Jesus, you guys are so detailed and seriously research your products. That goes a long way in that I might not buy any of the serious aero mods mentioned in this video but it just shows me your dedication to informing your consumer. With that said I'll gladly use you guys over the competition when buying anything you have in stock.
OK wanted to chime in with what I have found. I have the full under body setup (front slitter, mid panels, rear diffuser). Around town I here in New Tampa, Westley Chapel area, I get about 1 to 3 MPG bump in fuel efficiency (the roads are 50 - 60 MPH speed limit here around town). I also see about a 5 MPG increase when driving on the highway (70 MPH speed limits... but I actually drive 80 MPH when it is safe to do so). With a tune for premium 91 Octane fuel before the aero parts I averaged 31 MPG, now I am seeing 34/35 if I really drive carefully. However lately I have been averaging 33 (been doing a lot of driving around town). The price for the the parts will be paid for in a year with the fuel I am saving... Not a bad return on money spent for the parts. The funny thing is I originally wanted the aero parts to help with improving highway stability in bad weather. The side effect of the light weight of the FRS is poor wind buffering at 70-80 MPH speeds. You get thrown all over the lane when passing semi trucks and in the wet that can be dangerous. Anyway the aero parts have greatly improved high speed stability all while improving my fuel efficiency... From here on out, every vehicle I own will either have these parts from the factory or I will install them from the aftermarket.
Thanks guys! I have an F32 BMW 435i with splitter and rear diffuser and noticed my car seemed A LOT lower at 80mph-90mph. Your videos helped explain what I thought was just me being dumb was really downforce occurring/in play. Thank you!
Potential autocrossers need to remember to check the rules for the class they want to run before adding aero parts. None of these parts would be legal in CS, DS, STX, or SSC (the most popular classes for the BRZ/FR-S/86 in the SCCA). I only mention this due to the video saying autocrossers should try to maximize downforce, which is mostly true, but not many people want to be stuck in a class they can't compete in just due to aero parts.
Great explanation mate. I'm impressed with your knowledge as a youngster. As said, 90% it doesn't matter because the youngsters are only for the aggressive looks, however for the serious, like yourself, there are two more options. Consider the use of VG's as well as active "angle of attack" management. Keep us to update.
kinda. The force that air exerts on aero panels increases exponentially the faster you go, so from 0-60 (relatively low speed), the effect that aero has on acceleration would be minimal as the drag is also minimal. Accelerating beyond 60 however, you might see differences due to the combination of higher speed gearing and the increased drag from added aero.
chazmuska Yep. The splitter and diffuser don’t create downforce the traditional way. Underbody panels don’t make any downforce and are there purely to reduce drag A splitter works by pushing air up over itself, which will push the car itself down since every action has an equal and opposite reaction. Even though the splitter will cause drag, it is much less than how much drag the car has without it, so it classifies as a drag reduction Diffusers work, as mentioned in the vidoeo, by creating a low pressure area behind the vehicle and sort of sucking the vehicle down into the road.
Each car would have different body lines / attachment points for the canards, for example canards made for an FRS wouldn't fit on the BRZ bumper and the '13-'16 BRZ would need a different canard than the '17 BRZ. I would just make sure that the specific part you are buying says it fits a 2017 BRZ before you buy. Their website does a pretty good job of that.
Really depends what kind or driving you're doing. Underpanels and a Velox rear diffuser can help fuel economy. www.ft86speedfactory.com/catalogsearch/result/?cat=0&q=jdm+underpanels www.ft86speedfactory.com/ft-86-speedfactory-rear-diffuser-non-aggressive-2013-ft-86.html#.Wc1h5siGMkk
I am interesting in adding a SARD wings on my stock 86 for daily driving. However I don't want to change the balance of the car. Which should I add in the front to balance the aero for the wing? Also a question for SARD wing, for the carbon fiber version, how much is it lighter to the normal version. Do I need a additional paint layer for the normal version? Thank you.
You can add a front splitter if you're worried about your aero balance. But for daily driving aero balance isnt a big concern. Here's the link to the front splitter - www.ft86speedfactory.com/ft-86-sf-street-performance-front-splitter-1648.html#.Wc5Lq8iGMkk
Yes of course you do! You'll still have reduced drag and increased downforce, and if you plan to add a splitter in the future you'll have even more downforce to both the front and rear. www.ft86speedfactory.com/ft-86-sf-street-performance-front-splitter-1648.html#.Wcz7fsiGMkk
Guys, I found most of the products you advertise for about 15-20% less on pretty much each product. Why are you making it so expensive? It's really good quality, good ideas, but the prices are killing it... I just found the arm rest (which I wanted to buy from your site) including the whole plastic panel which it goes atop on, for 130 dollars... Common, really?
