Which Midlayer Should You Choose?
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- Опубликовано: 25 июн 2024
- The key to all-round comfort while out and about is a good baselayer, midlayer and finally your outerlayer. A midlayer determines your overall warmth more than any other layer and comes in many different variations to suit your surroundings.
In this video we online the three main midlayer types, which are best for which activities and what the benefits and negatives of each one are.
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We're aware the layers in this video aren't available anymore, but we do have plenty of other options in the same categories!
Fleece: www.trekitt.co.uk/clothing/jackets/fleece-jackets/male
Synthetic: www.trekitt.co.uk/clothing/jackets/synthetically-filled-jackets/male
Down: www.trekitt.co.uk/clothing/jackets/down-filled-jackets/male
Great speaking skills. 4 trims during 14 min video, no prompter apparently. I’m impressed.
We call him 'one-take Paul' for a reason!
Awesome video. Answered a lot of questions for someone like me who's still learning the pros and cons of each type of mid layer. I subscribed and look forward to looking at more of your content.
Thank you for the advice. For a beginner like me clothing is a mine field. You have made it much clearer for me.
Very good information. Also love the dog having a great roll in the pasture behind you!
...don't think it was pasture...........:(
For mid layer my go to is wool. The reason is that wool, be it sheep or alpaca is a natural fiber and has the ability to insolate when wet. Wool can absorb can be 30% of its weight before they feel wet and before their insolation value goes down. Natural fibers have thermal range. they keep you cool when it is hot and keep you warm when it is cold. Unlike man made fibers that have only one temperature. that is determined by thickness. Wool also has the property of vaporizing moisture as it moves way from the skin. After a day's bike ride at -16 C I will be dry and warm with my base layer Fishnet top, alpaca sweater or tight weave pullover wool shirt and a good wind jacket and head covering. When I finish I put my down jacket or over the top of my wind jacket. My closet has sheep wool, alpaca fleece and every down garments in every loft from shirts to polar parka. At 80 I still like a good day or better weeks under the stares. Over the years I used them on solo trips as well as a wilderness guide.
Good video..I still prefer fleece, mainly because of durability. Have used a fairly expensive primaloft mid-layer recently but it got a tear on the outer fabric after I tripped and fell into a bush. On the other hand, have been wearing a ten year old fleece jacket, which I’ve abused daily through winter, and its still going strong.
I love your vids And I like the way you present info. Subscribed.
Only just discovered Trekkit product videos. Got to be the best out there. Brilliantly detailed and described and presented perfectly. You guys are doing an amazing job.
Think I'll buy one of your water bottles now😂😂
Hi David, thanks for your kind comments! Paul.
Thank you: very informative and appreciated !
Excellent, well thought through and informative video
Very well done. Another very informative video.
I've had a north face Denali fleece I bought in 08. Still works and looks flawless. It's a tough fleece
Just got the cerium sl. My first puffy and I love it.
Fantastic video and guide. Will you be posting a video on what outerlayer/shell we should choose?
ruclips.net/video/-nTR8v21dNQ/видео.html Here you go!
Watching this while waiting for my Proton LT
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Good review. Agree on the Atom LT, everyone should own one.
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+1. I was lucky enough to get one of the pullover Atom LTs... No hood, but as a layering piece when it gets really chilly, i like how it can slide between fleeces or other insulation layers or under fleece-lined soft shells. It defeats the good old fleece-on-fleece friction issue. And the underarm panels of Ptec PS... 👍🏿
Great advice
Totally agree about the Atom LT. Genuinely one the greatest pieces of outdoor kit ever. Ironically it’s actually a better fit for our climate than the environment it was designed for - winter climbing in the Canadian Rockies. As you say - it’s a hugely versatile option for the humid UK hills. I wear mine literally everywhere.
You and me both Dominic. the Atom is the perfect UK jacket. Paul
Very useful, thank you!
You're very welcome, thanks for watching.
Very informative video. Would you recommend ever using overshirts as a proper midlayer?
Great videos, very helpful
Glad to hear it!
