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There were guys back in the 70's that were like this. They were already tough and athletic and honestly just watched movies and hung out. Some of them got to be pretty good with zero resources. It's not rocket science.
PS, Also, most likely this guy is like the guy that has as friend that goes to guitar lessons and meets him and goes, what did you learn today? Plus, with youtube you are getting half the training for nothing!! Nothing!! Get a mirror, watch a video, then go spar with your friends who are paying for it.
I think thats like todays japanese 10 years old bruce lee kid. I dont remember his name ıt was something like ryohi nakasake but kid has a perfect form in kicking and basic punches
@@nickcarroll8565 Do we have any proof that there were bad ass old kung fu masters? Besides the movies, which I love. But from what I can see, out of billions of people, not one legit master has come forward and used old school shaolin or Tai Chi to trounce an MMA guy or even a boxer. And old style kung fu didn't do any good against all the invaders, foreign and domestic. If wish I could see some awesome guy use Hung Gar and destroy a Sanda guy, but it just hasn't happened. And having a guy that started out in Hung Gar, stopped and then uses modern kickboxing doesn't count.
This guy’s got good form. He seems familiar with sparring so he’s either sparred with others at some point or he just has an incredible ability to absorb martial arts knowledge and apply it.
Two of the three main guys on the Martial Club channel are mostly or entirely self-taught. It's performance art martial arts, not fighting, but it still shows how far a person can go with informal training and a lot of time & dedication.
@Aaron B If all they do is performance stuff, they'll have great power, posture, flexibility, and endurance. And with only a bit of sparring (they showed them doing some of it once), their injuries will hopefully be less serious (no brain damage) than combat athletes, or maybe just different types of injuries.
Exactly, Is noticeable that he meant the technics standing but don't train much footwork. I think is one of those things that most people only realize how important it is once some one use it against them.
Not bad for being self taught. I suspect that he must have trained with friends that have formal trainings. The red ribbon is just signifying the red corner vs the white corner. As you can see the judges with red flags and white flags .
I must have watched a different vid to you all. I saw a fat blackbelt, and an athletic dude with a questionable skillset, each going at ultra slow pace. I've fought hundreds of point rounds, and aside from the occasional mess- about, never seen a pace so slow. I've also fought hundreds of full contact rounds, the biggest difference being FC guys tend to stand and trade shots, while the point guys stick and move. These guys did neither.
This guy proves that whatever your style is, guarding the head and face are vital to fight sustainably. Most of the guys beaten are not conscious of the head rather they focus on hitting.
I love seeing the workout/unique/unsuspecting type fighters.they got more heart and knowledgeable testing of the things they try to separate in terms of technique. They are the league of mystery that hold key to alot of new things to bring. Never underestimate the unknown.
I saw this kind of thing before. A self trained person entered a TKD tournament in Korea. He got destroyed. If this were full contact it would have ended rapidly.
It's disgusting how everybody makes jokes about that "fat" guy. I get it, every viewer from this channel is in a perfect condition, is training every day, etc.. I want to tell you a short story of a good friend of mine, this guy reminds me of him because the look like brothers :D He is working at the office, has two kids and his wife at home and started Karate like 15 years ago. He loves it and attended competitions, even if he knew he is not a fighting genius and he never came far but he enjoys it. Some day he started training the children in his dojo and they all love him, it would warm your hearts seeing how much fun they have with him. But the more he did for others the less he could do for himself. Today he is still spending very much of his time at his work in the office and training others to get better than he could every be and as he comes home to his family he is not training further to get ripped, he joins his family and is being a good daddy. I don't want to make excuses for those really fat no-touch "martial artists" but please consider the following: This guy is not that fat as you are saying, get real! He has a belly just like many of you people here have or will have once you found a more important thing than training in your life He is still showing up in a tournament He is very gentle with out self-taught guy here. There is more to life than training and you don't know the story of everyone you see. There are much more reasons to get overweight. You can be happy not to have to deal with all those health issues you can have that decrease your muscle growth or blocks your fat burning ability. You always start bashing, guys. Please stop being such a..holes and get back to the open minded and friendly mindset a good martial artist should have. Stay fair! And as you said "he is conserving energy", I think there is more to this here. His blocks are fast, his kicks are not. I am pretty sure the referee was counting the non-blocked kicks as hits so there was no reason to but more force to it.
For a self taught fellow he's pretty damn good. Seems like one of those lads that are just naturals and it probably helps that he's actually going around and fighting people or entering tournaments to hone his skills. I think if you put this guy with a legit MMA instructor or Muay Thai/Dutch Kickboxing instructor he'd go pretty far. Props to the guy man. Credit given where it's due.
That’s so awesome to see one of my good buddies on your channel!! He may be self trained is he is very skilled and very respectful. The essence of a black belt!!
I haven't done martial arts in years, today I just train on my own with anything I can learn for both stand-up fighting and grappling, the main problem is that I don't have anyone to spar with so it's hard for me to tell how good my skills are. It's important to me because I am willing to keep my family protected and for many people I care about, it should be important to everyone who consider themselves strong and protective for the people they care about
Nothing quite sums up the modern state of karate like a karate black belt losing a karate match to a guy who taught himself how to fight off of youtube.
I really wondered how well someone would be able to self teach / learn by just research. So this was great to see. It seems he really excelled by his fitness and ability to mimic. When I say mimic I say watch himself in a mirror or video. His form is really on point, so this must be it.
Very nice for a guy that's self taught. Learn more from Yotube than Black Belt or Kung Fu Magazine. He should try it with self protection gear and with force to test his own stamina and pain tolerance.
