I went in a running store near my house recently and tried on trail runners to find the kind that felt the best on my foot. (I have a prominent bunion 😏) I bought the Hoka Speedgoat 2. So far, I love them!! I haven’t put major miles on them but I hike in Alabama where there are lots of roots, gravel, rocks and creek crossings. No slipping. Lots of cushion. Very comfortable, no pressure points. After I bought them, I watched the Netflix movie of Meltzer running the AT and he wore Hokas. You may want to check ‘em out if you haven’t already. I won’t be hiking the AT til 2020 so I have time to test some other kinds like Altras and Brooks but these Hokas are pretty great!
If they made Altra Lone Peaks with a thicker Vibram sole and the same tread pattern, I would be 100% stoked. The longest hike I've gone in my Altras is 30 miles (day) and after around mile 20, the bottoms of my feet were cashed. I started to negatively feel every nuance. Just a little thicker durable sole would build in greater durability for the shoe and more resilience for the bottoms of the feet. We just got back yesterday from looping Mt. St. Helens and I purposefully did not bring these shoes because of all the pool ball sized pumice rocks thru the blast area on the north side. Shoes seem to constantly be the weakest link in my gear. Thanks for posting!
Foot gear is so subjective. I bought lone peak 3.5 for the wide toe box. I'm 63 and have "duck feet" so the toe box could be a bit wider for me. Still they are the most comfortable shoes I have ever owned. So far over 150 miles with no issues. Hope they work for you.
Shoes are definitely a personal choice. The zero drops don’t work for me. I’ve been wearing the LaSportiva Wildcats and they have been awesome. Comfort and decent durability. Wish the sole had a little more beef when carrying 25+ lbs. but still acceptable. Dry well too.
Altra was very popular in the AT in 2016. However, nobody was happy with them through the PA rocks. Not sure if they will perform well on Rocky terrain. The new model does look more rugged than the 2016 model though. Let us know your thoughts when you can evaluate the new model. Enjoy your videos as always.
I exclusively use Salomons. I have four pairs the trail runners, ultra x, winter boot version and alpine/mountaineering boot. Never a blister for me. All still holding up well. Soles not degrading much. Highly recommend them.
T Morgan I’m pushing 60 as well. I’ve had trouble with my feet for years. Tried everything under the sun and when I spent a week in my Altra Lone Peaks all my vast collection of trail runners went to the Goodwill. My dawgs have been in heaven ever since.
The lone Peak 3.5s are my favorite hiking shoes. I have 200 miles on mine with no issues. Thr traction performed very well in the whites even when it was raining and wet on Garfield ridge. I can't wait for your smoky mountain videos
Below are my thoughts on the LP 4 for hiking (first pair of Altras). Hiked about 47 miles in them over 5 days. After about 8 miles each day my feet would start to get sore, I'd compare it to the feeling of a really bad (too hard) foot massage. Rocks wouldn't hurt when stepping on them, far from it, but the morning after when waking up and standing on my feet after a nights rest, my feet would be super cramped and I'd hobble for a few steps trying to find some grip. And after 8 miles my feet would start to feel slightly cramped again. (And when I got home I still could feel the impact for some time.) On steep downhills my foot would slide forward in the shoe, thankfully, not hitting the front (barely). No complaints about the grip (up or downhill) though. While the big toe box is a plus, it's also a negative in the sense that you need to be aware where there's support to push of your feet. Sometimes I'd put my foot down and push of only to realize in that part of the shoe (left or right outer corner), it's dead space as in no toes are there to provide support, just shoe fabric. I do feel it's easier with shoes like these to sprain your ankle and / or tear a ligament in the process. My ankle went out under me, 4-5 times due to not being careful where I stepped. The zero drop worked beautifully, no issues with that at all. Walked 15 miles in a pair of Nike shoes, not too long ago and could really feel my shins hurting the next day. Didn't have any blisters or nail problems in these shoes either and the LP are really light and comfortable. Wish I'd learned of the Olympus 3.0 before I bought these. My hope is those would have worked better for the conditions I hiked in. The LP 4 seems fine for smooth gravely terrain. But beyond? Maybe my feet just need to adjust. I'm not sure but would have enjoyed more cushioning. What do others think?
The LP 3.5 sucked for me. In under 20 miles the insole had begun sliding around inside, and the heel padding slipped loose inside the sock liner. Altra stood behind it, but that was of little consequence when it happened on the Laurel Highlands Trail.
I LOVED my Brooks Cascadia 7’s and 8’s. When Brooks Cascadia 9’s came out they drastically changed the toe beds. The 9’s were not as comfortable and prematurely fell apart. The 10’s were no better. They were trash. I love the Altra Lone Peak 3.5s. I have used them for the last year and I’ve had no problems with them. It’s so sad. I loved my old Brooks. 😢
I've got the Lone Peak 3.5s and generally love them - but there is an exception. Once you start scurrying up and down rock, you have to be careful. I was crawling around on granite, and the cushion between the sole and rest of the shoe just can't take being rubbed up against that kind of rock. It's just too soft. I'm going up Mount Whitney in a couple of weeks, and am training on Moab 2 Vents because of the amount of rock involved. But if you can avoid that sort of contact, they tend to work out pretty well. I love the zero drop and the roomier toe box.