A light fleece for me anyway as a mid layer . Those synthetic windproof mid layers are hopeless on fast ascents as they heat you up too much . Too many gimmicks out there .For hiking it’s a base layer . Fleece . Hard shell for me with a spare down jacket in my bag for breaks should I need it . Simple . Effective and proved . Beware the gimmicks
Ooh, it depends. Many manufacturers produce super-breathable synthetically-insulated midlayers that are specifically designed to be *almost* as breathable as a fleece but with superior weather resistance if you fancy using it as an outer. They're just a bit more versatile. But you're right, a good fleece works really well as a midlayer and is hard to replace. Harry
Very useful video
awesome info
Paramo enduro fleece for me. Topped with enduro wind proof jacket for the bad weather
That doggo in the background...lol
Thanks for the info. A few tricks missed here - a wind shirt on top of a standard fleece weighs almost nothing but boosts up a standard 100 or 200 Polar tec fleece to make a very versatile combo (very very breathable but not in the least waterproof). Buffalo make a wonderful Pile & Pertex series of synthetic jackets which are super warm even when wet - Buffalo jackets are worn by half the Game Keepers of Scotland as their main winter wear - so that ought to tell you something about actual performance in the real world! I have the Buffalo Six Special as my winter jacket and a Buffalo Wind Shirt as my summer every day carry warmth booster.
@ Steve Wright thanks for the tip. I purchased a fleece mid layer and didn’t realize if it windy the wind will penetrate fleece. Maybe a packable windbreaker will do the trick.
Steve do you possibly have a website for the Buffalo jackets?
Informative video, as always, Paul. I've tried to crack the conventional 3 layer system for years and simply can't get on with it. Too much faff exchanging/removing /replacing layers. I've mostly ended up using a two-layer, all-day approach, with over-layering as required. A merino mesh base, comfy and quick drying and, depending on anticipated weather, my Mountain Equipment Frontier Jacket if precipitation is likely to be only light/sporadic, Paramo if it's sure to be wet. The Frontier is lightly lofted on it's inner face and fairly air-permeable but still weather resistant, which works better for me than the fleecy-liner/wind shell type jackets such as Vapour-rise, ME Kinesis etc. which get too hot for me once they start to warm up unless it's below freezing. Similarly, I find fleece a bit of a fug-trap and just uncomfortable and clammy. It's too bulky in the bag for the warmth it provides and then we're back to the midlayer shuffle again - not for me, thanks. Fleece lasts forever, but shedding during washing means it's also environmental waste forever. Over-layering when I need additional insulation works best for me. I'm still using my 8 year old Rab Xenon I for static warmth - needs replacing though, as it's lost a bit of loft now. The Paramo jacket I've settled on is the Velez, which has Paramo's mesh liner, which is effectively a midlayer, and works well with my wool mesh base layers. I've found this mesh liner to be significantly better at moisture transport and temperature regulation than the fuzzy liners, such as Alpha, Bemburg (Vapour-rise) and Octoyarn (ME). When less extra insulation is needed but I still want to bolster the Paramo or the Frontier I'll slip a Paramo Enduro wind-proof jacket over them instead. In this scenario the Frontier/Velez is my midlayer.
2023 edit. This winter I've been adding in another woolmesh base layer over my first base layer in cold weather. Principle jacket remains my Velez with either my Páramo Enduro windshirt over it whilst active or my venerable Rab Xenon when stationary, as required. The Enduro can replace the Velez if it's less wet/cold, and has largely ousted my ME Frontier from my system. Legwear is generally Páramo Cascada II's, modified to take braces, with woolmesh (all worn out) or polypropylene mesh (cheaper, more durable) leggings if required. Montane Terra Mission trousers are pretty good if the Cascadas aren't needed. There's clearly the potential for faff if swapping out layers becomes necessary but still much less than conventional layering systems, and I can quite often go a whole day only having to adjust the venting options on the Velez/ Cascadas.
Great video! For someone who sweats a lot would you suggest a breathable lightweight fleece like the patagonia r1 or a breathable synthetic like the proton lt(considering the vest version as well)? Thank you very much in advance!
Useful introductory guide to mid-layers. Be interested to see where something like Rab's Alpha Direct jacket(which I'm a fan of), utilising water & wind resistant PerTex Quantum shell and PolarTec Alpha Direct wicking fleece lining, would be placed based on warmth-to-weight in comparison with the mid-layers in this review? Appreciate your efforts. Regards
My favorite midlayer is my 100wt usmc fleece pullover.
Not too warm for 15C, which is as cold as it gets where I tend to use it. i'm looking to replace ot with a hoodie, though as I want something that has better torso ventilation.
I also have the 300wt fleece shirt. It's excellent on its own for the lowest temps here.
I used to have a synthetic puffy, but it was way too bulky and too fucking hot even for 0C. And it took days to dry.
Finally I'm getting answers. I actually own a marmot synthetic down so that's good!
