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For me, the best hauler isn't something that people see as a hauler: the Orca. I shield tank it, I have two shield bursts and a DC2. With my skills it has over 400k EHP and if I overheat the shield tanks, it squeeks to just over 500k EHP. Combine that with 200m3 of drones and you can give them a bad day. My cargo bay is about 25k m3, the fleet bay is 40k m3 and the ship maintenance bay is 400k m3 (you can transport fully fitted ships in this bay!) Oh and don't forget the mining hold of 180k m3. If you have the skills, why would you use anything else?
Orca's are over 2 billion now so people might gank it just for the KM. Difference is a DST can do a cloak + MWD trick to effectively be immune from cargo scanners. Orca does not have the same luxury.
On an orca you're actually better off not using shield extenders and just adding in shield hardeners. Basically, the Orca has a lot of base shield HP and no bonuses to shield extender HP like battleships. A T2 LSE will increase raw shield HP on an orca by less than 10%, where a shield hardener even with stacking penalties will be able to beat that in terms of EHP gain.
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DUDE!!!!! This fit literally just saved me!! I was webbed,scrammed and nuted but I was able to slow boat back to gate and jump out!!!! They barely got into the armor. Thanks man!!! 🤘QUICK ADDENDUM: I bravely/stupidly went back through about 15 minutes later. I swapped the plates for a stab and when I jumped through (they tried again 👹) I was this time able to warp through to my next gate. So, I'd say: Drop the plate and fit a warp core stabilizer.
Several comments - From all my experimentation, the best hauler is the Mastodon. Reaches 151k EHP heated with shield extenders / shield rigs, DCII + 3 x Inertia Stabs in lows. It has a normal warp of 10 sec. In null, low sec, you will get scrammed and will die if you dont use MWD / Cloak which reduces your warp to zero and makes you unlockable for the mwd cycle time. If you add nirvanas to your travels, you will have 200k ehp. And all of the above is with T2 hardeners. If you use deadspace stuff, your EHP will reach 251k!!
So its a year old you probably learned about the cloak mwd trick by now, but if you havent, it will also stop people from cargo scanning you (minimizes ganks somewhat). And makes it very very very hard for catching you. Sort of must use for going in to LS imo
That, +I feel like Occator is actually more effective with Faction Hardeners, rather than Reactive+Membrane. Faction DCU can stay there, if you like, but for how cheap True Sansha or Serpentis hardeners are - it's a waste not to grab them. 2 Explosive, 1 EM and 1 Therm hardener will give you equally insane EHP, for a fraction of the cost. Also - cloak+mwd, even with Interdiction nullifier, will hardly be a detriment for a seasoned camper in Null. Decloaking is much easier done on slow, fat ships like haulers, which actually makes Viator the safer option in Null imho. Align times matter, and they matter a lot. Even with bubbles in the equation.
Thanks for a very informative video, i have been using my Viator for years to transport up to 13k M3 of stuff (mainly ore and 10k ship hulls) with the spec ops cloak but needed a fairly safe hauler for things around 50k ( like a porpoise hull) this video helped me choose the Occator and showed how to keep fairly safe (Eve is never totally safe but safer is better).😁
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Hello and first a great video, helped me a lot. That's why I would like to ask for a video on skilling. Which skills are particularly important first and which are to improve the ship to get the maximum out of it. Thanks in advance.
4:02 Nice, but you can fit a 10MN Afterburner to do this, which will align your ship in 7.5s (with afterburner skills @ level 5) without increasing your signature radius :)
I got a nice DST tonight too \o/ WH / NULL ADVICE To answer your question from your other Hauler video, my answer would be: Forget tank , all about align time, even for DST (mwd+cloak trick) The faster you can get off is the best way to survive - If you get caught , tank doesn't matter , your being held , eventually their alts or buddies will get there , Your 100k EHP Tank is just delaying the inevitable. High Sec different story obviously Great vids though keep it up
Why does this fit prevent the cloak/mwd warp combo? I can no longer insta warp with the cloak like I did in previous fit. However, if I attempt the same situation with your fit without activation of the cloak, it works as intended.
