6.5 Creedmoor for Hunting: It's Problems and How to Fix Them
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- Опубликовано: 6 дек 2021
- The 6.5 Creedmoor, I have been hearing some stories of problems with it reliably killing game from hunters! Let's identify the problems and how to correct them!
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Have killed several deer with a creedmoor and I can tell you most likely the guy had a severe case of bad shot placement. I've even seen elk dropped at several hundred yards with the eldx. Just a case of bad shot placement
Probably. As I said in the video, some hunters think that the 6.5 Creedmoor is more powerful than it actually is and they don't have to really aim or hit the vitals. Glad that you are having good success! Hey, thanks watching!
Your analogy is actually spot on for the bullet, but not for the reason your stating. ELDx is as its named, designed for good extreme long distance hunting (400+ yards) not that I would promote that as a good hunting distance to aim for, but that's another conversation; the bullet is good at those distances because its not very well controlled expansion and the long distance gives it's bullet speed a chance to slow down over distance and then open in a more controlled expansion as its impact velocity now much slower and it will stay together better. As pointed out in this video, has less stout construction (less interlocks w/o the cannelure) and its focus is on being more liked the eldm with one interlock added for target bullet like performance. IMO the best of Hornady's cup and cores for hunting would be the interlock flat base for 300 yard and in, and the interlock boat tail for 300+, eldx works fine for 300+ also but the interlock will stay together better due to the double rings holding the lead back.
I've seen several videos where 6.5 creedmoor has been used to torture animals. Clearly hitting 4-5 times and dropping only several seconds after the last shot. Elk/Moose size.
6.5 Creedmoor is for punching cardboard. It can only be used for hunting moose/elk when:
1. shot close enough
2. hit perfectly AND
3. with correct cartridge, especially designed hunting bullet.
Every hunter has to know their muzzle velocity, use ballistic calculator to see how velocity drops per distance, and know how the bullet performs at that terminal velocity. Otherwise it's animal cruelty and not hunting!
I’ve shot heart and double lungs with the 6.5 CM. Not a single drop of blood anywhere. If you have to track, forget about it. This was with the eldx. Maybe it’s better with other rounds. If anyone knows of a better round let me know please. I love that rifle and would love to continue hunting with it, but can’t chance not landing a heart shot every time….
This. My kid lost the first deer she shot at ever. But then the next four deer the rifle shot at died quick. Pretty sure she just got nervous and made a bad shot the first time. Now's she a dirt nap dealer🎉
Use the right bullet and you will not have many issues …. It’s .264 sized bullet has nothing to do with the caliber same bullet in a . 260 People hate it because they haven’t shot one or using wrong bullet or they can’t shoot . But I agree with what your saying I think Personally the eldx are hit or miss
Yeah, I think a lot of hunters are using target type ammo because that is all they can find. The ELD-X ammo and bullets performance on game appear to be erratic, I would not use them. Hey, thanks for watching and the comments!
123-130 gr bullets do very well.. The SST and 125 gr nozler keeps speed up.
Well said Derrick!!
@@randallwhite9015 I used the 129 gr SST superformance and found it underwhelming.
@@fedup3582 Me too just shot a buck an hour ago with that round at 80 yards right behind the shoulder. No exit! Got both lungs , no soup just a hole about 3/4”. Bullet must have deflected down and damaged the bottom of chest. Deer ran 100 yards before crashing. No blood until about 70 yards. This is the 2nd deer that’s run a long ways I’ve only shot 2 with 6.5 cm. Last one was with federal 140 hr bullet and that deer went 70 yards. Think I’m back to .308
I think bullet choice is paramount for any smaller calibre. One of the biggest Elk I have ever seen taken was by a 15 year old girl with a 6.5 Creedmoor. Shot placement and bullet construction are everything.
Yep, I agree! Hey, thanks for watching!
HOWEVER IF A LESS THAN PERFECT SHOT IS MADE THE BIGGER THE BETTER.
Actually, the 6.5 is a very ballistically excellent caliber. High energy transfer and super flat shooting. The Swedes weren’t wrong
Just out of curiosity what bullet was your daughter shooting?
I've had pretty good luck, I don't understand the hype or hate, you don't hear this with 243? Not a hole lot of difference, I only been using mine for a few season, first one doe about 60 yards little to no blood ran 30yrds , small buck same sanareo, doe 200yrds dead right there, doe large, 312yrds , dead right , small doe 452yrds , dead right, 143gr eldx, 2688 ftps. Hand loads nothing special,but it shoots 1\2 minute @400 yards, I think it's hard to judge a bullet on a couple kills as you can see with my experience, your proubley it same results with 243 I do hear anybody trashing it, just my 2 cents
There's not a problem with the caliber there's a problem with the shooter not hitting the vitals
Good shot placement is always important! That said, there is a problem with the 6.5CM, it has been overhyped that some people think it is more powerful than a 270W or 7mm Rem mag. I have had multiple people try to convince me of that. That promotes poor shooting since some hunters think that the 6.5CM is so powerful. Also, some hunters are using target ammo instead of controlled expansion hunting ammo. Hey, thanks for watching!
@@30-06john Yeah you're 100% correct I've heard people say similar things and I've heard people say that the 6.5 creedmoor is only for target shooting I personally love a 270 but I would like to have a 6.5 creedmoor just for whitetail hunting Most of my shots would be 100 yd or less the main reason I would like to have a 6.5 creedmoor is for the lack of recoil I did have a 260 Remington but it's so hard to find ammunition I thought I would switch to the 6.5 creedmoor thanks for producing such great material on your your channel keep up the good work
If you can’t knock down a deer at 60 yards with centre fire rifle of legal calibre & cartridge, you should not be shooting at live targets.
Correct, and that is part of the issue with the 6.5 Creedmoor. From the example in the video, to other hunters I have talked to It's performance is erratic. Some animals go and stay down, others, as in the video, go down, then get back up and run off.
Hey, thanks for the comment and watching! Merry Christmas!
Bonded core is the way to go and take high shoulder shots. Or better yet use a 3006
I think a lot of people are using target ammo for hunting because they can not find real hunting ammo for the 6.5. Using areal hunting bullet makes a huge difference! Hey, thanks for the comment and Merry Christmas!
Exactly! Everyone made a great shot on the ones that got away. That one they had to track for a mile or two was absolutely the rounds fault until it’s taken in to field dress… it’s always the cartridges fault lol
Go look at what the 6.5x55 Swede has killed in the last 100+ years , it and the CR shoot the same bullets and identical muzzle velocity and Ft lbs of energy!! It kills wonderfully!! Plus it will outshoot any 30-06 at any range
Speer gold dot 140 grain in a 6.5 creedmoor works well for me on deer size or smaller game only. Shot placement is everything, as I have transitioned to and recommend a "High Shoulder shot" to anchor an animal by paralyzing the central nervous system. "Perplexed that the hunter you mentioned said he shot a Moose but lost a deer. Then the answer must be a wounding/grazing or gut shot, or a bullet malfunction. No way to tell without a retrieval and autopsy.
The hunter that shot a moose, and lost a deer, exemplifies the erratic performance on game that I keep hearing about. More so than any other caliber, for the past few years. One reason I talked about using controlled expansion bullets. Hey, thanks for the commentary and watching!
99% a wounded deer, as you say no way to know 100% that it was poor shot placement without retrieval and inspection of gralloch. I would consider it very likely. Not helped by poor stalking practice.
Yes, the deer was wounded, I saw the blood the next day when I went with that hunter to the spot. Also he was behind a large stump and used it as a rest for the shot when the deer walked out. Thanks for watching and Merry Christmas!
@@30-06john my cousin shot a deer with his 270. The deer ran into a draw, we tracked it about a mile and a half. The blood trail would start out good, then gradually thin to a drop or two here and there, and then the deer would jump a log or run up a steep hill or do something else to start him bleeding profusely again. This s happened three four times. The deer even laid down a couple, three times, leaving a pool of blood at each spot but getting up and moving on before we could spot him. We were amazed that he could travel so far losing so much blood. Finally we were down to a drop here and 50 feet farther on, another drop, and we were afraid our trail was going to run out when a guy appeared ahead. He said him and his friends saw the buck slowly walking and had shot it. Turned out, my cousin had blown off its front foot.
Sorry your cousin didn't get the deer, but that sounds like a great, epic tracking job!
Shot placement and proper bullet is essential! Just bought a 6.5 Creedmoor and haven't had a chance to hunt with it yet but I have dropped 3 deer the last 3 years with a 243 Win with 100 grain Hornady Whitetail. Not the biggest bullet but double lung will kill the deer. Longest one ran was about 30 yards. Just use good judgment and these calibers will do you just fine.
Yep, I agree! Also, I think many hunters are using target ammo, not hunting ammo, in the 6.5CM since that was all that they could find. Thanks for watching and Merry Christmas!
The ELDX has been a great round for me, preforming as advertised. Shot deer from 60 to 300 yards,with deer never going any further than 30 yards from point of impact. That being said,I am willing to try other rounds. I also agree with you that people are trying to push target ammo because of the shortage.
