Special Effects Demo Reel for Star Trek The Motion Picture
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- This is the original 1980 demo reel from Apogee showcasing their effects for the movie Star Trek the Motion Picture. Included are additional previously unseen and extended scenes mostly involving the Klingon attack against the cloud / V'ger
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This is neat to see. The Motion Picture never gets the appreciation it deserves as one of the most beautiful visual effects films of all time. John Dykstra and Doug Trumbull were geniuses and it is amazing what they were able to accomplish, especially when you stop to consider that it was all done practically, many years before the advent of CGI. Thanks for sharing!
And it FEELS like a trek story, not a mere action movie, like the rest.
For what it's worth, Doug's SILENT RUNNING is the film that told me my life's work would be in movies.
I worked at Doug & Richard's ShowScan in the middle 80's in editorial. There's an old saying of 'Never meet your heroes ...' Well, meeting Doug was sublime and he was the meaning of kindness -- at least for myself.
Rest easy, Doug ... you made a difference.
D.A.
Lucky me .... I actually touched the that Enterprise way back when they were doing KHAN.
Luckier me ... I worked for Doug Trumbull in the mid-80's at ShowScan. Rest well, Doug. Give my regards to Huey, Dewey & Louie. Much love.
D.A.
Interesting scoring. Enterprise theme for the Klingons, Klingon theme for the Enterprise...
The special effects were not just great, but had artistry. The pinwheeling Klingon cruisers at the start of the film are mirrored with the pinwheeling Enterprise at the end of the film, thus the film has “bookend” visual moments.
Several interesting things about this footage...
1. It looks like the original plan for the Klingon attack on V'Ger was all ships would fire on it. But IMO the broad shot of them all attacking didn't look as great, so they nixed it.
2. 1:36 it appears one of the Klingon ships successfully repelled one of the whiplash bolts.
3. 3:44 one of the whiplash bolts took part of the hull, but not the whole thing.
This suggests the Klingons put up a better fight than is shown in the final cut, rather than getting obliterated without a chance. In the theatrical release on Epsilon 9 this is implied when the computer says the Amar is continuing to attack with a shot of the crew getting rocked.
I never understood why the other two Klingon ships didn't fire their photon torpedos.
Most people do not know that the image they are looking at with the cloud is from a clocked drone. They are classified in the federation because they are not to have clocking tech. But they do.
@@ghostofpambo6266 I always figured that whenever the Klingons an unknown intruder, due to their warlike society their concept of "first contact" was having the command ship fire a volley at the target to see how they reacted.
Either they would be destroyed or they would evade, which would escalate: do you make contact or go to attack level 2, based upon the intruder's response.
Since all 3 photon torpedoes _disappeared (not even a registered impact),_ the Commander realized he was in over his head and needed to let High Command know.
I do wish they at least kept the "plasma prematurely destructing, disintegrating part of the engine nacelle).
That Klingon ship getting half destroyed is the coolest part.
I just saw the other post, and again, outstanding! For a moment, thought I was going to see the extra never-seen ‘ensign Phillips get zapped’ scene, but what is here is amazing footage. Thank you.
What do you mean I have googled ensing Phillips and nothing
@@sh-ig9fm One of the Marines with the extra body armor is vaporized on the bridge.
@@lancer737 ok thanks
But does this footage exist? I've read so much about the security guard firing a phaser at the light probe and being turned into a pile of goo over the years. The most recent book about TMP production says it was never shot. They're hiding something.
There is perhaps even so much more "out there" from TMP production. With a constantly changing script and essentially two SFX teams on the film I'm sure there is a treasure trove of footage someplace in the bowels of Paramount. I met one of the Klingon crew actors years ago and upon a second meeting he showed me a phaser prop he had and production stills. One of which had blue screen images of the Klingon crew and others Federation officers in some kind of suspended mode. He said one of the plans was to have these people somehow alive in the source wall while being "consumed" by Vger. Perhaps the data pattern reduction mentioned by the Ilia probe in the movie.
Yes. The Klingons and Federation crew were supposed to appear in the memory wall sequence that was replaced with the Spock Walk sequence (due to the wire work not being up to snuff I recall.)
Bit of a shame, while the Spock Walk is very artisitically impressive, the memory wall sequence would have given the film some much needed action-adventure exploring inside of V'ger.
This also tied into one of the original endings where, upon "ascending" v'ger released everything back to physical form, and the Klingons appeared over Earth, attacking the Enterprise and forcing a saucer seperation. There's concept art for that out there.
I have never seen this before those extended shots of the Klingon ships are fantastic👍🏾...thanks for posting this🖖🏾
Thanks - I wanted to share the clips when I realized nobody else had posted these online anywhere :)
Not only is this a really cool find, I didn't realize Apogee were involved with V'ger, I thought they were responsible for the opening only. Thanks for sharing!
Basically, Trumbull’s company did the Enterprise and Earth orbit shots and he brought in Drykstra’s Apogee to spread the workload for the rest.
