Monty Python indoctrinating modern cinema with their top tier humour decades in advance - like a manufactured comedy prophecy. There's a meta parallel here somewhere, I think... So glad this comment is at the top of the feed...
Can we talk about how satisfying it was when Paul “screamed” right back at the emperor’s mother reverend at the end of the movie? I’ll never forget how good that felt
That and the part when he basically told the emperor to bend the knee. My mind went straight to the Tim Burton Planet of the Apes movie with Michael Clarke Duncan as that huge silverback gorilla Warrior. "BOW YOUR HEAD!"
@@tronam the last one that that stood a chance. Its such a strange way to show how string Feyd is. Two drugged artreides members (purposeful to show how they are corrupted) and an old guy doesn't necessarily scream that Feyd is an excellent fighter. Its just a weak first glance at an audience standpoint
My mom hates Star Wars, sci-fi, and fantasy overall. She watched part 1 a few days ago and saw part 2 with me in theatres--she loved it. She loved the story, the implications, the feeling, and the character-building. I was worried she would walk out at some point, but she stayed until the end credits with me and talked about it for hours afterward. This franchise is really special.
@emiliesalazar2961 -- Indeed, Dune Part 2 is the perfect film for people who hate sci-fi and fantasy -- both cinema and novels. It's a three-hour-long, Dune-themed *music video,* entirely drained of interesting ideas and characters. Outside of getting the names right, nothing of Frank Herbert's novel remains. It's the triumph of spectacle over substance, nothing less than "The Feelies" -- straight out of Huxley's "Brave New World" -- barren of literacy and coherence. I'm glad you and your mom had a fun day out (cheers!), but there's not enough soma in the world to make this picayune dreck enjoyable to me. As a lifelong fan of "Dune," I tried very hard to enjoy the film -- to just shut off my brain and "give in to deliciousness" -- but after all of the stupid/senseless moments began to pile up, I just couldn't bear it; when the final credits began to roll, I thanked Shai-Hulud from the bottom of my chakra and beat feet out of the theatres, grateful that there was still enough daylight left for me to make something of my day.
Stilgar is the most tragic character to me. Even in the book there is a good line where Paul realised that Stilgar was no longer a friend, but a follower. The later books really show the damage the Atreides do to the Fremen
Yes. There are several character adaptations in this movie that differ from the first book, but I get what they are doing and I like it, because I think it is going to bridge their future character arcs better than the books do, where some of the personalities become different very abruptly from one book to the next.
I think the book explains it that it wouldnt matter if he lost or won. The damage was done, he created a messiah for the fremen and the holy war was innevitable at that point.
No lol. The Freeman only wanted independence from off-world rule. However, they just so happen to sit on the most valuable commodity in the universe. They were content with letting off-worlders pillage the spice as long as they did not interfere with freeman dealings. Infact the movie NEVER really explains why the Harkonnen were so cruel towards the Freeman causing friction between the two. I guess the Harkonnen just viewed Freeman as vermin fit for extermination. Paul exploited the freeman to his own avail because he truly believes he was the Kwisatz Haderach and thus to save mankind from extinction needs to put it onto the Golden Path. The Jihad was one of the only paths he could see to do so, but will learn later he made a miscalculation with his prescience vision.
The Reverend Mother makes that abundantly clear when she telepathically told Jessica that "you of all people should know there are no sides." The Bene Jesserit had so many irons in so many different sides that they were playing both sides against the middle. Both Paul and Feyd-Rautha had potential to suit the Bene Jesserit's goals.
In the movie itself Princess Irulan says the same. A dead Messiah makes him even more powerful. If he'd have died there, none of the emperor's goons including himself would have lived
Wait 'til you read the original novel, which is where it ALL comes from! 😁 The lore is actually much more rich and complex and satisfying than you can imagine!! ❤ Frank Herbert was a creative genius, which is why the movie is so good! 😊
You’re better off listening to the Islamic lectures about Mahdi and the anti christ and Jesus’s return. Dune took Islamic belief and made it into some fairy tale but Mahdi was mentioned by the prophet Muhammad.
Same here. After seeing it on Sunday, I texted two friends to have a 3 way conversation on the movies. I'm going to go see it again on Wednesday. I am totally engrossed in the hype and the movie.
22:37 Brian: I'm not the Messiah! Arthur: I say you are, Lord, and I should know, I've followed a few! Crowd: Hail, Messiah! Brian: I'm not the Messiah! Will you please listen?! I'm not the Messiah, do you understand?! Honestly! Woman: [pauses] Only the true Messiah denies his divinity!
I said it in my head even before Stilgar said the line. As soon as Paul said "I am not the Mehdi", I thought of the line "only the true messiah would deny his divinity" and then Stilgar says "the Mehdi is too humble to admit he is the Mehdi" and I thought, "ah there is is!"
Love the moment Paul reunites with Gurney Halleck, and says "I recognize your footsteps, old man." Referencing the end of Paul's vision when he first inhales the spice in the first movie. That forethought writing is rarely achieved in franchises.
Also referencing that scene early in the book/first film when Gurney berates Paul for having his back against a door and Paul tells him he recognized his steps.
@@ieatgremlins I suppose the best way to describe "Dune: part 2" is to say it was like watching "Rob Roy" on steriods and set in a fantasy or science fiction world, but still not as good a movie as the original, but only turn Luke Skywalker (Rob Roy) into Anakin Skywalker (the Mahdi of Islam). 156) Rob Roy (1995) 164) Dune: part 2 (2024) "Dune: part 2" is worth seeing. Denis Villeneuve stayed true to the book enough, in the sense characters can see it all happening as good or bad or good and bad and yet you as the viewer or reader can make up your own mind too. In other words, do you see this hero as worth it or not worth it. It's up to you. I was surprised Denis Villeneuve in "Dune: part 1" had the Fremen call Paul the Mahdi, as that was a dead give away that this whole thing is an Islamic end times vision. Frank Herbert did not come out and say it, but while I read "Dune" as a kid I knew the whole things smelled of T. E. Lawrence of Arabia joining the Muslims in World War One to be a leader figure of the desert only this was more Anti-Christ type vision of the future. I think in that sense it stays true to what Frank Herbert said, "I am showing you the superhero syndrome and your own participation in it." - Frank Herbert, speaking about "Dune." Now I see it from Zendaya's perspective; hence, I love the ending as completely open ended as to whether they achieve or don't achieve, but that many are for it as the dye is cast and some are disbelievers of it seeing the conflict is not over nor is any success guaranteed. In that sense it was brilliant, but it didn't crack my top 100 favorites movies list. "A Princess of Mars" by writer Edgar Rice Burroughs inspired many things along with the movie adaptation of the book called "John Carter" in 2012 by Disney, such as: Star Wars, Avatar, Indiana Jones, Superman, Dune, and writer Ray Douglas Bradbury with "The Martian Chronicles," which I read as a child. Here is where such things fall on my favorite movies list: 20) Star Wars: the Empire Strikes Back (1980) 21) Star Wars: a New Hope (1977) 41) Superman II (1980) 112) John Carter (2012) 121) Avatar (2009) 125) Man of Steel (2013) 148) Star Wars: Return of the Jedi (1983) 164) Dune: part 2 (2024) 270) Dune: part 1 (2021) The main reason for me to watch Dune 2 is to see whether Zendaya Coleman surpasses female actresses I loved in the past, which I don't believe she has yet. And to see if the vision of the Mahdi in his ascension can be depicted well. Denis Villeneuve delivered. I suppose movie three will be can Islam rule well? I doubt it in reality, or for depiction in the next movie, and I doubt the 3rd movie would surpass the 2nd. Zendaya is in my top 13 favorite actors based on the list below. She is certainly doing well for her career and I'm happy for her in that sense. 10) Spiderman: No Way Home (2021) 96) The Greatest Showman (2017) 164) Dune: part 2 (2024) 191) Spiderman: Far from Home (2019) 198) Spiderman: Homecoming (2017) 270) Dune: part 1 (2021) “I loved you, so I drew these tides of men into my hands And wrote my will across the Sky and stars To earn you freedom, the seven Pillared worthy house, That your eyes might be Shining for me When we came Death seemed my servant on the Road, 'til we were near And saw you waiting: When you smiled and in sorrowful Envy he outran me And took you apart: Into his quietness Love, the way-weary, groped to your body, Our brief wage Ours for the moment Before Earth's soft hand explored your shape And the blind Worms grew fat upon Your substance Men prayed me that I set our work, The inviolate house, As a memory of you But for fit monument I shattered it, Unfinished: and now The little things creep out to patch Themselves hovels In the marred shadow Of your gift.” ― T. E. Lawrence, "The Seven Pillars of Wisdom" Sting and the whole David Lynch "Dune" of the 80s was insane. ruclips.net/video/aENX1Sf3fgQ/видео.html
@@ieatgremlins In the book Paul has this conversation with Thufir Hawat not with Gurney. He is one of the important characters in the book but unfortunately we didn't see enough of him in the movies.
@@omercivanmert2499 I could have sworn it was Gurney but it’s been a long time since I read it and the book and movie are blending a little bit in my memory 😂
As an IR photographer it was wonderful to find out this was the case. IR has a unique look when it comes to how it interacts with different materials. The scene where the BG walk out side and it transitions from color to IR was insane to see.