Glad you are having good hunting success with the ELDX! Yeah, ammo is getting easier to find so hopefully good hunting ammo will be more available. Appreciate your thoughts and watching!
Give berger a shot! Those bullets are extremely accurate.
6.5 mm bullet and cartridge has been used for a very long time in Swedish/ Norwegian to take all sorts of game. 6.5 x 55 Swed with 140 gr bullet at 2700 plus or minus ballistics are very close to the 6.5 creedmoor ballistics. There are those who shoot the .243 Winchester and take larger than Whitetail game. I myself have taken whitetail at 450 yards with but a few steps and they are done. This with a good 100 gr bullet and a lot of practice for this shot in an open field. I'm no pro or expert. I will say if you shoot a whitetail at 60 yards with a 6.5 creedmoor, with proper ammo, properly set up for accuracy and have practiced with the rifle the way you should. With good shot placement. Unless it is Robo deer! That deer is D.R.T.! No rifle or cartridge can make up for a bad shooter. Just saying
I agree with what you have said. The problems with the 6.5 CM are: hyped to be a very powerful round. I have had multiple persons tell me that it is more powerful than a 7 Rem mag or 270 Win. I had to explain ballistics to them. This promotes poor shooting and shot placement, because they think it is so powerful. Also much 6.5 CM ammo is loaded with target bullets, not really hunting bullets. Even the ELDX is a balance between long range and terminal ballistics. Shooters are using target ammo for hunting since good hunting ammo is harder to find for the last several years. Hey, thanks for your input and watching!
@@30-06john
It's the B.C. of the bullet. It carrys its velocity rather well. When folks find out the actual velocity and bullet weight, to some it seems anemic. I load 140s at 2840 fps with outstanding performance. However, simple logic will prevail. A good big dog will always beat a good little dog. Still, for what the cartridge is, it's performance is outstanding.
Regardless of calibre, if the animal isn't killed the problem is 100% definitely your shot placement and/or the bullet. Also, check your groups with different shooting sticks. Practice (not on a bench) and know the capabilities of you and your setup.
6.5 Creedmoor can achieve very precise shot placement at extended ranges.
Example: 143 gr (9 g) Hornady ELD-X exits the muzzle at 2,710 ft/s (830 m/s) delivering 2,283 ft lbs (3,095 J) and sustains its energy efficiently. No animal will survive a heart shot for more than a few seconds. Head, or shoulder into chest, or spine shot will all be an instant and permanent drop. Always.
The first deer I shot with a 6.5 Creedmoor was a fallow buck at 210m with Sako Gamehead Pro through a 24" barrel. Although it was an instant drop, the bullet went right through very cleanly with a tiny exit and no blood on the ground. I keep that in mind when using similar ammo. My semi-auto has an 18" barrel which performs differently.
Well, bullet construction and shot placement is critical. Do not use target ammo for hunting. Always be ready for a follow up shot. Heart shot animals can run pretty far in the few seconds before they collapse, that is well known. Thanks for watching.
I’m amazed at all the “perfect shots” people have made on this thread. I made a perfect shot and the deer ran 150 yards. Lmao. I wonder how many though to cut him open and see where the bullet actually went and why it didn’t drop him right there? I guarantee you if you double lung any animal and it runs 100 yards your bullet didn’t expand
I bought a 6.5 Creedmoor in 2020 because a friend told me it was the Great thing since sliced bread, told me it shot as flat as a Lazer and carried more energy out to 1000 yards than any other non magnum cartridge. I was very very new to cartridges and hunting then. I've learned a lot in the last 4 years, I've learned that a 30 ought 6 and a 270 will actually shoot flatter out to 400 to 500 yards than a 6.5 Creedmoor will but then drop off much quicker after that, I also learned that it's generally unethical to take a shot past 300 to 400 yards, I then learned that a larger, heavier bullet will generally always deliver more energy on targets then a light sleek one, then on top of the fact that I heard that about 35-40% of people using a 6.5 Creedmoor to hunt deer lost their deer, I couldn't find a good reason to take it out in the woods when there are better options. So I sold it.
Yeah, I know a few other hunters that either stopped using or sold their 6.5CM. Thanks for watching!
Where did the 35-40% stats come from? Would you please give us the source of where you attained the information so we may study them?
I have a 6.5 Creedmore and I have to say that I love it. 250 meters all day long. First moose with the 6.5 was only 100 meters, but it was one shot and instant drop dead.I will not use any ammo less than 130 grain. My 6.5 loves 140 grain hornaday. I will put my 6.5 against my 308 any day. I am former army and love shooting. The 6.5is now my new favorite. Those saying bad things need a bit more time with it.
Congratulations on successful hunting! As I said in the video, I am not against the 6.5CM, just want hunters to be more successful. I have had multiple people tell me the 6.5CM was more powerful than the 270W and 7mm Rem mag. That encourages poor shot placement. I had to explain ballistics to them. Also, many hunters use target ammo, not controlled expansion hunting ammo which adds to game running off. Thanks for watching!
I know so many guys swear by the ELD x but I’ve seen too many examples of cup and core separation. This isn’t always bad as it can provide an additional wound channel, the tradeoff is less penetration. Personally, I use the 6.5 CM and 6.5 PRC as my primary deer cartridge with a bonded bullet as removes one more variable and have never had an issue with knocking deer down out to 250 yards. It’s definitely capable beyond, I just have not had a shot that was further than that.
Ive had similar issues with my 6.5CM. First of all the CM was build as a target cartridge, then turned into a hunting bullet. Over the last 3 hunting seasons. I have killed 12 deer, 1 hog and 3 coyotes, 1 bobcat. This round is Very accurate! 6 of the deer were all head shots, out to 150 yards. HOWEVER, the other shot placements on the deer were very good, Obviously. 4 deer with body shots were with hornady eldx and everyone ran 75-100 yards with poor blood trail. My latest buck, doe and hog were with the barnes lrx 127gr. Shot placement on the buck was a perfect at 300 yards, double shoulder/ heart artery shot. Again with not great performance. Which still boggles my mind because i Swear by Barnes ammo. A doe at 200 yards was shot through both lungs and out of the shoulder and she still ran 75 yards with a trickling blood trail. Now the hog dropped in its tracks. SO! Through all my experience and watching several ballistic gel shots, it seems to me that with a lead bullet it waits 3"+ before expansion with maximum expansion being between the 12-16" mark. So on a smaller/lighter skinned animal, good expansion doesn't start until the bullet is halfway or more through.... even with the barnes ammo. The hog gave the bullet plenty of tissue to expand hince dropping it immediately. Last thought. I love this gun and will continue to use it however unless its a head shot i will try a high shoulder shot, disrupting the nervous system and neck/spinal cord. You cant beat real world experience, so the testing continues...
Great info! Thanks for sharing and watching!
Jacketed hollow point. Will not have any problems. I shot a moose standing face on. Through the neck and 12 inches of spine.
My deer experience is similar here in Alabama sized whitetail. I shot last buck at 70 yards right behind shoulder with 129 gr Hornady Superformance 2900 fps. No emit, no blood deer ran 100 yards with not one drop of blood then a boy 15 more yards with blood before it fell. Damage to internals was good. The deer before that was 30 yards right behind the shoulder with Federal 140 gr softpoint. Pass through with good blood but ran 80 yards before it dropped. Deer before that shot with 120 gr BT at 40 yards same thing ran 80-90 yards. With same shot placement using .308 or 30-06 165 gr softpoint this never happens. They go down fast or maybe go 20 yards. Experience is all I have to go by.
If it's factory lrx ammo, it's too slow. Mine chronographed at 2675 or there abouts out of a 22" barrel. Really sucks too, my rifle shoots 3 into 3/8" with that stuff, but its too slow. I'm shooting the 100 gr ttsx at around 3100 now, and it's extremely lethal. Unfortunately, Barnes doesn't load it in factory ammo that I'm aware of.
what you mentioned boils down to lack of preparation, setup and testing.
Yep, I agree! That is a large part of it. Hey thanks for watching and Happy New Year!
I think it was the long range hunting channel he said the eldm is one of the best bullets for terminal ballistics and many bullets have unreliable or slow expansion including the eldx??
I think a Partition, A frame, TSX, even a bullet with a cannular, would improve terminal performance for the 6.5CM. Thanks for watching!
140gr eld-m is the ticket. My daughter fired 2 shots this season killing a buck and a cow elk, both DRT. 40yd frontal on the buck, 80yd broadside on the cow, blew through the shoulder blade and exited behind the offside shoulder. Totally devastated vitals.
My experience with shooting 6.5 CM is it’s similar to .243 in that shot placement is very critical. Not as much margin for error as a .270,.308 or 30-06
But if you put the bullet where it needs to go with the correct bullet for the job, deer drop fast. I personally won’t shoot past 400 yards with any caliber. I prefer inside 250 if possible.
