Britain's colonial legacy in Ireland under spotlight after Black Lives Matter protests - BBC News
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- Опубликовано: 8 июл 2020
- Continuing controversy over the future of some public statues, and protests by the Black Lives Matter movement, are shining a new light on aspects of Britain’s imperial past.
For the latest in a series of reports considering the legacy of imperialism, Sophie Raworth presents BBC News at Ten reporting by Fergal Keane, who has been to the province of Munster in the Republic of Ireland, one of the early testing grounds of British colonialism.
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“Thousands died in the famine” bro our population before the famine was *8.2 million* were still only at *4.9 million* we lost half our population and you try dull that town to just a couple thousand?
Different famine lad
Ah one of the other famines...youd forget there were more than the one
do you know that free american corn wasnt allowed to be distributed to the irish and the ottoman emporer was frankly told he couldnt contribute more then the english queen. yeah it was genocide.
@James Relf distributed is a strong word, he actually made public works projects like building pointless roads and subjected the starving poor to back breaking labour and were compensated in minute amounts of food to the point they were still starving even if they got the public works jobs, but sure, talk about the "genorisity" of peel
Many designer famines in Ireland and in Scottish Highlands (once a shared culture)!
Served the invented british franchise well to impoverish and divide!
At least 60,000 Irish children murdered in the name of so called Protestant Anglican conversion.
Many more names taken and given new ones to convert into good little english / british protestants.
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The last line in this video, "It really is the past", strikes me as odd. To say that Munster, or any part of Ireland, is unaffected by our history with Britain doesn't ring true. The fact that everyone was speaking in English in this video shows just one way the impact colonisation still has on present day Ireland.
Well, it is the BBC.
English is as much Ireland's language as it is England's. Our cities were settled and developed largely by English settlers, who over time became as Irish,, have always been almost exclusively English speaking.
@@andrewdevine6333 Cork, Dublin, waterford ect all existed before the English colonized Ireland in the 1500s.
@@andrewdevine6333 Our cities were developed by normans and vikings lad.
@@Sunny888 Not the Normans no, the vikings yes in alot of cases, not all mind you.
Our country is still divided...it is not in the past. It is ever present.
No it isn't. Commies like to create that impression to divide and conquer.
What does that even mean? In a democracy everyone is entitled to their own opinion, so statistically it is impossible to have one unanimous view.
The Northern Irish could vote to reunite Ireland. The problem would come if the violent sections of the Unionists don't accept a reunification vote. Forget terrorist attacks, think full on civil war.
@@superduper9357 because the republican side are so peaceful. Republicans wouldn't want to be under your PM
It wasn't the republicans that marched an army into England, took the land and built systems to prevent it's retaking. Any study of the north's history shows the manipulations of lords, votes and voting areas going back hundreds of years to favour English rule.
Don’t forget Oliver Cromwell
A legend
Buford t justice shut the fuck up
@@eelrod2818 How so? He killed many innocent Irish.
@@eelrod2818 You are a Nazi.
@smile 2192 The troubles happened after Ian Pailsly founded the UVF and attacked innocent catholics in 1966 and police attacked Irish people during peaceful marches,
Disingenuous of the BBC to only mention Munster, like Ireland doesn't continue to be a divided nation because of British colonialism, where's the mention of Ulster in your report?
The majority of Ulster wish to remain British. Nations throughout history have been created by this method.
@@chrisolagrim3597 the historical province of Ulster has 3 counties in the Republic and so is and always has been overwhelmingly nationalist. Ireland was undemocratically partitioned by the british. An artificial border carved out to manufacture a unionist majority.
@@stevenc6969I mean Northern Ireland. Since the dawn of time people have lead conquests of other lands get the potato off your shoulder.
Sean David Honestly, you’re so wrong in so many parts of that comment that I don’t know where to start... please educate yourself better. 🙂
@Sean David just from what you have written just there demonstrates that you have a primary school level understanding of the complex history & politics of Ireland. This is a real problem with english eductaion. Do yourself a favour and read a history book or two before spouting off ahistorical nonsense on the internet.
Have you heard of the Ulster Plantations? Basically, in the 17th century the ruling classes of england sent troublesome Scots Presbyterian settlers across to confiscate the land off the native Irish/Catholic population and subjugate them. This was another attempt force british rule onto the Irish people who were always resistant. Can you see how this might aggrieve Irish people and create conflict? This was also attempted in Munster but was not as effective. Also have a read about the Cromwellian invasion of Ireland, how the language & culture was suppressed, the Penal Laws and the Great Famine. This all happened over the course of many centuries. Once you've done that tell me again how much the Irish were the persecutors.
Also, in 1918 Ireland as a whole voted to be independent of britain, however a minority holed up in the upper eastern part of the island were against this and threatened all out war. This then lead to partition which was socioeconomically disastrous for the country both sides of the artificial border. In NI, the now protestant/unionist majority backed by westminster created a small fiefdom for themselves where they actively discriminated against Irish/nationalist/Catholic minority for decades before the eventual outbreak of the 'Troubles' in the late 60s.
Today NI is a very different place since the power sharing agreement was made in 1998. There is still animosity however the demographics are slowly changing in favour of Irish nationalists. For the first time in the history of NI a majority nationalist parties gained the votes in the most recent general election.
This is as brief as I can make it, but please try and educate yourselves. Don't just arrogantly assume you know best about another country's history. It all stinks of english exceptionalism. It's okay to be humble and admit some ignorance.
"The death of one man is a tragedy. The death of millions is a statistic."
Said by a french officer. Every word Stalin said was written down
TP Swift very big and painful truth dear friend
Comrade Stalin approves of this statement
sasinator lord of sasins no he doesn’t because was my earlier reply here states it wasn’t said by Stalin! Ever! Not once! So you keep repeating lies you’re only deluding yourself
@Damo 616 The death of hundres of innocent school children( school shootings) and social events by All Lives Matter supporters beyond horrific.
Wonder why they discuss Munster, not Ireland because most of Ulster is still under British rule. Sneaky.
Safer! Far safer! Munster history is past, Ulster is ever-present and will be vitally important in the future, whatever that may turn out to brme. "Ireland, unfree, will never be at peace".
Ulster was never fully Irish
because they want to make hate eachother not them !!
I would love to think that it's because Cork did most of the heavy lifting in the War Of Independence! ;-)
As Collins said when Sean MacEoin, hero of the Midlands, was captured by the British: *"Cork will be fighting alone now".*
And before all the YT hate starts: Collins himself knew that was a joke: his own "Squad", who destroyed the British spy service in Ireland, were all from Dublin City!
stuart parker yes it was
Unfortunately it's not the past all over Ireland, its very much the present.
James Relf Northern Ireland
I’m Irish and there’s a few things we’re going to have to accept - the uk or England is never going to simply go away it’ll always be there , the assumption that every single English person knows absolutely nothing about uk Irish history is plainly wrong we cannot just assume the Scots and welsh know absolutely everything about our history perfectly and the English don’t I personally have met many English over the years who do know quite a bit about our sad and tragic relationship and many didn’t have Irish roots ..... also in regards to reunification in the future yes it may happen however that will severely test relations with the uk to its limits in that Ireland totally severs all links to the uk which will be civil war or major civil unrest or a compromise is reached somewhere along the long at the end of the day the not give an inch mentality has to change sometime in the future as we simply cannot afford eternal conflict I’m sure many in England don’t want it and also in Ireland so compromise or something has to happen.....