Were they now, interesting 🤔 I’ve done some IR B&W photography myself. It’s particularly dramatic for landscapes, where the sky comes out black and foliage white. I took a photo at St. James park near Buckingham Palace, and because there was so much green foliage and grass, the photo looked like everything was snow covered. A really cool effect!
Supposedly the lore explanation was that the sunlight on their planet takes away colour, which is why in the night scenes and indoor scenes it still looks like regular colour. I think there's a shot where the Baron emerges from indoors out into the arena grandstand and you can actually see the transition from colour to monochrome in real time on his body
The Harkonens may have been changed from the book, but it's another example of changes in adaptation that serve the story and honor the spirit of the original work. It's yet another perfect showcase of how one's environment influences the development of culture, worldview, and societal attitudes.
They should have mentioned Chani being Liet Kynes' daugter, because teal ribbon she wears is sign of mourning. And when she puts it back on in the end, she's mournig loss of Paul she knew. It was a great moment that you wold probably miss if you didn't know her parentage, or rhe significance of the ribbon from the book.
@@SimonBuchanNz Yeah, and obviously it in was in the script and cut during the edit. Another book easter egg - Feyd's daggers, one black and one white - one was poisoned, but the one that was usually not. Like, traditionally, black would be coated, but he would coat white, so his oponents would be more wary of the wrong hand.
There was some applause at the IMAX screening I attended, but the conversation in the hallway afterwards was extremely positive. This is definitely the kind of movie that people will go see multiple times.
My screening on imax was awesome, the people was so hyped, one guy screamed out “yeah!” on one of the scenes (I won’t spoil which one) and there was laughs during the Stilgar parts. There was alot of applause at the end as well. I loved this film, I want to watch it again.
I saw it in IMAX, by the time the movie started, just before the WB logo, I was a bit shocked by the Sandworm sound effect that I could feel it in my seat
Hope so. It deserves it. So far, it seems like it won't be quite as big of a success as people were hoping, but I hope that it nonetheless continues to have legs. I will definitely be seeing this at least one more time. I saw it first with family. Might find friends to go with next, and maybe if I find I have nothing better to do down the line, I might see it by myself (the difference between seeing a movie in a theater by yourself and with a group is significant).
A lot of small things from part 1 paid off in this movie in satisfying ways. For example, in part 1 it’s mentioned to the duke that the airfield is one of arakreen’s two weak points. Paul using this information to ambush the emperor at the airfield in dune part 2 was sooooo satisfying having seen the first movie just prior
Favorite scene in the film was him storming into the throne room and just stabbing the Baron in the throat while everyone watches knowing they can't do a damn thing.
@@zeroThreeSixHD yea same. There was something about his inevitable power that just made it so bad ass. Like, they took down the empire in a flash and that momentum was fire
I'm glad this movie doesn't have to go against Oppenheimer in this year's Oscars. Not because I'd want one to win over the other but because they're truly two of the greatest films of recent years, or ever, and both really do deserve to have their own time to shine at the Oscars.
I liked the way Alia was handled in this adaptation. Though not ‘book accurate’ the spirit of her Bene Gesserit knowledge is conveyed through Jessica and Paul’s dialogue
Yes it's good to see a review by someone who gets the point: people are trapped by many ways into acting very predictably and following someone else's script. The entire book series is about an existentialist rejection of that mode of living. In the series people are continually forced into living creatively and intentionally in order to prevail. In the final books even the Bene Gesserit need to reconsider who they are.
Excellent point about rushing through the transformation of Paul. At that point in the movie I went from thinking "this is a long movie" to "slow down, you're going too fast".
As someone who's never read the books and only the movies. I was a little taken back but not surprised by the speed of his change after drinking the water of life. We saw how fast Jessica was sent off the deep end after her transformation, and the last movie he saw visions telling him how he would have to die for the Kwisatz Haderach to be born. Which is part of the whole "you'll die, and you may see" phrase. Point being I think the movies gave proper foreshadowing for the changes and consequences to come.
It is the first group of films where I've felt could even come CLOSE to the cinematic quality of LOTR. If Denis can tie off the trilogy in a way as satisfying as ROTK, then i believe the dune trilogy will have rivaled or even surpassed LOTR.
One of my favorite details in the movie is how Paul wins the duel with Feyd. He uses the move that Gurney teaches him in the first movie, a stab from below when all the action is up top.
Was a really cool detail but in the book it was described that Paul stabbed feyd in through the bottom of his jaw and out the top of his head and compared to that the movies scene is a little lackluster
If paul loses the fight he becomes martyred, as soon as he embraces the legend the empire's fate is sealed. If paul loses then stilgar and the feydakin would massacre the emperor, his daughter, and feyd before going out on their interstellar jihad.
Yes.Fremens were always meant to go to war no matter what happens.The only way that it wouldn't happen is if the other houses have excepted Paul as the new Emperor,which could never hsppen because of Bene Geseret.They were actually the ones who were running the whole empire .
The ending is definitely meant to be understood as a tragedy, but I get why he came to conclusion that the only way to come out the other side with the best outcome in a bad situation is to be the one to take the reins and at least have one hand on the wheel.
@@_Amit_Sunilspace travel is a common thing in Dune's universe. That's how humans got to Arrakis in the first place. Things get more complicated with interstellar travel (you need the Spacing Guild for that), but the attack that begins at the end of the movie is directed towards ships orbiting Arrakis. Nuclear missiles are extremely old technology, less sophisticated than some of the other weapons the Fremen used. Atomic weapons are quite common, but very rarely used because of a very strict rule: if a Great House uses atomics against human targets, all the other Great Houses will use their atomics to retaliate. Paul used his atomics against the Shield Wall, a geographical barrier that protected the city from storms and worms, so he dodged that prohibition.
Unfortunately Denis has made it clear that the two films are cut precisely the way he wanted, and that there's very little "extra" material from either... but I'd love to see a master cut of both films into one!
I honestly haven't felt so entranced by a film in a long time. Even leaving the theater, I was still thinking about it and wanting to watch it again! I don't remember the last movie that gave me the same feeling!
11:55 I thought it was pretty clear that Jessica was always manipulating Paul and the Bene Gesserit, right from the opening scene with them having breakfast she's pushing him to use the Voice, and it's made pretty clear throughout the first part that she has her own plan to highjack the Bebe Gesserit's longer term attempt to make their own (looks it up) Kwisatz Haderach. Paul specifically complains about her manipulations at least a couple of times, and when Ledo directly asks if she will protect her son she deflects.
I don't think she necessarily deflected. She Said that she would do anything she could to protect and help Paul. Leto could terse by asking if the Bene Jesserit would help and protect him. That's what she deflects from, and with good reason, because she had no way of promising that considering she wasn't supposed to birth him in the first place. I think she absolutely meant it when she said she cared for Paul and would do everything in her power to help him. It's just that her idea of what would help him involved manipulating him and thise around him into going in the direction she thought was best for him. Someone can be a sincerely loving and manipulative parent at the same time because people are complicated and often misguided.
@@Tyler_W huh, I admit watching 6 hours in a row fried my brain pretty bad, but I thought she said something like "how can you even ask me that" to the first? I'm perfectly willing to admit I'm wrong though.
Except that's not the reason she had a son. She had Paul because she ended up loving Duke Leto, and gave him a son out of love for him. Jessica is not some evil schemer the way she's portrayed in the movie.
5:20 after reading the book, Im thankful we got as much as we did, the book doesnt really speed run it, they kinda skip it, i know its not the point of everything, but the spectacle was awesome
As a super fan of the book I approve of what they left out and sped through, because they spent the time to show they understood what Frank Herbert was saying about messiah figures.
Same. I've read the original novel about five times since I was a child, and have read all the other novels, including the ones published by Herbert's son and editor from his rich source material after his death. College courses have actually been taught upon DUNE. It is a wonder of creative writing. At first I was a bit mad at what Villeneuve chose to leave out, but I saw how well he captured the overall flow and essence of the novel. It works for people who adore the novel, and for people who never even knew about the novel, & my hope is that people will want to explore the DUNE universe more by reading the novel! ❤😊
I wish the trailers didn't spoil the scene of the sand worms coming through the dust cloud in the final battle. That would've been a cool thing to see for the first time during the movie.
This is why you never, ever ever watch trailers to movies that you know you're going to see. Even one glimpse of something from the trailer could ruin an amazing moment on the big screen. I'm glad I didn't watch the trailers
I would have minded it less if there was actually more to the final battle than what we saw in the trailers. The worms coming out of the storm is basically a third of the battle and lasts for a few seconds.
17:42 In think with Chalamet’s performance and all the build up (i.e. showing his reluctance to go south and talking about losing Chani), it’s pretty clear the water of life changed him into a different person. I appreciate Denis didn’t handheld the audience and just show what was needed to get the point across. It’s also more effective this way because it’s shown through the characters instead of explaining the lore. Lore is for the appendix in a book, and can and should be cut from the movie.
i loved it, the third act is so strong and TC...his holds the screen so well with his face in the last fight he doesn't need words. Real work there, I hope he's remembered.
