So to summarize... Mahidevran ran into Hurrem's room without permission, knocking or any decent introduction, started attacking and insulting her, Hurrem told her to shut up (well I am not sultan's legal wife but if someone did that, I would be even tougher, maybe I would hit the person without saying anything) and then she threatened her, not to mention she even used her own child to threaten her, Hurrem just fought back, Mahidevran was going to hit her, Suleiman stopped her and wanted her to apologize (which is actually pretty valid) and she still feels like the victim and even lies to her son about it... Well, this scene just shows that it was Mahidevran's lies and manipulation that made Mustafa and Hurrem enemies. In my opinion, Mahidevran never truly loved Mustafa the way mother is supposed to love her child, he was her weapon, her source of power, which was pretty obvious, she even killed his first love (Elif), wanted to get rid of his child, tried to kill Helena etc. She never cared about his feelings, just his future because it was her future as well.
I said this from the beginning Mahidevran never truly loved Mustafa, instead she saw him as a weapon to get what she wanted and that power. Had she truly cared for her son, she would've never allowed him to get involved in her relationship with his father. She did exactly what Hurrem said she would do and that burn his finger as well.
oh this is not a summary but your narrative you forgot the part that hurrem set a spy on mustafa nora sho rdered her to manipulate him as she does with Suleiman and control his heart till she orders her to POISON mustafa as well, you forgot that part.
Yes, indeed. She was extremely egoistical, extremely self-centered. If she really cared about Mustafa's future she would do anything to make him closer to Suleiman, even if it meant to be away for her. But she wanted to be the first one, even if it meant damaging Mustafa's future. And she was dumb enough not to realize it.
The absolute hypocrisy of Mustafa lecturing Suleiman on being manipulated by a woman's crocodile tears when the whole reason he's there is because he was manipulated by his mothers tears.
Her manipulating him to go against his father for her was the first step to his downfall. Suleiman lost his trust in Mustafa because of how often he was willing to stand against him. Hurrem was smart. She taught her children to respect their father. When Mihrimah stood up to Suleiman for her she was legitimately shocked, worried and then touched. Suleiman even said that he trusted Hurrem because she was the one woman who didn't want someone else on the throne.
@TJRhea he never even once went against Syleiman ,Syleiman got only manipulated..and also scared how much Mustafa was loved ..the hurrem's children were never a threat for him..because they were never saw from the people and other like a possible future king . That's why for him there was nothing to be afraid for ..get your facts right..still also in the suleiman eyes mustafa was the only one worth for the rein..
@@mirandamarku7663 How you gone chack someone and be wrong at the same time. We're all watching the same show!!! Mustafa interjected himself into his father and mother relationship more than once. He thinks his mother is innocent but she has been manipulating him since he was a child. And yes Hurrem children were threats, Sultan Suleiman wanted Mehmed to be his successor.
@lovelydove8770 well from you comments we are clearly not seeing the same show 🙄..he protected his mother which was ok ,of course that he has to protect them ..did you see how many times hurrem tried to put Mustafa in traps ..and against Sylejman ,he neven once thought to go against him ..with all his support that he had he could have succeeded..Syleiman never said that Mehmet will be the next padishah..but in many series until the last season was assumed also from Syleiman that the next padishah will be Mustafa ..that why I said hurrem kids were never a threat for him no-one loved or supported them for the throne ..except Bajazid who were supported after Mustafa death ..so ✌️
Mustafa says Suleiman can't rule a woman when actually it's him who keeps being ruled by women throughout the wholw series. He is the one who keeps sacrificing himself in front of his mother's whining. First Mahidevran then Nora started ruling him and then mihirunnisa. When in contrary, Even though hurrem had a great influence on hurrem, he didn't let her get in his decisions regarding politics affairs and others that much. Sometimes hurrem tried to cross that limit of influence on him but he immediately showed hurrem her limits again.
