David Wilkerson debates the Jesus People
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The Jesus People Movement got its start from a evangelical coffee house in Haight Asbury called The Living Room. Famed Evangelist David Wilkerson came from New York City to interview the hippie preachers, but was disgusted to learn they were smoking weed, were seemingly nonchalant about LSD, yet preaching about Jesus Christ. Wilkerson was able to dry up The Living Room's funding by drawing attention to the drug-friendly lifestyle of these early Jesus People, Ted Wise and Steve Heefner (locally famous as the hippie friendly radio disc jockey moniker "Steve O'Shea"). The movement would spread and become known for founding contemporary worship music, denominations like Calvary Chapel and The Vineyard Churches, and allowing more of a contemporary approach to worship services.
Detailed account of the encounter in this video is found in Larry Eskridge's God's Forever Family (Oxford University Press, see page 44).
Original description:
"KTVU News footage from December 7th 1967 featuring a live debate in San Francisco's Haight-Ashbury district between Reverend David Wilkerson and four more 'radical' preachers (two are later referred to as "Ted and Steve"), which attempts to focus on the issue of religion and hallucinogenic drugs. However, Wilkerson's first question after the clapperboard is confrontational: "From what I hear, you fellas seem to be telling these young people that they can have Christ and still have their LSD, have their pot." The four men immediately take umbrage with his line of questoning and retort: "You haven't been listening!" One of them goes on to address the camera and claims: "You know what this guy told us? He told us that this wasn't rigged. That he was going to give us a straight interview of some kind. And he's deliberately loaded his questions to stimulate a reaction from us, instead of ask what we think." This lively, spontaneous, free-form debate illustrates how different styles of ministry can generate frustration and confusion amongst parties who claim to share the same goals. Wilkerson is adamant that: "You cannot enter the kingdom of God and still smoke pot and take LSD. You can't do it!" Everyone else is trying to steer the debate in a different direction. Eventually many people move into the shot from all over the room and Wilkerson is obliged to admit "We gotta wrap up." Afterwards, reporter Claud Mann interviews "Dan" who points out that what we've just witnessed is essentially a failure to communicate. Ends with views of Mann interviewing Wilkerson on the street, who explains why he feels so angry about the issue of drugs: "I'm tired of these Bob Dylan preachers ... that's the trouble with Haight Ashbury. We need more ministers down there preaching that these kids can clean up. They aren't cleaning up anybody." He goes on to explain the problem he sees with "permissive" attitudes in his latest book 'Parents on Trial: Why Kids Go Wrong - Or Right'. Note that Mann refers to it as "Why Our Children Go Wrong or Right?""
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On the original video source, David Hoyt, a JP movement guy from the Haight in the 60s said the following:
"Two Years Later Wilkerson is preaching at Anaheim Christian Center Dan Pauly was in attendance and heard Wilkerson makes a confession about his attitude toward hippies who claimed to be Christians.
A paraphrase of his comments: I was angry about long-haired hippie-types claiming to be Christians. I assumed they were most likely still using LSD and smoking pot and not cleaning up and conforming to mainstream society. I thought if they were really Christians their appearance should reflect what church people look like. I was wrong. My spiritual tradition blinded me to what God was doing. I wouldn’t even listen to those who were trying to explain me what they believed and practiced."
source: diva.sfsu.edu/collections/sfbatv/bundles/220932
Thank you for adding this ..We All fall short daily repent and you are forgiven . Dave learned a lot and grew a lot . 💞
The only think David Wilkerson was guilty of was judging people, based on their hair and clothes, their appearance.
David Wilkerson and his preaching has set thousands of young people free from drugs. His life is a Testament of what he believed in.
There's no place for drugs in the body of Christ.
@@cookiemama4 thanks for the reply
@@JesusPeopleSF I grew up in those day's . I knew who David Wilkerson was ..I was young and foolish ..i was drawn to David sermons 10 years ago . A voice in the wilderness . He preached in the alley's of New York he had to have his Armour on tight .. T hats why I think he was so hard on hippies . im so glad you posted this .. David Wilkerson was such a passionate man for Jesus .. Love all his messages . God Bless your Ministry .
@@karenwinona204 thanks for sharing your experience and for the well wishes
thank God I had a friend 45 years ago who was patient with me, but also did not water down God's word. I drank, took drugs, slept with women. My friend didn't condemn me, but taught me about Jesus. We talked about repentance before I became a Christian, but he didn't START there. He showed me Jesus. I gave up all of the sin before I was saved, but it was an 18 month process before I was ready to do that.
If the hippies had told me that I could keep doing drugs, I never would have become a Christian.
If someone like Wilkerson got in my face about my drug use, I never would have become a Christian.
Thank God for my friend Rob, who taught me Jesus first, then repentance, then I became a disciple of Jesus. He took his time with me, because I needed it. 45 years later, I am still faithful, still preaching the word of God.
Beautiful. I am Muslim. I like your comment and acceptance of God ❤
thanks for the feedback
@@josephthomas2226 ...beautiful.
David Wilkerson was a man that was committed to seeing young people set free from addiction.
He was one of the great men of faith! ✝️
thanks
I wanna share part of my testimony here. I say part because all of it would be way too long. Anyway, before I came to saving faith in Jesus Christ on July 11th, 2004(age 28), I was immersed in the hip hop culture/lifestyle. Because my father left us when I was a young child, and because I didn't know who I was and WHOSE I was, I lacked identity. When you don't know who you are, and you don't have true identity, you go looking for it. I found it in the hip hop culture. My view of the world, my speech, my style of dress, my behavior was all shaped from that. That became my identity. I wore my clothes the same way everybody else in that culture did...I wore my pants sagging, I had an earring in both ears. I word the hairstyles of that day. I spoke the same language/slang as everyone else did, which consisted of a lot of vulgarity, profanity, and words that my elders barely understood. I had my own life's philosophy, I was basically my own god.