Dan, I just want to say I subscribed to your channel because of videos like these where you do a fantastic job of taking the layers of films and discussing each part. It just feeds the fire of my love of cinema. I'm not saying every film deserves this but there are films like this, where my friends and I sat in the theater while the credits were rolling to talk about the film. There are movies where you watch it and say, "That was fun" and you go home and then there's ones where you sit and peel the layers. So, I really appreciate this. Thank you, and keep up the great content!
One of the things I love about this director is his respect for who came before. nothing says this more than the scene of the ants crawling on the ear of the baron after he is cast out in the desert. this is an incredible wink to David Lynch, and one of the most subtle things I've seen in a movie in a long time. 2049 also had quite a few of these.
Paul's transformation was not rushed. The vast majority of the movie was about his transformation. When he first arrived among the Fremen, he was intending to "fulfill prophecy"...he told Jessica the Bene Gesserit propaganda was taking hold but there were many who would need convincing. He started backing away from that as he got to know them and his focused shifted more to becoming one of them. Eventually he realized there was no other real option (Gurney's alternative wasn't feasible). So he decided to go forward with the "messiah" path. But the Water of Life DOES result in a sudden transformation. Just as what happened with Jessica - because (1) he now has the memories of all reverend mothers of the past and (2) the spice melange gave him clear vision so that he could see only one path forward. He said as much. So, no, the transformation made sense. What I felt was a bit rushed was the speed with which the movie moved toward the final battle and how quickly it was over. That did seem a bit rushed. It was still incredible and masterful, though.
Agreed. I agree with his point that maybe they should have explored what actually happened to Paul a little more. That and the final battle should have lasted a little longer. I also could have used another scene with Feyd and the Baron scheming alongside Princess Irulan and the Padashah Emperor. The problem is that idk what you could have cut instead.
You haven’t even seen anything. Wait until Paul becomes blind, gets exiled from the fremen, Duncan becomes Ghola, and Paul merges with a worm to be immortal
Saw it tonight in a sold-out theater. It's an absolute masterpiece, and builds brilliantly on the first one. As a fan of the books, I'm still in awe at how well Denis Villeneuve has managed to adapt the story - it's like he reached straight into my imagination, grabbed what I saw, and threw it out on the screen. As for the things in part 2, I love the direction he took with Chani as it feels more consistent and more of a build up to the Chani of the latter books in the Dune series. The slow, methodical march towards destruction, and people ending up pawns in the traps of their own making is perfectly in keeping with the book, and continues to demonstrate why Dune is such a compelling story. Plans within plans. Austin Butler as Feyd-Rautha was masterfully done, showing the cruelty, pride, arrogance, and nepotism that spills out of the book. The way the awakening of the pre-born Alia during the Water of Life ceremony was done was masterful, and Anya Taylor Joy is the perfect casting to play Alia in future installments, and to explore the horror of being ripped to consciousness prior to birth, and constantly fighting with the stronger personalities welling up from the genetic memory, while being overwhelmed since she had no ability to form her own personality ahead of time. This already moves in how the others through her are impacting Jessica, and I can't wait to see how they explore this area.
As always, you put out the best reviews on RUclips. You're someone who understands the movie and the book and are very articulate to put those thoughts forward. Thank you for this review! 😊
THANK YOU!!! I haven’t heard another person so eloquently put the differences in adaptations of certain IPs and I can’t thank you enough! YOU GET IT!!!
As a lover of the book I actually enjoyed the movies more. Think of it this way, "Jaws" was a good book but the movie was better. I think Denis understood the book and given the tools he had at his disposal he made great choices. I can't wait for the third film knowing what happens in the next two books.
Yeah the book was written in the 60s and after the first book, shit starts getting WEIRD. I hope Denis nails the last movie and stops because he knows Children and God Emperor the shit goes off the rails. 😅😅
It’s an excellent film not doubt, but I really think it misses some of the crazier/abstract psychedelic stuff from their visions and even Guild Navigators going through space. It’s a little too clean and not weird enough imo.
@@dfchang813I could see him try to borrow elements of Children of Dune for Dune Messiah, but if thry continue to make this a franchise, the really weird stuff might be better suited as a miniseries.
@@BL-mf3jp Of course everything’s subjective so your opinion is valid. But it was generally well received with a 71% approval rating on Rotten Tomatoes, based on 122 reviews. Hate to quote Wikipedia back at you, but Enemy earned ten nominations at the 2nd Canadian Screen Awards, winning five, including Best Director for Villeneuve, and Canadian Screen Award for Best Supporting Actress for Gadon. It was named Best Canadian Film of the Year at the Toronto Film Critics Association Awards 2014.
@@BL-mf3jpIt was weird, but I liked it. It is my least favorite of his modern American work (haven't seen his early French-Canadian stuff yet). Some people have the biggest issue with Blade Runner 2049. Great sci-fi movie imo, but I can see why some take issue with it as a Blade Runner sequel. Still very much enjoyed it for what it was. Shame it hasn't really done well, but I'm glad it didn't bar Denis from future ambitious opportunities.
Thank you for the intelligent book versus movie perspective. Many of the other RUclips reviews spend too much time obsessing over what was changed and not truly appreciating the movie.
I truly hope people will discover the rich complexity of the vast universe Frank Herbert built in the novels. ❤ They will really have their minds blown then!!
Haha... well we'll see how people receive it... Dune Messiah is a hard left turn for fans who think Paul is the hero... Though I have no doubt the quality and the story telling will be superb!
@@charlottegerken4477I have a feeling Dune: Messiah will focus less on the weird stuff with the ghola and the Tleilaxu and more on the economic and emotional cost of the holy war, the plotting against him will of course be there but I think it will be more of a great houses last stand against Paul, Alia and the Fremen with the end setting up the children to continue the dynasty.
I totally wish we had more detail while watching it. I really had that "ride of the rohirrim" feeling seeing the worms coming in for the first time. However, the ending fight between Baronboi and Paul made me completely forget about it until you mentioned it. One of the best knife fights I've seen in cinema - I was clutching my pearls!
I clocked the visual of the Fremen torching a pile of Harkonnen bodies near the end, an exact reflection of Hark torching Atreides bodies at the beginning of this movie (and/or the end of the last movie?). A direct message to the audience: The Cycle Continues.
Denis Villeneuve explained in an interview that he filmed the sequence of Giedi Prime using infrared cameras to create those “black sun” haunting images.
Definitely not. This story is a tragedy if nothing else. The Star Wars prequels definitely take even more inspiration from Dune than the original trilogy did in that respect.
I think Villenueve is taking a break to do a smaller movie first before going full swing into Dune Messiah or Dune part 3 or whatever they're calling it. Personally, I'm kinda sick of being "part 1" etc in movies even if it does work well here. I would have preferred part 1 ajd 2 to have been called Dune, Dune Prophet, and Dune Messiah. It would just seem kinda weird ti call the trilogy Dune part 1, Dune part 2, and Dune Messiah, and it might feel off to call the third Dune part 3.
I feel like the only thing that this adaptation missed is a plotline about whether Jessica is a traitor or not? It was my favourite part of the story and the conversation between Jessica and Thuvir is my favourite part of the book.
I wish the first movie had that plot line and more of the environmental themes, like at the dinner party. That would also have setup more of the politics we see in the second movie.
To the Atredies? She's certainly a traitor to the empire and at least somewhat to the Bene Gesserit - though it's pretty tough to tell what they count as betrayal, the squirrelly bints.
@@SimonBuchanNzin the book and the first movie there’s a plot line where the baron causing some in fighting between the Atreides. In order the successfully infiltrate they must distract the atreides mentat, because he so good at his job, so they mislead him into thinking Jessica is a traitor
This is probably one of the best spoiler review and analysis of the adaptation and its themes out there right now. A lot of people really don't seem to get the point, and to be fair, a part of that is because Denis doesn't try to bold the viewer's hand, but that's why it's great. We need more intelligsnt movies that expect more from audiences and leave the viewer to think about what they saw for themselves instead of being so quick to dictate at the audience what they should think and feel in the most preachy and superficial manner possible. I also completely agree with your take in regards to adaptation. Sometimes direct adaptations are better. Other times, heck, often times, things get lost in translation from one medium to another, and adjustments need to be made to best serve the medium a story is being adapted to. So long as it shows respect to the source material and shows a level of understanding of it, I'm not bothered by most changes, especially when adaptation doesn't take away from the existence of the original source material. While I agree that LOTR isn't a direct patallel across the board, I think the Dune movies handled its approach to adaptation that LOTR took as well. PJ's LOTR is indeed very different from the books, but it doesn't sacrifice their thematic essence or lose the spirit of the thing, and the same goes for Dune.
An absolute Masterpiece. There are movies and there are experiences. For me The Dune Experience is just another level. Cinematography: Hand him an Oscar. Sound/Editing: Hand them an Oscar. Timothy Chalemet: Give me best actor.
Question for book readers. Does Feyd Rautha also get dream visions? Because he said he had seen Margot Fenring in his dreams before, like how Paul did with Chani.
Yes he gets multiple different visions because the future isn't set in stone. He gets many different looks into the possibility of different futures yet choose one that kills 6 billion people
Been a long time since I read the book but I think no he didn't. I do like the change since it's as close to saying 'seeing the future isn't that rare in the setting' as the movie had time for and that's a huge misconception people have about it.
