Thanks for having us! It was great come down and spend the day with you making noise. If anyone has any questions, feel free to drop them to us here and we'll answer what we can!
Woah, so you don’t need the power amp switch found on your amp recreations anymore? This pedals just “knows” whether it’s being plugged into a traditional amp or being used direct? (Love your pedals, and use your amp recreations for direct recording with the new IR’S)
@@bleeknoir That's what the POST-EQ is. 'FLAT' is essentially the new name for P/AMP mode. Given you can use that mode into Cab Sims, Power-Amps and otherwise, it made sense to us to make the name more neutral.
@@OriginEffectsUKThanks so much for the reply. It’s going to be a very ‘origin’ Christmas in my house this year, with a Deluxe 61 and a Halcyon Blue on the way.
I've said this on other Tweed video comment sections, but I want to spread it for those who want that sound and will never be able to afford one (or even this £279 pedal): The Vox Valvetronix series (VT15 in particular) has phenomenal Tweed modeling, especially the Twin Reverb. Plus their model of the AC15 with treble boost built in. There is so much value to be had in that corner of the used market. Some people have called the amp's valve a gimmick but it definitely adds something to its warmth and the way it responds.
It's immediately obvious which is which, because we can see the wiring of the switcher. That being said, this is obviously a great pedal that is going to sell a lot of units. Another winner from Origin Effects.
Great video, what a tone straight into the amp! Not sure how much the Origin Effects pedal is, but a relatively affordable alternative is the Crazy Tube Cicuits Falcon, about £150 I think. I got one over the summer for a Neil Young gig I did last weekend; it was incredible and did the Tweed on the verge of exploding tone really well.
Such a great demo and explanation. My original query was about this pedal going into the front of the amp, and that was addressed with the amazing EQ functionality. And the pre-amp valve option - wow!
I did get the amp/pedal compare right, but I am also wanting to say I am really impressed with how great that pedal sounds. Excellent piece of kit! Great video!
You have to be in the room with these amps. They have a very complex, woody, and 3 dimensional sound, that must be experienced live and in person, to be fully appreciated.
Wow, great sounds! Brilliant job on the pedal! And the best recommendation is always when someone just wants to continue playing! Enough said! Total success!
Great video, I’m buying this pedal asap. Once you’d changed the tube for the “correct” one in the real amp, I found the pedal more or less indistinguishable. Possibly a hair more top end clarity, a hair less compressed and a hair less nasal in the midrange…could just be a difference in settings though. Awesome product and demo of said product.
Asbestos: first time I hear this important issue being addressed in a video on vintage amps. Indeed it is an issue and this kept me away from allowing vintage amps into my house.
@ Possibly, however blackface amps with frontpanel are less likely to have asbestos as heatshield. Take the amp outside, wear a mask and take the backplate off. If there is a greyish, cement-like board glued as heat protection to the pine or plywood backplate, you should get this professionally removed and cleaned.
When I tried a model of a Tweed in the QC (5F8-A) for the first time, I was so surprised that I could get a Marshall sound from it. Really cool and underrated amps imho 🔥
although I've never played a UA Woodrow in person, this Deluxe55 sounds so much closer to a real 5E3 based on the various videos I've seen of both pedals. Been watching this channel for several years and I have to say this is the best tone they've ever had on the show. Both the real amp and the pedal sounded fantastic. With headphones I could hear all of the nuances of a 5E3....that spitty raspiness, warm/round tone. It sounded great clean with some hair on it and also sounded great when it was cranked up and ready to explode. This is top notch
received the pedal today - holy shit - what a fu....ing great pedal !!! best overdriven sound i´ve ever heard ! increadible ... i´m speachless - never been so impressed by a pedal
For anyone who doesn’t mind DIY and using a soldering iron you can build great clones of vintage amplifiers. The schematics are easily available and lots of companies to get all the parts you need from.
Sounds great...I run my tweed a hot clean, then boost it with a ts9 as a first stage, RC booster as second, then an eq pedal after them for solo boosts...magic!
I’ve got the UA Woodrow which as far as I’m concerned is a faithful recreation of the Tweed Deluxe. Would love to see a comparison between the two, but the UA comes complete with cabs and a fantastic ‘room’ knob for presence. I don’t know if the Origin has me selling my Woodrow just yet.
I owned the Dream and Ruby for a couple years.. then picked up a Woodrow when I saw one on Craigslist for $120 in mint condition(!) and it has since become my fav UAFX pedal by far. I cannot fathom why it is so unpopular compared to the Ruby and Dream, which are both great pedals, but the Woodrow actually FEELS like an amp when you play, that perfect tube sag and just the right kinda flub when playing an old Harmony Rocket through a cranked Woodrow... best $120 I've ever spent on gear, hands down!
Well, I have the Woodrow as well and the main difference is latency - when I play a hollow-body, e.g. ES-330 / Casino, through the Woodrow, the tone comes clearly after I feel the string vibration in my chest. The OE pedals are analog, their latency can't even be measured using available tools. I do have the OE Deluxe 61 and Magma 57 pedals and do prefer them over digital every day - obviously, I have not tried the Deluxe 55 yet...