@@SH3RIFF187 the fact that “northern ireland” has been accepted by world leaders as anything other than 6 occupied irish counties is an absolute tragedy. big whiff of the ongoing colonial project in the palestinian west bank .
@@bg5469 as long as there is British presence in Ireland there are going to be people that oppose it......fact
The video didn't even scratch the surface
Thats all ye will be lucky to get out of the BBC.
Desmond McDermott - They try say they didn’t enslave the irish lol
It's a five minute news segment. You'd need a 10 part documentary to cover half of it.
All this was surprising to see as an Irish man, but not one mention of the disgusting criminal removal of our mother tongue through the penal laws. It's not even called Munster, it was called An Múmhain, but the British Anglicised all our place names, surnames and then completely outlawed the use of our own language
Sorry For What Happened To Your People
Yep, and that’s why Irish is a language but unfortunately not spoken enough in Ireland.
The exact same happened in Wales as they invaded and attempted the ethnic cleansing of the welsh
An honest chap yes!!
Tá an ceart agat
Judging from the comments below the English still in total denial about their terrible history.
not in denial, just nobody gives a shit what happened in the past when they have nothing to do with it. Keep on whining and victimising yourself if it makes you feel better.
It's scary. All them big cities and buildings were built on on the back of slavery.
Every country's done good and bad in the past, why single out the British. At least Britain was responsible for the industrial revolution and a vast number of scientific, democratic and social advances.
@@monck55 shame they weren't exported to Ireland, India or Africa then...
@@monck55 yea but it's time to take responsibility for of all the bad shit too. Does that ever happen?? Every year more jingoistic bullshit. Poppy fascism. Time to accept the empire was not universally popular.
The English did make our Irish ancestors slaves. They were taken on slave ships in the early 17th.February to their colonised south sea islands. And remember the famine here in Ireland was an attempt at etnic cleansing. The food was shipped out of the country to England leaving the Irish to starve. We never did get an apology for 800 years of horror.
Although what happened was inhuman, it wasn't slavery. The children of indentured servants didn't become indentured servants. Slaves' children did.
@@RobWright1981 The definition you have given is for chattel slavery in particular. To say the Irish suffered slavery the same as African slaves would be wrong but the Irish sent to the Carribbean Islands were indeed slaves, not simply indentured servants like many of those sent to the North American mainland.
@@RobWright1981 oh thats absolutely fine then
@@jimmymcguire8217 It's a lot different from the kind of generational slavery that happened to Africans. No, not fine, but not the same.
@@RobWright1981 google 'skibbereene' and/or 'Baltimore' then explain the difference to me please
all the irish who were transported had their histories wiped, too. i have no idea who my people were
Yea pretty much. Changed their names etc
Yaakov Ezra Ok so Africans aren’t oppressed either.
@Justa Computa no your not lmao
You can do an ancestry test..... Most black americans cant.
Irish people are not oppressed today, but a lot of our characteristics and habits as a group have been shaped by oppression.
A United Ireland once again. Let us Irish be a united Ireland once again.
Yeah im happy with how it is thank you
What’s the point if the ethnic Irish are replaced with Africans, Asians and other Europeans? Ah, yes. Let’s unite Ireland. And then just accept the replacement of the Irish through immigration?
Only then will the scars heal over.
Let the six counties do their own thing thank you , Nutters of both sides have fun no room in the South for you .
@Leo D'Arcy Wolfe Tone was correct in his thinking that the path to a more liberal Ireland lay with the 'advanced thinkers of the north.' Not only is this the most Irish part of the country, but it is also the most left wing.
Ireland was one of the most oppressed British territories
And coming in at number two.....
Most irish people do not want anything other than an acknowledgement it happened. History is history, learn from it , do better and move forward.
My blood boils when it comes down to the English.
@@deusmachinima1189why? what did your english person working in shitty conditions starving in the north to do ireland? the upper class always wins don’t they
Wow. The Brits still don't want to hear about their history. See the rage in these comments. It's hilarious.
They won't accept old terrors like the plantations, and they won't accept newer ones like Windrush. But we're used to it. And as those people in the documentary pointed out, we're trying to move passed it now. We're a first world nation with our own privileges and responsibilities now
My DNA is bang on 85% Irish. I’m saying this now. Why are you searching for problems in a long distant past that is no ones fault currently. We have literally nothing to gain from digging up long gone and dead wars.
@@vadoksam9235 that first sentence is a bit weird, I'm not sure why you mentioned it tbh. The reason its still in contention is because no reparations were made and we only pulled ourselves out of poverty when we joined the EU.
It's not really complaining about the past but talking about it. It needs to be talked about. The only issue irish people ever have with it nowadays is that British people won't acknowledge that any wrong was done. Plus Churchill is still treated like a hero when he was the one responsible for the black and tans paramilitary group. He also made comments around the lines of appreciating H**ler's tactics. So fair to say he hated the Irish.
But again. Nobody's really whining or complaining about what was done in the past, but for recognition of our history our experience
Edit: H**ler
Name a country that hasn't kept slaves...
@@vadoksam9235 long distant past? You are aware that only 26 counties of 32 gained independence 98 years ago? My grandmother-in-law was born within 5 years of Irish Independence and she passed last year. It's still going on with British occupation in the 6 counties. The troubles were in the 70s and fighting continued to the 90s. Remember the Good Friday agreement? Signed in 1998. We have only had a ceasefire in place for 22 years. Long distant past? OK...
My old history teacher used to suggest switching the word "black" for "Catholic" and you see pretty quickly what anti-Catholic sentiment and long-standing policy in the North was.
my history professor once said if you change catholic to protestant you had an idea of the ideology the ira had for ethnic cleansing of protestants in the boarder regions and throughout, but rip to all who died in the island throughout all the ages
@@funwithflags7506 Oh please, the allegation that the IRA engaged in a campaign of ethnic cleansing is ridiculous. Most of the Protestants killed in Fermanagh were members of the armed forces. There was no attempt to exterminate protestants by the IRA and it's a pretty sickening allegation when you consider that Protestant violence started the conflict and that the Protestants had previously ethnically cleansed the Catholics.
Ironic and peverse to think that many of the so called british prods, (those who typically have no credible religion or culture of any kind)
are actually descended from the poorest of Irish
Stolen and identites rewritten
At least 60,000 Irish children murdered in the name of so called Protestant Anglican conversion.
Many more names taken and given new ones to convert into good little english / british protestants.
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@@funwithflags7506 You do realise there were Protestant Nationalists?
@@DeclinedMercy The IRA most definitely killed people for being Unionist and Protestant along the border. This is indisputable.
Well since they allow comments...
Tiocfaidh ar lá
Ah I see you're a man of culture as well, Tiocfaidh ar lá a chara.
Tiocfaidh ar la
An bhfuil cead agam dul go dtí an leithreas
Dia duit Tiocfaidh ár lá a chara
@@johnlarkin8593 Tá cead agat, a chára
This leaves out a lot but I supose if you only have a 5 minute segment... I was once in cork (part of Munster) when an English friend visiting from London, he was telling us in the Pub about how he was going to take the next day to visit the historic sites, our local host said "Don't bother ye burnt it all", the English friend went ahead with his plans, the next evening a paler version of this English Friend met us in the Pub an started apologising for the Black and Tans burning everything of historic relevance in the Irish was of Indepence(1919 -1921).