By by the grace, mercy, and love of God, my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ saved me on that date above. I didn't grow up in church like that, so everything was basically from scratch. A lady from the job that I was working at, who the Lord used mightily in pointing me to Christ, bought me my first Bible and that's where I began. One of the first things the Holy Spirit did in me was change my speech....the profane language. Nobody had to tell me to pull up my pants and remove my earrings because the Holy Spirit led me to do that. I was no longer of the world and as the Lord was doing the work on me inside, my outside was confirming.
I want to also make sure I say this too. I went through the over-zealous self-righteous stage as well. Still being a babe in Christ a couple of years in, and desiring to see other people be saved and experience what the Lord had done in me, I went through a stage where I was really judgmental and lacked grace when I wasn't seeing it in other people either as quickly as I wanted to or at all. I was very immature and self-righteous. But, God is good, and He is just, and He DISCIPLINES those that He loves...and as a good Father does, He had to humble me. And it's a great lesson that I learned and have taken with me through life, especially when it comes to witnessing to people. When i witness now, there is no focus on the outside appearance for me. My focus is the Gospel and the heart of that person. If that person gets truly saved, then the Holy Spirit WILL do the work. We have to get out of the way and let Him do it. We can do that while still preaching the truth and loving them at the same time. The absolute LAST thing you want to do is CRUSH the spirit of a babe in Christ. We have to remember that disciples make disciples and the process of sanctification is INSIDE OUT and not OUTSIDE IN. Thank you for sharing this video.
Thanks for the thoughtful comment. Have a good day
Wow! Thanks for sharing your story. Very wise words and now you certainly are a mature Christian. You have a wonderful humility - definitely imitating Christ's example that He gave us. Keep the faith and following Christ. God Bless!
Thank you, this is my story in so many ways, you put it in the right words, I'm sure by listening that You are led by the Holy Spirit. Praying all do this, time is short. God bless you
Amen and amen!
Great testimonial. It's His Grace we are dependent upon
The PROCESS of sanctification is sometimes slower than we think it should be… If acceptance of Christ meant that we must cease from our life of sin immediately, who could be saved? By God’s grace, as we are sanctified by Him, God’s Spirit within will be contrary to our sinful habits. It’s supernaturally natural. I think the recap of the issue given right before the final interview nailed it on the head!
Teen challenge helped me in powerful ways
Awesome
I've never seen Wilkerson so young lol. One of my heros in the faith for sure
Jesus meets people where they’re at and it’s Jesus who takes the sin away if the conversion is real and true.
With, Repentance, a Changed heart, then a witnessed, Changed Life
Jesus meets them where they are at but does not leave them where they are at!
It's amazing what we think and believe from one day to the next as all of these men did. Isn't it wonderful that God's love never changes?
I don't think I've ever seen such a gentler group of arguers 😅 😅
One is not dissipated the others are stoned and preaching perverted communism and they are stoned.
Plus they are stoned on the devil's lettuce.
Did I mention they were stoned.
@@IamGreatsword , don't you remember?
@@IamGreatsword the devils lettuce! 😂 I’ve never heard it put that way.
In fairness, many hippies who came to Christ and joined the Jesus movement were set free of drugs. So not all Jesus people were "pro drugs".
Thanks for the comment Jay. Agree 100%, I think Jesus strategy with the Jesus People Movement was to limit the damage done by drugs in the hippie movement.
In fact, most weren't.
I didn't see these guys condemning it and they were "ministers". They are teaching antinomianism which is unbiblical
@@indigenous31617 right and you can find a group you disagree with or have false beliefs in every church
@John Otto exactly, & any of us are capable of judging false beliefs of others and be wrong ourselves too! Too much division, not enough discipleship. That's the difference.
These guys were new Christians, it sometimes takes a while to start renewing your mind to the Word of God and to obey God rather than their own desires.
I run a rehab and I agree with David
So you didn,t know David at all ie you never met him in person!
@@garygiff2024 what does that have to do with anything
When I was 20 going into 21 and first RE-accepted Christ as my Savior, my life didn't change in the aspect of drinking, doing drugs, smoking, and having sex. The only thing that changed was that I started reading the Bible. It was from there that God started chanting me from the INSIDE! And when He said it was time to stop those things, I stopped.
Thanks for the comment. I’ve been pruning the comments that don’t take into account the brevity of these believer’s walks
Same here, I was high as a kite when I first read the Bible in the late 70s. That lasted about two weeks before Christ told me it was time to stop all drugs. Thank God for those Jesus people or I never would have came near a church w/pastors like Wilkerson in the pulpit. You will know them by their LOVE.
@@sidv192 Really encouraged by your comment Sidney. Just an FYI, Wilkerson spent much time on the streets evangelizing and started a multisite rehab for teens to get off drugs. I think Wilkerson would like to do this scene over again differently if he could.
One step at a time
God catches His fish before He cleans them. Same thing happened to me and is still happening. Praise the Lord. Watching and waiting for His return
David Wilkerson came back to SF about 10 years later to preach on the streets during SOS San Francisco. I was part of that. During a private meeting of the leadership David confessed his sin nature and his need for repentance before we went out. Watching I see why he did that. The years softened Davids heart, and he was going to preach Jesus and let Holy Spirit convict people of sin as they grew in Christ and sanctification
David was right, it's just that being right isn't popular. Pot was illegal! Romans 13:1. Titus 3:1.