I had a different Occator fitting but you haven't steered me wrong to I am going to invest in it and give it a try flying 700 mil to Jita vs multi trips which is how I would normally do it.
occator can be allright, but it dont beat the viator. they cant kill what they cant catch, but they can only hold up towards 13k m3, so better used for smaller m3 stuff with higher value. barely anyone gonna bother gank a occator full or trit to put it that way
As an added means of tanking in an armor ship there is also the set of Amulet implants (these are for a passive tank) and I always try to remember to use this clone when flying my Impel. I use mid-grade but I'm very tempted to go the whole hog for a high-grade set. I figure I'm worth it 🙂
Why not trying faction plates for even better tank or faction hardeners also! I think there was an impel equal fit with implants could easily reach freighter HP !
Guessing it might have just been a slip of the tongue, but you called it an active tank. It's not, this is passive. You've given yourself as big of a buffer as you can, but without any repair modules, you're unable to actively repair any damage taken. 👍
High power 1x Improved Cloaking Device II 1x Compact Interdiction Nullifier Medium power 2x Medium Shield Extender II 1x 5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive Low power 1x Damage Control II 1x Imperial Navy Multispectrum Energized Membrane 1x True Sansha Kinetic Armor Hardener 1x Imperial Navy Explosive Armor Hardener 1x Imperial Navy 800mm Steel Plates 1x Reactive Armor Hardener Rig Slot 2x Medium Trimark Armor Pump II 101k EHP unheated 105 million isk cheaper with current pricing. Think 7k ehp less is a better trade off personally given 1 module is more than the value of the ship on OPs fit. But that very much a pick or choose and experience fit. Deadspace or Implants would also be very good choice given assets value and frequency of travels. A must I would say for WH groups.
Thanks for the vid, I used your fit but I have to swap a couple of modules so I can do the MWD+Cloak trick, here's my fit if anyone's interested :) Syndicate 800mm Steel Plates Reactive Armor Hardener EM Armor Hardener II Dark Blood Explosive Armor Hardener Syndicate Damage Control Dark Blood Multispectrum Energized Membrane Medium Shield Extender I 50MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive Eutectic Compact Cap Recharger Improved Cloaking Device II Interdiction Nullifier I Medium Trimark Armor Pump II Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
This has had me scratching my head for longer than I want to admit. I have come to the conclusion, that this should not be used because it's fitted with a 5MN MWD. In my opinion, it should use a 50MN MWD for the MWD-cloak trick to work. This mechanic DOES NOT work with a 5MN MWD. If you don't want to use the MWD-cloak trick, you can use this fit. But that's a silly idea, isn't it?
in short: you need a 'correct size' MWD to do the cloak trick.... BUT you can just use an AB, and pulse it one time, to get a faster align. Chose either: cloak warp, or fast warp. Hope that helps!
i'm like 99.8% sure that you can't do the cloak trick with a 5mw MWD. you can do the "pulse" yes .. but that also means you will be visible for full 10 sec. that's 10 sec. somone with 2 alts in 500k tristans can make sure you not going to warp. you need 0 ehp if noone can see you ;)
@@user-ny7vz9fh5y lol i moved plexes and factions modules and ships by the thousands through Jita gates and the best thing i have seen is attempts to scan... And i have an account in the 12 digits isk wise...
You reference your previous videos in almost all of your presentations, BUT you talk so fast and I can't find it without a Lot of time spent researching... Instead of watching. Could you include links on the side or in the show more part of the text? That way we can all watch and learn more - in the same or less amount of time! Win-Win!! Thank You!
hmm my bustard is stable at 114k ehp... or overheated at 223k ehp... and still it can die... so was waiting for the "invincible" part but seems like you never got there... if a newbie without any knowledge would see it: certain death for him/her :( dunno...
This is actually a shitfit when it comes to the cloak mwd trick it doesnt work with a 5MN on a midsize hull and the align time is way to long, even with a 50MN without atleast one Inertial Stabilizer II it won`t work ...
@@lorumerthgaming You did not perform a proper Cloak MWD Trick Warp in this Video and it doesn't work with this fit. Yes you can get your align time down by pulsing your warpdrive but you can't perfom the Cloak MWD Trick like you said in this vid...
