I was 25 in '86 and the amount of stick Hoddle used to get from England fans back then convinced me that the average Joe Bloggs England supporter knows bugger all about football. If Hoddle had been German, Dutch or Brazilian he would have won 100 plus caps instead of the paltry 53 he got for England. Superb passer, his vision was second to none and he knew where the goal was too. No wonder we've won nowt for 54 years.
Gary Lineker was a very smart striker. Consider this - he didn't have a great technically ability like the likes of Hoddle; couldn't dribble like Barnes; wasn't a strong tall target man like his successor Alan Shearer; he made his living through his runs. His amazing sense and awareness to get into the right place at the right time. Just so sharp with his mind. He and Ian Rush dominated the English football scene as I was growing up. I couldn't decide who was the better striker then. But now I would say Lineker. Based on the fact that, Rush only did well with Liverpool, couldn't repeat the same scoring feat, be it with Juve or Wales. Lineker, though, scored everywhere he went. Leicester, Everton, Spurs, Barcelona, England. He always scored!
+Andes Tung I like to compare him with Klose. Lineker and Klose are certainly among the smartest strikers football world has ever seen. Lineker had a decent technique and was fast btw. But he gets underestimated on this, just like Klose. They've hardly lost the ball due to a bad first touch. They've both been fast in the open spaces and couldn't be caught be the defenders. They've also did not struggled in the dribbling. It wasn't spectacular but always solid enough to not get into trouble but at the same time acceptable risks were taken to create a chance for themselves or the team.
Spot on. There are people on this thread arguing Rooney was better than Lineker who completely miss the point. Rooney has more skill, but Lineker was by far and away the better striker. Rooney couldn't hold a candle to him.
I was 21 then and that whole time was like magic. It was blazing hot in Britain on that day, about 27 degrees. The whole country was rocking with anticipation.
@@samsonwilkinson8090 my mate went to Bangkok. It was gloomy and overcast 30C+ night and day and everywhere stank of piss, stale sweat and cigarette smoke. He saw hens in a cage with half the feathers missing the dying ones feebly pecking at the already dead ones. A total shit hole.
Yes, my brother was at the game and we were all watching on telly and went mad when he was shown in the crowd by the cameras before kickoff……happy days…
Didnt realise Andy Gray did so much TV work before Sky. Fantastic pundit. btw, so refreshing to watch Football from this era, so much better than the poncy stuff that passes off for football in the Premier League.
Andy Gray looked like Freddy Starr ! Lol. When it all came together well just when it looked all pear shaped after losing Robson and Wilkins v Morocco, Beardsley made it all come alive, superb, Lineker just fed off him and the others. Remember this WC well
Glenn Hoddle, such a great player, splitting open defence with diagonal passes, simple lofts, he plans the game like geometry. Greatest of the midfielders ever. And no one knows how to be at the right place at the right time than Linekar. Back then England was a team to respect for
England played some really lovely football, good passing and movement! Can't say much for the Paraguay defending though. Beardsley's reaction for his second goal was superb, anticipating the rebound before it even hit the keeper!
England had some great players during 86’s and 90’s World Cups. In Italy 90 England was the best team and they should have won the World Cup then. From Chile
One of the great mysterious about the 1982 team was Greenwod's decision not to use Hoddle in the second group stage behind brooking and keegan..another issue is why did it take bobby robson so long to play this attacking wide formation in 1986..?
@@kailashpatel1706 Old fashioned lacklustre tactics. Greenwood described Hoddle as a "luxury" player. Robson also liked good runners who spend all day chasing the ball. It probably cost us a chance at winning by not organising our team around Hoddle as the French suggested we should have done.
@@Martin958 the England of 1986 was in transition..but the 1982 team was a grade better, Robson used Hoddle, Greenwood under Don Howe's influence did not..Brooking and Keegan were injured though..
@@kailashpatel1706 Yes Robson used Hoddle, but mostly out of position. If like you suggested, behind the front two, he would have done more to change a game. Instead Robson almost robotically went for a 4-4-2 in every game and pushed Hoddle wide.
For me, that was the best World Cup ever. 8 years old @ the time - almost 46 now & still can't get over it.
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Wow...such a game..England was that marvelous that day...Paraguay was and still is a tough team..not easy to beat..England deserved much more ..they got a superb team...👍
46 different players have scored at World Cups for England but Lineker is comfortably the all-time top poacher, with 10. Harry Kane leaps straight to second with 6 in Russia 2018 while Geoff Hurst is third with 5. Bobby Charlton and Michael Owen are joint fourth with 4 while David Beckham, Steven Gerrard, Roger Hunt, Nat Lofthouse and David Platt all got 3. Ivor Broadis, Tom Finney, Ron Flowers, Trevor Francis, Derek Kevan, Martin Peters, Bryan Robson, Alan Shearer and John Stones are the others who’ve struck more than once.
+kisbie I think Lineker got 10 goals at the World cups 1986. 3 vs Poland, 2 vs Paraguay and 1 vs Argentina 1990. 1 vs Ireland, 2 vs Cameroun and 1 vs Germany :)
Mortan Enni You're right! Not sure why I marked him down one as I went by the list of top scorers in each World Cup in turn adding them up. I can't do 6+4 obviously.