Perhaps the Black and Tans need to taught in English History.
@Owen Sheridan plenty of snowflakes all over the world.Read plenty of sullivans post and he definitely is not one of them(English post that is,not Irish).I might rib him now and again but he tells the truth in the Irish view of things
@Jerry O Sullivan ah yes, cottages in cork city centre, you're a great example of why mother's shouldn't drink heavily during pregnancy, lest we are burdened with more mindless idiots such as yourself.
@Jerry O Sullivan en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burning_of_Cork
It explicitly stated that British forces burnt cork city centre to the ground, please, read it yourself. How could you dispute blatant facts, and if u don't believe the article look at the tens of sources included at the bottom.
Edit. Even the normal non tan British military were Soo disgusted by the to tans burning of cork they lead an inquiry and found the tans guilty of doing so, it's in the article. Please do research before you try justify war crimes, it gives you a bad look... Just sayin.
@Jerry O Sullivan What does it matter if there is evidence, it happened, then they repaired it, it's the killing of Innocent and uncompensated property damage that was the main problem, that was what we were arguing, as you said they only burnt cottages, failing to mention the 2nd biggest city in Ireland which has it's centre destroyed.
@Jerry O Sullivan true, but he was referring to the English burning of cork, he didn't mention the IRA burning, which I've never heard of nor seen evidence of, but if it did happen I would agree it's bad, but he was talking about the English attrocities you went way off topic, he was talking about the English burning which was horrible and left 100s dead in the streets. Also this might be a grammar mistake, but you said the tans left no face whitening marks, but the above link of the English cork city burning proves other wise, burnt high street, firefighters shot, families burning alive. Definition of war crime
Agree to disagree I suppose.
Edit: also could you kindly provide a source the old IRA burning of Cork city, as I have never heard this before and when I searched it I found nothing I am genuinely curious. Thanks.
No offence, but I'm not sure what you are trying to say here, you said to a comment about the burning of Cork that they only burnt cottages, which has been proven wrong, then you said it did happen but the IRA (idk which one) did worse, which I never heard of
That poor girl at the end says she couldn't imagine what it would be like to have her culture and sense of identity stripped from her, when that's exactly what's happened. The language, customs, epic literature and modes of expression which defined the Gaelic heritage of her ancestors was forcibly dissolved by deliberate British policy. What remains of true Irish culture are mere reconstructions, theorised by poets and academics; rather than evolving organically from living, breathing modes of communication. Irish people have lost everything. This young lady should be livid.
Nothing prevents you from returning to your sense of culture
You’ve had nearly 100 years
It’s pure laziness and/or you’ve been taking in by globalization. Welcome to the EU project.
Spot on
@@danh555 What do you mean. You know AAs are mixed with Europeans, some Natives, different parts of Africa right? If talking about Black Americans they are mixed with European by your logic your saying they should also return to Europe lol. Americans are too mixed to return anywhere our ancestors homelands for some of us are in North America but also multiple region's. All of our Ancestors built the U.S. saying to return when European Early Settlers related to AAs is ridiculous they did that to themselves. The Europeans who came in the 1900s can and Africans but you forget half the U.S. has Mayflower and 13 colony descendants. Which 90%, of AAs are descendants of those AA and European settlers. Ranging from 400 years,some in Former Spanish and French Territory and before.
I guess an observation might be that education does not appear to have included critical thinking, critical analysis and elementary research.
About time someone rememberd it happened nearer to home
You won't or can't get much closer than Wales. If they don't teach what they done to Ireland, do you really think they would even give a cursory mention to Wales?
@@dwyermckerr9482 110%
@@TheWolffeBricker So if let's say another nation subjugated your nation and slaughtered a ton of it's population you would just get over it?
@@hardcasekara6409 those deaths were awful and easily avoidable. But compared to Africa? India? China? Ireland got an easy life.
Stop crying about it and move on. BBC shit stirrers stirring up all this hatred. It happened. It can't unhappen. It was a long time ago. You want revenge or something?
"No wonder the sun never sets on the British empire, not even God could trust the English in the dark!" --Sashi Tharoor
My grandmother had written down all the history of her side of the family as her father came from Ireland, he spoke of a history that his family remembered as painful and full of wrongs that would take so very long to make better. My grandmother would say this " Cé go ngortaíonn sé sinn ní mór dúinn leanúint ar aghaidh toisc go bhfuil dualgas orainn cuimhneamh air." Which roughly translates to "Although it hurts us we must continue because we have a duty to remember it." So instead of celebrating St Patrick that side of the family would celebrate Irish legends and heroes.
Thousands died in the famine that swept through Munster????
To clarify 1 million people died.
I’m pretty horrified that an error like that was made in the programme.
Approximately one million we are told, but even that figure is underestimated by a long shot.
@@mojophe1617 Lads they're not talking about the 1800's famine.The plantation of Munster (and it's own mini-famine, if you can call it that) was about 300 years before "The Famine".
Different famine. There were many.
Imagine being afraid to tell your own history, how embarrassing is that
British in the comment section completely in denial. What's new?
Not in denial. But asking why they, the generation that had no part of this, must near the brunt of all this hatred from the past.
@@louvivier7779 exactly, if we are to follow the same reasoning, today Italians should be held accountable for the massacres and slavery occurred during the Roman rule of Britain. So Mongols with Genghis khan and China and so on on on. What a pathetic time we're living in.
Lou Vivier it’s like the slavery thing in America it wasn’t that long ago you’ve danced around it for to long, we were economically fucked forever until the last ten years, Oliver Cromwell was a fuckin gobshite yet he’s still shown as a fuckin hero
@@fulippuannaghiti1965 just because you didn't suffer doesn't mean you should keep what your ansestors stole.
@@Doireannxo apparently you didn't understand a word of what I wrote. Nevermind.
Yes yes yes, we want to learn what our ancesters did, instead of it being hidden in our education system
Hidden? It hardly exists in the education system at all. Who gets taught about Ireland?
Are yous speaking from Englands education system? I'm Irish and curious.
@@TheIrishBosnianI am English, but I dont know about Jonathan.
@@TheIrishBosnian yeah, we learnt about how horrible America was owning slaves and their use of segregation but happened to skip over our horrible history
@@jonathanandrade1082 Alright. And sounds very hypocritical alright. Highlight the world's fuck ups, but not you're own. Sure, how do ya answer kids questions on such fuckery anyway. It'd be a tough one.
They weren't made slaves but they were made indentured servants (slaves)
Ireland is a very innocent country in Europe. very proud people and very understanding of the rest of the world. god bless this beautiful and lovely country.
Millions died in the enforced starvation not a famine, Ireland had plenty of food but it was sent to feed the British soldiers in whatever country they were invading at the time.
I recently read a book about the history of the UK and when I got to the Irish section, I was shocked. The Irish suffered so much! I sympathize with them.
@Jayboo Menendez History was really harsh on the Irish though.
@Jayboo Menendez It's not because those people aren't there anymore that we don't have to feel bad. It's because we aren't the ones who caused the suffering.
Jayboo Menendez But what was done to them still impacts us today. Our population never recovered from the famine. The Irish language has almost been wiped out. And still, our country is split between Ireland and the UK.