@@uwedasler425 I play a casino (as well as Jazzmaster and tele) through the Woodrow and have never had latency problems. Has always sounded brilliant to my ears!
@@lincolnshaw5667 Listen, this is not a matter of opinion, it is fact-based. The Woodrow does have around 3 ms latency and this can be felt, latencies under 7-8 ms can not be heard by humans, and I did not state that. If it does not bother you, that's totally fine, doesn't mean it does not exist,
@@uwedasler425 hmmm that'd odd? I pretty much only play Casinos and ES-330s through my Woodrow (occasionally a deeper Gretsch hollowbody) and haven't noticed any latency issues at all
I liked the green side a little better, so I'm pretty amazed that it was the pedal. I guess I shouldn't be surprised though. I have a few of their pedals, and I don't know what sorcery they're up to at Origin Effects, but they make incredible stuff imo
For me these demo's are somewhat of a parlor trick. You could take just about any amp or modeler (including a line 6 pod) add an eq pedal and the right IR's and get the same results.
Both sound great and so close you'd never tell the difference in a band or mixed track context. As John says, if you put two 'identical' tube amps side by side with the same settings on the dials, they'd probably sound more different... I'm also wondering how much of that Tweed Deluxe is totally original - surely all the power supply and coupling capacitors have been changed by now, and maybe the odd resistor? My point being, maybe it doesn't matter how old/original stuff is - if it sounds great, it is great : ) But there's no question that Origin Effects have done a great job (as usual) with this one! Thank you - my order has been placed!
Nice work, however I must make a couple of comments as I’m fortunate to own a genuine 1957 Deluxe, a 1956 low power Twin and two high power Twins from ‘57 and ‘59. Along with Silvertones, Selmers, Voxes and about 50 vintage guitars from the golden era. You really should involve me in some of these things! Firstly the 5E3 came stock with a Jensen P12R driver which I don’t care for too much. It saturates a bit too early. For the past 20 years I’ve been a Jensen artist and been using a reissue P12N but I fancied something different. I have a 1960 P12Q that didn’t quite get there. I wanted a bit cleaner headroom and more bass, so I settled on a 1958 12” Magnavox speaker I brought back from LA about 11 years ago. It’s the original P12N, made by the same guy, Peter Jensen. I think I’m happy with that for now. It’s interesting to note that Neil Young replaced his P12R with a mid 60s C12N, I guess for the same reasons as mine. Not only him, but I had a good talk to Steven Stills who, like Neil, combines a 5E3 with a tweed Twin for their sounds. So, now my 5E3 has better low end and cleaner volume range. It’s a bit more versatile and a tad louder. I would have preferred to hear a Strat that was more “period correct” than noiseless pickups and underworld PAFs, maybe a vintage reissue? FWIW Hayden Minett at Bulldog Pickups in Yorkshire makes WONDERFUL vintage spec pickups that he’s given me over the years. Live, I run my 5E3, combined with a 1964 Princeton non Reverb amp and those two amps together are about as great a sound as you can get. Especially with my stock 1961 and 1963 Strats, a 1954 Junior, 1968 Firebird a choice of five Echoplexes, old Tonebenders, fuzz faces and 1966 Rangemaster treble booster. Maybe IRs of different speakers would be good to capture a bit more low end that these amps are capable of? I love this show and available for any communication to help our vintage guitar fraternity. I like to get involved!
Could tell straight off the red was the amp, that pedals just a touch brighter. The amp had that ever so slightly darker and certainly slightly warmer sound with the Les Paul. Nice!
The original amp sounded a bit more fuzzy, hotter and boomey which made me guess correctly which is which, however these solid state simulations and digital sims are getting fantastic everytime. A very nice pedal and presentation thanks.
The red sounded richer and more complex harmonically to my ears and that turned out to be the amp. But the pedal is very good and a lot easier to get hold of!
a great video might be lee and pete at a vintage music store trying out vintage gear and there thoughts vs modern .... i guessed right, the amp sounded warmer, surprised i could tell, youtube's sound quality is getting better ...
Complete jaw drop when the price was revealed - was expecting £350+ Cheaper than a 55 Tweed amp Kit and you'd still have to fork out for cabinet and speakers
You can certainly tell the difference in the way that they sounded. The amp did compress more and sounded a bit boxy, whereas the pedal started to sound harsh and unpleasant. I think the pedal sounds good, but they don't quite react the same. But it's a lot cheaper to buy amp in a box pedals than it is to buy vintage amps. Plus the pedals don't take up nearly as much room.
my guess was right but the only difference i could hear was at the end of the tone when the amp was living its own life and the digital version was just dying out and thats a part of the sound i never use. well done.
On the red side it sounds like the tone needs rolling off a bit. Green highs are more saturated when power chord strums. Pedal characteristic seems to nail the sound pretty bang on. £250 - is a lot cheaper than the amp (and much lighter!!). Really interesting.