Jose Parcenary What BS. You dont judge a player by how many trophies a club side has won when that side is littered with top class players (Ronaldo made him look ordinary and carried the Man I side most games. In Euro cup crunch games Rooney would go MIA when Ronaldo was working his ass off). You judge a player by what he achieves on his own merit. Rooney is a temperamental sook who has had nearly 100 games with England and has impressed on about several occassions. Lineker delivered when it mattered. Rooney delivers when he feels like it. He scored against all the big teams (Germany, Holland, Argentina, Brazil, France) and not just scoring in friendlies or nothing qualifiers. Playing for Leicester, Everton, Tottenham and the like he lifted those sides despite them being okay teams with promise at the time. Barce were not the team they are today when he played for them but he was still the highest scoring Brit in La Liga till Gareth Bale overtook him in Mar 2016. Some 27 years later. Rooney has never made it outside England as a player or even tried his hand. Awesome sense of self belief not.
Jose Parcenary Who scored 10 goals in 2 World cups and won a Golden boot at the WC in 86.Who has scored one goal in 3 x World cups? Argument lost sunshine.
The pass he did to Gary Steven which resulted in the 3rd goal is beautiful. He must have put some weight on it : side spin, back spin. It looks like he was playing snooker there.
Whenever I watch Gary Lineker play in these crucial World Cup Finals games I am reminded how similar he is in style, modesty, flair and charisma and talent to Wayne Rooney. Someone you can count on in the big games to lift the team and give you a vital goal or two when you need them!!
+aeonflux67 They are completely different IMO. Rooney is a better all-around player, but not as efficient and deadly a striker as Lineker. Lineker was pretty much a one trick wonder, but he did his trick so well that made him world class. Lineker was the Golden boot winner in WC86, added a few more in 1990 WC too. How many goals Rooney scored in WC Finals he involved in?
Someone else has probably made this comment about Andy Grey saying the tournament would be won be a great team, not 1 great player. Never had 1 player carried a team more than Maradona did in that world cup. Andy couldn't have been more wrong on that one.
Hoddle, Barnes, Waddle, Wilkins and Robson. That's a pretty decent midfield England had there. Manager should of built a system accomodating all of them with Hoddle as the play maker instead of a rigid 442 system.
In fact if you study the period properly, it was clear that Reid was simply the best ball carrier for Hoddle (who should have played centre) in the qualifications and pre tourney friendlies, not Wilkins..Hodge was also a clear choice on the left with England defending with a high flat back 4..The only real issue was Waddle where did he fit in?..on the right or as a super sub, he was not the player here like both Barnes and him would be between 1987-1991 yet..When Mexico started Bobby imploded and played Wilkins and injured Robson together and pushed Hoddle on the right, Waddle was played in the centre and the full backs pushed up too high, Hatelely was put in instead for Beardsley..It was poor management
Beardsley and Lineker were a great pairing. IT was odd how Wilkins stupid send off against Morocco and Bryan Robson bowing out to injury after that game allowed the introduction of Beardsley (in place of the ineffective Hately) to revitalise Englands WC campaign. Who knows, if not for the great cheat in the QF, a win was on the cards for 86. Sorry to those who laud Mr Maradona, but his great 2nd goal in the QF was really assisted by the first goal. So extraordinary was that act of shameless cheating that the English were for the next few minutes still in some sort of cathartic state when he went through them for "that" goal. As always, one incident can turn a game.
I've often thought that too when looking back at this game. The players were shocked by what had just happened. Shame this World Cup turned out to be a fraud because apart from that moment it was one of the greatest
Peter James Coleman Designer & Illustrator THe odd thing about Mexico Peter is it seems to be the very place that brings out the worst of English bad luck in WC's. Think QF 1970. 2 - 0 up against Germany with 20 minutes to go and it goes to extra time at 2 - 2. Geoff Hurst scores the first goal in extra time off a pass from Franny Lee which ricochet off a German defenders leg and the "Argentine" (no joke) ref disallows it for what is basically no reason. Watch that match and look at the Hurst goal as its on RUclips. The smiling Argentinian refs face at the end after the final whistle probably says it all (Mission complete). Remember this was the World Cup the latins were really in full hate for England because they misunderstood Alfs comments after the 66 WC QF against Argentina when he called them (the Argo's) "animals." The sent off Captain Rattin (37 minute) refused to go off and stuck his finger up at the Queen on the way off. Alf kind of liked her + he hated bad sports. Innocent enough to refer to the spitting, abusive, referee confronting Argentines as animals that game and making a rude gesture to a woman when u are the captain well...? I dread to think what might happen to ENgland if Mexico hosts another WC. Oh and in the 1970 WC the England team had to travel to Leon in a non airconditioned bus the morning of the match,. 5 hours of tropical heat. The hosts refused the English a plane as they said planes cant land in Leon. Odd given thats how the Germans (who by winning their group got to stay in Leon) got there from Mexico city via Germany. Think that last 30 mins of the QF and the Germans coming back as the stronger team....that bus trip may have played more of a role than one thinks. Few historians note these facts above. If these 2 x Mexican WC's had been played elsewhere (USA etc)....we might have had 2 x more WC's and three stars on our shirt. 4 x stars if stupid Paul Parkers head wasnt in the way of a certain German Brehmers way off target free kick in the 1990 WC semi final.which would have left Linekers 80th minute strike as the winner. Final on against a pathetic Argentina. Would have loved that.
+aeonflux67 But here is my query watch Maradona's sec goal against England, as he runs notice peter reid the prick run along side him and not even make a challenge, not even try and lets Diego score one of the best solo goals in history, as far as I am concerned Reid should not have been on the pitch.....