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For me, the best hauler isn't something that people see as a hauler: the Orca. I shield tank it, I have two shield bursts and a DC2. With my skills it has over 400k EHP and if I overheat the shield tanks, it squeeks to just over 500k EHP. Combine that with 200m3 of drones and you can give them a bad day. My cargo bay is about 25k m3, the fleet bay is 40k m3 and the ship maintenance bay is 400k m3 (you can transport fully fitted ships in this bay!) Oh and don't forget the mining hold of 180k m3. If you have the skills, why would you use anything else?
this is an INCREDIBLE point 👏 hearting so more people see!
Orca's are over 2 billion now so people might gank it just for the KM. Difference is a DST can do a cloak + MWD trick to effectively be immune from cargo scanners. Orca does not have the same luxury.
Maybe its cause it cost way over a 1bil to fly this. Not everyone can afford to risk that much
Rookie numbers ours run 1.2 million ehp
On an orca you're actually better off not using shield extenders and just adding in shield hardeners. Basically, the Orca has a lot of base shield HP and no bonuses to shield extender HP like battleships. A T2 LSE will increase raw shield HP on an orca by less than 10%, where a shield hardener even with stacking penalties will be able to beat that in terms of EHP gain.
This channel HAS been the most influential EVE channel for me for helping improve my survival in EVE ! I am not ritch to give you money, but I Thank You Very Much ! 😊
wow thank you so much, friend ♥ 🙏
DUDE!!!!! This fit literally just saved me!! I was webbed,scrammed and nuted but I was able to slow boat back to gate and jump out!!!!
They barely got into the armor. Thanks man!!! 🤘QUICK ADDENDUM: I bravely/stupidly went back through about 15 minutes later.
I swapped the plates for a stab and when I jumped through (they tried again 👹) I was this time able to warp through to my next gate.
So, I'd say: Drop the plate and fit a warp core stabilizer.
YEEEEE well done 👏
Several comments - From all my experimentation, the best hauler is the Mastodon. Reaches 151k EHP heated with shield extenders / shield rigs, DCII + 3 x Inertia Stabs in lows. It has a normal warp of 10 sec. In null, low sec, you will get scrammed and will die if you dont use MWD / Cloak which reduces your warp to zero and makes you unlockable for the mwd cycle time. If you add nirvanas to your travels, you will have 200k ehp. And all of the above is with T2 hardeners. If you use deadspace stuff, your EHP will reach 251k!!
great tips!! ♥ing so more people see
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Really Great you start out with the "WHY" i would need this Hauler. I'm new, but know I need a Hauler, so nice work!
it's how we do here
This was my favorite hauler when i played... never lost one in all my travels
the best for sure!!
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I am so glad I found your channel. Thank you kindly!
Glad you are here friend!
What a neat idea fleet cargo in a hauler. Man stuff has changed so much. Just the little details.
oh for sure!! always something to learn in New Eden
So its a year old you probably learned about the cloak mwd trick by now, but if you havent, it will also stop people from cargo scanning you (minimizes ganks somewhat). And makes it very very very hard for catching you.
Sort of must use for going in to LS imo
You should to use 50mn mwd for cloak trick
That, +I feel like Occator is actually more effective with Faction Hardeners, rather than Reactive+Membrane. Faction DCU can stay there, if you like, but for how cheap True Sansha or Serpentis hardeners are - it's a waste not to grab them. 2 Explosive, 1 EM and 1 Therm hardener will give you equally insane EHP, for a fraction of the cost.
Also - cloak+mwd, even with Interdiction nullifier, will hardly be a detriment for a seasoned camper in Null. Decloaking is much easier done on slow, fat ships like haulers, which actually makes Viator the safer option in Null imho. Align times matter, and they matter a lot. Even with bubbles in the equation.
ahhh correct! hearting so people see. I use 50mn in non high sec, and sacrifice some of the tank modules
The plain English explanation of the Fleet Hangar is HUGE!
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not quite there to use this yet, but had some parts to get me going while skilling up. Thanks!
you got it bud!
"Is it a loot pinata? Are there prizes?" LOL!
Well, are there? 😆
I am guilty of naming my haulers "pinata".
as you should
Are you making a new video for the T2 haulers?
def will!!
Thanks for a very informative video, i have been using my Viator for years to transport up to 13k M3 of stuff (mainly ore and 10k ship hulls) with the spec ops cloak but needed a fairly safe hauler for things around 50k ( like a porpoise hull) this video helped me choose the Occator and showed how to keep fairly safe (Eve is never totally safe but safer is better).😁
yessir! t2 haulers change the game
Thanks a LOT for this video, I'm about buying this ship after years hauling on little T1 hauling ships.