We had a couple self trained men come into our Kung Fu San Soo studio. They looked great when they worked together. Very impressive. But when matched with green belt student they couldn't stand on their own at all.
I’ve seen karate black belts get whooped on the street by some no belts. My friend had twenty thousand hours of training and he got spanked by someone who was a genuine brute. A karate black belt is good at sparing but not all of them are good at fighting. Height, reach and weight always matter in a fight. A trained martial artist needs the element of surprise on the street if they’re a smaller and lighter person. They are at a disadvantage if they square off and allow their opponent to size them up. The person who throws the first punch almost always wins in a real fight. There’s a difference between fighting and self defense. Walk if you can but defend yourself if there’s no other alternative. It will keep you safe and out of jail.
As someone who practices karate, i can say its just a sport, its all point sparring nowadays. Its not really a fight. never get in a fight is what i always say, because in a fight, you could either win or lose.
Mister, even MMA fighter can get absolutely trashed by "non trained" brute. It is all contextual. Size matters, intent to hurt matters, age matters etc. etc.
I have to disagree about the person that throws the first punch. If the person taking that punch knows how to take a punch or simply put it offline its going to be game over. Street fights are always telegraphed and full of haymakers. Grew up with a guy that would always let his opponent throw first cause he was a tank and the second he countered it was lights out
In my childhood early teens I was mostly Self Taught and in High I was Sparring Adult Black Belts ! And then Started Teaching Self Defense / Street Fighting Tactics ! At 20 then I started getting Professional Training !
@@FightCommentary I'm currently Studying the Style Called Sanuces Ryu Ju jitsu Founder Dr Moses who No Longer With us , he's passed Away in the Early 2000's but his Legacy lives on ! He was part of a Documentary back in the Early 80's called the Warrior Within and before passing he was Awarded on Wesley Snipes Masters of the Martial arts ! I train in the city of Long Beach CA at the Urban Self Defense School under Shihan Zaleah Anderson ! I really would like you to Do a Commentary on this Unique Martial Art !
It was clearly sparring and the black belt was letting him do his thing. I know a mcdojo practitioner when I see one and this guy wasn't one.His guard was very good and I am sure that if he was trying hed dominate. There are no signs of mcdojo.
I am currently self training because I don't have the money for a dojo it's hard but seeing guys like this lets me be honored to know it's possible thanks for uploading this video you made my day 🙏
As someone who is also mostly self-taught, kudos to this guy for getting in there and testing himself against formally trained students. You have to pressure test because some techniques are objectively MUCH better than others... and even when a technique is good, it might not fit your body's physique well and still not work for YOU. One example is that I have long legs but not a long torso or long arms -- this creates a bigger gap between my kicking range and punching/grappling range than most people have, and it also prevents me from being as effective with certain moves like punching someone after feinting with a low kick. It's clear that he pressure tests his moves thoroughly and plays to his body type. ------ If you do get in contact with him, tell him some random dude on the internet says to stop leaving weight on his back foot for so long when he feints a kick. That's fine for point sparring, but it's basically gaming the system and not honest to the nature of martial arts. It's easy to just charge a person and knock them down (via ramming hip to hip or shoving) when they are balancing precariously on their back foot like that. If he wants to understand what I mean better, tell him to study some Tai Chi or Shaolin Kung-Fu footwork. Or just tell him to light spar one time with a collegiate wrestler to understand how vulnerable he's making himself when he does that. ------ The opponent in the 2017 light sparring match looks like (at best) a first degree black belt, and honestly I have seen better green belts. He didn't know what to do with such a fast and aggressive opponent. Most of the fight he just spent standing there in static guard, getting picked apart without even returning fire. And even without any attempt to maneuver or attack, he wasn't defending himself that well either. I'm not sure what he thought he was doing to be honest. Conserving energy is right. He wasn't doing anything at all, for almost the whole fight. If they fought five times I think he could win at least the last one -- it seemed like he was scared to get hit by a kick to the head, like he wasn't comfortable in there and just wanted it to end. ------ I liked the 2016 match better. It was easier to see the power in his moves; it's easy in light sparring to throw something that looks good and even connects, but that would do virtually zero in an actual fight (and might even get you hurt). He definitely wasn't flowing as much, but that's the nature of a harder and/or more even fight. Rhythms are getting broken in a real fight between two similarly skilled combatants. You don't get to just slip from move to move without being challenged. The 2017 fight was horribly one-sided in both skill and fighting spirit. He looked good out there, but I thought he looked good in both matches.
Before I even get into the video, I'll say this. I've read Miyamoto Musashi's Book of 5 Rings; the Stephen Kaufman translation. One of the deepest books I've ever read. In it, Musashi stated that it is possible to be a self-taught martial artist, but it will take an incredible amount of self-discipline. Before signing up for my first Kung-Fu school (two months before my 18th birthday), I tried to develop my own style, but was highly discouraged; my life, and not to mention my own inner mind, were unbearably noisy, distracting & discouraging.
I can't share links but have you guys reviewed the one video of the Shaolin "Monk" vs TKD Master? I know dude isn't a real monk but he's pretty damn fast. I'd love to see your guys take on it because both fighters seem super talented.
Win Kai of Ten Thousand Method is the real deal. Say all you want about his opponent or the context of the match-up... but Win will out-strike you and out-hustle you all day.
You are so expert and talented. Thank you for sharing, my friend. I hope all is well. Stay healthy and safe. Have a very blessed and wonderful week ahead to you and your family.
I wonder what he used to learn. I have no experience aside from scraps from when I was a kid n so on.. I could never do this. I’m to embarrassed to practice and put my self out there like this guy. 👍👍👍👍 I’m glad you put out content like this.