T Mo, John 8:7 says:
7 "So when they continued asking him, HE (Jesus) lifted up HIMSELF, and said unto them, he that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her."
Often when dealing with addicts, transformation takes time. But they were speaking truth and walking in the power of the HOLY SPIRIT!
@@deb9784 So are you saying it was ok for them to keep doing drugs? John 8:11.
Hallelujah! We are always growing. God is not finished with any of us yet.
Thank you Lord Jesus for your amazing Grace!
Such a sad interview. The doctrine of sinful nature and everyone sins is where David went soft... he lost this interview or witness at.... yes I sin also
Classic struggle between Truth and Grace. It's healthy tension. Tough to watch. I love all their hearts. Blessed are the Peace makers. Shalom
Well said
thanks for the feedback
LoVe Me Some David Wilkerson ❣️ But , I LoVe The Jesus People , too ❣️
Where are the David Wilkersons of today!!
Great man
Amazing preacher!!
Amen. Where are they indeed. I think Romans 1 has the answer
This interview and a subsequent acid trip led these guys to eventually give up lsd and pot. The older generation didn’t know how to pastor these people. They were trying to do something new and needed guidance, not condemnation.
Such clarity by the last guy being interviewed.
☝🏼 One Way!
I always said we should help people get saved and let Jesus clean them up. It's liked when I got saved I was fighting using drugs and all I heard about was my long hair. Don't ever compromise the Word but don't beat people up with it either, most sinners know how bad they are they just don't know about the forgiveness.
Thanks for the comment!
Amen!
love David... love... bring em' in ....but when some people were meeting Jesus on drugs we had to bring them in... Jesus took me in a vision and saved me when I was on acid! I am a living testimony 52 years later!!!
Right on! One Way!
That was very inspiring to see this conversation. It reminds be that being a Christian is a historical experience and the conversations we have now are not much different then back then and even before this!
I've seen pastor David confess on one of his sermons about him being judgmental to people by just looking at them. He said it was his weakness and asked the Lord for deliverance from it. All of us are sinners we should not forget. Let people be and let the holy spirit lead them to the right path. God is the only judge.
We are called to judge righteousness in the church not the world, these guys say they are Christians but are still doing drugs, they are wrong.
Draw near to God and he will draw near to you.
We have to preach and share the gospel in truth BUT it’s the HOLY SPIRIT who brings the Convictions
What is the Gospel, define the word?
@@truthinchrist3001 the gospel isn’t a word but the story of the Life Crucifixion and Ressurection of Jesus Christ for our sins!
@@josephmacias8340 Why don't you just answer. Is it because you are not being dishonest. Just be truthful and say you don't know. It is the Proclamation of The Word of God made Flesh who came to earth to personally reveal God's Holy Word. John 1 Jesus Christ was and IS The Word and it is only by His Word for which someone can be saved. The Word of God Is the power unto salvation. It is how we discern the counterfeit vs the truth. Shame on you for not caring for what The Lord has spoken. Read John 3 19-21 if you have ears to hear.
This is a tremendous post. And having read thru about a dozen comments, I feel the love of Christ. I think these young guys had probably not heard and accepted the teaching that I believe was first delivered by Chuck Smith on Pharmakeia. Gal5:20 I’d love to hear an interview with the 4 young men today and hear their views on drug use.
Here’s that interview ruclips.net/video/hxE1R8O9wiM/видео.html
Nicole Brown in all kindness U are wrong.Their were many born again in the JESUS MOVEMENT as I remember The Lord changed many lives,and yes not all of us cut our hair super short and quit wearing blue jeans and why should have we.,however many of us as we saw what Jesus did for us on the cross,let The Holy Spirit work in us and we began to live like NEW CREATURES IN HIM.However like believers today we got tripped up and sinned and ask The Lord to forgive us and he does and we began walking with again.
Interesting from Lanny frisbees book. The Jesus revolution, he tells about this encounter. Here’s the description below.
At one point David Wilkerson, author of the very popular The Cross and the Switchblade about Nicky Cruz, came with a production team to film our household for a documentary. I was eighteen years old in that movie, which was financed by the Assemblies of God denomination. They gave us a small amount of money and had us sign away our rights. They filmed everything. It was supposed to be a story of redemption about our efforts to reach people with the message of Christ. However, they named the film The Runaway Generation, and it was very negative. In fact, it was an extremely negative film. They misunderstood what we were all about, but we still had nothing but love for them.
Thank you for posting this comment. Valuable information.
Thank-you Jesus People for that needed info regarding that meeting and Dr. David Wilkerson's admission.
thanks
I love david Wilkerson, but I also love the Jesus People!! Also those were not key leaders of the. Movement, it would have been different if he interviewed them. I also believe both parties were wrong in this interview, David’s sin was one of not seeking to Understand, but accusing and judging the cleanliness of the outside of the cup. The other crew was trying to correct him that Sin is in the heart, and much of Gods attention is on the Sins of the Heart. So if your judging harshly if I smoke pot, but you judge harshly, condemn, envy, gossip, pride, or slander, that is also a grievous sin in Gods eyes.
They both could have learned immensely from one another if they could have sat down and simply discussed to hear and understand one another. I believe that’s where David was wrong. He was right in what he was speaking, but he didn’t get the fruit of the correction he was bringing because he was bringing it to attack them and discount them rather than to encourage and exhort them.
Thankfully I just read the top pinned comment.
Praise God
Hi I definitely appreciate your comment above most everyone else’s. You really thought this through biblically
This video made it into the Jesus Revolution movie, it's only played in the background in one of the scenes.