@@meneither3834 let me ask - do you believe that Germany should bear the responsibility for what their country did to Jewish people or is that also excusable because most of them are dead? No it doesn't work like that I'm afraid. England set out to invade and colonise Ireland through a process of state sanctioned ethnic cleansing in which millions of people died through warfare, disease and famine. And millions more were forcibly transplanted or transported overseas to work under the brutal conditions of the early English colonies in the Americas. But sure - it was a long time ago. Whistles ...
@@emcc8598 It's not that "it was a long time ago."
It's that : the perpretators are dead.
"irish weren't made slaves" double check that fact mate, we weren't even allowed own land!
@Nunquam Non Paratus thats a lie. You havnt a clue.
"To Hell or to Connacht" famous words of genocidal maniac Oliver Cromwell.
@Ruairi O' Donnchadha first of all nobody "likes" to believe irish were slaves. Irish history is littered with slavery both sides of it. Saying irish were never slaves is just waay off. The psuedohistory Is that irish were the first slaves to "the new world" that is fake
Ruairi O' Donnchadha they had to work on land only being paid in a place to sleep which were normally run down and dirty, they chose to do it not cus they wanted to do it but cus they had to
every race was forced into slavery, not just black and Irish.
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it is with a heavy heart I announce The Brits Are At It Again
Winning
@Sean David at winning
The English government, not the English people. Makes sure you don’t forget the distinction between the two
@@Thepoweoftheriffcompelsme I'm Croatian and there's always this tendency to paint all English people black because of what their government did or does. Most English people that I've met were the nicest people and the same goes for Germans. Are we going to hold all Germans responsible for the Nazism? Hell NO!! If that was the criteria, it could go on forever because there's barely (if at all) any nation on Earth without some kind of burden on their collective conscience.
@@tombelanovic7686 well said Tom. I'm Irish and have plenty of English friends. I do however notice from what you see read , see and hear that there remains a section of the English who think they have an ownership of the world. Beat ignored. I was in Germany last year for first time too and they are lovely people too. Every country I suppose has its minorities.
Love to Ireland!❤
May you find what you seek!
Isn't there more to Ireland than Munster?
Back in the 1580s , Connaught and Ulster were the most Gaelic parts of the country . Leinster and Munster we're more under the influence of the English .
Cork is in Munster so most Irish people see it as the most important province
I am AMAZED the BBC is covering the plantation system in Ireland!!
Good point
Im irish and they still covering up history in ireland and not to mention going ons in northern ireland
@Ford Prefect bigger cover up is jimmy saville rolf harris epstein and prince andrew
🍯 blood honey get over it and deal with your history
@@dmfitzsim WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU ON ABOUT??
800 years of occupation, involving systematic destruction of our culture and religion, man made famines and countless atrocities. I also consider being sent to America or Australia as prisoner to work for say, speaking your language, to tread the line of slavery.
People in Ireland understand that the people of today didn't commit the crimes of yesterday, but lets not sugar coat it. Let's also not mention the fact that they still occupy 6 counties of Ireland either...
True like many I blame the British government not the ordinary ppl for past crimes I blame elites like Cromwell, Russell and trevelyan as the men go did the harm and had brits tell me Cromwell was a complete **** and the same of both Charles trevelyan and John Russell
Cromwell Enslaved thousands of us in the sugar plantations....
Came here for the comments, and so did you.
Got a cuppa here and a bag of popcorn...
@@Jellygamer0 All prepared. I've been through some already, and I'm certain you won't be disappointed.
it’s a shit show alright, filled with white nationalist straw-mans
Look into the history of the Island of Montserrat in the Caribbean.
"It really is the past!" When was the last time he was in Crossmaglen!
@Jerry O Sullivan Be respectful please and show sensitivity on the subject. It is not in past memory.The trauma off passing by and knowing the presence of unmarked famine graveyards every time I travel 2 km away from my home is very much living in the memory of it.
@Jerry O Sullivan
I think we maybe a little older , I was quite a cross unforgiving youth myself.
The plantation of Ulster carried on into the 1800s, so more recent, only a few generations.
@Jerry O Sullivan Please refrain from the use of the name Jesus, divine figurehead to 2.3 billion people, as an expression of disdain! If, as you say, he was talking about the Republic then this would include the border counties, which do not live in isolation from Northern Ireland. If you argue that they were specifically and only talking about Munster as it relates to BLM and the rest of the world then you are on better ground. But surely you can see how a fellow Irishman would fail to consider Munster as a separate entity, especially as the colonialist tactics learned there were applied with devastating effect to the rest of Ireland, reaching its apogee in Ulster. It really isn´t the past.
@Jerry O Sullivan You did not singularly fail at all! When I made my comment I did actually consider that angle. I simply felt justified in jumping the fence. Sorry I picked you up wrong! You have my apologies! And I´ll try to restrict myself to "only calling upon the Lord as in prayer." That´s a good one! I like that!
Unlike other western governments the British government hasn't declared the holodomor to be a genocide because then they would have to admit that the Irish famine was a genocide.
The U.K. government doesn’t recognise any genocides and leaves the matter to international courts to decide. It doesn’t treat any with more or less favour in that regard.
Mind you vast majority of academics (including Irish and Irish Descended) deny the term genocide in during the Irish famine. Abhorrent treatment to be sure, but most agree the government didn’t act with intent to destroy Irish people, particularly under the peel government.
That being said, there were many genocides committed in the years prior to this mainly under the cromwellian dictatorship that is undeniably one. I feel like these go largely overlooked due to the great famine despite being on a per capita basis more destructive.
I would like to see some form of apology from our government for the sake of Ireland and her people. The closest we got was a letter in 1997 supposedly from Blair. Domestically the tories would never support the move as they tap into deep seated Middle English nationalism for their voting base, but when Labour inevitably win in 2025 I hope there is a chance.
It is a great shame what my country has done to Ireland and the world. Akin to Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia, the British Empire was fundamentally built on the pillage and plunder of other nations and oppression of working people at home and abroad. I think it’s time we address our imperial past in the U.K.. Moreover, we shouldn’t let it define our future and we can work with Ireland to build a more prosperous and peaceful archipelago for all.
“The Irish we’re not slaves” okay, what about the Irish in the Caribbean’s? Australia? America? England? Even in our country
They weren't slaves? The Irish actually lynched black people in the Americas too. The Irish took park in brutal campaigns in Australia,new Zealand, Fiji, India and the Americas.
@MsMissy anyone taking from there land, forced to work without pay, tortured, forced to mix breed, forced upon sexually. There were Irish slaves globally, in Australia, South Africa, The Caribbean, the UK, there is more to slavery then just Afro American Slavery which america always forgets or gets wrong
@@losanto667 Depends on where in the U.S. and what time period. Irish in the 1700s and 1800s had a huge influence in South Louisiana culture and also Appalachia's. The British who came to America were way more hostile towards black people than Irish since they were more likely to be Indentured in that time frame and a lot mixed with Native and Black cultures and weren't as hostile. Also the Irish and Italians weren't considered white until the 1920s. Also the KKK was anti Catholic and got into with the Irish.
@@jesteroffools1035 Mexicans and Puerto Ricans are still not considered white.
Very watered down. This stuff isn’t even taught in UK schools. Each child should be learning about this.
No they shouldn't, People will get ideas in there head at a young age. Meaning more violence & non peaceful protests.