+aeonflux67 I think it's too easy to attribute WC 1970 just as "bad luck". If you are not able to defend a 2-0 lead for 30 minutes remaining it's your fault in the first place. That disallowed goal from Hurst was questionable, tough. Never find a clear reason for myself, probably it was Offside flagged. Also, to be fair (and this is hardly ever mentioned) when Germany was 3-2 in the lead already a penalty for England was refused that was a penalty so obvious ... unbelievable. No one denies England was unlucky this evening, also with the ref decisions ... but was it on purpose? We don't know. Germany had the younger team, btw. which is why they had more stamina. With the Rattin story ... yes, he refused to go off and the usual interpretation is "look at this unsportsmanlike behaviour - Argentina, of course". The full story is he's been sent off for "complaining" too much. Well, I don't know how much he complained and which words he used but to sent someone off for this is ... ummm ... harsh? Controversial? And if you are talking about England being denied a plane in Mexiko 1970 ... who let Portugal travel throughout the whole country just before a not so unimportant semi final 1966?
svenner80 Some good points Svenner. I dont think travelling through England is such a big deal given its about the size of a postage stamp and no one knew Portugal and England would meet from game 1. As for Rattins send off. Well the ref in that match was German. So I think the idea he would be doing the English a favor over enforcing what he saw as a breach of the rules of conduct by a player would be obvious. If you watch the game and watch Rattins harrassment of the official you can see for yourself he was living on borrowed time. Sticking the finger up to the Queen - post send off - who is only a spectator does not help your cause either. He needed to man up and leave the field with the knowledge he let his team mates down badly as the captain and role model he was meant to be. Being rude to a woman (regardless of status) in the process only added to his mediocre place in the games history. Not being able to defend a 2 - 0 lead is not a crime. The game at the top level is knife edge when teams are evenly matched. A bad official can be the difference or a bad coaching decision or one lapse in concentration or the loss of key personnel during or before the match. England had at least 2/4 for that list. I personally blame Alf Ramsey for his stupidity too. To me he was blind to the effect the weather had on the defenders (Labone and Cooper should have come off as they were past able to keep up with fresh German forwards subbed in). Mullery would have been more replaceable than Peters or Charlton. . The point of the no plane business was that the refusal to allow England to fly to Leon meant a 5+ hour bus trip in 40C 100% humidity on crap roads that prolonged the journey. Germany winning their group didnt have to move. Which is their + and right as group winnders but they had planed in so that proved the Mexican authorities reasoning for the England team was just bull manure. The refusal to give England a plane was argued by the Mexican organisers as being based on no decent airport to handle such flights. Er.....yeah....ok! Whatever! It was a strange World Cup too in that there was no seeding. England and Brazil in one group? And quite solid teams like Czech and Romania. And then groups like this: Soviet Union Mexico Belgium El Salvador (and this group was very significant as the same dumb ref from England/W German QF handed Mexico a gift against Belgium so some form there for bias). And if you ever watched the Hurst goal closely in the QF stage, notice it cant be offside. Lee has rounded the Germans from the byline and the pass ricochets off a German defenders leg to Hurst. The ref simply had motive. Just as he gave a weak free kick leading to Germans second goal where the was also climbing on an England defender that followed = question mark refereeing. Fitter German team is debatable. On average not much difference in real terms. There was however the idea that E German officials who crossed over were behind some of the German footballs sports medicine and performance enhancing nohow .As we know with E German sports that is a worry Read this: www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2385160/Germany-accused-widespread-doping-decades--including-football-matches-England.html Whether that is true or not....well. It makes for interesting reading. That FIFA are as corrupt and have been for a long time as the Olympic committe is no doubting.
There is some truth to what you say. Perhaps the question is, does Argentina win it without him? We'll never know. But they were fortunate to not have to play France or Brazil.
@@kailashpatel1706 I spoke to Alvin Martin about him getting dropped and he told me that Robson told him that he was saving him for the Semi-Final (strange as it sounds).
@@CIMAmotor look at some of the players that did not make the '82' squad, Regis, Morley, Cunningham, Devonshire, Martin..i rated that squad well above this the '86' team (Waddle and Barnes were not the players they would eventually become)..Greenwood had some diamonds there..
These were the days when England could actually put sustained pressure around their opponents penalty area, something they haven't been able to do since Euro 2004
"It's gonna take a good team rather than a great individual to win this world cup" - spot on as usual, Andy Gray, take a bow son. Everything went through the elegant two-footed genius Hoddle there, i notice. Yet he didn't seem to get a mention.
Woulda, coulda. Same old story. England break my heart every 4 years. West Germany in '70, Argentina (albiet grosslly unjust) in '86, penalties against Germany in '90, not even getting out of their group in 2014! And Hodgson kept his job!!?? I dread to think what may happen this time round. Of course I'll be watching.
England always suspicious of playmakers and resorted to 4-4-2.this 86 world cup it had skillful playmakers hoddle,barnes,waddle,beardsley.breathtaking forwards like lineker,hately,dixon.
Yo como sudamericano, sé muy bien que Paraguay y Uruguay tienen un juego sucio, en ese partido estaba contento que Inglaterra ganó. Saludos, excelente material
2 goals made by Hoddle. Why wasn't he an ever present? Too good for the managers perhaps? He controlled midfield. Imagine if he'd been German, Dutch, Brazilian...100 caps. Not here. Didn't work hard enough! Rubbish.
All the bullshit about Maradona winning the cup on his own.. Total myth. Sure he stood out for his brilliance (and cheating) but to say he won it on his own is rubbish. Does a discredit to the rest of the team. They were a well balanced, hard working, defensively strong, and skillful side that happened to have a genius in it.