Glad to be of service.
Hi, very nice video, very clear and informative. I used to be a north face guy and I own a lot of their stuff, but I cannot rely on them being waterproof. So I’m looking for a change. I’m no hiker or mountain climber but I enjoy walking outside and I walk to work in all types of weather. My gear at the moment is merino wool base layers (long sleeve top and long johns) north face goretex skin leggings, north face down700 jacket and a north face shell that was recently stolen. Can someone please recommend the correct type of gear I should be using to stay dry and be able to breathe in any weather for someone who is not very active outside just mostly walking the dogs or walking to and from work? Cheers
Useful advice thanks, personally gone back to wool, seems to work better for me mostly coming of lower fitness levels, generating more moisture, particularly in wetter weather. It works much better under waterproofs than fleece (only good for shopping or pub) doesn't end up in dolphins unlike polyester.
That's fair enough. I use wool religiously as a baselayer and find it's the best option for me as well. Harry
I tend to carry both a fleece and a down puffy. Fleece is to sleep in something dry and clean at night. The fleece will keep me slightly warmer, keep my bag cleaner, and is an extra layer that is better to hike in than the down. The down is my quick stop or evening insulation piece for most warmth possible.
Fleece and Down is what I take backpacking, but for everyday use I go for a synthetic (specifically atom LT) for the cheaper cost than down, light weight, and some warmth when wet to get me home those last few minutes.
Sounds like you've got it nailed there. We all do the same, Atom LT for daily use, a down jacket while layering in the cold and a fleece for indoor, sleeping and everything else. In an ideal world everyone would have all three of these options!
ducks and geese don't come cheap! there is rock'n roll in there , well done sir
great video, helped me understand the differences between synthetic and natural down more. going to be moving to Golden in 2 weeks and currently have some UA coldgear tights, patagonia guide pants (2010 model, lighter weight non softshell) and a 3/1 pat windspeed jacket. it's nice because the down jacket it comes with is 150g synthetic, just in case I have a duck down jacket actually from tommy hillfiguer, not durable at all but it's so warm and light. then I have an underarmour fleece and base t incase it's super cold, hoping that I can get good trail time without freezing!
for any gearheads interested I'm also going to be wearing saloman x ultra 3 gtx, outdoor research PL150 gloves and an ATX belt and rho beanie.
Thanks for watching.
Wow impressive, clearly explained, clarifying some issues I had, learned something today, great job Paul, could have used something on the microphone to choked the wind hard sometimes to understand you, English not being my first language I must have listened to your video at least 10 times to pick up everything you said and mention. Otherwise nice video, I like Murphy! I live in North America so not easy to get the brand name you mention. like Rab, etc....
We've since invested in some better microphones, so the wind noise should be all sorted! Kind regards, Harry.
Another factor to think about of the Atom LT vs fleece (synthetic):
Atom LT - the outer DWR fabric is separate from the insulating filler underneath. Having tried the Atom LT in the shops, I don't know how durable the outer fabric would be to with stand wear when used with a back pack, with the straps and buckles that would rub and pinch against it, this outer fabric feels very thin and delicate.
You'd be surprised how tough the Atom LT actually is. Pretty much everyone at Trekitt has one and the only thing that has ripped one so far was falling off a bike onto gravel. The outer fabric is made entirely from Nylon, so it is far tougher than it initially feels. Regards, Harry.
Personally I'd prefer fleece over current synthetic filled offerings from Arc'teryx, far easier to look after (easy to wash and dries quick, crucial for a week long trek) and durable. Not a fan of the new Polartec Kyanite though, it is far too stretchy, its predecessor Arenite (6% elastane) is far better, holds its shape like new after almost 2 years and feels just as warm if not warmer.
Awesome video! I was at our local outdoor shop yesterday and I tried on a Arcteryx Atom and a Patagonia Down Sweater Hoody. The lady in the shop gave me a lots of information on both of the jackets. Regarding prices they are both around 300 Swiss francs. In feel and look I really like both. Main intended you for the jackets would be all around meaning for cycling, trekking, hiking, skiing but also mainly everyday use in general. Which one would you recommend? Thank you in advance!
Atom!
Thanks for the clear video. Out of interest, how would the icebreaker merinoloft mid layers compare? (Besides the incredible cost)
We have stocked MerinoLoft garments before, however they were a little too heavy compared with synthetic and down counterparts, weren't as breathable as fleeces and costed 4 x the price. They are exceptionally warm if moving slowly, but as soon as you begin to move more quickly they aren't as advanced.
hi interesting video, I would agree that this is very informative. I am curious though whether the down jacket would be affected by hiking in a very damp humid environment accepting that a waterproof shell was worn over the top?
