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Volkswagen is one of the largest car brands in the world. But in 2015, 3 college kids in West Virginia discovered something about their diesel cars that would change the company, and even change the American automotive landscape forever.
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What do you think about VW's punishment? Did they get off easy? Or was the EPA too hard on them?
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Superb presentation, and well researched as usual. VW absolutely deserved all the shame/penalties they received. There's a more sinister side to the dieselgate scandal. VW unethically used monkeys and humans during diesel engine emissions testing. Disgusting.
Just ordered one!
Vw messed up! Big time, and with the research on the probability of people dying earlier than expected, punishment was well deserved
Bro please upload weekly
I think volkswagen unfairly took all the spotlight for this. Bmw and MB did the same thing. I also think the emission standards for those kinds of cars is unfair, You can have a giant diesel truck to daily drive to your job at burger king polluting a ton more than those other diesel cars. Nox emissions aside they cause a lot less atmosphere pollution.
Right? Having Pickup trucks sold to regular run of the mill families (who don't use them commercially) not be subject to the same emissions regulations is just crazy.
@@Macintoshiba They are subject to emission regulations.The ones you see rolling coal have been modified to do that.Feds recently cracked down on companies sellings kits parts on amazon .Regs didn't kick in sooner because diesel fuel in US was so dirty low quality .Mercedes stopped selling filter trap equipped cars because they had so many failures ,customers demanding warranty work after buying poor quality fuel from truck stops , or using fuel oil to save a few cents.
BMW? Then why did the X5 passed the test? MB maybe, but not BMW.
I was an (off highway) diesel engine engineer when this scandal broke out. My coworkers and I laughed and laughed and this case became our go to engineering ethics case study for a few years until the Boeing 737 Max / MCAS disaster...
What happened in the Boeing accident?
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@@Sukkulents_ sleepy....737...
@@44_xiie_debrajbordoloi27 Software bug causing crashes. Airbus suffers from the problem of software-induced crashes too, but Boeings are sold on their ability to still fly when the computers fail, thanks to their physically connected flight controls. If fly-by-wire is used in Boeings, there is no reason to buy them over Airbus, which has better fuel efficiency, and it was revealed that 737MAX used a computer assist to make it fly like normal 737s, and upon failure... Boom.
@@44_xiie_debrajbordoloi27 Big bosses at Boeing rushed the plane to compete with new Airbus A320 NEO. So the newly added MCAS system caused fatal crashes due to some sensor malfunctions and shit. Just look it up it's such a clown show.
Am i illegal?
YOU ARE UNDER ARREST HANDS WHERE I CAN SEE THEM!!
@@go2hell746You mean tiers?
WAIT OH NO
Don't worry, bud
Yes and it's a good thing
Back in 2015 some independent engineers performed independents in Europe using a similarly specced Passat and the numbers they got 2.5x above the legal limit, not 40 times like reported in the US, then they performed the same test on an Opel Zafira and the results for that were above the reading range. Strangely, I didn't hear anything about this back home in the US.
Good coverage. Some small and big details you forgot to mention.
1. VW's TDI engines met Euro 4 (2005-2008) specs but failed w/ Euro 5 (2009-2013).
2. Meeting Euro 5 requires DEF (urea) injection into the exhaust -- a total (expensive) rework of the exhaust system.
3. VW CEO Winterkorn had ambitions to beat Toyota to become the world's largest automaker.
4. Top management was pressuring the entire organization to keep up sales/profit margin targets.
5. Mid-level VW engineers came up with the software cheat, but approval had to go up the command chain.
6. It's a subject of debate how far up the VW Management (not Engineering) org the scandal went.
You don't need AdBlue injection to get Euro5 certification because it has nothing to do with the Injection system in the first place.
Those TDI engines are amazing.
The Mercedes diesels here in Australia during this time were tested using actual on road tests, & they passed. In fact, their V6 diesels sold here in Australia are very quiet, almost impossible to tell the difference between the diesel & petrol ones, unless you look at the fuel cap.