For me, the tell is in the “fry” of the distortion. Tone-wise, clean, they are very very close. When there is fuzziness, I feel like that edgy part of it gets digital sounding to my ear. I have done enough comparison now of pedals, that unfortunately my ear goes right to it and it’s hard to unhear. If these amp sim pedals can get that digital fizzy stuff sorted, I am sure I won’t be able to tell the difference on a record.
I got it. Red side is warmer and I'm listening on an imac (not a macbook, the speakers are actually kinda good for what it is). The pedal is still very impressive though.
It wasn’t hard to guess which one was which. The pedal was a lot cleaner with less room/air to start with. It also is less lively. It does a great job though!
The drama around asbestos is funny. People handled it for years before they had issues from it. Throwing a piece of sheild away or whatever it was isn’t likely harmful
This sounds really great. I've heard great things about Origin Effects pedals but haven't tried them yet. I'm curious how this pedal compares with potential alternatives like the Catalinbread Formula 55, and anything else out there that might try to achieve the same result. I have their Formula 5F6 and I love its sound. I'm tempted to save my pennies to get this Origin Effects pedal because I love that sound.
Have you guys ever considered doing a Synergy module? Not sure how much engineering overlap there is between a tube preamp platform and these pedals, but I'm sure there would be some interest in having these sounds in that form factor. Or another idea would be an amp in the room pedal that recreates the reactance discussed in the video (UAFX Ox Stomp?).
I have a Revival Drive and love it. Could John? suggest some settings that may get close to this pedal. I know it depends on the amp too but I'm thinking about a CabM and IR's for recording.
That was great, much cheaper than buying a Lazy J! Any chance of a demo of the pedal into the front of fairly standard Fender valve amp, perhaps a Hot Rod Deluxe? It would be nice to hear if the Post EQ section does what it says on the tin
but if someone is dead set on that amp then I don’t think it is expensive. Find out what it costs to buy the real amp, one that actually works and have to deal with it being full of asbestos and I think the pedal doesn’t seem so bad value! Yeah for those of us who are casual guitar players then it is expensive but I see why it costs what it costs
A premium price for a pedal that does one thing well might be worth it ... but, wouldn't it be nice if a cheaper pedal could do that one thing well, plus many other things well? IK Multimedia Tonex One would be my choice.
Amp AND pedal both sound great, once the final tweaks happen around 32:30 it's really close. I would have liked to hear the tone set even a bit warmer on the pedal, toward 1 o'clock. I suppose I could buy one and try that myself ;-)
How would this piece of kit compare to the tube pre-amps from a while back if using it as a pedal platform? Will the pedal react nicely to overdrive and boost pedals?
Yes, at last pedals for us "cleantone" players. Question: why no "princeton reverb" or a "twin"? I know, the sound depends a lot on the speaker too - is there really no consumer demand from jazz -guys, (or country-guys)? Some of them still make money in live music, because they are often the most versatile players...
Tonally, I couldn't tell any difference but on the 'red' sound there was a little more ringing like there was more feedback that might be being picked up from other items around the room.
The The red side has more dynamics the single notes are cleaner when playing softer....Lee did not feel it but you can hear it... 16:08 vs 16:15it seems like not dramatically but noticeable, the pedal sounds good though!❤
5E3 is not modern designation. It is a number of the schematics and it was there from the beginning. It is stamped on the tube chart. Every number and letter has it's meaning. Like when it was created and what stepping of the schematics it is and such. Some models went true various changes and not all for the better either. Some silver face amplifiers got changes that were inferior to their predecessors. Sometimes model name would stay and complete amplifier topology would change. Like when Deluxe went from 6V6 to 5881 and 6L6 and 6L6GC tubes and negative feedback loop with fixed bias topology. Sometimes even in the same era they got different cabinets. This is the better looking Deluxe tweed cabinet that became the benchmark. Narrow panel cabinet with 5E3 circuit is the Tweed Deluxe to have. It was a circuit with new mini dual triode tubes from 12AX7 family but with still old cathodine phase inverter. That allowed one triode of the phase inverter tube to be used as additional gain stage. That is the very reason why it breaks up earlier. It was cathode biased circuit with no negative loopback making it pretty wild and making nice harmonics. Cabinet on it self is story for it self. Leo wanted to save money always. He saved on materials heavily. They wanted thin materials and light weight small cabinet but still with 12"speaker and still having full range reproduction. Normally you want to make cabinet as stiff as possible. Any vibrations could ruin the efficiency. But they came with a floating speaker baffle with open back that actually enhanced low end reproduction despite being built using thin boards. Though cabinet being very shallow and not that big does have that typical middle range reproduction and little bit of boxiness when compered with a big 1x12. Chassis is very small and pain to work in. Especially wiring those 4 inputs is tricky. You need to do it outside on the template and then wire it in the amplifier. It is though astonishing what comes out of the amplifier. It does not have great headroom but inside his headroom envelope clean of the good one can be very very nice. Breakup is great and very characteristic. Though it is a one trick pony. It always stays what it is, but what it is is great. Great trick though. It is not an ideal pedal platform but it combines great with a second amplifier and can be a part of the great rig. There are some known mods that are legendary. Biggest one is to change to high power transformer and 6L6 tubes highly increasing it's power. Though if you have original P12R that use to be able to handle 25 Watt's when new one should change speaker as well. One of the most legendary Deluxe tweeds was from Neil Young. He have had motorised remote control for the potentiometers. 