Yep, I agree! Yeah, past 400 yards is actually a far shot on game.
I completely disagree with you. Caliber will not make up for poor shot placement. A deer shot in the hinds or low shoulder or low neck will just just as far regardless if it’s 6.5CM or a 30-06.
The beauty of the 6.5 Creedmoor is not about power. It is about efficiency. The bullets have high ballistic coefficients and great sectional density for their weight. They will retain velocity and energy well over distance. When it comes to hunting as many others have stated, shot placement is key. So, a hunter needs to work with his weapon and know it well so he/she can make the best decision possible in any given hunting situation. Also, you will never go wrong with using a high-quality bullet. I've seen people make a close range shot where the bullet jacket completely separates from the core with various cartridges. If your shots may range from far to close, you might want to go with a solid bullet like a Barnes or one of the other copper alloy bullets. Bonded bullets are another good way to go. Hornady used to make bonded but dropped them at least for now. I don't know if they are planning to bring them back. Some of Nosler's bullets are bonded as well as Swift. They are pricey but worth it if it saves you from losing a trophy animal. Another bullet that has worked well for me in the past is the Speer Hot Core bullets. It isn't a bonded bullet but since the core is poured in from molten lead, they seem to hold together well even though they're not bonded.
As I said in the video, using a quality hunting bullet, not target bullet, will significantly improve the 6.5CM for hunting. Thanks for watching!
I have the Ruger 6.5CM and using Federal Fusion 140 gr ammo and it's a tack driver. With so many deer rifles shot placement is so important.
Yep, making a good shot is key! Thanks for watching!
I bought a Savage in 6.5 Creedmoor cause I wanted a new gun and figured that would be a good round to try out. Not sure if it will ever go hunting, since I have more hunting calibers then one person can use. I don't think hunters put enough thought in to what type of ammo they use or shooting the guns enough to really become a pro with it. Most people I know shoot their guns a couple times to verify zero before the season starts and only shoot again at a deer. I think the best thing a hunter can do is get as comfortable with their gun as possible, that is the least you can do to insure the animal goes down without suffering or losing the animal cause you decided to hunt with target ammo or your shooting skills suck.
Yep, well said and I agree! Thanks for watching and your thoughts!
Shot Placement will make any caliber shine or look like shit. I've shot many deer with mine. Every single one of them dropped where it stood. 5 of which were at 450-508 yards. The reality is no one should be using this caliber on anything larger than an Elk (at 400 yards or less). It's a great caliber. It is very special, because of its inherent accuracy and ballistic stability. If you go and look at its development you'll see why. The bullet Hornady developed is the key. The ELD bullet is an amazing piece of engineering. A lot of your case is conjecture and hearsay, which I never give a lot of merit. This person you speak of that had an issue at 60 yards is a shot placement issue. Bullets do funny shit when they hit bone regardless of the caliber. I have personally seen multiple deer shot with 30-06 / 270 win and 12 ga, 1 oz slugs that ran off to never be found. The reality is the 6.5 creedmoor is a marksmanship caliber and it is a great cartridge for hunting (so long as you're using ELD or federal terminal accent bullets). The marketing isn't hype and I really don't think its been over blown. If someone plans to hunt game over 400lbs they should be using a bigger cartridge. Why you'd go to 6.5CM on a moose is a fucking mystery to me. That man needs to evaluate his life decisions. If you can afford a moose hunt you can afford the proper rifle.
Thanks for your thoughts and experience with the 6.5Creedmoor! Please refrain from using cuss words, as my "About Channel" states, this is a family friendly channel and we talk and act as responsible adults. Glad you are having good results. I have talked to numerous people that have had poor performance on game with the 6.5, it is not conjecture. The issues are as I stated in the video. The ELD-X bullet is a balance of long range accuracy and terminal performance. Bullets as the Nosler Partition or Accubond, Barnes Triple Shock or Swift brand have much better performance on game. The Federal Terminal Accent looks good too. As for the person that shot the moose, and almost lost a Dall Ram and did lose a nice Blacktail buck, he will never use ELD-X ammo again and is seriously thinking about selling his 6.5. Hey, thanks again and Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!
I think the 6.5 creedmoor is overhyped. I've owned and hunted with one. It was accurate, easy to shoot with minimal recoil and turned out to be exactly what I expected, a "tweaked" 260 Remington, no more, no less, but the hype sure seems to have others convinced that it is some sort of miracle cartridge. I read one place where a guy was building a rifle for long range hunting of Alaskan big game. He had narrowed his cartridge choice for the new rifle down to two, the 338 Lapua or the 6.5 creedmoor. 🙄 I believe the 6.5 creedmoor is a good cartridge but not the miracle cartridge people seem to think it is.
30 caliber, just makes a bigger entrance and exit hole; Results in Better blood trails. I learned this the hard way, after going to the swede, especially in Woods hunting applications. We conducted a few bullet expansion tests, and discovered, that the PPU, 139 GRN, Expanded the most. The Prvi PPU, Cheap cup and core bullet , had the biggest lead tip exposure. I got near, 30 cal expansion with these, and the best blood trails. If you reload, or just want to pull off the Factory Creed bullet, definitely use a PPU SP Substitute.
Yeah, using a good hunting bullet makes a big difference! Thanks for watching!
"How to fix'm" Use a 30-06
Good video John!
That works too! Thanks, and thanks for watching!
Never been a big ELD-X fan. 142 ABLR and 129 SST have worked well for me in 6.5 creed. Never had any issues on deer sized and below. Wouldn’t use it for anything larger unless I had to.
Glad you are having good hunting success! Thanks for your info and watching!
It's not over hyped if you put the bullet where it's supposed to be! I have two of them and it works great! It was designed for target...shoot it straight and you'll be well served with this round!
Glad you are having great success with your 6.5 Creedmoor! Good shot placement is always important. Thanks for watching!
In the area where I live, our smallest animal would be a caribou, then it is black bear and moose. There are a lot of people using the 6.5 Creedmore and are not disappointed.
Making good shot placement and using hunting, not target ammo will go a long way in improving hunting success. Thanks for watching!
It just went straight through them without hydro shocking. I'm big 30cal.
Man 300wm &30-06 I'v been told that some round of 6.5 creedmore doesn't have enough to smash the round at 400 yards past I don't own One. I just got my first 🦌 6.5 PRC is small for me to shoot Mule Deer 🦌 in New Mexico USA
All new to me but I think 6.5 creedmore just don't have the power I would want
for big game hunting 🤔 or is it a paper round it has the 1/2 moa going for it but does it have any other side.
I think one reason they came out with the 6.5 PRC was to make a better hunting round that the 6.5 Creedmoor. The 6.5 Creedmoor is an OK hunting cartridge, but it should be treated similar to the 7mm-08, or .308Win. Not similar to a 7mm Rem Mag or 270 Win, I have had people try to convince me of that! Hey, thanks for watching!
I have discovered that the best deer load (which is the biggest game I'd ever hunt with mine) for the 6.5 needmore is a max charge of h4350 with the 100 grain ttsx from Barnes Mine is just under 3100fps from a 22" barrel. High shoulder shots drop them where they stand, and its obviously VERY low on recoil with the light bullet. I've had absolutely awful results with Hornady bullets on game. Yes they will kill with a perfect shot, but you dont always get a perfect opportunity in the field. Ive gone to Barnes exclusively, but if youre hellbent on shooting lead into your meat, the accubond lr or regular would be my choice. Same accuracy without having to worry about core separations. Just my two cents
Yep, using a good, controlled expansion bullet improved terminal performance! Thanks for watching!
I’ve taken some very nice deer with a 6.5 Creedmoor. Hornady 143 gn ELDX does an amazing job. On the same note I have taken some nice deer and 200lb+ hogs with the Winchester Deer Season XP. Shot placement and understanding the limits of the ballistics and shooter is everything. A well placed shot with a light caliber rifle will drop many game animals. A poorly placed shot with a large caliber rifle might not drop them
Glad you are having great hunting success! Yep, I agree, understanding the cartridge and shot placement are very important. Thanks for watching!
There’s nothing wrong with quality hunting rounds for 6.5 CM. You have to hit where it counts like any other round. The CM is more powerful than .243. It is also an accurate round. It is easy to blame the round. I think you need to do some souls searching if the deer gets up. I’ve seen it kill every animal I’ve seen hit by it. Just my experience. The 7mm 08 and .308 do hit a little harder up close but energy wise, it does just fine. Lots of people rave about the.257 Roberts and.300 Savage. Ballistically it is better than either of these. If the animal gets up, the bullet didn’t go where it needed to. Laugh if you want but I’ve taken animals with the 125 gr. Winchester PowerPoints. Seems to work fine. I like the Barnes too. More emphasis and attention should be put on marksmanship fundamentals. My .02. I kind of default to my .308 honestly but feel 6.5 entirely adequate for mid sized game out to 300 yards. Stop it.
As I said in the video, I am not a 6.5Creedmoor hater, I just want hunters to be successful. Thanks for sharing your info and watching!