Also Mercedes has diesel hybrids
@@MaticTheProto exactly. I've seen a couple of them.
The American ones would have passed too if Californian wasn't so.... unrealistic.
@@techtips1064 I’m adding a very interesting point here. Not to argue. Mercedes tested hybrid diesel cars in the 1970’s. Not sure what model they used, but I remember them being aimed at the taxi industry in Berlin.
theres gigantic fields of VWs now everywhere. They wont be sold anywhere, there is one in my relatively tiny hometown and they just stand there with the complete vehicle plus wheels attached.
Now i know why we received in the recent years here in Morocco a huge batch of VW Golfs and Jettas with orange turning indicators. Everyone knew that those cars were from the US and they were well equipped and suspiciously cheap. Also compared to the fuel consumption we used to get from 2.0l tdi's with the same horsepower, those cars were consumming much more fuel.
Ironically, morocco hosts annually a climat international event but at the same time diesel cars represents pretty much 90 percent of cars on road.
My friend still owns one of the recall TDI and he just installed a bigger turbo and an AWD system still runs and drives reliable
Bruh the TDI isnt the only problem here
This is eye opening. I've been shopping around for a new vehicle lately and of course I strongly consider mileage, emissions, and cost. Now knowing that diesel has everything I want yet isn't available due to the fact that I live in the wrong place is heartbreaking. I only wish that the true could be known.
Diesels are fucking awesome. Sadly, because of all these heavy, heavy laws on emissions, we can't use them to their full potential. Look at pickup trucks: the late 90's 12 Valve Cummins is capable of 22 mpg highway, and that's in a big ol' pickup truck. Nowadays, with all this DEF bullshit, you're never going to get nearly the same fuel economy out of a pickup, unless you do deletes and some illegal fuckery.
Diesel is absolutely hopeless as a fuel for a passenger car. Diesel for trucks, gasoline for people
@@joebloggs9941 sadly, many states ruined it for the people
@@joebloggs9941 looking at the other comments you've posted, you sound like a lunatic. have a great rest of your day
@@joebloggs9941 what you mean hopeless. I drive my mercedes e220 cdi in silent comfort everyday. I can drive long distances with a fully loaded car and still have less than 0,9 ltr per 10 km
These dieselgate cars are still on the road here in Czechia and I think most americans would be surprised just HOW MANY of them there are. And I understand why, they are reliable, fuel efficent and not so expensive to buy.
There was no noticeable change in atmospheric NO2 ppm after the recall was enacted. That means the VW NO2 levels were not contributing in a measurable way to atmospheric levels.
The EPA decided to arbitrarily tighten NO2 levels before this all happened to criminalize certain company products. They specified the required tests for certification and not other speed or circuit tests ( eg the mpg test). The company complied with the stated test conditions and passed. Every vehicle will have different mpg, CO2, NO2, etc, etc at different loads and fuel ratios. The emissions when a gasoline car is under max acceleration from a stop are off the charts. If you use 'jack rabbit' starts you won't get the sticker mpg estimate either.
The additional mgp's achieved with their software design worked out to lower the NO2 per mile because less fuel is burned per mile.
The EPA flew into a blind rage that their new arbitrary rules were worked around. Not one person can be found that was harmed by the diesel NO2 performance dodge, only the EPA sanctimonious egos.
Except it WASN'T a secret...
I had a Volkswagon salesman in Huntsville, AL explain the software to defeat the test as a feature and a reason to buy the car years before the whole "scandal" broke. I called him crazy and told him if what he was telling me were true it would be illegal. So, imagine my shock when his sales pitch turned out to be true.
How can people deliberately sell lies lucky our politicians are still hon-
Oh wait
I have zero sympathy for Volkswagen. in 2017 I got a 2008 Touareg from an auction missing only the key FOB. the dealership refused to do anything besides sell me a $300 dollar laser cut key/FOB after proof of ownership and would not program the key to the car at any cost. After being unable to do a thing with this car I sold it to a junk yard for 500 dollars because I did not have thousands of dollars to purchase diagnostic and key programming computers/equipment nor any straight forward information on how to do it myself... Good riddance VW and your terrible customer service (Manhattan Beach VW) LOVED THIS VIDEO!!!