Honestly I don't see why it should be bad thing if a woman can't be dominated or "ruled" by a man These line was just peak misogyny 😂 and it shows how men in that time were afraid of women's natural power 😂
Also the reason why mustafa was ruled by her mother and other women is because it's simple Men are protecters by nature and a woman's tears can easily manipulate them
U forgot to mention other women ..like valide,hatice,sha huban etc who ruled over mustafa😅basically he never used his own brains..if any He was always happy being manipulated by others Not at all fit to be the future sultan
Exactly. In the show, Mustafa was a beautiful prince however he was cursed to have a busy body, selfish and manipulative excuse for a mother. After her hand in the poisoning of Mehmet, I lost any respect or sympathy I had for her.
@Euphorya_a WE KNOW! If you read my original comment again, you'd see I'm not talking about the real life people. I'm talking about the characters in the tv show.
@Euphorya_a I am calm. 🤷🏻♀️ I suppose that's why your original comment to me is suddenly missing as well though. I agree with your comments of the real life counterparts. Imagine having the chance to go back in time meet and interact with them...
I feel like people hate Hurrem because they want her to be a perfect victim and never fight back. At this point in the story Hurrem has seen her family die, been kidnapped into slavery, been beaten, poisoned while pregnant, forced to kill her first love, terrorized, and burned. All while being insulted and talked down to. I guess she's supposed to just be graceful through all this?
U effectively summerised it all in few lines👍it was no surprise that Hurrem became what she was towards the end of the series only because of all these evil ppl
Totally agree! Ppl who hare Hurrem wants her to be a fairy tale princess, swallowing all hatred towards her and forgiving them after she becomes a queen. But it's real world and women like Mahidevran will never appreciate loyalty and consider kindness as a weakness nd will sting again when they have an opportunity. And it's not only about Suleiman's favour. It was ab out their own life and death. And children too.
Mustafa went to far by saying 'But you can't rule a woman', first that was a clear show of disrespect, Suleiman is his father and the Sultan, yet he dared to 'lecture' him like that?! Second, Mustafa was a hypocrite. He said his father was controled by Hurrem but he didn't realize he was also manipulated and controled by his mother fake stories, playing victims and tears.
Yeah he never realized until right before the end how deeply his mother manipulated him. The way she worked with his wife towards the end to deceive him quite literally lead to his death.
I really dislike mahidevran. All the things that she’s done to hurrem and doesn’t even think to realize that she’s one of the reasons why Hurrem acts the way she does. It’s all because of her. Then you go and manipulate your son. This was one of mustafa’s worse moments defending her when she was lying.
@@zahraalioua6560 She also did the same thing. She was not Suleiman's only concubine...her aggressive behaviour is unjustified because she did the same thing to Gulfem.
i dont understand why he doesnt just sit mustafa down and tell him that he witnessed the whole thing and that hurrem wasnt doing anything to mahidevran or that he has had proof that she tried to murder hurrem and hurt her. mustafa being manipulated by his evil mother is just sad and when he dies she will blame hurrem instead of herself.
The problem is that he’s the sultan. He doesn’t have to explain his decisions to anyone otherwise it would undermine his authority. That’s why he didn’t explain himself to Hatice when he executed Ibrahim.
@@lindaimelcha92 the sultan told hurrem off more than once when she crossed the line so no he wasnt under her influence and she wasnt a witch doing magic on him lol.
@@asaasura6901 Exactly. As a Sultan he could not entertain the disrespect of Mustafa's behavior. He even tried to warn him with compassion but he doubled down.
@@TJRhea Right? Mustafa was very naive and still thought that Suleiman was his father before being his ruler and unfortunately that was not the reality it was the reverse.
I can’t stand Mahidevran. It’s like she is the literal manifestation of a shocked pikachu. She tries the play the victim but she’s committed the crime before Hurrem
4:57 here we see how Hürrem charmed Suleyman! And before someone tell me that, everything was to survive, no! Everything to get the power which she wanted! Hürrem wanted to has Suleyman on her hands!
well, father and son are the same but in this case Suleyman acted as a sultan and not a husband: what happened to Hurrem was a clear challenge to the ruler's authority and Mustafa's behaviour was justified from a son's POV but not a prince's
Hurrem itu cerdas sekaligus bijaksana. Meskipun dia seorang sultana, dia masih bisa membela keadilan untuk bawahnya yg d perlakukan tidak adil. Dia jg tau batas dmn dia harus berhenti d hadapan Sulaiman. Karena itu Sulaiman sangat mencintainya!
