Almost. Name changed after KKR bought the tool division. Didn’t want to license the Hitachi name. When they announced the name change (Hikoki everywhere but Metabo HPT in America) I was befuddled and annoyed and I still haven’t let it go. Hitachi Koki being a brand found in Lowe’s and Metabo being a brand found in a Grainger catalog…well….no surprise that people who had previously never heard of the brand are still buying the wrong tools for their batteries and vice versa. I don’t know what the top brass was thinking. Drugs maybe?
Doubling down, CAS was pre-HPT era. I would never sign up for CAS if I was in a tool manufacturer’s shoes. You mean to tell me that when I tell my customers to go buy a Metabo battery that I also have to explain all of this long winded nonsense so that they don’t end up returning my product because it doesn’t work with the artist formerly known as Hitachi batteries they mistakingly bought? Oh hell no. Maybe it definitely was drugs. What do the real tool stores think of this? Oh wait, I know the answer. I was the one that broke the news to the ones I shop at. What’s the character limit of a RUclips post? If I paraphrase the string of expletives I might not be able to fit all of it.
@@robertrada4783 I do agree with the assessment about Metabo HPT. However, I see HPT as kind of a spinoff from the original Metabo Germany. They should have stuck with that or gone with just HPT. As said in the video metabo Germany has a proper focus on Metall that cannot be underestimated. HPT on the other side seems to me to be a bit worse than Milwaukee for example. hm
@@stalkinghawk9244 The reason for Hikoki being called Metabo HPT in North America isn´t a secret, it just isn't talked about. It simply because NA market is very brand driven, if you have the wrong name you'll never succeed. No matter how good your tools are. Atlas Copco crash, burned and totally failed to do it back in the early 90's so they bought Milwaukee and began rebranding Atlas Copco into Milwaukee in NA and, you know it worked. Same reason why AEG turns into Ridgid, Hikoki becomes Metabo HTP, ELU turned into DeWalt and so on. So it isn´t a spinoff or anything , just needing a name that didn´t sound "Cheap in Chinese". Other examples are Bosch Bulldog and Fein Slugger are both names that are there to attract customers in the NA market.
Well, this is more about battery differences. But how about the quality of the tools? I'd say the German Metabo is within top 5 in the world. Their tools feature some unique innovations. No other grinder in the world has an autobalancer, no other cordless drill has an impulse mode and a third speed of 4000 rpm or a reduction gear chuck that can triple the drill's torque.
Absolute truth! I am one of the user of various tools from Metabo and not only.. I have used Hilti and Bosch... or Dewalt. Metabo (Germany) sits confortable in top 5. They are part of the program called CAS in which Metabo batteries can be used across different platform.. different manufactures. Check only CAS battery cross platform and see how confortable is for you.. Is worth it, considering the cost of batteries. Cordless Alliance Systems is the way to go for long lasting and cross platform use of batteries!
Great explaination! I recently brought the hikoki framing nailer as placemakers had had a sick deal where you got the 36v impact for free, and the naming has been pretty confusing compared to makita 😅 Looking forward to the hikoki track saw video - Cheers from Dunedin
Great video, best I've seen explaining this steaming pile of ...confusion. so... my 18v Hikoki battery from my first fix nailer NR1890 will fit new Metabo HPT tools and old Hitachi tools, but not the newer Hikoki Flex tools ?😂
So to clarify the mud, that lamp MetaboHPT- can take three types of battery, its own MHPT battery and both types of Hikoki (18v and the new flex?) Crazy
I am looking for an adapter for Metabo CAS to use on my Metabo HPT only idiots in suits in board meetings could be this dumb almost ruining both trade names with this blunder. If anyone has an adapter link I'd appreciate it linked here.