That was an official vw dealership?
VCDS is a VAG OBD2 diagnostic and programming software. it is 200 dollars usd for the registration cable, the software is free, and you can program a key FOB and diagnose engine problems with it.
The main reason Americans don't buy diesels goes back to GM in the '70s and '80s. They made a couple of models with diesel engines, but rather than downscale one of their truck engines they adapted them from gasoline engines. The problem was they didn't fully account for the much higher compression of a diesel engine, and they didn't include a water separator, so the engines had a tendency to blow up. Add to that they were smoky and you needed a calendar to measure their 0-60 time, which was downright dangerous when merging onto a highway, and they didn't last long.
Will you do a follow-up story on the other German diesel manufactures that were caught in the same scam?
Like who?
@@SuperSaqer It wasn't the Germans, but the Americans who cheated, with the diesel pickups
I'm still surprised that they got away with it for so long. We had a Diesel Car and changed it for a petrol car years before the scandal started, because it was pretty obvious to us that something was wrong and would become publicly known in a few years. If you have even the slightest knowledge of car technology, you know that a Diesel Car just can't be cleaner than a petrol car, because it is using a heavier type of oil. It’s basically like using heavy oil, the stuff that ships use and can’t use in the harbour because they’d poison everyone near them, and then tell people that it’s super clean.
This is a great example of why we can't have nice things. The EPA is just the worst. Imagine how much more efficient cars could be
I am not in Australia, but I can see that some in the US wants to get rid of the EPA, because they hate regulations and anti-competitive. What this episode exposes is that this is about greed, pure greed!
General Motors killed any car diesel development in the US in the late 70s and early 80s by trying to make a diesel engine out of a gasoline engine block. (bless their hearts) They didn't put a water filter between the fuel tank and the Roosa Master high pressure pump (I never did like that rotary pump), causing the pump internals and injection nozzles to rust. They also didn't use strong enough head bolts or add head bolts to the 5.7L gas block. The bolts would stretch and blow head gaskets. Those were the two biggest issues I can remember but there were a few others. I honestly believe if GM had been successful with the 5.7L diesel, things could have been different here in the US car market because when they ran good, large GM diesel cars were getting pretty decent fuel milage compared to gasoline equivalents and, for a few years, there were plenty of people buying them.
Spot on! GM did for diesel autos what Enron did to the energy trading market -- destroying a product that had the potential for great public benefit all in the name of profits. Worse, GM management knew about the diesel engine issues and did nothing about the design defects in their diesel engines until it was far, far too late.
[Read Bob Lutz's book "Car Guys vs. Bean Counters: The Battle for the Soul of American Business Car Guys vs. Bean Counters: The Battle for the Soul of American Business" about his experience at GM. According to Lutz, GM bureaucracy makes the most incompetent government bureaucracy look like a model of effectiveness and efficiency.]
I had a 1975 VW Rabbit Diesel and it was a fantastic car. It got 50 mpg on the highway, about 35 in heavy stop-and-go city driving. The only issue I had was when the head gaskets blew out in under 20,000 miles. That was caused by the dealer's mechanic failure to perform the 500 miles factory-mandated adjustment which included tightening the head bolts. [Instead, I was billed for the "sunshine treatment" for that 500 mile service; that is the car was parked in the exact same spot as where I left it in the morning -- it never made it into a service bay.] After that fiasco (which VW's area manager was extremely helpful), the car ran without trouble for over a decade.
Based on my recommendation, my close friends bought a Passat Diesel, which also ran perfectly for over a decade. By then, however, this scandal had come to light and they took advantage of every monetary award. When they did finally trade in their Passat, they had to pay only a fraction of the cost for a new Passat (but gas-powered this time) thanks to the buybacks and refunds.
and in germany meanwhile it was basically swept under the rug, we of course knew that it happened, but it took a long time to even get any money out of it and not even close to an actual buyback iirc
Who would have thought a car company that started off so ethical and well (wink, wink) would have turned out to be the baddies, Hans!