@@JeremiahTownsendMargot Fenring’s husband Count Hasmir Fenring is also a potential. But due to a genetic flaw he is a eunuch and can’t pass on his genes properly. In the books he is at the gladiatoral game with Margot and is well aware of her plans for Feyd.
Agree with everything here. Quick question: does anyone remember what video it was where Dan explained the different types of imax? I wish that was its own video!
Urm..not specifically, but it was only a couple of weeks ago or so. It was a question from the mint mobile line, - so if in doubt, just go back a few vids and skip to those parts and you'll find it
One blooper I noticed. When Paul is running to jump on the sandworm, he’s not wearing his goggles and then they magically appear on his face when he catches it after he jumps on it.
My general thoughts - 1. this was way better than the first 2. I can't wait for the third, I wanted it to keep going. 3. i think Walken was miscast. 4. Stars Wars really took a lot from Dune, and looks like a way watered down version. I don't think I can go back to SW again
i just saw it on IMAX and i will never forget it. ive loved the book since i was 15. reread it countless times now. i didnt think it would ever be properly adapted to (two) film. breathtaking gorgeous cinema!
I’ve seen it twice now. And while I liked it, I found the first one to be more interesting and nuanced, with better writing to boot. Unfortunately part 2 didn’t live up to the hype for me. It was a beautiful looking if more conventional action Sci-Fi flic compared to part 1 IMO.
Oddly enough, I feel the same way about the book lol. The last 100 pages of the book had so much lore and plot crammed into it. Paul went from drinking the Water of Life and becoming the Kwisatz, had a conversation with his mother and Chani, and the narrative went straight to final act.
Great review Dan. I had the same thoughts regarding the adaptation, especially the short shrift that Paul got after taking the water of life. So much of that part of the story and the second book is about navigating between WORSE possible futures, and as bad as the path he chooses is, how he’s trapped as “the lesser evil”. The shot on his hands, illustrating that narrow path was good, but I think the meaning may have been lost on a lot of viewers. They had repeated horrific imagery of the horrible results of the path he does take, but not how bad it could be say…if he did lose the knife fight. And while I agree cutting Leto II and saving Alia for the next movie makes sense, I think this film really needed some appearance from the Spacing Guild…which is the power that even the emperor answers to. Thats something that the Lynch version totally nailed. Anyways, as a lifelong Dube fan who used to be in a Dune themed hardcore band, I really appreciate the thoughtful review and taking the time to discuss the politics and spirit of Herbert’s book. ♥️
Perfect review, you clearly know the themes of the books and it shows, well done! As someone who has read all 6 books numerous times the whole saga of the Atreides dynasty becomes a cautionary tale of power and manipulation, that by the end you begin to question was any of it really worth the cost.
16:14 about the way it was adapted I think there’s a really great quote from a Villeneuve interview where he was talking about cutting things & he said something like “it was a painful choice but I wanted this to be a Bene Gesserit movie.” After watching I think I get it. The Bene Gesserit show that power is always 1 step ahead, Paul tries desperately to avoid going south until Zendaya tells him that our paths were chosen for us. Paul was groomed for this role his entire life & even as powerful as he is by the end, his new bride is a Bene Gesserit, the only influential voice left in his life r his mom & new wife which will both manipulate him on some level.
I have read all six of the Frank Herbert Dune books several times which I love very much and I think that the only thing that was left out was some of the inner monologue of Paul and Lady Jessica when they drank the water of life. Outside of that I think that Denis made the story better because Frank didn't kill his darlings around Leto II and maybe the times where women were meant to stay behind. I loved the changes in this version.
The city where i stay in India, the hooting, cheering and screaming happens during big moments in a movie. But Dune 2 was the first movie where the entire packed hall sat in rapt attention and clapped at the very end. Its a proper sign of respect towards a movie
It’s interesting you mentioned Austin Butler’s choice of voice in the movie, how to a certain degree he mimicked Stellan Skarsgard’s voice. Well in the bonus features on the Dune Part Two Blu-ray, they specifically discuss that choice in the special feature, Becoming Feyd. Worth checking out.
People rarely, cheer, laugh or clap at movies in England but when Stilgar goes "The mahdi is too humble to admit he's the mahdi" that did get a laugh
Yep, I did that when I watched it on friday
this scene is pure Life of Brian, in the best possible way
@@DiasThiago100My first thought as Stilgar said it, was oh no! Followers of the Gourd versus followers of the Sandal..😂😂
Same hereeee
Monty Python indoctrinating modern cinema with their top tier humour decades in advance - like a manufactured comedy prophecy. There's a meta parallel here somewhere, I think... So glad this comment is at the top of the feed...
Can we talk about how satisfying it was when Paul “screamed” right back at the emperor’s mother reverend at the end of the movie? I’ll never forget how good that felt
Abomination!
Yeah, it's the most satisfying moment of the both films. It was so called for!
"Blasphemy!"
Oh man I absolutely loved that
That and the part when he basically told the emperor to bend the knee. My mind went straight to the Tim Burton Planet of the Apes movie with Michael Clarke Duncan as that huge silverback gorilla Warrior. "BOW YOUR HEAD!"
The black and white gladiator arena sequence on Giedi Prime alone was worthy of 5 stars
It was gorgeous!
Agree
@@Noirlore What doctor?
@@tronam the last one that that stood a chance. Its such a strange way to show how string Feyd is. Two drugged artreides members (purposeful to show how they are corrupted) and an old guy doesn't necessarily scream that Feyd is an excellent fighter. Its just a weak first glance at an audience standpoint
@@marcochen9117 I see what you mean, but what makes you think he was a doctor?
What's in the popcorn bucket?
Pain.
Underrated comment 😂
If next video comes, it means he is alive, it means he is the one
As Written 👐🏻
That's awesome
Great comment 😂
Lovely Naruto reference
My mom hates Star Wars, sci-fi, and fantasy overall. She watched part 1 a few days ago and saw part 2 with me in theatres--she loved it. She loved the story, the implications, the feeling, and the character-building. I was worried she would walk out at some point, but she stayed until the end credits with me and talked about it for hours afterward. This franchise is really special.
My Mom‘s the same :D I‘m so glad she liked it
So glad she can enjoy the genre.
My whole family was rapt watching PART ONE! We were totally immersed in PART TWO and talked about it for Days afterward.
@emiliesalazar2961 -- Indeed, Dune Part 2 is the perfect film for people who hate sci-fi and fantasy -- both cinema and novels. It's a three-hour-long, Dune-themed *music video,* entirely drained of interesting ideas and characters. Outside of getting the names right, nothing of Frank Herbert's novel remains. It's the triumph of spectacle over substance, nothing less than "The Feelies" -- straight out of Huxley's "Brave New World" -- barren of literacy and coherence.
I'm glad you and your mom had a fun day out (cheers!), but there's not enough soma in the world to make this picayune dreck enjoyable to me. As a lifelong fan of "Dune," I tried very hard to enjoy the film -- to just shut off my brain and "give in to deliciousness" -- but after all of the stupid/senseless moments began to pile up, I just couldn't bear it; when the final credits began to roll, I thanked Shai-Hulud from the bottom of my chakra and beat feet out of the theatres, grateful that there was still enough daylight left for me to make something of my day.
My mom too
Stilgar is the most tragic character to me. Even in the book there is a good line where Paul realised that Stilgar was no longer a friend, but a follower. The later books really show the damage the Atreides do to the Fremen
Very true, heartbreaking
Yes. There are several character adaptations in this movie that differ from the first book, but I get what they are doing and I like it, because I think it is going to bridge their future character arcs better than the books do, where some of the personalities become different very abruptly from one book to the next.
He called him an animal iirc
It is so epic, that Paul kills Feyd-Rautha in a similar way, that Gurney showed him in the training sequence from the first movie.
And that feyd’s last words are the same thing he says in the arena fight
@@idawg7332 what was it again?
@@CinemaRescored You fought well atreides
@@CinemaRescoredwell fought attreides
And the smile in Gurney's face said that he thought the same.
I think the book explains it that it wouldnt matter if he lost or won. The damage was done, he created a messiah for the fremen and the holy war was innevitable at that point.
No lol. The Freeman only wanted independence from off-world rule. However, they just so happen to sit on the most valuable commodity in the universe. They were content with letting off-worlders pillage the spice as long as they did not interfere with freeman dealings. Infact the movie NEVER really explains why the Harkonnen were so cruel towards the Freeman causing friction between the two. I guess the Harkonnen just viewed Freeman as vermin fit for extermination.
Paul exploited the freeman to his own avail because he truly believes he was the Kwisatz Haderach and thus to save mankind from extinction needs to put it onto the Golden Path. The Jihad was one of the only paths he could see to do so, but will learn later he made a miscalculation with his prescience vision.
The Reverend Mother makes that abundantly clear when she telepathically told Jessica that "you of all people should know there are no sides." The Bene Jesserit had so many irons in so many different sides that they were playing both sides against the middle. Both Paul and Feyd-Rautha had potential to suit the Bene Jesserit's goals.
In the movie itself Princess Irulan says the same. A dead Messiah makes him even more powerful. If he'd have died there, none of the emperor's goons including himself would have lived
Dune 2 is cinema , I wanted to shed tears after watching this movie. Science fiction has reached pinnacle
Seing 3 times this week-end in 3 formats.