I agree, it should be on a national news channel which can easily be accessed by children at home
Leftists only saying the negative stuff and not the positive to create a one sided narrative. Transparent tactics they always use e.g oppressed Vs the oppressor. Straight out of Karl Marx's communist manifesto
@@chrisolagrim3597 so you only teach and believe the 'positive'? Is that not a form of indoctrination in itself? You don't like the truth about your country's history and are easily offended when it's shown for what it was. You can't face it so you go down the anti-intellectual route accusing those who study and dare question your deeply held sense of patriotism as being 'leftist'. An absolutely pathetic, disingenuous way of thinking.
Why..? The only British history taught in schools is about the ‘horrors’ of the British empire. How about have a balanced approach, rather than indoctrinating.
its a fascinating and complex history to be sure -- the appropriate stance is not to aim to be an ally, but to stand in solidarity with those who are oppressed.
And can you please tell me who these people that are oppressed today are ? As an Irish catholic man brought up in Derry during the troubles I personally don't have an axe to grind with anyone I believe from where my parents and there parents went tru iam truly blessed to be born in the UK we are the most free people this earth has ever known go back 150 years ago we were all slaves except for the privileged few
Michael this fella hasn't a clue - we've move on and we hold no man to account for the sins of his father... That's what got us the cycle of killing in the troubles in the first place.
Confronting the ugly truth of the past makes it possible to move forward. Kudos to all who participate.
'Black Americans and Black British have a grievance, but, sure the Irish are grand about it.'
Leave it to the British to find the very few people who are unaware of the suffering they wrought on the Irish people for centuries.
Well said!
Cromwell statue in Manchester was vandalised with BLM and the British thought to reconsider the statue, but never did they think about it after the Warrington or Manchester IRA bombings...
It's not a distant past in Ulster
A glib overview. The past oppressions still linger and will. Asking twenty year olds who scarce know themselves of psychic scars is not a fair barometer on the souls of the Irish
Psychic scars! That's taking victimhood to levels never before witnessed.
@Sean David Be honest with me, do you know an ounce of Irish history other than the troubles, because you're sounding like those Brits who know nothing about Irish history, yet think they can judge and using terms like victimhood.
@@Al-db9qg get over it.
I don't have any psychic scars over the enslavement of my people by the Romans, Normans, Flanders, Vikings, Scandinavians, Angles, Saxons, Irish and so on.
@@Gambit771 the difference is, dipshit, that those happened thousands of years ago, while these happened in living memory.
Plus, since those Roman attrocities happened Soo long ago, it was common practise, and it was done by normal people, but when the English attrocities happened they were thousands of years later, when people were more conscious of these things, it was condemned and was by the times standards, evil. Just like how slavery was normal back in the day but it isn't now.
Read the book "white cargo". "The irish were not made slaves" yeah right
We weren't slaves. Yeah we were treated terribly, couldn't speak our language, and had our land taken away then forced to work it for colonisers. But we could buy our freedom. Comparing what happened to us to slaves is a bit simplistic than what actually happened. Not trying to take away from the hardship, poverty and stripping away of our language. But calling it slavery is wrong
@@LannasMissingLink history is complicated, there were periods where the Irish were certainly treated worse than slaves.
@@LannasMissingLink Chattel Slaves could also buy their own freedom. People seem to always ignore bondage slavery though.
50,000 sent to slave labour under Cromwell, also indentured servitude and slavery are the same thing, just one has a time limit. Some slaves did buy their freedom at points!
"Sons shall not revisit the sins of their fathers"
People who haven't studied the Bolsheviks are having trouble understanding the events of 2020.
Britain has already spent years talking about the mistakes of history, and now we have new comers here to bring up stuff that doesn't effect them in the slightest.
That's literally what they said at the end. Did you finish the video or turn off and commented before they actually made their point?
of course the past affects the present. what are you talking about
No, their fathers shall face those sins.
Except pretending none of this happened has lead to the British still persisting in burying the truth around the troubles in Northern Ireland and protecting soldiers that murdered innocent people.
Perhaps you should consider this?
British Nationlists (2016): We need to appreciate True British History!
True British History (2020): Why are you running?
Why can't we just be like Germany and acknowledge the awful stuff we did? We'll never be able to move on from it if we don't.
@Ford Prefect there was a little something called the potato famine going on before that, and an independence movement occurring at the time. Don't know if you heard about it. The population of ireland was slowly being starved to death under british imperialism. Would you side with the people who starved you, and said you were less than human and put down your attempts to gain freedom?
I'm half Irish half British by the way. Which house am I in exactly?
@Ford Prefect Yeah they offered a similar deal to the Arabs when Lawrence of Arabia was around. Guess what happened. They didnt follow through.
Also "Go to war with your oppressor and they'll give you back the thing which was already yours" isn't a very convincing line is it?
The banks have everyone, UK more so than ever now. Brexit was a transition from one set of oligarchs to another, nothing more.
Edit: Thankyou for actually giving a genuine source for your claims though. You have no idea how rare that is on this dumbass site.
LOYALTY. That's the difference between those desperate to attack their country and those that support and stand up for it.
@@monck55 You can acknowledge a countries history and still protect and strive for it to be better. You have be able to see the good and bad in things.
@Ford Prefect I won't disagree with that. I'm just saying it wasn't exactly a black and white decision. The deal provided involved british troops and ships entering Ireland to 'protect' it. Given Britains colonial history what do you think would have happend when the war ended?
Not to mention the fact Britians other small allies were treated like crap, the Poles on the Battle of Britain, the Indians (starved),
The Windrush generation who helped rebuild after the war ended were screwed over by Enoch Powell who made the rivers of Blood speech after personally inviting them over.
We did some shady despicable shit back in the day. So I'm honeslty not surprised if Ireland, knowing all this, in their situation, wasn't sure who to back.
If Ireland had allied with the Nazis, sure that would be unforgivable. But being neutral? Eh.
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3884076/Why-did-humiliate-Polish-aces-Battle-Britain-heroics-ungrateful-nation-wanted-deport-men-women-fell-Hitler-feared.html
www.historylearningsite.co.uk/ireland-1845-to-1922/ireland-in-the-nineteenth-century/
Wow I cant believe the BBC aired this. The British state/media usually make an effort to be completely biased and ignore the british involement in Ireland to keep their population ignorant of the british states shameful past.
Then again this video is pretty tame in its description of the colonisation, poorly researched and still rose tinted for a british audience.
Now give back the 6 counties
@Nunquam Non Paratus Why Are You Capitalising Everything
"History is no longer a gaping wound in Munster. The colonial past is distant, it really is the past" The previous Government basically lost the election because they wanted to commemorate the RIC/Black and Tans, 100 years later that collective memory is still raw.
Irish Eyes you’ve been pretending black people go to republican rally’s telling irish people they don’t belong in Ireland ffs
The polling prior to the election would tell you otherwise. People voted predominantly based on health and housing.
You're right the history is still raw, but people don't want to face reality.
I wouldn't want an apology from Brits for the horrors of colonialism inflicted on the Irish. Just an acknowledgement. Still, even that seems too much for some people who still don't see anything wrong with imperialism and even view it positively.
Yet I bet you voted for the European empire...
@@leighduxbury3864 come back to me when the EU kills millions of people in ireland
@@Ross-nd6xi Anglo - french invasion of 1255, not to mention the Italians or the Germans.