Much as it pains me to say it, we were second rate in the quarterfinal and the person most responsible for the hand of God goal was Steve Hodge. We were piss poor up until 0-2 and the subsequent introduction of Barnes and even then the upright saved us from a Tapia thunderbolt. If any side could do the Argies in that WC, it was Les Bleus who were simply out of this world that summer.
totally agree...but England should with the quality of their team have done to Portugal and Morocco what they did to Poland and Paraguay, who were all the same standard of opposition, shame Bobby stumbled late on his best team...
hoddle was the only one who could unlock defenses, but he wilted against Argentina. They beat us in every position on the pitch and hit the post at 2-1 anyway. That would have killed off any nonsense about the hand of god.
Yep...Peter Beardsley has admitted as such and Hoddle and the wide men never got into the match...One key point about this touney was Bobby Robson not understanding the team he wanted to play from the beginning...Playing mark hately was a mistake...In the build up to the '90' cup he was much clearer about his team..that lack of clarity almost cost England, Portugal (at the time( and Morroco were no better then Poland or Paraguay..They should have swept the group..
If Robson had started with Hodge/Steven-Stevens wide men and Beardsley up front against Portugal, England would have swept the group..no excuses..Portugal and Morocco were no better in quality then Poland and Paraguay..Robson as Emlym Hughes said was culpable..
changei world cup 90, je pense. Ils n'auraient pas battu les argentins même si la "main de dieu" avait été invalidée. La défense anglaise était très fragile.
There's been a massive over-reaction between two individuals here which i feel i unwittingly initiated when i stated that Wayne Rooney couldn't lace Lineker's boots.Since then all hell has broken loose with these two individuals.I am going to bottom line this Rooney Vs Lineker Debate once and for all. Statistically Rooney is head and shoulders above Gary on everything he's achieved apart for one, his performances in the World Cup.Now i should have said this in the first place rather than coming out with the throw away line i originally choose, anyway i hope that clears things up.
Lineker was very good Player in World-Cups 1986 , 1990 ,,he scoered many wonderful Goals ,but I wished to see him in Euro-Cup 1992 with English Team at that time cause he was great Player .
Some of Hoddle's touches and passes in this match are truly sensational.
He was an absolute wizard in midfield. I don't know that England has ever had a player since who can find such magical passes over and over again.
I was 25 in '86 and the amount of stick Hoddle used to get from England fans back then convinced me that the average Joe Bloggs England supporter knows bugger all about football. If Hoddle had been German, Dutch or Brazilian he would have won 100 plus caps instead of the paltry 53 he got for England. Superb passer, his vision was second to none and he knew where the goal was too.
No wonder we've won nowt for 54 years.
Should have built the team around him .He was very similar to bernd schuster the German midfield player who was at Barcelona.
Aye, that 'Chip' vs Watford in 83 was an example of his genius the Legend..
@@shoutinghorse spot on you are 👏👍
Gary Lineker was a very smart striker. Consider this - he didn't have a great technically ability like the likes of Hoddle; couldn't dribble like Barnes; wasn't a strong tall target man like his successor Alan Shearer; he made his living through his runs. His amazing sense and awareness to get into the right place at the right time. Just so sharp with his mind. He and Ian Rush dominated the English football scene as I was growing up. I couldn't decide who was the better striker then. But now I would say Lineker. Based on the fact that, Rush only did well with Liverpool, couldn't repeat the same scoring feat, be it with Juve or Wales. Lineker, though, scored everywhere he went. Leicester, Everton, Spurs, Barcelona, England. He always scored!
+Andes Tung
I like to compare him with Klose. Lineker and Klose are certainly among the smartest strikers football world has ever seen.
Lineker had a decent technique and was fast btw. But he gets underestimated on this, just like Klose. They've hardly lost the ball due to a bad first touch. They've both been fast in the open spaces and couldn't be caught be the defenders.
They've also did not struggled in the dribbling. It wasn't spectacular but always solid enough to not get into trouble but at the same time acceptable risks were taken to create a chance for themselves or the team.
Looks more to me like prime Torres at Liverpool.
Spot on. There are people on this thread arguing Rooney was better than Lineker who completely miss the point. Rooney has more skill, but Lineker was by far and away the better striker. Rooney couldn't hold a candle to him.
Sometimes he got bored up there on his own so dropped deep looking for work and didn't look bad in midfield either!
I was in the Azteca 28 years ago today. Great game. Peter Kitchin - Chester.
Why lie?
@@italkedtobarzini4015 😂🤣😂
I was 21 then and that whole time was like magic. It was blazing hot in Britain on that day, about 27 degrees. The whole country was rocking with anticipation.
27 degrees blazing hot? Thailand today: "Hold my beer."
@@samsonwilkinson8090 my mate went to Bangkok. It was gloomy and overcast 30C+ night and day and everywhere stank of piss, stale sweat and cigarette smoke. He saw hens in a cage with half the feathers missing the dying ones feebly pecking at the already dead ones. A total shit hole.
@@TomBartram-b1c 😂🤣🤣😂
Yes, my brother was at the game and we were all watching on telly and went mad when he was shown in the crowd by the cameras before kickoff……happy days…
Didnt realise Andy Gray did so much TV work before Sky. Fantastic pundit. btw, so refreshing to watch Football from this era, so much better than the poncy stuff that passes off for football in the Premier League.
Andy Gray looked like Freddy Starr ! Lol. When it all came together well just when it looked all pear shaped after losing Robson and Wilkins v Morocco, Beardsley made it all come alive, superb, Lineker just fed off him and the others. Remember this WC well
Glen Hoddle was so so good. His range of passing is as good as I've ever seen in any player from any era.
Too bad he's a prick.
He could strike a great shot too and scored some amazing goals in his time. Brilliant class footballer
Glenn Hoddle, such a great player, splitting open defence with diagonal passes, simple lofts, he plans the game like geometry. Greatest of the midfielders ever. And no one knows how to be at the right place at the right time than Linekar. Back then England was a team to respect for
The only game in which Gary A Stevens, Trevor Steven and Gary M Stevens all played for England at the same time
@@mdacheets what about him ?