I definitely cried. It was incredible!
I did shed tears, Im gonna go watch it again in imax dolby atmos soon
Just saw it. It was incredible! Probably going to see it again.
Make more of these movies
I saw DUNE 2 on Sunday and I have been relentlessly watching Dune content ever since. This film truly has awaken my passion for this world.
Welcome, there is plenty of room 😊 and years of material to catch up on 👍
Wait 'til you read the original novel, which is where it ALL comes from! 😁
The lore is actually much more rich and complex and satisfying than you can imagine!! ❤
Frank Herbert was a creative genius, which is why the movie is so good! 😊
Got a few pointers?
You’re better off listening to the Islamic lectures about Mahdi and the anti christ and Jesus’s return. Dune took Islamic belief and made it into some fairy tale but Mahdi was mentioned by the prophet Muhammad.
Same here. After seeing it on Sunday, I texted two friends to have a 3 way conversation on the movies. I'm going to go see it again on Wednesday. I am totally engrossed in the hype and the movie.
22:37 Brian: I'm not the Messiah!
Arthur: I say you are, Lord, and I should know, I've followed a few!
Crowd: Hail, Messiah!
Brian: I'm not the Messiah! Will you please listen?! I'm not the Messiah, do you understand?! Honestly!
Woman: [pauses] Only the true Messiah denies his divinity!
Literally the reference my mate made as we watched it last night. :)
I said it in my head even before Stilgar said the line. As soon as Paul said "I am not the Mehdi", I thought of the line "only the true messiah would deny his divinity" and then Stilgar says "the Mehdi is too humble to admit he is the Mehdi" and I thought, "ah there is is!"
Exactly what came into my mind...
@@Yggdrasil42 Mine as well.
Love the moment Paul reunites with Gurney Halleck, and says "I recognize your footsteps, old man." Referencing the end of Paul's vision when he first inhales the spice in the first movie. That forethought writing is rarely achieved in franchises.
Also referencing that scene early in the book/first film when Gurney berates Paul for having his back against a door and Paul tells him he recognized his steps.
That’s a recurring phrase that’s first mentioned when Gurney warns Paul that he is vulnerable when he exposes his back to the door.
@@ieatgremlins I suppose the best way to describe "Dune: part 2" is to say it was like watching "Rob Roy" on steriods and set in a fantasy or science fiction world, but still not as good a movie as the original, but only turn Luke Skywalker (Rob Roy) into Anakin Skywalker (the Mahdi of Islam).
156) Rob Roy (1995)
164) Dune: part 2 (2024)
"Dune: part 2" is worth seeing. Denis Villeneuve stayed true to the book enough, in the sense characters can see it all happening as good or bad or good and bad and yet you as the viewer or reader can make up your own mind too. In other words, do you see this hero as worth it or not worth it. It's up to you.
I was surprised Denis Villeneuve in "Dune: part 1" had the Fremen call Paul the Mahdi, as that was a dead give away that this whole thing is an Islamic end times vision. Frank Herbert did not come out and say it, but while I read "Dune" as a kid I knew the whole things smelled of T. E. Lawrence of Arabia joining the Muslims in World War One to be a leader figure of the desert only this was more Anti-Christ type vision of the future.
I think in that sense it stays true to what Frank Herbert said, "I am showing you the superhero syndrome and your own participation in it." - Frank Herbert, speaking about "Dune."
Now I see it from Zendaya's perspective; hence, I love the ending as completely open ended as to whether they achieve or don't achieve, but that many are for it as the dye is cast and some are disbelievers of it seeing the conflict is not over nor is any success guaranteed. In that sense it was brilliant, but it didn't crack my top 100 favorites movies list.
"A Princess of Mars" by writer Edgar Rice Burroughs inspired many things along with the movie adaptation of the book called "John Carter" in 2012 by Disney, such as: Star Wars, Avatar, Indiana Jones, Superman, Dune, and writer Ray Douglas Bradbury with "The Martian Chronicles," which I read as a child.
Here is where such things fall on my favorite movies list:
20) Star Wars: the Empire Strikes Back (1980)
21) Star Wars: a New Hope (1977)
41) Superman II (1980)
112) John Carter (2012)
121) Avatar (2009)
125) Man of Steel (2013)
148) Star Wars: Return of the Jedi (1983)
164) Dune: part 2 (2024)
270) Dune: part 1 (2021)
The main reason for me to watch Dune 2 is to see whether Zendaya Coleman surpasses female actresses I loved in the past, which I don't believe she has yet. And to see if the vision of the Mahdi in his ascension can be depicted well. Denis Villeneuve delivered. I suppose movie three will be can Islam rule well? I doubt it in reality, or for depiction in the next movie, and I doubt the 3rd movie would surpass the 2nd.
Zendaya is in my top 13 favorite actors based on the list below. She is certainly doing well for her career and I'm happy for her in that sense.
10) Spiderman: No Way Home (2021)
96) The Greatest Showman (2017)
164) Dune: part 2 (2024)
191) Spiderman: Far from Home (2019)
198) Spiderman: Homecoming (2017)
270) Dune: part 1 (2021)
“I loved you,
so I drew these tides of men into my hands
And wrote my will across the
Sky and stars
To earn you freedom, the seven
Pillared worthy house,
That your eyes might be
Shining for me
When we came
Death seemed my servant on the
Road, 'til we were near
And saw you waiting:
When you smiled and in sorrowful
Envy he outran me
And took you apart:
Into his quietness
Love, the way-weary,
groped to your body,
Our brief wage
Ours for the moment
Before Earth's soft hand explored your shape
And the blind
Worms grew fat upon
Your substance
Men prayed me
that I set our work,
The inviolate house,
As a memory of you
But for fit monument I shattered it,
Unfinished: and now
The little things creep out to patch
Themselves hovels
In the marred shadow
Of your gift.”
― T. E. Lawrence, "The Seven Pillars of Wisdom"
Sting and the whole David Lynch "Dune" of the 80s was insane.
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@@ieatgremlins In the book Paul has this conversation with Thufir Hawat not with Gurney. He is one of the important characters in the book but unfortunately we didn't see enough of him in the movies.
@@omercivanmert2499 I could have sworn it was Gurney but it’s been a long time since I read it and the book and movie are blending a little bit in my memory 😂
The gini prime scenes in black and white there were filmed in infrared, which is crazy since Denis said that there’s no color version of this.
As an IR photographer it was wonderful to find out this was the case. IR has a unique look when it comes to how it interacts with different materials. The scene where the BG walk out side and it transitions from color to IR was insane to see.
Were they now, interesting 🤔 I’ve done some IR B&W photography myself. It’s particularly dramatic for landscapes, where the sky comes out black and foliage white. I took a photo at St. James park near Buckingham Palace, and because there was so much green foliage and grass, the photo looked like everything was snow covered. A really cool effect!
Supposedly the lore explanation was that the sunlight on their planet takes away colour, which is why in the night scenes and indoor scenes it still looks like regular colour. I think there's a shot where the Baron emerges from indoors out into the arena grandstand and you can actually see the transition from colour to monochrome in real time on his body
Ask AI if there is/will be one!
The Harkonens may have been changed from the book, but it's another example of changes in adaptation that serve the story and honor the spirit of the original work. It's yet another perfect showcase of how one's environment influences the development of culture, worldview, and societal attitudes.
They should have mentioned Chani being Liet Kynes' daugter, because teal ribbon she wears is sign of mourning. And when she puts it back on in the end, she's mournig loss of Paul she knew. It was a great moment that you wold probably miss if you didn't know her parentage, or rhe significance of the ribbon from the book.
The ribbon seemed obviously significant, at least, and related to her no longer trusting Paul, but it's nice to hear the history behind it.
@@SimonBuchanNz Yeah, and obviously it in was in the script and cut during the edit.
Another book easter egg - Feyd's daggers, one black and one white - one was poisoned, but the one that was usually not. Like, traditionally, black would be coated, but he would coat white, so his oponents would be more wary of the wrong hand.
What what? That changes the whole character arc. I wondered why they didn't they give any indication of who her parents were.
You ate the popcorn of life
There was some applause at the IMAX screening I attended, but the conversation in the hallway afterwards was extremely positive. This is definitely the kind of movie that people will go see multiple times.
I’ve already seen it twice haha
My screening on imax was awesome, the people was so hyped, one guy screamed out “yeah!” on one of the scenes (I won’t spoil which one) and there was laughs during the Stilgar parts. There was alot of applause at the end as well. I loved this film, I want to watch it again.
I saw it in IMAX, by the time the movie started, just before the WB logo, I was a bit shocked by the Sandworm sound effect that I could feel it in my seat
We don't applaud here because there are no actors to hear it. So it's simply unnecessary. But we talk after, yeah.
Hope so. It deserves it. So far, it seems like it won't be quite as big of a success as people were hoping, but I hope that it nonetheless continues to have legs. I will definitely be seeing this at least one more time. I saw it first with family. Might find friends to go with next, and maybe if I find I have nothing better to do down the line, I might see it by myself (the difference between seeing a movie in a theater by yourself and with a group is significant).