An un-treated down jacket may suffer over prolonged periods of time in excessively humid environments, but with a treated hydrophobic option such as the Rab Microlight or Montane Featherlite you should be fine.
Great vid! Which of the options is the best from an environmental standpoint? I'm guessing short term down is the worst but if you can use it for a really long time it would be the best?
Hi, thanks for watching and for your comments. Since that video was made many brands have produced ethical and sustainable products with recycled materials etc. Have a look at the new Microlight Alpine from Rab www.trekitt.co.uk/40544/products/rab-mens-microlight-alpine-jacket-beluga.aspx
Also, the mantra of "buy once and buy well" reduces landfill and encourages a longer product lifespan and quality over quantity. Paul.
I've got the Atom LT hoodie and absolutely love it. I'd like a recommendation on which outer layer to go with it. What are your preferred hard/soft shells? I'd like to stick to Arc'Teryx.
Funny you should mention that, we filmed that video two hours ago! It'll be done by tomorrow evening. Regards, Harry.
I never where a hardshell,i have a atom lt and by bad weather conditions i where a fjallraven singi jacket over it
Arc’teryx MX lt is my go to soft shell or for extended rainy conditions I’ll grow on a Arc’teryx beta lt.
If your outerlayer fails and water gets in, what do you want as your next layer of protection, fleece, down or softshell. I prefer softshell. Great videos, you cant have too much info when it comes to keeping warm and dry!
Hi, your layering will be dictated by the environment and the weather. If your hardshell fails when it's warm and wet, you may just have a baselayer underneath. If it's freezing and windy you may have an insulating layer underneath, etc. etc. Softshell works really well as a stand-alone outer or as a mid-layer, but as I said, it's all about what you are doing, where you are doing it and what the weather is like. My experience has taught me to keep my layers light and versatile. Paul.
The dog rules 😂😂😂
I love fleece
For multi-day trips where you're going to experience a wide range of conditions, 3 layers is pushing it. A more typical approach would be:
1) Base layer
2) Lightweight, breathable mid-layer for active wear
3) For static warmth in wet cold and active wear under a shell in severe weather - a thin synthetic insulated jacket, or purely for camp wear, a down puffy
4) A hard shell for rain and snow
5) Optionally, a very light wind shirt. Using this as an active shell when it's cold, windy but dry will be more comfortable than a hard shell. It will also reduce wear on the hard shell, which will prolong its life or give you the option of using an ultralight hard shell supplemented by the wind shirt underneath.
hello mate great video.. seen a couple of layering vids mostly of you but got 1 question I can't find answer too.. if it was getting really cold while camping would it be smart to wear a fleece under the likes of the insulation jacket or would it not for some reason ? thanks in advance and thanks for info in vids !
Hi Tony, any additional layers that you stick on under an insulating jacket will help to increase warmth. Thanks for watching. Paul.
@@trekitt So base layer, fleece, insulated then water proof shell Ile go with.. thanks for taking time to reply years after thr video.. appreciate it.. hope all is well
Very interesting. What are the differences in terms of breathability between these 3 options?
In this particular video, the fleece would be the most breathable and the two other options would be very closely matched.
An advantage of fleece you neglected to mention: I'd be willing to wager that the fleece jacket is much, much more durable than either the synthetic or the down jackets. Maybe the durability wouldn't get tested if you were just walking through an open field and nothing ever touched the jacket, but if you're scrambling up rock or walking through a forest it would.
Fair point, however, the synthetic jacket is tougher than it looks. I've pretty much hammered my Atom LT, climbing, cycling, hiking etc and it's still going strong after many years. Thanks for watching. Paul.
Got an arcteryx atom lt hoody in L but eventhough this is definitely my size, its tailored to tight around the chest (im too wide due to work-outs :( ), also now that I had the chance to wear it, it feels not like keeping me really warm. Since you guys test a lot of jackets, which jacket could you suggest as an alternative for backpacking/trekking as mid-layer + camp-pauses + daily use in winter (i am usually not freezing quickly)? I think the jacket should be able to handle -5 degree celsius
Unfortunately no other brand that we stock besides possibly Haglofs would feature more room in the chest/shoulders. Arc'teryx have a particularly 'V' shaped fit (more room in the shoulders/chest/back), whereas a large amount of other brands that we stock are more of a tube shape (similar width all the way down). It's going to be a matter of compromising somewhere, whether that's having a little extra room lower down or tighter around the chest. Kind regards, Harry.