Explain.....
@@mdacheets haha. Ok.
Well I am chuckling now at your honesty.
Keep well bud 👍
England played some really lovely football, good passing and movement! Can't say much for the Paraguay defending though. Beardsley's reaction for his second goal was superb, anticipating the rebound before it even hit the keeper!
England had some great players during 86’s and 90’s World Cups. In Italy 90 England was the best team and they should have won the World Cup then. From Chile
Don't forget the 82' team who went out without actually losing a game.
One of the great mysterious about the 1982 team was Greenwod's decision not to use Hoddle in the second group stage behind brooking and keegan..another issue is why did it take bobby robson so long to play this attacking wide formation in 1986..?
@@kailashpatel1706 Old fashioned lacklustre tactics. Greenwood described Hoddle as a "luxury" player. Robson also liked good runners who spend all day chasing the ball. It probably cost us a chance at winning by not organising our team around Hoddle as the French suggested we should have done.
@@Martin958 the England of 1986 was in transition..but the 1982 team was a grade better, Robson used Hoddle, Greenwood under Don Howe's influence did not..Brooking and Keegan were injured though..
@@kailashpatel1706 Yes Robson used Hoddle, but mostly out of position. If like you suggested, behind the front two, he would have done more to change a game. Instead Robson almost robotically went for a 4-4-2 in every game and pushed Hoddle wide.
"Charming old fellow he is." He's after your job mate.
Andy Gray showing he was as insightful and full of knowledge back then as he has always been..................
For me, that was the best World Cup ever. 8 years old @ the time - almost 46 now & still can't get over it.
Wow...such a game..England was that marvelous that day...Paraguay was and still is a tough team..not easy to beat..England deserved much more ..they got a superb team...👍
Des was an easy choice to front the BBC coverage of the 1986 World Cup.
46 different players have scored at World Cups for England but Lineker is comfortably the all-time top poacher, with 10. Harry Kane leaps straight to second with 6 in Russia 2018 while Geoff Hurst is third with 5.
Bobby Charlton and Michael Owen are joint fourth with 4 while David Beckham, Steven Gerrard, Roger Hunt, Nat Lofthouse and David Platt all got 3.
Ivor Broadis, Tom Finney, Ron Flowers, Trevor Francis, Derek Kevan, Martin Peters, Bryan Robson, Alan Shearer and John Stones are the others who’ve struck more than once.
+kisbie
I think Lineker got 10 goals at the World cups
1986. 3 vs Poland, 2 vs Paraguay and 1 vs Argentina
1990. 1 vs Ireland, 2 vs Cameroun and 1 vs Germany :)
Mortan Enni You're right! Not sure why I marked him down one as I went by the list of top scorers in each World Cup in turn adding them up. I can't do 6+4 obviously.
Its fine...haha
I think Ive seen all his England-goals about 1000 times when I was a kid
Geoff Hurst the luckiest player ever, was never a top striker, Lineker was
Thanks to RUclips, I can now edit my comment, so it's been corrected (and will be updated as the years go by.) ;)
For Lineker to be top scorer of WC 86 when Maradona was at his peak and played two more games than he did = a sure sign he was Wayne Rooneys equal.
I'll think you'll find Wayne Rooney couldn't lace Gary Lineker's boots
karatebuff
lol that was my point.
Jose Parcenary
What BS. You dont judge a player by how many trophies a club side has won when that side is littered with top class players (Ronaldo made him look ordinary and carried the Man I side most games. In Euro cup crunch games Rooney would go MIA when Ronaldo was working his ass off). You judge a player by what he achieves on his own merit. Rooney is a temperamental sook who has had nearly 100 games with England and has impressed on about several occassions. Lineker delivered when it mattered. Rooney delivers when he feels like it. He scored against all the big teams (Germany, Holland, Argentina, Brazil, France) and not just scoring in friendlies or nothing qualifiers. Playing for Leicester, Everton, Tottenham and the like he lifted those sides despite them being okay teams with promise at the time. Barce were not the team they are today when he played for them but he was still the highest scoring Brit in La Liga till Gareth Bale overtook him in Mar 2016. Some 27 years later. Rooney has never made it outside England as a player or even tried his hand. Awesome sense of self belief not.
Jose Parcenary
Who scored 10 goals in 2 World cups and won a Golden boot at the WC in 86.Who has scored one goal in 3 x World cups? Argument lost sunshine.
Shy Guava 11 goals
Glenn Hoddles defence splitting passes going largely unheralded as usual.
The pass he did to Gary Steven which resulted in the 3rd goal is beautiful. He must have put some weight on it : side spin, back spin. It looks like he was playing snooker there.
Hoddle was playing 21st century football even back then. Miles and miles ahead of everyone.
Brazil '82 played Buck Rogers stuff then
Andy Gray was definately ahead of his time as a pundit
Whenever I watch Gary Lineker play in these crucial World Cup Finals games I am reminded how similar he is in style, modesty, flair and charisma and talent to Wayne Rooney. Someone you can count on in the big games to lift the team and give you a vital goal or two when you need them!!
+aeonflux67 They are completely different IMO. Rooney is a better all-around player, but not as efficient and deadly a striker as Lineker. Lineker was pretty much a one trick wonder, but he did his trick so well that made him world class. Lineker was the Golden boot winner in WC86, added a few more in 1990 WC too. How many goals Rooney scored in WC Finals he involved in?
Andes Tung
I was being sarcastic.