5E3 was essential in making Keith Richards signature 5 string Tele sound as well. He would break the E6 string and retune his Tele. In theory amplifier can become louder when you do not play low end. Anyhow if you do not know how breaking up 5E3 suppose to sound well there you go. You knew the sound all along it was recorded so many times. BTW Any amp in the pedal box can do only so much. You have to have an amplifier that has lot of everything to be able to carve out new EQ curve to it. Still you can't fake the response and can't add what it does not have. You need to deduct other things to bring things up. So D Style pedals can't make 5E3 sound like a Dumble ODS. But you can make Hotrod Deluxe sound more like 5E3. BTW chassis is made from steal and if you build it with aluminium chassis it will conduct the heat better and control panel with be really hot. They tried to isolate it and that makes those old electrolytic capacitors dry out. Heat stays in the chassis. Sadly no Re-issue amplifier, I know of, sounds as the old once do. They got replicated that EQ and driven sound OK-ish but clean is never as good as with old originals. Though there are a few boutique builders that build amplifiers that sound very much like old amplifiers do. Most probably deepest dive into the 5E3 world one can make is Robinnets web page. HE builds them and has all information about schematics and modifications you can do to an 5E3. He also builds great amplifiers and has even point to point version.
Stay tuned until 31:41 for the most accurate comparison between the real amp and the Origin Effect Deluxe 55!
Thanks for having us! It was great come down and spend the day with you making noise.
If anyone has any questions, feel free to drop them to us here and we'll answer what we can!
Not a question just want to say you never miss with a pedal! Sounds amazing
Woah, so you don’t need the power amp switch found on your amp recreations anymore? This pedals just “knows” whether it’s being plugged into a traditional amp or being used direct? (Love your pedals, and use your amp recreations for direct recording with the new IR’S)
@@bleeknoir That's what the POST-EQ is. 'FLAT' is essentially the new name for P/AMP mode.
Given you can use that mode into Cab Sims, Power-Amps and otherwise, it made sense to us to make the name more neutral.
Incredible work guys
@@OriginEffectsUKThanks so much for the reply. It’s going to be a very ‘origin’ Christmas in my house this year, with a Deluxe 61 and a Halcyon Blue on the way.
The patina on that Tweed Deluxe is just gorgeous!
The color of the shellac is amazing!
And oh my the sound!
The lack of asbestos! 😂 Yeah, it sounds sooo freakin good. This is why people pay thousands for a vintage Fender, right.
Hello? This is America calling....we would like our amp back! Well done Origin effects!
I've said this on other Tweed video comment sections, but I want to spread it for those who want that sound and will never be able to afford one (or even this £279 pedal): The Vox Valvetronix series (VT15 in particular) has phenomenal Tweed modeling, especially the Twin Reverb. Plus their model of the AC15 with treble boost built in. There is so much value to be had in that corner of the used market. Some people have called the amp's valve a gimmick but it definitely adds something to its warmth and the way it responds.
I agree. I travelled to a wedding, mate said got an amp, just bring guitar etc. Very impressed with the little Vox.
Nice thanks for putting it out there.
I honestly liked the green side much more. Better low end and high end and it sounds more open. Love it!
$340 pedal vs Thousands for the real thing. no brainer for me. The pedal is close enough.
They also didn't match valves until later in the video
It's immediately obvious which is which, because we can see the wiring of the switcher. That being said, this is obviously a great pedal that is going to sell a lot of units. Another winner from Origin Effects.
Great video, what a tone straight into the amp! Not sure how much the Origin Effects pedal is, but a relatively affordable alternative is the Crazy Tube Cicuits Falcon, about £150 I think. I got one over the summer for a Neil Young gig I did last weekend; it was incredible and did the Tweed on the verge of exploding tone really well.
Such a great demo and explanation. My original query was about this pedal going into the front of the amp, and that was addressed with the amazing EQ functionality. And the pre-amp valve option - wow!
I’m only eight minutes in on the video, and that tweed deluxe is the sound of dreams! Can’t wait to hear how this pedal measures up!
these kind of pedals 'are sound- a-likes' they sound something like the amp they are mimicking but will not replace those amps ..
Very convincing demo vid ... this is a great reincarnation of a beloved historic amp
Thanks a lot for sharing
1) amazing pedal - think I need one !!