Deer are not particularly hard to kill provided you hit them in a 10” area. True story, my buddy, Sean, hunts with a 7mm Rem Mag, a round nobody questions. He’s hunting one day and gut shoots a really nice 8 pointer. It takes off and the fat plugs it’s wound. Anyway he tracked it until the blood trail ends. He found it the next year. It had run towards water. It has never happened to me yet. I have missed though. I don’t blame the cartridge for it.
Anyway there is a lot of controversy around the 6.5 CM. For whatever reason ppl tend to love it or hate it. There is a lot of misinformation about it. When I have mine out, people have said, “Oh that’s a hot round.” I always say “not really” to that. 125 gr. has about the same exact velocity as 150 gr. .308. It just flies better past 4-500 yards. I’ve never had to take a shot beyond 150 yards. But out to 300, it shoots like a .308. Pretty much the same hold. I don’t shoot beyond 3-400 yards because at 300, it is pretty much a guaranteed hit on steel for me. I’ve missed closer on game because of being amped up or the shot was offhand and that’s way harder than from a bench. If I can find a position with a support, most often I kill the animal, caliber notwithstanding.
Anyway, what I object to is the “bad caliber” notion. If deer can reliably be taken with a 5.56 (hardly ideal, but doable), there’s no issue with a 6.5 CM. Nobody questions .243 or 6.5x55 (used forever in Europe). Just use the right ammo in that caliber. If you shoot the vitals the animal dies. I’ve shot a lung and the animal went a few hundred yards. If you gut shoot it, better have your hiking boots…. Caliber notwithstanding.
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Best most coherent, concise analysis of 6.5 CM yet…. If a 140 grain bullet moving at 2,700 fps doesn’t mess up a deer, it was because somebody didn’t do their job: ruclips.net/video/0Wej3Elw0zo/видео.html
I was originally quite interested in the 6.5 creedmoor. As the hype grew, I finally got one to find out for myself. I found it to be what I expected, a tweaked 260 Remington. It was accurate and easy to shoot with little recoil. Took a few head of game with it, broadside, double lunged and it did the job but I found it underwhelming. I lost interest in it after that and eventually sold the rifle. I have hunted with a 257 roberts for quite awhile with much better satisfaction. Don't know why I have better luck with the Roberts. For instance, I used the superformance 129 gr SST in the creedmoor to take two antelope, broadside, double lunged behind the shoulder, at 165 and 107 yds. One ran 100 yds before going down, the other staggered @50 yds before going down. The year before I used superformance 117 gr SST in the 257 Roberts to take 3 antelope. One at 237 yds broadside, heart shot. The other two at 227 and 107 yds, steeply quartering away and the bullet angled through the vitals. All bullets fully penetrated and exited with both the creedmoor and Roberts, but the three taken with the Roberts dropped in their tracks.
When the 6.5 creedmoor came out, I was quite intrigued by it. I thought it would be a wonderful light rifle deer cartridge. Its hype grew so fast, I bought one to find out for myself. It turned out to be exactly what I expected, a tweaked 260 Remington. It was light recoiling and accurate. I took it hunting and took a few head of game with it. It got the job done but I found it to be very underwhelming. It went down the road.
Yeah, a nice little cartridge, but nothing really special about it foe hunting. Thanks and Merry Christmas!
So you sold a rifle because it did what you expected?
I’m no 6.5CM fanboy, in fact I just purchased my first 6.5 CM a few days ago, and I only got it because my 15-year-old daughter is a hunter and wants something with less recoil.
So why did I pick the 6.5 CM? Easy… All those other cartridges that everyone says the 6.5 CM is a copy of are nowhere to be found. I can count on one hand with four missing fingers how many times I’ve seen 260 Remington on the ammo shelves, let alone a new rifle chambered in 260 Remington that I don’t have to special order.
There’s an old saying that I think completely applies here
“the enemy of good is better”
@@scottfreeman258 it has it's place and is good for some purposes, ie someone who doesn't like recoil, for example, but there are definitely better cartridges. It all depends on what you want to do.
I completely agree with that, but that applies to every caliber and every hunting situation. I don’t think it’s right to judge the 6.5 CM (or any cartridge for that matter) poorly because it he doesn’t do it all. Especially in the case of the video. The shooters problem was evident in the three animals that he took. He couldn’t kill a whitetail, he could not kill a sheep, but he could kill a moose with one shot? That’s because the boiler room on a moose is probably about the size of the doe he was trying to kill. This guy doesn’t need better bullets, or a bigger rifle, he’ll just miss with the bigger bullets. What he needs is more practice or some instruction on Basic Rifle Marksmanship (BMR as we use to say in the big green machine)
Definitely see a problem with that these days in this Ammo shortages 💯🇺🇸👍
Yeah, the ammo situation is getting better. I am seeing more 6.5 CM hunting ammo on the store shelves. Appreciate you watching!
Never could get behind 6.5 CM, just always felt like marketing hype. I've always liked 6.5x55 for some odd reason although I have only ever owned .30 cal hunting rifles until recently. Now I would call my primary deer rifle a .243 only because I shoot it more often than others. The deer where I live are very small, blacktails. Mike
The 6.5X55 is a great cartridge and has proven itself over the 100+ years! The .243 is fine for Blactails with the correct load! Thanks-John
You do realize the 6.5 creedmoor and the 6.5x55 are ballistically identical? If you don’t hand load witch I don’t! The creedmoor makes more sense! Exact same performance and I can find a big assortment of factory ammo!
@@patrickgallagher4344 6.5 CM is a winning choice for sure. Only because most of my shooting life 6.5x55 was way more common and rifles were dirt cheap. I do handload so options are wide and varied for me now. Mike.
A few points to consider
1. The ELDX is designed for proper expansion at longer distances and lower velocities. This bullet may not perform as you wish when taking shots at closer distances and higher velocities.
2. Never use a match grade bullet when hunting wild game. Its tempting as these bullets may appear identical to your hunting bullets, but their not.
3. Losing game to poor shooting is embarrassing to most hunters and is rarely admiited. Surely it was the bullets fault, right?
I have lost count of the deer ive taken with the 6.5 C and a 129gr Hornady American whitetail bullet. Ive never recovered a bullet and my deer responded to my shots the same as they would for other popular deer cartridges (some drop, some run short distances). There are no magic bullets which can guarantee one shot drops when taking lung shots. As a matter of fact, if a person says all their deer drop at the shot, i will show you someone which is excellent in making high spine shots or heart shots.
Whats to like about the 6.5C?
Its very accurate
Performs as well as cartridges such as the .308Win and 7-08 on deer sized game, but with less recoil.
No, its not the cartridge which makes all others obsolete, but there is much to like about it.
I have guides and hunting lodge owners telling me that hunters using the 6.5Creedmoor take more shots to down game, or game is wounded, runs off not to be recovered, than all other cartridges combined. Thanks for watching!
I've heard the same thing,with people using all cartridges. Back in the 90s I lost more deer with the 270 than all other cartridges combined, both then and now. Pick the cartridge you want and go with it
I have guides and DIY hunting lodge owners telling me that more game is wounded and not recovered, or it takes more shots than all other calibers combined. Thanks for watching!
If you take the 260 rem, 6.5 × 55, or the CREEDMOOR and you use the wrong bullets this problem you mentioned is plainly to much bullet or is designed wrong, I have used the 129IL Hornady with a sectional density of. 264 Keeping that mind some of the heavier bullets such as 143 vldx is very soft for long shots and doesn't work well for short shots, but for deer the 129IL flat base with a .445 Co, from short to long range 500yds deer do not run and will penetrate all the way through, and so does the 125 grn partion, the Barnes tipped 120,130, nosler accubond all work great for a little bigger animals stay away from the heavier 140s or heavier unless it's elk or moose sized game, I have seen and also heard of these problems and the simple fix is what I previously mentioned, the lighter bullets travel faster and hit very hard out to 500yds and have no trouble with pass through shots, I have hunted years with the 6.5 CREEDMOOR and it works very well, or the other 6.5s until you get to the bigger gas tank cartridges pushing those heavy bullets with more energy and speed, hope this helps. Aim small, good hunting, GOD bless.
Part of the issue is hunters using target or match ammo and not controlled expansion hunting ammo. I have guides and lodge owners telling me that it takes clients more shots to down game, or game is wounded, runs off not to be recovered, with the 6.5 Creedmoor than all over cartridges combined. Thanks for watching!