It's time to taste the T2 flavor.
Cheers!! o7
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T2 hauler gang 🤝
Thank You Very Much !😊
you are most welcome friend!!
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Haha yessss, good to have you in the community friend! 😄
Training into this fit now. 23 days training to go!😁
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The undersized MWD doesn't cause any issues on the cloak/MWD trick? thx
it does, gotta use the right size!
Hello and first a great video, helped me a lot. That's why I would like to ask for a video on skilling. Which skills are particularly important first and which are to improve the ship to get the maximum out of it. Thanks in advance.
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4:02 Nice, but you can fit a 10MN Afterburner to do this, which will align your ship in 7.5s (with afterburner skills @ level 5) without increasing your signature radius :)
100% correct!!
@@lorumerthgaming Thanks, I have a lot to learn though 😅
I got a nice DST tonight too \o/
WH / NULL ADVICE
To answer your question from your other Hauler video, my answer would be:
Forget tank , all about align time, even for DST (mwd+cloak trick) The faster you can get off is the best way to survive - If you get caught , tank doesn't matter , your being held , eventually their alts or buddies will get there , Your 100k EHP Tank is just delaying the inevitable. High Sec different story obviously
Great vids though keep it up
love it, big agree refitting if dedicated null time
I have tried a bunch of times. The 5MN warp drive does not get the ship up to warp speed. Anyone have diff experience?
Check your afterburner skill, the cycle time gets lower the better it is
@@lorumerthgaming That's probably it. My Accel Control was kinda low too. Thanks.
Why does this fit prevent the cloak/mwd warp combo? I can no longer insta warp with the cloak like I did in previous fit. However, if I attempt the same situation with your fit without activation of the cloak, it works as intended.
Short answer: the MWD is under sized for the ship.
If you pulse the MWD you will align faster, but it doesn't do the mwd cloak trick
@@lorumerthgaming For Ahbazon, would you use this or cloak/mwd warp trick?
@@matteusse265 depends if in high sec or not 👀
I had a different Occator fitting but you haven't steered me wrong to I am going to invest in it and give it a try flying 700 mil to Jita vs multi trips which is how I would normally do it.
Go with God fam 👏😏
occator can be allright, but it dont beat the viator. they cant kill what they cant catch, but they can only hold up towards 13k m3, so better used for smaller m3 stuff with higher value. barely anyone gonna bother gank a occator full or trit to put it that way
Cloak MWD gets me to Jita without using a safer path. Love my Occator.
100% Nose ship wins 👃
I use this in null, and the only time I've ever died was when a Laelaps on a filament got me hictor pointed.
Def a mainstage ship for sure!
How do you get away from warp jammers? A huge tank just delays the inevitable if you can’t break free.
Depends on the situation, there is never a one-size-fits-all fix. I mainly use this fit in highsec/lowsec
Damn your good. Quick fast digestible info. Yo the point.
thank you friend 🙏
As an added means of tanking in an armor ship there is also the set of Amulet implants (these are for a passive tank) and I always try to remember to use this clone when flying my Impel. I use mid-grade but I'm very tempted to go the whole hog for a high-grade set. I figure I'm worth it 🙂
100% correct
Two reactive armor hardeners?
check the desc, is only one 😉
was i mentally in jita when you explained it or did toy not mention the mwd trick WITH the cloak on so you can be way more safe
dedicated vid coming 👀
OH look! A pinata :)
are there PRIZES?!
@@lorumerthgaming So far, everytime :)
Why not trying faction plates for even better tank or faction hardeners also! I think there was an impel equal fit with implants could easily reach freighter HP !
Def a huge idea 💡
Guessing it might have just been a slip of the tongue, but you called it an active tank. It's not, this is passive. You've given yourself as big of a buffer as you can, but without any repair modules, you're unable to actively repair any damage taken. 👍
Correct we buffin
Why not Impel? 1 more low slot, more armor HP, maybe a different CPU and PG..