A lot of small things from part 1 paid off in this movie in satisfying ways. For example, in part 1 it’s mentioned to the duke that the airfield is one of arakreen’s two weak points. Paul using this information to ambush the emperor at the airfield in dune part 2 was sooooo satisfying having seen the first movie just prior
I loved how Paul did a mixture of the Atreides salute and the Fremen "may thy knife chip and shatter" as he began to fight Feyd.
POWER. The 3 atomics then the sandworms.. jaw dropping. Then when Paul storms into the emperor's with complete power is so visceral
Favorite scene in the film was him storming into the throne room and just stabbing the Baron in the throat while everyone watches knowing they can't do a damn thing.
@@zeroThreeSixHD yea same. There was something about his inevitable power that just made it so bad ass. Like, they took down the empire in a flash and that momentum was fire
That was a great scene. But my favorite has to be Paul’s riding his 1st sand worm to be accepted by the people.
@Ann-vi5ns that was it for me too. When it cut to them all cheering, omg, the smile on my face!
After he dranked the worm piss and woke up and took control, all prophet like, my fav 🔥
I'm glad this movie doesn't have to go against Oppenheimer in this year's Oscars. Not because I'd want one to win over the other but because they're truly two of the greatest films of recent years, or ever, and both really do deserve to have their own time to shine at the Oscars.
I liked the way Alia was handled in this adaptation.
Though not ‘book accurate’ the spirit of her Bene Gesserit knowledge is conveyed through Jessica and Paul’s dialogue
Yes it's good to see a review by someone who gets the point: people are trapped by many ways into acting very predictably and following someone else's script. The entire book series is about an existentialist rejection of that mode of living. In the series people are continually forced into living creatively and intentionally in order to prevail. In the final books even the Bene Gesserit need to reconsider who they are.
Excellent point about rushing through the transformation of Paul. At that point in the movie I went from thinking "this is a long movie" to "slow down, you're going too fast".
As someone who's never read the books and only the movies. I was a little taken back but not surprised by the speed of his change after drinking the water of life. We saw how fast Jessica was sent off the deep end after her transformation, and the last movie he saw visions telling him how he would have to die for the Kwisatz Haderach to be born. Which is part of the whole "you'll die, and you may see" phrase. Point being I think the movies gave proper foreshadowing for the changes and consequences to come.
I think the third one might go back to that and explain it more
Lmao, Rebecca Ferguson literally says slow down 😂
Yeah I never normally come out of a new 3hr film going "could have done with another 5 to 10 minutes" but I did here which is incredible, really
He drank the koolaid
The Sun/Moon eclipse is just ridiculously epic to look at. So is the rest of the film
I think Dune has been the most beautiful cinematic experience since LOTR
Agree
It is the first group of films where I've felt could even come CLOSE to the cinematic quality of LOTR. If Denis can tie off the trilogy in a way as satisfying as ROTK, then i believe the dune trilogy will have rivaled or even surpassed LOTR.
@@FPSBuzzcross finger
One of my favorite details in the movie is how Paul wins the duel with Feyd.
He uses the move that Gurney teaches him in the first movie, a stab from below when all the action is up top.
Was a really cool detail but in the book it was described that Paul stabbed feyd in through the bottom of his jaw and out the top of his head and compared to that the movies scene is a little lackluster
If paul loses the fight he becomes martyred, as soon as he embraces the legend the empire's fate is sealed. If paul loses then stilgar and the feydakin would massacre the emperor, his daughter, and feyd before going out on their interstellar jihad.
Yes.Fremens were always meant to go to war no matter what happens.The only way that it wouldn't happen is if the other houses have excepted Paul as the new Emperor,which could never hsppen because of Bene Geseret.They were actually the ones who were running the whole empire .
The ending is definitely meant to be understood as a tragedy, but I get why he came to conclusion that the only way to come out the other side with the best outcome in a bad situation is to be the one to take the reins and at least have one hand on the wheel.
How is a race of desert people suddenly master of inter planetary space travel and nuclear weapons
@@_Amit_Sunilspace travel is a common thing in Dune's universe. That's how humans got to Arrakis in the first place. Things get more complicated with interstellar travel (you need the Spacing Guild for that), but the attack that begins at the end of the movie is directed towards ships orbiting Arrakis. Nuclear missiles are extremely old technology, less sophisticated than some of the other weapons the Fremen used. Atomic weapons are quite common, but very rarely used because of a very strict rule: if a Great House uses atomics against human targets, all the other Great Houses will use their atomics to retaliate. Paul used his atomics against the Shield Wall, a geographical barrier that protected the city from storms and worms, so he dodged that prohibition.
I'm so happy for DV, to love a book so much and bring it to everyone so they can love it so much...what a treat, he deserves the love
I'm declaring this the best intro that Dan has ever done 🤣
It's SALTY LMAOOOO
You mean that Dan has ever......dune?
@@mattramos5822I see what you did there😅
@@mattramos5822 well played, sir.
@@mattramos5822nope missed it
This video repeatedly refers to Paul's "gifts". But in the Baron's words from Part I, "When is a gift not a gift?"
I hope we get an extended 3+ hr. cut of Dune
Unfortunately Denis has made it clear that the two films are cut precisely the way he wanted, and that there's very little "extra" material from either... but I'd love to see a master cut of both films into one!
He doesn’t do director’s cuts **cries** 😭😭😭
Watch both movies together. That's the director's cut.
I honestly haven't felt so entranced by a film in a long time. Even leaving the theater, I was still thinking about it and wanting to watch it again! I don't remember the last movie that gave me the same feeling!
Well said. Felt the exact same. Made me sad in a way the experience was over
Yeah!! I'm still feeling it 3 days later! :D It was and is glorious. I almost felt the Fremens religious ferver. Crazy!!
Incredibly well said as usual Dan! Also, it was a pleasure meeting you after experiencing this film for the first time!
Went last night in IMAX, but they were sadly out of the worm popcorn buckets. Loved every frame of the movie!
IMAX was a great experience, before the WB logo started my theater were entirely shocked by the Sandworm's sound, like I could just feel it in my seat
11:55 I thought it was pretty clear that Jessica was always manipulating Paul and the Bene Gesserit, right from the opening scene with them having breakfast she's pushing him to use the Voice, and it's made pretty clear throughout the first part that she has her own plan to highjack the Bebe Gesserit's longer term attempt to make their own (looks it up) Kwisatz Haderach.
Paul specifically complains about her manipulations at least a couple of times, and when Ledo directly asks if she will protect her son she deflects.
Leto
@@honorsilverthorne7227 but you missed "Bebe Gesserit" 😄
I don't think she necessarily deflected. She Said that she would do anything she could to protect and help Paul. Leto could terse by asking if the Bene Jesserit would help and protect him. That's what she deflects from, and with good reason, because she had no way of promising that considering she wasn't supposed to birth him in the first place. I think she absolutely meant it when she said she cared for Paul and would do everything in her power to help him. It's just that her idea of what would help him involved manipulating him and thise around him into going in the direction she thought was best for him. Someone can be a sincerely loving and manipulative parent at the same time because people are complicated and often misguided.
@@Tyler_W huh, I admit watching 6 hours in a row fried my brain pretty bad, but I thought she said something like "how can you even ask me that" to the first? I'm perfectly willing to admit I'm wrong though.
Except that's not the reason she had a son. She had Paul because she ended up loving Duke Leto, and gave him a son out of love for him. Jessica is not some evil schemer the way she's portrayed in the movie.
This is one of the best breakdowns about this Movie, which I love. Keep up the great work Dan.
5:20 after reading the book, Im thankful we got as much as we did, the book doesnt really speed run it, they kinda skip it, i know its not the point of everything, but the spectacle was awesome
As a super fan of the book I approve of what they left out and sped through, because they spent the time to show they understood what Frank Herbert was saying about messiah figures.
Same. I've read the original novel about five times since I was a child, and have read all the other novels, including the ones published by Herbert's son and editor from his rich source material after his death. College courses have actually been taught upon DUNE.
It is a wonder of creative writing. At first I was a bit mad at what Villeneuve chose to leave out, but I saw how well he captured the overall flow and essence of the novel.
It works for people who adore the novel, and for people who never even knew about the novel, & my hope is that people will want to explore the DUNE universe more by reading the novel! ❤😊
Very insightful review. one of the best I've seen. great job
I wish the trailers didn't spoil the scene of the sand worms coming through the dust cloud in the final battle. That would've been a cool thing to see for the first time during the movie.
Yup! :/
I saw the teaser and avoided all other trailers… so the worms were a wonderful, stunning surprise!!
This is why you never, ever ever watch trailers to movies that you know you're going to see. Even one glimpse of something from the trailer could ruin an amazing moment on the big screen. I'm glad I didn't watch the trailers
I would have minded it less if there was actually more to the final battle than what we saw in the trailers. The worms coming out of the storm is basically a third of the battle and lasts for a few seconds.
The first movie box office suffered from going straight to streaming. I think the studio wanted to go balls to the wall with marketing for this one.
Dan, you have the best spoiler review I've seen so far. Really appreciate your perspective on this movie and in general.
Excellent long form deep dive review with well thought out points. Dan never disappoints 🎉
17:42 In think with Chalamet’s performance and all the build up (i.e. showing his reluctance to go south and talking about losing Chani), it’s pretty clear the water of life changed him into a different person. I appreciate Denis didn’t handheld the audience and just show what was needed to get the point across. It’s also more effective this way because it’s shown through the characters instead of explaining the lore. Lore is for the appendix in a book, and can and should be cut from the movie.
i loved it, the third act is so strong and TC...his holds the screen so well with his face in the last fight he doesn't need words. Real work there, I hope he's remembered.
