev low speed bowlers.
I’m fairly matched so I can kinda run with a variety of options.
Oh if your rev speed matched, you should be open to use that layout when you need more entry angle
I’m using the arch around game 2 or 3 when the buff develops on the outside and there is midlane transition i need to skid through
@@TheBowlingNerd so my shinny asyms are drilled 45 x 4.5 x 35 and they are pretty clean and don’t have a lot of shape down lane. Do u think a 3.5” pin might help with that? I just saw mo’s old video and he said higher track players should use a 3.5-4” pin. I have a virtual energy blackout and black widow 2.0 hybrid and they don’t really circle the lane. I can’t really stand left and hook the lane with them.
Like if I send them too far right they don’t come back
If you saw the old Mo vid I’m thinking about, I think he said something to the effect of wanting a variety in your bag towards the end of that vid.
It sounds like you’re missing that 3.5 - 4 pin distance.
Might be worth it to get both a sym and asym piece. Or plugging and re drilling that VeBo… as long as the plug is off the track.
I called out the VeBo cuz it has a high Intermediate Diff but if you want something new…
Take a look at
DNA Coil
Hater
Or…. Arch hybrid
Layout doesn’t have to be max flip
You can dial it down if you want depending on what your proshop says.
It sounds like you have a large range of options so why not push the limits on a ball 😁
Best damn ball reviewer! ❤ Keep churning more!
I appreciate the love, it means a lot.
With this style, i can only review a handful
Stay tuned for my next project, it'll be a little bit of a switch up.
For your Monday night league,sounds like you needed to start with the black widow 3.0 in the first game
@bigd8812 - yeah bruh I did it for the content 😁
It was a bit warmer out yesterday so the lanes were hooking
So I went Zig Zig Arch for 780 😆
But yeah
3.0 -> Zig -> Arch
Is the progression with how I have them laid out
And what’s in your current league arsenal?
Black Widow 3.0
Zig
Archetype
Venom shock being my symmetric option
Black venom - low diff
Plastic
For tourneys
Zen soul
Hyroad Pearl
Pitch Black
Purple hammer
Uc3
Mythic jackal
But I might rotate bowing balls depending on which team we’re up against.
I was thinking of adding a theorem and zig zag to my eternity pi and envy tour. But you’re making me want to get a widow 3.0 lol. I am also not getting a lot of shape out of my sublime so was thinking of adding a different sym with 3.5-4” pin
I have that pin distance on my venom shock and 5 inch pin to pap on my Zen Soul. So it’s relatively easy to make that ball change.
Have you tried your sublime with surface?
Straight 2000
Or… skip sand 500 / 2000
@@TheBowlingNerd I’ve hit my sublime with a very light 3k pad but was worried if I hit it hard with 2k it would be too early. I will try it though.
So I’ve been struggling mightily at league. I normally stand around 20 and aim 11-10ish out to around 7-6ish. If I miss too far right I 2-8 or miss the head pin sometimes. The gutter doesn’t hook. When I miss in I go high. I’ve been using the envy tour but it will flat 10 if I leak it right and it’s too much ball to miss in. I’ve tried to play 3rd arrow with my eternity pi but it’s 10 pin city if I’m not perfect. Any suggestions in terms of playing that type of house shot? Do you think widow 3.0 with that earlier layout you use might work? I’m prob 275-300 rpm and 15mph off my hand. Wondering if I don’t have enough revs to make that work?
@@surfboardshack3327 house shots can play different across the board and based on how other people break them down.
It sounds like you have plenty of ball choices already. Your money might be better used towards coaching. I’m working on something like that for my next vid.
Feel free to upload a few shots and I can take a look if you want. Recorded from behind and also the side profile.
So when would you want to use a ball like the archetype?
Good question.
With my particular layout 70 x 3 1/2 x 20
I'd use it like game 2 or 3 depending on how the lanes are playing.
So, last on friday after i posted this vid (3/1)
I had bowled against someone throwing a purple hammer.
Urethane picks up oil in the fronts and carries it down lane.
The archetype with my layout, allowed me to get it through that burn in the fronts and bounce it around the carry down.
I went 248, 238, 235 for a 721
Throwing the black widow the first 2 and Arch the 3rd game
I tried the Zig first 2 shots in the 3rd game, but that ball didnt provide enough length to get through the burn.
@@TheBowlingNerd ah I see. So you’d use it either when the fronts are kinda gonna and the backends are tight or after your big ball gets lazy? I’m trying to figure out whether I need something like a archetype hybrid or theorem after my big ball starts giving up or drop down to something with a similar shape to my big ball but just a bit cleaner 🤷🏻♂️ don’t seem to know when to throw those big shinny asym balls
@@surfboardshack3327 - Yeah game 3 my widow was getting lazy (from the fronts burning)
I tend to look at the length each ball provides when i decide to make my switch.
Both Arch and Theorem have a short hook window with those high int diff
So... im thinking either one is viable
Both covers are hk22 hybrid... the manufactures don't give much info on the additives used 😕
But based on ball reviews, i think the theorem had a slightly cleaner cover.
Work with your local proshop since they know your game better than some random nerd on the internet lmao.
They should help you line up your ball choices and layouts
If they provide coaching, see if they can work with you on laneplay and transition.
Or find a high level bowler in your area willing to spend a hour or so watching you throw 100 shots 😆
@@TheBowlingNerd got it. Making me think if I should also get a zig zag lol keep the videos coming
@@surfboardshack3327 Honestly, you can't go wrong with the Zig. it's the most versatile ball in terms of drilling options.
Wrong layout on the widow. That ball moves
@bigd8812
Hey man,
Hitter has Rg 2.488 Diff 0.053 Int Diff 0.015
The Widow has Rg 2.5 Diff 0.058 Int Diff 0.016
So 5 more total and 1 more Int
The widow has a bigger hook window based on undrilled numbers
Visually look at both cores, they have similar shapes.
Check out Radical's ThroBot vid on The Hitter
They showcase the same layout
45 x 4 1/4 x 75
if Radical recommends it when they try to sell the Hitter, then that's good enough for me to give it a shot 😆
The continuation i get out of the ball is insane showcased at 11:03
A variety of shapes in your bag is essential.
Work with your local proshop if you want to give that layout a shot.
If you want to expand on that thought, im happy to listen.
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