When I first got back into bowling about 5 years ago, I realized there was a lot of staffers out there. I had also come across your channel and though you were a staff member at the time, I appreciated the thought and consideration you put into each ball review and weren't just a Kool-Aid drinking hype monster. I was not a brand specific person and had always wished there was a guy with your knowledge when it came to all the other brands. Now that you are no longer on staff, my dreams have come true and I never thought I would see the day you roll a B.O.B. ball. As a second arrow lefty, I know it would be selfish of me to have you roll every ball that You come across. That would be a dizzying amount of balls for one person to roll so im glad that you have help. Can't say enough about how happy I am for you and praying and hoping for many, many more years of ball vids.
I finally got my Archetype Hybrid drilled and absolutely love it right out of the box! Several 200+ games already. As a lefty rolling around 12-15 mph near the pins and 175-200 revs, this ball (along with the original Archetype) have been the most controllable balls that I have owned (and I own several). I went from being in a 140ish slump in league to low 200s. Just ordered a second one and a Theorem.
Thank you Brands of Brunswick for Mr. Rosdahl having the opportunity to review those brands. He is a God send for us lefties. Now on to the review. Wow! This ball turns and hits! Well done Luke thank you for this in depth account of the Archetype Hybrid.
I’ve been an SPI guy ever since I came across your channel a few years back. Very in depth and informative in your reviews which I always appreciated. Definitely gonna have to give a look at these B7 balls now. Also, thank you for saying which SPI ball is similar to the B7 ball in your reviews. Keep up the great work.
Such great news about B7 coming to the party Luke! Your reviews have always been enormously helpful, and having the ability to make industry wide comparisons now is just icing on the cake. I've a mix of SPI and B7 balls (latest being the GB4 Hybrid which I love), so now my "must watch" list just got a hell of a lot longer. Couldn't be happier. All the best.
Thanks! Nice to see you throw other stuff. You knowledge is extremely valuable to us amateurs. Is the report card videos hanging around? Not sure how you are going to be able to handle throwing all these new releases. I have practically given up. So many balls the do similar things.
Yo thanks a ton! Yeah I have some report cards on the list to do, just have some other things to take care of first! It'll be challenging for sure, but I'll do my best to help everyone figure everything out.
Thank you as always for your in depth analysis. Was looking at the Tour Envy Pearl or Theorem for an Asym Angular ball on challenge/sport but now Archetype has entered the conversation. Nova is my "Big Ball", know you have mixed feelings on it but what would fit best between Nova and a pin down P2? 15-16mph, 300-350 rev righty.
Is it a regular Nova or is it a Super Nova? The regular Nova has a really weak cover, I know it's pretty strong with surface, but it's a marble when it shines a little, so that makes any kind of recommendations difficult if THAT is your big ball.
I'm not sure how, they don't have it at the center I film at and I'm pretty sure B7 wouldn't pay the thousands it would take to make that happen for some ball videos. Would be fun though!
Cross brand question Probably drilling a widow 3.0 soon, been mostly spi because of your reviews. Have infinite which i like but wanted something a little quicker so was thinking vebo, but the theorem has me very curious especially because I was a big triton elite fan. Theorem too much overlap with infinite or you think they can coexist? Rest of steady bag: p2, p3, revenant.
The Theorem is the sharpest one of it, VEBO, or Infinite, the VEBO is the cleanest one, Infinite is the earliest one, Infinite and Theorem are similar on strength, Theorem is a touch stronger, similar length. There is definitely some overlap between the Infinite and Theorem though.
I have a BW 2.0 hybrid. What would be the better ball up? This archetype or the BW 3.0? I feel like you couldn’t go wrong with either, but the overall cover strength of the 3.0 kinda turns me off of it.
Depends on what you're after, I don't think the Theorem is quite ENOUGH ball up, but you might want to hang on because I've got a James 3.0 video coming where I compare it to the 2.0 hybrid so you'll get a good look at that at least.
I'm a second to third arrow lefty that usually bowls on a wet house shot. I really get the most out of seeing you roll over 2nd arrow. I dont care about the strike I care about the comparison to my current arsenal or something close to it.
Yeah I know but everything for me just hooks too much from too straight. I'll be in the 2nd to 3rd arrow zone still, so I'll just start in the 11-5 zone rather than like the 7 to 5 zone.
He can’t help you without testing on a wetter house shot. You won’t get an accurate depiction of ball roll on your house shot from watching LR struggle to keep a strong ball on the left side of the head pin.