So cool never seem a younger David.👱♂️
The Jesus people had some good points and he wasn't listening. He was hung up on something they clearly told him they didn't teach. He was there for an argument, not a discussion and he wouldn't listen. Shame on him. He was not judging rightly. That guy afterward understood them and what was true and explained it well.
God changed me from the inside through the conviction of the holy Spirit. If somebody had lectured me on trying to make instant change and pretend that I had matured when I had not yet, it would have driven me away from Jesus. It's rare that anybody is instantly delivered from addiction. It takes time. AA understands the whole process a whole lot better than David did at that time. David should have 12-stepped himself.
I'm glad that two years later he had also grown spiritually and learned where he had been wrong. Sadly, there are still Christians who make the same mistake that he did in this interview.
Completely agree...it's a process, so thankful for all the thriving Celebrate Recovery ministries in the world today!!
I didn't see them explain anything clearly and definitely lacked respect to their older. Someone told David Wilkerson something and he was attempting to find out if they believed it. Sounds like they didn't want to be clear and that is how it's gone since Adam and Eve.
I agree with what the Jesus people were saying if I understand them correctly, however, I can't blame Wilkerson for the way he reacted, there was Communication break down because they were not clear about what it is they believe exactly. they weren't exactly 100percent clear on whether or not they preach Jesus but still encourage people to sin.
@@cisuminocisumino3250, may be. Glad it all worked out with everything Jesus did with it all. Something to learn. Thanks for your understanding.
I love the Cross and the Switchblade movie
Thank-you David Pebbles for that info. We are all learners.
thanks
Sometimes we can’t think right off hand..I’m sure if Pastor could have thought for second he would have said that yes we all sin but true lovers of Jesus don’t do it willingly! When we do it breaks our heart too. David lived his life trying to help those addicted to drugs and alcohol and he did not even have to deal with it himself but had a heart for those that did. There will surely be many stars in his crown 🙌
Right! I kept thinking David ,tell them willfully sinning after conversion is not in Line with Gods grace or truth. You should not willfully sin. Sins must be confessed as in 1 john 1:9. God will work on your sin issues and thats called sanctification over your life time.
@@bobr2959 It's not just the fact of smoking pot. It was illegal. Romans 13:1. Titus 3:1.
David Wilkerson was not chosen by God but was another self chosen like the other mutitudes over the last 5 generations!
@@garygiff2024 Name a few that you consider "chosen by God".
There’s a massive difference between sinning and endorsing that sin
That wasn't my experience. I remember people coming forward and sharing how they had flushed all of their drugs the night before. They were laughing and crying at the same time and telling us that they had been set free. I remember times when others would hand over their stash right up on the podium. I'm sure that there were people that came high. I'd bet there are people that come to worship high now and even in the most churchy of churches. But God delivers. I have always respected David Wilkerson and still do. I read everything that he wrote and stood in amazement of how Father worked in and through him. But, it appears to me that he was more interested in creating a 'gotcha moment' here.
The guy being interviewed at 6:46 got it right.
I saw Mr. Wilkerson in KC in the early 70s and loads of drugs being thrown onto the stage where he preached and many young people committed themselves to Jesus.
@@robcallicotte5786 It was a special time and God was moving in and through people. I was glad to be there. I believe the Spirit used, as He usually does, a wide array of the most unlikely. I believe He does this so that no man can boast. I also think He shares these stories, in the bible and by word of mouth so that each one of us knows however unworthy we are, God is able to love us and use us. Todays sermon at my church today was on Revelation 11:1-14 and it was entitled "The Two Witnesses". The Church will have been taken up before this but they will appear as bold, grubby sack-clothed Prophets and I can't help wondering what many will think or would have thought upon seeing them...We are called to out those that are false prophets but we had better been darn sure our prejudices aren't blinding us and they are truly false before we do so.
Reminds me of my early Christian days. I remember telling the person who led me to the Lord that I was NOT ...then I gave a long list of what I thought church people did...going to do such and such. After each emphatic person, the person smiled and said, "That's OK, you don't have to, but you're going to want to."
And so it was. We are changed from glory to glory.
Hello, it is wonderful when Christ does it all.
@@JesusPeopleSF Amen. There are those who are transformed by Him, and there are those who imitate Him. The former is a work of the Spirit, while the later is often a mere imitation. As a baby Christian I could only imitate, and it was not genuine, but sincere. Some seem not to get beyond this baby stage, never understanding the reality of Christ IN you.
I got saved in 1996! Hallelujah
Listen don’t be deceived!
When you get saved certain things God takes away from you right away because I was desperate for him emotionally I was suicidal I was a mess and certain things emotional healing takes a while however you will hate sinning!
when
when you’re born again you’ll
Will hate sin !
so there’s going to be supernatural work in your heart It’s too bad that town Reverend Wilkinson was not prepared to talk to these people he supposed to be also with at least two more Christians strong Christians there and the debate with scripture if you love your brother you would never wanna encourage them to use anything that caused them destruction
There’s so much scripture about this
There’s also about Grace
Thank you for the opine.
Awesome I was saved in 96 also. Like the Jews I spent 40 years wandering in the wilderness before I accepted Christ.
Dave and the religious spirit how horrible.. Glad I got delivered from this spirit !!!
Dave was a true man of God. The Jesus People was a cult.
thanks for your comment
this is classic example of why churches are slow to accept revivals... the Holy Spirit goes out and reaches a community of unreached ppls... and they are different, so do we accept what God is doing or do we require it 1st to fit into our mold! the Gospel in its purest form reaches everyone but we so often want to wrap it into our cultural norms and present it as a whole package.... yes you can be saved but you must 1st dress and act like us..... the very society the hippies wanted to get away from.... the love of money and the dog eat dog rat race of capitalism! both sides were right....yes drug use is sinful and so is the love of money. ... but only God brings that conviction at His time and gives you the power to hand it over.... Jesus said My yoke is easy and my burden is light.... Thats what Grace is for, it covers the multitude of times you fall into sin and fall over !