Lineker 10 goals in 2 World Cups , Rooney 1 in 4 . Hardley some one you could count on in big games
Hoodle was a class act .
So nice to hear some pundits actually talking calmly, not yelling at the viewers
MY IDOLS PLAYING THERE LINEKER AND BEARDSLEY
There really was no need for that kind of comment.
I'm reporting you to RUclips.
Good England side that in 86
Someone else has probably made this comment about Andy Grey saying the tournament would be won be a great team, not 1 great player. Never had 1 player carried a team more than Maradona did in that world cup. Andy couldn't have been more wrong on that one.
6,53 "We've got a marvellous match coming up against Argentina" OMG, you have NO idea!
Hoddle touch and though ball 👏🏻
Class act was Hod, sublime footballer :-)
Hoddle, Barnes, Waddle, Wilkins and Robson. That's a pretty decent midfield England had there. Manager should of built a system accomodating all of them with Hoddle as the play maker instead of a rigid 442 system.
In fact if you study the period properly, it was clear that Reid was simply the best ball carrier for Hoddle (who should have played centre) in the qualifications and pre tourney friendlies, not Wilkins..Hodge was also a clear choice on the left with England defending with a high flat back 4..The only real issue was Waddle where did he fit in?..on the right or as a super sub, he was not the player here like both Barnes and him would be between 1987-1991 yet..When Mexico started Bobby imploded and played Wilkins and injured Robson together and pushed Hoddle on the right, Waddle was played in the centre and the full backs pushed up too high, Hatelely was put in instead for Beardsley..It was poor management
I remember coming home from school and watching this
LoLzZ85 where did you live ?
Beardsley and Lineker were a great pairing. IT was odd how Wilkins stupid send off against Morocco and Bryan Robson bowing out to injury after that game allowed the introduction of Beardsley (in place of the ineffective Hately) to revitalise Englands WC campaign. Who knows, if not for the great cheat in the QF, a win was on the cards for 86. Sorry to those who laud Mr Maradona, but his great 2nd goal in the QF was really assisted by the first goal. So extraordinary was that act of shameless cheating that the English were for the next few minutes still in some sort of cathartic state when he went through them for "that" goal. As always, one incident can turn a game.
I've often thought that too when looking back at this game. The players were shocked by what had just happened. Shame this World Cup turned out to be a fraud because apart from that moment it was one of the greatest
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THe odd thing about Mexico Peter is it seems to be the very place that brings out the worst of English bad luck in WC's. Think QF 1970. 2 - 0 up against Germany with 20 minutes to go and it goes to extra time at 2 - 2. Geoff Hurst scores the first goal in extra time off a pass from Franny Lee which ricochet off a German defenders leg and the "Argentine" (no joke) ref disallows it for what is basically no reason. Watch that match and look at the Hurst goal as its on RUclips. The smiling Argentinian refs face at the end after the final whistle probably says it all (Mission complete). Remember this was the World Cup the latins were really in full hate for England because they misunderstood Alfs comments after the 66 WC QF against Argentina when he called them (the Argo's) "animals." The sent off Captain Rattin (37 minute) refused to go off and stuck his finger up at the Queen on the way off. Alf kind of liked her + he hated bad sports. Innocent enough to refer to the spitting, abusive, referee confronting Argentines as animals that game and making a rude gesture to a woman when u are the captain well...? I dread to think what might happen to ENgland if Mexico hosts another WC. Oh and in the 1970 WC the England team had to travel to Leon in a non airconditioned bus the morning of the match,. 5 hours of tropical heat. The hosts refused the English a plane as they said planes cant land in Leon. Odd given thats how the Germans (who by winning their group got to stay in Leon) got there from Mexico city via Germany. Think that last 30 mins of the QF and the Germans coming back as the stronger team....that bus trip may have played more of a role than one thinks. Few historians note these facts above. If these 2 x Mexican WC's had been played elsewhere (USA etc)....we might have had 2 x more WC's and three stars on our shirt. 4 x stars if stupid Paul Parkers head wasnt in the way of a certain German Brehmers way off target free kick in the 1990 WC semi final.which would have left Linekers 80th minute strike as the winner. Final on against a pathetic Argentina. Would have loved that.
+aeonflux67 But here is my query watch Maradona's sec goal against England, as he runs notice peter reid the prick run along side him and not even make a challenge, not even try and lets Diego score one of the best solo goals in history, as far as I am concerned Reid should not have been on the pitch.....
+aeonflux67
I think it's too easy to attribute WC 1970 just as "bad luck". If you are not able to defend a 2-0 lead for 30 minutes remaining it's your fault in the first place. That disallowed goal from Hurst was questionable, tough. Never find a clear reason for myself, probably it was Offside flagged.
Also, to be fair (and this is hardly ever mentioned) when Germany was 3-2 in the lead already a penalty for England was refused that was a penalty so obvious ... unbelievable. No one denies England was unlucky this evening, also with the ref decisions ... but was it on purpose? We don't know.
Germany had the younger team, btw. which is why they had more stamina.
With the Rattin story ... yes, he refused to go off and the usual interpretation is "look at this unsportsmanlike behaviour - Argentina, of course". The full story is he's been sent off for "complaining" too much. Well, I don't know how much he complained and which words he used but to sent someone off for this is ... ummm ... harsh? Controversial?
And if you are talking about England being denied a plane in Mexiko 1970 ... who let Portugal travel throughout the whole country just before a not so unimportant semi final 1966?
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Some good points Svenner. I dont think travelling through England is such a big deal given its about the size of a postage stamp and no one knew Portugal and England would meet from game 1.