2) awesome presentation - as an Engineer I have to say if I lived in UK I'd apply for a job at at Origin FX
The range of sounds coming out of that amp between 4m35s and 5m26s are simply beautiful! 😍
I did get the amp/pedal compare right, but I am also wanting to say I am really impressed with how great that pedal sounds. Excellent piece of kit! Great video!
they sound pretty damn same to me!
but if you disagree, always remember, it's close enough for rock n' roll!
Holy mother of amps… Let’s just have a reissue of this amp… 😜🇦🇺
You have to be in the room with these amps. They have a very complex, woody, and 3 dimensional sound, that must be experienced live and in person, to be fully appreciated.
Wow, great sounds! Brilliant job on the pedal! And the best recommendation is always when someone just wants to continue playing! Enough said! Total success!
I haven't smiled this much from a video in awhile and from the 1st strum of the guitar just loved it.Thanks!!
Man, a lot of pedals claim a lot of things but this is a rare one that backs it up. Good work Origin!
Great video, I’m buying this pedal asap. Once you’d changed the tube for the “correct” one in the real amp, I found the pedal more or less indistinguishable. Possibly a hair more top end clarity, a hair less compressed and a hair less nasal in the midrange…could just be a difference in settings though. Awesome product and demo of said product.
Asbestos: first time I hear this important issue being addressed in a video on vintage amps. Indeed it is an issue and this kept me away from allowing vintage amps into my house.
I have a 1968 fender super reverb; drip edge.. am I in danger?
I honestly think Joe Bonamassa should be worried now 💀☠
@ Possibly, however blackface amps with frontpanel are less likely to have asbestos as heatshield. Take the amp outside, wear a mask and take the backplate off. If there is a greyish, cement-like board glued as heat protection to the pine or plywood backplate, you should get this professionally removed and cleaned.
I didn’t even know this was a thing until this video.
@@IronSwan-ll5ju Asbestos that's not damaged and unlikely to be disturbed is usually not harmful.
When I tried a model of a Tweed in the QC (5F8-A) for the first time, I was so surprised that I could get a Marshall sound from it. Really cool and underrated amps imho 🔥
Makes sense, as Marshalls were effectively born out of Tweed-era Fender amplifier circuits.
What a great job by OriginEffectsUK You guys can feel the love in it! Sounds killer, I think I'm going to be in trouble with my wife over this one😋
although I've never played a UA Woodrow in person, this Deluxe55 sounds so much closer to a real 5E3 based on the various videos I've seen of both pedals. Been watching this channel for several years and I have to say this is the best tone they've ever had on the show. Both the real amp and the pedal sounded fantastic. With headphones I could hear all of the nuances of a 5E3....that spitty raspiness, warm/round tone. It sounded great clean with some hair on it and also sounded great when it was cranked up and ready to explode. This is top notch
Imagine the chaos with Danish Pete in the room! We need that video!
received the pedal today - holy shit - what a fu....ing great pedal !!! best overdriven sound i´ve ever heard ! increadible ... i´m speachless - never been so impressed by a pedal
5 days ago. Never have so much fun to Play Guitar !! Already Dream about the Pedal … Crazy !!!
jeeez I'm sold on needing a 5e3, that's for sure.
I'm sold on a Tonex One with a 5e3 'captured' profile. And Seymour Duncan PowerStage amp. And a 2 x 12 cab.
For anyone who doesn’t mind DIY and using a soldering iron you can build great clones of vintage amplifiers. The schematics are easily available and lots of companies to get all the parts you need from.
I could tell the red side was the amp because the green side sounded too hifi to be from 55'. But, i will say they are really close
Agreed ... in the low frequencies the pedal matches better than in the high ones ... 'hifi' - thx for the right term ... 👍
Might be something that can be refined easily in the IR loader. Roll off some of that extra high end that modelers have too much of.
Ok, I'm getting one of those now, what a great pedal!
Sounds great...I run my tweed a hot clean, then boost it with a ts9 as a first stage, RC booster as second, then an eq pedal after them for solo boosts...magic!
The little reduction in the tone at 32:37 makes all the difference - damn near identical after that tweak.
Good video. Don't forget to have a Catlinbread 55 pedal. Very similar.
I’ve got the UA Woodrow which as far as I’m concerned is a faithful recreation of the Tweed Deluxe. Would love to see a comparison between the two, but the UA comes complete with cabs and a fantastic ‘room’ knob for presence. I don’t know if the Origin has me selling my Woodrow just yet.
I owned the Dream and Ruby for a couple years.. then picked up a Woodrow when I saw one on Craigslist for $120 in mint condition(!) and it has since become my fav UAFX pedal by far. I cannot fathom why it is so unpopular compared to the Ruby and Dream, which are both great pedals, but the Woodrow actually FEELS like an amp when you play, that perfect tube sag and just the right kinda flub when playing an old Harmony Rocket through a cranked Woodrow... best $120 I've ever spent on gear, hands down!