Unlike the American companies right? RIGHT?
@@MaticTheProto You may want to read a bit more history. @Jeff-cn9up
is referring to Hitler, which is where VW got it's start.
@@resistanceisfutile Ford was hitler's biggest fan.
@@resistanceisfutile no shit sherlock, I am German.
And ford got a medal from Hitler
@@resistanceisfutile Germany at least took care of the Germans, contrast that with Dodge VS Ford, a law suit against Ford Motor Co. for raising wages. I'm pretty sure the USA and the USSR were the bad guys now that the dust has been settled for almost a century.
VW should have gotten Nobel Prize, not fines or prison!
GM- Pontiac did the same thing years earlier. When scanner the AC would shutdown and run cleaner
Great content, thank you. It’s sad that VW can get away with acts like this here in my home country South Africa. We have a massive VW on the east coast of our country, but I’m not aware of one TDi being recalled in South Africa. Please can you confirm this?
What I find funny about the emissions scandal is that it was so scandalous in a country that to this day seems to have no care for the environment and emissions whatsoever.
VW might have been a little sneaky, and fraudulent, and they might have crossed some legal borders as well. But be aware that the cars in question still had far better emissions than most other cars on the road at the time.
My 3 Series Tourer Diesel genuinely does 50mpg. It can also do 0-60 in 7.5seconds and tops out at 145mph... It's also a family stationwagon. It has four wheel drive and pulls like a train
It's now on 160,000 miles. It runs like clockwork (oilchange every 8000 miles)
Great bit of engineering. Diesels per se are not evil
nobody should ever trust these claimed MPG marketing shenanigans or the "independent tests". All manufacturers are allowed to have their car tested in scenarios that no real-world cars are used
Growing up in 1995, my best friends, mom had a diesel Passat with a manual transmission. It changed everything I thought about diesels, it revved higher than I thought, and had lots of power seemed very reliable, and the smell… Something about the smell of that German leather interior mixed with diesel fumes was intoxicating in a good way. I thought this was the antithesis of what it meant to be European, which was of course, much better as the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence, we hills European standards on a pedestal
Having studied auto tech at uni I can tell you this was common knowledge and all manufacturers do it. "A bunch of collage kids" didn't figure anything out
Unbelievable that regulators were unable to do, what does 3 kids were able to do. Was somebody at the regulators held accountable for that??
The EPA was right. The Pollution of a Diesel is different to Petrol. Particulates in Diesels are the Carcinogens we should be Scared of. With more complex Catalytic Converters they can be cleaned up a lot. Personally, I would use 2 of them in every Diesel Car and, more importantly, Truck. And use low revs to start with (in the 1st 10 minutes) to Warm up the Cats so that they begin to work properly. Just saying.
VW did nothing wrong. I love my MK2 diesel without cat, it runs great without problems and consumes almost nothing. Also it runs clean enough, no black smoke or something like that. I totally don't care about TDI or clean diesel stuff.
Less fuel per mile meant less tax income, so in Europe diesel was declared toxic, and bad for the environment. So then came the switch back to gasoline in Europe
Hats off to VW for ensuring thousands upon thousands of customers got much lower road tax. They saved ordinary working class people collective billions, repect for looking out for the little guy.
Very good story telling as usual. I'm curious why you didn't touch on how this resulted in the discovery of other manufacturers doing the same thing?
Only VW/Audi cheated that way. (by disabling the NOx filtering system in real world conditions) As said in the video, the BMW X5 passed the emissions test. One can argue that all manufacturers try to make their results look better, but it's not comparable to what VW did.
@@jean-philippethomas1607 Uhh, no.
GM Cheated in the same way, Ford Cheated in the same way and Stellantis cheated in the same way (at least with the Trucks), that's just scratching the surface.