@@leighduxbury3864 in ireland? What are you on about Italians and germans never invaded us. Add to the fact that has nothing to do with the EU, also the germans apologise for their awful crimes in ww2, brits like you still think the empire was good
You literally heard the Queen of England acknowledge it in the video... like as a Cork girl that is pretty daft of ya
Póg mo thóin, England.
lol kiss my arse, England
Amaazing and a pattern that we see through the whole history of Colonialism. In a word barbaric.
Just go back a few years earlier and you will see exactly the same pattern in little Wales where colonialism took root in the British/English ruling elite. In 1282 our head of state was executed whilst out hunting by English Mercenaries. His head put on a spike and taken to the Tower of London. His wife and daughter were incarcerated in a nunnery in Lincolnshire where they lived the rest of their imprisoned days. We are still not allowed to ask for the return of their remains nearly 900 years later.
A chain of Castles was built across Wales with walled towns around them. 1000s of English settlers were shipped in to live in these towns where no Welsh man or Woman was allowed to live. If you were Welsh your land was taken from you and large parcels of land were amalgamated and presented to Edward 1st and his closest allies.
If you were Welsh you were not allowed to own land, run a business, not allowed to run a market stall, or attend any markets to sell your wares if you had any to sell. And of course the language was banned inside those town walls.
1000s starved to death and were reduced to begging and living like surfs.
Those large tranches of land have been passed down the generations and are still the basis of the wealth of many large estates that occupy large parts of Wales. Many farmers still live as tenants on these estates mostly owned by absentee English landlords with rent increases imposed if they improve the farm.
Today our castles are the destinations for tourists who have no idea of the barbarism and the history that they're walls could talk about if only they could.
Wales is still occupied and that occupation still continues as our culture and language fight to persist.
Dramatic you may say but still true.
Wales lacks diversity, you could do with a few more mosques.
+Brian Thomas and all this is easily google-able fact, with academic backing (see Korngiebel 2003 for an account of colonization in the Clwyd valley, for example), however there are a lot of English people who will accuse you of making it all up. Shows the inadequacy of historical education in this country, that English people don't even consider themselves as the descendants of invaders, responsible for assimilationist policies from the dark ages right through to 1993, when Welsh was finally recognized as an official language. Subtler forms of assimilation are arguably ongoing.
the word welsh, literally was an anti celtic slur too
The Welsh are not exactly agitating to leave England or the UK. No backbone.
@@bluechip297 No economy. I wonder whose fault that is. Yes there has been mismanagement by Welsh Labour, but given the lack of financial room they have been allowed by Westminster (who just basically send a welfare cheque and send them packing), it's hardly significant compared to the enormous disparity between the rest of the UK, and Wales, its poorest region. Something's wrong with the union when Wales has a lower HDI and GDP/capita than the Czech Republic and Slovenia, both former communist countries, one formerly part of Yugoslavia (2017 data, this is the most recent I have found). Westminster simply hasn't been making job creating investment. All it's done was to sign a welfare cheque, after unilaterally closing down our main industry. Most infrastructre funding came from the EU. This is not to mention the long history in which Welsh natural resources were exploited without the profits ever returning to the country whose labour made it possible. In Canada they call this welfare colonialism. I suspect it happens because the English know that if Wales is allowed to develop an economy of our own we'll amost certainly try to leave, like the comparitively wealthier Scots. As for now, I think most Welsh people simply don't want to risk becoming even poorer.
Such watered down piece. Great job at making the brits feel a little bit bad but not bad enough
According to brits commenting here, there is no way they will ever feel bad about their history. I can only hope that the ones shouting on this thread are a small minority and that most of the british would accept that they have a shitty history.
@@dwyermckerr9482 asking kids in cork how they feel about the British empire should have travelled up north and asked some irish kids the same question.
I'm British but of Irish descent, now living in Ireland. I feel guilty even though I shouldn't
@@user-lx3oi6xy2e you definitely shouldn't and you can't fault the English either as they have been shielded from the truth for generations.
@@goadedmachine8448 well tbf they asked a bunch of college kids I'm sure they would've got the identical answer if they asked a college kid in Trinity or Queens. But if you went to the bogside they would be too radical and automatically turn the British viewers off. Even though this white washing attempt seems to have triggered enough of them anyway
I hope to see the day when Ireland will become whole again! Love from you're brothers in Scotland, and hopefully we'll regain our freedom very soon!
@MsMissy hahaha! One of your own doesn't want to be one of you. You idiot lol
@MsMissy😂😂 calling me a traitor when you're the one obsessed with your wee empire which has been dead for decades... go play with yourself to a pic of your queen. The old racist phill is down hopefully shes next!
Didn't u vote for ur so called freedom in 2014
Well seems like trans people will help that along sooner than we thought
@@anfearaerach tf does this have to do with trans people?
Really don't see why so many English are getting pressed in the comments. This isn't about creating divides or 'trying to play the victim' like some people are suggesting. No one is trying to make the english public of this era feel bad for what their ancestors did. But you should be taught about what they did, so you have a better understanding of the where the former colonies viewpoints are coming from. If Germany still had statues of Nazis or Hitler all over the country and the public there were never taught about their atrocities and so framed him/them as heroes - you would be disgusted (or at least you should be!) ; it's the same with your education overlooking english colonisers and the oppression they created. Without learning about previous mistakes, they are destined to reoccur. It's a very simple concept: if you really believe you shouldn't feel guilty about what your ancestors did then you shouldn't have a problem learning about and comdemning it. If you do feel on the defensive, that says more about you than anyone else.
At what point in history would you like the blaming and shaming to stop? Asking for an ancestor .
Jon Sid - Thats like asking at what point in history would you like to start pretending that the Holocaust never happened? It's history, it happened, you don't have to feel bad about it but you SHOULD learn about it. Baffled that that's so difficult for you to grasp. Also don't ask a question, rhetorical or otherwise, and then turn off replies to your comment, that's pathetic.
Fergus lies that we were never slaves he is rewriting history
How is there a BLM movement in Ireland that has to be a joke
We were and our a blessed people and England tried time and time again to destroy us as we are a beautiful country filled with loving people
So is England, it’s the English government you’re talking about. Make sure you don’t forget the distinction between the two
Because you Irish didn't start it.
Look at St Patrick.
Al - if you judge people based on RUclips comments you will spend your whole life thinking the worst of everyone and everything. On the internet the most inflammatory always rises to the top. I hope you’ll keep an open mind, I find it really sad when people condemn entire nations based on the decision of a few. The average person for the most part is just trying to live their lives
Rancid Ghoul They literally already attempted to, multiple times throughout history
Ur referring to the British/ English government, there’s a difference between the government and the average citizen....
It’s not the only the past when a part of the Irish country is still annexed by this so called union of British Isles, it sickening to think that the only real reason for the annex of Northern Ireland today is purely economic.
If it wasn’t this way, England would cut ties with trade deals and try to make Ireland’s future difficult.
It’s sad, and dispiriting, as a Cornish boy myself that this is how the British government works, capitalism first....welfare and rights last. Shame on England and Englishness.
I was once a proud English boy watching England play football in 1996, however when I grow up and actually learnt our history I realized that Englishness is nothing but double standards, backwards policy’s and horrible history, the people that still adopt their pride turn on the blinkers.
The Irish have every right to be angry, anger is an energy. To my Beautiful Irish friends, may all your roads come to meet you, it’s the least you deserve.