I really do hate how they changed all of that in the show. In history, after Hurrem married Suleiman no member of the harem would EVER get away with treating her like that.
Ugh! Mustafa is stupid. His mom is the one crying in front of him. Hurrem only shares what happened to her while Sulieman was on campaign. All the murder attempts on Hurrem by Mahidevran and she is still in the palace?
Valide should have known better She has aged and she’s been through a lot yes but her son is married to Hurrem He is the Sultan now and she still acts like Mahidevran is her sons only woman How sad!
Un copil Mustafa,crescut cu dorințele mamei sale MAHIDREVAN,de a deveni sultan cu orice preț! Manipulat împotriva propriilor frați și chiar al sultanului Suleiman!
No one is innocent, but here Mahidevnan attacked Hurrem. And hearing this from Mustafa is doubly funny. He was manipulated all his life by his mother, and then by his wife. He is a fool for going to argue with the Sultan. He destroyed himself, and his mother helped
They mercilessly bullied, harassed and attacked her and she got NO justice whatsoever. But as soon as she does the same or fights back, then she's the problem? Where is the logic in that?
Hurrem has been beaten, burnt, slapped, bewitched, almost married off without consent, poisoned, humiliated, belittled and plotted against but how dare she defend herself 😀
Those comments are ridiculously..clearly they didn't see the series...hurrem was a horrible person ,Mustafa was a victim of his own conscious and good heart
@@judychaoui3587 or maybe you just like manipulative people, this doesn't change the things that she was horrible..the purpose of the series in turkey was actually also to show how manipulative was she ...and portraited her in a negative way ..and also in the History is known for her manipulative personality..🫠
No, it's about Mahidevran. What did you watch the series with?! Hurrem did not thirsty for the throne, she was loyal to the Sultan until the end of her life, her son took the throne, her daughter also survived. And Mahidevil lost everything because of her stupidity
@Euphorya_a Historical Hürrem was even stronger, more powerful, more influental, more intelligent and more strategic. One kind of a woman. The series downplays her might, and makes up drama and plots that didn't even exist, all the while gives more credit to the pea-sized and shallow, whiny and hypocritical Mahidevran.
So to summarize... Mahidevran ran into Hurrem's room without permission, knocking or any decent introduction, started attacking and insulting her, Hurrem told her to shut up (well I am not sultan's legal wife but if someone did that, I would be even tougher, maybe I would hit the person without saying anything) and then she threatened her, not to mention she even used her own child to threaten her, Hurrem just fought back, Mahidevran was going to hit her, Suleiman stopped her and wanted her to apologize (which is actually pretty valid) and she still feels like the victim and even lies to her son about it... Well, this scene just shows that it was Mahidevran's lies and manipulation that made Mustafa and Hurrem enemies. In my opinion, Mahidevran never truly loved Mustafa the way mother is supposed to love her child, he was her weapon, her source of power, which was pretty obvious, she even killed his first love (Elif), wanted to get rid of his child, tried to kill Helena etc. She never cared about his feelings, just his future because it was her future as well.
I said this from the beginning Mahidevran never truly loved Mustafa, instead she saw him as a weapon to get what she wanted and that power. Had she truly cared for her son, she would've never allowed him to get involved in her relationship with his father. She did exactly what Hurrem said she would do and that burn his finger as well.
oh this is not a summary but your narrative you forgot the part that hurrem set a spy on mustafa nora sho rdered her to manipulate him as she does with Suleiman and control his heart till she orders her to POISON mustafa as well, you forgot that part.
Yes, indeed. She was extremely egoistical, extremely self-centered. If she really cared about Mustafa's future she would do anything to make him closer to Suleiman, even if it meant to be away for her. But she wanted to be the first one, even if it meant damaging Mustafa's future. And she was dumb enough not to realize it.
The absolute hypocrisy of Mustafa lecturing Suleiman on being manipulated by a woman's crocodile tears when the whole reason he's there is because he was manipulated by his mothers tears.
Her manipulating him to go against his father for her was the first step to his downfall. Suleiman lost his trust in Mustafa because of how often he was willing to stand against him.