Yeah and if I test on a wetter shot, then you're not going to get an accurate read on anything, etc. Specifics like that aren't what ball reviews are for, best you can do is get general reaction and develop a basis for comparison. See what my reaction typically looks like vs what your reaction out of the same balls looks like for you, then you develop a correlation between the two. So the look I have from 3rd arrow generally looks like the reaction you get from that ball from 2nd arrow, then you're in business.
I would say step down for sure. I usually start in check or cosmos and have a ocean vibe I like a lot but sometimes isn’t ready to get into it when I’m out of those first two yet
It's quite a bit different than the 3.0 or the Theorem, stronger than both and definitely a different shape. I don't have overlap there, but it's up to you on if it's needed or not.
Possibly, but it's going to end up being compared in so many different videos that I think people will get a good idea about it anyway. James drilled one too and it's going to show up against his Emerge Hybrid that we're getting footage for today.
for casual league bowlers who want to do well. maybe 400 rev - 15.5 MPH / 2 finger no thumb style - what type of ball would you recommend? Using father in laws old ass ball. Have bowled over several 200's but just lacking knowledge and overwhelmed with how many options there are.
Probably a lower end/weaker ball. Generally you can get a good idea by price, cheaper balls will hook less. I think it sounds like you'd really like a Nu Blue Hammer. Smoother, more controllable, not super strong once you get some lane shine on it, it's a perfect league ball for higher rev rates and/or lower speeds.
Thanks for that recommendation. I have actually been eye balling that. I’ll have to figure out my pap and get recommendations on best layout for me. Have you reviewed NU BLUE?
@@LukeRosdahl I did watch that actually! NU seems to just smack the pins so hard and always looks to have great continuation. Some of the other terms, I have not caught an eye for yet. I think I will go for this as my new strike ball / do everything ball until I figure out what a 2nd strike balls should be. Will get a spare shortly. Best spare ball for higher rev kinda guy? Storm ICE looked good when I tried it.
I liked what I was seeing and hearing in this review, and then you mentioned that it was very much like an Altered Reality which I already have and love. $$$ saved. :)
Just got this ball. It hooks to much for my speed. Got it in 14 lbs & first ball I have bought since 1997. First year bowling in almost 20 years because of physical problems (Legs walking) Lanes I am bowling on are very dry. Wish they had some oil on them but they said this would be best ball for me. I do not think it is but already bought it. Cannot afford another ball at this point.
I had actually intended to switch back, but that's just not an option any more and I can't burn a bunch of balls just to throw them in a video here and there.
I know you never threw the original Archetype, but you have seen it go down the lanes. By the sound of this review, it does not seem that the Archetype solid and the Archetype hybrid complement each other and you would choose one or the other for your bag. Is that a fair assumption?
Why would they not complement each other? I basically said this one was a longer and sharper version of the original, so they should complement each other pretty well
@@LukeRosdahl Sorry. I was thinking since they were both fairly strong pieces there would not be enough separation between the two and it would be best to choose the shape you liked the best. My bad.
I think the original is enough earlier, stronger and smoother, that the hybrid is a decent enough amount more length and shape that they'd work well together.
@@LukeRosdahl That’s 101 bowling when your really getting into the depth of the balls and your going to tournaments. You better know what you’re carrying and how to fit them. Solid,hybrid,pearl Thanks Luke for everything you do for us bowlers
Going down the second arrow is just dumb and adds no value? Uh huh, because there's definitely not a whole bunch of league bowlers who do EXACTLY that.
So you want to see me keep going crossing over with everything then? I said it's dumb and adds no value for me in the video, all I do is line up and go brooklyn with everything for a couple shots before I move, what exactly is beneficial or helpful about that for a review?
When I first got back into bowling about 5 years ago, I realized there was a lot of staffers out there. I had also come across your channel and though you were a staff member at the time, I appreciated the thought and consideration you put into each ball review and weren't just a Kool-Aid drinking hype monster. I was not a brand specific person and had always wished there was a guy with your knowledge when it came to all the other brands. Now that you are no longer on staff, my dreams have come true and I never thought I would see the day you roll a B.O.B. ball. As a second arrow lefty, I know it would be selfish of me to have you roll every ball that You come across. That would be a dizzying amount of balls for one person to roll so im glad that you have help. Can't say enough about how happy I am for you and praying and hoping for many, many more years of ball vids.
I finally got my Archetype Hybrid drilled and absolutely love it right out of the box! Several 200+ games already. As a lefty rolling around 12-15 mph near the pins and 175-200 revs, this ball (along with the original Archetype) have been the most controllable balls that I have owned (and I own several). I went from being in a 140ish slump in league to low 200s. Just ordered a second one and a Theorem.
Thank you Brands of Brunswick for Mr. Rosdahl having the opportunity to review those brands. He is a God send for us lefties. Now on to the review. Wow! This ball turns and hits! Well done Luke thank you for this in depth account of the Archetype Hybrid.