There were a few other smaller companies under their wing too.
Thank you very much for posting this. I thought material like this would never see the light of day. You made my New Years!
Wow! 40 years later and we're still getting new unseen footage. Some of the new shots were clearly unfinished which is probably why they never made it into the final film, but seeing them is exciting nonetheless. I also loved the longer 'uncut' shots of the Klingon ships, those shots were probably trimmed to fit the music. Even just those few short seconds are worth it. Thank you for posting this.
This was great to see! Only the music seems out of place for a demo reel, I would have thought there would have been no music at all.
The music was very good too.
Wow, awesome footage, would have been great if some more of that made it to the final cut. Now I remember seeing TMP in the theater with my parents when I was five, and while I am obviously going on a 41 year old memory, I could have swore that the cut of the film I saw *did* have extra Klingon footage, in particular a visual of the Vger plasma torpedo absorbing the Klingon aft torpedo just before the Amar was vaporized. Does anybody else recall this, or did my 5 year old imagination just run wild with the movie ? (I was already hooked on TOS even at that age)
the Amar fires on it in this clip- ruclips.net/video/HCha8W5rQz0/видео.html
If you look closely, the final shot as present in the released film has the plasma sphere absorbing Amar's torpedo. It's probably just hard to see when not viewed on a 40' movie screen!
Very cool, thank you!
It’s all interesting but I think the shot of the Amar taking only partial damage at one point was best to be cut. Narratively, it has to be established that force would be useless in dealing with V’ger. While the Enterprise shields do indeed repel the first electro-ball, a hand wave of new screens and shields sets that up as putting our heroes in the same place as the Klingons: working outside standard contact procedures. Klingons attacked; got destroyed. Epsilon 9 tried scanning and placing it under a microscope; got destroyed. Enterprise meanwhile stopped and let V’ger make the first and got attacked but it doesn’t damage the Enterprise in the process allowing them to learn of the message meant for machine ears.
Showing partial damage nerfs the danger a little and opens up questions of V’ger’s daunting might.
When the Epsilon 9 commander is watching the internal feed from the Klingon ship, you see the Klingon bridge get jolted, as if the ship was hit but survived (that blast). I think that might be where the shot of the partial damage would have been inserted. When they cut that effect scene though they left the "bridge jolt" scene though, which seemed out of place in the final edit.
@@robakaspock8456 the bridge jolt could be rationalized as the Amar being rocked by the destruction of one of the other two warships.
I wish there was more behind the scenes vids for V'Ger. I really want to know how they did the Cloud and its layers and all that. I know it might be a simple thing, but I really wanna know. And V'Ger is probably the only real thing I like out of all of ST.
It was done with glass. If you watch the director's cut DVD they going into exactly how they did all that.
@@454brianbat I really need to get my hands on that DVD. Or find the video on RUclips here cuz five-to-one it's been uploaded somewhere.
@@Kalebfenoir Here it is. Amazon only had one DVD left.
www.amazon.com/Star-Trek-Picture-Directors-Collectors/dp/B00005JKHP/ref=sr_1_1?crid=17CA5SVAQA1MH&dchild=1&keywords=star+trek+the+motion+picture+directors+cut&qid=1628692924&sprefix=star+trek+the+motion+picture+di%2Caps%2C208&sr=8-1
Sense Of Scale here on RUclips has interviews with nearly the entire model crew for ST:TMP.
3:35 I wish the FX footage (if it still exists) would at least get transferred to HD and included as a special feature. I also find it interesting that the "green" paintjob seems to be retained in most of these shots.
What would be cool is if the Motion Picture got part of the George Lucas special edition treatment. Not the creation of wholly new VFX shots per sé. But where the original footage of each VFX element is cleaned up, scanned and re-comped digitally.
Some parts of these footages look real, like Vger flyover feels like the NASA filmed it. There is just something in that slow camera movement that reminds me of the space program of the 60s and 70s.
They (whoever) should finish this stuff and add it to the up-res'd (and hopefully polished) 2001 version. A fiercer battle with a half-absorbed D7 would really add some teeth to this movie which I already enjoy. I'd pay an extra 10 bucks. Hear that Viacom?
Could never understand why the Klingon ships didn’t just warp away from v ger after firing torpedos, when first ship destroyed.
Probably they were deep inside V'ger's own warp bubble, and couldn't engage their own drives until they got clear of it under impulse power.
Rob aka Spock please tell us you know where we can find the unedited, uncut transporter malfunction scene?
That scene was never completed with FX so I've never actually seen it and can't show you unfortunately. If I do come across any of the raw footage though I will post it!
Rob aka Spock thank you, you're awesome. I read around the web that the original incomplete scene had 6 people who died but reduced the scene to just Sonak and Kirk's ex-wife (novel canon but forgot her name) to make the scene more emotional.
It was said that Sonak was "hissing" in agony and the scene was longer and the woman reached out of the transporter pad with a skeletal hand before beaming back.