Placement is the biggest weighing factor, correct bullet follows quickly behind it. Too great a distance of shot = sketchy placement as well as bullet performance. Even if someone with practice achieves confidence of placement at greater distances, they still have to deal with how that bullet will perform at that distance. Of every deer (many) that I have killed with a 6.5cm, every one of them never moved more than 2 feet from their place of impact (and that was a vertical drop)... except for one. It was shot at 50 yards trotting and act like it wasn't even hit. He went down after the second shot after travelling another 25 yards. Both shots were in the appropriate placement of high lung/shoulder shots. The only difference on this animal was I had changed ammo from the Hornady 129gr interlock, to the Winchester Deer Season XP 125gr. After field dressing, I discovered that the Winchester bullet had fragmented into pieces and spun all different directions and never made an exit, possibly fragmenting too much and not carrying a full length path of shock. I will never use the Winchester bullets/hunting loads ever again, and will be completely satisfied with the Hornady Interlock or SST (which is also an Interlock design). For Elk, I will be completely confident in the 6.5 CM round if using a Hornady CX or Barnes TSX monlithic, or a Hornady 160gr RN Interlock (which some have said is no longer available). I have proved to myself the power of bullet weight retention and pass through capabilities on a 700+lb Elk with a 120 Gr TSX shot from a 25-06. It was like death on wheels gunning the brakes.
I agree, shot placement and using a good controlled expansion bullet are very important! Appreciate you watching!
@ 50 yards he probably went right through the animal???i have seen this before as well and the bullet not hit any vitals with little blood!! the deer that he shot ran with a little blood trail to follow and the farther we tracked it the less the blood till there was nothing?? basically the deer licked his wounds and healed up enough to escape!!! it was a 30-06 he used with same results.
Yeah, it might have been something like that. Hey, thanks for watching!
Seen a vid with an extremely popular S Texas Tracker & he said he tracks more deer shot with the 6.5cm & does not recommend using it.
Yeah, shot placement and bullet construction are very important, more so for the 6.5CM. Thanks for watching!
The two pigs I lost after striking them with 140gr A-Maxs, one at 150yd at 11:15pm under a 150 lumen motion sensored light(read: WEAK lighting) and unlit reticle; the other a trotting shot at 200 yd (I have no experience with such) and didnt hold enough lead. My sub-MOA rifle can't put bullets where they count most if the crosshairs are unseen on a blob in the dark or are sweeping through a lead to execute a never before attempted shot--shooter error would be the classification for both, not the cartridge or bullet.
Yeah, shooting pigs at night has a whole list of issues to be aware about so that one can be successful. Hey, thanks for watching!
I love the 6.5 Creedmoor but you have to know it’s limitations and what it’s designed for it’s designed for small game animals like antelope, Whitetail deer etc. and it works very well for what it’s designed for. It’s not designed for grizzly bears. I love it when people talk about some thing they know nothing about. It works very well for what it’s made for. I love it.
Glad you are having great success! I have guides and DIY hunting lodge owners telling me that the 6.5 Creedmoor is taking more shots to down game, or is wounding game that runs off, not to be recovered, than all other cartridges combined. This is for Dall Sheep and Black bears. Thanks for watching!
Very frustrated right now. I own a Browning and Tikka T3x, both 6.5 Creedmoor. Both have the Leupold CDS scope. If you have a CDS, you know how great they are, and it's not the problem. I use the Hornady Precison 143 rounds in both guns. I got both due to the fact when practicing, they are always within a few MOA no matter what the range. I hunt in Arizona (mostly long range) and Tennessee (mostly short range). In the last three years, I have "hit" about 5 to 6 deer. This year, with the Tikka, one Mule deer in Arizona at 455 yards, and he ran no more than 60 yards and kicked over. In Tennessee three years ago, the first buck I hit was at about 50 yards, he kept running, then slowed to where I could put another one in him. He went down and died soon thereafter. Same hunting location, 5 minutes later, up came a doe at the same distance, shot her and she immediately went down. The doe was hit right in the boiler plate. The buck was iniitally hit in the shoulder. This season, I hit two deer in Tennessee. Heavily wooded areas. The first, only 40 yards off, with a blood trail; the second at 40, but no blood trail. I tracked the doe for 1/2 a mile and then there was no more blood on the trail. Never did find her. The second one, a buck, ran a few yards, fell down and I thought he was dead. Rather than immediately chambering another round, I decided to text my brother about the "kill." Nope, he got up and ran off before I could get a second shot off. Talk about feeling stupid. Anyway, I have no idea where I hit either of these deer. So shot placement had to be key, or was it the 6.5? Or, did I hit a twig? I just don't know. One thing I do know, in years past, with my Marlin 308 with Remington Core Lok, all of these deer would have gone down without any trouble.
Wow. Yeah, I would change ammo, go with Nosler Partition, or Accubonds, Barnes TSX or TTSX, or Swift A frame, Or a bonded bullet. I hope you have better luck, and thanks for watching!
Thanks.
Took a 350 plus lb Audad last year and a 300lb plus Oryx this year. 6.5 all day.
Congrats for hunting success, and thanks for watching!
I have major concerns with the 6.5 CM after personally watching folks shoot deer then help them track them.
I have seen very poor results no matter shot placement with 3 different varieties of ammo. Shoulder shots through lung & heart, high shoulder lung only, neck...
Winchester & S&B both in Soft point and Barnes TTSX.
I have seen better performance with 243 / 24cal which is a smaller & shorter projectile over the 6.5 / 26cal.
I have have a theory that the 6.5's longer projectile that is moving faster has proven to not expand as much as other rounds in the real world. I think the longer projectile is having a harder time to expand than that of a shorter projectile like the smaller Caliber in 243 resulting in smaller entrance & exit holes in 6.5CM than that of the 243.
Entrance & exit holes on deer are barely visible with 6.5CM after combing hair back resulting in lack of blood from several SP loads as well as Barnes TTSX.
Last year my buddy's son shot a buck through both shoulders, ran for over 200yds & didn't leave a blood trail with Winchester SP.
This year shot another buck that ran over 200yds marginal blood lost the deer after loosing blood trail.
Shot a doe at 60yds, deer was found 75yds from where it was shot. Back tracked blood trail for only 20yds so deer failed to bleed for first 55yds with Barnes TTSX & projectile did not pass through or exit deer.
Another friend shot 2 deer with Browning Hells Canyon & lost both & knows he had good shots no blood.
Another hunter at our club shot a buck in the neck with Winchester SP and he said the buck took a few steps before it fell. After inspection the projectile entered neck obviously hit bone & ricochet down deers body to hind quarter. Never have I ever shot or heard of a deer being shot in the neck that it didn't drop immediately.
Appreciate the info, and thanks for watching!
its doesnt have the impact damage as other calibers, so if you slightly miss your kill zone the animal lives. its simply a lack of marksmanship
Yep, I agree! Appreciate you watching!
Ive dropped a buck at 30yrds heart shot and cow at 503yrds lung shot last year for my hunt. 143eldx handloads. Both hunts the bullet pass through.
Glad that you are having great hunting success! Thanks for watching!
Most problems are not with the cartridge. Put the lead in the right place and it will kill ! At a local elk ranch they use a 17 HMR to put their elk down. Physics doesn’t change with the what name is stamped in the case head. Jack O’Connor told use that year’s ago. Maybe the problem comes from the disproportionate number of new hunters that are miss using the cartridge. I’ve shot game with every thing from 22-250 to 300 PRC. When I’ve done my job the bullet did its job. Remember the bullet kills, the cartridge brass stays in the chamber😊
I have guides and hunting lodge owners telling me that hunters using the 6.5 Creedmoor take more shots to down game, or that game is wounded, runs off and is not recovered, than all other cartridges combined. Thanks for watching!
Ok so the ELDX is made for long range shooting and hunting. I've been using them in my 6.5 PRC for a few years. I've taken probably 10 animals with them. Deer and antelope. They're flawless. The fact that they're not bonded is there best feature. That'll ensure they'll expand at 700 yards. Like the antelope doe I hit right above the heart at 725. She dropped in her tracks. The bullet opened perfectly but didn't retain all its weight. Core and jacket separated. But it didn't fail since the animal was dead instantly. At closer range Theyre definitely very violent. They tend to just explode inside the animal especially at PRC velocity.
Now with the kids Sig Cross in the Creed we shot four Montana whitetails with it and the eldx. The first deer she hit high shoulder and it did go on a death run. But it sprayed the largest blood trail I've ever seen. But to be fair I've had deer do the same with a 270 Wby. Everything else went right down.
The problem with the interlock or a Nosler Partition is they're not good in the BC department. Great Fudd bullets for close range work if it's not windy. But in Montana the wind is always cranking making shots inside 300 a challenge. So anything to cut that wind drift down is bonus.
I think the "problem" with the creed is bad shot placement. Also if you're using a big 30 cal and have never hunted with a 22-250 or 243 you're probably used to deer just falling over. The Creed is basically just a big brother to the 243. The best way to "fix" a Creed is to bump the velocity up to PRC levels. But for kids and inside 300 the Creed is a fantastic round.
I am having guides and lodge owners telling me that the 6.5CM is taking more shots to down game, or that game is shot and not recovered, than all other cartridges combined. This is mostly for Dall sheep and black bears. Thanks for watching!
@@30-06john... I use a 6.5 Creedmoor when hunting wild hogs in Texas. I have not had any problems killing hogs on the first shot.
