There is no short answer to this question, but l am from a community in Philadelphia, these catechesis(talks) end in a retreat weekend and after that for those who want to continue they enter a community. This community is like a school of Faith so it’s basically adult faith formation for catholics who’s formation is not at a level of mature faith(which is probably most catholics in the US) and is more on a religious level like going to mass on Sunday try to be good and so forth. But that’s not Christianity which is a living faith, hence the quote to live out baptism. Most of us were baptized as infants and the question put to our Godparents is what do you want for this child? The answer is baptism and the next question is and what does baptism give you? And that answer is Faith and Faith gives Eternal Life which is just what it says Life Eternal(forever) the thing is most Catholics don’t live with this mentality that Jesus Christ has conquered Death and we have a share in that reality because of our baptism but baptism isn’t just water on the head. We receive the seed of Baptism that needs to be nurtured all life long and that’s where the formation comes in to play so we can live out Baptism. The reality of living out Baptism living our lives as if death has been overcome which means facing the reality that the suffering we experience every day has meaning and it’s not something to run away from because that’s where we sin by running away from suffering which is a symbol of the cross. So without Faith we will always run away and avoid suffering and as a society that is our mindset all the time even most Catholics and it doesn’t mean we are bad or can’t go to Heaven but it’s also no necessarily Christianity which is living out Baptism.
@@brianmcguckin6895 So your telling me I don't have a mature faith because all I do is go to mass on Sunday? And the only way to be a ture Christian is to live eternity now by excepting all suffering as God's will.
@@sswogXXIII Sorry, I am not saying anything to you personally I don’t know you. But l was just trying to answer your question in the context of the podcast/interview. With that being said just going to mass on Sunday doesn’t mean someone has a mature adult Faith. Mature adult Faith means having the same faith as Jesus which is having his same Spirit within us which is what is given to us at Baptism. By Baptism we are born into the life, suffering,death and resurrection of Jesus. So yes Eternal life does not mean the afterlife it is something we can have and experience now on Earth. Ricardo had an experience of Eternal life as he stated in his witness of his parents dead marriage being resurrected. That also was my experience with my wife in our marriage that was dead (she had a brother that got divorced and l had a brother that got divorced ) and we we’re headed there also when we attended these talks in our parish. We experienced the resurrection in our marriage and also life taken out of death because after our 3rd child my wife was voluntarily sterilized as the ultimate form of birth control but by the grace of God after hearing of God’s loving plan for our life the sterilization of my wife was surgically reversed with no guarantees to conceive but our fourth child was born on the feast of the immaculate conception. So we also experienced new life out of a dead womb. Which leads to God’s will and suffering. Jesus Spirit the spirit he wants to give us In Baptism is his nature but a Supernatural spirit. Our human nature is weak and limited so it never occurs to us that our suffering has meaning and can be redemptive so we fight a losing battle all life long of trying to avoid suffering at all costs even though it is a reality of our human existence. The cross is a symbol of everything that kills us or makes us suffer every day. Jesus Spirit did not run away from the cross but entered into it trusting in the Fathers plan and will (Faith) for his mission on earth. Whereas our nature like that of even the apostles who scattered at the crucifixion. And even before when Jesus told Peter that he would suffer at the hands of men and die on the cross, Peter said no Lord, I will not let that happen and Jesus rebuked him Saying get behind the Satan, you are thinking as men of the world and not as God thinks.
As far as God’s will and suffering God does not will or want us to suffer but it is a reality as a result of original sin. But he had a plan ofsalvation for all mankind Since to beginning. God either wills or ordains All human and cosmic events that means the big things and a little things that happened to us every day. Two ordain means to allow so it is his will as far as allowing suffering. Saint Augustine said God will not allow anything bad to happen to anyone without already in his divine Providence planning to draw a greater good to come out of it. My sin and selfishness manifested itself in my marriage to have children you die you lose your life your time, your money, your sleep you suffer, so I didn’t want to be open to life, which means being open to love. Because I didn’t have eternal life, I didn’t want to die none of us do unless we have Jesus’s risen spirit inside of us gets back to baptism, but it’s a lifelong battle of faith, because you can lose it, so it’s not really a matter who has it and who doesn’t we have to grow in faith and that’s where lifelong formation comes in to play. Abraham is the father of Faith and his was a lifelong journey. So to live out Your baptism is to seek to live your life with the gift of the supernatural grace that was given to us. So I am just trying to give examples of everyday mature acts of faith. Mature faith is Jesus spirit that has overcome Death. Jesus says Love your enemies and l don’t know about you but I have trouble loving the people around me, let alone my enemies. Without Faith impossible but with faith l can can forgive and love even people around me who act like an enemy
@@brianmcguckin6895 It's okay bother, Apology accepted. And I agree with you. Going to these very gay liturgies called "mass" or "Eucharist " which are filled with effeminacy and sentimentality will not given anyone an adult faith. Believe me I know. As for your ( spirit/ resurrection /experience) or what ever you want to call it, Let just call it Faith. It can only be give by God and he determines how much you received and he infusion it into your intellect which then strengthens your will and enlightens your intellect. It's not that complicated. Prepare your self brother. As soon as kiko passes away. Rome has prepare to dismantle the way and how things are run. Many will be scandalized and taken by surprise. They are infiltrators in every continent. It will be gradual but affective. Take care Brother.
Great episode, very interesting learning about their ministries! So glad I got to meet them.
