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I install monuments for a living. Do not follow these directions..have a professional do it. Yes its more expensive but at least it'll be installed correctly... For starters let the foundation cure before putting the base on.. No shims in between the base and die? Better hope you never have to remove it. Pre mixed concrete? Id like to see what this monument looks like a week later after the base started to settle and sink into the concrete.. Not to mention concrete pulls moisture.. Dont be suprised when your stone begins to flake and crack.
Yeah, lots of memorial masons here in England tried the filler/poxy path in the late 90s early 2000s, we are still having to pull headstones off (if they've not already fallen over) and seperate and drill out the old dowels/pins and refix them again using cement and stainless dowels/pins (best long lasting method), i would'nt fix on wet concrete (we have rules on how to fix headstones) but if you do, you could at least let the concrete cure (before going back fix the headstone) then you could drill a hole into the concrete a few inches deep and use a longer dowel/pin and at least the stone won't topple over when the seal under the base fails in the years to come, which it most likely will :)
I'd use a stone pin, personally. Stainless will eventually rust, and you never know what you're getting when you buy stainless from anywhere but a metal supplies store. If you must go stainless, tell them you're a clocksmith looking for lathe stock. They'll assume you will know what the fuck you're talking about and not sell you the 440 recycled late night TV katana's in ingot form.
pretty sure folks this is a spoof version, they are trying to show how not to do this, many vids out there just like this......Lol Come on people........
@@pinay56 A real mason, sets the stone in the ground. No concrete No glue. If you want it to be safe, drill a hole 4 inch in the memorialstone then drill a hole All the way through the base, now hammer a stainless stell metal bar in the ground and place Stone on the 4 inch that you let stick Up. Trust me on this, All this other nonsense is just stupid
I, appreciate your videos, but this one is say off . The monument company we are friends with dig deep before poring there base. Just not solid. No offense intended. Thanks again 😁
1. Is anyone else deeply, deeply disturbed by the fact that they set that stone in wet concrete? The only good news is that the joined-as-one base is small enough to move around when it starts sinking out of balance. 2. Putty job is messy. Use shims to keep headstone up a little, then use a harder putty in a string (like play doh) to put around just under it along the edge. Then use a pry par to lower down one end at a time and the putty will squeeze out and clean up real easy and you'll barely see a thing. That's how the businesses do it because they need the shims there so they use lift straps on the ends with a crane to lower down your typical heavy base and headstone.
you are quite right.. I do this for a living we dig a hole and put dry concrete in it. moisture from the dirt will set it. we use a little 1x to set the die on the base. these guys messed things up
Never set a monument in wet concrete. Or anything wet period. Granite, especially polished granite is very prone to drawing up moisture which is then visible through the polished side of the base or die. I want grass around my monument not six inches of concrete..
Main reason ..it stains the granite with concrete mud. And makes it impossible to finish the concrete properly .. Let alone leveling it on top of jello lol
+Adrian Boerstra because the weight will cause it to lean and become off level. you don't want to see your loved ones memorial fallen over and broken. want this done right one time, hire someone who knows the business.
@@meher7713 believe me that s not true Im stone mason in southern europe and i do this all the time and its always perfect And ours monuments are 10 times more complicated and hevyiour than yours
We only do the framed concrete on special requests. We usually dig a hole matching the size of the base, get it level. Dig some post holes in the hole. Pour a bag of quickcrete in , filling the said post holes. Then get it level and set the base. And you're not supposed to set a granite base in wet concrete. Use quick-crete gravel mix and it will harden over time.
I know this video is 11 years old but guys if you're getting into the headstone business then this is NOT the way to install a headstone. I have been installing headstones for 28 years and you do not set a headstone or the base to a headstone onto the concrete while it is still wet, you let the concrete set for at least 24 hours to cure properly and you never pull the form off for at least 24 hours for the same reason. You certainly do not use epoxy to seal two pieces of granite together because the epoxy will eventually crack and chip out, you use either granite setting puddy or all-purpose clear silicone to seal two pieces of granite together. If these guys were to try and install a headstone the way they describe in this video in the cemeteries where I'm from they would be told to come back and fix it the right way or never come back again. Installing a headstone the correct way is fairly simple and can be accomplished in just 2 or 3 hours and if you do it the right way it will stay upright and last for a very very long time.
Hi. Just watched your sandblasting video on a 3" black marble. 👍👍. I need an advice from you if you don't mind. Is there some kind of a treatment that can be applied to the white painted Kettering's from fading against uv rays?
Are you there? Wondering if you can tell me how long it takes for an old style concrete grave marker to disintegrate? Finding some of the stones in family plot seem to have disappeared and it doesn't make sense to me. So, if no person was to touch a stone like that, how long do you think it should last? Approximate of course. TY
I notice that you never use setting compound under the base and wondered is that some kind of cemetery rule. Where I live in central Illinois that is standard.