Years ago, in the 70's, we had a guy in the area I lived in, who was a "self-proclaimed" black belt. He also trained himself, but he wasn't quite as good as this guy, but he would enter tournaments in the black belt divisions. He always had his ass handed to him, but we gave him applause for having the fortitude to keep doing it, until they finally banned him.
You’ve got to be kidding me. Neither one of these guys would survive in a real fight. And just because you have a black belt doesn’t mean you can actually fight.
How many times are you gonna say , he’s going up against the black belt. I know a lot of guys that were first-degree second-degree third-degree black belt, but when it came straight flight they couldn’t defend themselves. I trained in American taekwondo as a kid, but learning how to box and wrestle . Helped more in street fights ,than taekwondo ever did. Actually only kind of kicking get ever help me to street fight, we’re Thai kicks either to the leg or the ribs especially the liver. And I didn’t need a black belt to learn how to do that. Today there’s so many belt factories it’s ridiculous. Especially in karate and kung fu styles, you are in a fight train MMA and add some dirty tactics to it.
My favorite moment is when I went my first time to Judo and never told them I took Shuai jiao and beat a black belt lol. They thought I was screwing with them and knew Judo 😁
Saw some of the comments and can't help shaking my head. HELLO~!! It's a sparring session!! The entire purpose of sparring is to help the self-taught guy improve on his techniques and correct any mistakes he might make, not to beat him down on the mat. You do not hurt your sparring partner just to dominate. The slow strikes is so that both parties, including the referee, can see if the technique is done right, can it be improved, or does it need correction. And I'm fairly certain the karate black belt is looking out as well for the self-taught to assist him, and at the same time learning something himself. If those of you who want to see someone getting beaten up go look for a fight yourselves, I'm pretty sure you'll enjoy the first hand experience more than just commenting here.
Self taught martial arts can only get you so far, after a certain point you definitely would plateau. Having a coach or someone more experienced showing you the ropes definitely does help but it's good that he's sparring up against people that are better than him. If he got some formal training in, he would be a beast
Props to the guy for doing the work. His page suggests that this was a real tournament match, but it looked to me like a match where a black belt steps in because you don't have any opponents in your division. It was much different than the fight with the brown belt. It looked like they weren't taking it seriously, but the pace may just be different than what I'm used to in point sparring. Either way, he did a good job.
The first one was clearly sparring and the black belt was letting him try some things out. His guard was great and I have no doubt he would have ended it quickly if it was full contact.
I wonder how easy it is to be self taught with all the martial arts stuff on RUclips. I wonder if a person watched all my videos and trained themself how good would they be?
How do they run this tournament? The reason why I'm mentioning this is because the self taught martial artist hit the stomach on multiple occasions. If he was competing in the tournament that I went to then he would've won the match in the first minute & that would apply if this was a TKD tournament as well.
Just because someone has a black belt in a martial art, doesn't mean he can fight. It sometimes means, that someone learned the system in that particular art. Blocks, punches, forms, technics etc. This is why sometimes an experienced street fighter will defeat a martial art practitioner. That said, ternaments have rules. This being his first time... He did good. Stay safe and healthy. Peace
To be honest the most important thing is just practise and sparring, punching a bag all day might make you look good but a real fight is a different thing, like Iron Mike said “everyone’s got a plan until they get punched in the face” and just judging by how this guy performed in this fight he must’ve at least done sparring before with someone with formal training 🤷♂️
I thought the self taught guy had very good technique, especially foot positioning, and his high kicks were great! Also amazing control, though they were going pretty light for a tournament.
I give credit to the self taught fighter. It reminds me of stories about the old founders of the arts who, since they were founders of their arts, sometimes didn't have a dojo to hone their art. They learned the hard way (Musashi was an example of this, as were the original founder of Wing Chun and Praying Mantis Kung Fu, if I remember correctly). This young man had pretty good form and displayed the ability to fight ambidextrously. I hope he keeps up the good work and continues to hone and improve his skills.
Brown is almost always the one right before black. With red as either an option for a 10th degree black belt, the first belt ever, the one just before brown, or just none at all
@@douglasmacneil4474 What do you think happened to Karate to destroy its public perception so much? Reading your comments and other people's comments on this video, almost everyone is not a fan of Karate. Was it the oversaturation of dojos in the 70s and 80s?
@@RobWatt no, it was the advent of point karate as the almost exclusive form of competition. For reference I have been a karate practitioner since I was 12. I love the art. But having trained in mandy different places. I can say it is very difficult to find skilled kqrate practitioners. Most are lost after a little touch. And most that claim to be traditionalists are mostly more classical than anything
The guy with no energy in his voice commenting about him going to “RUclips University” is obviously an untrained individual. People who condescend others for teaching themselves a skill are almost never proficient in the skill themselves. Jon Jones taught himself striking by watching RUclips videos by the way. Sometimes people are just good, and you don’t need to be so jealous. ✌️
I’m a small man but a little heavy for my height. I’m 5’3 and weigh 165. Most techniques that work for taller and average height people don’t work for me because of the height and reach advantage. Throwing roundhouse kicks and punches to the face don’t work for me. Getting low and inside the torso works for me. Straight punches and knees to the groin are more practical for a guy like me. However, groin shots aren’t allowed in a sanctioned fight. That’s why I train with the bob dummy for close quarter combat if I’m ever in a situation where I can’t escape. I enjoy the advice and comments from skilled and unskilled fighters because I learn a lot from another person’s perspective. Peace my friends.