Hey John, great presentation. I got 6.5 last year because my brother had one and has hunted with it with successful results. He’s taken both large mule deer and pronghorns in Wyoming with it. I agree with everything you said about it. It’s not made for hunting, it’s made for long range shooting. As with any smaller diameter bullet, you have to choose your bullet wisely. What I like about it is that it’s a very accurate caliber. I have a Ruger American predator and my brother has a browning hells canyon and both are real shooters. Much better than other calibers I own. I reload the ammo for both these guns so I make sure to choose a bullet that expands adequately.
Franks, Thanks. Glad you are having good results with the 6.5 Creedmoor. Sounds like you understand the cartridge and have it tuned for your needs!
As with all guns, you have to do your part. No caliber is magic.
@@frankgagas9569 yea the creedmore
Hornady GMX 120 grain handloads and good shot placement = success. Haven't lost a whitetail yet
Looks like you have everything tuned for hunting! Hey, thanks for watching!
@30-06JOHN, GUNS AND RELOADING I must add that all my shots are 200 yards and in. No long range for me here in Louisiana
I have the browning hells canyon 6.5 creedmoor. I use 6.5 Federal premium 130gr for White tail deer and Texas Mule deer all neck shots you need to Trust your gun And don't get excited.
Yep, I agree! Glad you are having great hunting success!
Unfortunately, not having a 6.5 Creedmoor and only going by what you read, and stories told your video is about like a story said no better no worse. I have a lot of rifles in different calibers and most certainly there are cartridges that are better at putting game down and fast. Having said that within short ranges the rifle has little recoil and with the right bullet is a great hunting cartridge. I have two rifles in that cartridge. I also have smaller and much larger caliber rifles. They all work well with the right bullet. Many of the larger caliber rifles damage a lot of meat. For medium sized deer and less a 6.5 Creedmoor is all one needs. However, I won't use anything less than my 308 if hunting for a trophy buck. The knock down power is just so much greater. I don't like a deer traveling too far after being shot.
The hunter in the video that knocked a buck down with his 6.5 Creedmoor, then the buck got back up and ran off, was a fellow hunter at the DIY hunting lodge where I stayed at, not a story. Plenty of my acquaintances have 6.5CMs, I do not need or want one. The problems with the 6.5CM are as I stated in the video, it has been overhyped so that my people think it is more powerful than a 270W or 7mm RM for hunting. I have had multiple people try to convince me of that. I had to explain ballistics to them. And since hunters think it is so powerful, they don't really have to aim for the vitals. Finally, many don't use hunting ammo with controlled expansion bullets, they use target ammo since it is more plentiful, and bullet construction does not matter because they think it is so powerful. I have many rifles and have taken many big game animals, so have my friends. The 6.5CM is very similar to a 7mm-08 for hunting. Thanks for watching.
Like all cartridges, it's the bullet that matters. The 6.5cm has been overhyped, but likewise some hate it for no reason and will even claim their .243 will beat it...no it won't if you're using the right bullet for the job.
Yeah, I think some hunters are using target ammo because that is all they can find. Thanks for watching!
I think the problem stems from trying to use bullets designed to expand at lower velocities "ie" long range up close. At short range soft bullets like the hornady american whitetail blow up and are devastating but do not reliably penetrate and exit. So very little blood trail.
Yeah, using a premium hunting controlled expansion bullet, like the Partition, A frame or TSX, improves the 6.5CM. Thanks for watching!
Every deer I shot with the 6.5 creedmoor has died but the blood trails and time it takes for the animals to pass just isn't good it should be a coyote gun not a big game caliber
Thanks for watching and letting us know of your experiences with the 6.5CM!
Use the right bullet to me 140 is way to heavy for deer I use the 129 hor IL and they are DRT, aim small good hunting.
It’s all about shot placement (and proper bullet). Ive taken several deer and hog with my 6.5 creedmoor. Some with the 143 grain ELD-X, and some with the 129 grain Hornady Interlock SP. I handload, but my velocities are similar to the factory stuff. So far I’ve never had an animal take a single step after they’ve been hit. That being said, I talked to a guy who hunts with Hornady Black, which is a 140 grain HPBT target round. Not sure I agree with that even if it is a hollow point.
I agree! Glad you are having good hunting success and thanks for watching!
Here's one on that magazine article in the knows that you have to have a man bun to hunt with this caliber.
Yeah, the 6.5 CM has been hyped up and many newer shooters don't understand ballistics. It does appear that the hype is dying down from a year or so ago. Hey, thanks for watching!
Nothing to fix on the CM, however, shooting skills for sure. If you don't think it will kill deer size game out to ethical distances just tell that to the deer I put in the freezer last season. LOL good luck and practice.
The 6.5 Creedmoor has erratic performance on game, I keep hearing stories from other hunters. The issues are as I talked about in the video. I don't have or use a 6.5 but the fellow hunter in the video will probably sell his. I am glad that you are having good success with yours! Hey, thanks for watching!
Target bullets for hunting can kill big game but is not reliable for killing big game. Reliability of bullet penetration is the issue.
Yep, I agree! And thanks for watching!
I don’t understand. I’m here in Wyoming and I’ve had several friends drop big bull elk with the 6.5 Creedmoor. I’ve even heard tales of bull moose taken with the 6.5. Sounds like poor shot placement to me
It probably was a poor shot. But I have heard from several guides and lodge owners that the 6.5CM takes more shots from the client, or they don't recover wounded game. Thanks for watching!
i was sold on the 6.5 creedmoor using good bullets,,i have 4 creedmoors in various makes,,using it on big game has been anything but positve,,i shoot a lot,,take careful shots,,not stupid out of range shots,, it is not what i had hopped for, including an outfitter friend who wont let clients use the cartridge on black bear or elk, lots of lost animals,, the cartidge has poor penetration,,
I know another outfitter that does not like his clients using the 6.5. Thanks for your info and watching!
270 used to have problems with bullet construction as well before people went to slower 150gr bullets so saying its proven doesnt really say much people just need to learn when to use different bullets and more importantly when not to
Yeah, I think a lot of 6.5 Creedmoor are using target type ammo because that is all they can find lately. Hey, thanks for watching!
Great presentation there, sir! Great for long range, not so much for taking game.
Thanks! Glad you found it useful!
I don't know how you came to that conclusion. With good bullets the 6.5 is as good as any cartridge for deer. There is nothing inherently good or bad about the creedmoor. What matters is the bullet and shot placement. I once knew a man,now deceased, that kept his freezer full of deer meat with a .22 long rifle. He would think this whole discussion a waste of time.
@@bobgordon1754 Hard telling which argument I was trying to make 8 months ago. I suppose every cartridge has their purpose, and some can do some jobs better than others. Likewise, some can be used and stretched past their 'limits' or whatever limitations we put on ourselves, if put behind the right shooter. I don't think I was saying 6.5CM is bad at killing game, I think I was suggesting that trying to kill game at excessive distances just for the sake of saying you did, is not so great. Thanks for the discussion, Bob.
@@DummyRound thanks for the reply.
How is it that every deer I’ve killed so far with a bow from 20 yards to 50 yards never went more than 30 yards after hit besides one. And so many people can’t drop a deer with a rifle cartridge that’s bigger than the most popular hunting cartridge ever made the 243
Well, as I said in the video, some hunters think it is very powerful and do not have to have good shot placement. That is critical! Thanks for watching.
I have had more animals run with no blood with my 6.5 than any other caliber. I have used Hornady eld, sst as well as Barnes. I just ordered Berger 135 classic hunter which will be my last chance effort to make this a reliable deer hunting round.
Thanks for the info and watching!
That is a bad choice IMHO. ALL the target based bullets like the eldx and burgers are erratic on game at best. You want a bullet that is made to expand and penatrate as the number one priority. I would suggest the nosler partition/accubond or a similar style hunting bullet. Even the Hornady American whitetail with the standard interloc bullet in 129 grain is better than the ones you have chosen so far. Forget about the ballistic coefficient and use a true hunting type bullet.
John
I use Hornady Amax in a 120 grain bullet ive dropped in thier track. And ive dropped numerous with mine. Its not the cartridge.
Congrats on hunting success! I have guides and lodge owners telling me that their clients are taking more shots to down game, or game is wounded and runs off not to be found, than all other cartridges combined. Thanks for watching!
Anything a 243, 260, 7mm-08, or 308 can do, the 6.5 can do. It is the same old argument about the 270 vs 30-06. I own all of them. I shoot the 6.5 more than the rest. I own a encore 12" in the 6.5 and 308. The 6.5 has way less recoil and better ballistics in that length of barrel. With the 143 gr eldx, it still has >800 fpe at 600 yds with that length barrel.
The problems with the 6.5CM for hunting, as I said in the video, is many hunters think it is very powerful, one does not have to have good shot placement because it is so powerful, and hunters using target ammo, not controlled expansion hunting ammo. I have had multiple people tell me that the 6.5CM is more powerful than a 270W or a 7mm Rem mag, I had to explain ballistics to them. Many newer hunters think that since the 6.5CM is so powerful, they don't really have to place the shot in the vitals. Also most ammo for the 6.5CM is target ammo. Using hunting ammo and bullets, like Partitions, TSX, bonded core or even with a cannular, goes a long way in improving the 6.5CM for hunting. I know some hunters love the ELDX, some hunters hate them. Hey, thanks for watching!