As for Rattins send off. Well the ref in that match was German. So I think the idea he would be doing the English a favor over enforcing what he saw as a breach of the rules of conduct by a player would be obvious. If you watch the game and watch Rattins harrassment of the official you can see for yourself he was living on borrowed time. Sticking the finger up to the Queen - post send off - who is only a spectator does not help your cause either. He needed to man up and leave the field with the knowledge he let his team mates down badly as the captain and role model he was meant to be. Being rude to a woman (regardless of status) in the process only added to his mediocre place in the games history.
Not being able to defend a 2 - 0 lead is not a crime. The game at the top level is knife edge when teams are evenly matched. A bad official can be the difference or a bad coaching decision or one lapse in concentration or the loss of key personnel during or before the match. England had at least 2/4 for that list. I personally blame Alf Ramsey for his stupidity too. To me he was blind to the effect the weather had on the defenders (Labone and Cooper should have come off as they were past able to keep up with fresh German forwards subbed in). Mullery would have been more replaceable than Peters or Charlton.
. The point of the no plane business was that the refusal to allow England to fly to Leon meant a 5+ hour bus trip in 40C 100% humidity on crap roads that prolonged the journey. Germany winning their group didnt have to move. Which is their + and right as group winnders but they had planed in so that proved the Mexican authorities reasoning for the England team was just bull manure. The refusal to give England a plane was argued by the Mexican organisers as being based on no decent airport to handle such flights. Er.....yeah....ok! Whatever!
It was a strange World Cup too in that there was no seeding. England and Brazil in one group? And quite solid teams like Czech and Romania. And then groups like this: Soviet Union Mexico Belgium El Salvador (and this group was very significant as the same dumb ref from England/W German QF handed Mexico a gift against Belgium so some form there for bias).
And if you ever watched the Hurst goal closely in the QF stage, notice it cant be offside. Lee has rounded the Germans from the byline and the pass ricochets off a German defenders leg to Hurst. The ref simply had motive. Just as he gave a weak free kick leading to Germans second goal where the was also climbing on an England defender that followed = question mark refereeing.
Fitter German team is debatable. On average not much difference in real terms. There was however the idea that E German officials who crossed over were behind some of the German footballs sports medicine and performance enhancing nohow .As we know with E German sports that is a worry Read this: www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2385160/Germany-accused-widespread-doping-decades--including-football-matches-England.html
Whether that is true or not....well. It makes for interesting reading. That FIFA are as corrupt and have been for a long time as the Olympic committe is no doubting.
“Gonna take a good team, rather than a great individual to win the World Cup this year”..how wrong he was.
There is some truth to what you say. Perhaps the question is, does Argentina win it without him? We'll never know. But they were fortunate to not have to play France or Brazil.
@Antonio Sapienza I agree. But I can't remember what i said first to lead to your reply. Hopefully it wasn't something rash. J
Argentina were a great team.
How wrong was Andy Gray. A great player - not a great team, won it.
spot on...
Argentina were a great team; they were much more than just Maradona..
Hoddle was a beautiful player.
Remember when football was good?
I remember when nostalgia was better as well
typical You Tube comment
You must admit the 2018 WC was enjoyable no matter your age
I do and you’re so right. Great time’s . Proper footballers. Hoddle, Lineker, Beardsley et al.
Lol @ the little snarl Andy Gray gives when he says Gary Lineker's name!! Still not forgotten what happened the previous summer?
gary lineker su carta fuerte junto con jhon barnes y peter shylton buen equipo
Barnes no era ni titular.
Solo jugó bien 10 mintos en cuartos de final.
Why did you drop Alvin Martin for the quarter against Argentina?
argentina saw the weakness of fenwick, martin as a much better defender..
@@kailashpatel1706 I spoke to Alvin Martin about him getting dropped and he told me that Robson told him that he was saving him for the Semi-Final (strange as it sounds).
@@CIMAmotor did Martin miss the cut for the '82' squad in spain?
@@kailashpatel1706 He was injured before the tournament (I think Alan Devonshire was also which is a real shame).
@@CIMAmotor look at some of the players that did not make the '82' squad, Regis, Morley, Cunningham, Devonshire, Martin..i rated that squad well above this the '86' team (Waddle and Barnes were not the players they would eventually become)..Greenwood had some diamonds there..
8:06 Charming young fella. If only he knew Gary would one day steal his job!
1-0 Gary Lineker (31 min)
2-0 Peter Beardsley (56 min)
3-0 Gary Lineker (72 min)
Remember this game, I’ve forgotten how good we were.
Who was the Kevin doing the interviews?
Listen how quickly John Motson says, “how quickly…….”
Glenn Hoddle was such a wonderful passer of the ball
'It's going to take a great team rather than a great individual to win this world cup.' Great punditry alright.
These were the days when England could actually put sustained pressure around their opponents penalty area, something they haven't been able to do since Euro 2004
won othing then also
Peter Reid! An unsung hero in Mexico 86 im
"It's gonna take a good team rather than a great individual to win this world cup" - spot on as usual, Andy Gray, take a bow son.
Everything went through the elegant two-footed genius Hoddle there, i notice. Yet he didn't seem to get a mention.
Andy was wrong
It is Maradona individual skill that won that WC
Shocking miss by Beardsley after he did the hard work 5:34
Woulda, coulda. Same old story. England break my heart every 4 years. West Germany in '70, Argentina (albiet grosslly unjust) in '86, penalties against Germany in '90, not even getting out of their group in 2014! And Hodgson kept his job!!?? I dread to think what may happen this time round. Of course I'll be watching.
Raheem could learn from lineker and Beardsley in terms of being on his toes and reacting
Mexico 86 Best World Cup cup ever
8:06 and he’s going to take your job Des! 🤣
who's watching this with their eyes?