@@Dexter037S4 Can you provide me a link that explains the cheating method they used ? I'm from France and I'm not familiar with the tricks they used on the US market.
In Europe, only VW/Audi went as far a disabling the filtering system. Other brands played with the operating temps of the NOx filter. It's not comparable.
@@Dexter037S4 yeah, but they're american cars on american market, they cannot possibly do that to your own people, can you? ;)
I remember buying into all the positive claims and thinking my next car would be a Volkswagen diesel when I found out they were lying to us. So scandalous and sad.
its okay that they were lying, at least their cars were good. However, the eco-activists bring nothing but chaos and destruction into societies.
Postmodernism and deconstructionism have led to a severe erosion of reverence for truth across Western culture. This scandal is a relatively minor example. The censored and flawed science centered on a certain disease and its "cures" is a recent example. The censored and flawed science about the "weather" goes back for decades. These cases have led to serious infringements on people's quality of life and perhaps millions of unnecessary deaths. And the net of lies broadens when one considers the performance of the mainstream media, social media moderators, and politicians whose policies of censorship, propaganda, restrictions on movement, corruption, and show trials. And then there are NGOs and universities spewing so-called "critical" theory. There's a lot of politics involved in the current establishment culture of untruth. The sad part is that many educated people are onboard with the culture of lies. Lots of intellectual over-confidence out there.
I own one of those rangers at 1:15. Never thought I'd see it on RUclips 😂
Them 3 kids are still lucky to be alive,we all know what happens when people talk and effect companies revenue.
"something too big for even the state of California to deal with"
That could be literally anything.
Gasoline vs Diesel: Apples vs Oranges. Diesel weighs 20% more, so gets 20% better mileage (and range), but costs 20% more.
It’s crazy that so many manufacturers did this, even Harley Davidson did the EXACT same thing at the SAME TIME but they got away with it because they just doubled down on being “ALL AMERICAN RAHH🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅” and was never heavily publicized
We need to get rid of the government. Nobody should tell you what you can and cannot drive.
funny.. The Supreme Court has ruled that the EPA has not right to enact any laws recently. Therefore, in reality, since there was no legislative laws, nobody broke any American laws.
VW went on to win an Ignoble award for chemistry. Sadly no live feed to accept the award from the Sing Sing correctional facility.
People say that the companies are bad for this should touch grass. Diesels are more economical run longer and are tougher motors. Now we cant have diesel cars because of stupid college professors that say electric cars are better for the environment than diesel cars.
I'm amazed VW really thought they wouldn't get caught? Wouldn't the low emission dyno test then yield low power output, and in turn start raising questions in the other direction leading to the same issue being found out
I guess someone knew the testing process didnt look for those numbers
Last winter I saw a 2019 Mitsubishi Triton diesel with 22,000 miles on the clock idling on a building site merrily puffing out so much solvent-stink blue smoke (note: piston ring smoke under deceleration is acrid-smelling - soupy - but this was solvent-like at idle meaning rich mixtures) when I walked past that I went into such a coughing fit I thought I was going to die (I don't smoke but I'm older and I suffer from bronchitis). I reported it to the pollution authorities. This may sound harsh, but last winter was really bad for me - and I don't think penny-pinching bastard companies like Mitsubishi should hide away while Volkswagen gets hung out to dry.
WHEN are our gutless politicians going to go through the entire diesel engine industry and clean it up? Running a hired truck at revs sitting still for several minutes to 'clean' a Hino diesel particulate filter (and no - you couldn't just drive it at 40 mph - that made NO difference), or having to buy UREA to put in your truck to clean the exhaust are just examples of the industry giving up trying to design a clean-burning engine.
I heard in addition to the USA, several other countries investigated this scandal including Germany, England, India, and others.
“Most Americans don’t care about the environment”
When you add that to the weekly school shootings it makes the stories about paedophilia and cannibalism so much easier to believe too.