I completely agree. I would also add off-trail in LP's 3.5 on a pretty steep slope without trekking poles is pretty difficult. I find that my feet don't get the kind of purchase in the toe box and I feel like it's the cushion layer that's to blame. There was a lot of my toes searching for purchase on the terrain, but mostly just rolling inside the shoe. Groomed trail is where LP's perform best for me. I also agree with the Moab 2 recommendation for rocky terrain. I always use these if I know the trail is going to be rough. This is the kind of lug I wish Altra would dedicate to one of their shoes. I'm looking at Altra King MT 1.5 Trail-Runners at the moment. Do you have any experience with these?
Tried on the the Peaks and they initially felt like I was standing on a cloud, but after a bit they just did not feel as comfortable as the Cascadias. For me, they did not feel as supportive in the arch and outer edge. I really wanted to love them but I had to listen to my feet. Maybe if I switched out the insoles to Superfeet... Meantime, I’ll go with the Brooks and plan to swap them out sooner.
The Lone Peak 4 has been great for me so far, a little more aggressive sole, a touch roomier in the toe, better lace system and a better heel strike to absorb. Now the test is to see the tread wear, too early to tell on that. All in all a great improvement over the 3.5!
I think you're going to love the Lone Peaks. Most comfortable shoe I've tried. I'm a Brooks fanboy too for running. But for hiking, the Lone Peaks take the trophy IMO for comfort and durability.
I've been hiking with Altra Lone Peaks 3.5 and then 4.0, but found out that the zero drop was causing me pain where my achilles tendon connects to my heel, where I have bone spurs that grab the achilles. The more I hike with zero drop, the more my achilles pain has been getting. I ordered some Brooks Cascadia 12's this week to try (just like in your video...same color and everything). I think the 10mm drop will help my situation with the bone spurs/Achilles pain. The Lone Peaks felt so great on the trail, that I loved them. It's like walking on air. But the Achilles pain from the zero drop is too much for me to overcome. I wish Altra would make some trail runners with heel-to-toe drop (like 10mm), because I really love the shoes, and especially the large toe box. I guess I have holes to look forward to with the Cascadia!
I hear ya. I found the same fit and feel in the Saucony Peregrine as you did with the Brooks. Great tread, lightweight and comfort all day long. First version no wear in over 200 miles. Second newer version wore through near the toe in 50 miles. Very disappointing when dropping $100+ on a pair of shoes. I did buy the Altra 3.5 and the very first hike I realized just how SOFT the insole is. Like walking on a cloud but TONS of ankle roll. I will be upgrading the insole immediately. Thanks for the info!
I like the Altra 3.5, but they do have issues with the toe cap coming loose. They also have an issue with the insole moving around, especially when wet, so took the insoles from my Merrells and put those in; works better. Looking forward to your "in use" review of the 4.0's since I will soon need a new pair to replace my Altra 3.0's. To me, the tread on the Calderas coming loose could create a tripping hazard.
All Brooks shoe I had ended up with holes after a couple miles but on the other side they had the best feeling so far for someone like me who has very flat feet.
yeah also want to test the speedgoats 2 and adidas Terrex , really loved my lone peak 3.5, the fit perfect, are durable, traction is good, but for me the sole is too soft when Iam walking on stony ground, was after a few days really painful, didnt had that problem before in other shoes ( some asics, where the traction was not good enough)
The insoles suck on the Altra. Consider switching them out or glue them in. Also, don't put the Altra in a washing machine. They'll fall apart, and it voids the warranty. I learned the hard way even though they had no warranty info online that I could find....
I had some weird cramps with the zero drop Altra's . Had to alternate with an old pair of Merrell's until my chassis adjusted! I'd wear them part time for a few days to get used to them. I love them now though. Seems logical to me now, zero drop is your natural gait like walking barefoot. I've been hiking short hikes in sandals lately, which is great too. Makes me super mindful of foot placement!
Will I am glad you finally drank the punch and joined the Altra group. Like most I tried the La Sportiva and Solomon hiking shoes. As soon as I put my Altra Lone Peak 3.5s on I knew they were it. I now only where Altra shoes for hiking, hunting, and everyday. If I am awake I want them on my feet. They make my feet feel better all the time.
The part that’s even more sad than the fact the I got injured wearing the shoes is that they just got bought by a massive corporation. That deserves a double frown face ☹️☹️
Sorry you got hurt! Hope the healing is going well. If you know anything about the owner, he never wanted to start a shoe company. He just wanted the shoe companies to fix their design so he could sell them to his running customers. He is an avid runner himself and still holds several records from the age of 14. I know that him selling the company will change the shoe, unless he kept some final decision making power on the design. Hoping that is the case.
Hey Redbeard, how did the soles hold out on the altras? What are you wearing these days. My biggest issue when considering trail runners is the longevity of the soles. Any thoughts?
I have a pair of Lone Peak 4.0, which i really like for the wide toe box and traction. But I also have a pair of Salomon X Ultra 3 (non-GTX) and they’re amazing. Not as wide as the Altras, but a really comfortable, solid shoe. I actually like the Quick Lace system as well.
Glue the toe tabs on the Altras. Shoe Goo didn't work that well so I'm going to try some Gear Aid Freesole shoe glue. Also the Altra Mid Mesh are a nice compromise if you want a little extra ankle support and protection.