I have no training in any fighting at all. I wouldn't think twice about fighting anyone with training or not. I'll even fight a "pro". Just set a time and date.
I like this alot. Bow in respect to this guy. Much of my journey have been self experimentation, seminars & classes when I am able. I never really had a "conventional work schedule" so training at a dojo regularly was difficult. I was referred to as the irregular regular guy by different teachers.
PS, if any of you think the black belt would have an edge if it went full contact, that is only if the black belt had full contact experience. Many people go into shock the first few times they are hit in the face. If the self taught was a rugby player or something and the black belt was a point karate guy, I give an edge to the self taught guy. Just for an example.
In that first match . They called time....about a 2 min round. It looked to be some sort of demo and not actual point fighting, definately not a black belt level competition, the blackbelt was going very easy as if he was against a white belt a child or a female.
I think its possible to learn a lot from self teaching. The benefit of being in a gym is sparring and corrections in form that coaches provide. But if a person has a good grasp on drills and fundamentals I think they could be pretty functional learning on their own. I grew up Boxing in a gym with a coach and after the basics you essentially self teach through sparring. Sure coaches drop knowledge and help you correct form but you can do that through discipline as well. I practiced Capoeira for about two years and got two cords and was almost exclusively self taught. I would only see my instructor a few times a year. I learned just by playing with other people who were low level cords themselves and watching youtube videos on how to perform certain moves.
For someone with no formal training, he's pretty good. If he's a workout guy, it kind of makes sense. Physical conditioning and flexibility goes a long way in a fight; it might in fact be one of the single most important factors, so the fact he's in good shape helps a lot. But his kicks and strikes look pretty good all same. Even if he's not got any formal training himself, I'd bet money that spend a lot of time in gyms sparring with people who do.
The yellow bag they throw into the mat is just the way the timekeeper signifies that the alloted time is up and the match is over. Pretty much like how the judges table throw a knotted belt into the mats to signify the end of match time in BJJ tournaments.
the self taught guy knows how to throw kicks and punches pretty good he must train a lot. A lot of people would think the guy has trained for a long long time doing all those combos and moves
I have a friend self taught too and fought a Black belt karate fighter too, It was a 3 round match, he Lost but won round 2, was a nice fight, i will send you the video, Hope u watch
ISKA is International Sport Karate Association. The bean bag that is thrown in, is when the round time is up. Most matches have a 3 minute time limit. By the way, this is continuous sparring, not a regular point sparring match that is broke up after each point is called by 4 corner judges and the center (head) referee.
The black BElt was so one sided as he only used his right dominant side and basically had no use of hands. They may not have been allowed to use hands given lack of headgear, but even so, you can use your hands to get your opponents eyes looking one way to set up a kick to the other side. The black belt also looks like he only knows one kick...the roundhouse. No side kick, hook kick, crescent kick, or snap kick to his arsenal. Kudos to the self taught guy. He knew how to use his legs to both defend and use front kick to his advantage.
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@@six7595 I am the man with a bleu hate in video
And your sparr videos commentary breakdande, you talk much and not see your flights,
Was the black belt self-taught, as well?
Karate, at least in the west, doesn't impress me. Most of them "guarentee belts" after so long and all sorts of other wackiness.
There were guys back in the 70's that were like this. They were already tough and athletic and honestly just watched movies and hung out. Some of them got to be pretty good with zero resources. It's not rocket science.
PS, Also, most likely this guy is like the guy that has as friend that goes to guitar lessons and meets him and goes, what did you learn today? Plus, with youtube you are getting half the training for nothing!! Nothing!! Get a mirror, watch a video, then go spar with your friends who are paying for it.
And truthfully that’s how martial arts began. People tried something out, found it worked, and practiced it.
I think thats like todays japanese 10 years old bruce lee kid. I dont remember his name ıt was something like ryohi nakasake but kid has a perfect form in kicking and basic punches
This is why the old kung fu masters trained in secret.
@@nickcarroll8565 Do we have any proof that there were bad ass old kung fu masters? Besides the movies, which I love. But from what I can see, out of billions of people, not one legit master has come forward and used old school shaolin or Tai Chi to trounce an MMA guy or even a boxer. And old style kung fu didn't do any good against all the invaders, foreign and domestic. If wish I could see some awesome guy use Hung Gar and destroy a Sanda guy, but it just hasn't happened. And having a guy that started out in Hung Gar, stopped and then uses modern kickboxing doesn't count.
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This guy’s got good form. He seems familiar with sparring so he’s either sparred with others at some point or he just has an incredible ability to absorb martial arts knowledge and apply it.
Two of the three main guys on the Martial Club channel are mostly or entirely self-taught. It's performance art martial arts, not fighting, but it still shows how far a person can go with informal training and a lot of time & dedication.
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@Aaron B If all they do is performance stuff, they'll have great power, posture, flexibility, and endurance. And with only a bit of sparring (they showed them doing some of it once), their injuries will hopefully be less serious (no brain damage) than combat athletes, or maybe just different types of injuries.
@@Mbq-sh6bj did Martial Club collab with Kwonkicker back in the day?
Props to the man that self taught looks good hold his ground well
He beat black belt dude lol
Yeah it is almost like this no-contact pointfighting bullshit doesn't work lol
@@edsmack6122 they were sparring. The guy was holding back.
The self-taught guy isn't too bad. Probably needs to work on his footwork and mobility a bit more, but he's pretty solid.
Exactly, Is noticeable that he meant the technics standing but don't train much footwork. I think is one of those things that most people only realize how important it is once some one use it against them.