Hurrem was smart. She taught her children to respect their father. When Mihrimah stood up to Suleiman for her she was legitimately shocked, worried and then touched. Suleiman even said that he trusted Hurrem because she was the one woman who didn't want someone else on the throne.
Nah cause he was right wtf u won’t protect ur mother like this ? Tf
@TJRhea he never even once went against Syleiman ,Syleiman got only manipulated..and also scared how much Mustafa was loved ..the hurrem's children were never a threat for him..because they were never saw from the people and other like a possible future king . That's why for him there was nothing to be afraid for ..get your facts right..still also in the suleiman eyes mustafa was the only one worth for the rein..
@@mirandamarku7663 How you gone chack someone and be wrong at the same time. We're all watching the same show!!! Mustafa interjected himself into his father and mother relationship more than once. He thinks his mother is innocent but she has been manipulating him since he was a child. And yes Hurrem children were threats, Sultan Suleiman wanted Mehmed to be his successor.
@lovelydove8770 well from you comments we are clearly not seeing the same show 🙄..he protected his mother which was ok ,of course that he has to protect them ..did you see how many times hurrem tried to put Mustafa in traps ..and against Sylejman ,he neven once thought to go against him ..with all his support that he had he could have succeeded..Syleiman never said that Mehmet will be the next padishah..but in many series until the last season was assumed also from Syleiman that the next padishah will be Mustafa ..that why I said hurrem kids were never a threat for him no-one loved or supported them for the throne ..except Bajazid who were supported after Mustafa death ..so ✌️
Mustafa says Suleiman can't rule a woman when actually it's him who keeps being ruled by women throughout the wholw series. He is the one who keeps sacrificing himself in front of his mother's whining. First Mahidevran then Nora started ruling him and then mihirunnisa. When in contrary, Even though hurrem had a great influence on hurrem, he didn't let her get in his decisions regarding politics affairs and others that much. Sometimes hurrem tried to cross that limit of influence on him but he immediately showed hurrem her limits again.
Honestly I don't see why it should be bad thing if a woman can't be dominated or "ruled" by a man
These line was just peak misogyny 😂 and it shows how men in that time were afraid of women's natural power 😂
Also the reason why mustafa was ruled by her mother and other women is because it's simple
Men are protecters by nature and a woman's tears can easily manipulate them
U forgot to mention other women ..like valide,hatice,sha huban etc who ruled over mustafa😅basically he never used his own brains..if any
He was always happy being manipulated by others
Not at all fit to be the future sultan
An advice to shehzade if i were you i am gonna ask for money to buy tv and watch with my siblings
Suleyman's one look was enough for hatice to sit back down 😂
The weakness of mustafa was having a mother like mahidevran
@Euphorya_a Wrong.
Exactly. In the show, Mustafa was a beautiful prince however he was cursed to have a busy body, selfish and manipulative excuse for a mother. After her hand in the poisoning of Mehmet, I lost any respect or sympathy I had for her.
@Euphorya_a Can you not read? I specifically said the tv shows version of Prince Mustafa.
@Euphorya_a WE KNOW! If you read my original comment again, you'd see I'm not talking about the real life people. I'm talking about the characters in the tv show.
@Euphorya_a I am calm. 🤷🏻♀️
I suppose that's why your original comment to me is suddenly missing as well though.
I agree with your comments of the real life counterparts. Imagine having the chance to go back in time meet and interact with them...
I feel like people hate Hurrem because they want her to be a perfect victim and never fight back.
At this point in the story Hurrem has seen her family die, been kidnapped into slavery, been beaten, poisoned while pregnant, forced to kill her first love, terrorized, and burned. All while being insulted and talked down to.
I guess she's supposed to just be graceful through all this?
U effectively summerised it all in few lines👍it was no surprise that Hurrem became what she was towards the end of the series only because of all these evil ppl
This is in series in real life this is not true
Totally agree! Ppl who hare Hurrem wants her to be a fairy tale princess, swallowing all hatred towards her and forgiving them after she becomes a queen. But it's real world and women like Mahidevran will never appreciate loyalty and consider kindness as a weakness nd will sting again when they have an opportunity. And it's not only about Suleiman's favour. It was ab out their own life and death. And children too.
Mahidevran was the cause of her son's death..she with her crocodile tears drifted Mustafa from Suleiman
Hurrem is a great Queen. I love her.