Great sharing 😊
Saludos desde California
What does it mean "to live out Baptism "?
There is no short answer to this question, but l am from a community in Philadelphia, these catechesis(talks) end in a retreat weekend and after that for those who want to continue they enter a community. This community is like a school of Faith so it’s basically adult faith formation for catholics who’s formation is not at a level of mature faith(which is probably most catholics in the US) and is more on a religious level like going to mass on Sunday try to be good and so forth. But that’s not Christianity which is a living faith, hence the quote to live out baptism. Most of us were baptized as infants and the question put to our Godparents is what do you want for this child? The answer is baptism and the next question is and what does baptism give you? And that answer is Faith and Faith gives Eternal Life which is just what it says Life Eternal(forever) the thing is most Catholics don’t live with this mentality that Jesus Christ has conquered Death and we have a share in that reality because of our baptism but baptism isn’t just water on the head. We receive the seed of Baptism that needs to be nurtured all life long and that’s where the formation comes in to play so we can live out Baptism. The reality of living out Baptism living our lives as if death has been overcome which means facing the reality that the suffering we experience every day has meaning and it’s not something to run away from because that’s where we sin by running away from suffering which is a symbol of the cross. So without Faith we will always run away and avoid suffering and as a society that is our mindset all the time even most Catholics and it doesn’t mean we are bad or can’t go to Heaven but it’s also no necessarily Christianity which is living out Baptism.
@@brianmcguckin6895 So your telling me I don't have a mature faith because all I do is go to mass on Sunday?
And the only way to be a ture Christian is to live eternity now by excepting all suffering as God's will.
@@sswogXXIII Sorry, I am not saying anything to you personally I don’t know you. But l was just trying to answer your question in the context of the podcast/interview. With that being said just going to mass on Sunday doesn’t mean someone has a mature adult Faith. Mature adult Faith means having the same faith as Jesus which is having his same Spirit within us which is what is given to us at Baptism. By Baptism we are born into the life, suffering,death and resurrection of Jesus. So yes Eternal life does not mean the afterlife it is something we can have and experience now on Earth. Ricardo had an experience of Eternal life as he stated in his witness of his parents dead marriage being resurrected. That also was my experience with my wife in our marriage that was dead (she had a brother that got divorced and l had a brother that got divorced ) and we we’re headed there also when we attended these talks in our parish. We experienced the resurrection in our marriage and also life taken out of death because after our 3rd child my wife was voluntarily sterilized as the ultimate form of birth control but by the grace of God after hearing of God’s loving plan for our life the sterilization of my wife was surgically reversed with no guarantees to conceive but our fourth child was born on the feast of the immaculate conception. So we also experienced new life out of a dead womb. Which leads to God’s will and suffering. Jesus Spirit the spirit he wants to give us In Baptism is his nature but a Supernatural spirit. Our human nature is weak and limited so it never occurs to us that our suffering has meaning and can be redemptive so we fight a losing battle all life long of trying to avoid suffering at all costs even though it is a reality of our human existence. The cross is a symbol of everything that kills us or makes us suffer every day. Jesus Spirit did not run away from the cross but entered into it trusting in the Fathers plan and will (Faith) for his mission on earth. Whereas our nature like that of even the apostles who scattered at the crucifixion. And even before when Jesus told Peter that he would suffer at the hands of men and die on the cross, Peter said no Lord, I will not let that happen and Jesus rebuked him Saying get behind the Satan, you are thinking as men of the world and not as God thinks.
As far as God’s will and suffering God does not will or want us to suffer but it is a reality as a result of original sin. But he had a plan ofsalvation for all mankind Since to beginning. God either wills or ordains All human and cosmic events that means the big things and a little things that happened to us every day. Two ordain means to allow so it is his will as far as allowing suffering. Saint Augustine said God will not allow anything bad to happen to anyone without already in his divine Providence planning to draw a greater good to come out of it. My sin and selfishness manifested itself in my marriage to have children you die you lose your life your time, your money, your sleep you suffer, so I didn’t want to be open to life, which means being open to love. Because I didn’t have eternal life, I didn’t want to die none of us do unless we have Jesus’s risen spirit inside of us gets back to baptism, but it’s a lifelong battle of faith, because you can lose it, so it’s not really a matter who has it and who doesn’t we have to grow in faith and that’s where lifelong formation comes in to play. Abraham is the father of Faith and his was a lifelong journey. So to live out Your baptism is to seek to live your life with the gift of the supernatural grace that was given to us. So I am just trying to give examples of everyday mature acts of faith. Mature faith is Jesus spirit that has overcome Death.
Jesus says Love your enemies and l don’t know about you but I have trouble loving the people around me, let alone my enemies. Without Faith impossible but with faith l can can forgive and love even people around me who act like an enemy
@@brianmcguckin6895 It's okay bother, Apology accepted.
And I agree with you. Going to these very gay liturgies called "mass" or "Eucharist " which are filled with effeminacy and sentimentality will not given anyone an adult faith. Believe me I know.
As for your ( spirit/ resurrection /experience) or what ever you want to call it,
Let just call it Faith.
It can only be give by God and he determines how much you received and he infusion it into your intellect which then strengthens your will and enlightens your intellect.
It's not that complicated.
Prepare your self brother.
As soon as kiko passes away.
Rome has prepare to dismantle the way and how things are run.
Many will be scandalized and taken by surprise. They are infiltrators in every continent. It will be gradual but affective.
Take care Brother.