His style is more like savate
self teaching would be effective only If you tested your self learnt knowledge in sparring
Guy has a black belt in buffet dining.
Dessert expert, took a year long seminar in a French patisserie.
Ay..put some respect, will ya? I have to spend $120 per month on Korean BBQ and Japanese Shabu2 before I can redeem my belt with at least 20 stamps
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That's the one I have. Also got a brown belt. Actually it's same belt, I can just turn it inside out to change color.
Not bad for being self taught. I suspect that he must have trained with friends that have formal trainings. The red ribbon is just signifying the red corner vs the white corner. As you can see the judges with red flags and white flags .
For self-taught he's not bad. I've seen worse in the gym.
I must have watched a different vid to you all.
I saw a fat blackbelt, and an athletic dude with a questionable skillset, each going at ultra slow pace.
I've fought hundreds of point rounds, and aside from the occasional mess- about, never seen a pace so slow.
I've also fought hundreds of full contact rounds, the biggest difference being FC guys tend to stand and trade shots, while the point guys stick and move.
These guys did neither.
It's basically non contact karate tournament. It's lame.
This guy proves that whatever your style is, guarding the head and face are vital to fight sustainably.
Most of the guys beaten are not conscious of the head rather they focus on hitting.
I love seeing the workout/unique/unsuspecting type fighters.they got more heart and knowledgeable testing of the things they try to separate in terms of technique. They are the league of mystery that hold key to alot of new things to bring. Never underestimate the unknown.
Interesting. He uses combos quite well, while some who are more advanced in other disciplines forget them altogether.
I saw this kind of thing before. A self trained person entered a TKD tournament in Korea. He got destroyed. If this were full contact it would have ended rapidly.
the belt is probably just to keep his belly tucked in
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His strikes are too smooth to be a self taught guy, imo. had to have a lot of feedback and sparring practice.
I agree to smooth 2 b self taught
Or he is a natural learner.
Chris Eubank Jr used to train himself and he got himself to elite contender level in boxing. After taking a loss, he now has trainers.
He probably has a keen eye for playing Tekken.
It's disgusting how everybody makes jokes about that "fat" guy. I get it, every viewer from this channel is in a perfect condition, is training every day, etc..
I want to tell you a short story of a good friend of mine, this guy reminds me of him because the look like brothers :D
He is working at the office, has two kids and his wife at home and started Karate like 15 years ago. He loves it and attended competitions, even if he knew he is not a fighting genius and he never came far but he enjoys it. Some day he started training the children in his dojo and they all love him, it would warm your hearts seeing how much fun they have with him. But the more he did for others the less he could do for himself. Today he is still spending very much of his time at his work in the office and training others to get better than he could every be and as he comes home to his family he is not training further to get ripped, he joins his family and is being a good daddy.
I don't want to make excuses for those really fat no-touch "martial artists" but please consider the following:
This guy is not that fat as you are saying, get real!
He has a belly just like many of you people here have or will have once you found a more important thing than training in your life
He is still showing up in a tournament
He is very gentle with out self-taught guy here.
There is more to life than training and you don't know the story of everyone you see. There are much more reasons to get overweight. You can be happy not to have to deal with all those health issues you can have that decrease your muscle growth or blocks your fat burning ability. You always start bashing, guys. Please stop being such a..holes and get back to the open minded and friendly mindset a good martial artist should have. Stay fair!
And as you said "he is conserving energy", I think there is more to this here. His blocks are fast, his kicks are not. I am pretty sure the referee was counting the non-blocked kicks as hits so there was no reason to but more force to it.
Damn a whole book? Just call them idiots and move on.
To long dont care
For a self taught fellow he's pretty damn good. Seems like one of those lads that are just naturals and it probably helps that he's actually going around and fighting people or entering tournaments to hone his skills. I think if you put this guy with a legit MMA instructor or Muay Thai/Dutch Kickboxing instructor he'd go pretty far. Props to the guy man. Credit given where it's due.
That’s so awesome to see one of my good buddies on your channel!! He may be self trained is he is very skilled and very respectful. The essence of a black belt!!
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I haven't done martial arts in years, today I just train on my own with anything I can learn for both stand-up fighting and grappling, the main problem is that I don't have anyone to spar with so it's hard for me to tell how good my skills are. It's important to me because I am willing to keep my family protected and for many people I care about, it should be important to everyone who consider themselves strong and protective for the people they care about
Train a friend or a family member and spar with them. I know it's hard sometimes but at least is a step further
Nothing quite sums up the modern state of karate like a karate black belt losing a karate match to a guy who taught himself how to fight off of youtube.
I really wondered how well someone would be able to self teach / learn by just research. So this was great to see.
It seems he really excelled by his fitness and ability to mimic. When I say mimic I say watch himself in a mirror or video. His form is really on point, so this must be it.
Very nice for a guy that's self taught. Learn more from Yotube than Black Belt or Kung Fu Magazine.
He should try it with self protection gear and with force to test his own stamina and pain tolerance.
I remember Black Belt Magazine. Such a cool magazine.
@@FightCommentary Is it a Spanish or American Magazine ?
@@spitthunder0075 American magazine
@@spitthunder0075 that magazine had a spanish edition, I use to have one of them
@@alexisbeltran1604 do you speak spanish ?
We had a couple self trained men come into our Kung Fu San Soo studio. They looked great when they worked together. Very impressive. But when matched with green belt student they couldn't stand on their own at all.