Well, I have the Woodrow as well and the main difference is latency - when I play a hollow-body, e.g. ES-330 / Casino, through the Woodrow, the tone comes clearly after I feel the string vibration in my chest. The OE pedals are analog, their latency can't even be measured using available tools. I do have the OE Deluxe 61 and Magma 57 pedals and do prefer them over digital every day - obviously, I have not tried the Deluxe 55 yet...
@@uwedasler425 I play a casino (as well as Jazzmaster and tele) through the Woodrow and have never had latency problems. Has always sounded brilliant to my ears!
@@lincolnshaw5667 Listen, this is not a matter of opinion, it is fact-based. The Woodrow does have around 3 ms latency and this can be felt, latencies under 7-8 ms can not be heard by humans, and I did not state that. If it does not bother you, that's totally fine, doesn't mean it does not exist,
@@uwedasler425 hmmm that'd odd? I pretty much only play Casinos and ES-330s through my Woodrow (occasionally a deeper Gretsch hollowbody) and haven't noticed any latency issues at all
the red sounded better to me love the vid.
I liked the green side a little better, so I'm pretty amazed that it was the pedal. I guess I shouldn't be surprised though. I have a few of their pedals, and I don't know what sorcery they're up to at Origin Effects, but they make incredible stuff imo
For me these demo's are somewhat of a parlor trick. You could take just about any amp or modeler (including a line 6 pod) add an eq pedal and the right IR's and get the same results.
Do you mostly use a modeler?
not quite.
Both sound great and so close you'd never tell the difference in a band or mixed track context. As John says, if you put two 'identical' tube amps side by side with the same settings on the dials, they'd probably sound more different...
I'm also wondering how much of that Tweed Deluxe is totally original - surely all the power supply and coupling capacitors have been changed by now, and maybe the odd resistor? My point being, maybe it doesn't matter how old/original stuff is - if it sounds great, it is great : )
But there's no question that Origin Effects have done a great job (as usual) with this one! Thank you - my order has been placed!
Nice work, however I must make a couple of comments as I’m fortunate to own a genuine 1957 Deluxe, a 1956 low power Twin and two high power Twins from ‘57 and ‘59. Along with Silvertones, Selmers, Voxes and about 50 vintage guitars from the golden era. You really should involve me in some of these things!
Firstly the 5E3 came stock with a Jensen P12R driver which I don’t care for too much. It saturates a bit too early.
For the past 20 years I’ve been a Jensen artist and been using a reissue P12N but I fancied something different. I have a 1960 P12Q that didn’t quite get there. I wanted a bit cleaner headroom and more bass, so I settled on a 1958 12” Magnavox speaker I brought back from LA about 11 years ago. It’s the original P12N, made by the same guy, Peter Jensen. I think I’m happy with that for now.
It’s interesting to note that Neil Young replaced his P12R with a mid 60s C12N, I guess for the same reasons as mine. Not only him, but I had a good talk to Steven Stills who, like Neil, combines a 5E3 with a tweed Twin for their sounds.
So, now my 5E3 has better low end and cleaner volume range. It’s a bit more versatile and a tad louder.
I would have preferred to hear a Strat that was more “period correct” than noiseless pickups and underworld PAFs, maybe a vintage reissue? FWIW Hayden Minett at Bulldog Pickups in Yorkshire makes WONDERFUL vintage spec pickups that he’s given me over the years.
Live, I run my 5E3, combined with a 1964 Princeton non Reverb amp and those two amps together are about as great a sound as you can get. Especially with my stock 1961 and 1963 Strats, a 1954 Junior, 1968 Firebird a choice of five Echoplexes, old Tonebenders, fuzz faces and 1966 Rangemaster treble booster.
Maybe IRs of different speakers would be good to capture a bit more low end that these amps are capable of?
I love this show and available for any communication to help our vintage guitar fraternity. I like to get involved!
Wonder if the TPS guys might be more interested in collaborating with you and your collection
I have a Lazy J20, sounds just like the demo on both the Fender and also the pedal.
Same. Amazing amp
With a high end pair of headphones, I honestly can't tell the difference between them. Might be a worthwhile purchase.
54 and 55 deluxe is a magical amp, the harmonic overtones are just very rich and it's very touch sensitive.
Just ordered the pedal from Origin...nice...
Well done!
Id defiantly consider this pedal as a purchase.
Could tell straight off the red was the amp, that pedals just a touch brighter. The amp had that ever so slightly darker and certainly slightly warmer sound with the Les Paul. Nice!
WANT! MY Fender Blues Deville amp needs some of this ⚡️
I remember him from the Orange videos! Good to see him again!
The original amp sounded a bit more fuzzy, hotter and boomey which made me guess correctly which is which, however these solid state simulations and digital sims are getting fantastic everytime. A very nice pedal and presentation thanks.
The red sounded richer and more complex harmonically to my ears and that turned out to be the amp. But the pedal is very good and a lot easier to get hold of!
a great video might be lee and pete at a vintage music store trying out vintage gear and there thoughts vs modern ....
i guessed right, the amp sounded warmer, surprised i could tell, youtube's sound quality is getting better ...