Dan, I just want to say I subscribed to your channel because of videos like these where you do a fantastic job of taking the layers of films and discussing each part. It just feeds the fire of my love of cinema. I'm not saying every film deserves this but there are films like this, where my friends and I sat in the theater while the credits were rolling to talk about the film. There are movies where you watch it and say, "That was fun" and you go home and then there's ones where you sit and peel the layers. So, I really appreciate this. Thank you, and keep up the great content!
One of the things I love about this director is his respect for who came before. nothing says this more than the scene of the ants crawling on the ear of the baron after he is cast out in the desert. this is an incredible wink to David Lynch, and one of the most subtle things I've seen in a movie in a long time. 2049 also had quite a few of these.
Wow. You just gave me the chills.
I thought the same thing. Shades of Blue Velvet.
Paul's transformation was not rushed. The vast majority of the movie was about his transformation. When he first arrived among the Fremen, he was intending to "fulfill prophecy"...he told Jessica the Bene Gesserit propaganda was taking hold but there were many who would need convincing. He started backing away from that as he got to know them and his focused shifted more to becoming one of them. Eventually he realized there was no other real option (Gurney's alternative wasn't feasible). So he decided to go forward with the "messiah" path. But the Water of Life DOES result in a sudden transformation. Just as what happened with Jessica - because (1) he now has the memories of all reverend mothers of the past and (2) the spice melange gave him clear vision so that he could see only one path forward. He said as much. So, no, the transformation made sense. What I felt was a bit rushed was the speed with which the movie moved toward the final battle and how quickly it was over. That did seem a bit rushed. It was still incredible and masterful, though.
Really well put.
Agreed. I agree with his point that maybe they should have explored what actually happened to Paul a little more. That and the final battle should have lasted a little longer. I also could have used another scene with Feyd and the Baron scheming alongside Princess Irulan and the Padashah Emperor. The problem is that idk what you could have cut instead.
You haven’t even seen anything. Wait until Paul becomes blind, gets exiled from the fremen, Duncan becomes Ghola, and Paul merges with a worm to be immortal
Agreed. I was really hoping for a two towers type of battle scene (45 min long)
@@Triwjhd Whoa! Watch the spoilers! I've read them but many haven't and those are VERY big moments that you've just undermined
I am just glad we got these two films and I got to see them both on the big screen.
Saw it tonight in a sold-out theater. It's an absolute masterpiece, and builds brilliantly on the first one. As a fan of the books, I'm still in awe at how well Denis Villeneuve has managed to adapt the story - it's like he reached straight into my imagination, grabbed what I saw, and threw it out on the screen.
As for the things in part 2, I love the direction he took with Chani as it feels more consistent and more of a build up to the Chani of the latter books in the Dune series. The slow, methodical march towards destruction, and people ending up pawns in the traps of their own making is perfectly in keeping with the book, and continues to demonstrate why Dune is such a compelling story. Plans within plans.
Austin Butler as Feyd-Rautha was masterfully done, showing the cruelty, pride, arrogance, and nepotism that spills out of the book.
The way the awakening of the pre-born Alia during the Water of Life ceremony was done was masterful, and Anya Taylor Joy is the perfect casting to play Alia in future installments, and to explore the horror of being ripped to consciousness prior to birth, and constantly fighting with the stronger personalities welling up from the genetic memory, while being overwhelmed since she had no ability to form her own personality ahead of time. This already moves in how the others through her are impacting Jessica, and I can't wait to see how they explore this area.
Did your autocorrect switch Chani to Cheney? Since you read all the books....
@@honorsilverthorne7227 Oh boy, didn't notice that. I guess Dick Cheney gets around 😁.
As always, you put out the best reviews on RUclips. You're someone who understands the movie and the book and are very articulate to put those thoughts forward. Thank you for this review! 😊
That Stilgar scene about not admitting he is the messiah reminded me of Life of Brian, cracked me up a little
Life of Brian is a more profound and intelligent film.
I find it extremely unbelievable that no reviewer has mentioned this. It was my FIRST thought
He's a very naughty boy.
3:05 that water extraction scene mostly just made me think of Tank Girl. I had to actively stop myself laughing out loud 😅
Thank you. That’s what it remind me of. But I drew a blank.
14:57 Quick correction: The Weapon of Choice music video is actually from 2001, not the late 90’s.
I'm old, cut me some slack.
@@DanMurrellMoviesLol. I’m not complaining or anything. Just pointing something out.
I actually wondered if the sand walk in the film was based on any of Walken's dance moves in that music video.
THANK YOU!!! I haven’t heard another person so eloquently put the differences in adaptations of certain IPs and I can’t thank you enough! YOU GET IT!!!
As a lover of the book I actually enjoyed the movies more. Think of it this way, "Jaws" was a good book but the movie was better. I think Denis understood the book and given the tools he had at his disposal he made great choices. I can't wait for the third film knowing what happens in the next two books.
Yeah the book was written in the 60s and after the first book, shit starts getting WEIRD. I hope Denis nails the last movie and stops because he knows Children and God Emperor the shit goes off the rails. 😅😅
I knew nothing of the books, and I thought Dune 2 was not good, but was great.
Masterpiece. Good is not a good enough term to describe this movie.
It’s an excellent film not doubt, but I really think it misses some of the crazier/abstract psychedelic stuff from their visions and even Guild Navigators going through space. It’s a little too clean and not weird enough imo.
@@dfchang813GOED would be a crazzzzzyyyyy movie
@@dfchang813I could see him try to borrow elements of Children of Dune for Dune Messiah, but if thry continue to make this a franchise, the really weird stuff might be better suited as a miniseries.
Thanks
I didn't think popcorn in general could be ruined for me, but they've done it.
Almost felt like this could’ve been two movies since this one moves faster
Denis Villenueve. Dude DOES. NOT. MISS.
Enemy sucked
@@BL-mf3jp Of course everything’s subjective so your opinion is valid. But it was generally well received with a 71% approval rating on Rotten Tomatoes, based on 122 reviews. Hate to quote Wikipedia back at you, but Enemy earned ten nominations at the 2nd Canadian Screen Awards, winning five, including Best Director for Villeneuve, and Canadian Screen Award for Best Supporting Actress for Gadon. It was named Best Canadian Film of the Year at the Toronto Film Critics Association Awards 2014.
@@BL-mf3jpIt was weird, but I liked it. It is my least favorite of his modern American work (haven't seen his early French-Canadian stuff yet). Some people have the biggest issue with Blade Runner 2049. Great sci-fi movie imo, but I can see why some take issue with it as a Blade Runner sequel. Still very much enjoyed it for what it was. Shame it hasn't really done well, but I'm glad it didn't bar Denis from future ambitious opportunities.
Thank you for the intelligent book versus movie perspective. Many of the other RUclips reviews spend too much time obsessing over what was changed and not truly appreciating the movie.
The moment the movie ended, its like "what next"....you want to keep going. In that, it feels incomplete. But hey, thats why you go get the books
I truly hope people will discover the rich complexity of the vast universe Frank Herbert built in the novels. ❤ They will really have their minds blown then!!
Great review! I agree with your takes! Thanks!
If the 3rd movie is as good, the Dune trilogy would be up there with the LOTR and Star Wars trilogy. A must see in IMAX.
Haha... well we'll see how people receive it... Dune Messiah is a hard left turn for fans who think Paul is the hero...
Though I have no doubt the quality and the story telling will be superb!
@@charlottegerken4477I have a feeling Dune: Messiah will focus less on the weird stuff with the ghola and the Tleilaxu and more on the economic and emotional cost of the holy war, the plotting against him will of course be there but I think it will be more of a great houses last stand against Paul, Alia and the Fremen with the end setting up the children to continue the dynasty.
So glad I came across your channel. Great stuff!!
Anakin Skywalker hated this movie - too much sand
I'll show myself out
You should win an Oscar for best youtube comment
I totally wish we had more detail while watching it. I really had that "ride of the rohirrim" feeling seeing the worms coming in for the first time. However, the ending fight between Baronboi and Paul made me completely forget about it until you mentioned it. One of the best knife fights I've seen in cinema - I was clutching my pearls!
For those who’ve read the later books, Paul is very much the Anakin Skywalker character within DUNE.
Better not tell them about what happens to the "Luke" equivalent...😢
@@PeloquinDavid Jabba the Leto
The black and white sequence is done with IR camera shooting as explained by Director on Colbert show.
Anyone who says the story is promoting the white saviour complex has clearly never read the books nor watched this film with any attention to detail
Exactly. Paul is not a savior. He is a destroyer.
Even he knows it.
@@honorsilverthorne7227that’s the point.
I clocked the visual of the Fremen torching a pile of Harkonnen bodies near the end, an exact reflection of Hark torching Atreides bodies at the beginning of this movie (and/or the end of the last movie?). A direct message to the audience: The Cycle Continues.
3 hours went by in a flash, I was so sad when the end came!