Ah, the infamous Volkswagen Diesel Scandal. This shows that lying and deceiving can be caught. All this was possible because modern vehicles are controlled by a computerized electronic engine controller that has a sophisticated proprietary computer program in it that only the manufacturer knows about. So Volkswagen was able to hide a cheat code in the program that determined two different programs to run. If the engine controller detected an emissions test, it ran the emissions control program. If the computer detected normal driving, it ran a more power output and more fuel economy program. And the Volkswagen executives thought that no one would discover it. But then some college students decided to compare the emissions on an emissions test to the emissions in regular driving and discovered the cheat, that smog emissions were a lot higher on regular driving. Thus these students exposed and blew the cover on Volkswagen's cheating.
Just do something like an OTA update that locks all the cars in the dyno testing mode.
You really had to add the 9 in 34.69 billion dollar 😂
I had a customer, German chap, told me he left VW under cloud over these emissions. Later got job BMW then JLR, so watch out.
Tuner told me he could see different mapping on WV golfs he tuned. Easy if car has motion sensor, if it's not moving, run a different map.
forcing a car brand to pay to associations that encourage people to buy cars that theoretically pollute more really shows in what place we live in
well, i thought the us legal system was a joke, which honestly, yeah, it kind of is, but it is nice to see that they actually held vw executives responsible for their crap and they actually got arrested, thing that doesn't happen on this side of the pond, big companies almost always get away scott free with no responsibles held accountable, and our taxes increased to pay up for their money heists... good to know they did get arrested, that is nice
Dirty Diesel Cars, and the smell of Dirty Diesel Buses' smoke makes me extremely sick especially living near by the Welland Bus terminal in Welland, Ontario, Canada. Also Being a gas attendant, and servicing diesel at the Winger Gas Station out in Wainfleet in 1980 and 1984 at age 20 & 24 years old made me sick also. Any old or even new Volkwagons were dirty diesel running cars big time.
at the end where he claims that diesel gate costs lifes, i have to ask you guys, given the amount of disel trucks arround the globe, why should a few vw cars be the problem ? truth is, the real emissions from vw cars arent really that "bad" they just arent as "super clean"
VW wasn't right about diesel because the downside diesels for the local environment has always out weighed its benefits on the larger scale. Its something we will see in a big way as electric vehicles take over from gasoline. The removing of billion of pollution spewing vehicles will produce dramatic improvement to local environments. It will like the improvement we received from going from horse to to engines but this time it will be the local air instead of the local roads (from removal of all that horse manure) that will be improved.
I remember when my aunt used to drive a VW Golf. Best thing about those cars is easy parking.
I just thought of something. Why does there seem to be no diesel based hybrids?
TDI is Turbo Diesel injection. NOT Turbo direct injection
60 people?! Are you serious? Are you sane?! More people committed suicide while this video aired...
7:54 to skip the ad
I dont own a VW diesel, I have a Mercedes diesel and love it, cheap to run and very economical, I have no idea of it impact on the environment. To me its the fuel cost. From New Zealand so my experience my differ from the USA
Everytime Germany wants something better for us, some deep pocket man wants to stop it
there are a lot of reasons one would choose a regular gas engine over a diesel engine, and i dislike that you just blame it on 'it's the american way' rather than pointing out that diesel engines cost more than a comparative gas engine, and if you get into an accident that damages the engine it's much more $ as well. I can't remember the other benefits/detractions, but it's not just americans waking up like 'a gas car shows i love my country!' or something lol
"And Id have gotten away with it too - if it weren't for those meddling kids"
So the car got 70 miles to the gallon. Even if it was 50 wouldn't that be a huge offset in carbon emissions... I mean if everyone was driving something like this it would reduce the need for fuel by half!
VW were the first to be found but others did the same. This includes Honda, Nissan, Mitsubishi, BMW and Mercedes, god knows how many
I never heard of this scandal I might have but never payed attention to the news on this
All this for overvelous emitions regulations. A diesel car getting 60 mpg is better for the environment than a gasoline car getting 30. The less emission systems in a car the more mpg it gets. Meanwhile we have planes producing unfiltered exhaust gasses and burning fuel in volumes several thousand times more than cars. A international plane ride is the equivalent of running many cars for many years non stop.