CAS is a great idea, but it should've been built around a MultiVolt system exceeding 36v (like 54v.) Instead, Metabo Germany is pushing ahead with mount redesigns of Hikoki products while clinging to the CAS 18v system. The 9" Angle Grinder went from one big 36v battery to two 18v batteries in order to stay more in line with CAS partners, but now all the CAS tools are limited to that lower voltage in a single battery. HPT/Hikoki had the right idea with single mount with different pins for 18v/36v, and Dewalt is really running with that idea in the FlexVolt lineup. Dewalt finally understood that if you design around way more power than most tools will ever need, it's easier to make smaller battery packs to fit those mounts vs design entire systems around smaller voltage batteries. I mean comeon, Dewalt has built a battery mount that will fit a tiny little impact or a huge jackhammer and carries nearly as much voltage as the 72v MX Fuel. It'll be interesting to see how long Metabo Germany stays as part of the larger group and if the future of CAS has any potential for higher voltage products.
Thanks for the vid. I really don't understand why they have made such a mess also here in the UK Hikoki is really behind on releases and generally not great service from what Ive heard. I wonder if it would make it worse for them to switch the Metabo HPT back to HIKOKI not sure they have considered that. Also personally not a huge fan of them taking tools from each other... not a huge deal but I would prefer to see their own development. I spoke to a HIKOKI rep in 2019 and they told me they had a track saw/ rail saw on the way now 4 years later im quite disappointed for it to just be a copy of the metabo. I expected their own version tbh but ig not. Im a Hikoki fan but at the same time not so much...
Not sure what you and some of the others in the comments have against the CAS battery platform. I have had cordless tools of most breeds since they first started coming out. Having been a carpenter for the last 42 years. Starting with the up the handle jobs. Crap batteries but easy to use. Up the handle with a bigger base. Getting harder. Then the slip-ons' started. Now on a lot I have a problem. I have small hands, with short thumbs. Initially they were smaller batteries. Awkward but possible. Then the batteries grew. On many I can't reach with one hand to release the battery. Have to pin it with my foot. Or hold it in my knees to use both hands to release the bloody battery. But I have a lot of Metabo tools with one easy simple button on the back. Doesn't matter how big the battery. Dead easy to take off. well thought out, brilliant system. Not so popular this side of the world as we don't have all the other brands that they fit. But unless you have hands like a shovel. Much better idea. The worst has to be Bosch. Their batteries, despite being one awkward sliding switch thing. I can spend ages fighting with them. They seem never to open the locks enough to release the battery. Stupid design. CAS system every time for me.
Another great video. I could not agree with you more on the battery release being on the tool versus the battery itself. It is an awful experience and is the only feature I despise on my Mafell KSS.
When is first heard they gonna make batteries that fit all tools , i was thinking it would apply for all brands . Sadly it was just in Germany and there are competing platforms Metabo CAS , Bosch pro AMPShare and Bosch DYI Power For all system . Did not make the system that much simpler .
Thanks for clearing the names brands for our american Friends...👍👌. Btw i discover that hikoki had a plunge Saw ( not avaiable in France 🇨🇵), so it 's a good surprise ! Also if metabo had the Case battery platform, Bosch IS making the same with AMPshare
The only thing I will ever use from Bosch is their corded SDS drill when needed a delicate but firm control of drilling precision holes in concrete wall. Nothing beats their soft start dril and how light the drill is to use with one hand! Hilti it is a beast in comparison. Smash and crash everything; no good for delicate works..
@@MrFryfish , i used to work with the 12 v version of Hilti combo drill and btw it was light and efficient ,🙂👍but sometimes to small for the job. Now i got a combo Milwaukee and i's hard to beat even it's not the fuel version ...
@@dariusfrench5 i do not know if you have tried to attach /..stick 1mm aluminium strip of an LED (strip, the base of it, 1mm thickmess X 10mm wide) 1.5m long to a concrete wall, lift core, in car park..without bulge or twist the base, using 5.5mm wall plugs and contersunk screws that will HAVE TO stop sunked in 1mm thickness to allow cables and other bits and bobs of the LED STRIP to come on top..!! It was a job no one wanna do. Without Bosch SDS I would gave up!