Thanks for the comment. Some good points here.
Yes that Grace is for all of us. But so is God's justice and we are not to go on living in our sin and preaching like it's perfectly fine and then corrupting others in that sin. And that's what these happy men were doing by saying it's okay to do LSD get high etc etc and just talk about God's grace. Because of God's grace Paul says heaven forbid I take advantage of it the Bible tells us to run from sin run like fast like crazy screaming fast run from sin. And that's for everyone. If the men needed help that's fine but they shouldn't be leader shouldn't have been leaders telling people especially the youth of America that this is okay. And that's what David wilkerson's concern was David started teen challenge by the grace and mercy of God which are programs around the world look it up if you don't know it that have helped for decades hopeless desperate drug addicts that had no hope in life and would have been damned to eternal hell because they weren't saved and they couldn't help themselves.
What happens to the flesh when we are saved? Is it changed? Is it made perfect? Is it EVER made perfect? The new creation is not in the flesh, it is in the spirit. Afterwards, as we cooperate with the Holy Spirit and mortify the flesh, we grow in Sanctification. How rare, how amazing is it that anyone conquers the flesh completely. I know of only three. Enoch, Elijah, and the LORD Jesus.
Man, us Christians sure are good at fighting with each other. David Wilkerson was a great man of God, and God also worked powerfully in the Jesus People movement.
thanks for the comment
Wow. I think this is a prime example of how people will know you care before they care what you know. I love David Wilkerson and I think the Jesus People really loved the Lord. This is hard to watch.
Would love to see the full interview without it being censored at the end. I believe those impacted in the Jesus Movement are still on fire and many in ministry until today. Many were in the process of sanctification during this video, as we all are day to day. Praise God for His Holy Spirit that makes all things possible through Christ
You’ll have to wait for glory because that is the full video as it was provided to me
D.J. Sr. That reply was exactly what needed to be said. According to that 1st comment, Pastor David Wilkerson did repent regarding what he said. God is soooo patient as we fumble, fuss and grow.
thanks
I remember 50 years ago David Wilkerson claiming that he had a vision from God showing him that the world would end and Jesus would return in 5 years. Well, that didn’t happen. Wouldn’t that qualify him as a false prophet? His self righteous, judgmental, narrow minded attitude always rubbed me the wrong way. I was part of that late 60’s Jesus movement but people like David Wilkerson almost drove me out.
First of all, if Wilkerson wanted to point out errors and remove specks or beams from another persons eyes, why did he need a film crew to do it? He was loaded for bear and wanted to take these people down. Wilkersons entire career, as powerful as it was, was dripping with condemnation and criticism of new things God was doing. I'll never forget when he acceoted an invitation to a Milan LeFever concert from Milan himself because he was so concerned about Wilkersons criticism of Christian rock. Wilkerson went and reported he saw a vision of a demon risiong up out of the stage. I read many of his newsletter and it was article after article of how bad everything had become in the church and the world.
As long as the Holy Spirit allows us to have breath in our lungs we are being processed into the image of His Son….
“Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God”
1 Corinthians 4:5
amen
You are lying !
I really like what is explained at 6:26 . I watched Jesus Revolution yesterday, and this comes really timely in providing historical perspective as well as social perspective on drug addiction (which is so much relevant today). I was saved 2.5 years ago, and I have listened to a lot of David Wilkerson's videos. The argument stems from the flesh. One side (righteous but still anger) is accusing the other side is becoming defensive. Also, I recently watched UnMiracle, and it clearly showed a kid who grew up in a Christian family and almost died from overdose. So there are lot of saved Christians who go to church and who fall out, but the good news is that they can be forgiven once they repent and can go back.
AMEN Brother! The part you reference here is spot on. As a former saved by grace weed addict, I couldn't have put it better.
I think that Wilkerson here was totally disregarding the ongoing process of "SANCTIFICATION' once someone has made a commitment to Christ. For some drug addicts it's instant, not so much for others. It's the REPENTANCE from it that matters. BOTH sides had sin in there lives as we ALL do. Not to take anything away from his work for Christ; but IMHO, Wilkerson, and too many others get stuck in this 'RELIGIOSITY' and can't see the Holy Spirit working in other people's lives because they expect them to see everything from their view as far as the FLESH struggling against the SPIRIT. Every single believer on God's green Earth has that same struggle, but it's different for everyone. I believe this was the guys point that kept asking Wilkerson if he sinned.
@@scrimmerman Jesus revolution is a false movie
daily trust...helps to read what Jesus said as well as the apostles in the new covenant and even the old covenant prophets. The Bible's words are magically powerful and can feed us to trust him when nothing else and no else gets us. God bless.
@@sigmanocopyrightmusic8737 If you don't say why it's false then you are just engaging in pointless slander.
@Annamarie Stearns, good one. Yes, I agree - Jesus on the inside by the Holy Spirit show such fruit ("love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faith, meekness, self-mastery"), because we live the canon of a new creation in Christ.
I wonder what he would say now as we are seeing all the Lord gave him then come more of a reality now than ever before God help us and have mercy on us. Oh brother wilkerson you are so greatly missed 😢 but we know one day we will meet you in person and thats gonna be awesome 8f of course we remember but cant wait to see our master face to face for He is God Almighty 💖
David Wilkerson was a godly man zealous for Jesus.
