W video, these companies are lucky that they can pay people to make mods and that valve hasn’t unlocked the game for the community to make everything as it should be
Both of these server networks also did the same with surf, but to a lesser extent. Cybershoke ported surf_mesa_revo quite badly and slapped their name on it. Not much later, a community member contacted the original mapper and proceeded to port it himself just out of spite. The cybershoke port ended up never getting used by anyone, including cybershoke themselves. Meanwhile xplay had many ports that were fine for the most part, but at some point for whatever reason they decided to unlist most of them so people are cautious of using those ports.
It’s so silly, networks like cyber shoke and especially xplay have such an opportunity in there hands to get a head start in building up the new cs2 kz community into there own servers but are sadly doing it the wrong way atm, with house of climb not as prominent as it was atm etc, xplay should really be doing a lot more to solidify themselves as one of the top kz servers for cs2, getting mappers and asking permission should be the easy part, hopefully it will all work out someday and we will all be kzing on a top tier server!
I'm sorry to hear that you are unsatisfied about the freelance work i did, currently i am not porting anything, so you can relaxe and maybe start work on new and innovative projects that fit the cs2 standard. That is at least what i plan on doing instead of regurgitating 10 year old content.
meanwhile im still currently stuck in a loop figuring out the cs2 import script issues. they should be updating this stuff. but no valve is having a month long party in hawaii rn. Xd
If I was a server owner during these times I would've shut down my servers and wait until the plugin is at a reasonable state and a good amount of maps have been properly ported or made for the new engine
they probably have different ideas in mind such as finding more players to earn money... just regular business (which i respect), but it just couldve been done differentlt
im pretty sure xplay did this with some surf maps as well, surfing is still fucked because edgebugs haven't been fixed yet but the porting on a lot of the old maps on xplay servers is horrible. it wouldn't surprise me if all these companies are stealing maps
xplay has got to have one of the worst surf map ports i've ever seen. cybershoke is better but id rather play on high fov but there isn't an option there.
looks like they give players the chance to receive drops (skins) when they complete daily challenges, which can comprise of stuff like - complete X map in KZ. You can buy their premium to earn more drops and stuff I guess what they get out of it is eyeballs on their sponsors?? I dont know how else they would make money. I guess that getting in KZ early woud mean having the exclusivity and the potential to build a small but strong player base
oh yea ive seen a guy say something along "damn im the only one gambling as part of an xplay challenge/quest" (on the gambling site chat)... so they are in a way bringing new people to the gambling website
While I understand the criticisms of the ports being poor, i dont feel so strongly about the idea that these were "stolen". Mapping in CS has always been somewhat loose, at least on other gamemodes. Lots of assets and design choices are shared between maps and ive always seen it as closer to homage and resourcefulness than theft. People will do remakes and remasters all the time, hell about every other jailbreak map is some version of electric razer. Granted, maybe posting their banner everywhere in hopes of free advertising or deterring others from using their port is a bit in poor taste.
i think what you said is fair. Plenty of maps take assets from each other and one could say it's similar to "fair use", which i think is cool however, these maps are 1:1 ports that were very poorly made. The mapper was not even credited properly in some of them. Added to that, many, if not all of those maps were dmca'ed at some point but they somehow managed to fight all of them (idk if putting the maps as unlisted can do that)
@@ReDMooNTVV I'm curious to see if any of the original mappers have responded to this. I didn't stop to read all of the Discord messages you screenshotted, but my impression was that this was a visceral reaction from the community on behalf of the mappers. As someone with 5k hours in hammer, having made maps and managed servers, myself, and the mappers I worked with seemed to feel that publishing your map was the same as releasing it to the aether, any time it was seen on another server or reworked in some way, that was a good thing, more people got to enjoy it or felt inspired by it. If someone really wanted credit, it was up to them to add that to their map itself. Likewise, whenever something on our servers was broken or we deemed that it should be reworked in some way, we did just that and slapped it back on the server. I think maybe this paradigm is a result of how servers on CS:GO worked: maps were hosted directly by servers, so there's nothing you could do but mald if your map or some bastardized version was hosted by someone else. Now maps must be published to the workshop - which I suppose some could see as an attempt to take credit, despite it's necessity to CS2. I don't feel particularly strongly either way about this, but it is interesting to see this seeming perspective shift, definitely caught me off guard.