Because this vid is about the Occator 😉
High power
1x Improved Cloaking Device II
1x Compact Interdiction Nullifier
Medium power
2x Medium Shield Extender II
1x 5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
Low power
1x Damage Control II
1x Imperial Navy Multispectrum Energized Membrane
1x True Sansha Kinetic Armor Hardener
1x Imperial Navy Explosive Armor Hardener
1x Imperial Navy 800mm Steel Plates
1x Reactive Armor Hardener
Rig Slot
2x Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
101k EHP unheated
105 million isk cheaper with current pricing. Think 7k ehp less is a better trade off personally given 1 module is more than the value of the ship on OPs fit. But that very much a pick or choose and experience fit.
Deadspace or Implants would also be very good choice given assets value and frequency of travels. A must I would say for WH groups.
LOVE THIS dude, well done.
Hearing so more people see
17 ships showing in your hanger? Really J, do you have all those buffed up and shining? 🤣👍✌🖖🥃 good stuff here thanks
Shiny and ready to go 😆
Thanks for the vid, I used your fit but I have to swap a couple of modules so I can do the MWD+Cloak trick, here's my fit if anyone's interested :)
Syndicate 800mm Steel Plates
Reactive Armor Hardener
EM Armor Hardener II
Dark Blood Explosive Armor Hardener
Syndicate Damage Control
Dark Blood Multispectrum Energized Membrane
Medium Shield Extender I
50MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
Eutectic Compact Cap Recharger
Improved Cloaking Device II
Interdiction Nullifier I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
there ya go!! thanks for the fit 👏
I lost 7 billion isk once in Uadema they had drones and frigs orbiting the gate to uncloak everyone
oof
This has had me scratching my head for longer than I want to admit. I have come to the conclusion, that this should not be used because it's fitted with a 5MN MWD. In my opinion, it should use a 50MN MWD for the MWD-cloak trick to work. This mechanic DOES NOT work with a 5MN MWD.
If you don't want to use the MWD-cloak trick, you can use this fit. But that's a silly idea, isn't it?
in short: you need a 'correct size' MWD to do the cloak trick.... BUT you can just use an AB, and pulse it one time, to get a faster align.
Chose either: cloak warp, or fast warp. Hope that helps!
i'm like 99.8% sure that you can't do the cloak trick with a 5mw MWD. you can do the "pulse" yes .. but that also means you will be visible for full 10 sec.
that's 10 sec. somone with 2 alts in 500k tristans can make sure you not going to warp. you need 0 ehp if noone can see you ;)
yep just demonstrating it! always play around with the fit to get exactly what you need 😉
ganking in high sec is a myth ! unless you dont know how to navigate and afk on gates !
just gotta fly right, ya know?
@@user-ny7vz9fh5y lol i moved plexes and factions modules and ships by the thousands through Jita gates and the best thing i have seen is attempts to scan... And i have an account in the 12 digits isk wise...
Discord link is broken
Just clicked it, link works!
@@lorumerthgaming Just tried again, it shows me the discord to join but when I click the button it doesn't do anything. Am I not allowed in there?
Loot pinyata 😊😊😁😁😂😂
it do be like that 😏
This can be popped like a tin can if caught
every ship can be dude lol
You reference your previous videos in almost all of your presentations, BUT you talk so fast and I can't find it without a Lot of time spent researching... Instead of watching.
Could you include links on the side or in the show more part of the text? That way we can all watch and learn more - in the same or less amount of time! Win-Win!!
Thank You!
i include those when i can! which vid did you want in particular?
You can't do the cloak mwd trick with an undersized mwd
Correct
Nothing, huh
Something bro
hmm my bustard is stable at 114k ehp... or overheated at 223k ehp... and still it can die... so was waiting for the "invincible" part but seems like you never got there... if a newbie without any knowledge would see it: certain death for him/her :( dunno...
just remember, you are never safe in EVE 😈
This is actually a shitfit when it comes to the cloak mwd trick it doesnt work with a 5MN on a midsize hull and the align time is way to long, even with a 50MN without atleast one Inertial Stabilizer II it won`t work ...
the 50mn reduces align time with one pulse.
we just illustrated the mwd trick here 😉
@@lorumerthgaming You did not perform a proper Cloak MWD Trick Warp in this Video and it doesn't work with this fit. Yes you can get your align time down by pulsing your warpdrive but you can't perfom the Cloak MWD Trick like you said in this vid...
Bustard get's 100k shield EHP.
and is caldari junk and the ugliest of all haulers.
150k ehp \o/
large lad 👏