I was a convert in the Jesus Movement in 1971, at the age of 21. Before that, I had been a daily drug user for 5 or 6 years. I had been arrested numerous times for possession and for public intoxication. That being said, I do not believe these guys are good representatives of the Jesus Movement. After I became Christian I would not even take an aspirin. I knew many Jesus People and none of them continued to take drugs. We had a new life in Christ and that life did not include continuing to take drugs. We saw the destructive power of drugs and loved our freedom from them. From some of the things these kids said, honestly, they sounded more like communists than Jesus People.
I wonder where those who continued to take drugs are today.
Thank you. What we're seeing there is the heart of Babylon - to create division among God's children. May God intervene.
Both parties express God’s uniqueness. Both parties also display two extremes. Wilkerson represents the vigilance of repentance but also represents rigid western standards of Christianity. The hippies embody the virtue of forsaking all for Christ but also embody detrimental liberalism.
The hippies are right about preaching the gospel and allowing the Holy Spirit and individual conviction to change a person. Wilkerson is right about preaching the gospel and the importance of repentance of sin and allowing the fruits of the Holy Spirit to manifest in one's life.
Honestly, aside from the drug use...the hippies were probably living more like the early church. Forsaking all that you own, denying yourself, giving to the poor, living communally, spreading the gospel, etc.
Well said!!
Yes!
If they weren’t willing to give up drugs then they weren’t denying themselves.
They're grabbing different sides of the elephant and cherry-picking which parts to believe. They must believe it wholly.
I feel like them getting David to admit that he also sins was the most important part of that whole conversation.
GW: There’s a lot of simplistic reduction going on in your statement. There are sins of infirmity and then there are willful sins. If they had MaryJ in their basement, how were they mortifying the flesh or making no provision for the flesh? They were trying to justify their willful sins by using category error against David W. here.
@@brianmgrim It didn’t come across to me like they were trying to justify their sin. It looked to me that David was disqualifying them as Christian’s because of one particular sin in their lives while calling himself a Christian despite also having sin in his life. They picked up on what David was doing and threw his own judgement back at him. Effectively saying if they can’t be true Christians then neither can David.
Plus, the pinned comment shows that David had a change of heart not long after in how he viewed hippies.
@@Garethpookykins church on sunday- L.s.d. on monday.- and they promoted it. follwers of timothy leary.
they are justifying their sinfull life- they dont beleive that their drugs are part of a sinfulll life. they beleive jesus approves of it.....kind of like the lgbt gay christians.- they beleive that god affirms their homosexuality. same thing happening here.
@@catalinak6320 Aah I see. Thanks for sharing more of the context. If that’s what they were doing and promoting then it certainly changes my perspective with respect to the conversation in the video; In that case David was right to call them out. Although, in that video they didn’t seem to try an assert that Christ approves of their drug use.
Wow, if they could see the church now. Please Jesus, help us all.
There is no ( church ) now! What is there must be torn down and thrown into the fire to be burned up ! Then a new Tree be planted!
Yes, I noticed that.
Yes or No David.... YES
Love covers a multitude of sin. Lead them to Jesus and Jesus will clean them up through the Word of God.
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Bro these guys still exist!!!
Some of them are still around
When he was offended by the placement of the action cue one second in I knew we were in store for a real treat.
good catch, do you have a timestamp?
The hippies are so right !!! Jesus loves us unconditionaly no matter who we are what we do and yes he can touch us and set us free. It is not up to if we have suits or not.
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One thing no one who has commented on this video is the socioeconomic aspect of criticisms the Living Room ministers raised. How, indeed, do we say we can own an innumerable amount of things and dollars and truly preach "sell your possessions give to the poor, come follow me" and "blessed are the poor" (no qualification of that last statement by Jesus).
The ministers being hounded by Wilkerson in the video lived communally, and shared what they had with any in need.
Wilkerson died with a 7,000,0000 net worth. Most people are commenting on here are too well versed and steeped in a works based Gospel. The way is narrow indeed by Grace & Blood. This video shows the exact distinction between the real Gospel and a self righteous Gospel. This video has really blessed me as im battling in my conscious between the 2 and have discovered that the church I love very much teaches a works based gospel. It's really disturbing me.
@@liasunshine7470 Thank you very much for the reply. If you look at some of the other comments pinned you will see that Wilkerson eventually regreted that he responded this way. As regard to Wilkerson‘s wealth I believe that the Scriptures certainly do not condemn wealth itself 100% of the time, but it does seem to greatly warn about its danger. I think most Christians today have mostly ignored the warnings of the danger of wealth, and the fruitless Christianity that they live is evidence to why it is dangerous
He may have repented but did he ever really listen? Or go a step further and reform his perspective on Grace IE believe it is what God says it is. I don't think he did considering his sermons briming with hellfire and a near obsession with sin instead of the Savior. It's truely a problem because with this perspective it greatly effects the way you teach the Bible to others and will likely lead to closed doors instead of open hearts.
@@liasunshine7470 well in order to answer that I think you would need to be God and have a window into his heart. Personally I think that the window for much repenting on the part of lost people is nearly closed. When that happens only threatening the judgment of God seems just and right, Just like Jeremiah
Is this the hippie movement that Chuck Smith started and I agree with Wilkerson if you’re in Christ and he satisfies your so I don’t think you would want to do drugs and or alcohol. Only Jesus can satisfy those cravings and longings.
Yes, it is, and continues to this day through Calvary Chapel. The description that is for this video explains it quite well.
It's not chuck smith who started it, the one who started it is LONNIE FRISBEE....sadly he backslided later and died of AIDS
@@armandodatuin2164 Chuck is the one who put the Charismatic movement in high gear. He split from the Four Square church after accepting an unbiblical prophecy about his name being changed to Papa. It was his creation of Calvary Chapel that made this Hippie Jesus movement such a wide spread phenomenon, with the help of a few others.