I only shoot within 300 yards, last 2 years I’ve used 6.5 cm
Bagged 40 something chital deers
Lost exactly 7 in the 2 years with cm.
Nosler BT accubond federal fusion power shock hornady eld m and x
Haven’t noticed huge difference in levels of dead deer, at my ranges.
Yearly bagged # and lost animals unnoticeable when I’ve used 308 243 270. Not very experienced with other calibers, just those on deer.
I feel like I’m the weakest link between success, wounding and total failure.
Not to say I don’t favor a caliber, but in hind sight . The #s are so similar that it’s more being comfortable with the particular weapon I’m carrying.
Well, good shot placement and using hunting ammo ( controlled expansion) are critically important for hunting, no matter what caliber. Thanks for watching!
129g Hornady Sp thinks it is a partition, even up to and including the 264 Win mag! 125g Nosler partition just keeps on going, massive damage on deer.
It all depends on bullet construction! Hey, thanks for watching!
Yep you got it they just plain work.
I have taken many deer and hogs with a 6.5CM. the ELD-X did poorly for me. It's very accurate but performance is iffy. I have the best performance on game with a good soft point bullet. If you don't reload, the S&B 140gr SP is very accurate and outstanding performance on deer and hogs! The blue box federal 140gr SP also works great. 6.5cm doesn't have the velocity for a bonded bullet in my opinion. Just keep it simple, don't over think it and don't believe everything you read. I have wasted a lot of money on these premium hot shot bullets that cost much $$$. They are fine in a magnum but not necessary for rounds similar to the 6.5cm. this is just my opinion and observations from 60 years of hunting and taking hundreds of game animals. I welcome comments.
The real problem with the 6.5CM is that some hunters think it is more powerful than a 270W or 7RM, I have had multiple people tell me that. And because they think it is so powerful, they do not have to have good shot placement. Also, target ammo is used for hunting due to the ammo shortage and since they think the 6.5CM is so powerful, it will work. Hey, thanks for the discussion and watching!
@@30-06john I agree 💯% I like in south Georgia, our deer are not very heavy like some other states. A good soft point bullet works great for the velocity of the 6.5CM.
I would never try to take an animal the size of a elk with a 6.5CM. I don't think it would be ethical. I would never try deer or hogs past 250 yards. Sure, I'm sure people do it every season but not me. I think the animals deserve a quick clean ethical kill and I'm not sure the 6.5CM can do it. Elk are large animals, 30/06 minimum. JMHO.
The ELDM and ELDX hammers pigs and deer. Put it in the boiler room and it’s game over. No bullet or caliber can over come bad shots.
Exactly. So would you use the same bullet on a moose that you use on a whitetail? I’d bet a shiny penny the guy that dropped the moose blew right through the deer without expanding which is why there was little blood trail.
No way cred better that 270.i think the real gunsmith channel would agree. Hes a gun builder and custom reloader. He has a vid on creed .
Yeah, I have had people tell me a 6.5CM is as good as a .270, or more powerful than a 7 Rem Mag. I had to explain ballistics to them. Hey, thanks for watching!
I use Norma white tail 140gr and never had a Big Buck or Doe run more than 50yds.
Congrats on successful hunting! Using a good controlled expansion bullrt really helps the 6.5CM. Happy New Year and thanks for watching!
It’s shot placement period Caliber has little to do with it. I have a 6.5 creedmoor I shoot hornaday 143 gr. Eldx I have taken 5 bucks all one shot kills no tracking all shots from 40 yds to 180 yds. I normally shoots high shoulder are neck one behind the shoulder double lung. All kills no tracking period.
Glad you are having good success! Shot placement is very important!
I've hunted with my creedmoor for 4 years now an taken 6 deer with it 5 bucks an a doe all using the 129 hornady sst an they all dropped where they stood, O an furthest shot was around 220 yrds
Congrats on successful hunting, and thanks for watching!
This seems fishy to me. I have hunted mule deer and white tail with 140gr nosler partition in a 6.5x55 Sweedish Mauser carbine since the 1970s and never had any trouble. The typical 6.5 Creedmoor should be about 100 fps faster than my little shorty but it can't handle it? Maybe those hits were marginal. Maybe more blast and recoil isn't going to fix that.
As I stated in the video, many people think the 6.5CM is very powerful that one does not have to have good shot placement. Also many are using target ammo, not true hunting ammo. Thanks for watching!
It's not the cartridge. The ELD-X is a very poor choice for a hunting bullet. Tell your friend to use a real hunting bullet.
As for BC, this is a 400 yard hunting rifle. In this game BC means Bullet Construction.
Spot on vid, thanks.
Thanks for watching! I know that the hunter ( not really a friend, just staying at the same lodge) will never use ELD-X ammo again.
BC is actually ballistic coefficient
Ppl are doing same thing loading up serria match bullets and loosening game . Learn how to hunt closer and get a hunting bullets . Good video
I agree, and I appreciate you watching!
I dropped a 250 pound buck @339 yards it didn't run 30 yards with my 6.5cm 129gr sst
Congratulations on a nice buck! And thanks for watching!
You know I’ve been hunting a long time! Me and my brother have been shooting deer with the creedmoor since it came out! We’ve both killed deer every year with it never lost one! The rest of our family shoots 243s ! I have seen a lot more deer lost with that caliber! Shot placement isn’t always the best with both calibers sometimes! I bet if you go back the same number of years and do an honest study there’s been more deer wounded and lost with the 243 then the 6.5 creedmoor! This is. My opinion! Please no need to get nasty!! lol 😂
Yeah, the 243 is known to be borderline for deer and I agree that side by side, it probably loses more deer than the 6.5. The issue with the 6.5CM is that many hunters think it is more powerful than a 270 Win or 7 Rem mag for hunting. I have had multiple people tell me that. I think that some hunters use target ammo and since they think the 6.5 is so powerful, they don't have to place their shot carefully. Glad that you and your brother ae having good success with yours!
@@30-06john yes well said! If I was hunting elk or if I was hunting deer over 250 yards I’d choose a bigger caliber! You have to use common sense! Some guys feel just because they own and use it! That makes it the best! 🤷🏻♂️
Thx for the great video.
The 6.5 Creedmoor is a fascinating case, massive commercial success and on the flip side guides that say no cartridge loses more game. And then very deadly in experienced hands just like the 6.5x55 Swede . So what’s going wrong here…
Here are the 3 key factors I would put forward
- marketed as low recoil and good beginners cartridge- clear correlation to bad shots
- significantly reduced margin for error due to small frontal area (22% less than a .308) and moderate energy on target (300 ft-lb less than a .308 Win at 100YD)
- marketing as Long Range leads to wide spread use of modified LR bullet designs, with a tendency for fragmentation and lack of penetration at high speed short distance shots
Yep! Thanks for watching!
I have used the 6.5x55 Swede for nearly 25 years and have hand loaded for it for 25 years as back when I started using it there wasn’t much of a choice here in Australia. My son has just got a Creedmore and I also hand load for it as well and the difference between the two is around 120-140 fps at the muzzle, you cannot tell the difference with either on game as long as we do our bit.
@@Paul-45-70 yep. The 6.5x57 Mauser is another classic. As said, I think they are great in capable hands with a hunter who is mature enough not to take a marginal shot.
On a bad shot some of the larger calibers will have some additional margin for error due to increased bleeding and penetration. That is with the same bullet design of course.
that's crap. a bad hit loses game bro. period. the size of the bullet means Richard. @@nikos6220
If folks would leave the target bullets at home they’d have much better success. Partitions, bonded bullets, and copper bullets are game bullets.
I agree! Thanks for watching!
If someone can shoot a 1 MOA group at 100 yards under perfect conditions, your group will be 5 inches at 500 yard and that group will shift with windage. The problem is that when you hunt, the conditions are not perfect benchrest conditions. There is wind maybe rain, excitement, cold and all other things that influence your performance negatively. So most people will hit the deer somewhere. Maybe people should also practice when not to shoot. That and the fact that they overestimate the cartridge, use the wrong bullit they are shooting and poor distance estimation leads to these story's. just stay in your skill level and user the caliber for the game it is intended for. also look at the ballistics of the cartridge and see how much energy is left at the distance you are shooting. Energy is not important when you are shooting on paper. But for hunting it is a different story. I would not shoot the Creedmoor much farther than a .243 Win. and because I am a 1MOA shooter, I will never shoot a life animal beyond 250-300 yards. Everything farther would be stupid an unethical. You see a lot of long distance shots on RUclips, but what they don't put on there are the shots that failed. I am sure those are many.
I agree, most hunting should be limited to about 300 yards. Shot placement and bullet construction are very important too. Hey, thanks for watching!