Hi from Chile.... wich fleece or second layer can you recommend me? I want a light fleece but regular cit, not so stretch. I was thinking in something like Montane Protium, Rab Nexus or Arcterix Kyanite.
Mi 185 cm, 46-48 chest and 100 kg (because this, regular fit jejeje).
Both the Protium and Nexus will be great options for you. You may find the Kyanite a little tight. Harry
Great video. Synthetic "down", also breaks down faster over time, losing some insulation ability, right? gets a bit compressed/flattened. Still works rather good even then though, apparently. But it makes me think twice about packing it as small as I can manage.
With natural down, the chilly wind can apparently get through the gaps between the down sections, where the stitching is (unlike synthetic versions). Not sure how big of an issue that is (not an issue if you have an outer layer shell of course). Also it's not vegan-friendly, of course. Something many people consider.
Thanks for your feedback, I'll try and answer all your questions.
Synthetic "down", also breaks down faster over time, losing some insulation ability, right? Yes, but less so now as modern materials improve. All insulation will deteriorate over time, even down. The biggest factor is how the product is stored.
The chilly wind can apparently get through the gaps between the down sections, where the stitching is (unlike synthetic versions). That all depends on the construction. Stitch through designs, down or synthetic, will let air through where the baffles are connected, stitched through. However, synthetic insulation in sheet form, such as the Arcteryx Atom LT, is far more wind resistant due to minimal stitching. The face fabric will also determine how wind-resistant/breathable a garment will be.
@@trekitt - That all seems to make good sense to me. 👌
I'm actually planning a trip to Iceland at some point (not as cold there as one might think, but it can be very windy, and it's still very cold for me).
I'm wondering if wearing a fleece mid layer, would be annoyingly grippy over the top of a merino wool base layer? I at least think I heard that wearing a fleece on a fleece is annoying since they stick together. Maybe Merino Wool is slippery, I dunno.
Also, if I used 2 mid-layers; instead of 2 fleeces, is it ideal to instead have 2 synthetic downs / 1 of each? (so they can slip around easier).
Going to Nepal and have bought thick merino midlayers for my partner and me. There were a few options from Icebreaker and Macpac. There is also cashmere and cashmere/merino midlayers available. Do you have an opinion on these natural fibre alternatives?
Personally I've only ever worn Merino wool for outdoor activities, so I wouldn't be able to comment on cashmere based on actual use. Merino wool does tend to be stronger and easier to care for than cashmere, plus it's quite a bit cheaper, but cashmere is warmer. We stock Icebreaker and have always found their baselayers some of the best available. Kind regards, Harry.
Hello! Planing some trekking in Nepal and im now not sure about the down jacket. I was looking into a high fill power jacket to keep me warm but i think i wont be able to trekk in that jacket cause i will get too warm but what i want to ask is if this down jackets can get their down wet from my sweat and loose the insulation properties or the sweat cant get it so wet? I was planing to buy a good polar/fleece too but im not sure about it either. I will bring couple of merino wool and some synthetic t-shirts, long sleeve merino shirt too. After seeing this video im thinking of loosing the polar/fleece cause im afraid it wont wind proof me if needed and instead of fleece to bring a lite and thin primaloft jacket that could go over the merino base layer, to keep me warm and to wind proof me and if raining or too windy to add a goretex or some membrane hard shell over it. Will be this enough for keep me warm when i reach passes over 5k meters and it gets cold? Im thinking to bring a 800 fill power down when im in the quest houses to keep me warm in there or when im not active and on the move. Whats your opinion on this? And what pants should i bring beside my tracking pants for up there at 4.5-5k meters? Are soft shell pant windproof enough to be good up there? Seen some soft shell pants that are lined with fleece too but im afraid those will be overkill while trekking. Thanks in advance for the help!
Firstly, let me say that layering is highly subjective - what works for one individual may not work for another. You will probably get quite warm trekking in a down jacket - instead, we recommend stuffing your down jacket in your pack and saving it for belay or lunch stops when you won't be moving very much. Instead, look at items of clothing that will help shed sweat (merino wool or Arcteryx Phase baselayers work well at this) and midlayers that are highly breathable (like the Mountain Equipment Switch Jacket or the Rab Alpha Flux jacket).