I’ve seen karate black belts get whooped on the street by some no belts. My friend had twenty thousand hours of training and he got spanked by someone who was a genuine brute. A karate black belt is good at sparing but not all of them are good at fighting. Height, reach and weight always matter in a fight. A trained martial artist needs the element of surprise on the street if they’re a smaller and lighter person. They are at a disadvantage if they square off and allow their opponent to size them up. The person who throws the first punch almost always wins in a real fight. There’s a difference between fighting and self defense. Walk if you can but defend yourself if there’s no other alternative. It will keep you safe and out of jail.
As someone who practices karate, i can say its just a sport, its all point sparring nowadays. Its not really a fight.
never get in a fight is what i always say, because in a fight, you could either win or lose.
Mister,
even MMA fighter can get absolutely trashed by "non trained" brute. It is all contextual. Size matters, intent to hurt matters, age matters etc. etc.
I have to disagree about the person that throws the first punch. If the person taking that punch knows how to take a punch or simply put it offline its going to be game over. Street fights are always telegraphed and full of haymakers. Grew up with a guy that would always let his opponent throw first cause he was a tank and the second he countered it was lights out
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It looks a lot like a legitimate purple belt (the "self-trained" guy) vs. a McDojo "Black Belt". Just my opinion.
It was clearly sparring and the black belt was letting him do his thing. I know a mcdojo practitioner when I see one and this guy wasn't one.His guard was very good and I am sure that if he was trying hed dominate. There are no signs of mcdojo.
I am currently self training because I don't have the money for a dojo it's hard but seeing guys like this lets me be honored to know it's possible thanks for uploading this video you made my day 🙏
the self taught guy must be doing a lot of sparring
1:56 10k method looks like a Ken doll toy in that screen cap
This is wonderful...I'm self taught...this is inspiring...truly inspiring.
I know this comment is old but im wondering how do you teach yourself?
It would be interesting to see how he holds up in a full contact fight.
As someone who is also mostly self-taught, kudos to this guy for getting in there and testing himself against formally trained students. You have to pressure test because some techniques are objectively MUCH better than others... and even when a technique is good, it might not fit your body's physique well and still not work for YOU. One example is that I have long legs but not a long torso or long arms -- this creates a bigger gap between my kicking range and punching/grappling range than most people have, and it also prevents me from being as effective with certain moves like punching someone after feinting with a low kick. It's clear that he pressure tests his moves thoroughly and plays to his body type.
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If you do get in contact with him, tell him some random dude on the internet says to stop leaving weight on his back foot for so long when he feints a kick. That's fine for point sparring, but it's basically gaming the system and not honest to the nature of martial arts. It's easy to just charge a person and knock them down (via ramming hip to hip or shoving) when they are balancing precariously on their back foot like that. If he wants to understand what I mean better, tell him to study some Tai Chi or Shaolin Kung-Fu footwork. Or just tell him to light spar one time with a collegiate wrestler to understand how vulnerable he's making himself when he does that.
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The opponent in the 2017 light sparring match looks like (at best) a first degree black belt, and honestly I have seen better green belts. He didn't know what to do with such a fast and aggressive opponent. Most of the fight he just spent standing there in static guard, getting picked apart without even returning fire. And even without any attempt to maneuver or attack, he wasn't defending himself that well either. I'm not sure what he thought he was doing to be honest. Conserving energy is right. He wasn't doing anything at all, for almost the whole fight. If they fought five times I think he could win at least the last one -- it seemed like he was scared to get hit by a kick to the head, like he wasn't comfortable in there and just wanted it to end.
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I liked the 2016 match better. It was easier to see the power in his moves; it's easy in light sparring to throw something that looks good and even connects, but that would do virtually zero in an actual fight (and might even get you hurt). He definitely wasn't flowing as much, but that's the nature of a harder and/or more even fight. Rhythms are getting broken in a real fight between two similarly skilled combatants. You don't get to just slip from move to move without being challenged. The 2017 fight was horribly one-sided in both skill and fighting spirit. He looked good out there, but I thought he looked good in both matches.
To be honest, one flush kick or punch and these touch fighters are in DEEP DEEP WATER!!!
Before I even get into the video, I'll say this.
I've read Miyamoto Musashi's Book of 5 Rings; the Stephen Kaufman translation. One of the deepest books I've ever read. In it, Musashi stated that it is possible to be a self-taught martial artist, but it will take an incredible amount of self-discipline.
Before signing up for my first Kung-Fu school (two months before my 18th birthday), I tried to develop my own style, but was highly discouraged; my life, and not to mention my own inner mind, were unbearably noisy, distracting & discouraging.
Keep trying brotha, don't loose your motivation 😎👍🏿
I can't share links but have you guys reviewed the one video of the Shaolin "Monk" vs TKD Master? I know dude isn't a real monk but he's pretty damn fast. I'd love to see your guys take on it because both fighters seem super talented.
Yep. They reviewed it. The title is "Does Kung Fu Work In The Ring."
@@hankwatt Thank you!
Win Kai of Ten Thousand Method is the real deal. Say all you want about his opponent or the context of the match-up... but Win will out-strike you and out-hustle you all day.
Dude! Love your channel! Saw you on this channel a few times!
@@hankwatt much love brother. Thanks for the support!!
Self taught guy must have a lot sparring experience.
You know this dude definitely grew up watching DBZ and Naruto
He definitely could beat anyone there judging btw he moves
He did really well. Got a good understanding of movement, closing the gap, hands are up, combination striking and pressure. Self taught I’m impressed.
Self taught martial artist deserves respect from the masters, and all the other students in the dojo.
*As a self taught fighter myself, this dude has wome prodigy skills!* 🥋🤛
You are so expert and talented. Thank you for sharing, my friend. I hope all is well. Stay healthy and safe. Have a very blessed and wonderful week ahead to you and your family.