Meanwhile other country's have no regulations and contribute nothing to help this "global warming". Its not about saving the planet, it's another form of government control. Other than reimbursing people for the "illegal" cars Volkswagen sold, where did all that money Volkswagen had to pay go and how was it used? That money went straight into the pockets of the EPA and government officials. Not a cent used for alternative fuel research or the betterment of people in anyway. There are bigger problems to solve than the climate "crisis", over empowered and corrupt governments imposing a system that no longer benefits the people being a large one.
Screw it! I would drive one of these 70mpg death machines. Sign me up!
To be honest I don't care if they did that, climate control is getting out of hand
I owned a '98 Passat, and a 2002 GTI, both gas. They had the typical VW failures of window regulators, coil packs, and even a door handle. Fun to drive, especially the Passat, but I was hesitant to go back to VW BEFORE this scandal. This would make me never trust them again. Nice job on the editing in this video.
diesel is also less cost efficient overall...
in the us
Kinda bizarre to think that they hid something so controversial for so long.
There was no real controversy in it... Only in eco freaks heads.
The goal in all of this was money, not justice. VW did it for money and those going after them also did it for money.
All these cars would be awesome bio diesel cars!! Biodiesel is a fantastic fuel!!! It also helps farmers producing biodiesel crops!!!!
If it would have been an US company it would have ended with a slap on the wrist
Imagine if they had just bought the cats from Mercedes instead of lying and dropping stocks 20%...and then having to offer buy backs to 11 million people.
As much as I know, the 1.9TDI engine is still The Crowned King, in the eastern european countries....along with the 1.5DCI from renault. Nobody gives a flying fk about "the enviroment", it's about practicality, economy and endurance. I personaly had a 1.5DCI with more than 500.000Km (320.000 miles, I guess) on it's shoes and still going strong, without any problems. Not to mention that there are taxi drivers with 800.000+ Km on 1.5DCI (drivened exclusively in the city), no catalytic converters no other exhaust filters, nothing (and fk you, EGR valve!). In EU coutries! I'd like to see an electrictric after 10 years beating that! No way in hell! It will be the same e-waste sht, much like the last year IPhone.
So, I think it's time to cut the crap with "the environment" 'n sh*t, and "Oooh! 60 people died 10 years earlier than "the norm".....that's baaaaad!", and talk about the cobalt, mined in DR Congo by kids, would you?
Ahm...did you also saw, how is lithium extracted and processed? Or how about, how the hell will we solve the problem with the electric cars that after just 10 years of lifespan (or maybe earlier for some of them), we'll have to throw them directly into the garbage, when the batteries will die? And currently, nobody have the technology to recycle all those batteries. Furthermore, I wonder, how the electric grid of my city will deal in the summer at 40 degrees, with all the air conditions (about 2.8 millions, to be more precise), all in the same time and all the potential "projected" number of the electric cars plugged in, to recharge. Aaaaahm....whata thought! 🤣 Naaaah....! But it will be fine! Let's all jump in to the electric wet dream I say! It's just soooo "greeeeeen"!....🤌👌😂😂😂
No obviously they shouldn’t have lied, but the EPA should never have existed to begin with.
too bad they never incorporated all of that fuel efficiency tech into their cars
Yeah WVU. although I don't know if it's fair to say "all" of their vehicles. It had to of happened at some point when somebody said can we make it cheaper, can we add more marketing fluff!
The crooks got caught!
seems like they optimized for the test. I don't see anything wrong with that. its the test that should be more thorough
Frankly, they should have been forced to close down, a cheating brand name should not survive, well done to all those clever Americans that found this out.
that funny. today many of them CommonRail injectors broke.