I have Brooks Cascadia 10's. Maybe put 100 miles on them (including a Philmont trek w/ my son's Scout Crew) and they're great. BUT they also are starting to wear in the same spot. On both sides of my left foot (inside and outside). Looks like this could've been an easy fix for Brooks by extending the inside support, but I'll certainly look at the Alta Lone Peak for my next shoe too as I have another Philmont Trek w/ my other son coming up in 2019 and plenty of prep hikes before it.
Asics Gel Venture 6. They're very cushy. I only recently found out they can be bought with a 4e width. There's a fellow, Jay Wanders Out who is doing the PCT this year and posting videos on RUclips. I asked him how many miles he's egtting out of them and he said around 500. Guess what? I bought a pair at the beginning of August and they were $46.55!!! On Amazon they say they're their most popular trail running shoe. I was on the PCT last year and didn't see any. I really like them.
Corcoran Jump Boots, I get between 2&3 years worth out of them, and they see hundreds (if not thousands) of miles. Definitely not ultra light, solid American made leather. Can take a bit to get broken in, but solid.
Thanks for the suggestion. Tough to beat the longevity of a good leather boot. But I really want to stick to more running shoe type construction since my pack weight is so light.
Not really a suggestion, just stating what works for me. I'm more of a destination hiker as opposed to a thru hiker. I guess if i put 2500 miles in one go, I'd have a lighter pack and lighter shoes. But they also double as my work boots, so my shoe budget being maxed out and all, need to stick with an all around good boot. Enjoy your vids.
I love my 3.5’s but find they are not very stable in loose rock or off camber trails. The tread wants to roll out from under my foot. I’ve laced them several different ways to no avail. I live in Phoenix so rock is 90 percent of what I hike in.
Salomon XA pro 3DS Wide width. They are the best for my wife feet plus I love the fast lace cable system. I get 400 miles on them. Great tread grip and breathability.
I switched from brooks to altras and haven't worn my cascadias since..shoes are a tough one ..everyones feet are different..the zero drop takes time to get used to..hope you like them..
Let’s face it, anything that doesn’t hurt your feet is the way to go. Am I right? I’ve tried many different brands and styles. Some wear out faster than others but at the end of the day, it’s your feet!
DAMN....I came really close to buying Calderas. An ultra marathon friend of mine recommended Topos to me. Bought a pair and they are similar to Altras. So glad I didn't go with the Calderas now.
Just bought the Cascadia 13 a couple days ago. I tried 2 different shoes on the thru-hike of the AT in 2014. (Cascadia 9 and the Solomons) To be honest the Brooks were my favorite of the 2 making it from Damascus to DWG, however I had the exact same holes as you on the side. Disappointing to hear it's the same... However I was pleased with the 700 I got with them on the AT.
This is odd for Brooks. Obviously, you've demonstrated your evidence but from my own experience with Brooks (many pairs, though no trail runners) they've all performed well for long periods of time. I've had daily wear Ghosts now for about 4 years and they look darn near brand new. I don't really wear them every day but at least 1-3 hours 280 days a year. Probably 8 hours or more 175+ days. I've switched back to Brooks for running after going to Nimbus and was planning to get a pair of Cascadias. My Hoka Challengers (I think) held up well at the Grand Canyon but I didn't go very far. Some people's feet are just hard on certain shoes or certain brands. I've now ditched Asics because the cushioning is no longer as good as it was and other models have been harder to break in. Shoes are often very personal and sometimes hit or miss, even between models within brands. But thanks for the video.
I have both, Caldera 1 and 2. No seperation on the soles yet. One pair I just knock around in and the other I hike in. Low mileage in both right now. Maybe yours were made when they were using a different glue or something. I would give Brooks a call on the Calderas though. You should have gotten more than a hundred miles on those boys. Their customer service has always been top notch for me.
any thoughts on the la sportiva ultra raptors? I tried them on the highline and the rocky trail and mountain kicked out butts. no blisters. no foot problems at 40+ miles in.
great vid.. love my Atras.. I use the mid mesh 3.5 and absolutely love them.. it years to find the perfect shoe for me .. my only struggle with them is that I find I need to super glue the toe tip before even wearing them, they always tear open for me with in the first 100 miles. it happened to both my low tops and mids
Nice comparison. Ive been searching for the right shoe as well. My big issue with the Altra lone peak (I have 3.0) is they are very slippery! I’ve been using Salomon speedcross 4 and love them, but my toes get squished after a while on the sides. The salomons have good grip, I was so disappointed in the Altras as they fit my foot like a slipper.
Yes they do. Thats where the 4.0s should improve. Different tread pattern and different tread material. Should be a big leap forward in my opinion but we will have to see.
Thats a shame i like the looks of those calderas! Looks an function they seem better than the altras but looks can be decieving i guess.. Hope the 3.5's do you justice! Stay safe! Hike on!
I've been wearing the Merrell Chameleon Prime Stretch for years and never a single problem. I don't thru-hike like you do but I have racked up tons of miles over the years. The pair I have was bought in 2007 and I've logged an awful lot of miles on them in eleven years. The sole is still completely intact and I've been thru some rough terrain. Same with the upper's...not a single hole or anything. I know most people now days are bandwagon and just on anything and everything they see others doing so i get it. I'm just curious out of all the comments only one person even mentioned Merrell. I welcome any honest opinions because I'm very curious about this.....maybe I need to try something else? Oh and I'm surely stressing the shoes out at 6'3 285#....I will admit most of the hiking was done at 235# though. Still not a lightweight.