It should, but we have not confirmed fitment at this point. www.ft86speedfactory.com/ft-86-speedfactory-rear-diffuser-non-aggressive-2013-ft-86.html#.Wc0GNsiGMkk
guys as an aeronautical engineer, I can tell you that car "aero" parts (that are not designed specifically by aero teams for track cars) will do nothing for your car's performance. These parts will only add drag and weight to your car. In fact, these parts will only cause wakes and seperation of the boundary layer flowing over your car which will only slow you down. If you are driving courses where you rarely make it over 40 - 50 mph, then aero parts will only be added bagguage on your car. A good wing will only generate noticeable down force at speeds over 40 mph, so is it worth it? that's up to you. Do you corner often at speeds greater than 40 - 50 mph? if this is the case, then a wing will help keep tracktion over your rear tyres... otherwise, there is no need from a performance point of view.
Which is exactly what the guy said in the video. He also showed us videos of the simulated airflow and gave us precise numbers of the gained downforce. These aero parts are "specifically designed by aero teams for track cars" Did you just see the title and decided to spew some shit without watching the actual video, just so you could tell us that you're an "aeronautical engineer"? As an avid youtube watcher, I disapprove.
Yang Lee Underbody panels and rear diffuser as he explained it in the video, but you should balance the front with either canards/dive planes(plains?) or a splitter.
They are an optional extra with the Sard wings on our website www.ft86speedfactory.com/sard-lsr-style-carbon-fiber-wing-2013-fr-s-brz.html#.Wcz7_8iGMkk
but if you say were doing a max power turbo or supercharged build or even swapping the engine I could see the usefulness of these products, with that said most if not all the builders who would do that to an 86 would probably know most of this. However, it was a good video if someone wanted to hear numbers on popular products quickly without much research needed.
Ghost Gaming the people who put this stuff on will never see a track, hard parkers. whenever i see silly gt wings on street cars i ask the owners what track times they getting, they always say they havent been "yet".
Jesus, you guys are so detailed and seriously research your products. That goes a long way in that I might not buy any of the serious aero mods mentioned in this video but it just shows me your dedication to informing your consumer. With that said I'll gladly use you guys over the competition when buying anything you have in stock.
You should be a local news anchor with your presentation skills.
That would be hilarious.
OK wanted to chime in with what I have found. I have the full under body setup (front slitter, mid panels, rear diffuser). Around town I here in New Tampa, Westley Chapel area, I get about 1 to 3 MPG bump in fuel efficiency (the roads are 50 - 60 MPH speed limit here around town). I also see about a 5 MPG increase when driving on the highway (70 MPH speed limits... but I actually drive 80 MPH when it is safe to do so). With a tune for premium 91 Octane fuel before the aero parts I averaged 31 MPG, now I am seeing 34/35 if I really drive carefully. However lately I have been averaging 33 (been doing a lot of driving around town). The price for the the parts will be paid for in a year with the fuel I am saving... Not a bad return on money spent for the parts. The funny thing is I originally wanted the aero parts to help with improving highway stability in bad weather. The side effect of the light weight of the FRS is poor wind buffering at 70-80 MPH speeds. You get thrown all over the lane when passing semi trucks and in the wet that can be dangerous. Anyway the aero parts have greatly improved high speed stability all while improving my fuel efficiency... From here on out, every vehicle I own will either have these parts from the factory or I will install them from the aftermarket.
Appreciate the feedback :D
It will be possible to have the precise references that you have ?
Thats funny I live in Wesley Chapel too! Great info btw
Leida Ortiz lol I work there.
👍🏽 do you have a build thread somewhere?
Thanks guys! I have an F32 BMW 435i with splitter and rear diffuser and noticed my car seemed A LOT lower at 80mph-90mph. Your videos helped explain what I thought was just me being dumb was really downforce occurring/in play. Thank you!
Potential autocrossers need to remember to check the rules for the class they want to run before adding aero parts. None of these parts would be legal in CS, DS, STX, or SSC (the most popular classes for the BRZ/FR-S/86 in the SCCA).