Its not that of a mess in most of Europe where we have metabo and hikoki but not metabo HPT but for markets like US or down 👇 ita a unnecessary pain in the a**. Oh, and CAS is horrible.
From my understanding they were worried the North American market wouldn’t take kindly to a Japanese sounding name like Hikoki and would respond better to a more European name like Metabo. Questionable is the nicest way to put it.
@@mathiassmith5667 Very much lol its funny though as they started as hikoki for a bit. Chris at Foureyes Furniture received Hikoki when they first changed the name from hitachi. Same with modustrial maker both in NA so its odd that soon after they changed to metabo hpt
@@mathiassmith5667 Apparently, it was Lowe's who was unhappy with the name change and influenced the decision. Lowe's is their only nationwide distributer in the US, and they used to carry German Metabo, or still do online. They should just change it back to Hikoki. It's never too late to admit a mistake. Lowe's has totally sidelined both brands anyway, and no one shops there
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Thanks! I can hardly wait for your video about the new Hikoki track-saw.
Almost. Name changed after KKR bought the tool division. Didn’t want to license the Hitachi name. When they announced the name change (Hikoki everywhere but Metabo HPT in America) I was befuddled and annoyed and I still haven’t let it go. Hitachi Koki being a brand found in Lowe’s and Metabo being a brand found in a Grainger catalog…well….no surprise that people who had previously never heard of the brand are still buying the wrong tools for their batteries and vice versa. I don’t know what the top brass was thinking. Drugs maybe?
Doubling down, CAS was pre-HPT era. I would never sign up for CAS if I was in a tool manufacturer’s shoes. You mean to tell me that when I tell my customers to go buy a Metabo battery that I also have to explain all of this long winded nonsense so that they don’t end up returning my product because it doesn’t work with the artist formerly known as Hitachi batteries they mistakingly bought? Oh hell no. Maybe it definitely was drugs. What do the real tool stores think of this? Oh wait, I know the answer. I was the one that broke the news to the ones I shop at. What’s the character limit of a RUclips post? If I paraphrase the string of expletives I might not be able to fit all of it.
mmm... drugs.
@@robertrada4783 I do agree with the assessment about Metabo HPT. However, I see HPT as kind of a spinoff from the original Metabo Germany. They should have stuck with that or gone with just HPT. As said in the video metabo Germany has a proper focus on Metall that cannot be underestimated. HPT on the other side seems to me to be a bit worse than Milwaukee for example. hm
@@stalkinghawk9244 The reason for Hikoki being called Metabo HPT in North America isn´t a secret, it just isn't talked about.
It simply because NA market is very brand driven, if you have the wrong name you'll never succeed. No matter how good your tools are.
Atlas Copco crash, burned and totally failed to do it back in the early 90's so they bought Milwaukee and began rebranding Atlas Copco into Milwaukee in NA and, you know it worked. Same reason why AEG turns into Ridgid, Hikoki becomes Metabo HTP, ELU turned into DeWalt and so on.
So it isn´t a spinoff or anything , just needing a name that didn´t sound "Cheap in Chinese". Other examples are Bosch Bulldog and Fein Slugger are both names that are there to attract customers in the NA market.
Well, this is more about battery differences. But how about the quality of the tools? I'd say the German Metabo is within top 5 in the world. Their tools feature some unique innovations. No other grinder in the world has an autobalancer, no other cordless drill has an impulse mode and a third speed of 4000 rpm or a reduction gear chuck that can triple the drill's torque.
Absolute truth! I am one of the user of various tools from Metabo and not only.. I have used Hilti and Bosch... or Dewalt. Metabo (Germany) sits confortable in top 5.
They are part of the program called CAS in which Metabo batteries can be used across different platform.. different manufactures. Check only CAS battery cross platform and see how confortable is for you.. Is worth it, considering the cost of batteries.