Mustafa went to far by saying 'But you can't rule a woman', first that was a clear show of disrespect, Suleiman is his father and the Sultan, yet he dared to 'lecture' him like that?!
Second, Mustafa was a hypocrite. He said his father was controled by Hurrem but he didn't realize he was also manipulated and controled by his mother fake stories, playing victims and tears.
Yeah he never realized until right before the end how deeply his mother manipulated him. The way she worked with his wife towards the end to deceive him quite literally lead to his death.
I really dislike mahidevran. All the things that she’s done to hurrem and doesn’t even think to realize that she’s one of the reasons why Hurrem acts the way she does. It’s all because of her. Then you go and manipulate your son. This was one of mustafa’s worse moments defending her when she was lying.
What did you want her to do to tell take m'y man hhh😂
@@zahraalioua6560 I’m sorry but I don't understand your reply to me. I think your reply was for someone else. It's not correlating to what I wrote.
@@zahraalioua6560 She also did the same thing. She was not Suleiman's only concubine...her aggressive behaviour is unjustified because she did the same thing to Gulfem.
i dont understand why he doesnt just sit mustafa down and tell him that he witnessed the whole thing and that hurrem wasnt doing anything to mahidevran or that he has had proof that she tried to murder hurrem and hurt her. mustafa being manipulated by his evil mother is just sad and when he dies she will blame hurrem instead of herself.
The problem is that he’s the sultan. He doesn’t have to explain his decisions to anyone otherwise it would undermine his authority. That’s why he didn’t explain himself to Hatice when he executed Ibrahim.
If you want to take revenge on the mother, go ahead.Why should she exploit mustafa?Wasn't the king already under Hurrem's influence?
@@lindaimelcha92 the sultan told hurrem off more than once when she crossed the line so no he wasnt under her influence and she wasnt a witch doing magic on him lol.
@@asaasura6901 Exactly. As a Sultan he could not entertain the disrespect of Mustafa's behavior. He even tried to warn him with compassion but he doubled down.
@@TJRhea Right? Mustafa was very naive and still thought that Suleiman was his father before being his ruler and unfortunately that was not the reality it was the reverse.
I can’t stand Mahidevran. It’s like she is the literal manifestation of a shocked pikachu. She tries the play the victim but she’s committed the crime before Hurrem
The conflict between mustafa and sultan was due to mahidevran. In order to keep his mother happy he violated rules
And people praise him for standing up for his mother smh
He loves hurrem so much hahaha😂
4:57 here we see how Hürrem charmed Suleyman! And before someone tell me that, everything was to survive, no! Everything to get the power which she wanted! Hürrem wanted to has Suleyman on her hands!
2:25 you can sense the power o sultan lol. even haticd sultana understood the assignment
well, father and son are the same but in this case Suleyman acted as a sultan and not a husband: what happened to Hurrem was a clear challenge to the ruler's authority and Mustafa's behaviour was justified from a son's POV but not a prince's
Im amazed at just how much Mahidevran got away with.
Well said suleiman. Hurrem sultan is dynasty member now
11:59 here is where Mustafa started to die. (In the series)
9:05 The way hurrem warned her so many times but ppl still blames hurrem for Mustafas death 💀
Hurrem itu cerdas sekaligus bijaksana.
Meskipun dia seorang sultana, dia masih bisa membela keadilan untuk bawahnya yg d perlakukan tidak adil.
Dia jg tau batas dmn dia harus berhenti d hadapan Sulaiman. Karena itu Sulaiman sangat mencintainya!
2:32 I just paused the video and Ibrahim's expression 😂
Mustafa knew it very well his mother is guilty but still he supports her since she is always tearing 😞
no one is talking about hurrem setting trap for mustafa sending him a concubaine that will eventually try to poison him, ofc snakes defend snakes
How dare mahidevil talk to her like that and even raise her hand? Shes talking to a dynasty member, hurrem sultan.
XD chill
@@izas5768 iam
I really do hate how they changed all of that in the show. In history, after Hurrem married Suleiman no member of the harem would EVER get away with treating her like that.
@@izas5768 im
@iza s I am.