First thing you need to do is dig a concrete-filled footing with re-bars, 3 to 4 feet deep, then level it and install the base on top of that. Otherwise, the tombstone will start to lean, or worse yet, sink. There's a difference between an "economy" job and an "amateurish" effort.
Why do you need rebar in a foundation that is 3-4 feet deep? The largest common monument sizes would range from 2000-3000 pounds. That doesn’t seem like a load sufficient enough to warrant reinforcing concrete with rebar.
I cannot even believe they set that granite on WET concrete. My husband and I are making our funereal arrangements so our kids won’t have to worry. I hope we don’t spend good money on a monument and these clowns set it. Look at the mess all around the granite. Stupid……
this is so inaccurate it's not even funny. been around granite my whole life. should be set by a professional company and not by yourself people. this is one of those do not try at home things
never rip anyone off. the install is free with the stone. if you bjthered paying attention youd understand the danger of this and how easy it is to get hurt. dont speak unless spoken to bud
I have a question. My dad passed away almost a year ago. So I was trying to figure out how to attach a toy (figure from a Nintendo game) to the base ledge. (What the headstone sits on OR on the very top if I cannot attach it to the other). The figure is either plastic or resin (it’s from 1995 so I’m unsure which it is- worst case it will go into a shadowbox)
After 9 months, my dads headstone is finished. But with almost no rain this year, it makes me wonder if we’ll have issues with it sinking. Is there anything we can do to firm up the ground? I’ve taken extra dirt out to the grave to fill in places where it’s sunken in. It wasn’t bad but just wanted to mound it up slightly in case more places sink.
Hi, I have a question, my grandbaby passed away and we had a 1ft by 4ft peice of what I believe is white granite. Can we have this cut to a certain shape and gave it engraved? Who does this kind of stuff? We live in north Idaho. Any info would be appreciated. Thanks so much
Grass marker? Simple uncrate and place in desired location. Cover with plastic stand on it and gently cut the loam out around it. Then move grass marker remove loam from precut section and gently place marker in hole. Usually 4inches deep.
I know several people who have saved thousands of dollars by having loved ones buried in used cars. Simply place your love one in the passenger seat - drive the car into a pre dug slit trench - shut the car off - lock the doors and close over with dirt. Tuning the radio to a favorite station is a nice going away touch. A good battery supplies music for about two weeks. A gospel station is always Thoughtful.
I install monuments for a living. Do not follow these directions..have a professional do it. Yes its more expensive but at least it'll be installed correctly... For starters let the foundation cure before putting the base on.. No shims in between the base and die? Better hope you never have to remove it. Pre mixed concrete? Id like to see what this monument looks like a week later after the base started to settle and sink into the concrete.. Not to mention concrete pulls moisture.. Dont be suprised when your stone begins to flake and crack.
Yeah, lots of memorial masons here in England tried the filler/poxy path in the late 90s early 2000s, we are still having to pull headstones off (if they've not already fallen over) and seperate and drill out the old dowels/pins and refix them again using cement and stainless dowels/pins (best long lasting method), i would'nt fix on wet concrete (we have rules on how to fix headstones) but if you do, you could at least let the concrete cure (before going back fix the headstone) then you could drill a hole into the concrete a few inches deep and use a longer dowel/pin and at least the stone won't topple over when the seal under the base fails in the years to come, which it most likely will :)
I'd use a stone pin, personally. Stainless will eventually rust, and you never know what you're getting when you buy stainless from anywhere but a metal supplies store. If you must go stainless, tell them you're a clocksmith looking for lathe stock. They'll assume you will know what the fuck you're talking about and not sell you the 440 recycled late night TV katana's in ingot form.
pretty sure folks this is a spoof version, they are trying to show how not to do this, many vids out there just like this......Lol
Come on people........
You guys should go back to whatever it was you did before you tried being a monument company.
I do these for a living and I could't agree more.. Who uses epoxy? What a mess
Don't you masonary folks use some type of mastic, or even cement; or whatever you call the glue?
@@pinay56 A real mason, sets the stone in the ground. No concrete No glue. If you want it to be safe, drill a hole 4 inch in the memorialstone then drill a hole All the way through the base, now hammer a stainless stell metal bar in the ground and place Stone on the 4 inch that you let stick Up.
Trust me on this, All this other nonsense is just stupid
That epoxy “strip” looks awful.
Economy monument and economy installation, this a joke?
un -professional job
why?
I, appreciate your videos, but this one is say off . The monument company we are friends with dig deep before poring there base. Just not solid.
