I have head a couple commentators describe this as a box camera, but it’s really a full-crew cine camera in the style of a Venice or ARRI. Fuji are showing us the AC and/or focus puller side of the camera which seems to suggest they are aiming past the Burano. The question is whether they can run the sensor fast enough to compete. And whether they can cook up more DR than what comes out of the 100ii. For now it’s sort of an interesting conversation piece but I don’t quite see where it fits in the cine market.
@@Chandler_Goodrich the sensor is slow. Putting more processing outside the sensor is not going to speed it up. Take a look at the recent Nikon Z50ii. It has the same old 20MP sensor, but got their highest end processor, which makes it doesn't 10 bit video and 4k 60p but the readout speed is still the same and the 4k 60p is heavily cropped.
I'm not shy to showing my ignorance here, but maybe you can help clarify a few things for me so that I can join in with the excitement; 1) The biggest complaint I constantly hear from Fujifilm video shooters, is that the footage is just too sharp. So i can only imagine that this camera with its 100mp will be razor sharp? 2) Whilst the sensor covers a lot of formats, it will surely have a poor readout speed? The rolling shutter here will be awful, thereby nuking massively its versatility? Wouldn't a simple stacked sensor camera or something else with a very good readout speed and the use of speed boosters just be a better path? 3) AF. Whilst I understand that AF is something more for the running and gunning fellas, cameras like this will be using manual focus cinelenses for most of the time, and possibly additional support by tools like the dji lidar system, right? But still... their AF is such a mess and I have serious doubts it will be fixed on any of their existing mounts and especially when using current gen processors. This camera is likely going to be very expensive, so when considering the aforementioned points, surely a better alternative already exists elsewhere? Feels like Fuji are trying to run before they have learned to walk, but maybe I am being harsh..
1. I think Fuji's X-Trans sensors in their aps-c cameras have that effect but the GFX cameras use a typical Bayer pattern sensor. But yeah, you'd think it's going to be pretty sharp with all those pixels. 2. I'd imagine it's going to have the same readout as the GFXII, and the HQ modes with the most resolution and the least crop do indeed have a pretty slow readout on that camera. Like I mentioned in the video, I think (purely speculation on my part) is that Fuji went this route to offer something unique in the market. Like how could they stand out in a crowded and small market with already established players with an aps-c sensor? 3. Probably. This camera definitely isn't for me, I just thought it was a clear statement of intent on Fuji's part and therefore has ramifications for their future development
Readout is only really bad above 4k. In 4k it’s a respectable 15ms. Not fast, but not slow. Much better than some FF and S35 competitors (blackmagic 😅). Also! If fuji does some magic with multi-format recording, the readout should be sub-15ms in in VV, 35mm and s35mm recording modes, which hopefully they include!
If Fuji can price it under $15k, then it'd be more competitive against Ursa 12K, Burano, V-Raptor 8K. I hope this is Fuji's first experimental attempt in the cinema line and the box style XH2s will come strong.
Including the digital film stock simulations they have in the hybrid cameras would be a big thing that differentiates it, but also if they can get the processor more optimized for video while not overpricing this camera (like $11k) its a good budget option to shoot imax digital format
If they can nail the auto focus and offer some unique optic, it will be very fun to see reviews on this (cause I’m not buying it :P). It’s probably dumb, but Fuji makes some insane lenses for broadcasting and I’m just imagining them squeezing down some of that tech into their cinema lenses.
Can you speak to the autofocus updates you mentioned at the end? I've not seen anyone talking about a new FW version for XH2S and it is sorely needed. Do you know any kind of timeline?
X-H2S, X-H2, and GFX100II are supposed to get firmware update to improve AF for video, timecode, and F-Log2 C. I made a video about it a few weeks ago. Supposed to be released sometime this month but no definite date. I'm guessing it may coincide with shipping date of the X-M5
Caveat being this isn't a cinematic sensor designed from the ground up like Canon produce. The engineering required to make this competitive at full sensor is huge. Will this not instead, be a case whereby, Open-Gate Crop factors and formats are vast, deploying different parts of the sensor down to Super 16. Much like the R5-C that would make it quite useful for broadcast rather than 4k film production, as surely the sensor won't be as effective at 1.5x as a native sensor. You also have the over-sharpening issues that are present in Photo sensors.
Canon used to make sensors tailored to video, but with the C80 and C400, it looks like they're just using the R3 sensor. I agree that the GFX II sensor isn't ideal, but I think Fuji is thinking it's the most cost effective way to get into this segment and to differentiate itself from the competition. They don't develop the GFX sensors, they just buy them from Sony so they're limited as to what's available.
$12,999 body cost (educated speculation) but praying for a more accessible cost for filmmakers especially in this climate. the image quality is going to be incredible - I thin the processor speculation is wrong, it's going to have to have a beefcake 9000 processor in there if they are trying to deliver on native capture on a sensor like that.