A lot of folks were traumatized in real life by that scene but I'm just curious, it also shows why Bones was checking to see if he was alright. I'll keep searching around the web too. See ya later.
Ok, the probe (ST - IV) versus VGR, who/what would win? ;-)
V’ger - it has 12th magnitude power and is AUs in diameter. V’ger is conscious, it was never established that the Probe is conscious. V’ger would probably hack into the Probe’s operating system and merge with it.
@@gordondavis6168 Assuming the probe's signal doesn't shut V'ger down first. Considering the effect the probe had on Earth's atmosphere, one could only wonder what it would do to the "cloud" that surrounded V'ger... assuming it even approached at all.
First two musical cues should be reversed.
Is one of the cruisers shielded itself from vger
No, that shot simply doesn't have the energy wave spreading across it. Since that shot was never used for the film, there was little reason to complete it
The last klingon ship survived?
It is an odd effects shot with interesting implications. The destructive force is clearly eating the ship starting with the nacelle, but just as it starts trailing the hull, it all stops. I wonder what the direction on that was.
A script draft I read once upon a time said that one of the whiplash bolts ate away only part of one of the ships. But it is then obliterated by another. I think the original intent was to show more of an actual battle between V'ger and the Klingons as if they had a fighting chance. Don't know if it was edited out because the FX weren't up to snuff, or they wanted to convey the futility of fighting V'ger.
Going all the way back, in the Phase II script, the Klingons engaged the intruder and were cut to pieces. But it was a genuine battle where one ship got an engine cut from the hull by an energy blast.
As the script evolved this turned into the whip-lash digitizing effect we see, and yes, the intention here is that the Klingons get part of their ship taken by the whip-lash, but not all of it.
@@Kalaida I would have loved to see a version where it eats off parts of the ship at a time, that would look awesome
Was it different lighting, or are those ships green? They don't even look like they have the same surface detail as what we saw in the movie.
The lighting might look different as this was transferred from an old videotape from 1980, but they are the same ships/models.
The studio model was in fact a dark avocado green, my guess is they changed the tint of the film during post production to make them appear grey.
@@MellowCorn-xs8bn Stills of this “green” version also appeared in the early Cinefex article about Apogee’s effects for the movie.
I don't think this is a demo reel. It looks like the final special effects seen in the movie, with a couple of unused shots thrown in.
It was made up and put out by the company that did those effects shots as a demo reel in 1980. This is just part of the reel - another part of the same reel is their effects shots of Battlestar Galactica which I have also uploaded here.
Do you know what a demo reel is? Its something you take to a company you are wishing to be employed/contracted by to show off and say "Look what I had made. I can make such things for you too"
@@k1productions87 Yes I know exactly what a demo reel is. If you watch closely you will see some footage that is either obviously demo, or obviously incomplete. Some of the other footage however is very complete, and obviously the Demo portion. For example, the stars in the background of the Klingons, or VGer in the background are what I would describe as the Completed Effects, while other parts show poor-quality torpedoes from the Klingons. And if you read the description of the video itself it says "This is the original 1980 demo reel from Apogee showcasing their effects for the movie Star Trek the Motion Picture. Included are additional previously unseen and extended scenes mostly involving the Klingon attack against the cloud / V'ger". Also, a demo reel would not include the music. This video is a combination of finished product + demo elements + unused elements + finished music.
@@markprince8437 A demo reel (or in my case in animation, a "show reel") most definitely WOULD have music. You don't show a studio something with no sound, the music provides ambiance and highlights what is being shown. The trick is to not go overboard with the editing to where it sounds like a music video LOL.
Some effects shots were never completed in the first place, and some were made differently before getting the final changes in the editing phase. Much of what we see here are the complete passes of the ships, not their cut-down version in the film.
For example, when the Klingon ship is flying away, we see it fire two aft torpedoes, the second one hitting the incoming energy blast. All one continuous shot in this reel, but it was not so in the movie.
Question 1: are you trying to imply that this is false, and no such demo reel was actually made?
Question 2: have you ever actually made a demo reel before, especially without the use of a computer?
The answer two both SHOULD be "no"
God even the demo reel makes me want to take a nap.
1:36
Not really a demo real, though, is it? It's just shots from TMP from the VHS which have been recorded by a VCR camcorder, then played, then recorded back. There's no demo reel here.
It literally is a demo reel put out by the effects company that did those shots. Thats a reason that some of those shots were not seen before in any version of the movie.
Other way around, bub. TMP is a finished, polished, and released version of the shots seen in this reel.
@@k1productions87 there’s definitely shots in this reel that aren’t in any cut of the film.
@@markus5862 Yes there are, and that is why "Sarcastic Star Trek"s assertion that these are just recorded from the film is false. Anybody who has seen TMP more than once can tell these are from the original master shots and preliminary effects shots, not the final film edits.
@@k1productions87 forgive me, I read it wrong. I thought people were kind of saying these were in the film and that the original poster was full of it