I’ve been an SPI guy ever since I came across your channel a few years back. Very in depth and informative in your reviews which I always appreciated. Definitely gonna have to give a look at these B7 balls now. Also, thank you for saying which SPI ball is similar to the B7 ball in your reviews. Keep up the great work.
Love the shelf appeal of this ball ❤
Such great news about B7 coming to the party Luke! Your reviews have always been enormously helpful, and having the ability to make industry wide comparisons now is just icing on the cake. I've a mix of SPI and B7 balls (latest being the GB4 Hybrid which I love), so now my "must watch" list just got a hell of a lot longer. Couldn't be happier. All the best.
Thanks! Nice to see you throw other stuff. You knowledge is extremely valuable to us amateurs. Is the report card videos hanging around?
Not sure how you are going to be able to handle throwing all these new releases. I have practically given up. So many balls the do similar things.
Yo thanks a ton! Yeah I have some report cards on the list to do, just have some other things to take care of first!
It'll be challenging for sure, but I'll do my best to help everyone figure everything out.
Fantastic review. Great detail of lane condition,ball drilling,info of ball and reaction on the lanes. Well done sir.
@ 4:00 you had me at altered reality
Basically a Altered Reality? Im sold! That a selling point only someone in your new position can do.
That "third arrow to 5" line makes this look REALLY good.
Thank you as always for your in depth analysis. Was looking at the Tour Envy Pearl or Theorem for an Asym Angular ball on challenge/sport but now Archetype has entered the conversation. Nova is my "Big Ball", know you have mixed feelings on it but what would fit best between Nova and a pin down P2? 15-16mph, 300-350 rev righty.
Is it a regular Nova or is it a Super Nova? The regular Nova has a really weak cover, I know it's pretty strong with surface, but it's a marble when it shines a little, so that makes any kind of recommendations difficult if THAT is your big ball.
2 handers may love this ball it should be good for direct outside lines without worrying about throwing it softer.
Paragon pearl has QR-11 also
Fantastic review as always Luke, when are you moving to the next level with Specto? B7 might help you out I would think.
I'm not sure how, they don't have it at the center I film at and I'm pretty sure B7 wouldn't pay the thousands it would take to make that happen for some ball videos. Would be fun though!
Cross brand question
Probably drilling a widow 3.0 soon, been mostly spi because of your reviews.
Have infinite which i like but wanted something a little quicker so was thinking vebo, but the theorem has me very curious especially because I was a big triton elite fan.
Theorem too much overlap with infinite or you think they can coexist?
Rest of steady bag: p2, p3, revenant.
The Theorem is the sharpest one of it, VEBO, or Infinite, the VEBO is the cleanest one, Infinite is the earliest one, Infinite and Theorem are similar on strength, Theorem is a touch stronger, similar length. There is definitely some overlap between the Infinite and Theorem though.
Speed: 14-15, righty 300-350 rev…which Theorem or Archetype Hybrid fits better with my Journey (3K grit) and Primal Shock?
I have to go Theorem, I think it's a little more user friendly and forgiving.
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I have a BW 2.0 hybrid. What would be the better ball up? This archetype or the BW 3.0? I feel like you couldn’t go wrong with either, but the overall cover strength of the 3.0 kinda turns me off of it.
Depends on what you're after, I don't think the Theorem is quite ENOUGH ball up, but you might want to hang on because I've got a James 3.0 video coming where I compare it to the 2.0 hybrid so you'll get a good look at that at least.
You mentioned the altered similarities, is it too close to add if I already have a pretty fresh altered?
Probably, I think this one is still a little stronger, but you'll have overlap
@@LukeRosdahl Thanks, good info as always!
Where would you put the Paragon Pearl ? A little weaker than the other two?
I haven't seen much of it, but it's definitely the slowest of the 3
I'm a second to third arrow lefty that usually bowls on a wet house shot. I really get the most out of seeing you roll over 2nd arrow. I dont care about the strike I care about the comparison to my current arsenal or something close to it.
Yeah I know but everything for me just hooks too much from too straight. I'll be in the 2nd to 3rd arrow zone still, so I'll just start in the 11-5 zone rather than like the 7 to 5 zone.
He can’t help you without testing on a wetter house shot. You won’t get an accurate depiction of ball roll on your house shot from watching LR struggle to keep a strong ball on the left side of the head pin.
Yeah and if I test on a wetter shot, then you're not going to get an accurate read on anything, etc. Specifics like that aren't what ball reviews are for, best you can do is get general reaction and develop a basis for comparison. See what my reaction typically looks like vs what your reaction out of the same balls looks like for you, then you develop a correlation between the two. So the look I have from 3rd arrow generally looks like the reaction you get from that ball from 2nd arrow, then you're in business.