Be careful. I had an achilles tear and during my physical therapy I told my podiatrist I was switching to a zero drop shoe (the Lonepeak 3.5s) and he said "no, don't do it" He said the most achilles injuries he treats come from zero drop footwear. Have you looked at the sportive wildcats?
I have looked at them. I tend to lean more towards shoes that have a soft heal, typically more like a running shoe. Just personal preference. But I might just have to give them a try soon! Thanks for the tips.
Damn, I got excited when I saw you using the Calderas for the Uinta Highline Trail. I have the exact same ones (even paid the same price!) and I have been loving them so far, but they only have a dozen miles or so on them. I hope I have a better experience than you with them, but any shoe should be able to last for hundreds of miles, no matter how brutal the trail. What causes the holes in the Cascadias? Is it abrasion? I wonder if you could put some tenacious tape on them to protect them without diminishing their comfort. But at the end of the day, any shoe that runs over $100 shouldn't require babysitting with tape and whatnot - they ought to perform right out of the box, period.
4.0 comment the narrowed the toe box, unwearable for me now, trying the thim whatever Altura now seems to retain the wider toe box.. What do you know???
I’ve been wearing Lone Peaks for the last 2 years and they have been great except for one issue. I am a heel striker and I have blown through the heels of my Lone Peaks rather quick. Was thinking about checking out the Cascadias next. Does anyone have the same issue as me and can recommend a trail runner with heels that last?
Yannick Collin yes typically a half to a full-size bigger than normal. You want to make sure your toes are not hitting the tip of the shoe when hiking downhill. 👍
Ive tried the Speedcross before, didnt really hike in it long enough to make a judgement. I needed up switching away to Brooks for the shorter break in time. But I have heard a ton of good things about Salomon so i might try them out in the future.
Are all of the shoes you featured made in china? That would explain the lack of durability. Over the years, I have learned to only invest money in European (Italy, Romania) built shoes for durability and comfort. They easily last two to three times as long as others.
doubt I will ever get Brooks again. I was in them for years-but just do not work for me at all-biggest complaint is the laces-I have to tie my shoes so often-not sure if I am doing something wrong-nothing I try works. Not getting any where with customer service.
I’m probably going to get downvotes from skeptics, but I would be interested to see your review if you did a ~100 hike in Crocs’ Offroad sport clog: www.crocs.com/p/offroad-sport-clog/202651.html.
Why wouldn’t you put shoe review in the title? Not only s it clickbait for people who weren’t interested in a shoe review but like your other videos, but you are missing out on possible new viewers who are looking for a good shoe review.
I went in a running store near my house recently and tried on trail runners to find the kind that felt the best on my foot. (I have a prominent bunion 😏) I bought the Hoka Speedgoat 2. So far, I love them!! I haven’t put major miles on them but I hike in Alabama where there are lots of roots, gravel, rocks and creek crossings. No slipping. Lots of cushion. Very comfortable, no pressure points. After I bought them, I watched the Netflix movie of Meltzer running the AT and he wore Hokas. You may want to check ‘em out if you haven’t already. I won’t be hiking the AT til 2020 so I have time to test some other kinds like Altras and Brooks but these Hokas are pretty great!
If they made Altra Lone Peaks with a thicker Vibram sole and the same tread pattern, I would be 100% stoked. The longest hike I've gone in my Altras is 30 miles (day) and after around mile 20, the bottoms of my feet were cashed. I started to negatively feel every nuance. Just a little thicker durable sole would build in greater durability for the shoe and more resilience for the bottoms of the feet. We just got back yesterday from looping Mt. St. Helens and I purposefully did not bring these shoes because of all the pool ball sized pumice rocks thru the blast area on the north side. Shoes seem to constantly be the weakest link in my gear. Thanks for posting!
I get what you're saying, but other than something like HOKA shoes, there isn't a thicker sole out there.
Check out the Altra Olympus 3.0s. They have a thicker sole than the lone peaks. You might prefer them. Happy Hiking
Thanks for the recommendation. 🤙 Looking at the Altra King MT 1.5 Trail-Runners at the moment.
Foot gear is so subjective. I bought lone peak 3.5 for the wide toe box. I'm 63 and have "duck feet" so the toe box could be a bit wider for me. Still they are the most comfortable shoes I have ever owned. So far over 150 miles with no issues. Hope they work for you.
Shoes are definitely a personal choice. The zero drops don’t work for me. I’ve been wearing the LaSportiva Wildcats and they have been awesome. Comfort and decent durability. Wish the sole had a little more beef when carrying 25+ lbs. but still acceptable. Dry well too.
Altra was very popular in the AT in 2016. However, nobody was happy with them through the PA rocks. Not sure if they will perform well on Rocky terrain. The new model does look more rugged than the 2016 model though. Let us know your thoughts when you can evaluate the new model. Enjoy your videos as always.
I exclusively use Salomons. I have four pairs the trail runners, ultra x, winter boot version and alpine/mountaineering boot. Never a blister for me. All still holding up well. Soles not degrading much. Highly recommend them.
I LOVE my Altra Olympus. Much cushier than the Lone Peaks for my 57 year old feet. No issues with the Olympus so far.
T Morgan I’m pushing 60 as well. I’ve had trouble with my feet for years. Tried everything under the sun and when I spent a week in my Altra Lone Peaks all my vast collection of trail runners went to the Goodwill. My dawgs have been in heaven ever since.
@@lisaray6493 Thats great!