English folk it’s time to face the past and grow. Perhaps we too can have half of the humility and respect as our Irish neighbors, who despite how little they should respect and tolerate us bunch of hypocrites and madman, have acted only towards peace from the beginning. Remember they resisted us for a reason, fear, mistreatment, genocide, theft, religious discrimination, an attempt to abolish the Gaelic Language and a whitewashing of colonial history to name but only a few. I’m embarrassed to be British.
Well said mate I will never forgive what happened to us Irish it was not a famine
It was genocide our Gaelic culture and language .our land the tried to turn uz Protestant we would not so the starved over 2 million
N.I. is not annexed for purely economic reasons, wtf are you talking about? Northern Ireland costs the UK more than it makes!
@@keithkeegan2956 what do u think of English ppl? Do you genuinely hate them or the British government the elites who run the place?
Wont be long now till the license fee is decriminalised, good luck BBC 🤣🤣🤣
‘They considered them to be a different species of humanity’
Some of my ancestors are from Munster. I have no English ancestry. I used to be angry at the British for what they did to my ancestors. Now I know the truth. It was not the cockneys who did it. It wasn't the common Brit. It was the politicians, the lord's, the monarchy, the elites - these will have their day of judgement for they were cruel to their own people too. Many a political prisoner or poor man of British citizenry were sent n prison ships to Australia, Tasmania and elsewhere because of the greedy and power hungry. Think on that.
However there's a Massive chunk of "common Brits" who of their own volition committed atrocities in Ireland just because the opportunity arose.
i stopped eating lucky charms because of this.
Keep it going BBC, you are making defunding the licence fee that much easier.
In Mongolia there's a huge statue of Ghengis Khan I wouldn't mind seeing, he conquered most of Asia and Eastern Europe and once built a pyramid of skulls after slaughtering the cities inhabitants. All of Italy there's statues of Ceaser who did a pretty decent job of subjugation my ancestors and they're pretty cool to see. People do horrible shit when they conquer other lands but that's just how history is and it's interesting to learn from these figures and how they achieved their goals.
@Anthony Burke When are the BBC going to do a segment on the evils of Islam?
@Anthony Burke Just trying to be equal Anthony. If we're now in the business of historical condemnation then i can't wait for Islam and Communism to get their hit-pieces.
Well I have to thank the BLM moment for bringing attention to this, at least it's getting attention very few understand or know Ireland's history. Other former colonies talk about this past in Ireland it's ignored even though Ireland was the blue print for other colonies particularly America . I don't look at this in any light myself it's just history.
BLM do not deserve thanks for anything. An openly Marxist organisation that is anti family which will have a further impact of the families of those they supposedly represent. They have burned, rioted and killed (between 20 - 30) since George Floyd. They want to defund the police and openly attack them ("pigs in blankets fry them like bacon") while the black communities (US) need more police not less. They are a horrible movement.
Ireland was the labatory of empire.
@@whitiemarsh3671 what do you think of the IRA? IV? ICA? The rising? The war for independence?
@@felixjconvery why do you ask?
But the Irish aren't even black, though-they're white.
It's not the past, it's the present. Britain still occupies part of Ireland.
and?
As if the BBC were ever goin to give a decent piece on anything that happened here
Also a whole village was taken by North African pirates, they were enslaved in Algeria
Asmoh The Algerians did their shit too..
Baltimore in west Cork.
@Jerry O Sullivan Not that many. The Arab slavers castrated all male slaves. Only around 1 in 10 survived the "opperation".
@@tadghsmith1457 they had the right idea
Churchill was evil
Yes
Churchill was a half-Yankee privileged prick. His mother's family weren't only Dutch Knickerbockers but French Huguenots, if you care to go back far enough. And it's not a matter of "Being born in a stable doesn't make one an ass," as a Duke of Devonshire would have us believe; it's far worse.
One world, Ulster...
Why are people bringing up stuff we've known already. Also, why are they trying to make out like Britain was the sole 'evil empire' of the time, that's just what this period in history was like.
@Emily Cuthbertson Some pretty huge sweeping generalisations you just made there. You sound like a bigot, but let's forget all of that. Scotland wouldn't be allowed to join the EU if they became independent from the UK. First of all, the moment you became independent you would be in a debt so massive that you could never pay it back due to the small population and lack of trading potential. Scotland would have to take its share of the UK's debt in the divorce deal. Second, Spain and other nations in the EU would veto Scotland joining because it might give provinces like Barcelona and Catalonia ideas that they too can become independent and join the EU.
@Emily Cuthbertson I'm not reading your walls of text, try to make your point with less words. Oil is becoming as worthless as coal as the world moves to renewable energy. Plus, much of that oil money was being used to subsidise free tuition, free prescriptions and the NHS - things that benefitted the people of Scotland. I think it's extremely unhealthy to harbour such extreme levels of irrational hatred. I think you'd benefit from chilling out a little. I think you'd be happier.
@Emily Cuthbertson try to summarise your points, its a youtube comments section not an essay writing section!
@@shanemoss1212 the days of colonialism are long gone. What is this covering up you talk about?
@Emily Cuthbertson ok so youre reply is still really long so I'll just reply to one bit I seen. You speak about talking 'facts' but all you do is state things with no evidence. You say Scottish independence will create more jobs, ok how? Also, the difference in wages in London compared to most places will be huge, London is one of the financial capitals of the world.
The Irish in the West Indies did have their roots taken from them
Sadly most of the Irish diaspora lost their roots when they left Ireland and adopted colonialist values.
But I have to give the BBC credit for still allowing comments on their RUclips channel. How long that will last I don't knw -- unusual for a Bolshevik like organization.
@Justa Computa this is true. The one they did about Churchill "Hero or Villain".
You can't say anything against the special rainbow people.
@Ford Prefect you can't be free thinking if you're misinformed about your past. I'm sure I was more aware of Britain's past at the age of 7 than you are now.
Plenty of children were enslaved in mines and in Yorkshire 20 odd children drowned in a mine in 1834.Little 8 year old kids put into the dark mine in Yorkshire.
manboobs ‘history’ your history includes r*pe, murder, enslavement, war and the utter destruction of multiple countries economy, population and culture. shut up
@manboobs What are you talking about? They're raising awareness of the real British history. I'm British and never knew any of this they're telling us. In highschool I was never taught anything bad about England ever. According to our history teachers England was the best country that never did anything wrong. I learned the REAL England history from documentary channels. Jesus they have one of the worst histories in the world.
id try make a list of all the cultures and land of indigenous people the english destroyed, and invaded but we’d be here all day
My gran came over hear from ireland in 1944, she was treated like shit, a lot of the pubs and shops had signs in the window saying no blacks or Irish.
Gary Part ‘no Blacks, no dogs, no Irish’
Remember the past but move to the future. Preserve the culture and restore the knowledge. I’m half Irish living on the US but my family has been here for over 150 years.
Why would anyone pay £160 a year to an organisation to tell them incessantly how evil they are?
Get the history books out kid, truth hurts.
benbow7 , because it’s the truth you idiot!
@@sarahashun1180 yes but its constantly regurgitated. The vast majority of Brits know how bad we used to be and the awful shit we did. BBC here is taking the opportunity to throw some more politically biased crap at us that we have to pay for!
@@sarahashun1180 do you think we are evil then?