@@padillas4357 nah ...chuck smith was the one hindered the working of Holy Spirit during Jesus people movement...he didn't believe in tounges, slain in the spirit, working in signs and wonders....his ministry was dry before lonnie came.....what could of been if he let the Holy Spirit do the rest back then.....
@@armandodatuin2164 Well, I am not a fan of Chuck, but the Charismatics do believe in the gifts of the Spirit. It's just that they are all wrong in their beliefs and practice. I say this as a Pentecostal. Calvary Chapel was a pioneer in the Charismatic movement, and later on there was a split that created the Hyper Charismatic movement with the Vineyard. These are all emotional and experience driven, and not Biblically sound.
Greg Laurie did an interview where he talks about Lonnie. He left Calvary Chapel in the early days. Greg and Chuck were there with Lonnie when he died of AIDS. So it was Chuck, and Calvary Chapel, that really gave the Jesus People movement traction. That is what the movie they made is really about. According to the reviews and interviews, it looks like a nostalgic trip for the Boomers, and gives excuses and cover-up for sin.
I can see both sides here. No, we shouldn't tell people it's ok to continue in bad habits. But on the other side of that coin, a lot of people look righteous outwardly in the way they dress, talk, habits, etc, but they have their own sin tendencies to deal with, perhaps pride, being a snob, love of money, gossip, etc.
"Hey they "look" like they do drugs..."
"Hey they "look" like a pop band"
"Hey they "sound" like a rock n roll band"
"Hey it "looks" like a nightclub..."
Conservatives can be SO superficial and prideful...having the sin of self-righteousness
Yes this is true but I lived in san francisco for a year and liberals do the same thing with a different set of moral codes by which to judge the other side. It’s sadly human, not just conservative
Amazing interview, do what you preach, I meet these guys when I lived in California in the 1980's. I wonder what happened to them?
Some have passed, a few still live in Northern California.
Idk where they are but David Wilkerson died with a net worth of $7,000,000 dollars. Jesus had alot to say about sinners and more to say about rich men.
@@liasunshine7470 I think they get this because of the MEGA church he had in Times Square.
@@JesusPeopleSF who still lives in norcal? I want to meet them
@@JesusPeopleSF also, do u know the address of what used to be The Living Room? I want to see the area, pray in front of it etx
Context; this took place in 1967 with specific people at a specific location. The new Jesus Revolution movie took place a couple of years later in a different location with different people. The Asbury revival occurred in 1970, they weren’t hippies they were college students from conservative families. I wouldn’t lump it all together.
These were connected events. Lonnie was brought to a closer walk with God in San Francisco with the gentlemen featured in the video. They helped him have a better theological understanding of the gospel and the Bible which led to Lonnie being a more effective evangelist. The Asbury revival of 1970 was connected with the different moves of the Spirit in the late 1960s and early 70s. Revival usually spreads and that’s what happened with Lonnie and the Jesus people and that is what happened with the original Asbury revival.
@@JesusPeopleSF my point being that anytime the Holy Spirit moves, no matter where it is, it is connected. I just don’t think the video makes clear the connection.
@@JDawghasaTruck the video doesn’t bring out what God was doing. But it’s the only video record we have of the Living Room ministry in the Haight where the JP movement started
I don’t know that these hippies preached one can live however they want and still follow Jesus, maybe they were a work in progress, we need messed up people to come to our churches just as long as we all give our mess to the Lord and let him cleanse us and make us new people! We don’t stay in our mess.
They were indeed a work in progress. Thanks for the comment.
The main Jesus People veteran in this clip, Ted Wise, responds to this scene here: ruclips.net/video/hxE1R8O9wiM/видео.html
I love Wilkerson, but he came with the presupposition that they teach people that they can do drugs and have Christ. Instead of being objective, and asking questions, he made accusations.
Correct
Imagine telling people trapped in darkness that they aren't worthy of Christ's holy power.
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Religion says do, Christ says done. The only difference here is organized Christianity wears a suit and tie while ALL are still sinners. Justification: Saved by grace (past tense)
Sanctification: process of being made Christ like which takes all of one’s life. (Present tense)
Glorification: delivered from sins at death or rapture. (Future tense)
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Does anyone know how the four hippies turned out versus Wilkerson. Time always tells the tale. Just curious.
The some of the hippies are in the Lonnie Frisbee documentary. Ted Wise is in this clip we uploaded. ruclips.net/video/hLMaUaESB0Y/видео.html
Wow...
Do you know the names of any of these men, and whether or not they're still preaching?
Ted Wise is still alive, I think the others have mostly passed. He was interviewed a few years ago here:
jesuspeoplemovement.com/interviews/ted-wise-1-of-2-2/
@@JesusPeopleSF Thank you. I recall seeing something about them repenting of acid use after a bad trip?
@@antoinepetros9336 I don’t know of a video where they say that, but it is in the best Jesus People history book called God‘s Forever Family.
@@antoinepetros9336 I recorded my own reply to this video where I read the section of that book that describes their change of mind.
@@JesusPeopleSF Cool i'll look for it thank you
Wilkinson is absolutely right, that was coming, liberalism, the only possible argument is that many preachers wear expensive clothes and it should not be like that. But promoting the use of drugs and reading the bible is heretical.
Wilkerson had some good points back in the day. He came across as too angry for some time. After he read the late Reformers he was a bit more gentle conveying his points.
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I am new at this but I would like to know what's the difference between sins? Drugs are a sin but he admitted to committing sin?