People think if its new its the best out there stick with a good mushrooming bullet like core lok, interlock, SST, power shock or a bonded powermax my 6.5creed never give me problems
Using a good controlled expansion bullet will improve terminal performance. Hey, thanks for watching.
I have killed 29 deer with one shot in the last 5 years using 6.5 creedmore . Hornady eldx 143 . Shoulder shots . I have the pics of all of them to prove it !
Congrats on successful hunting!
He’s using the wrong ammo the Hornady ELDX 143 grain is more of a varmint round explodes on impact it will only penetrate to about 8 to 10 inches you need 18 to 20 inches of penetration to make it in one side and out the other of a deer He should try some Remington core lokt or federal power shop 140 grains.
I know a few other hunters that do not like the ELD-X line, although some hunters love them. I would use a bonded, all copper, or partition type bullet. Thanks for watching!
Only people who say the 6.5creed is not a good hunting round just cant shoot its the same as a 260rem or a 6.5swedish by the numbers even 7mm08 or 308 get hornady interlock or SST federal power shock or Remington corelok bullets and its just fine i own 30-06,308,30-30,303British and my 6.5creed all kill the same
Well, the 6.5Cm has been hyped so much that many think it is more powerful than a 270W or 7mm Rem Mag, I have had multiple people tell me that, until I explained ballistics to them. Since some think it is so powerful, that encourages poor shot placement, well, because it is so powerful. Bullet construction also is part of it, many use target ammo, not real hunting ammo. I am actually having more hunters tell me that they have tried the 6.5CM and have found it lacking and moving to more powerful cartridges. Have a nice day.
@@30-06john Im a 30-06,308 guy and never had any trouble taking deer with the 6.5creed and im in western Pennsylvania farmlands so we get some big body whitetails plus my 30-30 never lost a deer and 6.5creed is way more powerful so its the hunter not the round with a bullet ment for deer
The problem is people use the wrong ammo and the Hunter. stop trashing the rifle.
That is exactly what I said in the video! I did add that the cartridge is over hyped and many hunters think it is more powerful than what is actually is, I have had hunters tell me that a 6.5 Creedmoor was more powerful than a 7 Rem mag, which promotes poor shooting on game. Thanks for your thoughts.
Ive "heard" of probably a dozen whitetail deer killed at 75 yards and closer that were shot with a .17 HMR, and not one of those deer ran off over 100 yards before dying. No second shot or dog required. I cant imagine a round going 2600-2700 fps with proper shot placement would not be affective on a deer. Too many elk and moose fall to the 6.5 Creed without issue. Sincerely, "An Ignorant Person".
Well, here in Alaska, I have guides and DIY hunting lodge owners telling me that the 6.5 Creedmoor is taking more shots, or game is wounded, runs off and is unrecoverable, more than any other cartridge. This for mostly Black bears and Mountain goats. Thanks for watching!
I use the 143 grain on a Antelope at 840 yards killed ot know problem ales shot a coues buck at 600 and dropped it in its tracks
Congratulations on successful hunting!
I don't think Hornady really cares that you have a negative opinion of the cartridge now that they sold about 10 million rifles. The ELDX is a thin skinned target round at best. Personally, I can't stand the 6.5 Creed but it is capable of the games you discussed (deer and sheep). With a decent partition or a tax bullet it is fine, actually ballistically identical to 7mm-08 rem virtually. I don't know why anyone would purchase a creedmore when the PRC is available however - oh that's a Hornady round as well! Looks to be a second decade of dominance! It's really a shame that they have the ability to squash a great caliber like 6.8 western before it even gets going but that's corporate America in 2023
I want hunters to be more successful. Understanding a cartridges ballistics is part of that, and using good controlled expansion hunting ammo. Thanks for watching!
Thanks for the comments.
It's (as was mentioned below) is about using a proper bullet for the application. First the bullet has to be put in the correct place.
6.5 has a lot going for it if properly used. Now grown for many a decade my brothers friends are not my own. They all dis the 7mm Remington mag for deer calling it pas-through. They were using their typical moose load for small-med deer. Funnest and most irrational thing I ever heard was that the 7mmRem Mag couldn't kill deer efficiently. Think of turkey with a skeet load or grouse with slug.
Yep, bullet placement and construction are super important! That is funny about the 7 Rem Mag. Hey, thanks for watching!
Thank you John for bringing this up. This subject has been burning my rear end for quite some time. I've seen some 6.5 Creedmoor deer shot twice with less than 6 in of penetration at 110 yards. I've also seen a whitetail that was broadside at 90 yards go right through both lungs. Really weird bullet performance. Echo
Yeah, I have hearing about erratic performance on game with a 6.5Creedmoor for several years. After the incident from the fellow hunter, I had to do a video on it. Merry Christmas! John
If thats the case 6.5x55 is better. Ive had great success with 120 grain sierra. They are using wrong bullet.
@@martyinthecounty Yeah, I think a lot of people are using ammo and bullets that are more for long range or target shooting, not real hunting bullets. Thanks for watching!
@@30-06john ive come to this conclusion as well. ive noticed the "use match ammo for hunting" has made a comeback AGAIN, from outdoor life and fild and stream AGAIN, as it does every 10-15 years, and some people just dont know better. a great hunting channel (wont mention names because of the context) hunting elk and moose with the 6.5 PRC uses ELDM and have been defending it to the death. are finally switching after quite a bit of flaming over pretty obvious bullet failure.
Using match bullets and ammo for hunting just is not good. Hey, thanks for your thoughts and watching!
The 30-06/308 with a 180 gr. bullet is far, far better than the Creedmoor for hunting. It penetrates far better on less than perfect shots and leaves a blood trail to follow. Smaller bores work but larger bores work better. Shot placement is important no matter what you are shooting but not always possible. At least in the woods of Minnesota that is. Brush, branches, distance and cold temperatures can come into play. And do. Don't let the advertising hype fool you. The boring old 180 gr. 30 cal. is still the best bet. And yes I am an old guy. ha
Thanks for your thoughts and watching!
The round nose bullet has been proven to not penetrate brush as good as a pointed bullet.
Ballistic coefficient doesn't kill anything 😊
Yep, and bullet construction is very important! Thanks for watching!
Ya man... The hunter prioritized brass recovery over game recovery. If he kept his focus on the animal he could have hit it again as it got up. Also, I agree with you that the tougher penetration bullets are superior to the more fragile expansion bullets. DEFINITELY. Barnes TTSX have performed very well for us. And there are several other options like you pointed out!
Unfortunately the bullet manufacturers are marketing slightly modified target style bullets as hunting bullets in an effort to prioritize BC and external ballistics over terminal ballistics... Bullets designed for penetration with controlled expansion are the optimum for hunting IMO.
He was a newer hunter, one always has to be sure that the animal is dead and be ready for a follow up shot! Yep, I agree with you and thanks for watching!
Federal fusion problem solved!!! Red stag x 2 one round each .
Using good hunting ammo instead of target ammo will go a long way in improving terminal performance. Glad you are having great hunting success and thanks for watching!
there better rounds for hunting, it was made for compition so you could finish a mach with out a broken sholder, 25-06 will shoot flater than 6,5 and good small game . 30-06 our a 35 win ,for big game. we own more than 1 gun buy the wright gun for what you hunt ore in compition ,in me old age i shoot a 308 under and over in the scrub.just fun, with long range 300m my old 300 h&h come out with 27 inch and the wright twist for the best hunting and compition bullets
Yep, all good choices. Hey, thanks for watching!
Could possibly be the ELDX bullets.
Yeah, a lot of people like them, but some people really don`t like them at all. Hey, thanks for watching!
Shot placement shot placement!!!! nothing wrong with the gun the problem with the person shot placement l have taken deer 🦌 with a 22/250 if you can place the shot in the kill zone deer down l have killed deer with my Tikka 6.5 using different ammo Hornady ELDX / Norma whitetail and some reloads
Shot placement is very important! Well, the deer did go down and appeared dead, when the hunter was trying to find his ejected brass, deer gets up and runs off. Glad you are having great hunting success!
Hype has nothing to do with a cartridge being a good hunting round and my 12 year old daughter has taken 7 whitetails with hers from 20 yards too 200 yards with one shot each and I've not saw a deer make it over 40 yards yet its shot placement if a kid can do too it every time tells me some grown ass men need some range time
Glad you are having hunting success! But I have been talking to guides and lodge owners, the 6.5 Creedmoor is taking more shots, or the game is wounded and gets away, than any other cartridge. That is from guides and DIY hunting lodges, not me. This is for Black Bears and Mountain goats.
Amateurs will screw up any shot with any rifle. Poor practice and poor bullet choices account for all these mishaps. There is no science in their complaints of the 6.5 Creedmoor.
It looks like the hype of the 6.5 Creedmoor is about over. I am hearing many more stories from guides and such that the 6.5CM takes more shots to down game, and hunters have used it and moved on. Thanks for watching.
@@30-06john They have no science and don't divulge what bullet they are using. If they are using monolithics they deserve what they get.