i am not aware of any mappers reaching out to xplay personally (most of them are not active). However, had they ported maps from more active members (such as spider1), there would've probably been private messages exchanged between them. This exact scenario happened when cybershoke did it i understand where you're coming from though, but keep in mind that most of the people commenting on discord had the cybershoke precedent in mind, including me
also i dont believe in "if someone wants credit, they should put that in the map". If i am porting a map that is not mine, i will make sure that i try to do a good job and preserve the author's intentions/visuals/gameplay and say that it was made by them. If we go by the quote, then anyone could just yoink any map that doesnt have the name of the author in it. I am mostly saying what i personally think here. I guess to each their own
i also forgot to mention that this is in the context of KZ. In csgo kz, maps that were approved for competitive play depended on the workshop. Vital information such as map size all depended on the workshop page of a map. There were rules prohibiting map makers from making any changes to the .bsp after approval
Server running the cs2kz plugin by zer0.k:
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why does every big server network do this 😭thank you for exposing it though hopefully it gets some traction
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W video, these companies are lucky that they can pay people to make mods and that valve hasn’t unlocked the game for the community to make everything as it should be
Thank you for the mention! Our team would never fall this low...
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Both of these server networks also did the same with surf, but to a lesser extent.
Cybershoke ported surf_mesa_revo quite badly and slapped their name on it. Not much later, a community member contacted the original mapper and proceeded to port it himself just out of spite. The cybershoke port ended up never getting used by anyone, including cybershoke themselves.
Meanwhile xplay had many ports that were fine for the most part, but at some point for whatever reason they decided to unlist most of them so people are cautious of using those ports.
and they dont even steal the more visually appealing maps...
doing gods work, love to see it 🫡
if you post these i will share them x
thank you, gotta try to end this before people get a bad first impression of KZ 🙏
thanks for raising awareness about this:)
really well said! great video
based redmoon, love it
Well said reddie
W video 🔥🔥
It's a good video when the video is non cheater content oriented
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Why did your channel randomly appear to me? Damn. Subscribed just now homie
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call 'em all out FR 💯💯💯
why'd we play on other maps then kz_grotto?????
It’s so silly, networks like cyber shoke and especially xplay have such an opportunity in there hands to get a head start in building up the new cs2 kz community into there own servers but are sadly doing it the wrong way atm, with house of climb not as prominent as it was atm etc, xplay should really be doing a lot more to solidify themselves as one of the top kz servers for cs2, getting mappers and asking permission should be the easy part, hopefully it will all work out someday and we will all be kzing on a top tier server!
i hope they can sort things out and do things better. We are all working towards a common goal - making KZ more popular and better
lmfao what is that response from the "porter" 😭
I'm sorry to hear that you are unsatisfied about the freelance work i did, currently i am not porting anything, so you can relaxe and maybe start work on new and innovative projects that fit the cs2 standard. That is at least what i plan on doing instead of regurgitating 10 year old content.
W video. L Cybershoke. L Xplay. L Thour.
i wouldnt blame thour... or maybe you can bc they didnt do research before accpeting 🤔
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meanwhile im still currently stuck in a loop figuring out the cs2 import script issues. they should be updating this stuff. but no valve is having a month long party in hawaii rn. Xd
it turns out i deliberately made my maps so badly that they just don't get stolen. >:)
If I was a server owner during these times I would've shut down my servers and wait until the plugin is at a reasonable state and a good amount of maps have been properly ported or made for the new engine
they probably have different ideas in mind such as finding more players to earn money... just regular business (which i respect), but it just couldve been done differentlt
moistcr1tical reacts to huge cs2 drama
I knew xplay was sussy
People wanted hype and they did it badly. Anti-publicity in its purest form 😵💫
they somehow didnt see what happened with cybershoke
cybershoke been doing this for years with hns maps :/
im pretty sure xplay did this with some surf maps as well, surfing is still fucked because edgebugs haven't been fixed yet but the porting on a lot of the old maps on xplay servers is horrible. it wouldn't surprise me if all these companies are stealing maps
that wouldnt surprise me either
xplay has got to have one of the worst surf map ports i've ever seen. cybershoke is better but id rather play on high fov but there isn't an option there.