Getting more focused on Video in 2024/25 is really important. But it's kinda questionable to put the GFX100II sesnor in there. It may be fast enough (wildlife photos are possible but not really great as I heard) but the files must be really huge. I don't know this but is the GFX system completley seperated from their apsc line? So do they use the same software? They should be able to learn a lot from it but I am not sure if the apsc market will have a benefit.
I find this camera...baffling. Is it needed? Do you NEED 100+MP? Why not a better 35mm full-frame with better frame rates and less rolling shutter...? Seems to me, they are over-reaching.
Yes, but why using 100mp sensor? Whats the point? I mean, there are better cinematic video cameras than gfx out there... Why using the same gfx sensor? Its cheaper... imagine a medium format with less megapixels.... We'll see how performs and what they do to make It cinematic look... But knowing Fuji.. I dont trust in their products anymore. Would prefer spend what the camera is gonna cost in an fx3ii + lens... And I could even buy with the rest one of those little pikachus for the coldshoe 😅
@@jcar4522 What other sensor is available for them to use? The 50mp sensor in the older GFX cameras is the only other option as far as I'm aware. Fuji doesn't develop or manufacture these sensors, Sony does.
@PhillipRPeck I know the sensors are made by Sony. The point is, if you dont have the right sensor for a cine camera, just dont make It! 100mp for video.... I dont know... Anyway, we will see how that "cinema" camera performs, quality image and that kind of things. And anyway, I wouldnt have bought gfx100 for video. Better options out there. After all, its a Fuji 😱
I agree it's not an ideal sensor but I don't know what Fuji could've done to differentiate itself from the competition with an aps-c cinema camera. With the digital medium format, they have something that no one else has
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I have head a couple commentators describe this as a box camera, but it’s really a full-crew cine camera in the style of a Venice or ARRI. Fuji are showing us the AC and/or focus puller side of the camera which seems to suggest they are aiming past the Burano. The question is whether they can run the sensor fast enough to compete. And whether they can cook up more DR than what comes out of the 100ii. For now it’s sort of an interesting conversation piece but I don’t quite see where it fits in the cine market.
If they could get 2 processors in there, that might speed up the shutter enough to compete.
@@Chandler_Goodrich the sensor is slow. Putting more processing outside the sensor is not going to speed it up. Take a look at the recent Nikon Z50ii. It has the same old 20MP sensor, but got their highest end processor, which makes it doesn't 10 bit video and 4k 60p but the readout speed is still the same and the 4k 60p is heavily cropped.
I'm not shy to showing my ignorance here, but maybe you can help clarify a few things for me so that I can join in with the excitement;
1) The biggest complaint I constantly hear from Fujifilm video shooters, is that the footage is just too sharp. So i can only imagine that this camera with its 100mp will be razor sharp?
2) Whilst the sensor covers a lot of formats, it will surely have a poor readout speed? The rolling shutter here will be awful, thereby nuking massively its versatility? Wouldn't a simple stacked sensor camera or something else with a very good readout speed and the use of speed boosters just be a better path?
3) AF. Whilst I understand that AF is something more for the running and gunning fellas, cameras like this will be using manual focus cinelenses for most of the time, and possibly additional support by tools like the dji lidar system, right? But still... their AF is such a mess and I have serious doubts it will be fixed on any of their existing mounts and especially when using current gen processors. This camera is likely going to be very expensive, so when considering the aforementioned points, surely a better alternative already exists elsewhere?
Feels like Fuji are trying to run before they have learned to walk, but maybe I am being harsh..
1. I think Fuji's X-Trans sensors in their aps-c cameras have that effect but the GFX cameras use a typical Bayer pattern sensor. But yeah, you'd think it's going to be pretty sharp with all those pixels.
2. I'd imagine it's going to have the same readout as the GFXII, and the HQ modes with the most resolution and the least crop do indeed have a pretty slow readout on that camera. Like I mentioned in the video, I think (purely speculation on my part) is that Fuji went this route to offer something unique in the market. Like how could they stand out in a crowded and small market with already established players with an aps-c sensor?
3. Probably. This camera definitely isn't for me, I just thought it was a clear statement of intent on Fuji's part and therefore has ramifications for their future development
Readout is only really bad above 4k. In 4k it’s a respectable 15ms. Not fast, but not slow. Much better than some FF and S35 competitors (blackmagic 😅). Also! If fuji does some magic with multi-format recording, the readout should be sub-15ms in in VV, 35mm and s35mm recording modes, which hopefully they include!
Jeez I never thought I'd see a medium format cinema camera
If Fuji can price it under $15k, then it'd be more competitive against Ursa 12K, Burano, V-Raptor 8K.
I hope this is Fuji's first experimental attempt in the cinema line and the box style XH2s will come strong.
Also more competitive against the 65mm Ursa 17k, which is $30,000
I foresee rolling shutter
Yes. Much
Love the name. I hope they do indeed improve AF for all current cameras.
Yeah, I do too. I was going to mention that in the video, but I didn't really have anything to add
I just use manual focus anyways but auto would be nice. Just don't trust AF
Including the digital film stock simulations they have in the hybrid cameras would be a big thing that differentiates it, but also if they can get the processor more optimized for video while not overpricing this camera (like $11k) its a good budget option to shoot imax digital format
They can take my money now
Absolutely!! If it's anything like or better than 100S I'm all in!