In regards to trousers, softshell work well in a wide range of conditions and altitudes - if you want to ensure you will be comfortable from the base of the mountain right up to 5000m, then possibly opt for a mid-weight pair of softshell trousers (like the Mountain Equipment Mission pants) and some base layers to wear under them at higher altitudes. Softshell is not waterproof though, so it's worth taking a pair of waterproof overtrousers just in case.
@@trekitt thank you so much for the reply and info!
What everyone forgets to mention is that fleece will stay at 100% capacity over time. Any synthetic fill will get less warm every time you compress it.
Good point. Fleece does last forever.
Just tried to look at the Arcterx on your website and it seems to be no longer available? What is its replacement model please?
This is the latest version of my old Atom LT, unfortunately that lovely red colour is no longer available - www.trekitt.co.uk/clothing/jackets/arcteryx-mens-atom-lt-hoody-ladon__42078
What's the trekitt take on the Paramo alternative to traditional layering? Seems to be the system of choice for pretty much all of the U.K. MRTS & a large proportion of guides
Also, not sure about fleece being least breathable - Patagonia R1 hoody will blow pretty much any synthetic or down jacket out of the water. Additionally, fleece is definitely the most durable and has the fewest issues if you were to snag and tear it during climbing. Finally it's the easiest to repair.
Hi Jonny. Paramo kit works really well, provided the wash and re-proof regime is maintained. It's lovely and quiet to wear and is soft and pliable. The fact that it can be easily and inexpensively repaired makes it perfect for MRT use where it gets a proper beating. I think the possible negatives are that it is bulkier and heavier than "normal" waterproofs and can be too hot for warmer conditions. But hey, is there such a thing as the "perfect" system? Thanks for watching. Paul.
How does this compare to the Arcteryx Fortrez hoodie? I currently own the Fortrez but have been considering the Atom LT.
The Fortrez is more focused on exceptional breathability when you're working hard and sweating heavily as it'll allow wind to pass through the outer fabric, whereas the Atom is more suitable when you require extra wind and water resistance during stop-start and slower moving activities. Kind regards, Harry.
NATHANIEL SLENKER bit off topic but Arc’Teryx doesn’t fit me so I went for a montane fireball
What do you think of the Patagonia Nano Puff? Would that be alright in a light shower of rain?
The Patagonia Nano Puff is a bit of a classic and works well as light insulating layer, just try and keep the rain off it! Thanks for watching. Paul.
I’d really REALLY like an Arcteryx Atom LT jacket, but the zip on the wrong side is a deal breaker for me - do you have any suggestions for something similar? TIA
I'm not sure what difference that would make. The jacket works amazingly well and in the many years that I've been using one I've never experienced any problems with the zip. However if you simply cannot live with the zip, have a look at these alternatives:
www.trekitt.co.uk/clothing/jackets/rab-mens-cirrus-flex-hoody-steel__35644
www.trekitt.co.uk/clothing/jackets/montane-mens-prism-jacket-black__38300
www.trekitt.co.uk/clothing/jackets/rab-mens-xenon-jacket-deep-ink__40686
www.trekitt.co.uk/clothing/jackets/haglofs-mens-spire-mimic-hood-true-black__40198
@@trekitt Thanks, I’ll take a look. Unfortunately, a zip pull on the ‘wrong’ side is a problem for me that spoils some great kit - it’s not just a matter of preference.
I know this was 2017 but why the continuum over the Arcteryx cerium lt? Price?
They're both stunning jackets, it just comes down to which one fits you best.
Could I wear a down jacket for my mid layer then a waterproof jacket over the top? Or would i get really hot in mountain climbing in Scotland
It depends on the thickness of your down jacket, the difficulty of your routes and the temperature of your surroundings. Theoretically you could wear the down jacket underneath, however if you get too hot and need to de-layer you won't be able to climb in the down jacket alone as it will be too lightweight and could rip. I would recommend using something like the Arc'teryx Atom LT or SL (link below) as your midlayer and your shell over the top; this way you can take the shell off and you'll still be able to climb in the Atom. Regards, Harry.
www.trekitt.co.uk/facetresults.aspx?Term=atom%20lt
www.trekitt.co.uk/facetresults.aspx?Term=atom%20sl
I have a Mountain Hardwear 800 Q Shield,very light packs down well.Also a Berghaus Paclite 2.0 Goretex and wear that on top. Just the job. When really cold wear a fleece with hood/buff polartec fleece from Aldi (Crevit) and also a base layer merino. It would be the Fleece I would take off when overheated. Hope this helps.
i would highly advise against that if you are mountain climbing. most waterproof jackets are not very breathable, especially Gore-tex-based ones. if you get sweaty from climbing, the down will get wet very quickly and you will have no insulation and get very cold...and down is very hard to dry out. i know from experience, but you can also find RUclips videos that test out Gore-tex...it simply is not very breathable at all. maybe one of the newer materials like eVent would be a little better but still, most truly waterproof materials breathe poorly and if you are like me and sweat quite a bit, down is usually a bad choice.