Complete jaw drop when the price was revealed - was expecting £350+
Cheaper than a 55 Tweed amp Kit and you'd still have to fork out for cabinet and speakers
I had a feeling the red was the amp ,to me the pedal sounds slightly harsh in comparison,but still sounds great.
That pedal is a work of genius ! ❤🎸
The Clapton boost circuit is still at about +3db when not turned up, don’t forget that!!!!
You can certainly tell the difference in the way that they sounded. The amp did compress more and sounded a bit boxy, whereas the pedal started to sound harsh and unpleasant.
I think the pedal sounds good, but they don't quite react the same. But it's a lot cheaper to buy amp in a box pedals than it is to buy vintage amps. Plus the pedals don't take up nearly as much room.
You two look like brothers
Brothers with benefits.
@@JoeC712 Man, relax
@@josearjona3728 Don't do it, when you wanna go do it. Relax don't do it, when you wanna come.
It's going to be interesting to see if the sale of the "feel" changes now that companies can actually match real amps.
Sounds great, my ears can’t tell them apart
I’ve got the Revival Trem( it’s glorious)
I think I need this.
I MUST have one..it WILL be mine
I guessed correctly but actually preferred the green side!
my guess was right but the only difference i could hear was at the end of the tone when the amp was living its own life and the digital version was just dying out and thats a part of the sound i never use. well done.
It’s not digital though. It’s all analog.
Imagine there’s a Halcyon pedal in the actual amp you’re plugging into 😂
Sounds amazing regardless
You can tell from 10:54 that the green side is the pedal, sadly. But great video!
Thoroughly impressed
On the red side it sounds like the tone needs rolling off a bit. Green highs are more saturated when power chord strums.
Pedal characteristic seems to nail the sound pretty bang on. £250 - is a lot cheaper than the amp (and much lighter!!). Really interesting.
0:16 I translated the beep to “f****ing” and it sounded fantastic. Thanks, mates
For me, the tell is in the “fry” of the distortion. Tone-wise, clean, they are very very close. When there is fuzziness, I feel like that edgy part of it gets digital sounding to my ear. I have done enough comparison now of pedals, that unfortunately my ear goes right to it and it’s hard to unhear. If these amp sim pedals can get that digital fizzy stuff sorted, I am sure I won’t be able to tell the difference on a record.
I got it. Red side is warmer and I'm listening on an imac (not a macbook, the speakers are actually kinda good for what it is). The pedal is still very impressive though.
this is incredible - the amp the pedal the energy!!!
i nailed it. you couldn't fool me lol. still, the emulation sounds far better than the equivalent in some digital modelling schlock.
It wasn’t hard to guess which one was which. The pedal was a lot cleaner with less room/air to start with. It also is less lively.
It does a great job though!
Just blown away!
Great Pedal but surely they could hear the sound pumping out of that Combo when the amp was switched in.
The drama around asbestos is funny. People handled it for years before they had issues from it. Throwing a piece of sheild away or whatever it was isn’t likely harmful
That amp sounds so good.
Lee that tube pedal doesn’t add anything but your tasty blues lick add something and that is magic. This pedal is f$$&& awesome!!!
That pedal is just awesome. I want one 👍
M8 plays a mighty tune 😮
I suspect the red will be the amplifier but on my headphones, I liked the green
Origin are s brill company with brill products .. I had 2 comps off them when they were in big boxes ,.. excellent
Impressive stuff
This sounds really great. I've heard great things about Origin Effects pedals but haven't tried them yet. I'm curious how this pedal compares with potential alternatives like the Catalinbread Formula 55, and anything else out there that might try to achieve the same result. I have their Formula 5F6 and I love its sound. I'm tempted to save my pennies to get this Origin Effects pedal because I love that sound.
Have you guys ever considered doing a Synergy module? Not sure how much engineering overlap there is between a tube preamp platform and these pedals, but I'm sure there would be some interest in having these sounds in that form factor. Or another idea would be an amp in the room pedal that recreates the reactance discussed in the video (UAFX Ox Stomp?).
Question is, this in front of a UAFX Dream, or just get a Woodrow for a little cheaper?
Neil young's live album weld, is a good example for that overdriven sound
I have a Revival Drive and love it. Could John? suggest some settings that may get close to this pedal. I know it depends on the amp too but I'm thinking about a CabM and IR's for recording.
That was great, much cheaper than buying a Lazy J! Any chance of a demo of the pedal into the front of fairly standard Fender valve amp, perhaps a Hot Rod Deluxe? It would be nice to hear if the Post EQ section does what it says on the tin
omg, so expensive! I'm scared to watch full video, couse it might be so good to explain that price ;o
but if someone is dead set on that amp then I don’t think it is expensive. Find out what it costs to buy the real amp, one that actually works and have to deal with it being full of asbestos and I think the pedal doesn’t seem so bad value! Yeah for those of us who are casual guitar players then it is expensive but I see why it costs what it costs
A premium price for a pedal that does one thing well might be worth it ... but, wouldn't it be nice if a cheaper pedal could do that one thing well, plus many other things well? IK Multimedia Tonex One would be my choice.