I liked the movie ending better than the book. I'd prefer Paul kill Baron Harkonnen than her sister
Same. My biggest gripe was no Spacing Guild present, but not a huge deal.
I agree! Didn’t think I would! Then I saw it. The way he walked up and plunged the knife in? SO SATISFYING.
Denis Villeneuve explained in an interview that he filmed the sequence of Giedi Prime using infrared cameras to create those “black sun” haunting images.
I can't wait for Dune 3, but they can take all the time that they need. I just hope that it's not a "Return of the Jedi" situation.
Far from it. Read Dune Messiah. Paul is basically hilter
script is all but done, just waiting on the green light. although denis did say he wouldn’t mind waiting 5 or so years before he begins filming
@@kellennyikos6238 Well, considering it takes place 12 years later, waiting for the actors to age a little might be good...
Definitely not. This story is a tragedy if nothing else. The Star Wars prequels definitely take even more inspiration from Dune than the original trilogy did in that respect.
I think Villenueve is taking a break to do a smaller movie first before going full swing into Dune Messiah or Dune part 3 or whatever they're calling it. Personally, I'm kinda sick of being "part 1" etc in movies even if it does work well here. I would have preferred part 1 ajd 2 to have been called Dune, Dune Prophet, and Dune Messiah. It would just seem kinda weird ti call the trilogy Dune part 1, Dune part 2, and Dune Messiah, and it might feel off to call the third Dune part 3.
I feel like the only thing that this adaptation missed is a plotline about whether Jessica is a traitor or not? It was my favourite part of the story and the conversation between Jessica and Thuvir is my favourite part of the book.
I wish the first movie had that plot line and more of the environmental themes, like at the dinner party. That would also have setup more of the politics we see in the second movie.
I think it is possible it was filmed but edited out unfortunately.
To the Atredies? She's certainly a traitor to the empire and at least somewhat to the Bene Gesserit - though it's pretty tough to tell what they count as betrayal, the squirrelly bints.
@@SimonBuchanNzin the book and the first movie there’s a plot line where the baron causing some in fighting between the Atreides. In order the successfully infiltrate they must distract the atreides mentat, because he so good at his job, so they mislead him into thinking Jessica is a traitor
I had a Dune Part 2 ad going into this video, so that's cool
This is probably one of the best spoiler review and analysis of the adaptation and its themes out there right now. A lot of people really don't seem to get the point, and to be fair, a part of that is because Denis doesn't try to bold the viewer's hand, but that's why it's great. We need more intelligsnt movies that expect more from audiences and leave the viewer to think about what they saw for themselves instead of being so quick to dictate at the audience what they should think and feel in the most preachy and superficial manner possible. I also completely agree with your take in regards to adaptation. Sometimes direct adaptations are better. Other times, heck, often times, things get lost in translation from one medium to another, and adjustments need to be made to best serve the medium a story is being adapted to. So long as it shows respect to the source material and shows a level of understanding of it, I'm not bothered by most changes, especially when adaptation doesn't take away from the existence of the original source material. While I agree that LOTR isn't a direct patallel across the board, I think the Dune movies handled its approach to adaptation that LOTR took as well. PJ's LOTR is indeed very different from the books, but it doesn't sacrifice their thematic essence or lose the spirit of the thing, and the same goes for Dune.
An absolute Masterpiece.
There are movies and there are experiences.
For me The Dune Experience is just another level.
Cinematography: Hand him an Oscar.
Sound/Editing: Hand them an Oscar.
Timothy Chalemet: Give me best actor.
Question for book readers. Does Feyd Rautha also get dream visions? Because he said he had seen Margot Fenring in his dreams before, like how Paul did with Chani.
Yes he gets multiple different visions because the future isn't set in stone. He gets many different looks into the possibility of different futures yet choose one that kills 6 billion people
Been a long time since I read the book but I think no he didn't. I do like the change since it's as close to saying 'seeing the future isn't that rare in the setting' as the movie had time for and that's a huge misconception people have about it.
Good point. In the movie, the Reverend Mother Mohiam states Feyd Rautha is also a potential Kwisatz Haderach, so very possible.
@@JeremiahTownsendMargot Fenring’s husband Count Hasmir Fenring is also a potential. But due to a genetic flaw he is a eunuch and can’t pass on his genes properly.
In the books he is at the gladiatoral game with Margot and is well aware of her plans for Feyd.
Game of thrones, Star Wars and the Bible had a baby. So amazing
YES. Pure gold. 😂😂😂
Two of those actually were inspired by Dune, so you know. Life is a circle.
@@rafaelyamano2661 I know
Agree with everything here.
Quick question: does anyone remember what video it was where Dan explained the different types of imax? I wish that was its own video!
Urm..not specifically, but it was only a couple of weeks ago or so. It was a question from the mint mobile line, - so if in doubt, just go back a few vids and skip to those parts and you'll find it
Check Charts with Dan from February 6th. “Argyle Flops” is the title. The 20:10 mark.
One blooper I noticed. When Paul is running to jump on the sandworm, he’s not wearing his goggles and then they magically appear on his face when he catches it after he jumps on it.
There's a whole part of him covered in dust and sand where he can put it on though.
Great review, very insightful! Thanks, Dan 👍🏽
My general thoughts - 1. this was way better than the first 2. I can't wait for the third, I wanted it to keep going. 3. i think Walken was miscast. 4. Stars Wars really took a lot from Dune, and looks like a way watered down version. I don't think I can go back to SW again
i just saw it on IMAX and i will never forget it. ive loved the book since i was 15. reread it countless times now. i didnt think it would ever be properly adapted to (two) film. breathtaking gorgeous cinema!
I’ve seen it twice now. And while I liked it, I found the first one to be more interesting and nuanced, with better writing to boot. Unfortunately part 2 didn’t live up to the hype for me. It was a beautiful looking if more conventional action Sci-Fi flic compared to part 1 IMO.
I think part 1 was a more faithful adaptation of the book but for part 2 Denis had to deviate much much more to get to the end.
Oddly enough, I feel the same way about the book lol. The last 100 pages of the book had so much lore and plot crammed into it. Paul went from drinking the Water of Life and becoming the Kwisatz, had a conversation with his mother and Chani, and the narrative went straight to final act.
Great review Dan. I had the same thoughts regarding the adaptation, especially the short shrift that Paul got after taking the water of life. So much of that part of the story and the second book is about navigating between WORSE possible futures, and as bad as the path he chooses is, how he’s trapped as “the lesser evil”. The shot on his hands, illustrating that narrow path was good, but I think the meaning may have been lost on a lot of viewers. They had repeated horrific imagery of the horrible results of the path he does take, but not how bad it could be say…if he did lose the knife fight. And while I agree cutting Leto II and saving Alia for the next movie makes sense, I think this film really needed some appearance from the Spacing Guild…which is the power that even the emperor answers to. Thats something that the Lynch version totally nailed. Anyways, as a lifelong Dube fan who used to be in a Dune themed hardcore band, I really appreciate the thoughtful review and taking the time to discuss the politics and spirit of Herbert’s book. ♥️
Dune becomes unreadable after book 3. 😅
**whispers** kinda true actually 😂
Just got back from seeing it, fantastic! Great analysis too.
Perfect review, you clearly know the themes of the books and it shows, well done!
As someone who has read all 6 books numerous times the whole saga of the Atreides dynasty becomes a cautionary tale of power and manipulation, that by the end you begin to question was any of it really worth the cost.
Hey Dan. I would love more of your thoughts on adaptations and films. That was very fascinating.
16:14 about the way it was adapted I think there’s a really great quote from a Villeneuve interview where he was talking about cutting things & he said something like “it was a painful choice but I wanted this to be a Bene Gesserit movie.” After watching I think I get it. The Bene Gesserit show that power is always 1 step ahead, Paul tries desperately to avoid going south until Zendaya tells him that our paths were chosen for us. Paul was groomed for this role his entire life & even as powerful as he is by the end, his new bride is a Bene Gesserit, the only influential voice left in his life r his mom & new wife which will both manipulate him on some level.
I have read all six of the Frank Herbert Dune books several times which I love very much and I think that the only thing that was left out was some of the inner monologue of Paul and Lady Jessica when they drank the water of life. Outside of that I think that Denis made the story better because Frank didn't kill his darlings around Leto II and maybe the times where women were meant to stay behind. I loved the changes in this version.
The city where i stay in India, the hooting, cheering and screaming happens during big moments in a movie. But Dune 2 was the first movie where the entire packed hall sat in rapt attention and clapped at the very end. Its a proper sign of respect towards a movie
hope we get a longer version
It left me speechless today, after credits rolled. Few movies accomplish that.
One of the BEST Sci-Fi movies I've ever seen!
Saw this in IMAX, one the greatest cinematic experiences of my life. Loved every frame
A piece of me still wanted that kick ass electric guitar from Dune 84 to kick in when Paul rode the sandworm.
It’s interesting you mentioned Austin Butler’s choice of voice in the movie, how to a certain degree he mimicked Stellan Skarsgard’s voice. Well in the bonus features on the Dune Part Two Blu-ray, they specifically discuss that choice in the special feature, Becoming Feyd. Worth checking out.
This is the best review I've watched for Dune Part 2. Thank you, Dan.
I must say Dan you explained the novels the best out of every RUclipsr. Thanks for this video.