The lone Peak 3.5s are my favorite hiking shoes. I have 200 miles on mine with no issues. Thr traction performed very well in the whites even when it was raining and wet on Garfield ridge. I can't wait for your smoky mountain videos
Below are my thoughts on the LP 4 for hiking (first pair of Altras).
Hiked about 47 miles in them over 5 days.
After about 8 miles each day my feet would start to get sore, I'd compare it to the feeling of a really bad (too hard) foot massage.
Rocks wouldn't hurt when stepping on them, far from it, but the morning after when waking up and standing on my feet after a nights rest, my feet would be super cramped and I'd hobble for a few steps trying to find some grip. And after 8 miles my feet would start to feel slightly cramped again. (And when I got home I still could feel the impact for some time.)
On steep downhills my foot would slide forward in the shoe, thankfully, not hitting the front (barely). No complaints about the grip (up or downhill) though.
While the big toe box is a plus, it's also a negative in the sense that you need to be aware where there's support to push of your feet. Sometimes I'd put my foot down and push of only to realize in that part of the shoe (left or right outer corner), it's dead space as in no toes are there to provide support, just shoe fabric.
I do feel it's easier with shoes like these to sprain your ankle and / or tear a ligament in the process. My ankle went out under me, 4-5 times due to not being careful where I stepped.
The zero drop worked beautifully, no issues with that at all. Walked 15 miles in a pair of Nike shoes, not too long ago and could really feel my shins hurting the next day.
Didn't have any blisters or nail problems in these shoes either and the LP are really light and comfortable.
Wish I'd learned of the Olympus 3.0 before I bought these. My hope is those would have worked better for the conditions I hiked in.
The LP 4 seems fine for smooth gravely terrain. But beyond? Maybe my feet just need to adjust. I'm not sure but would have enjoyed more cushioning.
What do others think?
The LP 3.5 sucked for me. In under 20 miles the insole had begun sliding around inside, and the heel padding slipped loose inside the sock liner. Altra stood behind it, but that was of little consequence when it happened on the Laurel Highlands Trail.
I LOVED my Brooks Cascadia 7’s and 8’s. When Brooks Cascadia 9’s came out they drastically changed the toe beds. The 9’s were not as comfortable and prematurely fell apart. The 10’s were no better. They were trash. I love the Altra Lone Peak 3.5s. I have used them for the last year and I’ve had no problems with them. It’s so sad. I loved my old Brooks. 😢
I've got the Lone Peak 3.5s and generally love them - but there is an exception.
Once you start scurrying up and down rock, you have to be careful. I was crawling around on granite, and the cushion between the sole and rest of the shoe just can't take being rubbed up against that kind of rock. It's just too soft. I'm going up Mount Whitney in a couple of weeks, and am training on Moab 2 Vents because of the amount of rock involved.
But if you can avoid that sort of contact, they tend to work out pretty well. I love the zero drop and the roomier toe box.
The Lone Peaks sadly just ended my hike only 30 miles in to this hike I was on. I messed a muscle up due to multiple bad slips in these shoes.
I completely agree. I would also add off-trail in LP's 3.5 on a pretty steep slope without trekking poles is pretty difficult. I find that my feet don't get the kind of purchase in the toe box and I feel like it's the cushion layer that's to blame. There was a lot of my toes searching for purchase on the terrain, but mostly just rolling inside the shoe. Groomed trail is where LP's perform best for me. I also agree with the Moab 2 recommendation for rocky terrain. I always use these if I know the trail is going to be rough. This is the kind of lug I wish Altra would dedicate to one of their shoes. I'm looking at Altra King MT 1.5 Trail-Runners at the moment. Do you have any experience with these?
Tried on the the Peaks and they initially felt like I was standing on a cloud, but after a bit they just did not feel as comfortable as the Cascadias. For me, they did not feel as supportive in the arch and outer edge.
I really wanted to love them but I had to listen to my feet. Maybe if I switched out the insoles to Superfeet...
Meantime, I’ll go with the Brooks and plan to swap them out sooner.
The Lone Peak 4 has been great for me so far, a little more aggressive sole, a touch roomier in the toe, better lace system and a better heel strike to absorb. Now the test is to see the tread wear, too early to tell on that. All in all a great improvement over the 3.5!
I think you're going to love the Lone Peaks. Most comfortable shoe I've tried. I'm a Brooks fanboy too for running. But for hiking, the Lone Peaks take the trophy IMO for comfort and durability.
LOL, I wrote this comment before you said they take the "trophy". Great minds...
Im really excited to try them out on a longer hike!
I've been hiking with Altra Lone Peaks 3.5 and then 4.0, but found out that the zero drop was causing me pain where my achilles tendon connects to my heel, where I have bone spurs that grab the achilles. The more I hike with zero drop, the more my achilles pain has been getting. I ordered some Brooks Cascadia 12's this week to try (just like in your video...same color and everything). I think the 10mm drop will help my situation with the bone spurs/Achilles pain. The Lone Peaks felt so great on the trail, that I loved them. It's like walking on air. But the Achilles pain from the zero drop is too much for me to overcome. I wish Altra would make some trail runners with heel-to-toe drop (like 10mm), because I really love the shoes, and especially the large toe box. I guess I have holes to look forward to with the Cascadia!