Climb in a baselayer, fleece with windproof, hardshell for crap weather in bag, down jacket as a belay jacket or other use when you stop etc. You will sweat your Tits off walking in a down
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Any thoughts on Arcteryx Atom Lt vs Arcteryx Proton Lt? Appreciate the feedback
The Atom is wind resistant, whereas the Proton is air permeable (wind resistant vs non-wind resistant, basically!). The proton will therefore be better suited to a midlayer which won't often be used as an outer layer, or when moving quickly and sweating a lot as the wind will be able to pass through. The Atom is a better option if you tend to use it as an outer layer as well as a midlayer as it will resist wind (excluding the side panels).
Trekitt Mountain Sports thanks, I appreciate the clarification you just don’t hear much about the Proton even tho it cost a little more.
A lot of us have used both and we tend to find the Atom more versatile; the Proton is a brilliant piece but it is very specific!
I have the Proton LT. I use it for skinning up in the back country - as outer layer, if not too windy. On the way down I usually wear a shell layer on top. I recently replaced my Alpha LT (Gore Tex PRO) with the Procline Jacket. The Proton LT (60gr) and the Procline is a very good combination. What I really value, for this intended use, is the air-permeability of both those garments. the Procline has much better permeability compared to the Alpha LT (even with pit-zips open). I am considering adding an even lighter piece to the kit like the Patagonia nano-air LIGHT Hoody (40gr).
The Proton is a superior mid-layer due to air permeability. It will be much better under a shell. The air permeability also means it is great for running and cycling in dry cold conditions. I have a proton LT hoody and it is simply the best on the market IMHO and I have tried a wide variety of synthetics / down insulators. Down insulators have the breathability of a plastic bag IMO and only wear them if I am static.
Hi, thank you for your video. I have a comment and it's just constructive criticism from a fan. It took over 2 min to start talking about the first idea of second layer. It's too long. When one's researching on the net, one goes through lots of these videos and the ones who go straight to the point are the ones we watch.
Hi Diana, thanks for the tips! We had considered this before putting the video together, however we're aiming to educate not only those who know the basic principles of layering already, but those who are completely new to the concept. The start may be a little slow if you are already familiar with the layering system, however for someone unfamiliar with it, we think it's a useful introduction as to why it is important. Kind regards.
Is there any reason to use Tech-wash for fleece or base layers?
Yes! Here's a good quote from Helly Hansen's website regarding baselayers: 'To wash base layers, do NOT use regular household laundry detergent. Technical fabrics should be washed with technical cleaners. Regular detergent merely masks odours, rather than removing them. Over time, use of regular detergent on performance fabrics significantly shortens the useful life a garment and can cause other malfunctions or fabric issues. Plus, standard laundry detergent leaves behind a film that tends to attract odour-causing bacteria, which leads to a steady increase of undesirable smell, over time."
@@trekitt thanks for answering!
Downside of sythetic insulation layers can be limited breathability, depending on the outer layer...
Synthetic insulation which is inserted into the jacket in sheets will suffer in terms of breathability, but others which are inserted in clusters are very similar to down.
@@trekitt This is very interesting. Could you explain further, I didn't understand the concept of "clusters".
@@thibaudrebour1842 Synthetic insulation in clusters will look and feel a lot like down (there are hundreds of little pieces) whereas in a sheet it looks more like loft insulation. Clusters typically aren't quite as warm as air can escape through the small gaps, but consequently it's more breathable.
What color is the Atom LT in the video?
Sangria. www.trekitt.co.uk/33876/products/arcteryx-mens-atom-lt-hoody-sangria.aspx
Not lovin the Sangria color. Prefer the black.
Unfortunately black doesn't show up very well on camera!
How can be synthetic more breatheable than fleece? Isn't fleece the most breatheable?
Hi Pavol, I agree, in most cases fleece will be more breathable than synthetic as wind can pass through the fibres to cool you down. There are exceptions, but generally if you're not looking for something as versatile as a synthetically insulated jacket, fleece still has a place. Kind regards, Harry.