Amp AND pedal both sound great, once the final tweaks happen around 32:30 it's really close. I would have liked to hear the tone set even a bit warmer on the pedal, toward 1 o'clock. I suppose I could buy one and try that myself ;-)
So Origin Effects Deluxe 55 Vs. UA FX Woodrow 55!!
How would this piece of kit compare to the tube pre-amps from a while back if using it as a pedal platform?
Will the pedal react nicely to overdrive and boost pedals?
Sounds soooo good!
great job from Origin. They should make a pedal for the Super Reverb with JBL speakers! ...
Yes, at last pedals for us "cleantone" players. Question: why no "princeton reverb" or a "twin"? I know, the sound depends a lot on the speaker too - is there really no consumer demand from jazz -guys, (or country-guys)? Some of them still make money in live music, because they are often the most versatile players...
Tonally, I couldn't tell any difference but on the 'red' sound there was a little more ringing like there was more feedback that might be being picked up from other items around the room.
The The red side has more dynamics the single notes are cleaner when playing softer....Lee did not feel it but you can hear it... 16:08 vs 16:15it seems like not dramatically but noticeable, the pedal sounds good though!❤
5E3 is not modern designation. It is a number of the schematics and it was there from the beginning. It is stamped on the tube chart. Every number and letter has it's meaning. Like when it was created and what stepping of the schematics it is and such. Some models went true various changes and not all for the better either. Some silver face amplifiers got changes that were inferior to their predecessors. Sometimes model name would stay and complete amplifier topology would change. Like when Deluxe went from 6V6 to 5881 and 6L6 and 6L6GC tubes and negative feedback loop with fixed bias topology.
Sometimes even in the same era they got different cabinets. This is the better looking Deluxe tweed cabinet that became the benchmark. Narrow panel cabinet with 5E3 circuit is the Tweed Deluxe to have.
It was a circuit with new mini dual triode tubes from 12AX7 family but with still old cathodine phase inverter. That allowed one triode of the phase inverter tube to be used as additional gain stage. That is the very reason why it breaks up earlier. It was cathode biased circuit with no negative loopback making it pretty wild and making nice harmonics.
Cabinet on it self is story for it self. Leo wanted to save money always. He saved on materials heavily.
They wanted thin materials and light weight small cabinet but still with 12"speaker and still having full range reproduction.
Normally you want to make cabinet as stiff as possible. Any vibrations could ruin the efficiency.
But they came with a floating speaker baffle with open back that actually enhanced low end reproduction despite being built using thin boards.
Though cabinet being very shallow and not that big does have that typical middle range reproduction and little bit of boxiness when compered with a big 1x12.
Chassis is very small and pain to work in. Especially wiring those 4 inputs is tricky. You need to do it outside on the template and then wire it in the amplifier.
It is though astonishing what comes out of the amplifier. It does not have great headroom but inside his headroom envelope clean of the good one can be very very nice.
Breakup is great and very characteristic. Though it is a one trick pony. It always stays what it is, but what it is is great. Great trick though. It is not an ideal pedal platform but it combines great with a second amplifier and can be a part of the great rig.
There are some known mods that are legendary. Biggest one is to change to high power transformer and 6L6 tubes highly increasing it's power. Though if you have original P12R that use to be able to handle 25 Watt's when new one should change speaker as well.
One of the most legendary Deluxe tweeds was from Neil Young. He have had motorised remote control for the potentiometers.
5E3 was essential in making Keith Richards signature 5 string Tele sound as well. He would break the E6 string and retune his Tele. In theory amplifier can become louder when you do not play low end. Anyhow if you do not know how breaking up 5E3 suppose to sound well there you go. You knew the sound all along it was recorded so many times.
BTW Any amp in the pedal box can do only so much. You have to have an amplifier that has lot of everything to be able to carve out new EQ curve to it. Still you can't fake the response and can't add what it does not have. You need to deduct other things to bring things up. So D Style pedals can't make 5E3 sound like a Dumble ODS. But you can make Hotrod Deluxe sound more like 5E3.
BTW chassis is made from steal and if you build it with aluminium chassis it will conduct the heat better and control panel with be really hot. They tried to isolate it and that makes those old electrolytic capacitors dry out. Heat stays in the chassis.
Sadly no Re-issue amplifier, I know of, sounds as the old once do. They got replicated that EQ and driven sound OK-ish but clean is never as good as with old originals. Though there are a few boutique builders that build amplifiers that sound very much like old amplifiers do. Most probably deepest dive into the 5E3 world one can make is Robinnets web page. HE builds them and has all information about schematics and modifications you can do to an 5E3. He also builds great amplifiers and has even point to point version.
my fav fender amp and my clone is my main live amp... albeit a little modded