I hear ya. I found the same fit and feel in the Saucony Peregrine as you did with the Brooks. Great tread, lightweight and comfort all day long. First version no wear in over 200 miles. Second newer version wore through near the toe in 50 miles. Very disappointing when dropping $100+ on a pair of shoes. I did buy the Altra 3.5 and the very first hike I realized just how SOFT the insole is. Like walking on a cloud but TONS of ankle roll. I will be upgrading the insole immediately. Thanks for the info!
I like the Altra 3.5, but they do have issues with the toe cap coming loose. They also have an issue with the insole moving around, especially when wet, so took the insoles from my Merrells and put those in; works better. Looking forward to your "in use" review of the 4.0's since I will soon need a new pair to replace my Altra 3.0's. To me, the tread on the Calderas coming loose could create a tripping hazard.
La Sportiva Wildcats are the best I've found so far, for me
All Brooks shoe I had ended up with holes after a couple miles but on the other side they had the best feeling so far for someone like me who has very flat feet.
I’d check out the Speedgoat 2s from Hoka too. Vibram outsole is really durable and tons of traction for the rocky and technical stuff.
My buddy Matt recently hiked in some Hokas and he had no complaints. Im gonna check them out eventually.
yeah also want to test the speedgoats 2 and adidas Terrex , really loved my lone peak 3.5, the fit perfect, are durable, traction is good, but for me the sole is too soft when Iam walking on stony ground, was after a few days really painful, didnt had that problem before in other shoes ( some asics, where the traction was not good enough)
The insoles suck on the Altra. Consider switching them out or glue them in. Also, don't put the Altra in a washing machine. They'll fall apart, and it voids the warranty. I learned the hard way even though they had no warranty info online that I could find....
Thanks for the tips!
I love my 3.5s. HIked half of SHT with them plus day hikes in prep.
I had some weird cramps with the zero drop Altra's . Had to alternate with an old pair of Merrell's until my chassis adjusted! I'd wear them part time for a few days to get used to them. I love them now though. Seems logical to me now, zero drop is your natural gait like walking barefoot. I've been hiking short hikes in sandals lately, which is great too. Makes me super mindful of foot placement!
My Altra 3.5s are holding up well. Probably about 100 hiking miles on them and I have worn them daily since December 2017.
Nice comparison! I’ve had similar holes forming with Hoka Challenger 3 , which would get disappointing only after 400 Miles.
Will I am glad you finally drank the punch and joined the Altra group. Like most I tried the La Sportiva and Solomon hiking shoes. As soon as I put my Altra Lone Peak 3.5s on I knew they were it. I now only where Altra shoes for hiking, hunting, and everyday. If I am awake I want them on my feet. They make my feet feel better all the time.
You are really gonna hate my next video! ☹️
No worries man. It is all good. At least I had you for a little while in the brotherhood of the Altra.
The part that’s even more sad than the fact the I got injured wearing the shoes is that they just got bought by a massive corporation. That deserves a double frown face ☹️☹️
Sorry you got hurt! Hope the healing is going well.
If you know anything about the owner, he never wanted to start a shoe company. He just wanted the shoe companies to fix their design so he could sell them to his running customers. He is an avid runner himself and still holds several records from the age of 14.
I know that him selling the company will change the shoe, unless he kept some final decision making power on the design. Hoping that is the case.
The sole will begin to separate ast the toe after 100 miles or so. It does separate completely and I usually just cut that portion off.
Yeah thats typically what I do as well
Hey Redbeard, how did the soles hold out on the altras? What are you wearing these days. My biggest issue when considering trail runners is the longevity of the soles. Any thoughts?
I have a pair of Lone Peak 4.0, which i really like for the wide toe box and traction. But I also have a pair of Salomon X Ultra 3 (non-GTX) and they’re amazing. Not as wide as the Altras, but a really comfortable, solid shoe. I actually like the Quick Lace system as well.
Glue the toe tabs on the Altras. Shoe Goo didn't work that well so I'm going to try some Gear Aid Freesole shoe glue. Also the Altra Mid Mesh are a nice compromise if you want a little extra ankle support and protection.
I have Brooks Cascadia 10's. Maybe put 100 miles on them (including a Philmont trek w/ my son's Scout Crew) and they're great. BUT they also are starting to wear in the same spot. On both sides of my left foot (inside and outside). Looks like this could've been an easy fix for Brooks by extending the inside support, but I'll certainly look at the Alta Lone Peak for my next shoe too as I have another Philmont Trek w/ my other son coming up in 2019 and plenty of prep hikes before it.
After spending a week on deciding a trail running shoe i decided to buy these hole appearing shoes. I hope Cascadia 14 will have some improvements
I've seen several reviews where the Altra Lone Peak 3.5 and 4.0 foam cushioning just does not hold up. I'd be curious how yours will hold up. Thanks.
Asics Gel Venture 6. They're very cushy. I only recently found out they can be bought with a 4e width. There's a fellow, Jay Wanders Out who is doing the PCT this year and posting videos on RUclips. I asked him how many miles he's egtting out of them and he said around 500. Guess what? I bought a pair at the beginning of August and they were $46.55!!! On Amazon they say they're their most popular trail running shoe. I was on the PCT last year and didn't see any. I really like them.
Corcoran Jump Boots, I get between 2&3 years worth out of them, and they see hundreds (if not thousands) of miles. Definitely not ultra light, solid American made leather. Can take a bit to get broken in, but solid.
one in every bunch
Thanks for the suggestion. Tough to beat the longevity of a good leather boot. But I really want to stick to more running shoe type construction since my pack weight is so light.