even with permission, porting maps like this is criminal
dude fuck kz forgotten in cs2 that map pisses me off
at least you can get it over in like 1 min bc of the skip ☠️
lol wow, so scummy
Whats their motive? I doubt they make any money off their kz servers.
looks like they give players the chance to receive drops (skins) when they complete daily challenges, which can comprise of stuff like - complete X map in KZ. You can buy their premium to earn more drops and stuff
I guess what they get out of it is eyeballs on their sponsors?? I dont know how else they would make money. I guess that getting in KZ early woud mean having the exclusivity and the potential to build a small but strong player base
oh yea ive seen a guy say something along "damn im the only one gambling as part of an xplay challenge/quest" (on the gambling site chat)... so they are in a way bringing new people to the gambling website
cybershoke is the biggest cs project in russia so im sure they do make money
While I understand the criticisms of the ports being poor, i dont feel so strongly about the idea that these were "stolen". Mapping in CS has always been somewhat loose, at least on other gamemodes. Lots of assets and design choices are shared between maps and ive always seen it as closer to homage and resourcefulness than theft. People will do remakes and remasters all the time, hell about every other jailbreak map is some version of electric razer. Granted, maybe posting their banner everywhere in hopes of free advertising or deterring others from using their port is a bit in poor taste.
i think what you said is fair. Plenty of maps take assets from each other and one could say it's similar to "fair use", which i think is cool
however, these maps are 1:1 ports that were very poorly made. The mapper was not even credited properly in some of them. Added to that, many, if not all of those maps were dmca'ed at some point but they somehow managed to fight all of them (idk if putting the maps as unlisted can do that)
@@ReDMooNTVV I'm curious to see if any of the original mappers have responded to this. I didn't stop to read all of the Discord messages you screenshotted, but my impression was that this was a visceral reaction from the community on behalf of the mappers.
As someone with 5k hours in hammer, having made maps and managed servers, myself, and the mappers I worked with seemed to feel that publishing your map was the same as releasing it to the aether, any time it was seen on another server or reworked in some way, that was a good thing, more people got to enjoy it or felt inspired by it. If someone really wanted credit, it was up to them to add that to their map itself. Likewise, whenever something on our servers was broken or we deemed that it should be reworked in some way, we did just that and slapped it back on the server.
I think maybe this paradigm is a result of how servers on CS:GO worked: maps were hosted directly by servers, so there's nothing you could do but mald if your map or some bastardized version was hosted by someone else. Now maps must be published to the workshop - which I suppose some could see as an attempt to take credit, despite it's necessity to CS2.
I don't feel particularly strongly either way about this, but it is interesting to see this seeming perspective shift, definitely caught me off guard.
i am not aware of any mappers reaching out to xplay personally (most of them are not active). However, had they ported maps from more active members (such as spider1), there would've probably been private messages exchanged between them. This exact scenario happened when cybershoke did it
i understand where you're coming from though, but keep in mind that most of the people commenting on discord had the cybershoke precedent in mind, including me
also i dont believe in "if someone wants credit, they should put that in the map". If i am porting a map that is not mine, i will make sure that i try to do a good job and preserve the author's intentions/visuals/gameplay and say that it was made by them. If we go by the quote, then anyone could just yoink any map that doesnt have the name of the author in it. I am mostly saying what i personally think here. I guess to each their own
i also forgot to mention that this is in the context of KZ. In csgo kz, maps that were approved for competitive play depended on the workshop. Vital information such as map size all depended on the workshop page of a map. There were rules prohibiting map makers from making any changes to the .bsp after approval
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Let him cook 🍳