Let us be a United Ireland again, a nation once again,
Honestly, didn't they pick the most accomodating Irish people for a response? There's no way they speak for the broad population, and the BBC would get a very different response if they had the honesty to ask more than a college professor and a handful of his students. This is an absolutely disingenuous hand-wringing, or hand washing, exercise.
The most English part of Ireland is not Munster or Ulster ; it's still the Four Obedient Counties, otherwise known as the Pale. Dublin, Meath, Kildare, Wicklow. with Dublin chief among the obsequious bootlickers. Don't try to tell me Varadkar and Harris and their like represent the people of Ireland.
Love how they speak about munster but not the north. This video is a joke
But that's the BBC all over. It seems to be pro unionist yet sucks up to the free state
Absolutely. It's like we're located on the moon.
And only Munster , like he coulda done a whole peice on the south and a lot of the atrocities,
For example he says thousands died in the famine “in Munster” is that hiding the hundreds maybe million or so that died everywhere else ?
Fragen über Fragen or the Irish slave trade to the Caribbean, so many irish went there and died of heat exhaustion that there’s is an island called New Ireland
It's easy to make yourself as a British nation look good in a country that's had several generations grow up as free people.
Yes go and these questions in the North, I would bet your questions would have totally different answers.
Stop comparing apples to oranges
I must say that the anti Irish sentiment from many English people in the comment section is very upsetting. What’s even more upsetting is seeing Scottish and Welsh people taking the side of the Irish due to their own similar experiences and being shouted down by their fellow English ‘countrymen’ too
Its just typical english behavior fella nothing strange about it but dont worry the lads from the north, scotland and wales'll show em what there made of soon enough
Wales and especially Scottush land was very much involved in the crimes in Ireland, willing side kicks of england.
@@MrSchizoid405 you can’t generalise like that. They suffered in their own way too, and nowadays the SNP and Plaid Cymru , amongst other parties and their supporters look to Ireland for their inspiration
@@MrSchizoid405 spot on the Scots took pleasure in the colonisation of Ireland and are descendants of the planters up north plus there are also many anti Irish welsh I’ve experienced it myself the west coast of Scotland is anti Irish and also parts of Wales many welsh men in the British army have a negative view of the Irish so the assumption the welsh and Scots are all our kin and kith is rubbish
Plus the assumption the welsh and Scots know all about our history etc is also a myth I’ve met many welsh and Scots who know little of Irish history and there own role in colonialism
1.2 billion Indians are still waiting for Britain's recognition of jalian wala Bagh massacre
It's a shame that Ireland is still divided and never fully decolonized.
Now do a series on the history of authoritarianism and marxism, the damage they did to humanity far exceeds that of the british empire and colonialism
I'm Irish and I totally agree with this. I remember my history and our relationship with England, but we moved on. There's nothing wrong with remembering the atrocities of the past, the difference is that I don't want to burn England down.
BLM has always been about vengeance.
Does the crimes of others lessen the crimes of your own history? Are you really that ignorant? Are you really that frightened?
dwyer mc kerr 'my own history' starts in 1998 when I was born darling. I'll call out left wing anti british bias on the BBC and the crimes of the British Empire as well. The thing is that nobody in britain wants to repeat the crimes of the british empire, but every socialist wants to keep repeating the crimes of socialism.
Its good that the English are starting to take account of some of the history between the two countries. A lot I've met have very limited or distorted knowledge on events. Germans get reminded from birth of what their ancestors did wrong and its seemed to have made them very humble. Maybe applying the same logic to the English would help them grow as a nation and stop living in the past
@The Celtic Lass no guilt needed, they just need to understand their own history. If you have a problem with my view I honestly could not care less.
@The Celtic Lass TIL the English are a race
@The Celtic Lass yep, the same ethnicity as myself. I am who ever you think I am.
The BBC seeking depth understandings- now this is news worthy of attention. Beautifully shot, in all fairness and a good move to some extent to British self-reflection and understanding. Good job, who ever reported this, a good beginning for reconciliation and drawing people to thinking.
A lot of us English have Irish ancestors. People who came here in the mid nineteenth century on over. We do sympathise.
The Irish have been emigrating to England for much longer than that. Even before England existed there was Irish there. St aidan of lindisfarne for example or dozens of other important priests to English kings were all Irish and converted the English to Christianity and taught them how to read and write.
Yes sorry I forgot about Celtic Christianity and of course all the intermarriage between Northumbrian and Irish nobility.
@@suepem True the English monarchy all has Irish ancestry from Aoife macmurrough and strong bows marriage.
My grandmother was Irish.
To my understanding irish were made slaves in the Caribbean, that's a historical inaccurate reporter!?
@Anthony Burke nobody ever got sold or press ganged?, grew up with similar stories of my ancestors being looked down upon and treated worse than the black slaves in many cases. Anyhow your description sounds a like slavery conditions to me
@Anthony Burke irish people were sent to the Caribbean as slaves to work in the sugar plantations
@Anthony Burke they did go as slaves. I read it in the slave museum
@Anthony Burke you would want to inform French museum's because they have that the French sent many Africans and Irish to the Caribbean as slaves - maybe you should inform the French they were not sending Irish slaves?? But it is what i read in their museum's on how the French decided to portray their participation on the slave trade. On the contrary the Irish might argue they were the ones sending Africans to the Caribbean as slaves and making a profit. Either way it is history which should not be repeated but people are still taken advantage for business profits around the world today. Look at Dubai and Indians who build it and their poor working conditions
@Emily Cuthbertson bore off. Posting your copy-paste SNP drivel under every comment.
This report is about Ireland. Piss off and take your anti English propaganda with you.
Down with this brutal empire!!!..... Oh wait
Very little detail is given here about this period 1580s in Munster and Ireland . It's very short clip , so much more was going on .
When are you going to start sending your goons round to harass the over 75's for not paying your TV tax bbc? 🤔
@Halima Umar Isa me neither 😉 but I feel sorry for the old dears being intimidated by these thugs, remember, we'll all be old one day.
@Jerry O Sullivan probably, its the only thing the loony left have in their brainwashing armoury.
Oh please just stop this nonsense. I am sick and tired of people whinging.
You will never get the irony.
Well said!
No, these conversations make you uncomfortable. That's why you are sick and tired.
There is no future in the past .As an Irish man yes I feel angry about what happened in the past but should we hold on to this hate and pass it on to younger generations? What's gone is gone ,different time ,different set of rules and values.
Why blame the current generation of young people? What is past is past ,leave it there and then build something new.
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@Owen Sheridan I didnt see nothing about the EU in this 😂
@Owen Sheridan I was talking about Ireland ,no mention of Europe there Owen.
I am not a fan of how the EU is working but power in numbers as they say, it's the only way to keep the wolves from the door(China).
Spot on I don’t hate English ppl and I’m Irish many of my family in the past have lived in England and get on well with English ppl it’s the government the elite we all dislike and have issues with not the individuals because if we were enemies we couldn’t travel there, or trade with them or have anything to do with them whatsoever , what happened to our own ppl was terrible but hating someone or somewhere for the rest of our lives won’t solve it educating and understanding will do it won’t be easy and will certainly take time but hopefully in future years it will certainly help all of us
A template of British history was introduced in our first history lesson at secondary with this poem.
The Scottish were the Irish,
The Irish were the Scots,
The Welsh were the English,
The English were the Sassanachs. (foreigners.)
Stfu the Scots weren't irish
We will never heal from what those colonial monsters did to us. Níl aon tír gan teanga.