I wonder what he used to learn. I have no experience aside from scraps from when I was a kid n so on.. I could never do this. I’m to embarrassed to practice and put my self out there like this guy. 👍👍👍👍 I’m glad you put out content like this.
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Years ago, in the 70's, we had a guy in the area I lived in, who was a "self-proclaimed" black belt. He also trained himself, but he wasn't quite as good as this guy, but he would enter tournaments in the black belt divisions. He always had his ass handed to him, but we gave him applause for having the fortitude to keep doing it, until they finally banned him.
Dang that’s kinda cool
You’ve got to be kidding me. Neither one of these guys would survive in a real fight. And just because you have a black belt doesn’t mean you can actually fight.
The self taught fellow really knew what he was doin in the sense that he knew not to turn it into a real fight. They were both real good at sparring.
How many times are you gonna say , he’s going up against the black belt. I know a lot of guys that were first-degree second-degree third-degree black belt, but when it came straight flight they couldn’t defend themselves. I trained in American taekwondo as a kid, but learning how to box and wrestle . Helped more in street fights ,than taekwondo ever did. Actually only kind of kicking get ever help me to street fight, we’re Thai kicks either to the leg or the ribs especially the liver. And I didn’t need a black belt to learn how to do that. Today there’s so many belt factories it’s ridiculous. Especially in karate and kung fu styles, you are in a fight train MMA and add some dirty tactics to it.
My favorite moment is when I went my first time to Judo and never told them I took Shuai jiao and beat a black belt lol. They thought I was screwing with them and knew Judo 😁
RUclips university or not, dude synchs solidly compared to a lot of tried and true I know. He is showing some solid competency.
Saw some of the comments and can't help shaking my head.
HELLO~!! It's a sparring session!! The entire purpose of sparring is to help the self-taught guy improve on his techniques and correct any mistakes he might make, not to beat him down on the mat. You do not hurt your sparring partner just to dominate.
The slow strikes is so that both parties, including the referee, can see if the technique is done right, can it be improved, or does it need correction. And I'm fairly certain the karate black belt is looking out as well for the self-taught to assist him, and at the same time learning something himself.
If those of you who want to see someone getting beaten up go look for a fight yourselves, I'm pretty sure you'll enjoy the first hand experience more than just commenting here.
Self taught martial arts can only get you so far, after a certain point you definitely would plateau. Having a coach or someone more experienced showing you the ropes definitely does help but it's good that he's sparring up against people that are better than him. If he got some formal training in, he would be a beast
Pretty cool. Well you have to realize all Martial arts began by one person's self study.
Props to the guy for doing the work. His page suggests that this was a real tournament match, but it looked to me like a match where a black belt steps in because you don't have any opponents in your division. It was much different than the fight with the brown belt. It looked like they weren't taking it seriously, but the pace may just be different than what I'm used to in point sparring. Either way, he did a good job.
At first I thought "Adam Driver does martial arts?"
Adam driver was a marine 😂
I am right now self teaching my self in wushu
self taught guy is good seems to know what he is doing, would love to see him do a full contact.
Self-Taught Martial Artist won. This was over my expectation. Amazing 👍
The first one was clearly sparring and the black belt was letting him try some things out. His guard was great and I have no doubt he would have ended it quickly if it was full contact.
The self-taught guy is good, but he's telegraphing his moves a lot.
That's an amazing outro. I should learn it.
I've learned it!
@@hankwatt Really? I thought you must wear furry hat, good at archery and horse riding, and living nomadly then conquer the world. So it's not true?
I wonder how easy it is to be self taught with all the martial arts stuff on RUclips. I wonder if a person watched all my videos and trained themself how good would they be?
If they watched your videos they wouldn't be good at all😂😂😂
@@idky406 funny lol 😂
I have five black belts which I bought from JC PENNEY 🤣
Being self-taught is alright, as well as he spars often. I think pressure testing against people who are trained is a must in martial arts.
I’ve actually seen this guy before. Pretty sure he started a few years ago
How do they run this tournament? The reason why I'm mentioning this is because the self taught martial artist hit the stomach on multiple occasions. If he was competing in the tournament that I went to then he would've won the match in the first minute & that would apply if this was a TKD tournament as well.
Just because someone has a black belt in a martial art, doesn't mean he can fight.
It sometimes means, that someone learned the system in that particular art.
Blocks, punches, forms, technics etc. This is why sometimes an experienced street fighter
will defeat a martial art practitioner.
That said, ternaments have rules. This being his first time... He did good.
Stay safe and healthy.
Peace
To be honest the most important thing is just practise and sparring, punching a bag all day might make you look good but a real fight is a different thing, like Iron Mike said “everyone’s got a plan until they get punched in the face” and just judging by how this guy performed in this fight he must’ve at least done sparring before with someone with formal training 🤷♂️
I thought the self taught guy had very good technique, especially foot positioning, and his high kicks were great! Also amazing control, though they were going pretty light for a tournament.
Great job! Question: how much sparring experience do you have and against who?
I give credit to the self taught fighter. It reminds me of stories about the old founders of the arts who, since they were founders of their arts, sometimes didn't have a dojo to hone their art. They learned the hard way (Musashi was an example of this, as were the original founder of Wing Chun and Praying Mantis Kung Fu, if I remember correctly). This young man had pretty good form and displayed the ability to fight ambidextrously. I hope he keeps up the good work and continues to hone and improve his skills.
This guy seems better taught than a lot of schooled Karate guys. He isn't bad!