No offense intended. Thanks again 😁
Your foundation has got to be below frost level. May as well not even put a foundation if its only 3 inches thick. What's the use?
1. Is anyone else deeply, deeply disturbed by the fact that they set that stone in wet concrete? The only good news is that the joined-as-one base is small enough to move around when it starts sinking out of balance. 2. Putty job is messy. Use shims to keep headstone up a little, then use a harder putty in a string (like play doh) to put around just under it along the edge. Then use a pry par to lower down one end at a time and the putty will squeeze out and clean up real easy and you'll barely see a thing. That's how the businesses do it because they need the shims there so they use lift straps on the ends with a crane to lower down your typical heavy base and headstone.
you are quite right.. I do this for a living we dig a hole and put dry concrete in it. moisture from the dirt will set it. we use a little 1x to set the die on the base. these guys messed things up
bad foundation...and never! set granite in wet concrete
it took you a fuckin year to comment....,fucking idiot..., and read the other comments...fuck-uP!
I think you jerkoff alot..., know your business before you comment...PutZ!
Epoxy mess! Low budget is exactly right. You get what you pay for. Call a professional.
Never set a monument in wet concrete. Or anything wet period. Granite, especially polished granite is very prone to drawing up moisture which is then visible through the polished side of the base or die. I want grass around my monument not six inches of concrete..
What material do you use to adhere the base to the concrete underneath?
@@pozmarciv yes my question is the same
Main reason ..it stains the granite with concrete mud.
And makes it impossible to finish the concrete properly ..
Let alone leveling it on top of jello lol
@@pozmarciv Monument setting compound
Your head is denser than the concrete
I will be sure never to do business with these buys. NEVER set a grave marker in wet concrete. FAIL.
why?
Adrian Boerstra
Re-read my comment. I already answered your question.
+Adrian Boerstra because the weight will cause it to lean and become off level. you don't want to see your loved ones memorial fallen over and broken. want this done right one time, hire someone who knows the business.
hehehehehe...you are such a Fuck -up..lmao
@@meher7713 believe me that s not true
Im stone mason in southern europe and i do this all the time and its always perfect
And ours monuments are 10 times more complicated and hevyiour than yours
We only do the framed concrete on special requests. We usually dig a hole matching the size of the base, get it level. Dig some post holes in the hole. Pour a bag of quickcrete in , filling the said post holes. Then get it level and set the base. And you're not supposed to set a granite base in wet concrete. Use quick-crete gravel mix and it will harden over time.
yeah.. that's what we do at the monument company I work for.. Pier holes and set right
Thank you! This is how we do it and I have yet to have a foundation fail on me!
Can you walk me through your process?
I know this video is 11 years old but guys if you're getting into the headstone business then this is NOT the way to install a headstone. I have been installing headstones for 28 years and you do not set a headstone or the base to a headstone onto the concrete while it is still wet, you let the concrete set for at least 24 hours to cure properly and you never pull the form off for at least 24 hours for the same reason. You certainly do not use epoxy to seal two pieces of granite together because the epoxy will eventually crack and chip out, you use either granite setting puddy or all-purpose clear silicone to seal two pieces of granite together. If these guys were to try and install a headstone the way they describe in this video in the cemeteries where I'm from they would be told to come back and fix it the right way or never come back again. Installing a headstone the correct way is fairly simple and can be accomplished in just 2 or 3 hours and if you do it the right way it will stay upright and last for a very very long time.
Headstone teetering on the bases post then epoxied to stop it from swiveling? Didnt look like it fit together flush ?
Hi. Just watched your sandblasting video on a 3" black marble. 👍👍.
I need an advice from you if you don't mind. Is there some kind of a treatment that can be applied to the white painted Kettering's from fading against uv rays?
Think about it......" Don't use 2 people to lift the upright on when you can do it yourself"
90% of you fell for this spoof
thats terrible haha
no rebar in the foundation...fail and an iron pin not completely coated with epoxy will rust over tie Stainless is a better solution.....
Maybe change the name of the "Economy Momument"
WHAT CIRCUS HAVE THEY ESCAPED FROM A LITTLE KNOWLEDGE IS DANGEROUS
Cool it looks good
and don't forget the black paint.....I read it on your left hand!
wouldnt get away with that in scotland/uk
yes you would
I'm a stonemason in Manchester and that video knocked me sick. Shocking from start to finish 😂
thankyou; possibly adding a layer of steel mesh in the concrete will give even stronger foundation I think
A monument should be set by a professional company who follows the monument process from start to finish if you want it done right.
Dominic OR I'LL SET HIM DOWN
The monument isnt for a person
Not much of a footer that's gonna fall over.
Looks like a good job to me.