Cordless Alliance Systems is the way to go for long lasting and cross platform use of batteries!
Great explaination!
I recently brought the hikoki framing nailer as placemakers had had a sick deal where you got the 36v impact for free, and the naming has been pretty confusing compared to makita 😅
Looking forward to the hikoki track saw video - Cheers from Dunedin
You bought the NR1890 NR1890 hikoki?
Is there a large difference in quality between the hpt and the regular Metabo ?
Great video, best I've seen explaining this steaming pile of
...confusion. so... my 18v Hikoki battery from my first fix nailer NR1890 will fit new Metabo HPT tools and old Hitachi tools, but not the newer Hikoki Flex tools ?😂
So to clarify the mud, that lamp MetaboHPT- can take three types of battery, its own MHPT battery and both types of Hikoki (18v and the new flex?) Crazy
Great video. Wondered if you know if the Hikoki track saw works with standard rails? (Festool, makita, et Al) Thanks
I am looking for an adapter for Metabo CAS to use on my Metabo HPT only idiots in suits in board meetings could be this dumb almost ruining both trade names with this blunder. If anyone has an adapter link I'd appreciate it linked here.
Any plans for a track saw comparison? Interested in the 36v vs Makita 40v
I love my metabo htp products , awesome tools and at job sites they do not get mixed with other trades men tools
CAS is a great idea, but it should've been built around a MultiVolt system exceeding 36v (like 54v.) Instead, Metabo Germany is pushing ahead with mount redesigns of Hikoki products while clinging to the CAS 18v system. The 9" Angle Grinder went from one big 36v battery to two 18v batteries in order to stay more in line with CAS partners, but now all the CAS tools are limited to that lower voltage in a single battery. HPT/Hikoki had the right idea with single mount with different pins for 18v/36v, and Dewalt is really running with that idea in the FlexVolt lineup. Dewalt finally understood that if you design around way more power than most tools will ever need, it's easier to make smaller battery packs to fit those mounts vs design entire systems around smaller voltage batteries. I mean comeon, Dewalt has built a battery mount that will fit a tiny little impact or a huge jackhammer and carries nearly as much voltage as the 72v MX Fuel. It'll be interesting to see how long Metabo Germany stays as part of the larger group and if the future of CAS has any potential for higher voltage products.
Thanks for the vid. I really don't understand why they have made such a mess also here in the UK Hikoki is really behind on releases and generally not great service from what Ive heard. I wonder if it would make it worse for them to switch the Metabo HPT back to HIKOKI not sure they have considered that. Also personally not a huge fan of them taking tools from each other... not a huge deal but I would prefer to see their own development. I spoke to a HIKOKI rep in 2019 and they told me they had a track saw/ rail saw on the way now 4 years later im quite disappointed for it to just be a copy of the metabo. I expected their own version tbh but ig not. Im a Hikoki fan but at the same time not so much...
Not sure what you and some of the others in the comments have against the CAS battery platform. I have had cordless tools of most breeds since they first started coming out. Having been a carpenter for the last 42 years. Starting with the up the handle jobs. Crap batteries but easy to use. Up the handle with a bigger base. Getting harder. Then the slip-ons' started. Now on a lot I have a problem. I have small hands, with short thumbs. Initially they were smaller batteries. Awkward but possible. Then the batteries grew. On many I can't reach with one hand to release the battery. Have to pin it with my foot. Or hold it in my knees to use both hands to release the bloody battery. But I have a lot of Metabo tools with one easy simple button on the back. Doesn't matter how big the battery. Dead easy to take off. well thought out, brilliant system. Not so popular this side of the world as we don't have all the other brands that they fit. But unless you have hands like a shovel. Much better idea. The worst has to be Bosch. Their batteries, despite being one awkward sliding switch thing. I can spend ages fighting with them. They seem never to open the locks enough to release the battery. Stupid design. CAS system every time for me.
I am in complete agreement with you! Well said, explained!