I only mention this due to the video saying autocrossers should try to maximize downforce, which is mostly true, but not many people want to be stuck in a class they can't compete in just due to aero parts.
You are correct. Thanks for pointing that out.
The animation/explanation is perfect
You need anywhere between 7 or 15 percent more lung capacity
Very true. Thanks for watching till the end ;D
Man this channel is soooo underrated bro this content good af great vid 👍🏼
Great explanation mate. I'm impressed with your knowledge as a youngster. As said, 90% it doesn't matter because the youngsters are only for the aggressive looks, however for the serious, like yourself, there are two more options. Consider the use of VG's as well as active "angle of attack" management. Keep us to update.
Great video. Love how to explain everything in your channel
Another key point worth mentioning... drag affect change with the speed of the car (and ergo, speed of air over/under/into the aero).
That wing looks very good!
This video need more views
This channel is amazing
Excellent video. Very well done!
I find that drag reduction works really well for autoX. But need to supplement that with a lot of mechanical grip.
*I WANT THE FLAT BOTTOM*
gimme a product guys
this is awesome!
I'm curios to know if they sell that front lip with rods at 0:21 sec in the video
what a great vid
This has 86k views, nice
Can I run the Subaru underpanels and the Velox transmission cover together?
Yes. You'll just have to make modifications to the hardware.
www.ft86speedfactory.com/catalogsearch/result/?cat=0&q=jdm+underpanels
I was just searching for a way to actually buy those fantastic custom Cars.. any suggestion? 😅
it's not just top speed, it's generally speed isn't it? ie. including acceleration since it increases your general drag coefficient?
kinda. The force that air exerts on aero panels increases exponentially the faster you go, so from 0-60 (relatively low speed), the effect that aero has on acceleration would be minimal as the drag is also minimal. Accelerating beyond 60 however, you might see differences due to the combination of higher speed gearing and the increased drag from added aero.
You missed the TRD areo stabilising cover! xD
Is there anyway to remove the air pressure stuck in the wheel wells without increasing drag?
what about the D BURN RIFT
i hope you guys expand into others cars like the miata
Razgriz Reborn their name is FT86 Speed factory. By that name I bet you can assume that they only do stuff for the BRZ/FRS/86
What are the best drag reductions mods I can do to boost fuel economy?
Noice
Your banana laffy taffy gave me an allergic reaction and i almost died
Is it bad to start with canards
So if you go with just the splitter, underpannels and rear diffuser...will that increase top speed?? ....since drag is reduced
chazmuska Yep. The splitter and diffuser don’t create downforce the traditional way. Underbody panels don’t make any downforce and are there purely to reduce drag
A splitter works by pushing air up over itself, which will push the car itself down since every action has an equal and opposite reaction.
Even though the splitter will cause drag, it is much less than how much drag the car has without it, so it classifies as a drag reduction
Diffusers work, as mentioned in the vidoeo, by creating a low pressure area behind the vehicle and sort of sucking the vehicle down into the road.
Great video guys!! Can the kanards also fit on the 2017 BRZ?
Each car would have different body lines / attachment points for the canards, for example canards made for an FRS wouldn't fit on the BRZ bumper and the '13-'16 BRZ would need a different canard than the '17 BRZ. I would just make sure that the specific part you are buying says it fits a 2017 BRZ before you buy. Their website does a pretty good job of that.
They do not fit 2017 BRZ, your bumper is a different shape then the FRS.
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So in theory, it's not recommended adding aero to a stock car for it will reduce speed?
flintlights top end speed and acceleration will be reduced. Cornering speed will be greater normally resulting in faster laptimes.
Really depends what kind or driving you're doing. Underpanels and a Velox rear diffuser can help fuel economy.
www.ft86speedfactory.com/catalogsearch/result/?cat=0&q=jdm+underpanels
www.ft86speedfactory.com/ft-86-speedfactory-rear-diffuser-non-aggressive-2013-ft-86.html#.Wc1h5siGMkk
FT86SpeedFactory normal day to day drive on the streets
flintlights then no, you don’t need aero.
I am interesting in adding a SARD wings on my stock 86 for daily driving. However I don't want to change the balance of the car. Which should I add in the front to balance the aero for the wing? Also a question for SARD wing, for the carbon fiber version, how much is it lighter to the normal version. Do I need a additional paint layer for the normal version? Thank you.
You can add a front splitter if you're worried about your aero balance. But for daily driving aero balance isnt a big concern.