This explained the quantum field! 🤣
Massive company markets big pro environment play while doing literally the exact opposite behind closed doors. So basically they were pioneering the modern business model 😂
And here I was thinking how good VW was
In Europe they are the greatest car manufacturer btw
thanks college guys
You should finally pay as much for gasoline as the rest of the world. No matter how high your prices were, you have never paid half as much for 1 liter as we do here in Germany. Your cars like to blow out over 20 liters per 100 km (TDI = 5-7 l), which is a catastrophe and would make every normal family here poor. It's a joke that our tax money was invested in a clean America by VW...
Really what are Americans:
ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME MY MY MY MY MY MY MY MY MY MY MY MY
Nah, When diesel gets cold it gels.
Hair follicles do not produce odor, genius
Im really surprised they managed to criminally charge the CEO and top execs as usually it never gets blamed on a personal level.
Germany has been making a mission of prosecuting evil - anything from WWII Nazi era to current day corporate fraud.
That is the way the law in the EU is.
they tried to blame it on some rogue engineers here in europe at the beginning of all of that - the EU and german gov didn't let them get away with it.
The EU is actually competent in stuff like this unlike the US justice system
I guarantee you it's because they weren't one of the big 3 american brands.
This needs to happen in other industries. Like big Pharma and food processing companies.
...and Big Pot, Big Booze, those people that lie about infomercials and pseudo-educational programming not being Satanic indoctrination on Saturday mornings...
The problem with big pharma and food processing companies is that government officials are in bed with them. To do this, it would basically put half the NIAID FDA, and CDC in prison. Not to mention Elected officials. So a slim chance it will ever happen. Big Pharma and food processing companies are heavily regulated and pay off officials to look the other way. This scandal is way bigger than VW ever was.
Im really glad WW got such a severe punishment but i only wish it was same for all companies. WW might have killed people with their scandal but you know which company killed people, hundreds of people with very similar cost saving scandal?? BOEING and they could get away with only 2.5 billion dollars only because they are an American company, if Airbus did exactly same thing that figure was at least 25 billion dollars...
It happens in the pharmaceutical industry.
You need certification to bring out a medicine. Some systems, in some countries, are corrupted, like in the USA, where the gains justifies the needs. But it was a political choice of those countries to make their top renowned institution, a living joke.
Other countries have strict standard and will continue to apply them.
Then, in term of punishments. Yes. There are problems with much too long procedures and trials happening decades after the scandals.
But lets be honest with each other ? Would the lawsuit and punishments have been this swift with GM or Ford ? We all know what punishment GM received when they killed peoples with their faulty cars.
And politicians
You left out the bit where Mercedes made a deal to avoid any and all prosecution for their emissions cheating. The entire software trick can be traced back to Bosch. Almost everyone that used Bosch DME was able to use the software cheating. Most brands did, but they just didn't get targeted by the US government.
Yeah vw was the 1st to get caught so they took the brunt of it but many brands in europe was found to be doing the same thing
In uk there is a class action against Mercedes diesels and most manufacturers
Sure - but *Peugot/Citroen* (one of the largest manufacturers of diesel enginges worldwide) chose *not* to exploit the loophole left in the EU Emmissions Testing regimen, whereas VW decided to 'cheat' in this way, by exploiting this loophole. VW should not have remained undetected for so long. See my comment above.
@@timelwell7002 Actually the Volkswagengroup just took the biggest L in America I feel like. Here in Europe FiatChrysler and PeugeotCitroen to this day, still get coverage from the the Italian and or French goverment, heck even Opel (ex. GM brand) and Mercedes as well as BMW cheated just not as much as VW did in the U.S.
Other manufacturers are Chevrolet (smaller european models like the Cruze or the Captiva), Suzuki, Land Rover, Jaguar, MINI, Renault, Nissan, Mitsubishi, Alfa Romeo, (Lancia I'm not so sure about since as far as I know they just used Fiats small 1.3 JTDm Diesel which passed the emission testing).
I think only Honda and Toyota as well as Daihatsu didn't cheat on the emissions.
@@chriskonte1909 Could you please provide any evidence that Peugot/Citroen cheated in this way? If they did, my guess is that because they hardly ever export their cars to North America, the Yanks have not teste them.