What about buffalo special 6
We don't stock any Buffalo products I'm afraid.
I see you’re a tall guy like myself because the sleeves look a bit short. What brands have tall sizes.
Haglofs, Mountain Equipment and Fjallraven all have products with long lengths. Not all products are especially long, so if you can, pop in and try a load of different pieces on. Harry
down is cozier, but synthetic warms up faster
Maybe so, it all depends on the type of synthetic filling. Paul.
Nice video, but seriously you need to get a muffler for your mic so difficult to hear you.
We've since upgraded our microphones, if you watch one of our latest videos the sound should be spot on. Kind regards, Harry.
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@@DavidSmith-ww1uy Nah.
Nice informative video, but not totally honest on pack size of that down jacket, i have an Expedition rated down jacket and that packs down less half of what size you're showing for that lightweight down jacket (that jacket when really packed down would be more like 6x6 inches?)
Fair comment, but we're not massive fans of compressing down garments to their minimum, unless of course packing restrictions apply. Thanks for watching.
Rab with hoodie or without hoodie ?
Hooded: Little extra warmth, looks more casual, nice under a hardshell hood
Non-hooded: Layers better, bit cheaper
Synthetics are absolutely heaviest ....balances out the clear advantages but fleece and down are much lighter .....atleast at comparable price tiers I've found
Modern "blown" synthetics are getting much closer to the weight and performance of natural down, especially the ones like Haglof's Mimic Ultracluster Platinium, found in the new LIM Mimic Hoody - www.trekitt.co.uk/clothing/jackets/haglofs-mens-lim-mimic-hood-sand-magnetite__41232
Mate you're having a laugh about the wooley pully, I'm a big fan of them and not sure what you're on about! Think you were a bit harsh on it in a couple of areas!
Hi Jordan, I admit that my experience was based on on a very old Norgy Fisherman's sweater that weighed a ton and itched like crazy! The more modern, softer and lighter versions are now much better. Paul.
is the dog chowing down on the grass?
Most likely, or a stick/log. He's a very chewy dog.
atom lt is NOT windproof and it gets soaked in rain
I rather like the wind noise in my ears... feels like I’m out there ;)
Hahah, this is one of our older videos, we have updated our sound system since then and it's now much improved. Thanks for watching. Paul.
Yet to come accross any critical remarks on any product on this channel.
That's because they are all good, we wouldn't stock them otherwise! Thanks for watching. Paul
I find it so ironic that duck feathers are not waterproof.
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Wind noise was a bit mad. But good vid otherwise.
Yeah, sorry about that. Old primitive kit. Sound in the latest videos should be spot on. Harry
The Atom LT doesn't seem to have any real reason for being? Its not completely waterproof or windproof and not the best breathability. Wouldn't down be a better choice all around if money is not a factor?
Quite the opposite, the Atom LT covers almost any outdoor activity because it isn't waterproof or windproof. A windproof/waterproof jacket will limit the breathability considerably and should only be used if necessary, whereas the Atom LT is highly breathable and features even more breathable panels down the sides. On top of that, it has the ideal amount of insulation to be worn on its own on a cold day, but also breathable enough for ascents while walking, climbing, mountaineering, etc. Also, if it gets wet the Atom will maintain most of it's warmth whereas down will turn into a cold ball of feathers.
you clearly don't understand the ideas behind softshells...you don't want totally waterproofness mainly because your own sweat becomes a big problem when you are doing anything active.
dude the wind is killing me, cant continue sry
We've upgraded our mic since, so the newer videos should be spot on.
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wool was smelly? i think your memory is bad, or maybe you aren't a backpacker? fleece will get smelly in 3-4 days, and that smell can be hard to wash out...wool can be worn almost indefinitely without picking up body odor or other smells... unless you mean just the natural smell of some wools when it is wet, which i actually like. wool is also way more breathable and can be worn in a very wide temperature range.
also, wool doesn't melt like petroleum-based synthetics.
Great video! For someone who sweats a lot would you suggest a breathable lightweight fleece like the patagonia r1 or a breathable synthetic like the proton lt(considering the vest version as well)? Thank you very much in advance!
The Proton will make a better outer layer when moving quickly thanks to its water resistant properties, but the fleece will make a better midlayer. The Proton will most likely be warmer and more packable, but fleece generally lasts longer due to its simplicity. Either will do the job just fine. We're big fans of gilets (vests) too, they're brilliant if you tend to sweat quite a lot.
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