Here's the link to the front splitter - www.ft86speedfactory.com/ft-86-sf-street-performance-front-splitter-1648.html#.Wc5Lq8iGMkk
Can u recommend a canard that would fit, cos I have the oem aero kit
Anyone know where I can find the extended mounts for the sard spoiler? The grey metallic ones at 1:05
So I have just the rear diffuser. Do I get any benefits?
Yes of course you do! You'll still have reduced drag and increased downforce, and if you plan to add a splitter in the future you'll have even more downforce to both the front and rear.
www.ft86speedfactory.com/ft-86-sf-street-performance-front-splitter-1648.html#.Wcz7fsiGMkk
Should make AE86 stuff as well, instead just the ZN6
Zenki Trueno that would be dope :(
What are the rims on that Impreza at 5:12?
Guys, I found most of the products you advertise for about 15-20% less on pretty much each product. Why are you making it so expensive? It's really good quality, good ideas, but the prices are killing it... I just found the arm rest (which I wanted to buy from your site) including the whole plastic panel which it goes atop on, for 130 dollars... Common, really?
They also have deceptively advertised fakes and replicas.
What are those rims at 1:26?
Will the rear difuser have any fitting issues with the r400 exhaust ?
It should, but we have not confirmed fitment at this point.
www.ft86speedfactory.com/ft-86-speedfactory-rear-diffuser-non-aggressive-2013-ft-86.html#.Wc0GNsiGMkk
guys as an aeronautical engineer, I can tell you that car "aero" parts (that are not designed specifically by aero teams for track cars) will do nothing for your car's performance. These parts will only add drag and weight to your car. In fact, these parts will only cause wakes and seperation of the boundary layer flowing over your car which will only slow you down. If you are driving courses where you rarely make it over 40 - 50 mph, then aero parts will only be added bagguage on your car. A good wing will only generate noticeable down force at speeds over 40 mph, so is it worth it? that's up to you. Do you corner often at speeds greater than 40 - 50 mph? if this is the case, then a wing will help keep tracktion over your rear tyres... otherwise, there is no need from a performance point of view.
Which is exactly what the guy said in the video. He also showed us videos of the simulated airflow and gave us precise numbers of the gained downforce.
These aero parts are "specifically designed by aero teams for track cars"
Did you just see the title and decided to spew some shit without watching the actual video, just so you could tell us that you're an "aeronautical engineer"?
As an avid youtube watcher, I disapprove.
I'm new to this. How do I decrease drag?
Yang Lee Underbody panels and rear diffuser as he explained it in the video, but you should balance the front with either canards/dive planes(plains?) or a splitter.
What extended brackets did you guys go with for your sard wing?
They are an optional extra with the Sard wings on our website
www.ft86speedfactory.com/sard-lsr-style-carbon-fiber-wing-2013-fr-s-brz.html#.Wcz7_8iGMkk
What about wide body, such as rocket bunny? Just for looks right?
they add a shit ton of drag. Definitely for show
For show, and to cover the wheels if you want to run 315 hoosier race slicks.
Another porn for cars , goodjobs
What about roof spoilers 😂
Just let me put a giant wing on my FR-S smg
Way too nerdy for a daily driver. 😭
A stock 86 doesnt have enough torque to justify aero mods. It can put the power down just fine without them.
but if you say were doing a max power turbo or supercharged build or even swapping the engine I could see the usefulness of these products, with that said most if not all the builders who would do that to an 86 would probably know most of this. However, it was a good video if someone wanted to hear numbers on popular products quickly without much research needed.
You know how I can tell you're American? All you care about is putting power down. You know you can corner faster with more downforce right?
The stiG J-96 Ya for sure
R. elentless Im actually Canadian lol. But you're right, the grip you get from aero mods is also useful for cornering. I hadn't thought about that
Stop talking about aerodynamics if you dont know the first thing about it buddy
really? All this for 200bhp car? give me a break, we all know people will put this on for pure riceness.
This is mostly for cornering and i think if you add all the parts you might end up wiht less drag.
Ghost Gaming the people who put this stuff on will never see a track, hard parkers. whenever i see silly gt wings on street cars i ask the owners what track times they getting, they always say they havent been "yet".
:D yeah okay you might be right, but even if they never see the track it is still not rice, because it increses the cornering performance of the car.
@@gc8_trooper I'm sure there are some canyon carvers who have taken turns faster than you ever will
no I'm Thomas