Would love to see you work with motiv some more as well, or will you be more focused to SPI and Brunswick?
I'll do Motiv stuff too if I can get my hands on it.
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The theorem looks crazy. Would it fit in a bag with the reality check I just drilled as slight step down or maybe sideways
It's a shape difference but everything else is pretty similar. Theorem is just a rounder and slightly more continuous version.
If theorem may be to close what other options would you look at between check and my cosmos I like a lot thanks in advance
Do you want something else that's strong too or are you looking for a step down?
I would say step down for sure. I usually start in check or cosmos and have a ocean vibe I like a lot but sometimes isn’t ready to get into it when I’m out of those first two yet
The Endeavor may be more along the lines of what you're looking for. Not Cosmos strong but not Ocean Vibe weak
Seen good reviews. I have Widow 3.0 and Theorem is this ball still a must have or not needed with other two?
It's quite a bit different than the 3.0 or the Theorem, stronger than both and definitely a different shape. I don't have overlap there, but it's up to you on if it's needed or not.
Do you have a separate video planned for the Theorem at some point?
Possibly, but it's going to end up being compared in so many different videos that I think people will get a good idea about it anyway. James drilled one too and it's going to show up against his Emerge Hybrid that we're getting footage for today.
for casual league bowlers who want to do well. maybe 400 rev - 15.5 MPH / 2 finger no thumb style - what type of ball would you recommend? Using father in laws old ass ball. Have bowled over several 200's but just lacking knowledge and overwhelmed with how many options there are.
Probably a lower end/weaker ball. Generally you can get a good idea by price, cheaper balls will hook less. I think it sounds like you'd really like a Nu Blue Hammer. Smoother, more controllable, not super strong once you get some lane shine on it, it's a perfect league ball for higher rev rates and/or lower speeds.
Thanks for that recommendation. I have actually been eye balling that. I’ll have to figure out my pap and get recommendations on best layout for me. Have you reviewed NU BLUE?
Working on it, I should have a video up in a couple days, but I did already put one up featuring a higher rev righty if you want to check that one out
@@LukeRosdahl I did watch that actually! NU seems to just smack the pins so hard and always looks to have great continuation. Some of the other terms, I have not caught an eye for yet. I think I will go for this as my new strike ball / do everything ball until I figure out what a 2nd strike balls should be. Will get a spare shortly. Best spare ball for higher rev kinda guy? Storm ICE looked good when I tried it.
I liked what I was seeing and hearing in this review, and then you mentioned that it was very much like an Altered Reality which I already have and love. $$$ saved. :)
At least you can put it on the list as a possible replacement in case something happens to the Altered!
I think you should give the kinetic cobalt a review.
I do have one, it's already discontinued though, so I've got to just focus on moving forward from here.
Just got this ball. It hooks to much for my speed. Got it in 14 lbs & first ball I have bought since 1997. First year bowling in almost 20 years because of physical problems (Legs walking) Lanes I am bowling on are very dry. Wish they had some oil on them but they said this would be best ball for me. I do not think it is but already bought it. Cannot afford another ball at this point.
Yeah that's unfortunate, this is definitely one of the stronger balls out there and whoever told you it'd be a good idea steered you wrong for sure
Can you do more videos with you bowling right handed?
I had actually intended to switch back, but that's just not an option any more and I can't burn a bunch of balls just to throw them in a video here and there.
I know you never threw the original Archetype, but you have seen it go down the lanes. By the sound of this review, it does not seem that the Archetype solid and the Archetype hybrid complement each other and you would choose one or the other for your bag. Is that a fair assumption?
Why would they not complement each other? I basically said this one was a longer and sharper version of the original, so they should complement each other pretty well
@@LukeRosdahl Sorry. I was thinking since they were both fairly strong pieces there would not be enough separation between the two and it would be best to choose the shape you liked the best. My bad.
I think the original is enough earlier, stronger and smoother, that the hybrid is a decent enough amount more length and shape that they'd work well together.
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That’s 101 bowling when your really getting into the depth of the balls and your going to tournaments. You better know what you’re carrying and how to fit them. Solid,hybrid,pearl
Thanks Luke for everything you do for us bowlers
Going down the second arrow is just dumb and adds no value? Uh huh, because there's definitely not a whole bunch of league bowlers who do EXACTLY that.
So you want to see me keep going crossing over with everything then? I said it's dumb and adds no value for me in the video, all I do is line up and go brooklyn with everything for a couple shots before I move, what exactly is beneficial or helpful about that for a review?
@@LukeRosdahl ah. I misunderstood.