Not really a suggestion, just stating what works for me. I'm more of a destination hiker as opposed to a thru hiker. I guess if i put 2500 miles in one go, I'd have a lighter pack and lighter shoes. But they also double as my work boots, so my shoe budget being maxed out and all, need to stick with an all around good boot.
Enjoy your vids.
@Brian Pusateri I don't get it
I love my 3.5’s but find they are not very stable in loose rock or off camber trails. The tread wants to roll out from under my foot. I’ve laced them several different ways to no avail. I live in Phoenix so rock is 90 percent of what I hike in.
Salomon XA pro 3DS Wide width. They are the best for my wife feet plus I love the fast lace cable system.
I get 400 miles on them. Great tread grip and breathability.
I switched from brooks to altras and haven't worn my cascadias since..shoes are a tough one ..everyones feet are different..the zero drop takes time to get used to..hope you like them..
Thanks! Im excited to try them out!
Keen targhee3 is the way to go for me. Amazing traction and comfort. Also waterproof is a big thi g as I hike in a lot of wet areas.
I liked the 3.5's very much, but hated the 4.0's on my last 3 day hike. Feet wreckers. Bought another pair of 3.5's .
I got about 500 miles out of my Brooks Calderas before the toe box started ripping open like it did with your Cascadias on backpacking section.
This video is a rollercoaster of excitement and disappointment 😂 great info tho cheers man
Let’s face it, anything that doesn’t hurt your feet is the way to go. Am I right? I’ve tried many different brands and styles. Some wear out faster than others but at the end of the day, it’s your feet!
DAMN....I came really close to buying Calderas. An ultra marathon friend of mine recommended Topos to me. Bought a pair and they are similar to Altras. So glad I didn't go with the Calderas now.
Just bought the Cascadia 13 a couple days ago. I tried 2 different shoes on the thru-hike of the AT in 2014. (Cascadia 9 and the Solomons) To be honest the Brooks were my favorite of the 2 making it from Damascus to DWG, however I had the exact same holes as you on the side. Disappointing to hear it's the same... However I was pleased with the 700 I got with them on the AT.
This is odd for Brooks. Obviously, you've demonstrated your evidence but from my own experience with Brooks (many pairs, though no trail runners) they've all performed well for long periods of time. I've had daily wear Ghosts now for about 4 years and they look darn near brand new. I don't really wear them every day but at least 1-3 hours 280 days a year. Probably 8 hours or more 175+ days. I've switched back to Brooks for running after going to Nimbus and was planning to get a pair of Cascadias. My Hoka Challengers (I think) held up well at the Grand Canyon but I didn't go very far. Some people's feet are just hard on certain shoes or certain brands. I've now ditched Asics because the cushioning is no longer as good as it was and other models have been harder to break in. Shoes are often very personal and sometimes hit or miss, even between models within brands. But thanks for the video.
I have both, Caldera 1 and 2. No seperation on the soles yet. One pair I just knock around in and the other I hike in. Low mileage in both right now. Maybe yours were made when they were using a different glue or something. I would give Brooks a call on the Calderas though. You should have gotten more than a hundred miles on those boys. Their customer service has always been top notch for me.
I do love Brooks, im just gonna return these guys and I will probably try again down the road for sure. Maybe it was just a bad pair. who knows
any thoughts on the la sportiva ultra raptors? I tried them on the highline and the rocky trail and mountain kicked out butts. no blisters. no foot problems at 40+ miles in.
Nice comparison, very informative! Thanks Will!
great vid.. love my Atras.. I use the mid mesh 3.5 and absolutely love them.. it years to find the perfect shoe for me .. my only struggle with them is that I find I need to super glue the toe tip before even wearing them, they always tear open for me with in the first 100 miles. it happened to both my low tops and mids
Something is wrong about this video 😂😂
Nice comparison. Ive been searching for the right shoe as well. My big issue with the Altra lone peak (I have 3.0) is they are very slippery! I’ve been using Salomon speedcross 4 and love them, but my toes get squished after a while on the sides. The salomons have good grip, I was so disappointed in the Altras as they fit my foot like a slipper.
Yes they do. Thats where the 4.0s should improve. Different tread pattern and different tread material. Should be a big leap forward in my opinion but we will have to see.
Thats a shame i like the looks of those calderas! Looks an function they seem better than the altras but looks can be decieving i guess.. Hope the 3.5's do you justice! Stay safe! Hike on!
I've been wearing the Merrell Chameleon Prime Stretch for years and never a single problem. I don't thru-hike like you do but I have racked up tons of miles over the years. The pair I have was bought in 2007 and I've logged an awful lot of miles on them in eleven years. The sole is still completely intact and I've been thru some rough terrain. Same with the upper's...not a single hole or anything. I know most people now days are bandwagon and just on anything and everything they see others doing so i get it. I'm just curious out of all the comments only one person even mentioned Merrell. I welcome any honest opinions because I'm very curious about this.....maybe I need to try something else? Oh and I'm surely stressing the shoes out at 6'3 285#....I will admit most of the hiking was done at 235# though. Still not a lightweight.
Hey Will! Inov8 Roclites are great; lightweight with gnarly traction. I'm on my 2nd pair. Switched from cascadias.
I almost did my AT thru hike with Inov8 maybe i need to go back and check them out. Thanks for reminding me.