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If they can nail the auto focus and offer some unique optic, it will be very fun to see reviews on this (cause I’m not buying it :P). It’s probably dumb, but Fuji makes some insane lenses for broadcasting and I’m just imagining them squeezing down some of that tech into their cinema lenses.
Can you speak to the autofocus updates you mentioned at the end? I've not seen anyone talking about a new FW version for XH2S and it is sorely needed.
Do you know any kind of timeline?
X-H2S, X-H2, and GFX100II are supposed to get firmware update to improve AF for video, timecode, and F-Log2 C. I made a video about it a few weeks ago. Supposed to be released sometime this month but no definite date. I'm guessing it may coincide with shipping date of the X-M5
Caveat being this isn't a cinematic sensor designed from the ground up like Canon produce.
The engineering required to make this competitive at full sensor is huge.
Will this not instead, be a case whereby, Open-Gate Crop factors and formats are vast, deploying different parts of the sensor down to Super 16.
Much like the R5-C that would make it quite useful for broadcast rather than 4k film production,
as surely the sensor won't be as effective at 1.5x as a native sensor.
You also have the over-sharpening issues that are present in Photo sensors.
Canon used to make sensors tailored to video, but with the C80 and C400, it looks like they're just using the R3 sensor. I agree that the GFX II sensor isn't ideal, but I think Fuji is thinking it's the most cost effective way to get into this segment and to differentiate itself from the competition. They don't develop the GFX sensors, they just buy them from Sony so they're limited as to what's available.
I would actually like to see it happen
$12,999 body cost (educated speculation) but praying for a more accessible cost for filmmakers especially in this climate. the image quality is going to be incredible - I thin the processor speculation is wrong, it's going to have to have a beefcake 9000 processor in there if they are trying to deliver on native capture on a sensor like that.
The information on the processor comes directly from the press release. Not speculation. But we should know more about its capabilities soon I think
$14999 would be my guess. Twice the price of the photo body. Same price as Ursa 12K.
IQ is going to be worse than APSC in the line skipped 4k modes and slightly worse than FF in the 8k mode but with horrible rolling shutter.
Getting more focused on Video in 2024/25 is really important. But it's kinda questionable to put the GFX100II sesnor in there. It may be fast enough (wildlife photos are possible but not really great as I heard) but the files must be really huge.
I don't know this but is the GFX system completley seperated from their apsc line? So do they use the same software? They should be able to learn a lot from it but I am not sure if the apsc market will have a benefit.
X system or Crop cameras aren't really profitable and that's why only Fujifilm is focusing on it.
@lol-di3tf I don't know anything about the film market, but on the photo market Fuji does makes more profit every year.
Nice clickbait thumbnail bro! lol!
Fuji, shut up and take my money!!!
Imagine if it was a low MP count MF sensor... Fuji is out of touch with what filmmakers have been asking for.
AGREE
@ ~5 to 20 MP, MF size sensor. What a day it would be.
At this point, I wonder how much money they could've put into AF development for years, instead of R&D to release yet another camera...
I find this camera...baffling. Is it needed? Do you NEED 100+MP? Why not a better 35mm full-frame with better frame rates and less rolling shutter...? Seems to me, they are over-reaching.
Agree
Fuji doesn't have a full frame line. They don't make full frame lenses. The choice for them was either aps-c or medium format
Yes, but why using 100mp sensor? Whats the point? I mean, there are better cinematic video cameras than gfx out there... Why using the same gfx sensor? Its cheaper... imagine a medium format with less megapixels.... We'll see how performs and what they do to make It cinematic look... But knowing Fuji.. I dont trust in their products anymore. Would prefer spend what the camera is gonna cost in an fx3ii + lens... And I could even buy with the rest one of those little pikachus for the coldshoe 😅
@@jcar4522 What other sensor is available for them to use? The 50mp sensor in the older GFX cameras is the only other option as far as I'm aware. Fuji doesn't develop or manufacture these sensors, Sony does.
@PhillipRPeck I know the sensors are made by Sony. The point is, if you dont have the right sensor for a cine camera, just dont make It! 100mp for video.... I dont know... Anyway, we will see how that "cinema" camera performs, quality image and that kind of things. And anyway, I wouldnt have bought gfx100 for video. Better options out there. After all, its a Fuji 😱
that's a mistake for them, that GFX sensor is too slow that no one is going to buy it, XH2s sensor would have been much better
I agree it's not an ideal sensor but I don't know what Fuji could've done to differentiate itself from the competition with an aps-c cinema camera. With the digital medium format, they have something that no one else has
So glad you’re an engineer for FUJIFILM. Obviously they do not know what they are doing. You should offer to help…
@@jamesbridges1107 they use same sensor and processor, you can't change readout speed
@ sure. I imagine that sensor cannot be modified…but I’m no engineer like yourself.
@@jamesbridges1107 the sensor cannot be modified they are made by sony