Mahi dug her own grave , her inability to control her anger and think clearly
Ugh! Mustafa is stupid. His mom is the one crying in front of him. Hurrem only shares what happened to her while Sulieman was on campaign. All the murder attempts on Hurrem by Mahidevran and she is still in the palace?
Happy birthday meryem
Hurrem❤
Happy birthady
Women kept as slaves, fighting with each other,a grandiose civilization
Mustafa watch your words. Hurrem sultan outranks you
Tfu hurrem hurrem hurrrrrrrem fans
@@izas5768 we tell the truth
No valide sultana or haseki is comparable to sehzade (heir) and the sultan
@@chomiczek_tusia9309 no they outrank the prince
He won't because he is spitting the fax
I feel bad for mustafa ,he dosen't deserved mahidevran as his mother
What a horrible family dinner!!!
Valide should have known better She has aged and she’s been through a lot yes but her son is married to Hurrem He is the Sultan now and she still acts like Mahidevran is her sons only woman How sad!
12:51
Mustafa haha, so true, so true ❤
No.
If mustafa were hurrem's son he would be more powerful because of hurrem's intellegence.
Un copil Mustafa,crescut cu dorințele mamei sale MAHIDREVAN,de a deveni sultan cu orice preț! Manipulat împotriva propriilor frați și chiar al sultanului Suleiman!
These comments are bananas! Hurrem is not innocent! There are many times I don’t like her manipulating behind! Mustafa has my whole respect!
She's not innocent but she also isn't a Saturday morning cartoon villain. She's the most complex character in the show.
No one is innocent, but here Mahidevnan attacked Hurrem. And hearing this from Mustafa is doubly funny. He was manipulated all his life by his mother, and then by his wife. He is a fool for going to argue with the Sultan. He destroyed himself, and his mother helped
How many years.was hurrem missing for
Five at least I think
Dub this serial in Telugu too please
I am watching the episodes in bits so can anyone explain what happen to hurrem's face here
So much trickery in this movie.all are nosy😂
Hurrem provokes everyone without discernment or distinction of their social class and looks down on everyone with his condescending and superior airs.
They started it; Hurrem has a right to fight back
How easily you forget the way they behaved towards her in the beginning
@@TimberlakeTigerGirl Was about to say, this is arguably one of the times where she has the _most_ reason to fight back in such a way.
They mercilessly bullied, harassed and attacked her and she got NO justice whatsoever. But as soon as she does the same or fights back, then she's the problem?
Where is the logic in that?
Hurrem has been beaten, burnt, slapped, bewitched, almost married off without consent, poisoned, humiliated, belittled and plotted against but how dare she defend herself 😀
Cat fight.
Those comments are ridiculously..clearly they didn't see the series...hurrem was a horrible person ,Mustafa was a victim of his own conscious and good heart
Hurrem was no angel.. but she was not horrible
@@jessiewhitman8688 she was ..the worst person, who saw the series knows that .....
I guess what we are watching is different from what you are watching 😂
@@judychaoui3587 or maybe you just like manipulative people, this doesn't change the things that she was horrible..the purpose of the series in turkey was actually also to show how manipulative was she ...and portraited her in a negative way ..and also in the History is known for her manipulative personality..🫠
Hurrem thirsty for throne and lost her children
True
No, it's about Mahidevran.
What did you watch the series with?! Hurrem did not thirsty for the throne, she was loyal to the Sultan until the end of her life, her son took the throne, her daughter also survived. And Mahidevil lost everything because of her stupidity
I really hate hurrem.
If she was alive, she'd hate you too😊
Why?
She is strong and survived all evil people. I love hurrem.
@Euphorya_a Historical Hürrem was even stronger, more powerful, more influental, more intelligent and more strategic. One kind of a woman. The series downplays her might, and makes up drama and plots that didn't even exist, all the while gives more credit to the pea-sized and shallow, whiny and hypocritical Mahidevran.
For defending herself?
The throne has blinded Hurrem Until he wanted to exploit Mustafa...Is this the so-called best queen?
You are really blind?
Hurrem only wanted to fight for Suleyman and for her kids. She was the best sultana and not droven into power
@@gabrielsusan-pf1xm you are blind too 😂😂😂
There's a lot more to it than that.