I really like my Lowa Innox evo low. They're expensive but really nice after a little bit of wear. Hope you find something that works for you.
Be careful. I had an achilles tear and during my physical therapy I told my podiatrist I was switching to a zero drop shoe (the Lonepeak 3.5s) and he said "no, don't do it" He said the most achilles injuries he treats come from zero drop footwear. Have you looked at the sportive wildcats?
I have looked at them. I tend to lean more towards shoes that have a soft heal, typically more like a running shoe. Just personal preference. But I might just have to give them a try soon! Thanks for the tips.
I meant to add that maybe they will replace a pair so you can give them one more chance! They feel great on my feet and I'm hard to fit.
Try the arcteryx norvan LD. I’ve probably put over 600 miles on mine and they look and feel brand new.
Where did you find a 13 in the 3.5? I have been looking and looking and come up empty....
Yep, I was wondering about how you go thru shoes. Very helpful. If they made a combo shoe...... Hopefully they see this. 13? Big foot.
Damn, I got excited when I saw you using the Calderas for the Uinta Highline Trail. I have the exact same ones (even paid the same price!) and I have been loving them so far, but they only have a dozen miles or so on them. I hope I have a better experience than you with them, but any shoe should be able to last for hundreds of miles, no matter how brutal the trail.
What causes the holes in the Cascadias? Is it abrasion? I wonder if you could put some tenacious tape on them to protect them without diminishing their comfort. But at the end of the day, any shoe that runs over $100 shouldn't require babysitting with tape and whatnot - they ought to perform right out of the box, period.
Not abrasion, its the way the shoe flexes at that spot. Needs a bit more structure there.
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4.0 comment the narrowed the toe box, unwearable for me now, trying the thim whatever Altura now seems to retain the wider toe box.. What do you know???
Thanks for the shoe review... please let us know how long peak 3.5 done
Try the Lone Peak 3.0, the perfect shoe and they are cheep now 😊
My 3.0s didn't hold up nearly as well as my 3.5s have. The mesh started to tear pretty quickly.
Hi Red Beard, you rock these shoes 😂 next time please let us look at them
For those holes, tenacious tape+shoe glue and a bit of sewing fixes it.
I’ve been wearing Lone Peaks for the last 2 years and they have been great except for one issue. I am a heel striker and I have blown through the heels of my Lone Peaks rather quick. Was thinking about checking out the Cascadias next. Does anyone have the same issue as me and can recommend a trail runner with heels that last?
I like the Altra 3.5's. They do run small though.
Good luck with the Altra's. Mine developed a hole after 2 months usage. I'd never go back to the Altra. Quality is poor.
Do you have to select a bigger shoe size for hiking ?
Yannick Collin yes typically a half to a full-size bigger than normal. You want to make sure your toes are not hitting the tip of the shoe when hiking downhill. 👍
Hoka Speedgoat 2 is amazing. My new favorite hiking and trail running shoe.
Love my ultras only issue I’ve had is the front bumper pealed down after about 300 miles
Have to say I love my salomon speedcross. Any reason you’re not into salomon?
Ive tried the Speedcross before, didnt really hike in it long enough to make a judgement. I needed up switching away to Brooks for the shorter break in time. But I have heard a ton of good things about Salomon so i might try them out in the future.
Are all of the shoes you featured made in china? That would explain the lack of durability. Over the years, I have learned to only invest money in European (Italy, Romania) built shoes for durability and comfort. They easily last two to three times as long as others.
developing holes in the forefront region, or anywhere for that matter, I purchase a larger size shoe.
A good cost comparison would be $'s per mile....?
I hope you are doing well Will.
doubt I will ever get Brooks again. I was in them for years-but just do not work for me at all-biggest complaint is the laces-I have to tie my shoes so often-not sure if I am doing something wrong-nothing I try works. Not getting any where with customer service.
I just switched to Altras-so far so good.
I love altra lone peak, but my ankles don't ...
The 3.5 has very little grip , be careful on wet terrain
Pretty sure the LA-Sport ultraraptor has a spot to prevent that hole
You get the holes because the shoes are too narrow for you - wider toe box would be better
Love my Lone Peaks.
It seems that most people do
Have never had a pair of Brooks that I'd ever recommend .... never again
I’m probably going to get downvotes from skeptics, but I would be interested to see your review if you did a ~100 hike in Crocs’ Offroad sport clog: www.crocs.com/p/offroad-sport-clog/202651.html.
Ive actually met multiple people who have thru hiked in plain old normal Crocs. Hmmmmm Maybe we are all missing something
Merci pour c'est bon conseils 😜
Adidas is gonna be making some new hiking shoes.
So Brooks don't test their shoes..
Glue, bro. How did they attach the tread? Heat and glue. How can you reattach the tread? Heat and glue.
watch your achilles tendon on those zero drop shoes.
Yup mine got trashed. Post bursitis. Ordered Cascadia 14. Did hundreds of miles with the altras 3.5 and timps.
Why wouldn’t you put shoe review in the title? Not only s it clickbait for people who weren’t interested in a shoe review but like your other videos, but you are missing out on possible new viewers who are looking for a good shoe review.
I’m not super vain but the altra lone peaks are ugly as sin haha.
Duct tape
Shoes. Disposable. Boots! Heavier because they are not disposable.
Foot armor.
These are trail running shoes.
So ,, pretty simple , stay away from Brooks ?
thanxxx ...