Another great video. I could not agree with you more on the battery release being on the tool versus the battery itself. It is an awful experience and is the only feature I despise on my Mafell KSS.
When is first heard they gonna make batteries that fit all tools , i was thinking it would apply for all brands .
Sadly it was just in Germany and there are competing platforms Metabo CAS , Bosch pro AMPShare and Bosch DYI Power For all system .
Did not make the system that much simpler .
Thanks! Excellent content as usual.
Cheers!
Can the 36v mains converter back work on 18v tools?
No.
Why, oh why!?
I really wanted Hikoki 36v to be able to run 18v Hikoki
Even at lower power...
Great video, Metaboooooh yeah boy 👏👍
Any day for all sorts of works. And try to buy from Germany!
Not a German fanboy but what is theirs is THEIRS.
Hey tools. Since we are on topic of batteries.. Makita has a new battery out.. 40v4ah 4040F. How soon can we get our hands on that.. 😊
I'm still waiting for more info here on that one...
@@BuildsStuff waiting for the indepth review.. lol
It doesn't make sense..
Why would you need 40V battery??
It is marketing gimmick..
People stop being like a sheeps..
@MrFryfish ummm😒🙄🙄,, because makita 40v is a different platform, 18v doesn't work or vice versa..
@@TRDjzx90 aha, so because ..makita START using 40V we all have to jump ship!?
🤯🤯🤯
Thanks for clearing the names brands for our american Friends...👍👌. Btw i discover that hikoki had a plunge Saw ( not avaiable in France 🇨🇵), so it 's a good surprise ! Also if metabo had the Case battery platform, Bosch IS making the same with AMPshare
The only thing I will ever use from Bosch is their corded SDS drill when needed a delicate but firm control of drilling precision holes in concrete wall. Nothing beats their soft start dril and how light the drill is to use with one hand!
Hilti it is a beast in comparison. Smash and crash everything; no good for delicate works..
@@MrFryfish , i used to work with the 12 v version of Hilti combo drill and btw it was light and efficient ,🙂👍but sometimes to small for the job. Now i got a combo Milwaukee and i's hard to beat even it's not the fuel version ...
@@dariusfrench5 i do not know if you have tried to attach /..stick 1mm aluminium strip of an LED (strip, the base of it, 1mm thickmess X 10mm wide) 1.5m long to a concrete wall, lift core, in car park..without bulge or twist the base, using 5.5mm wall plugs and contersunk screws that will HAVE TO stop sunked in 1mm thickness to allow cables and other bits and bobs of the LED STRIP to come on top..!!
It was a job no one wanna do.
Without Bosch SDS I would gave up!
@@MrFryfish ,So at the end of the work you Can tell anybody : i make it !!,💪😀😉
Its not that of a mess in most of Europe where we have metabo and hikoki but not metabo HPT but for markets like US or down 👇 ita a unnecessary pain in the a**. Oh, and CAS is horrible.
We don't have Metabo HPT here either.
@@BuildsStuffah, thanks for clearing that up. I understood something wrong there it seems.
From my understanding they were worried the North American market wouldn’t take kindly to a Japanese sounding name like Hikoki and would respond better to a more European name like Metabo. Questionable is the nicest way to put it.
@@mathiassmith5667 Very much lol its funny though as they started as hikoki for a bit. Chris at Foureyes Furniture received Hikoki when they first changed the name from hitachi. Same with modustrial maker both in NA so its odd that soon after they changed to metabo hpt
@@mathiassmith5667 Apparently, it was Lowe's who was unhappy with the name change and influenced the decision. Lowe's is their only nationwide distributer in the US, and they used to carry German Metabo, or still do online.
They should just change it back to Hikoki. It's never too late to admit a mistake. Lowe's has totally sidelined both brands anyway, and no one shops there
european metabo taps are suitable for mafell tools
👍
Hi cocki now that's a tool brand I still prefer dikeata tools