Very interesting.Thanks for sharing
many dilettante comment ) ,here is problem be over ,not good not nice siloplast ,granite is eternal more million ago )))
Bargain £7.95.
Are you there? Wondering if you can tell me how long it takes for an old style concrete grave marker to disintegrate? Finding some of the stones in family plot seem to have disappeared and it doesn't make sense to me. So, if no person was to touch a stone like that, how long do you think it should last? Approximate of course. TY
I was looking for the legend of the foot in the grave stone in bucks port Maine
Thank you 💛
I notice that you never use setting compound under the base and wondered is that some kind of cemetery rule. Where I live in central Illinois that is standard.
First thing you need to do is dig a concrete-filled footing with re-bars, 3 to 4 feet deep, then level it and install the base on top of that. Otherwise, the tombstone will start to lean, or worse yet, sink. There's a difference between an "economy" job and an "amateurish" effort.
Why do you need rebar in a foundation that is 3-4 feet deep? The largest common monument sizes would range from 2000-3000 pounds. That doesn’t seem like a load sufficient enough to warrant reinforcing concrete with rebar.
I cannot even believe they set that granite on WET concrete. My husband and I are making our funereal arrangements so our kids won’t have to worry. I hope we don’t spend good money on a monument and these clowns set it. Look at the mess all around the granite. Stupid……
this is so inaccurate it's not even funny. been around granite my whole life. should be set by a professional company and not by yourself people. this is one of those do not try at home things
never rip anyone off. the install is free with the stone. if you bjthered paying attention youd understand the danger of this and how easy it is to get hurt. dont speak unless spoken to bud
Dominic I'll speak bitch try to stop me
I have a question. My dad passed away almost a year ago. So I was trying to figure out how to attach a toy (figure from a Nintendo game) to the base ledge. (What the headstone sits on OR on the very top if I cannot attach it to the other). The figure is either plastic or resin (it’s from 1995 so I’m unsure which it is- worst case it will go into a shadowbox)
I'm trying find just a base to put 3in 12x24 marker on to make it higher up off ground
Hi, how can I order the cleaning products for lazer headstones
If my headstone is 24x12x1 what size would my wooden frame be???
After 9 months, my dads headstone is finished. But with almost no rain this year, it makes me wonder if we’ll have issues with it sinking. Is there anything we can do to firm up the ground? I’ve taken extra dirt out to the grave to fill in places where it’s sunken in. It wasn’t bad but just wanted to mound it up slightly in case more places sink.
Sad
I am a granite tombstone portrait artist from Kerala in lndia.also l can arrange different types of granite from lndia.
I am a granite tombstone portrait artist from Kerala in lndia.also l can arrange different types of granite from lndia.
Seeing that this is beside a parking lot, it appears to be a sample for customers to see.
VASIC CONCRETE. rusty tool. LOL
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Hi, I have a question, my grandbaby passed away and we had a 1ft by 4ft peice of what I believe is white granite. Can we have this cut to a certain shape and gave it engraved? Who does this kind of stuff? We live in north Idaho. Any info would be appreciated. Thanks so much
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do you leave that bad of a finish for the real thing? or did you not really try just because it was a test video?
I hope they did it half ass. I do this for a living and don't use wet concrete. that just means it will need to be re level it..
eric cerra how did you get into this?
Got hired to train to take setters position. Worked to manager
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How would one install a flat marker??
Not with concrete. Unless you want to do it wrong.
Grass marker? Simple uncrate and place in desired location. Cover with plastic stand on it and gently cut the loam out around it. Then move grass marker remove loam from precut section and gently place marker in hole. Usually 4inches deep.
50 year job, yep el budget
What pin made out of ?
I was hoping this was a tutorial how to make homemade headstones. I want some as decorations for my rock garden. Funeral homes charge too much
You need sandblasting stencil, a plotter cutter, an air compressor, and a portable sandblaster
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I know several people who have saved thousands of dollars by having loved ones buried in used cars. Simply place your love one in the passenger seat - drive the car into a pre dug slit trench - shut the car off - lock the doors and close over with dirt. Tuning the radio to a favorite station is a nice going away touch. A good battery supplies music for about two weeks. A gospel station is always Thoughtful.
You are talking about wasting a still drive-able car. How would you save thousands? Lame ass joke.
1-877- KARS for kids. Great idea
Great idea.
Thanks guy's
Thank you
Good work
Thank you
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA
screws all day. nails are near obsolete.
Can you make a moument with cups
Thanks!
The worst thing to do is put concrete under a marker or headstone. If you ever have to level it you’re going to catch hell.
This is a disgrace
Great Info guys and super simple techniques. Thanks for the video 🤘🏼🪦👍🏼