Wonderful...
Andy Gray: it's gonna take a great team not just a great individual to win this World Cup.
Oh. Well you got THAT wrong!
Andy Gray has been getting it Wrong since the 80’s
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Predicting that a great team rather a great individual is going to win the 1986 world cup… WRONG
England always suspicious of playmakers and resorted to 4-4-2.this 86 world cup it had skillful playmakers hoddle,barnes,waddle,beardsley.breathtaking forwards like lineker,hately,dixon.
@ his headers finish are all magnificently scored.powerful forward.looks like u the one who has fever
Yo como sudamericano, sé muy bien que Paraguay y Uruguay tienen un juego sucio, en ese partido estaba contento que Inglaterra ganó. Saludos, excelente material
2 goals made by Hoddle. Why wasn't he an ever present? Too good for the managers perhaps? He controlled midfield. Imagine if he'd been German, Dutch, Brazilian...100 caps. Not here. Didn't work hard enough! Rubbish.
All goals arranged by Hoddle...
El de la miniatura pareceel Dibu
Ese paraguay con los jugadores q tenia era para jugar mejor al futbol cabañas romero nuñez mendoza en fin pero ese inglaterra un gran equipo
Y los paraguas?
Who else by Gary Lineker
Lineker caído em campo e ninguém colocou a bola pra fora para ele ser atendido....
es pq estabamos en racha
I wish Beardsley had put that second chance away.
England was a Great team and without the shameful hand of Maradona should have join the final
MY IDOLS ENGLAND LINEKER. HODDLE. BUTCHER
All the bullshit about Maradona winning the cup on his own.. Total myth. Sure he stood out for his brilliance (and cheating) but to say he won it on his own is rubbish. Does a discredit to the rest of the team. They were a well balanced, hard working, defensively strong, and skillful side that happened to have a genius in it.
Much as it pains me to say it, we were second rate in the quarterfinal and the person most responsible for the hand of God goal was Steve Hodge. We were piss poor up until 0-2 and the subsequent introduction of Barnes and even then the upright saved us from a Tapia thunderbolt. If any side could do the Argies in that WC, it was Les Bleus who were simply out of this world that summer.
totally agree...but England should with the quality of their team have done to Portugal and Morocco what they did to Poland and Paraguay, who were all the same standard of opposition, shame Bobby stumbled late on his best team...
Shouldn’t it be 2-0?
before the first goal of England there was fault against the paraguayan backcentre
hoddle was the only one who could unlock defenses, but he wilted against Argentina. They beat us in every position on the pitch and hit the post at 2-1 anyway. That would have killed off any nonsense about the hand of god.
Yep...Peter Beardsley has admitted as such and Hoddle and the wide men never got into the match...One key point about this touney was Bobby Robson not understanding the team he wanted to play from the beginning...Playing mark hately was a mistake...In the build up to the '90' cup he was much clearer about his team..that lack of clarity almost cost England, Portugal (at the time( and Morroco were no better then Poland or Paraguay..They should have swept the group..
Hoddle disappeared from the Argentina game..
What was nonsense about the 'hand of God'? The goal should have been disallowed and Maradona should have been sent off.
@ so should Fenwick..!..
@ it was nonsense that the only difference between the two teams was the hand of god..When England were completely outplayed for 70 mins..
5:22 AWFUL DIVE !!!
Twat
Lineker what a sniper, England should of won the World Cup, but Maradona and Argentina stopped them.
They won 2 games
Bet gary could've murdered a bag of crisps after that
that Gary can take chances up the City blue army
I love the English and deny the scorer of the World Cup
Lineker was on hand alright....unfortunately Maradona was in the next match to😬🙄
5:26 TERRIBLE dive !!! :(
If Robson had started with Hodge/Steven-Stevens wide men and Beardsley up front against Portugal, England would have swept the group..no excuses..Portugal and Morocco were no better in quality then Poland and Paraguay..Robson as Emlym Hughes said was culpable..
England was lucky. Chilavert not played that day. ⚽⚽⚽
Gary Lineker, ostracised for being great.. Scotland wouldn't like it, in that world cup. Not nearly enough head butts.
England could and should have won the world cup then.
changei world cup 90, je pense.
Ils n'auraient pas battu les argentins même si la "main de dieu" avait été invalidée.
La défense anglaise était très fragile.
MrJeepsters Please translate in English
changei They wouldn't have beat the argies even if the hand of God Goal had been disallowed.
changei a few other people from different countries - Denmark, Spain, Brazil, France etc will be saying the same thing about their sides!
Mark Ganus i agree i think argentina still whould of won it handbal or no handball
There's been a massive over-reaction between two individuals here which i feel i unwittingly initiated when i stated that Wayne Rooney couldn't lace Lineker's boots.Since then all hell has broken loose with these two individuals.I am going to bottom line this Rooney Vs Lineker Debate once and for all. Statistically Rooney is head and shoulders above Gary on everything he's achieved apart for one, his performances in the World Cup.Now i should have said this in the first place rather than coming out with the throw away line i originally choose, anyway i hope that clears things up.
Lineker show
Lineker was very good Player in World-Cups 1986 , 1990 ,,he scoered many wonderful Goals ,but I wished to see him in Euro-Cup 1992 with English Team at that time cause he was great Player .
samanth Nikoses Lineker was the England captain for the Euro92 competition, and played in all the matches England were involved in.
Paraguay are worst off all south American teams England as usual wood lose to first good team they play just like in every tournament
los paraguayos como siempre queriendo ganar de brabucones
i think butcher is bit of a racist