@@Lydia.Roselli thank you
The point David Wilkerson was making was that you don't go out and habitually sin. You hold yourself accountable to someone a ministry of church a group so you don't go do those things anymore and you certainly don't go tell the youth of America or other new Christians or want to be Christians or maybe Christians that going out and getting high and doing LSD is perfectly fine. Forsake your sin. And if you're having a hard time stopping it then you you hold yourself accountable with a group you you live with family or friends that want allow you to do those things etc whatever it takes. Until you have victory. In Christ alone.
@@happy777abc thank you
I have found when I struggle with a sin that Holy Spirit has brought to my attention, then I repent and ask Him to help me overcome by fasting and praying. When Jesus was tempted in the wilderness He answered satan with “it is written.” We should do the same. We are told that Jesus died so we could be free from sin and death. Please read Romans 8 and ask Holy Spirit for wisdom and understanding of the Word of God. We must know the promises of God and have them written on our hearts so we can and will answer the enemy / temptation with “it is written.” Know who you are in Christ through His Word. I pray this helps
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Oh, man for sin and fall short of the glory of God, that’s why in the New Testament, the new covenant repentance came in, and it shall be repeated until the day we die, as long as our heart is in the right place, and we work towards a greater place in the kingdom of God, every day being better than we were the former day
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RUclips just asked me to rate your channel 1-5 stars. You got *****. (I'm tired of the way they jerk about Christian channels, so hope this helps in a small way).
East coast vs west coast. David is used to NYC these California guys are reflecting their region. Not everyone breaks from their old life the same way or at the same timeline as others. At the same time wheat and disingenuous tares grow up together. David wanted to start sifting right away, like he was standing on the threshing floor. These guys were contending with his take no prisoners approach. Finally, God knows them that are his and we can get some discernment by watching their fruit…character, development of a Christian ethic, behavioral submission to the authority of the Bible s Gods word of final authority.
Interesting perspective. Thanks for the comment
Wonder where these guys are now?
Just what I was wondering.
I wonder what year this was?
I'm guessing 1969?
1968 according to God's Forever Family - the best book on the Jesus Movement.
Each person develops their personal relationship with Jesus. This takes a process. The closer you get you will drop the things in your life that causes separation. A person needs his freedom to let go. If you force you'll want to come back to the habits. It's important to let go because you want to.
David Wilkerson assumed they were still taking drugs, but they weren't.
Read God’s forever family on that issue. They were still using marijuana at the time.
WOW - How interesting... and good for the young man clarifying at 6:30... hmmmmm
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He did many great things. Do as all humans we here see flaws.
He didn't understand, and he was very hesitant to admit that he sins. This is a great lesson don't hate or be angry with others because they said differently than you do. Open discussion sharpening in questioning is a great thing. The word says iron sharpens.
let the holy spirit be the teacher of the youth, its a new life for these kids and all they know is the old nature, but the lord will lead them and help them with their walk..dave wilkerson want them to cut their hair, put on suits, that dont make you a Christian. its a personal relationship with jesus. yes the youth need good leader to help them.
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Love covers a multitude of sins.
I wonder what David Wilkerson thought of their meeting with Kathryn Kuhlman.
Why does this matter?
God bless teen challenge Nola
Does anyone know who the guy is that starts at 6:20? Dan? or Bam?, couldn't catch the first name. This kid had it right! Wonder where he is now.
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I feel like he was a good man and he lived by the light he had. We must keep the commandments of God and the testimony of Christ Jesus . This wasn’t a way to do it.
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Accept Jesus is not BIBLICAL!
Hi Luis, there were a lot of areas of the Jesus People which carried over from Evangelicalism of the day. Sometimes God uses a bad methodology of evangelism and works anyway. If you're reformed like I think, the Westminster Confession says "God, in His ordinary providence, maketh use of means, yet is free to work without, above, and against them, at His pleasure." (WCF 5.3).
In JESUS Christ word in KJV Bible sayth My ppl “Come out of the world sayth the LORD 🕊😇🙏🏽🙇🏽♀️🌹🕊
Hello, if you are trying to quote the KJV from memory, it's not an exact quote. I think you're references 2 Cor 6:17 "Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you."
we recorded the background on this video:
ruclips.net/video/7Jj8_MZnixU/видео.html
Point Blank Period, Salvation Is Free By Faith Alone. If This Guy Is Saying, "Guys what are you saying you can have your sin and have Jesus too? No way" bro it's not what they say, it's what the bible says, Salvation is by Faith Alone In Jesus Christ!
This is a sad thing to see. New believers are trying to talk with a man who seems to be attack mode of these men.
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I agree that a person can be saved in any state, no matter the sin. The gospel is not: “accept Jesus as your lord and savior, stop all of your habits, clean up your sin, get into a church” the gospel is: “Christ took upon the sin of the world, died for our sins in our place, was buried and resurrected. And whosoever believes that Christ did that and has trust in him will be saved”. Sanctification is a process, we need to stop sinning, but:
The verse Wilkerson uses Mathew 7:21 and about “Lord Lord”, when the verse actually means those that are relying on their works to be saved will not enter the kingdom of God because they don’t rely on Christ, but their own deeds:
“Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.”
Matthew 7:22-23 KJV
Christ says whosoever does the will of his father will enter the kingdom of heaven, and he says the Will of his father is to believe in Christ!:
“And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.”
John 6:39 KJV
David keeps on talking about drugs and these guys talk about the grace of God though Jesus
Thanks for the insight Juan.
These guys are avoiding the reality of they were not repenting of their sin and they were indulging in it. They weren't remorseful for it. And a lot of people have commented that during the interview they look like they were stoned out of their mind. Bible clearly says that leaders are to be very righteous people living a holy life. We don't pervert the grace of god.
Where are these hippie guys now?
Some have passed, some are still around.