Self taught looks like he would destroy black belt in a competitive match
Kaiwin (Ten Thousand Method) is a great guy and has a lot of natural talent.
RUclips University is a better education program than free college. Lol
Brown is almost always the one right before black. With red as either an option for a 10th degree black belt, the first belt ever, the one just before brown, or just none at all
Some have it after orange
@@TNTTestificate Yeah, it really depends.
@@TNTTestificate typically those are mcdojos lacking merit. But then again I consider 80% of karate dojos mcdojos.
@@douglasmacneil4474 What do you think happened to Karate to destroy its public perception so much? Reading your comments and other people's comments on this video, almost everyone is not a fan of Karate. Was it the oversaturation of dojos in the 70s and 80s?
@@RobWatt no, it was the advent of point karate as the almost exclusive form of competition. For reference I have been a karate practitioner since I was 12. I love the art. But having trained in mandy different places. I can say it is very difficult to find skilled kqrate practitioners. Most are lost after a little touch. And most that claim to be traditionalists are mostly more classical than anything
The guy with no energy in his voice commenting about him going to “RUclips University” is obviously an untrained individual. People who condescend others for teaching themselves a skill are almost never proficient in the skill themselves. Jon Jones taught himself striking by watching RUclips videos by the way. Sometimes people are just good, and you don’t need to be so jealous. ✌️
I’m a small man but a little heavy for my height. I’m 5’3 and weigh 165. Most techniques that work for taller and average height people don’t work for me because of the height and reach advantage. Throwing roundhouse kicks and punches to the face don’t work for me. Getting low and inside the torso works for me. Straight punches and knees to the groin are more practical for a guy like me. However, groin shots aren’t allowed in a sanctioned fight. That’s why I train with the bob dummy for close quarter combat if I’m ever in a situation where I can’t escape. I enjoy the advice and comments from skilled and unskilled fighters because I learn a lot from another person’s perspective. Peace my friends.
Pretty much look at how Mike Tyson and Jack Dempsy fought both heavy weight champs that were fighting much taller men using style for closing gaps.
For some reason, I get the distinct impression that he’d destroy that black belt in a real fight.
The black belt looks like he could hit harder, and he's the right height to throw some nasty body shots.
I have no training in any fighting at all. I wouldn't think twice about fighting anyone with training or not. I'll even fight a "pro". Just set a time and date.
I like this alot. Bow in respect to this guy. Much of my journey have been self experimentation, seminars & classes when I am able. I never really had a "conventional work schedule" so training at a dojo regularly was difficult. I was referred to as the irregular regular guy by different teachers.
I honestly can't see what he's self taught himself, I've seen kids do more moves than that!
The black belt looks like he is taking it easy
Light contact is very educational. Both fighters are good and looks experienced.
I like that dude's footing
PS, if any of you think the black belt would have an edge if it went full contact, that is only if the black belt had full contact experience. Many people go into shock the first few times they are hit in the face. If the self taught was a rugby player or something and the black belt was a point karate guy, I give an edge to the self taught guy. Just for an example.
In that first match . They called time....about a 2 min round. It looked to be some sort of demo and not actual point fighting, definately not a black belt level competition, the blackbelt was going very easy as if he was against a white belt a child or a female.
I think its possible to learn a lot from self teaching. The benefit of being in a gym is sparring and corrections in form that coaches provide. But if a person has a good grasp on drills and fundamentals I think they could be pretty functional learning on their own. I grew up Boxing in a gym with a coach and after the basics you essentially self teach through sparring. Sure coaches drop knowledge and help you correct form but you can do that through discipline as well. I practiced Capoeira for about two years and got two cords and was almost exclusively self taught. I would only see my instructor a few times a year. I learned just by playing with other people who were low level cords themselves and watching youtube videos on how to perform certain moves.
For someone with no formal training, he's pretty good.
If he's a workout guy, it kind of makes sense. Physical conditioning and flexibility goes a long way in a fight; it might in fact be one of the single most important factors, so the fact he's in good shape helps a lot. But his kicks and strikes look pretty good all same. Even if he's not got any formal training himself, I'd bet money that spend a lot of time in gyms sparring with people who do.
I think that black belt guy is actually more dangerous against burritos and pizzas
The yellow bag they throw into the mat is just the way the timekeeper signifies that the alloted time is up and the match is over. Pretty much like how the judges table throw a knotted belt into the mats to signify the end of match time in BJJ tournaments.
I thought I saw Saenchai's question-mark kick for a moment.
the self taught guy knows how to throw kicks and punches pretty good he must train a lot. A lot of people would think the guy has trained for a long long time doing all those combos and moves
karate guy got his ass handed to him by a basement dweller, you make us all proud man.
I have a friend self taught too and fought a Black belt karate fighter too, It was a 3 round match, he Lost but won round 2, was a nice fight, i will send you the video, Hope u watch
Would be very interested to see what this guy's ground game is like.
ISKA is International Sport Karate Association. The bean bag that is thrown in, is when the round time is up. Most matches have a 3 minute time limit. By the way, this is continuous sparring, not a regular point sparring match that is broke up after each point is called by 4 corner judges and the center (head) referee.
I teach myself moves from playing Tekken lol
What style gave him a black belt?
The black BElt was so one sided as he only used his right dominant side and basically had no use of hands. They may not have been allowed to use hands given lack of headgear, but even so, you can use your hands to get your opponents eyes looking one way to set up a kick to the other side. The black belt also looks like he only knows one kick...the roundhouse. No side kick, hook kick, crescent kick, or snap kick to his arsenal.
Kudos to the self taught guy. He knew how to use his legs to both defend and use front kick to his advantage.